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"So Russia paid for BLM ads on Facebook during the election?!"


          

TF?!

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paid for bernie and jill stein ads too.
Sep 27th 2017
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Wow. Most articles I find on it are just fact-based.
Sep 27th 2017
2
Their goal wasn't to get Trump elected. It was a chaos campaign
Sep 27th 2017
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I doubt they had any pro-Clinton ads.
Sep 27th 2017
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russians clearly and actively worked to get trump elected.
Sep 27th 2017
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      RE: russians clearly and actively worked to get trump elected.
Sep 28th 2017
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      Agreed.....
Sep 28th 2017
9
           huh? white people hate BLM.
Sep 28th 2017
12
                So white people voted for Trump because of blm?
Sep 28th 2017
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                     Just one of many vehicles to get their base energized
Sep 28th 2017
16
                          It still doesn't make sense though.
Sep 28th 2017
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                               depends on what was in the meme or the post
Sep 28th 2017
29
                                    Right....
Sep 28th 2017
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                                         I'm not an expert but I think it's throwing shit at the FB wall
Oct 04th 2017
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Facegroup 'United muslims of America' was entirely Russian.
Sep 27th 2017
5
even if they did I'm not letting folks blame Russia for white racism
Sep 28th 2017
7
Wtf? can you just stay on topic for once?
Sep 28th 2017
13
they try to frame the narrative as if Russia 'made' people vote trump
Sep 28th 2017
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      gotcha.. wish you woulda led with that. lol
Sep 28th 2017
18
      trying to be less verbose lol
Sep 28th 2017
23
           nah, I just missed it. thanks for clarifying
Sep 28th 2017
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      hmmmm
Sep 28th 2017
26
      fingers crossed. I'd say it's definitely being used as a distraction
Sep 28th 2017
27
           I probably have to admit a huge bias.
Sep 28th 2017
46
      this is overlooking the clinton/dnc conspiracies and fake news.
Sep 28th 2017
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      It is hard to argue against it being enough to swing the election
Sep 28th 2017
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           theyre not mutually exclusive and everything is fluid.
Sep 28th 2017
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                Hmmmm....
Sep 28th 2017
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                oh yeah there was a clinton kill list lol.
Sep 28th 2017
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                Aight you got it. Don't gotta be bringing out algebraic terms and shit
Sep 29th 2017
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      i see it more of they identify what is exploitable and polarizing
Sep 28th 2017
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      Russia picked up on Trump's race-baiting and ran with it.
Sep 29th 2017
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pretty much....idk why people even entertain anything other than this
Sep 28th 2017
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I tried to warn all of you a long time ago
Sep 28th 2017
10
Interesting video.
Sep 28th 2017
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Russia doesn't invent issues
Sep 28th 2017
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They did the same thing in Ukraine before invading
Sep 28th 2017
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yep
Sep 28th 2017
20
there is NO UNITY with people who don't want to unite with you
Sep 28th 2017
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sidenote: repubs officially embrace fake news as campaign protocol now
Sep 28th 2017
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      Try this one weird trick to become president!
Sep 28th 2017
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           lol exactly.
Sep 28th 2017
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# of Stein votes/Trump Margin
Sep 28th 2017
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don't fall for the okie doke
Sep 28th 2017
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I'm not falling for any okie dokie, those are the numbers
Sep 28th 2017
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given voter turnout numbers, yes it is crazy
Sep 28th 2017
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      fair enough
Sep 28th 2017
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           i think it's both being anti-establishment and liking her ideas the most
Sep 28th 2017
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the dems biggest sin was putting up a candidate under fbi investigation.
Sep 29th 2017
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      She could have had a spotless record
Sep 29th 2017
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      i really thought the email thing would be a 3 day story at most
Sep 29th 2017
59
the more important/direct issue is voter suppression.
Sep 28th 2017
32
this is true and dems should be going crazy trying to make this right
Sep 28th 2017
35
      the aclu is embarking on a nationwide proactive voting rights campaign.
Sep 28th 2017
37
           Damn Reeq
Sep 28th 2017
45
                no prob at all.
Sep 28th 2017
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                     I'm not too proud to admit it.
Sep 28th 2017
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there's no way to determine if those would be clinton voters
Sep 28th 2017
33
all true *but* stein was intentionally used as a pawn for a reason.
Sep 28th 2017
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      her ad spots were infuriating
Sep 29th 2017
55
3rd party voters are wild cards
Sep 28th 2017
38
Russian-linked Facebook ads targeted Michigan and Wisconsin
Oct 03rd 2017
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Facebook and Twitter are going to catch a lot of shit
Oct 03rd 2017
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Remember when Facebook and Uber formed a partnership?
Oct 03rd 2017
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      yep
Oct 04th 2017
75
Is this the same Michigan and Wisconsin that the "worstest candidate eva...
Oct 04th 2017
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Here's what I don't get about this collusion biz. What's the motive?
Oct 04th 2017
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Maybe Russia had the geeks and Trump didn't.
Oct 04th 2017
66
Seriously? Oil and sanctions.
Oct 04th 2017
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I'm talking about motive from Trump's side
Oct 04th 2017
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      He's broke, swimming in debt, and has always needed money.
Oct 04th 2017
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           Lol. FB ads are cheap
Oct 04th 2017
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                That's not how deals work though.
Oct 04th 2017
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                RE: Lol. FB ads are cheap
Oct 04th 2017
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                Cambridge Analytica
Oct 04th 2017
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                     I'm saying....they were already doing this stuff.
Oct 04th 2017
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                          RE: I'm saying....they were already doing this stuff.
Oct 04th 2017
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                               they also created thousands of fake accounts
Oct 04th 2017
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                               Also correct. Bot nets drive and test algorithms.
Oct 04th 2017
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                               Okay. This I can buy
Oct 04th 2017
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                               and if I want to buy ads for fake news
Oct 04th 2017
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my take... the Russians were going to smear Hillary anyway
Oct 04th 2017
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      Your take omits the effectivness of targeting local elections
Oct 04th 2017
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           Trump's campaign was thinking "enemy of my enemy is my friend"
Oct 06th 2017
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                Russia has been doing this forever
Oct 06th 2017
93
Some Russian teenager > Robby Mook
Oct 04th 2017
73
Facebook fought hard to keep election adds anonymous
Oct 04th 2017
72
Facebook working with Kaspersky
Oct 04th 2017
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RE: So Russia paid for BLM ads on Facebook during the election?!
Oct 04th 2017
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Russia propaganda shared hundreds of millions of times
Oct 05th 2017
88
interesting twitter thread
Oct 05th 2017
89
big boy tech bros have been unregulated for da longest
Oct 05th 2017
90
Facebook cut Russia out of report on election influence
Oct 05th 2017
91
Russian-linked group sold merchandise online
Oct 06th 2017
94
Google uncovers Russian-bought ads on YouTube, Gmail and other platforms
Oct 09th 2017
95
House Intelligence Committee says it will release the Russian-bought Fac...
Oct 11th 2017
96
How the Russians pretended to be Texans — and Texans believed them
Oct 17th 2017
97
'Our pain for their gain': the American activists manipulated by Russian...
Oct 21st 2017
98
has anyone gotten a notification for a friend suggestion?
Oct 24th 2017
99

Reeq
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1. "paid for bernie and jill stein ads too."
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its almost like they were trying to sow division on the left in an attempt to keep clinton from being elected.

hmmm...

