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"Clinton's takeover of DNC (Or let's rehash 2016 again) by Donna Braille ..."
Thu Nov-02-17 06:42 AM by PimpTrickGangstaClik

          

TLDR...The DNC was broke following Obama. Clinton team agreed to pay off debt and fund it in exchange for complete control of the party apparatus (long before she was the nominee). Donna Brazille finds this out when she takes over as interim DNC chair after Wasserman-Schlutz was cut). She seems to imply that the primary was stacked against Bernie Sanders.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774

Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC

When I was asked to run the Democratic Party after the Russians hacked our emails, I stumbled onto a shocking truth about the Clinton campaign.
By DONNA BRAZILE November 02, 2017
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Before I called Bernie Sanders, I lit a candle in my living room and put on some gospel music. I wanted to center myself for what I knew would be an emotional phone call.

I had promised Bernie when I took the helm of the Democratic National Committee after the convention that I would get to the bottom of whether Hillary Clinton’s team had rigged the nomination process, as a cache of emails stolen by Russian hackers and posted online had suggested. I’d had my suspicions from the moment I walked in the door of the DNC a month or so earlier, based on the leaked emails. But who knew if some of them might have been forged? I needed to have solid proof, and so did Bernie.


So I followed the money. My predecessor, Florida Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, had not been the most active chair in fundraising at a time when President Barack Obama’s neglect had left the party in significant debt. As Hillary’s campaign gained momentum, she resolved the party’s debt and put it on a starvation diet. It had become dependent on her campaign for survival, for which she expected to wield control of its operations.

Debbie was not a good manager. She hadn’t been very interested in controlling the party—she let Clinton’s headquarters in Brooklyn do as it desired so she didn’t have to inform the party officers how bad the situation was. How much control Brooklyn had and for how long was still something I had been trying to uncover for the last few weeks.

By September 7, the day I called Bernie, I had found my proof and it broke my heart.

***

The Saturday morning after the convention in July, I called Gary Gensler, the chief financial officer of Hillary’s campaign. He wasted no words. He told me the Democratic Party was broke and $2 million in debt.


“What?” I screamed. “I am an officer of the party and they’ve been telling us everything is fine and they were raising money with no problems.”

That wasn’t true, he said. Officials from Hillary’s campaign had taken a look at the DNC’s books. Obama left the party $24 million in debt—$15 million in bank debt and more than $8 million owed to vendors after the 2012 campaign and had been paying that off very slowly. Obama’s campaign was not scheduled to pay it off until 2016. Hillary for America (the campaign) and the Hillary Victory Fund (its joint fundraising vehicle with the DNC) had taken care of 80 percent of the remaining debt in 2016, about $10 million, and had placed the party on an allowance.

If I didn’t know about this, I assumed that none of the other officers knew about it, either. That was just Debbie’s way. In my experience she didn’t come to the officers of the DNC for advice and counsel. She seemed to make decisions on her own and let us know at the last minute what she had decided, as she had done when she told us about the hacking only minutes before the Washington Post broke the news.

On the phone Gary told me the DNC had needed a $2 million loan, which the campaign had arranged.

“No! That can’t be true!” I said. “The party cannot take out a loan without the unanimous agreement of all of the officers.”

“Gary, how did they do this without me knowing?” I asked. “I don’t know how Debbie relates to the officers,” Gary said. He described the party as fully under the control of Hillary’s campaign, which seemed to confirm the suspicions of the Bernie camp. The campaign had the DNC on life support, giving it money every month to meet its basic expenses, while the campaign was using the party as a fund-raising clearing house. Under FEC law, an individual can contribute a maximum of $2,700 directly to a presidential campaign. But the limits are much higher for contributions to state parties and a party’s national committee.

Individuals who had maxed out their $2,700 contribution limit to the campaign could write an additional check for $353,400 to the Hillary Victory Fund—that figure represented $10,000 to each of the thirty-two states’ parties who were part of the Victory Fund agreement—$320,000—and $33,400 to the DNC. The money would be deposited in the states first, and transferred to the DNC shortly after that. Money in the battleground states usually stayed in that state, but all the other states funneled that money directly to the DNC, which quickly transferred the money to Brooklyn.

“Wait,” I said. “That victory fund was supposed to be for whoever was the nominee, and the state party races. You’re telling me that Hillary has been controlling it since before she got the nomination?”

Gary said the campaign had to do it or the party would collapse.

“That was the deal that Robby struck with Debbie,” he explained, referring to campaign manager Robby Mook. “It was to sustain the DNC. We sent the party nearly $20 million from September until the convention, and more to prepare for the election.”

“What’s the burn rate, Gary?” I asked. “How much money do we need every month to fund the party?”

The burn rate was $3.5 million to $4 million a month, he said.

I gasped. I had a pretty good sense of the DNC’s operations after having served as interim chair five years earlier. Back then the monthly expenses were half that. What had happened? The party chair usually shrinks the staff between presidential election campaigns, but Debbie had chosen not to do that. She had stuck lots of consultants on the DNC payroll, and Obama’s consultants were being financed by the DNC, too.

When we hung up, I was livid. Not at Gary, but at this mess I had inherited. I knew that Debbie had outsourced a lot of the management of the party and had not been the greatest at fundraising. I would not be that kind of chair, even if I was only an interim chair. Did they think I would just be a surrogate for them, get on the road and rouse up the crowds? I was going to manage this party the best I could and try to make it better, even if Brooklyn did not like this. It would be weeks before I would fully understand the financial shenanigans that were keeping the party on life support.

***

Right around the time of the convention the leaked emails revealed Hillary’s campaign was grabbing money from the state parties for its own purposes, leaving the states with very little to support down-ballot races. A Politico story published on May 2, 2016, described the big fund-raising vehicle she had launched through the states the summer before, quoting a vow she had made to rebuild “the party from the ground up … when our state parties are strong, we win. That’s what will happen.”

Yet the states kept less than half of 1 percent of the $82 million they had amassed from the extravagant fund-raisers Hillary’s campaign was holding, just as Gary had described to me when he and I talked in August. When the Politico story described this arrangement as “essentially … money laundering” for the Clinton campaign, Hillary’s people were outraged at being accused of doing something shady. Bernie’s people were angry for their own reasons, saying this was part of a calculated strategy to throw the nomination to Hillary.

I wanted to believe Hillary, who made campaign finance reform part of her platform, but I had made this pledge to Bernie and did not want to disappoint him. I kept asking the party lawyers and the DNC staff to show me the agreements that the party had made for sharing the money they raised, but there was a lot of shuffling of feet and looking the other way.

When I got back from a vacation in Martha’s Vineyard I at last found the document that described it all: the Joint Fund-Raising Agreement between the DNC, the Hillary Victory Fund, and Hillary for America.

The agreement—signed by Amy Dacey, the former CEO of the DNC, and Robby Mook with a copy to Marc Elias—specified that in exchange for raising money and investing in the DNC, Hillary would control the party’s finances, strategy, and all the money raised. Her campaign had the right of refusal of who would be the party communications director, and it would make final decisions on all the other staff. The DNC also was required to consult with the campaign about all other staffing, budgeting, data, analytics, and mailings.

I had been wondering why it was that I couldn’t write a press release without passing it by Brooklyn. Well, here was the answer.

When the party chooses the nominee, the custom is that the candidate’s team starts to exercise more control over the party. If the party has an incumbent candidate, as was the case with Clinton in 1996 or Obama in 2012, this kind of arrangement is seamless because the party already is under the control of the president. When you have an open contest without an incumbent and competitive primaries, the party comes under the candidate’s control only after the nominee is certain. When I was manager of Gore’s campaign in 2000, we started inserting our people into the DNC in June. This victory fund agreement, however, had been signed in August 2015, just four months after Hillary announced her candidacy and nearly a year before she officially had the nomination.

I had tried to search out any other evidence of internal corruption that would show that the DNC was rigging the system to throw the primary to Hillary, but I could not find any in party affairs or among the staff. I had gone department by department, investigating individual conduct for evidence of skewed decisions, and I was happy to see that I had found none. Then I found this agreement.

The funding arrangement with HFA and the victory fund agreement was not illegal, but it sure looked unethical. If the fight had been fair, one campaign would not have control of the party before the voters had decided which one they wanted to lead. This was not a criminal act, but as I saw it, it compromised the party’s integrity.

***

I had to keep my promise to Bernie. I was in agony as I dialed him. Keeping this secret was against everything that I stood for, all that I valued as a woman and as a public servant.

“Hello, senator. I’ve completed my review of the DNC and I did find the cancer,” I said. “But I will not kill the patient.”

I discussed the fundraising agreement that each of the candidates had signed. Bernie was familiar with it, but he and his staff ignored it. They had their own way of raising money through small donations. I described how Hillary’s campaign had taken it another step.

I told Bernie I had found Hillary’s Joint Fundraising Agreement. I explained that the cancer was that she had exerted this control of the party long before she became its nominee. Had I known this, I never would have accepted the interim chair position, but here we were with only weeks before the election.

Bernie took this stoically. He did not yell or express outrage. Instead he asked me what I thought Hillary’s chances were. The polls were unanimous in her winning but what, he wanted to know, was my own assessment?

I had to be frank with him. I did not trust the polls, I said. I told him I had visited states around the country and I found a lack of enthusiasm for her everywhere. I was concerned about the Obama coalition and about millennials.

I urged Bernie to work as hard as he could to bring his supporters into the fold with Hillary, and to campaign with all the heart and hope he could muster. He might find some of her positions too centrist, and her coziness with the financial elites distasteful, but he knew and I knew that the alternative was a person who would put the very future of the country in peril. I knew he heard me. I knew he agreed with me, but I never in my life had felt so tiny and powerless as I did making that call.

When I hung up the call to Bernie, I started to cry, not out of guilt, but out of anger. We would go forward. We had to.

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it's a sewer.
Nov 02nd 2017
1
Lmao... is this her way of telling us the DNC is toast in 2018?
Nov 02nd 2017
2
RE: Clinton's takeover of DNC (Or let's rehash 2016 again) by Donna Brai...
Nov 02nd 2017
3
Shit feels like the GlobeTrotters and the Washington Generals
Nov 02nd 2017
4
      definitely been that way since at least 92
Nov 02nd 2017
5
There are no such thing as political consequences any more
Nov 02nd 2017
6
Interesting read
Nov 02nd 2017
7
basically dem party leadership would rather sell controversial books
Nov 02nd 2017
8
RE: basically dem party leadership would rather sell controversial books
Nov 02nd 2017
9
theyre acting like america aint sitting on the edge of a cliff right now...
Nov 02nd 2017
11
A boss that lost to Trump
Nov 02nd 2017
14
Exactly. She had the most $$$ ever & lost to the worst candidate ever.
Nov 02nd 2017
17
I'd have to disagree with Trump being the worst candidate ever
Nov 08th 2017
105
Trump became powerful because idiots underestimated him at every stage.
Nov 02nd 2017
23
      More like Hillary was a terrible candidate
Nov 02nd 2017
29
      homeboy just admitted Hil didn't/couldn't rally the base
Nov 02nd 2017
31
           stone her!
Nov 02nd 2017
32
           LMAO.. you had so many cool names for her as Prez
Nov 02nd 2017
34
           no I had campaign slogans.
Nov 02nd 2017
37
                lmao.. they were so on point!
Nov 02nd 2017
39
                     yes bc I'm great.
Nov 02nd 2017
40
                          Haha.. that’s a good one. Mighta got a few Trumpers with that insult
Nov 02nd 2017
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                               Like I said - I'm great
Nov 02nd 2017
43
                                    great...
Nov 02nd 2017
48
                                         Yeah we both voted for a loser.
Nov 02nd 2017
49
           yup, because that's the same
Nov 02nd 2017
45
                I cut right to the heart of the matter.
Nov 02nd 2017
51
                     yeah...you didn't.
Nov 02nd 2017
52
                          oh i don't expect you to agree.
Nov 02nd 2017
61
           All true
Nov 02nd 2017
35
           and these folks still in here talking down too..
Nov 02nd 2017
36
                Yep more of the same
Nov 02nd 2017
54
           She couldn't rally the base because Bernie turned the base against her.
Nov 02nd 2017
47
                https://i.imgur.com/ozokxE1.jpg
Nov 02nd 2017
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                lol Hilary is literally the only candidate to face a primary
Nov 02nd 2017
57
                     Everyone faces a primary. That's the point.
Nov 02nd 2017
59
                          Breh.. not like this
Nov 02nd 2017
64
                I wish you were joking...not everything is about Bernie
Nov 02nd 2017
55
                RE: I wish you were joking...not everything is about Bernie
Nov 02nd 2017
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                how about one alienating latin@s by saying deport kids?
Nov 02nd 2017
70
      i don't get how you could be so much of a realist
Nov 02nd 2017
63
           I never disputed that she lost.
Nov 02nd 2017
67
Oh, somebody didn't read well.
Nov 02nd 2017
18
      lol
Nov 02nd 2017
27
      BRUH.
Nov 02nd 2017
68
LMAO. Rs gonna win 18 and Trump gonna win 2020.
Nov 02nd 2017
10
Meh, not out of the realm of possibility
Nov 02nd 2017
12
I thought Dems like Change..
Nov 02nd 2017
21
      Nobody in power likes change in any situation.
Nov 02nd 2017
53
oh, totally.
Nov 02nd 2017
41
A ton of his base is going to die on the toilet before 2020
Nov 02nd 2017
44
      that's very optimistic and idealistic imo
Nov 02nd 2017
46
           ^
Nov 02nd 2017
56
I was never a fan of hers...
Nov 02nd 2017
13
she got caught red handed passing town hall questions
Nov 02nd 2017
16
I remember...every time she is interviewed she rubs me the wrong way
Nov 02nd 2017
19
      My wife calls her Eyezzuh Beezuhh
Nov 02nd 2017
20
How can yall hate on Donna Brazille....before all of this??
Nov 02nd 2017
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she phony...its all in her face..she the type that nobody trust her food
Nov 02nd 2017
30
      lol
Nov 02nd 2017
33
^^^sexist AND racist^^
Nov 03rd 2017
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She didn't talk about the part where she was sharing questions with
Nov 02nd 2017
15
She's talking about DNC collusion as if it had nothing to do with her......
Nov 02nd 2017
22
      it wasn't us it was them - Common
Nov 02nd 2017
25
Bernporn
Nov 02nd 2017
24
"When I got back from a vacation in Martha’s Vineyard"
Nov 02nd 2017
28
Here's whats gonna happen...
Nov 02nd 2017
38
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUgy44_hQk8#t=18s
Nov 02nd 2017
58
What was Barack doing to burn through that much cash?
Nov 02nd 2017
60
going to all 57 states and greasing palms?
Nov 02nd 2017
65
yo, the Clintons have killed the Democratic Party
Nov 02nd 2017
66
Nah... and I’m not a fan of the Clintons but I don’t agree
Nov 02nd 2017
69
In no way am I defending HRC, but thinking back on the election
Nov 03rd 2017
74
Thanks to namely California.
Nov 04th 2017
80
yep. and the Dems don't give 90 shits about individual state/local spots
Nov 03rd 2017
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      Doc! I'm tripping off of this
Nov 04th 2017
75
           Lol, that's quite an elaborate story you've cooked up.
Nov 04th 2017
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                Look, politically illogical science guy
Nov 04th 2017
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                     Look, politically uninformed conspiracy theorist.
Nov 05th 2017
83
                          Four Viral Claims Spread by Journalists on Twitter in the Last Week Alon...
Nov 05th 2017
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                               LOL, Greenwald. Perfect.
Nov 05th 2017
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                                    far left just as bad as the far right in a lot of instances.
Nov 07th 2017
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                                         Bruh, you're citing tweets in this post...tweets
Nov 07th 2017
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https://media.giphy.com/media/YnmEsq9ICSYQ8/giphy.gif
Nov 03rd 2017
73
Joy Ann Reid decimates the idea that any of this amounted to "rigging":
Nov 04th 2017
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She really destroyed some strawmen here lol
Nov 04th 2017
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      RIGHT. She constructed, and fucked up, multiple scarecrows
Nov 04th 2017
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      You have to cut her some slack...
Nov 05th 2017
84
Yeah Donna is BIG mad lol (swipe)
Nov 04th 2017
82
She has a reason to be mad if what she said is true
Nov 05th 2017
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*shrug* everybody wants 15 minutes to explain how it's not their fault
Nov 06th 2017
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      you see exactly why the dnc was such a shit show.
Nov 07th 2017
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           nah.. it was her too
Nov 07th 2017
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Can't wait for the Debbie Wasserman Shultz book
Nov 05th 2017
85
Go to hell.' I'm going to tell my story
Nov 06th 2017
90
uh oh
Nov 06th 2017
91
not that facts matter
Nov 07th 2017
92
gotta sling those books
Nov 07th 2017
95
"I found no evidence, none whatsoever" that Dem primaries were "rigged."
Nov 07th 2017
93
she didn't have to 'find' evidence
Nov 08th 2017
106
      superdelegates backed hillary over barack obama.
Nov 08th 2017
110
2 people who brokered her book deal worked for rumsfeld & mcconnell lol.
Nov 07th 2017
96
the stuff in the book true, or nah? relevant to the future or nah?
Nov 07th 2017
102
      ^^^ IDGAF if Putin published her book, deal with the content
Nov 07th 2017
103
“Kill the f— ing duck, goddammit!”
Nov 07th 2017
100
let’s just put our dicks out on the table and see who’s got the bigg...
Nov 07th 2017
101
AUTOPSY THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IN CRISIS (free DL)
Nov 08th 2017
104
lol dems are the party of big oil and guns?
Nov 08th 2017
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I could post links to NRA and big oil donations to HRC's campaign
Nov 08th 2017
108
      here i will post the links for you:
Nov 08th 2017
109
           Are you calling lobbyists employees?
Nov 08th 2017
111
                none of it bothers me.
Nov 08th 2017
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                yeah you did exactly what i thought you would.
Nov 08th 2017
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                     and jeff forbes was an *ex* lobbyist. left the job a year earlier.
Nov 08th 2017
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                     No, you said you said dems were the party of big oil and guns
Nov 08th 2017
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it's not a red and blue thing. then what is it?
Nov 08th 2017
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      $$$$$$$$$$
Nov 08th 2017
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      and?
Nov 08th 2017
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           cool. The VAST majority of your people have a completely different
Nov 08th 2017
116
                and who are my ppl, player?
Nov 08th 2017
117
                     You're a black male, in America, right?
Nov 08th 2017
118
                          sho nuff.
Nov 08th 2017
120
                               You asked. I answered.
Nov 08th 2017
125
      It's a...they don't really care about us (c) thang
Nov 08th 2017
119
           *yawns*
Nov 08th 2017
121