  

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2. "Wow. Most articles I find on it are just fact-based."
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Wed Sep-27-17 10:01 PM by denny

          

Not much analysis out there yet. This was the best I could find:

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/09/the-branching-possibilities-of-the-facebook-russian-ad-buy/541002/

So the Russians paid for several contradicting agendas. Some pro-Trump, some pro-Bernie, some pro-blm, some pro guns-rights.

There is only one common underlying theme between the ads they paid for....and that's to support anything that they perceive is a threat to western democracies. They were basically encouraging the growing polarization of western politics. This should serve as proof that the Russians at least PERCEIVE the alt-right, the ctrl-left, identity politics and critical theory as being potentially harmful to our society.

Not really related.....but there's a great documentary series on Netflix called 'Outside Man' done by a British cat named Reggie Yates. Not sure what his claim to fame is but he does really good work. There's three one-hour episodes on racism in Russia that are pretty eye-opening.

  

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3. "Their goal wasn't to get Trump elected. It was a chaos campaign"
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Wed Sep-27-17 10:06 PM by PimpTrickGangstaClik

          

Russia was shocked when he won. They assumed Clinton would win and they were trying to preemptively weaken her with confusion and chaos.

I wouldn't be surprised if generated some crazy pro-Clinton fake news too

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4. "I doubt they had any pro-Clinton ads."
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I can't see how that would contribute to the chaos. I think they're identifying the political movements that present a threat to the idealogical foundations of western democracy...and they co-sign/encourage them. So I think they were more selective than you're suggesting.

  

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6. "russians clearly and actively worked to get trump elected. "
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that may not have been their *sole* goal. but it was their highest priority.

it wasnt just a campaign of chaos and destabilization. they had their preferred candidate and supported him.

they installed campaign manager paul manafort who was routinely paid to lobby for pro-russia groups and push a pro-russia agenda. he helped get pro-russia ukrainian president viktor yanukovyc elected. he had a specific purpose here as well.

along with the dnc and john podesta...russians hacked the marco rubio campaign early on (they saw him as the most likely primary opponent to trump).

they specifically used wikileaks, a (now) pro-russian proxy, to disseminate damaging information on clinton (and even some downballot dems). wikileaks is basically a pr service for russia now and doesnt even hide it.

they installed michael flynn as a campaign adviser. flynn did consultant work for russian intelligence. he did speaking engagements for russian propaganda outlet rt. he was cozy with russia and wanted to push for a us-russia realignment.

rob goldstones emails to donald trump jr literally said "this is part of russia and its governments support for mr. trump" when setting up a meeting between the trump campaign and russian operatives lol.

carter page, sessions/kislyak, mayflower hotel meeting/speech and so on and on. russia clearly hitched itself to the trump wagon and did what it could to bring him (specifically) across the finish line.



  

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8. "RE: russians clearly and actively worked to get trump elected. "
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>that may not have been their *sole* goal. but it was their
>highest priority.
>
>it wasnt just a campaign of chaos and destabilization. they
>had their preferred candidate and supported him.
>
>they installed campaign manager paul manafort who was
>routinely paid to lobby for pro-russia groups and push a
>pro-russia agenda. he helped get pro-russia ukrainian
>president viktor yanukovyc elected. he had a specific purpose
>here as well.
>
>along with the dnc and john podesta...russians hacked the
>marco rubio campaign early on (they saw him as the most likely
>primary opponent to trump).
>
>they specifically used wikileaks, a (now) pro-russian proxy,
>to disseminate damaging information on clinton (and even some
>downballot dems). wikileaks is basically a pr service for
>russia now and doesnt even hide it.
>
>they installed michael flynn as a campaign adviser. flynn did
>consultant work for russian intelligence. he did speaking
>engagements for russian propaganda outlet rt. he was cozy
>with russia and wanted to push for a us-russia realignment.
>
>
>rob goldstones emails to donald trump jr literally said "this
>is part of russia and its governments support for mr. trump"
>when setting up a meeting between the trump campaign and
>russian operatives lol.
>
>carter page, sessions/kislyak, mayflower hotel meeting/speech
>and so on and on. russia clearly hitched itself to the trump
>wagon and did what it could to bring him (specifically) across
>the finish line.



Yeah....there's too much smoke.....^^^^^

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9. "Agreed....."
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Thu Sep-28-17 06:48 AM by denny

          

But it's a little murky to me how the Russians thought BLM ads and 'muslims of america' ads would help Trump though. Any ideas?

I guess we could say that by advocating for far left groups they thought they could lessen Clinton's support with the radical left?

  

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12. "huh? white people hate BLM."
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it's pretty simple.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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15. "So white people voted for Trump because of blm?"
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The more visible BLM became...the greater chance Trump had of victory? I'm not sure it's that simple.

  

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16. "Just one of many vehicles to get their base energized"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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28. "It still doesn't make sense though."
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So assuming that the Russians think that blm presence on facebook has a positive correlation with Trump support.....how does adding a few memes to social media have an impact on BLM presence? I'm wondering if my lack of familiarity with social media formats might be making me misunderstand something. Say there's 1000 BLM memes circulating the internet on a given week. How does Russian intel adding 4 or 5 more make any worthwhile impact on their goal of increasing it's presence. Isn't it a drop in the bucket?

  

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29. "depends on what was in the meme or the post"
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if they post one and it doesn't do numbers then sure..

but if they post one and it's circulated millions of times?

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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30. "Right...."
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Thu Sep-28-17 01:12 PM by denny

          

So it's not the net volume of memes that constitute 'presence'. It's the amount of shares or likes or views/clicks that they get individually. So one meme can potentially be more powerful than 1000.

OKP is the extent of my social media use so there's probably some basic things I don't get.

  

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86. "I'm not an expert but I think it's throwing shit at the FB wall"
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and seeing what sticks.

Analytics and big data is crazy.

FB can target ads so specific to certain age groups in certain locations then after a few days you check the data and tweak the ad dollars to whatever works best to get the best bang for your buck.

It's scary how effective it is.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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5. "Facegroup 'United muslims of America' was entirely Russian."
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Damn. This shit is crazy:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/exclusive-russians-impersonated-real-american-muslims-to-stir-chaos-on-facebook-and-instagram

  

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7. "even if they did I'm not letting folks blame Russia for white racism "
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If the fire had been put out in the first place there wouldn't be anything to stoke

  

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13. "Wtf? can you just stay on topic for once? "
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The fuck does racism have to do with this topic bruh?

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17. "they try to frame the narrative as if Russia 'made' people vote trump"
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Thu Sep-28-17 08:59 AM by Atillah Moor

  

          

or somehow "made" or "heavily influenced" people to not vote Hillary. When the truth looks way more like mostly white men and women as a result of their race and xenophobic fueled anger/fear voted Trump because they felt just like he spoke and always have.

You can't ignore the strong racial and anti-muslim overtones of this election which would have been just as potent without Russian involvement. If any.

  

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18. "gotcha.. wish you woulda led with that. lol"
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23. "trying to be less verbose lol"
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it's a work in progress

  

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24. "nah, I just missed it. thanks for clarifying"
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26. "hmmmm"
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I don't think there's very many people who actually think the Russians are why Trump won. To be honest....the only slight consideration I have and that I'm still not ruling out is actual vote manipulation...hacking the election data. Or at least....it wouldn't shock me. One thing's for sure...if it was an option than Trump's guilty. Ain't tryin' if y'aint cheatin'.