kayru99
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1. "it's a sewer."
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2. "Lmao... is this her way of telling us the DNC is toast in 2018?"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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MEAT
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3. "RE: Clinton's takeover of DNC (Or let's rehash 2016 again) by Donna Brai..."
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So Debbie was a shifty manager
Obama was a mooch
The Clintons were frugal self invested benefactors
Bernie was cool headed and wronged
And Donna was the only one that could see through the fog.

Oh. Ok.

Donna, you didn't do enough during your time at the helm and lost your gig
You sound like a white person trying to blame your inability to succeed on your predecessor.

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legsdiamond
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4. "Shit feels like the GlobeTrotters and the Washington Generals"
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and every 4 to 8 years the Dems and GOP change uniforms.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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5. "definitely been that way since at least 92"
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6. "There are no such thing as political consequences any more"
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Hillary supporters will say that she was doubly heroic here, bailing out the party with her own generosity and simultaneously running a campaign. Nothing meaningful will happen, particularly after Perez purged most dissenting lefties a couple weeks ago.

I don't think this is:

"The agreement—signed by Amy Dacey, the former CEO of the DNC, and Robby Mook with a copy to Marc Elias—specified that in exchange for raising money and investing in the DNC, Hillary would control the party’s finances, strategy, and all the money raised. Her campaign had the right of refusal of who would be the party communications director, and it would make final decisions on all the other staff. The DNC also was required to consult with the campaign about all other staffing, budgeting, data, analytics, and mailings."

... is an open or honest way of running a party, but what am I going to do? Change my registration?

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7. "Interesting read"
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8. "basically dem party leadership would rather sell controversial books"
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and perpetually live out the 2016 primary than heal wounds between two contentious factions and unite the party.

honestly...once you get past the headlines...hrc looks like a boss. she caught a lot of flack for doing fundraisers with big donors because bernie bros painted her as in the pockets of wall street and other special interests. turns out she was raising money for her campaign AND the dnc AND down ballot candidates AND obamas past debt.

  

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9. "RE: basically dem party leadership would rather sell controversial books"
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What it looks like to have a limited skill set and a relatively safe life.

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11. "theyre acting like america aint sitting on the edge of a cliff right now..."
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14. "A boss that lost to Trump"
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She is part of the not healing problem.

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17. "Exactly. She had the most $$$ ever & lost to the worst candidate ever."
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These niggas kill me.

  

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105. "I'd have to disagree with Trump being the worst candidate ever"
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he's probably the worst man....

Trump saw America for what it was and formed a whole campaign around highlighting that.

Like it or not, a lot of the people who celebrated excessively when Obama won the Presidency did not want to accept that America hadn't truly changed for the better. At no point did the left, or the country as a whole, deal with the right's growing intensity.

Trump, as a candidate, basically hacked (perhaps literally, through some accomplices) the process of campaigning and doubled down on his ability to dominate conversations and to hold to media's attention.

  

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23. "Trump became powerful because idiots underestimated him at every stage."
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Do you still not admit that he had, and still has, a rabid constituency? A minority of the electorate, yes, but more fervent than anything Hillary (yes), or Bernie (yes), ever could have mustered.

You don't have to be a statesman, or even particularly intelligent, to win a campaign, especially when you're the party out of power and don't have to justify anything. Trump ran on exploiting naive and racist voters, and that was a much more powerful weapon than anyone wants to admit. If you think lies about "Medicare for all" could have possibly won over lies about "Mexico will pay for it", you're deluding yourself.

Trump was a threat from the moment he decided to run, but people were too optimistic about America to admit it.

  

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29. "More like Hillary was a terrible candidate"
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>
>Do you still not admit that he had, and still has, a rabid
>constituency? A minority of the electorate, yes, but more
>fervent than anything Hillary (yes), or Bernie (yes), ever
>could have mustered.
>

You mean a rabid constituency that crossed over for Reagan(Reagan democrats), the first Bush, the second Bush (Soccer moms), and now Trump. We should blame the people who underestimated Trump that Hillary couldn't get white women to vote for her in the numbers she needed ?

>You don't have to be a statesman, or even particularly
>intelligent, to win a campaign, especially when you're the
>party out of power and don't have to justify anything. Trump
>ran on exploiting naive and racist voters, and that was a much
>more powerful weapon than anyone wants to admit. If you think
>lies about "Medicare for all" could have possibly won over
>lies about "Mexico will pay for it", you're deluding yourself.
>

It's her base. She didn't get her base out.

>Trump was a threat from the moment he decided to run, but
>people were too optimistic about America to admit it.
>

Yeah people did give America too much credit.

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31. "homeboy just admitted Hil didn't/couldn't rally the base"
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which is what a lot of us were worried about months and months before the election.

Not sure why certain folks can't just admit, all things considered, she wasn't a good candidate and her campaign may have been even worse.

Part of the party "moving forward" should be learning from mistakes.

  

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32. "stone her!"
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she's a loose woman!

a witch!

fuck you.

  

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34. "LMAO.. you had so many cool names for her as Prez"
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37. "no I had campaign slogans."
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Try to keep up.

fuck you.

  

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39. "lmao.. they were so on point! "
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40. "yes bc I'm great."
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They all addressed ppl like you.

My fave was 'Yes. Her. Stfu'

fuck you.

  

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42. "Haha.. that’s a good one. Mighta got a few Trumpers with that insult"
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43. "Like I said - I'm great"
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fuck you.

  

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48. "great..."
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AT BEING WRONG AS FUCK!!!

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49. "Yeah we both voted for a loser."
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So I guess that means we're losers.

fuck you.

  

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45. "yup, because that's the same"
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as what I/we said.

  

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51. "I cut right to the heart of the matter."
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I dug up under the pretense.

fuck you.

  

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52. "yeah...you didn't. "
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Granted I mostly lurk, but you seemed to chill on your whole "over-dramatic, condescending a$$hole" act for a while...what happened?


Anyway, saying (the obvious to most) that "Hilary wasn't a good candidate, she was clearly anointed, and the party should learn from their mistakes.." is not even close to the bullsh!t you accuse people of.

But, I guess believing what you do is somehow easier for you or something?

Or maybe its as simple as people pointing out what a terrible candidate she was just gets you too upset to think.


  

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61. "oh i don't expect you to agree."
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LOL

why would you?

but we can see it.

fuck you.

  

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35. "All true"
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>
>which is what a lot of us were worried about months and months
>before the election.
>
>Not sure why certain folks can't just admit, all things
>considered, she wasn't a good candidate and her campaign may
>have been even worse.
>
>Part of the party "moving forward" should be learning from
>mistakes.


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36. "and these folks still in here talking down too.."
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can't admit they got it all the way wrong.

and whats even scarier is folks are going to double down cause Trump is gonna be impeached.

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54. "Yep more of the same"
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They still saying it's Bernie's fault.

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47. "She couldn't rally the base because Bernie turned the base against her."
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Bernie would have failed to rally the center, and for that reason he would have lost the general by even more.

The base is supposed to be shored up automatically by party discipline. We're supposed to be prepared to look the other way when our candidates run to the center for the general election. Unfortunately we had a candidate in the primary who didn't care about party discipline and who tried to weaponize it to turn around a primary that he hadn't expected to win in the first place.

You keep saying "she just wasn't a good candidate" and you repeatedly fail to tell us IN WHAT WAY she was a bad candidate. You thought she was a bad candidate merely because Bernie repeatedly told you she was a bad candidate, with the same kinds of slimy insinuations that we eventually saw from Trump.

  

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50. "https://i.imgur.com/ozokxE1.jpg"
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https://i.imgur.com/ozokxE1.jpg

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57. "lol Hilary is literally the only candidate to face a primary"
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I guess?

Oh, and a 3rd party candidate. Can't forget that.


No candidate, prior to Hilary, had to go through a primary or face 3rd party opposition in their minds. It is literally insane.

  

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59. "Everyone faces a primary. That's the point."
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But it's supposed to go a hell of a lot cleaner than this one did. We're not supposed to have Democrats booing the candidate at the Democratic Convention.

Barack Obama faced a primary, and he won it, and every other candidate, including Hillary Clinton, fell in line and brought their voters into the fold of the broader party.

Bernie Sanders didn't even attempt that until after he'd repeatedly complained that the primary was rigged against him (which it wasn't, and even in this hit piece Donna openly admits that she didn't find a single action that was ever taken that could have biased the primary in Hillary's favor), that his 'movement' was a referendum on the Democratic party, and insinuated that if he's not the nominee the party can't be trusted.

Hillary didn't do any of that shit in 2008. She lost a fair primary, just like Bernie did in 2016, but she took it like a grownup and admitted that the party was bigger than her. Bernie STILL hasn't done that. He even recently went back on his word that he'd run for senate as a Democrat from now on. He doesn't care about party unity, because he doesn't care about the party. He cares about his image.

  

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64. "Breh.. not like this"
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55. "I wish you were joking...not everything is about Bernie"
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She wasn't a good candidate, because RIGHT OR WRONG, she is very disliked and distrusted.

That started long before Bernie, and will last long after he is gone.

And I thought she was a bad candidate long before Bernie ever got involved. A lot of us did.

Because, again RIGHT OR WRONG, the majority of Americans don't like or trust her.

Not to mention, I thought it was possible that a lot of Obama stans would not forgive/forget 08 primary.


I know you so badly want me, or anyone who is critial of Hil, to be a Bernie bro...but it just isn't the case.


To be clear, it doesn't really matter why she was disliked. I know you are going to go on a rant about how the right attacked her for years and people should know better.


K. People still don't like/trust her. Doesn't matter why.


I mean, I have talked to big Hilary supporters who can at least admit she isn't very well-liked...you are over here blaming that on Bernie.

Like Hilary was beloved in '14 or some sh!t.


And lastly, this Bernie nightmare you seem to keep having wouldn't have even existed if the Dems had actually ran a real primary.

The Dems left the door open for someone like Bernie by running a joke of a primary.

Had some other big players thrown their hat in the ring, Bernie wouldn't even be a topic of conversation.


Again, it took a self-described socialist and independent to even dare challenge her...because it was "her turn"


So, if you are still this upset over Bernie, be mad at the Dems for leaving room for him.




  

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62. "RE: I wish you were joking...not everything is about Bernie"
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>She wasn't a good candidate, because RIGHT OR WRONG, she is
>very disliked and distrusted.

But before she was smeared by the left, over positions that all serious candidates take, and tropes literally invented decades ago by the Republicans, she was (you'll find this shocking), no more disliked or distrusted than any other serious candidate.


>That started long before Bernie, and will last long after he
>is gone.
>
>And I thought she was a bad candidate long before Bernie ever
>got involved. A lot of us did.

I see no reason to believe that you were ever informed about politics, before, during, or after this race. So I don't see why we should care what you thought you saw coming.


>Because, again RIGHT OR WRONG, the majority of Americans don't
>like or trust her.
>
>Not to mention, I thought it was possible that a lot of Obama
>stans would not forgive/forget 08 primary.

Speaking as a proud Obama stan, who dropped Hillary like a lead weight when Obama announced in 2007: we forgave her. Because she fell in line, she supported the candidate, she convinced her supporters, honestly, that the party is more important than their feelings.


>I know you so badly want me, or anyone who is critial of Hil,
>to be a Bernie bro...but it just isn't the case.

Oh how badly I wish you weren't a Bernie Bro. I really do. But you are. You really are. It's not that you're specifically pushing for Bernie -- it would actually be better if you were, if you had something positive to call for than just the pointless "she's just a bad candidate and you should have known it" meme -- it's the Bro part. It's that you show no sign of actually having thought about the dynamics of a political campaign and yet you still just can't seem to fathom that your understanding is flawed in any way. You live in a bubble, and that's been your problem since the first post you ever made on this subject.


>To be clear, it doesn't really matter why she was disliked. I
>know you are going to go on a rant about how the right
>attacked her for years and people should know better.
>
>
>K. People still don't like/trust her. Doesn't matter why.

It DOES matter why if it was the undisciplined decisions of our own candidates that drove this narrative that "She's a bad candidate because she's disliked and she's disliked because she's a bad candidate." You keep saying we need to learn from our mistakes. I think the fact that so-called progressives gave so much credence to a guy who never cared one bit about amassing political power to progressive ends, is one of those mistakes we need to learn from.



>I mean, I have talked to big Hilary supporters who can at
>least admit she isn't very well-liked...you are over here
>blaming that on Bernie.
>
>Like Hilary was beloved in '14 or some sh!t.

Your inability to type curse words is so quaint. I know what you REALLY meant by "sh!t." In fact, I think we all know what that means. And we're SCANDALIZED that you'd say such a thing in such a genteel forum as this. Anyway...

>Like Hilary was beloved in '14 or some sh!t.

http://news.gallup.com/poll/187922/clinton-admired-woman-record-20th-time.aspx

Hillary was beloved in 2014, and in 2013, and in 2012. When she left the State Department, her approval rating was higher than Barack Obama's.


>And lastly, this Bernie nightmare you seem to keep having
>wouldn't have even existed if the Dems had actually ran a real
>primary.

There was a real primary. I voted in it. You voted in it. Your guy was never ahead, he was never even close. It was a fair race, and even Donna Brazile with all her vague red meat for the Bernie Bros couldn't come up with a single example of anything being stacked in Hillary's favor. Your man lost a real primary. And he lost it in the worst possible way.

>The Dems left the door open for someone like Bernie by running
>a joke of a primary.
>
>Had some other big players thrown their hat in the ring,
>Bernie wouldn't even be a topic of conversation.

If these other players had beaten her, they would have beaten her. And she would have fallen in line just like she did in 2008. If she had beaten these other "big players", then if they were good progressives, they would have fallen in line.

Nobody skipped the primary because it was "her turn." Are you actually so naive to think that any career politician would step aside from his or her life-long goal because it was somebody else's "turn"? Really? People didn't run because they didn't think they could beat her. Just like Bernie couldn't beat her.

  

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70. "how about one alienating latin@s by saying deport kids?"
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she pushed sending minors who are basically refugees back to possible harm or worse. that was absolutely obscene to anyone advocating for human rights.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/mar/09/bernie-s/sanders-said-clinton-backed-return-undocumented-ki/

  

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63. "i don't get how you could be so much of a realist"
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and not see, for real, she lost, like multiple times, and put the party in a weaker position than when she got involved.

  

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67. "I never disputed that she lost."
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So did Bernie, so did O'Malley. All the Democrats lost in the end as far as the presidential race is concerned.

And everybody who lost, lost for a long list of reasons.

As for her "leaving the party in a weaker place", that's possible. It certainly IS in a weaker place now than it was 8 years ago (though not to the extent a lot of reporters are claiming).

But she was never the only person determining the direction of the Democratic party. And I haven't seen anyone, even around here, make specific claims about what she did to contribute to this supposed decline. There are a lot of specific accusations for how Barack Obama contributed to it, and despite being a bigger stan for Barack Obama than for any other politician, I'll admit that some of those accusations are plausible (though many are overblown).

What shocks me is how people (especially around here) completely ignore the way that Bernie Sanders built his entire platform on undermining the Democratic party and the very idea of party discipline. He INTENTIONALLY weakened the party. That's what his movement was supposed to be about.

  

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18. "Oh, somebody didn't read well. "
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> turns out she was
>raising money for her campaign AND the dnc AND down ballot
>candidates AND obamas past debt.