But for the large majority....the Russian involvement is not about giving them credit for Trump's win. It's about impeaching him. That's the ultimate focus. If I'm reading you correctly...you sense alot of people are motivated by a 'this proves America is not racist' type of thing? I didn't think that was a factor but I see your point. No doubt that we'll see alot less conversation about how race played a role in his election if he's found guilty of a serious transgression.

Whether or not Russian involvement was a significant factor in the outcome is completely irrelevant. I don't know what legal jargon applies here....but it could potentially constitute treason or violation of the Emoluments Clause (his overseas businesses) or obstruction of justice or whatever the hell he might be guilty of. How bout all three? A boy can dream.

  

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27. "fingers crossed. I'd say it's definitely being used as a distraction "
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Thu Sep-28-17 10:25 AM by Atillah Moor

  

          

from the racial aspects and not saying it shouldn't be investigated, but at the same time I at least keep in mind that if this is what they do over here what are we doing over there?

lol for all we know Snowden could be an inception like plant *joking* but...

  

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46. "I probably have to admit a huge bias."
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I just want this madman dethroned so that his threat to global stability is secured. So the relevance of any transgression he may be guilty of doesn't matter to me. I don't care if any offense he committed actually worked. It matters that he intentionally did the crime.

  

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39. "this is overlooking the clinton/dnc conspiracies and fake news."
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which was the bulk of the focus of russian social media ads targeting those rust belt states. russian fake news sites (along with usual russian propaganda sites rt and sputnik) gamed google news algorithms and routinely showed up among the top 3 headlines above web searches.

prolly not as impactful as good ol hardcoded american racism but def enough to swing a close race. ive seen white people talk about family members who believed some ol crazy shit about hillary clinton that they saw on their facebook feed.

what is being under-reported (but starting to come to light more) is the role sinclair broadcasting played in those markets too. they control several local news affiliates in swing states. and they made sure each affiliate ran pro-trump and anti-hillary news spots during the campaign. the majority of voters still get their election coverage from local news.

  

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42. "It is hard to argue against it being enough to swing the election"
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But until I see better from this country I'm not giving the benefit of my doubt.

Reconstruction ended just because white people on both sides said fuck it and fuck them when they saw black people changing the system and for the better e.g. the public school system which public schools don't even teach (the reason for their existence) to students.

Given that I don't see why it wouldn't be the case that after having had a black president with a Muslim name putting black folks in high level positions and creating some positive changes wouldn't have a similar effect given that Americas racism has barely changed if at all. Russian interference wouldn't really impact that imo.

  

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48. "theyre not mutually exclusive and everything is fluid."
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they both played a part and there was most likely a lot of overlap (a person susceptible to one would be susceptible to the other).

racism/xenophobia was prolly a *bigger* factor but if we are debating which one was the *decisive* factor...let me provide this counterpoint.

racism and xenophobia have been a constant in american politics. i dont think it would be accurate to say america was more racist in 2016 than it was in 2008 and 2012. yet obama carried those 3 pivotal rust belt states (and ohio by at least 3 points in either election) for 2 straight cycles. the 'racist backlash against a black president' theory doesnt account for the fact obama put up the 2 highest vote totals in american history (at those times) and left office with a high approval rating. the question isnt necessarily 'what happened' as much as it is 'what changed'.

even tho trumps racist demagoguery (and the accompanying online propaganda) may have done a lot to stoke his base...we cant conclusively say it dramatically/dynamically changed much for this election aside from it being more out in the open.

trump won the same share of the white vote as mitt romney (and clinton still won the white working class despite the popular narrative). trumps 'populism' just earned him a greater share of white voters with a high school education or less. and democrats didnt vote in the same numbers as the obama years.

there were a lot of factors for the depressed clinton vote. but let me put it like this....

if 3 or 4 sentences in one email can generate a pedophile conspiracy influential enough to make a man drive several states up the coast and risk incarceration to 'self-investigate' a pizza shop with an assault rifle...it can definitely sway some people to not vote for clinton. now multiply that by all of the other conspiracies and fake news attacks on clinton over the course of an entire campaign.

so even tho racism may have been the larger quantity...it may have been more of a constant than a variable. the russian/right wing disinformation campaign could have easily been the delta.

  

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53. "Hmmmm...."
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I remember there was a whole 'Hillary Clinton is a murderer' story (I think it was about South American political dissidents) that I ignored because it didn't pass the conspiracy theory sniff-test. If memory serves the term 'serial killer' was also used. I'm sure others will remember it because there were a few posts about it and I saw it in other social media. I wonder what the chances are that the Russians sourced that story too.

  

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54. "oh yeah there was a clinton kill list lol."
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like 30 people associated with the clintons who died mysterious deaths and were possibly murdered by the clinton crime family (the seth rich conspiracy piggybacked off that).

and mad people def believed it.

iono if russia started any of these...but they def worked in tandem (directly or indirectly) with certain subreddits, 4chan, infowars, etc to perpetuate and amplify all of them.

  

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60. "Aight you got it. Don't gotta be bringing out algebraic terms and shit"
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44. "i see it more of they identify what is exploitable and polarizing"
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57. "Russia picked up on Trump's race-baiting and ran with it."
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They figured out that was driving Trump's base and they amped it up.

fuck you.

  

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21. "pretty much....idk why people even entertain anything other than this"
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people are simple

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10. "I tried to warn all of you a long time ago"
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*Tips Tin Foil hat*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeMZGGQ0ERk

Good luck

Lies run sprints.
Truths run marathons.

  

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11. "Interesting video."
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I had no idea that the term 'normalization' comes from KGB propaganda techniques. definitely gonna try to learn more about this guy.

  

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14. "Russia doesn't invent issues"
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they take issues that are already there and magnify them so that they can cause division. we already have these problems but Russia wants to cause chaos and stir the pot so that we are not united. they know they can't defeat us in a real war so they try to get us to destroy ourselves from within, at the same time they want to ruin our reputation around the world so they can weaken us. anyway, people get so riled up and angry, deservedly so at times, we spend all our time fighting each other instead of compromising and working with each other. both political parties have some fault here, but the republicans right now are just straight up evil. all of these bots and fake news need to be dealt with, as well as the injustices. i've never felt like a Civil War is a real possibility up until now. dumb, racist people do a lot of damage to this country, and others would rather deny any wrongdoing than stand up do the right thing. it's so crazy that the racist people are the ones who feel like they've had enough, like THEY are the ones who've been wronged. i wish they weren't so dumb. this information war is dangerous, people believing in things that are not real is scary. I kinda went off there, apologies for the rant.

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19. "They did the same thing in Ukraine before invading "
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There are differences and distrust between russian speaking Eastern Ukraine and the rest of the country.

Russia spread fake news in the east talking about that Kiev is going to ban the Russian language, or how facists from Kiev were taking over.

That was all that was needed to scare them enough to go looking for Russian assistance

http://www.npr.org/2017/08/21/544952989/rough-translation-what-americans-can-learn-from-fake-news-in-ukraine

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20. "yep"
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They did it in Germany and France too.

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25. "there is NO UNITY with people who don't want to unite with you"
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are you not seeing how these people are losing their shit over athletes PEACEFULLY protesting police extrajudicial killings by kneeling?? But when a kid shoots up a church or runs a woman down where is the unity then? It does not exist.