Right around the time of the convention, the leaked emails revealed Hillary’s campaign was grabbing money from the state parties for its own purposes, leaving the states with very little to support down-ballot races. A Politico story published on May 2, 2016, described the big fund-raising vehicle she had launched through the states the summer before, quoting a vow she had made to rebuild “the party from the ground up … when our state parties are strong, we win. That’s what will happen.”

Yet the states kept less than half of 1 percent of the $82 million they had amassed from the extravagant fund-raisers Hillary’s campaign was holding, just as Gary had described to me when he and I talked in August.

  

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27. "lol"
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68. "BRUH."
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The party got wiped the fuck out on a state and national level. Lost all kinds of seats, on every level.
THE CLINTONS WERE SIPHONING PARTY MONEY FROM THE STATES TO HER CAMPAIGN COFFERS.

With the fuckery that's happening in state legislatures (The fuckery in NC? There's like 1 - ONE!!!! - abotion clinic in MS...), you think the lack of budget might have affected some of these races?

Man. MAN.

  

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10. "LMAO. Rs gonna win 18 and Trump gonna win 2020."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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12. "Meh, not out of the realm of possibility"
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But more likely they don't win as big, don't act upon having power, continue to look like a party of old white men, while representing a larger demographic and don't bring in any new recruits for local races.

With all of the people that have gotten involved since the election, they'd be better off attempting to co-opt that energy, but who likes change?

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21. "I thought Dems like Change.. "
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but they went back to the same old play book

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53. "Nobody in power likes change in any situation. "
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“There is no fate that cannot be surmounted by scorn.” -Albert Camus

  

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41. "oh, totally."
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Bc ppl are cesspools. Trump is gonna win reelection and Ivanka is next up. She'll be the first woman POTUS. She'll show us how to get a woman in the WH. But only for one term.

fuck you.

  

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44. "A ton of his base is going to die on the toilet before 2020"
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They've managed to put a young face on the Trump movement, but his base is a ton of Fox News grandpas. Since they seem allergic to policy proposals that people actually like, I think the Dem's best move between now and then is to trick them into eating even more terribly - call it the Chick Fil-A strategy.

Between the older generation's demographic collapse and the fact that they only way they've managed to win younger voters is blaming their unfuckability on the libs, this doesn't seem like a movement built on durability. The United States will remain horrible and vulnerable to fascist movements, but at least it won't be centered around a game show host forever.

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46. "that's very optimistic and idealistic imo"
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>>Between the older generation's demographic collapse and the fact that they only way they've managed to win younger voters is blaming their unfuckability on the libs, this doesn't seem like a movement built on durability.


i used to believe the same

but nah

it's not changing over the next 2-3 ys

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56. "^"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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13. "I was never a fan of hers..."
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that's all i got

oh and dems are stuck on stupid

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16. "she got caught red handed passing town hall questions"
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from roland martin to hrc during the primary.

and then she voluntarily did some dumb ass press run (even on fox news) where she stumbled and stuttered through interviews getting grilled about it.

its crazy that she was allowed to stay anywhere near the party after being exposed for cheating during a presidential campaign. or that she is still hovering around it today.

  

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19. "I remember...every time she is interviewed she rubs me the wrong way"
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nothing about her comes off as trustworthy imo
and she think everybody else is dumb

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20. "My wife calls her Eyezzuh Beezuhh"
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she sounds like a maid in a bad Disney slave movie


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26. "How can yall hate on Donna Brazille....before all of this??"
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>that's all i got
>
>oh and dems are stuck on stupid


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30. "she phony...its all in her face..she the type that nobody trust her food"
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at thanksgiving

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33. "lol"
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72. "^^^sexist AND racist^^"
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(c) Clinton 2016

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15. "She didn't talk about the part where she was sharing questions with"
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HRC.


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22. "She's talking about DNC collusion as if it had nothing to do with her......"
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When she literally colluded with Clinton herself by giving up questions lol

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25. "it wasn't us it was them - Common"
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24. "Bernporn"
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It'll sell a lot of books.

  

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28. ""When I got back from a vacation in Martha’s Vineyard""
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Is pretty much a meta DNC official statement to me.

Just completely oblivious to perception, etc.

"What could a banana cost Michael, ten dollars?"

She may as well have said "after we got done making fun of poor people and wondering to each other why on earth anyone would work 2 jobs, we got to business"


Did anyone really need an article, especially one so lacking in self-awareness, to tell them Hil took over the DNC and was anointed the candidate??

If it wasn't for an independent socialist in in seventies, her biggest competition would have been mother f*cking O'Mally


Oh Biden, Booker, etc didn't want to be president? word? How fortunate for her.

  

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38. "Here's whats gonna happen..."
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this is prolly what every Hilldawg "talk" started of with when she met with Biden, Booker, etc about if they were gonna run for Prez.

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58. "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUgy44_hQk8#t=18s"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUgy44_hQk8#t=18s

  

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60. "What was Barack doing to burn through that much cash?"
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and no one saying anything? Or was under Wasserman-Schultz, the party just that inept in fundraising, accounting, etc.?

Streets won't let me chill.

  

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65. "going to all 57 states and greasing palms?"
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66. "yo, the Clintons have killed the Democratic Party"
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That's like one of 5 or 6 major takeaways from this.
IDK WHAT the fuck y'all talking about above.
This is kinda huge.

  

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69. "Nah... and I’m not a fan of the Clintons but I don’t agree"
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Shit been slipping away from the Dems since Obama won.

When you get 3 million more votes and lose? Gotdamn that hurts.

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74. "In no way am I defending HRC, but thinking back on the election"
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as you pointed out, she won the popular vote

what surprises me, is that no one factors in the email hacks when talking about the Trumpster W

that is

kinda easy to Win, when you have the other team's playbook (c) Belicheat

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80. "Thanks to namely California."
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>When you get 3 million more votes and lose? Gotdamn that
>hurts.

Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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71. "yep. and the Dems don't give 90 shits about individual state/local spots"
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they don't already run.

I mean, fuck the Presidency.
but not really (b/c Supreme Court, Federal Courts)

but Dolt 45 and Co. would be less of a problem if so many states weren't being sold out by a bunch of bumbling buttfucks.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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75. "Doc! I'm tripping off of this"
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You look at what's happening on the state level due to Republican takeovers.
People only looking at the primary rigging...she used local party funding to run her campaign, and hundreds of local seats were lost as a result.
That's LITERALLY gonna lead to some fatal policies nationwide for some of the most vulnerable people in the country.
This is a fucking travesty

  

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76. "Lol, that's quite an elaborate story you've cooked up."
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It's almost as if someone is feeding you these ideas to make you less likely to vote in the future.

The Sanders campaign ALSO signed a joint fundraising agreement. They just never used it, because they were "raising their own money" outside of the Democratic party channels.

Note what this means: the Clinton campaign was supposedly able to use a campaign finance loophole to funnel SOME of the money they raised for downballot candidates back into their (GENERAL election) accounts.

The Sanders campaign couldn't do this, because they didn't exercise their jfa. More directly: they couldn't do this **because they didn't raise a penny for downballot Democratic races through their jfa**.

Has everyone forgotten this episode? It was a scandal, and yes, a Clinton talking point, late in the primary. Sanders eventually obfuscated it by doing separate joint fundraising agreements with like five hand-picked suitably-"progressive" campaigns. Meanwhile, while the Clinton campaign was purportedly able to funnel a subset of these funds back into their general election campaign, they nonetheless raised hundreds of millions of dollars for downballot races.

Sanders was the one who wasn't supporting downballot candidates.

  

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78. "Look, politically illogical science guy"
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I don't give a fuck about the Sanders shit.
To me, that's the lesser of all the stories in this.
Read the piece.
Don't focus on Sanders.
Remember the bloodletting of election night on the state and local level.
Try again.

  

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83. "Look, politically uninformed conspiracy theorist."
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You don't give a fuck about the Sanders shit because it completely undermines the point you thought you were making.

Even if we take everything Brazile says here at face value (which we shouldn't, because it's in direct conflict with the evidence that we have so far), it would still mean that you're expecting more of the Clinton campaign than you are of the Sanders campaign, or, by the way, the Obama 2012 campaign, which is purportedly where all of this started.

Yeah, election day didn't go as well as we'd like, downballot. But this isn't the first time. It was a similar story in 2014, and in 2012, and in 2010. It needs to be fixed, but we won't be able to fix it if we just misplace the blame wherever it makes us feel best.

  

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86. "Four Viral Claims Spread by Journalists on Twitter in the Last Week Alon..."
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Four Viral Claims Spread by Journalists on Twitter in the Last Week Alone That are False

https://theintercept.com/2017/11/05/four-viral-claims-spread-by-journalists-on-twitter-in-the-last-week-alone-that-are-false/

Might want to start checking out some more independent sources

Those talking points you're citing are false

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87. "LOL, Greenwald. Perfect."
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Next you'll be citing Alex Jones.

Some alternative sources are alternative for a reason.

Lol, do you see the kind of rhetorical knots he has to jump through to try to explain around the fact that the agreement *explicitly stipulates* that it only has to do with general election communications? Greenwald is even worse than I remember at preaching outside of his own sanctimonious and gullible choir.

  

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94. "far left just as bad as the far right in a lot of instances."
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98. "Bruh, you're citing tweets in this post...tweets "
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The documents are out there, if you care to read them for yourself

Spin, deflect, deny, attack the messenger (c) 45

DWS was HRC's campaign manager...yes?

But it was a level playing field, OkayPlayer

Care to disagree with the 4 points in the article I posted?

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73. "https://media.giphy.com/media/YnmEsq9ICSYQ8/giphy.gif"
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https://media.giphy.com/media/YnmEsq9ICSYQ8/giphy.gif

I'm so over #themocrats

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77. "Joy Ann Reid decimates the idea that any of this amounted to "rigging":"
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https://mobile.twitter.com/joyannreid/status/926329971588714496

One of many key points:

"Because again, how would an organization compel/force more people to vote for one candidate over the other?

"Perhaps if they had run a disinformation campaign against Sanders? Which is odd because there was one: that Russia ran against Clinton."

  

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79. "She really destroyed some strawmen here lol"
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81. "RIGHT. She constructed, and fucked up, multiple scarecrows"
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84. "You have to cut her some slack..."
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It's hard to keep up with the daily version of the moving "Bernie was robbed" conspiracy theory.

If by "rigged", people actually meant "nothing was actually done by the party that advantaged any one candidate over the others", then yeah, she stands corrected. But that's an odd usage of the term.

  

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82. "Yeah Donna is BIG mad lol (swipe)"
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I'm going to have to take what she has to say with a grain of salt. She sounds bitter as hell at the Clinton team. And it seems personal.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/brazile-i-considered-replacing-clinton-with-biden-as-2016-democratic-nominee/2017/11/04/f0b75418-bf4c-11e7-97d9-bdab5a0ab381_story.html?utm_term=.6b09b0ae2b2c

Donna Brazile: I considered replacing Clinton with Biden as 2016 Democratic nominee

Former Democratic National Committee head Donna Brazile writes in a new book that she seriously contemplated setting in motion a process to replace Hillary Clinton as the party’s 2016 presidential nominee with then-Vice President Biden in the aftermath of Clinton’s fainting spell, in part because Clinton’s campaign was “anemic” and had taken on “the odor of failure.”

In an explosive new memoir, Brazile details widespread dysfunction and dissension throughout the Democratic Party, including secret deliberations over using her powers as interim DNC chair to initiate the process of removing Clinton and running mate Sen. Tim Kaine (Va.) from the ticket after Clinton’s Sept. 11, 2016, collapse in New York City.

Brazile writes that she considered a dozen combinations to replace the nominees and settled on Biden and Sen. Cory Booker (N.J.), the duo she felt most certain would win over enough working-class voters to defeat Republican Donald Trump. But then, she writes, “I thought of Hillary, and all the women in the country who were so proud of and excited about her. I could not do this to them.”

Brazile paints a scathing portrait of Clinton as a well-intentioned, historic candidate whose campaign was badly mismanaged, took minority constituencies for granted and made blunders with “stiff” and “stupid” messages. The campaign was so lacking in passion for the candidate, she writes, that its New York headquarters felt like a sterile hospital ward where “someone had died.”

Brazile alleges that Clinton’s top aides routinely disrespected her and put the DNC on a “starvation diet,” depriving it of funding for voter turnout operations.

As one of her party’s most prominent black strategists, Brazile also recounts fiery disagreements with Clinton’s staffers — including a conference call in which she told three senior campaign officials, Charlie Baker, Marlon Marshall and Dennis Cheng, that she was being treated like a slave.

“I’m not Patsey the slave,” Brazile recalls telling them, a reference to the character played by Lupita Nyong’o in the film, “12 Years a Slave.” “Y’all keep whipping me and whipping me and you never give me any money or any way to do my damn job. I am not going to be your whipping girl!”

Cheng, the campaign’s national finance director, did not participate in this call, according to a senior Clinton campaign official.

Brazile’s book, titled “Hacks: The Inside Story of the Break-ins and Breakdowns that Put Donald Trump in the White House,” will be released Tuesday by Hachette Books. A copy of the 288-page book was obtained in advance by The Washington Post.

Former Clinton campaign officials strongly disputed some details in Brazile's account as well as her overall characterization of the campaign, and they disparaged her memoir as an effort to sell books and manufacture drama.

More than 100 former senior aides issued an open letter Saturday night reading, “We do not recognize the campaign she portrays in the book.

“We were shocked to learn the news that Donna Brazile actively considered overturning the will of the Democratic voters by attempting to replace Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine as the Democratic Presidential and Vice Presidential nominees,” the letter began. “It is particularly troubling and puzzling that she would seemingly buy into false Russian-fueled propaganda, spread by both the Russians and our opponent, about our candidate's health.”

Perhaps not since George Stephanopoulos wrote “All Too Human,” a 1999 memoir of his years working for former president Bill Clinton, has a political strategist penned such a blistering tell-all.

In it, Brazile reveals how fissures of race, gender and age tore at the heart of the operation — even as Clinton was campaigning on a message of inclusiveness and trying to assemble a rainbow coalition under the banner of “Stronger Together.”

A veteran operative and television pundit who had long served as DNC’s vice chair, Brazile abruptly and, she writes, reluctantly took over in July 2016 for chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz. The Florida congresswoman was ousted from the DNC on the eve of the party convention after WikiLeaks released stolen emails among her and her advisers that showed favoritism for Clinton during the competitive primaries.

Brazile describes her mounting anxiety about Russia’s theft of emails and other data from DNC servers, the slow process of discovering the full extent of the cyberattacks and the personal fallout. She likens the feeling to having rats in your basement: “You take measures to get rid of them, but knowing they are there, or have been there, means you never feel truly at peace.”

Brazile writes that she was haunted by the still-unsolved murder of DNC data staffer Seth Rich and feared for her own life, shutting the blinds to her office window so snipers could not see her and installing surveillance cameras at her home. She wonders whether Russians had placed a listening device in plants in the DNC executive suite.

At first, Brazile writes of the hacking, top Democratic officials were “encouraging us not to talk about it.” But she says a wake-up moment came when she visited the White House in August 2016, for President Obama’s 55th birthday party. National security adviser Susan E. Rice and former attorney general Eric H. Holder Jr. separately pulled her aside to urge her to take the Russian hacking seriously, which she did, she writes.

That fall, Brazile says she tried to persuade her Republican counterparts to agree to a joint statement condemning Russian interference but that they ignored her messages and calls.

Backstage at a debate, she writes, she approached Sean Spicer, then-chief strategist for the Republican National Committee, but “I could see his eyes dart away like this was the last thing he wanted to talk to me about.” She asked RNC Chairman Reince Priebus, too, but “I got that special D.C. frost where the person smiles when he sees you but immediately looks past you trying to find someone in the room to come right over and interrupt the conversation.”

There would be no joint statement.

The WikiLeaks releases included an email in which Brazile, a paid CNN contributor at the time, shared potential topics and questions for a CNN town hall in advance with the Clinton campaign. She claims in her book that she did not recall sending the email and could not find it in her computer archives. Nevertheless, she eventually admitted publicly to sending it, believing her reputation would have suffered regardless.

At the Oct. 19 debate in Las Vegas, with the email scandal simmering, the Clinton campaign sat Brazile not in the front row — where she had been at the previous debate — but in bleachers out of view of cameras. She recalls watching the debate with the Rev. Jesse Jackson, “among others whom they had to invite but wanted to tuck away.”

Brazile describes in wrenching detail Clinton’s bout with pneumonia. On Sept. 9, she saw the nominee backstage at a Manhattan gala and she seemed “wobbly on her feet” and had a “rattled cough.” Brazile recommended Clinton see an acupuncturist.

Two days later, Clinton collapsed as she left a Sept. 11 memorial service at Ground Zero in New York. Brazile blasts the campaign’s initial efforts to shroud details of her health as “shameful.”

Whenever Brazile got frustrated with Clinton’s aides, she writes, she would remind them that the DNC charter empowered her to initiate the replacement of the nominee. If a nominee became disabled, she explains, the party chair would oversee a complicated process of filling the vacancy that would include a meeting of the full DNC.