  

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36. "sidenote: repubs officially embrace fake news as campaign protocol now"
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this is a site run by a company paid by the republicans governors association:
https://therepublicanstandard.com

this is a site run directly by the actual republican governors association:
https://freetelegraph.com

both sites prop up republican politicians and trash democrats.

this is where we are in american politics. a major party officially using the flog marketing approach used for acai berry juices, 'stimulus check' giveaways, and 'google posting jobs' lol.

  

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40. "Try this one weird trick to become president!"
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49. "lol exactly."
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22. "# of Stein votes/Trump Margin"
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MI: 51,463 / 10,704
PA: 49,678 / 46,765
WI: 31,006 / 22,177


a little off topic but this is crazy.

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31. "don't fall for the okie doke"
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There is literally no guarantee those voters would have went Clinton, or even voted at all.

Matter of fact, if you follow the typical Dem narrative that Green Party voters are uninformed and/or want to just shake sh!t up and make the world burn, who is to say some of those votes don't go Trump?


AND, Obama faced 3rd party opposition. The Green party wasn't invented last year.


Sorry, I'm not trying to snap at you...but folks gotta stop promoting excuses for the Dems- be it Russia, the Green Party, Bernie bros, whatever.

They should not have lost this election. Period.

While the Russia thing is definitely an issue and no doubt caused problems, the GOP also ran a literal f*cking Bond villain (a sh!tty one too) who was caught on tape bragging about Sexual assault just a month before the election...and all the other stupid/false/bigoted/racist/sexist sh!t he said....

...and the Dems still lost.


A competent party could have beaten Trump even with Russia's bullsh!t.

  

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34. "I'm not falling for any okie dokie, those are the numbers"
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of course they are not guaranteed to have voted for Hillary, but it's not crazy to think that a lot of them would. I know that the Green Party wasn't created last year, Jill Stein is still an asshole who got paid by the Russians to steal votes from Hillary. I agree that the Dems ran a shitty campaign. They are not without fault, but she would have won without the Russians fucking with us. Just my opinion.

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41. "given voter turnout numbers, yes it is crazy"
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"not these people" is the most popular choice in our elections.

and if you're voting green for president, you're very deliberately not voting for a viable candidate.

we can debate the logic and reasoning there, but it's unlikely most of those people would have ever voted for hillary.

  

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43. "fair enough"
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question about the Green Party, are you saying that the majority of them voted for her to strictly be anti establishment as opposed to just liking her ideas the most? My overall point though is that the Russians fucked with us in many different ways, Jill Stein was just one of those ways.

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47. "i think it's both being anti-establishment and liking her ideas the most"
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i did vote for some statewide greens in the last election. i don't think i could have voted for stein or not-voted for hillary.

  

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56. "the dems biggest sin was putting up a candidate under fbi investigation."
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like they knew in 2014 her use of a private email server was about to become a big issue. then you had the state department ig investigation in 2015...finally referring it to the fbi that summer. all of this with the house select committee on benghazi in the backdrop.

she *started* her campaign with an untrustworthy rating over 60%.

even in a standard routine election year without all of the unique external factors and theatrics in 2016...think about the audacity it takes to run a candidate like that as your *top* choice.

and your hopes of winning the presidency hinged on you being cleared *during* your campaign and people trusting you again just in time for the election lol.

and this was on top of going against the usual uphill historical obstacles like gender, 3rd term party incumbency, etc.

the whole shit was kinda crazy in hindsight.

  

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58. "She could have had a spotless record"
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and still would have lost. The racists wanted Trump.

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59. "i really thought the email thing would be a 3 day story at most"
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damn if that train didn't go on

even "tired of hearing about your damn emails" Bern started to buy into it some. he didn't go hard, but by that point saying it was more concerning than he originally thought was enough.

you couldn't get a real answer out of people about why they cared about emails, other than "Idk i just don't trust her" which again was enough

also didn't help that she never learned how to respond to it

  

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32. "the more important/direct issue is voter suppression."
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in the 2 most democratic counties in wisconsin alone, tens of thousands of people were prevented from voting because of a strict voter id law. almost 30% of black voters held out in those counties. wisconsin had its lowest federal election voter turnout since 2000.

this is how republicans win. they cheat. voter id laws, illegal voter purges (an ohio case goes to supreme court this term), racial/partisan gerrymandering (a wisconsin case goes to supreme court this term), etc.

make it disproportionately harder for democratic-leaning voting groups to register, make it harder for them to maintain registration, and make it harder for them to actually cast a ballot.

thats more of a threat than any third party or foreign country.

  

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35. "this is true and dems should be going crazy trying to make this right"
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37. "the aclu is embarking on a nationwide proactive voting rights campaign."
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their usual yearly online donation total is around $4 mil. this year its already $85 mil! so theyre putting that money to good use and going on the offensive.

  

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45. "Damn Reeq"
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You're dropping some gems in this post. Appreciate the comments dude.

  

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50. "no prob at all."
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51. "I'm not too proud to admit it."
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You're schooling me in several ways throughout this thread. Wicked posting. We need Murph back and we'll really get cooking. There's some original thoughts in here you don't see in mainstream coverage.

  

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33. "there's no way to determine if those would be clinton voters"
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same with the from-bernie-to trump voters

a lot of them are just anti-establishment types, many who would have sat the election out, or just far lefties who wouldn't support war mongering neo-liberal hillary, etc..

Still, fuck Jill Stein.

  

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52. "all true *but* stein was intentionally used as a pawn for a reason."
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whether willingly or unwillingly.

she was heavily promoted on rt. she was pictured at that same gala table in 2015 with putin and mike flynn. and she parroted kremlin talking points throughout her campaign (need to rein in 'american exceptionalism', abandon u.s. policy based on 'domination', warmonger clinton would bring ww3, etc).

she spent a large part of her campaign saying democrats sabotaged bernie and hillary wasnt a true ally to progressives (which was constantly echoed by cornel west lol). she was aggressively targeting sanders voters to peel away from democrats (shout out to marc lamont hill for the jill stein protest vote in pa).

and her campaign was constantly boosted by sean spicer (rnc comm director and chief strategist then) *at the same time* he was working the repub primary and general.
https://twitter.com/seanspicer/status/749586207961653248
(that should be suspicious in itself)

so we dont know *how many* dems/indies stein swung away from clinton...but if you *were* intentionally trying to swing dems/indies away from clinton...jill stein was a useful tool.

  

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55. "her ad spots were infuriating "
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Something to the effect of "Donald Trump says some mean things and that's not good. And Hillary Clinton is a corrupt, war-starved, neo-liberal Satan. Consider an alternative"

I'm really surprised that photo goes largely ignored for the most part. But ill admit I haven't researched it or whatever her connection is to Russia at all. I knew zero about the spicer thing.

  

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38. "3rd party voters are wild cards "
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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61. "Russian-linked Facebook ads targeted Michigan and Wisconsin"
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/03/politics/russian-facebook-ads-michigan-wisconsin/index.html

Russian-linked Facebook ads targeted Michigan and Wisconsin
By Manu Raju, Dylan Byers and Dana Bash, CNN
Updated 9:34 PM ET, Tue October 3, 2017

(CNN)A number of Russian-linked Facebook ads specifically targeted Michigan and Wisconsin, two states crucial to Donald Trump's victory last November, according to four sources with direct knowledge of the situation.

Some of the Russian ads appeared highly sophisticated in their targeting of key demographic groups in areas of the states that turned out to be pivotal, two of the sources said. The ads employed a series of divisive messages aimed at breaking through the clutter of campaign ads online, including promoting anti-Muslim messages, sources said.

It has been unclear until now exactly which regions of the country were targeted by the ads. And while one source said that a large number of ads appeared in areas of the country that were not heavily contested in the elections, some clearly were geared at swaying public opinion in the most heavily contested battlegrounds.

Michigan saw the closest presidential contest in the country -- Trump beat Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton by about 10,700 votes out of nearly 4.8 million ballots cast. Wisconsin was also one of the tightest states, and Trump won there by only about 22,700 votes. Both states, which Trump carried by less than 1%, were key to his victory in the Electoral College.

The sources did not specify when in 2016 the ads ran in Michigan and Wisconsin.

As part of their investigations, both special counsel Robert Mueller and congressional committees are seeking to determine whether the Russians received any help from Trump associates in where to target the ads.

White House officials could not be reached for comment on this story. The President and senior White House officials have long insisted there was never any collusion with Russia, with Trump contending the matter is a "hoax."

The focus on Michigan and Wisconsin also adds more evidence that the Russian group tied to the effort was employing a wide range of tactics potentially aimed at interfering in the election.

Facebook previously has acknowledged that about one quarter of the 3,000 Russian-bought ads were targeted to specific geographic locations, without detailing the locations. The company said of the ads that were geographically targeted "more ran in 2015 than 2016." In all, Facebook estimates the entire Russian effort was seen by 10 million people.

Facebook could still be weaponized again for the 2018 midterms

Rep. Adam Schiff, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, told CNN the panel was still assessing the full geographical breakdown of the Russian ads and whether there was any assistance from individuals associated with the Trump campaign.

"Obviously, we're looking at any of the targeting of the ads, as well as any targeting of efforts to push out the fake or false news or negative accounts against Hillary Clinton, to see whether they demonstrate a sophistication that would be incompatible with not having access to data analytics from the campaign," Schiff said Tuesday evening. "At this point, we still don't know."

One person with direct knowledge of the matter said that some of the ads were aimed at reaching voters who may be susceptible to anti-Muslim messages, even suggesting that Muslims were a threat to the American way of life. Such messaging could presumably appeal to voters attracted to Trump's hard-line stance against immigration and calls to ban Muslims from entering the United States.

Schiff said that the committee was planning to investigate ads that suggested Muslims supported Clinton, and how those were geared to people who had been searching online for the Muslim Brotherhood and other items to suggest they were critical of Islam.

The ads were part of roughly 3,000 that Facebook turned over to congressional investigators this week as part of the multiple Capitol Hill inquiries into Russia meddling in the 2016 elections.

CNN reported last week that at least one of the Facebook ads bought by Russians during the 2016 presidential campaign referenced Black Lives Matter and was specifically targeted to reach audiences in Ferguson, Missouri and Baltimore, according to sources with knowledge of the ads.

Lawmakers have only started to assess the scope of the data, and sources from both parties said the 3,000 ads touched on a range of polarizing topics, including the Second Amendment and civil rights issues. The ads were aimed at suppressing the votes and sowing discontent among the electorate, the sources said.

Members from both parties said that there was a clear sophistication in the Russian ad campaign, and they said they were only just beginning to learn the full extent of the social media efforts.

"It's consistent with everything else we've seen in terms of Russian active measures -- a combination of cyber, of propaganda and paid and social media," said Sen. John Cornyn, the No. 2 Republican who sits on both the Senate Intelligence and Judiciary panels, both of which received the Facebook ads. "So, we're just looking at the tip of the iceberg."

  

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62. "Facebook and Twitter are going to catch a lot of shit"
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63. "Remember when Facebook and Uber formed a partnership?"
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https://www.cnet.com/news/facebook-lets-you-order-an-uber-as-it-takes-over-your-life/

And then a year later Uber forced you to turn your location services on.

https://www.theverge.com/2016/11/30/13763714/uber-location-data-tracking-app-privacy-ios-android

That couldn't have possibly been bad for furthering a surveillance state.

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75. "yep"
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I don't think Zuck is going to run for president anymore.

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64. "Is this the same Michigan and Wisconsin that the "worstest candidate eva..."
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thought she had on lock? Interesting.

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65. "Here's what I don't get about this collusion biz. What's the motive?"
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So I guess the idea is that the Trump
campaign fed info to Russia (polling data, forecasts, etc) in order to target their fake news in the places that will be most impactful.

But why wouldn't the Trump campaign just do it themselves. Why would they need Russia's help in doing this?
It's not expensive. It doesn't require technical expertise.
What value does Russia add from the FB/Twitter angle?

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66. "Maybe Russia had the geeks and Trump didn't."
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Or maybe Trump was being forced. Rumors about blackmail abound. Remember that 'crazy' dossier? Most of those points have been confirmed, I hear. But I dunno if the blackmail was confirmed.

fuck you.

  

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67. "Seriously? Oil and sanctions. "
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Moscow has very little money. They survive by global mafia shell games much like North Korea. If they could get someone more friendly to their cause they could have sanctions lifted and be swimming in oil money.

That's why Rex Tillerson of Exxon is head of the state department now.

It's why Paul Manafort was able to work on the campaign for "free" and not have his massive debts collected on him.

It's why the GOP platform was changed by the Trump campaign only with regards to oil. Global destabilization is nice. But CREAM.

2015
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2015/03/04/u-s-sanctions-have-crushed-equity-of-russian-oil-companies/#5684a7b019ef

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68. "I'm talking about motive from Trump's side"
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In particular, the Facebook/Twitter fake news stuff.

Trump campaign doesn't need Moscow to do something this easy.

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69. "He's broke, swimming in debt, and has always needed money. "
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By lifting sanctions he gets money, via houses purchased and rooms "rented" in his buildings, just to start with. Plans to build Trump Tower Moscow which stalled in 2013 but talk continued up through the first two months of his campaign, would proceed. Money. It's always been about money.

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70. "Lol. FB ads are cheap"
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The campaign can afford the couple hundred dollars it costs to place them.

You are wading into waters I'm not touching on. I'm interested in the Russian targeted ad buys and why the Trump campaign would be involved when they could easily do it themselves

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71. "That's not how deals work though. "
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I can't tell if you're being intentionally obtuse or really don't get it.
What about Donald Trump and his team have led you to think they've had any interest in governance outside of making themselves rich and paying down debt?
Jared Kushner uses his "office" to sell visas to wealthy Chinese backers he also needs someone to help him pay for 666 fifth street building that he can't pay on.
Tom Price scammed health care before he got his job via stock trades
Betsy Devos loosened regulations on for profits which is how Trump University got offline
Trump has spent 68 days on his property golfing and all of that money for security detail goes to his property
He's also taken to manipulating stock shares via statements and twitter
He also has foreign investors "staying" at Trump hotel in DC, they either rent floors and don't stay, or hold events
The space that secret service has to rent in his NYC building, money to him
He also uses every chance he can to sell his own wares, red USA hats that he keeps wearing on every stop $40
He also started a reelection campaign the two weeks afte taking offfice so he can accept donations.
His wife uses her modeling to sell the outfits she wears for these photo ops
His daughter uses her position to continue to keep her fashion brand in stores and free of copyright lawsuits.