After Clinton’s fainting spell, some Democratic insiders were abuzz with talk of replacing her — and Brazile says she was giving it considerable thought.

The morning of Sept. 12, Brazile got a call from Biden’s chief of staff saying the vice president wanted to speak with her. She recalls thinking, “Gee, I wonder what he wanted to talk to me about?” Jeff Weaver, campaign manager for Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), called, too, to set up a call with his boss, and former Maryland governor Martin O’Malley sent her an email.

Brazile also was paid a surprise visit in her DNC office by Baker, who, she writes, was dispatched by the Clinton campaign “to make sure that Donna didn’t do anything crazy.”

“Again and again I thought about Joe Biden,” Brazile writes. But, she adds, “No matter my doubts and my fears about the election and Hillary as a candidate, I could not make good on that threat to replace her.”

Neither Baker nor any other senior campaign official were aware that Brazile had any thoughts about or actively contemplated changing the ticket, a senior Clinton campaign official said Saturday.

“Charlie may well have been there to talk her out of doing something crazy, but it certainly was not about this,” said the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the matter.

Brazile writes that she inherited a national party in disarray, in part because President Obama, Clinton and Wasserman Schultz were “three titanic egos” who had “stripped the party to a shell for their own purposes.”

Brazile writes that she inherited Wasserman Schultz’s office — with “tropical pink” walls that she found hard on the eyes — and “ridiculous” perks, such as a Chevrolet Tahoe with driver and a personal entourage that included an assistant known as a body woman.

In her first few days on the job, Brazile writes that she also discovered the DNC was $2 million in debt and that the payroll was stacked with “hangers-on and sycophants.” For instance, Wasserman Schultz kept two consulting firms — SKDKnickerbocker and Precision Strategies — each on $25,000-a-month retainers, and one of Obama’s pollsters was still being paid $180,000 a year.

“The outgoing president no longer needed to assess his approval ratings or his policy decisions, at least not when the Democratic Party was fighting for its survival against a hostile foreign power,” she writes.

Jen O'Malley-Dillon, a partner at Precision Strategies, defended her firm's work for the DNC. “We worked hard to get the party's technology, infrastructure and ground operations in shape for the general election, regardless of the nominee,” she wrote Saturday in an email. “There was no gravy train and we are proud of our work.”

Brazile also details how Clinton effectively took control of the DNC in August 2015, before the primaries began, with a joint fundraising agreement between the party and the Clinton campaign.

She said the deal gave Clinton control over the DNC’s finances, strategy and staff decisions — disadvantaging other candidates, including Sanders. “This was not a criminal act, but as I saw it, it compromised the party’s integrity,” she writes.

An excerpt of this chapter — titled “Bernie, I Found the Cancer” — was published Thursday in Politico, sparking discord and recriminations through the party.

As she traveled the country, Brazile writes, she detected an alarming lack of enthusiasm for Clinton. On black radio stations, few people defended the nominee. In Hispanic neighborhoods, the only Clinton signs she saw were at the campaign field offices.

But at headquarters in New York, the mood was one of “self-satisfaction and inevitability,” and Brazile’s early reports of trouble were dismissed with “a condescending tone.”

Brazile describes the 10th floor of Clinton’s Brooklyn headquarters, where senior staff worked: “Calm and antiseptic, like a hospital. It had that techno-hush, as if someone had died. I felt like I should whisper. Everybody’s fingers were on their keyboards, and no one was looking at anyone else. You half-expected to see someone in a lab coat walk by.”

During one visit, she writes, she thought of a question former Democratic congressman Tony Coelho used to ask her about campaigns: “Are the kids having sex? Are they having fun? If not, let’s create something to get that going, or otherwise we’re not going to win.”

“I didn’t sense much fun or in Brooklyn,” she deadpans.

Brazile writes that Clinton campaign manager Robby Mook and his lieutenants were so obsessed with voter data and predictive analytics that they “missed the big picture.”

“They knew how to size up voters not by meeting them and finding out what they cared about, what moved their hearts and stirred their souls, but by analyzing their habits,” she writes. “You might be able to persuade a handful of Real Simple magazine readers who drink gin and tonics to change their vote to Hillary, but you had not necessarily made them enthusiastic enough to want to get up off the couch and go to the polls.”

Brazile describes Mook, in his mid-30s, as overseeing a patriarchy. “They were all men in his inner circle,” she writes, adding: “He had this habit of nodding when you are talking, leaving you with the impression that he has listened to you, but then never seeming to follow up on what you thought you had agreed on.”

Many of Clinton’s senior staff were women, including Mook’s chief of staff, as well as campaign co-chair Huma Abedin.

Brazile’s criticisms were not reserved for Mook. After Clinton campaign communications director Jennifer Palmieri challenged Brazile’s plan for Kaine to deliver a pep talk to DNC staff at the party convention in Philadelphia, Brazile writes, “I was thinking, If that b---- ever does anything like that to me again, I’m gonna walk.”

Palmieri on Saturday disputed Brazile's account, tweeting: “Sad to learn she feels this way about me. Don't recall request she refers to.”

Brazile writes with particular disdain about Brandon Davis, a Mook protege who worked as a liaison between the DNC and the Clinton campaign. She describes him as a spy, saying he treated her like “a crazy, senile old auntie and couldn’t wait to tell all his friends the nutty things she said.”

In staff meetings, Brazile recalls, “Brandon often rolled his eyes as if I was the stupidest woman he’d ever had to endure on his climb to the top. He openly scoffed at me, snorting sometimes when I made an observation.”

Brazile opens her book by describing the painful days following Clinton’s defeat. She received calls of gratitude from party leaders but still felt slighted.

“I never heard from Hillary,” she writes. “I knew what I wanted to say to her and it was: I have nothing but respect for you being so brave and classy considering everything that went on. But in the weeks after the loss, every time I checked my phone thinking I might have missed her call, it wasn’t her.”

Finally, in February 2017, Clinton rang.

“This was chitchat, like I was talking to someone I didn’t know,” Brazile writes. “I know Hillary. I know she was being as sincere as possible, but I wanted something more from her.”

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88. "She has a reason to be mad if what she said is true"
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89. "*shrug* everybody wants 15 minutes to explain how it's not their fault"
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which actually explains what happened.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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97. "you see exactly why the dnc was such a shit show."
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and it wasnt hillary clinton.

  

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99. "nah.. it was her too"
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85. "Can't wait for the Debbie Wasserman Shultz book"
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about how she too blames the DNC and Hillary for making her the DNC fall guy. And how she was really for Bernie all along, but her hands were tied. And about that time the Clintons drowned her dog.

  

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90. "Go to hell.' I'm going to tell my story"
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/former-dnc-chair-donna-brazile-tells-critics-to-go-to-hell/

When asked to expand on her assessments that the primary elections were "rigged" in Clinton's favor, Brazile appeared to backtrack, saying she found "no evidence" of such rigging.

smh...


Brazile called the eventual hacking of the DNC "worse than Hurricane Katrina" for her in regard to the emotional toll it took, but said she wishes she had done more.


oh boy..

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91. "uh oh"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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92. "not that facts matter"
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But yeah she did she did give a whole lot to down ballot campaigns. Donna is looking like quite the liar in all of this.

https://tttthreads.com/thread/926249997376638976

plus where the money went: https://www.opensecrets.org/jfc/summary.php?id=C00586537

  

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95. "gotta sling those books "
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93. ""I found no evidence, none whatsoever" that Dem primaries were "rigged.""
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https://twitter.com/ThisWeekABC/status/927686297552130048

  

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106. "she didn't have to 'find' evidence"
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The whole point of superdelegates is to ensure that a certain crop of candidates get the nomination over some outsider.


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110. "superdelegates backed hillary over barack obama."
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even the congressional black caucus backed hillary over obama.

parties prefer their loyal soldiers/insiders.
that shouldnt be a newsflash.

obama eventually got more votes and won more states and superdelegates declared for him in the end.
bernie got less votes and won less states and superdelegates declared for the person that democratic voters nationwide overwhelmingly chose to represent them.

thats how rigging works?

  

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96. "2 people who brokered her book deal worked for rumsfeld & mcconnell lol."
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOAgFmrUEAAcFcF.jpg

if you thought the timing was a coincidence...

  

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102. "the stuff in the book true, or nah? relevant to the future or nah?"
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103. "^^^ IDGAF if Putin published her book, deal with the content "
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100. " “Kill the f— ing duck, goddammit!”"
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Hillary Clinton personally approved a plan to have demonstrators in Donald Duck costumes disrupt campaign rallies for Donald Trump — a stunt that triggered an angry confrontation between then Democratic National Committee chair Donna Brazile and the top lawyer for the Clinton campaign, according to Brazile’s new book, which is being published Tuesday.