And that's just a few things I can list off my head. They weren't and aren't smart enough or organized enough to microtarget via psyops, they're just greedy leeches that have always taken the easiest road to get what they want.

And that's how you end up with your son and campaign manager and son in law taking meetings with foreign spies who offer you information in exchange for services. And since you've never been in any form of governance and you're shitty business are a shell game, you take whatever shittier people that'll work with you and for you and just make sure they're loyal. Also why despite all of the firings, there's still little hiring or nominations.

Why did they take $100k in Facebook assistance? Less work for them, more money to be made by both parties down the road.

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76. "RE: Lol. FB ads are cheap"
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>You are wading into waters I'm not touching on. I'm interested
>in the Russian targeted ad buys and why the Trump campaign
>would be involved when they could easily do it themselves


But you can't separate the two. That's how politics work. The Republican Party is flush with on hand cash. But they just took a political black eye over health care because the Kochs threatened to withhold 400 million.

Same way the NRA donates 7000 to a campaign and has that person on the hook for life. You telling me a person that makes six figures a year and gets gold plated health insurance and a stipend to live in DC can't afford 7000 every two years? They absolutely can, but if they don't have to they won't.

FB ads are cheap, free is cheaper.

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78. "Cambridge Analytica"
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https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/mg9vvn/how-our-likes-helped-trump-win

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79. "I'm saying....they were already doing this stuff."
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They can get an intern to type up some fake news story and buy a $500 facebook ad.

What that article seems to suggest is that the campaign gave the Russians this data about which populations to target, and then the Russians bought the FB ads.

The shit seems pointless. Trump and them already did the hard work.

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80. "RE: I'm saying....they were already doing this stuff."
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>They can get an intern to type up some fake news story and
>buy a $500 facebook ad.

Correct

>What that article seems to suggest is that the campaign gave
>the Russians this data about which populations to target, and
>then the Russians bought the FB ads.

Technically correct. Yes. But it the campaign, Cambridge Analytica

>The shit seems pointless. Trump and them already did the hard
>work.


Incorrect. I think if I'm reading you right you're making this seem like it was fake news like "big foot is real", this was psyops from a foreign power. What they did in Ukraine was run ads and information about deveststion happening across the country to people who spoke Russian, which alienated the Russian leaning mobs and amplified a candidate and secessionist movement in Crimea.

The Russian operations here are more significant than simply "making up news" what they did was take voter demographic information (which they didn't have) then targeted and monitored the effectiveness of ads and changed information accordingly. They organized "grass roots" pro trump rallies from Moscow, they funded "alt right" neo fascists leaders, and then stoked the fears of the audience that those leaders were reaching. The goal and effectiveness wasn't and isn't just fake news. It's propaganda and influence. You take the direction someone is moving and help them get to where you need them to be.

The ad buys helped create a small bubble that got amplified and then modified to be effective in keeping out other news. The Trump campaign didn't have those tools or experience performing that level of influence. They couldn't have gotten it done with a million dollars.

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81. "they also created thousands of fake accounts"
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to troll people and spread fake news, maybe millions.

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83. "Also correct. Bot nets drive and test algorithms. "
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So until the social media sites get rid of botnets, anyone with a large enough one can influence current impact and monitor and test any changes.

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82. "Okay. This I can buy"
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That Russia had experience in this that Trump and them didn't.
I appreciate your take

>
>
>Incorrect. I think if I'm reading you right you're making this
>seem like it was fake news like "big foot is real", this was
>psyops from a foreign power. What they did in Ukraine was run
>ads and information about deveststion happening across the
>country to people who spoke Russian, which alienated the
>Russian leaning mobs and amplified a candidate and
>secessionist movement in Crimea.
>
>The Russian operations here are more significant than simply
>"making up news" what they did was take voter demographic
>information (which they didn't have) then targeted and
>monitored the effectiveness of ads and changed information
>accordingly. They organized "grass roots" pro trump rallies
>from Moscow, they funded "alt right" neo fascists leaders, and
>then stoked the fears of the audience that those leaders were
>reaching. The goal and effectiveness wasn't and isn't just
>fake news. It's propaganda and influence. You take the
>direction someone is moving and help them get to where you
>need them to be.
>
>The ad buys helped create a small bubble that got amplified
>and then modified to be effective in keeping out other news.
>The Trump campaign didn't have those tools or experience
>performing that level of influence. They couldn't have gotten
>it done with a million dollars.

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85. "and if I want to buy ads for fake news"
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I damn sure wouldn't have an intern in NYC doing it.

Campaigns always pay 3rd parties to do their dirty work.

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84. "my take... the Russians were going to smear Hillary anyway"
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>So I guess the idea is that the Trump
> campaign fed info to Russia (polling data, forecasts, etc)
>in order to target their fake news in the places that will be
>most impactful.
>
>But why wouldn't the Trump campaign just do it themselves. Why
>would they need Russia's help in doing this?
>It's not expensive. It doesn't require technical expertise.
>What value does Russia add from the FB/Twitter angle?

She was probably the biggest threat to Russia, politically, so they were going to target her on their own anyway.

As a bonus, they managed to entice the Trump campaign into a relationship that appears to be collusion. Months and months of turmoil and investigations have destabilized his administration and undermined the ability of the government to respond to Russian actions globally.

Maybe Trump did play an active part in this but I don't think he'd have to for us to be where we are right now.

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87. "Your take omits the effectivness of targeting local elections "
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Funding "alt-right" neo Nazis
Organizing "grass roots" rallies
Coordinating with Wikileaks
Compromising a foreign general
Promoting secessionist movements
Partnering with an analytics firm
Foreign intelligence gathering
And murdering their citizens on foreign soil amongst other things

Russia is at work with the idea of democracy itself. They've always belived in oligarchy and kleptocracy, and they'll sow those seeds be any means necessary. This is so much bigger than any one candidate. Russia wants chaos and to reap the benefits of chaos then sprinkle on a bit of white supremacy and homophobia, Russia wants that globally.

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92. "Trump's campaign was thinking "enemy of my enemy is my friend""
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Russia was thinking 50 years ahead by thinking "the enemy of my enemy Will still be my enemy"

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93. "Russia has been doing this forever"
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It's just easier to spread propaganda with facebook, twitter, etc.

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73. "Some Russian teenager > Robby Mook"
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The Democrats!

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72. "Facebook fought hard to keep election adds anonymous "
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Since 2011.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-04/facebook-fought-for-years-to-avoid-political-ad-disclosure-rules

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74. "Facebook working with Kaspersky"
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From 2015

http://www.adweek.com/digital/kaspersky-malware-scan/

Here's NY times article about Kaspersky.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/04/opinion/kapersky-russia-cybersecurity.html

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77. "RE: So Russia paid for BLM ads on Facebook during the election?!"
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This shit gonna fuck up my marketing for my next albums damnit...

lol

Facebook a.k.a. Mark told a homie about 5 years ago that they could (w/ news feed algorithm) change the mind of an individual in 6 days....

We dont realize what propaganda esp through our trusted soures/tribe can do to us...