Brazile writes that she became enraged at what she considered “the idiocy” of the Clinton Donald Duck project, concluding that it would confirm the Trump campaign’s contention that the Democrats were paying protesters to infiltrate the GOP candidate’s rallies.

She was later told, she writes, that the idea for the Donald Duck impersonators came from Clinton herself, who was assured by a friend that the idea was “a lot funnier” than an alternative proposal to have activists dressed as Uncle Sam trolling the Trump campaign.

Brazile writes that she told one of her top aides “Kill the damn duck!” after she learned that the Clinton campaign and the DNC were “using Donald Duck” at Trump campaign rallies. “Kill the f— ing duck, goddammit!”

The story of the duck dustup is one of the stranger incidents revealed by Brazile in her blistering, tell-all book: “Hacks: The Inside Story of the Break-ins and Breakdowns That Put Donald Trump in the White House.”
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yo.. Iont like ole girl but I'm starting to with the way she is talking in these excerpts..lol.

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101. "let’s just put our dicks out on the table and see who’s got the bigg..."
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/donna-brazile-says-she-faced-162827990.html

This feels like power and control. Gentlemen, let’s just put our dicks out on the table and see who’s got the bigger one, because I know mine is bigger than all of yours.”

this woman ain't give a fuck yo.. lmao.

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104. "AUTOPSY THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IN CRISIS (free DL)"
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https://democraticautopsy.org/

nope, not letting go of this

these idiots somehow think that turning states blue is the answer

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like Dems aint' been complicit in the fuckery all along

Big Oil $$$
Gun Lobby $$$
etc...
= it ain't a red and blue thing dummies

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107. "lol dems are the party of big oil and guns?"
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108. "I could post links to NRA and big oil donations to HRC's campaign"
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but that would devolve into another deflection from the point of my post now wouldn't it

both parties are full of shit and don't have our best interests in mind.

care to discuss? or read the link?

see --> 1.​ ​ ​Corporate​ ​Power​ ​and​ ​the​ ​Party

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109. "here i will post the links for you:"
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https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/industries?id=n00000019

https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/contributors?id=n00000019

point out anything related to oil or guns for me.

she has a solid f rating from the nra.
she has been pushing for gun control since the brady bill back in the 90s.
kinda weird for them to back a candidate that has been against them literally her entire political career.

i have a feeling youre gonna post links showing she got donations from *employees* of these industries. that was a misleading attack bernie used on her during the primary with grossly inflated total contribution amount including unrelated bundles.

  

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111. "Are you calling lobbyists employees?"
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Here's where those numbers came from

http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/campaign-updates/fossil-fuel-lobbyists-contributions-to-the-clinton-campaign/

Jeff Forbes is an NRA lobbyist and hosted a HRC fundraiser

can we move on now, or do want to continue last year's L?

care to deny the Goldman Sach's ties too?

I hope you get the point

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113. "none of it bothers me."
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*shrug*

fuck you.

  

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122. "yeah you did exactly what i thought you would."
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>can we move on now, or do want to continue last year's L?

you should be asking yourself that lol.

this was already hashed out during the primary (im not sure if you paid attention).

read the fine print at the bottom of the page you posted:
"Most hired lobbyists also lobby for other companies outside the fossil fuel industry."

the bernie campaign (along with their supporters at places like huffpost and the intercept) drug up every contribution by every lobbyist that worked at a firm that represented a fossil fuel company (along with other companies in different industries). this is intentionally misleading. then they reported the combined bundling amount to inflate the total amount of contributions. this is also misleading (your link even defines bundling and why it can be misleading).

if big oil wanted to really support clinton...they would have contributed to her campaign through an industry pac (which they didnt).

the funny part is...if you use those same logical acrobatics they used then you could conclude bernie took money from the fossil fuel industry too lol.

this was all covered last year:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/04/02/fact-checking-the-clinton-sanders-spat-over-big-oil-contributions/

as far as wall street...we already know about her history with wall street. or many dems history with wall street. but you said dems were the party of big oil and guns. which is laughable.

  

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123. "and jeff forbes was an *ex* lobbyist. left the job a year earlier."
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124. "No, you said you said dems were the party of big oil and guns"
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I said they take
Big Oil $$$
Gun Lobby $$$
ETC

ETC meaning they put corporate interests before ours

just like reps

which was the point I hope you would have gotten by now

but keep fighting on that hill

it's all yours.

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112. "it's not a red and blue thing. then what is it?"
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fuck you.

  

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114. "$$$$$$$$$$"
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115. "and?"
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there are 2 major parties. i ride w/the one that's most likely to either work in favor of my interests or least likely to actively work against my interests. pretty simple choice - red or blue. i ride w/blue for the above stated reasons.

fuck you.

  

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116. "cool. The VAST majority of your people have a completely different"
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set of interests tho.
A totally privatized government will work for you, in you opinion.
It won't for me, or anyone I know.
But, kudos for being honest

  

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117. "and who are my ppl, player?"
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huh?

fuck you.

  

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118. "You're a black male, in America, right? "
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Working class roots?
Queer?
MOST of the people in any of those demos get shitted on by the donor class to both parties as a part of their profit models.
Perdue Pharma ain't here for gov't regulated healthcare costs.
BUT, they got plenty blue and red statesmen in their pockets.
They rep your interests tho.
So, cool

  

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120. "sho nuff."
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like i said i ride w/the party that's least likely to actively work against my interests and most likely to work in favor of them.

don't add words to what i said, player. i talk good.

and i smrt enough to make an informed choice w/o regard for your snide comments about my choice. shit, who is you, anyway? LOL that i should give a fuck what you think about how i vote? LOL please.

fuck you.

  

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125. "You asked. I answered. "
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119. "It's a...they don't really care about us (c) thang"
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so ya'll are just going to keep debating the election from last year

there are facts out there

care to discuss?

from the link:

The​ ​Party’s​ ​Base
● Aggregated data and analysis show that policies, operations and campaign priorities of the
national Democratic Party undermined support and turnout from its base in the 2016 general
election. Since then, the Democratic leadership has done little to indicate that it is heeding key
lessons from the 2016 disaster.
● The Democratic National Committee and the party’s congressional leadership remain bent on
prioritizing the chase for elusive Republican voters over the Democratic base: especially people
of color, young people and working-class voters overall.
● After suffering from a falloff of turnout among people of color in the 2016 general election,
the party appears to be losing ground with its most reliable voting bloc, African-American
women. “The Democratic Party has experienced an 11 percent drop in support from black
women according to one survey, while the percentage of black women who said neither party
represents them went from 13 percent in 2016 to 21 percent in 2017.”
● One of the large groups with a voter-turnout issue is young people, “who encounter a toxic
combination of a depressed economic reality, GOP efforts at voter suppression, and anemic
messaging on the part of Democrats.”
● “Emerging sectors of the electorate are compelling the Democratic Party to come to terms
with adamant grassroots rejection of economic injustice, institutionalized racism, gender
inequality, environmental destruction and corporate domination. Siding with the people who
constitute the base isn't truly possible when party leaders seem to be afraid of them.”
● The DNC has refused to renounce, or commit to end, its undemocratic practices during the
2016 primary campaign that caused so much discord and distrust from many party activists and
voters among core constituencies.
● Working to defeat restrictions on voting rights is of enormous importance. Yet the
Democratic National Committee failed to make such work a DNC staffing priority.
3
Populism​ ​and​ ​Party​ ​Decline
● The Democratic Party’s claims of fighting for “working families” have been undermined by its
refusal to directly challenge corporate power, enabling Trump to masquerade as a champion of
the people. “Democrats will not win if they continue to bring a wonk knife to a populist
gunfight. Nor can Democratic leaders and operatives be seen as real allies of the working class if
they’re afraid to alienate big funders or to harm future job or consulting prospects.”
● “Since Obama’s victory in 2008, the Democratic Party has lost control of both houses of
Congress and more than 1,000 state legislative seats. The GOP now controls the governorship
as well as the entire legislature in 26 states, while Democrats exercise such control in only six
states…. Despite this Democratic decline, bold proposals with the national party’s imprint are
scarce.”
● “After a decade and a half of nonstop warfare, research data from voting patterns suggest
that the Clinton campaign’s hawkish stance was a political detriment in working-class
communities hard-hit by American casualties from deployments in Iraq and Afghanistan.”
● “Operating from a place of defensiveness and denial will not turn the party around. Neither
will status quo methodology.”

^^^your best interests in mind

dems gave us Trump.

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If you can't understand it without an explanation

you can't understand it with an explanation

  

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121. "*yawns*"
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so what should i do about all of that?

fuck you.

  

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