Russians do

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88. "Russia propaganda shared hundreds of millions of times"
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may have been.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2017/10/05/russian-propaganda-may-have-been-shared-hundreds-of-millions-of-times-new-research-says/

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89. "interesting twitter thread"
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https://twitter.com/jamesfourm/status/916048466572390401

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90. "big boy tech bros have been unregulated for da longest"
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da gubbament bout to change allah-dat.

we know twitter has a gazillion bots. no one knows how many have infected FB.

remember the "mind control" thread? i'd vote for a republican before i'd vote for zucks for president.

seriously.

at the end of the day, though, i blame an extremely-dumbed down america for believing everything we read on the tiny 4" screen, as much as i do the social internets who are pedaling the product.

i mean, niggas is using auto-correct and siri with abandon instead of thinking.

  

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91. "Facebook cut Russia out of report on election influence"
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This stuff is a big deal.


https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/facebook-cut-russia-out-of-april-report-on-election-influence-1507253503

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94. "Russian-linked group sold merchandise online"
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http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/06/media/blacktivist-merchandise-facebook-russia/index.html

Russian-linked group sold merchandise online
by Donie O'Sullivan
October 6, 2017: 9:37 AM ET

"Young, gifted and black." "Melanin and muscles." "Our sons matter." The slogans on the clothing that a group called "Blacktivist" offered for sale through Facebook were supposed to look like they came from American Black Lives Matter activists. But they were in fact being promoted by a Russian-linked group working to amplify political discord in the U.S. before the presidential election.

CNN first reported last week that "Blacktivist" accounts on Facebook and Twitter had regularly shared content intended to stoke outrage in an apparent attempt to amplify racial tensions during the U.S. presidential election. The accounts have been suspended and are among those handed over to Congress as part of its investigation into Russia's meddling in the 2016 presidential election.

The page appears to have sold fewer than 100 items of Blacktivist-branded merchandise, but the actual amount of clothing sold is less significant than what the effort represented: A move by the people behind Blacktivist to go beyond social media and spread their influence into the physical world. The Blacktivist Facebook page also promoted at least seven rallies and demonstrations around the U.S. in 2016.

Jonathon Morgan, the founder of New Knowledge, a company that tracks the spread of misinformation online, says the promotion of events and the sale of merchandise is straight out of the Russian misinformation handbook, and that it "fits a pattern of Russian propagandists' attempts at appearing as authentic Americans participating in politics."

"The Russian objective the entire time has been to pit Americans against each other and to prey on divisions that already exist and to capitalize on the hyper-partisan environment that already exists in the US," Morgan said.

"It's one thing to get people arguing with each other on the internet but if you can get Americans marching in the streets that escalates conflict and further destabilizes the country."

Users on Blacktivist's Facebook page who clicked to buy one of the products there would have been taken to a website called Represent, which allows users to upload designs and place them on items like t-shirts and sweatshirts. Merchandise is only produced after an order is placed. Represent handles the payment for and production and shipping of each item and takes a cut on each sale.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/money/dam/assets/171006080040-blacktivist-tshirt-780x439.png

Represent pays sellers their cut through PayPal. Asked by CNN about Blacktivist, PayPal had no immediate comment.

The Blacktivist store on Represent, which CNN found while reviewing a cached version of the Blacktivist Facebook page, featured 84 items of clothing. It is not possible to say for certain whether the Russian group behind the Blacktivist Facebook and Twitter accounts started the Represent page, or whether it took advantage of someone else's work, but the Represent page appears to have been started after the Facebook and Twitter accounts, and the branding is consistent across the accounts. Many of the designs that were on offer appear to have been lifted from pre-existing designs, a practice seemingly not uncommon among some sellers of apparel online.

The Blacktivist store on Represent was taken down on Tuesday after CNN contacted the company. Represent would not say if it had been contacted by federal authorities investigating Russia's role in the 2016 election.

Every product on Represent's website includes an "items sold" count. Eighty-seven items were sold through the Blacktivist store, a CNN analysis of Represent's website found.

In a statement provided to CNN on Tuesday, Represent did not indicate whether it would inform customers who purchased apparel from the Blacktivist store that the group may have had ties to Russia. "The campaign has now ended, but if any customers would like a refund, we'd be happy to provide one," the company's statement said.

Like Blacktivist's accounts, which went undetected by Facebook and Twitter for months, the store on Represent did not arouse suspicion. "Our guidelines prohibit illegal or offensive content, but nothing in this campaign appears to have violated those guidelines," Represent said in a statement.

Blacktivist publicized its merchandise on its Facebook page using a feature Facebook calls a "shop section," cached versions of the now suspended page show.


Facebook offers two ways for page owners to sell products. With the first option, Facebook acts as the e-commerce platform, and users buy the product on Facebook. The second option, which Blacktivist used, allows users to view products on Facebook, then takes them to another site to check out. Any user who clicked to buy an item on the Blacktivist Facebook page would have been taken to the Represent store.

Facebook does not take a cut of sales generated through this feature, the social network says. It also says products added to shop sections are reviewed to ensure they comply with company policy.

Represent did not confirm if any of the Blacktivist store's 87 sales were the result of Facebook users using this functionality.

Facebook would not comment on the Blacktivist page, and pointed to its chief security officer's statement on September 6 that announced some of the company's findings from its investigation into Russian meddling on its platform. The statement did not mention any merchandise sold.

-- CNN's Liz Stark contributed reporting.

  

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95. "Google uncovers Russian-bought ads on YouTube, Gmail and other platforms"
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Google uncovers Russian-bought ads on YouTube, Gmail and other platforms

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2017/10/09/google-uncovers-russian-bought-ads-on-youtube-gmail-and-other-platforms/?utm_term=.f55c8c160c28

  

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http://www.businessinsider.com/house-intelligence-committee-says-it-will-release-russian-facebook-ads-2017-10

House Intelligence Committee says it will release the Russian-bought Facebook ads

Natasha Bertrand


The ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee, Democratic Rep. Adam Schiff, told reporters on Wednesday that the committee will release the Facebook ads purchased by accounts operating out of Russia during the 2016 election.

Schiff and Rep. Mike Conaway, who is leading the Russia investigation, held a press conference following their meeting with Facebook's Chief Operating Officer Sheryl Sandberg.

Conaway said that the committee will release the ads "as quick as we can," and Schiff said they have asked Facebook to "help scrub any personally identifiable information."

"But it's our hope that when they conclude, then we can release them publicly," Schiff said. "They will be released by our committee."

He added that the ads will "probably" not be released before the committee's hearing with representatives from Facebook, Google, and Twitter on November 1.

Conaway said he didn't know who would be at the hearing, "but we believe the three companies will be represented that will be meaningful to this conversation."

Facebook revealed last month that "inauthentic" users likely operating out of Russia's "troll factory," the Internet Research Agency, purchased approximately $100,000 worth of ads during the election. Approximately 25% of the ads were geographically targeted, and many promoted outsider candidates and exploited racial tensions.

The ads boosted Trump, Green Party candidate Jill Stein, and Democratic candidate Bernie Sanders, and at least one ad centered on the Black Lives Matter movement. A group impersonating a California-based Muslim organization was also set up to push fake stories about Hillary Clinton, the Democratic nominee.

Senate Intelligence Committee chairman Richard Burr said during a press conference earlier this month that Facebook could reveal the ads at their discretion. But Facebook has said that it does not want to impede special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Russia's election interference.

Under mounting pressure, Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg announced earlier this month that Facebook had developed a nine-point plan to examine the Russian influence campaign and prevent similar efforts in the future.

Among the changes: Facebook says it will start disclosing which pages paid for political ads, and it plans to partner with election commissions and cyber-threat specialists to mitigate misuse of its platform.

  

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97. "How the Russians pretended to be Texans — and Texans believed them"
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/21/russia-social-media-activism-blacktivist

'Our pain for their gain': the American activists manipulated by Russian trolls

As social media accounts like Blacktivist emerge as fake, demonstrators feel tricked – but say the activism the accounts fueled was very real


Sam Levin and Olivia Solon in San Francisco and Shaun Walker in Moscow
Saturday 21 October 2017 07.00 EDT


It’s painful for Tawanda Jones to talk about her brother. But when she’s offered a chance to speak publicly about how he died in Baltimore police custody, she pushes through her grief to condemn police brutality.

So Jones was grateful to take part in an emotional protest in April last year and meet other families who had lost loved ones to police violence, a reminder that she was not alone: “There’s power in numbers. There’s power in their stories.”

Then she learned this month that some of the organizers behind the event had had a very different agenda.

“Blacktivist” – a social media account coordinating and promoting the march online – was not run by black American activists, but instead, it is now believed, was operated by an agent of Russia attempting to interfere with US politics.

“They are using our pain for their gain. I’m profoundly disgusted,” said Jones, who was stunned to hear that Russian propagandists had impersonated African American activists fighting police violence and racism and had created the event on Facebook, where hundreds RSVP’d. “Facebook should take responsibility. Don’t find out after the fact. After the fact is too late.”

Recent disclosures have revealed that Russian trolls and bots manipulated social media sites to spread false and inflammatory news in an apparent effort to stoke political divisions on a large scale. Facebook admitted last month that a Russian influence operation had purchased $100,000 worth of ads to spread divisive messages about racial injustice, LGBT rights, immigration and other hot-button subjects, and Congress is now investigating. It appears that Twitter, Google, YouTube, Instagram, Pinterest and other sites helped spread the content.

This week, a Moscow-based news outlet called RBC uncovered the work of a troll factory that infiltrated US social networks, with Russians posing as Americans and making payments to legitimate activists in the US, directly funding protest movements. The revelations suggest that the Russian operation went beyond spamming online comment sections and spreading false news – and that a sophisticated interference campaign manipulated, controlled and created real-world events.

US activists and citizens who unknowingly participated in Russia-backed schemes have responded with a wide range of reactions, from anger and confusion to indifference and amusement.

“I don’t understand: why would Russia even waste their time?” said Diane Butler, the mother of Tyrone West, who died in police custody after he was pulled over for a traffic stop. Butler gave a tearful speech at the 2016 rally organized by Blacktivist, recently revealed to be a Russia-backed account in a CNN report. “It makes no sense. We are still in so much pain. How dare someone try to take advantage of my pain?”

The exact role of Blacktivist in organizing these kinds of events is unclear. In some cases, it appears that genuine activists ultimately became involved in the rallies, and other times, the Russian group may have been advertising events that were primarily planned by real protesters. Regardless, the Russian accounts had a wide reach – 360,000 followed Blacktivist on Facebook – and sizable crowds showed up to the events they promoted.

Matt Albert, a New York civil rights attorney representing the family of India Cummings, a black woman who died in jail, shrugged at the revelation that the compromised Blacktivist account helped organize a protest at a detention center in Erie County (evidenced by event pages and Facebook posts that have since been deleted).

“If someone is organizing an event that benefits accountability and justice, I don’t really care what their motives are or who they are,” said Albert, who spoke at the Blacktivist-backed rally, addressing a small crowd on a sidewalk carrying signs for Cummings, who was allegedly mistreated and abused in jail.

“It’s unfortunate that it takes Russia to address these issues as opposed to local leadership,” he said, “but it should not undermine the fact that there’s a serious problem when it comes to police violence.”

Albert said it seemed the Russian figures were simply giving US civil rights causes a bigger platform: “All they are doing is shining a light on the injustices.”

Conrad James, a North Carolina activist who inadvertently collaborated with an imposter Russia group called BlackMattersUS, expressed mixed feelings about the news uncovered by RBC that he had been duped.

“Obviously, the intent was malicious, but the outcome was benevolent,” said James, who organized protests with BlackMattersUS. He said he did not feel that he was a “puppet” for Russia: “They were dealing with real activists with real passion trying to stand up for real issues and human rights.”

Jones, the Baltimore woman who spoke at a Blacktivist event, said she felt “tricked”, but acknowledged that the march was in some ways a success: “It kind of benefited us. It brought an extensive media presence there.”

Jones said she was, however, angry at Facebook and Twitter for allowing imposters to reach so many people. She noted that Facebook once promptly took down a live-stream she posted of a sports event, for piracy reasons, indicating the company has sophisticated tools to track and remove violating content.

Facebook should now inform users who followed fake accounts like Blacktivist, Jones added.

Claire Finkelstein, a University of Pennsylvania law professor, said Facebook could be more transparent and publicly reveal the names of Russian accounts. She also suggested Facebook put in place a moratorium on political ads until it developed safeguards.

“Facebook and Twitter have not fully stepped up to the plate in accepting responsibility,” said Finkelstein.

None of the Silicon Valley companies would say whether they planned to inform users who were exposed to the propaganda.

Asked about the reach of Blacktivist, a spokesperson for Facebook said it had turned information over to Congress but was not publicly releasing details.

A Twitter spokesperson said that the company was “not able to comment on individual accounts, for privacy and security reasons”, despite the fact that the company commented on the suspension of the actor Rose McGowan’s account last week. It appears that one of the Russia accounts even duped Twitter’s CEO, Jack Dorsey, who twice retweeted its messages.

Heber Brown III, a community organizer in Baltimore who communicated with Blacktivist, said he feared the scandal could lead Facebook and other sites to intensify the monitoring and censorship of individual accounts, which could further hurt activists.

“I’d be cautious about letting that snowball grow bigger in the name of national security,” he said.

It’s challenging to measure the impact of the meddling. One fake Russia-linked page had more than 130,000 followers when Facebook closed it last month, but only four people showed up to an anti-immigrant march it organized.

Another difficult question to answer is just how centrally directed the meddling was. It is clear that the Kremlin has long been concerned that it was losing out in what it considers to be a ruthless “information war” with the west. Much of what Russia is accused of doing in the US elections is exactly what Moscow accuses Washington of doing in its own domestic politics, usually without much evidence.

In 2013, during a visit to the opening of new headquarters of Russia Today, the Kremlin’s television channel, which US investigators have claimed is part of the Russian disinformation effort, the president, Vladimir Putin, said the goal of the channel when it had been set up had been to “break the monopoly of Anglo-Saxon global information streams”. The mission, he said, had succeeded.

Going one step further and infiltrating online discussions would be a logical continuation. As the analyst Mark Galleotti explained in a recent European Council on Foreign Relations report, “Russia’s is a broad-based campaign in which the majority of ventures come from the initiative of individuals within and without the government apparatus, guided by their sense of the Kremlin’s desires rather than any detailed master plan.”

  

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99. "has anyone gotten a notification for a friend suggestion?"
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not when someone requests to be your friend, just a notification for a friend suggestion. of course, I don't know this person and we have no mutual friends. facebook weirds me out. off topic, I know.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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