Admittedly, I've never watched their show aside from maybe two sketches (the Outkast one & one more)

But they are likeable dudes tho, no? And Peele obviously made a killing with Get Out this year. I also watch a few episodes of Keegan-Michael Key's new Netflix show, and it was kinda aight. At least he seems like a pretty likeable dude to me as well

So what's with all the hate they get? Just asking cos I'm not really into em like that and I dont know the full story

and references to their degree of blackness.

oh, and Dave Chappelle will probably be mentioned too...


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the basic issue is because they are biracial (they also both had white spouses at one time - Key got/is getting divorced)....

they seem to have an "off" view of racial issues and they are kind of fixated on race at the same time.

They don't just want to "please" Black twitter, for example.

fuck you.

I didn't get it at first and though it wasn't funny but one time they got me and ever since then I laughed at lost of their skits

Some of them were bad tho... really bad.

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Sometimes they missed the mark but other times, they were hilarious. That's like most shows of that nature.

I haven't followed everything they've done since then but I've seen them pop up here & there. I think I've seen Key in more acting roles than Peele. Again, some were fine, others didn't move me. I hate that show on Netflix though.

I think they suffer from the comparison with the Chappelle Show. IMO, that's not a battle that they can win, for whatever reason.

the main problem is the Chappelle Show comparison. if not for that the show itself is a'ight. hit or miss for sure. the hits were high and the misses were LOW.

fuck you.

SNL Mad TV

even old school Kids in the Hall and the State


they have to come up with so much content its definitely gonna be inconsistent

Chappelle just hit everyone so hard and every episode was so great spoiled us lol

>Chappelle just hit everyone so hard and every episode was so
>great spoiled us lol

for every Charlie Murphy True Hollywood Stories there was a "great NY boobs" sketch

they had way fewer bad ones

By virtue of being on for so long. Yeah I said it.


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

they never did anything that touches Clayton Bigsby, Wayne Brady, Rick James, Prince. period.

the closest they got was I Said BIIIITCH and i guess that Pussy on a Chain Wax thing.

i'm old. but still...no. i don't see that show having had the cultural impact Chappelle's Show had.

fuck you.

A-Aron and racist zombies was funny as shit but nah...

Rick James
The Niggars
Bigsby
Prince
Real World Hoboken
Wayne Brady
MJ trial
Gay KKK
Pop Copy
Knee High Park
Playa Haters Ball
Reparations

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They had some good stuff but their highs were nowhere near Dave's.

And their lows were a lot lower than his.

Chappelle got like 10 classic GOAT sketches. 10 on a scale of 1 to 10 that are 10s.

K&P got like 30 sketches that are solid 8s.

It's Jay-Z's catalogue versus Biggies Argument. At some point you win by sheer volume of good (but not great) stuff and all the bad stuff gets forgotten.


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> They had some good stuff but their highs were nowhere near
>Dave's.
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> And their lows were a lot lower than his.


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

fuck you.

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But I still bang Buddy.

KP were not an imitation of Dave Chapelle. The humor comes from two very different places with very different styles.


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

On pure volume he wins. Bc he gave us more product. Lots of solid 7s.

But D's music is higher art. Several 10s. There's less of it so by your logic he lost.

fuck you.

they're aight. but I laffed way more at chappelle.

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i die everytime i see that part


The way that white kid squirms

You mean principal O'shaugnessy?

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one up there.

<--- Big Baller World Order

Cause he put out more songs and albums. And hit more women.

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"The world is before you and you need not take it or leave it as it was when you came in." - James Baldwin

I forget who said it but they noted that the duo tends to focus on racial humor from a mainstream perspective rather than from a black perspective.

I can kind of see it.. the humor in their show reminds me of the "sarcastic cooning" I've seen by some black folks that are trapped in token situations... they play to stereotypes their white friends are familiar with but add a faint hint of subversion.

I think "Get Out" shows there's a little more nuance to at least Jordan Peele's perspective, though.

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1. old heads want them to be chappelle/NOT be chappelle

2. Get Out

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fuck you.

if he's anything like who he was on Friends From College, always hamming it up for white people, that's pretty annoying

but some Key & Peele skits really amused me

For example, the college football players skits. The first one is 3 minutes long. OK, funny names.... with a predictable twitst at the end... Lil bit shallow humor-wise but not everything needs to be deep. But there's an even longer part 2. Why ?!

I felt the same about the Slapass skit. It was funny but did it need a follow up?

It just feels like they could've a bit more heavy on editing not overcooking certain gags.

And I think the Chappelle comparison has only ever hurt them. Chappelle Show didn't stick around long enough to get weak.

Where scenes will be extended to ridiculous lengths to accentuate absurdism

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for me, they veer to easily into WTF-ery

exhibit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB7MichlL1k

*that* kinda stuff

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Also, a good chunk of their humor is "LOL, BLACK PEOPLE!!!"

But mostly, they just ain't funny

cause 99% of black sketch comedy like Chappelle show is "LOL, Black People."

>Also, a good chunk of their humor is "LOL, BLACK PEOPLE!!!"
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>But mostly, they just ain't funny


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

it can be a fine line sometimes

They ain't got any skits as wild as Chappelle's Reparations.


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

there's pretty much nothing funny about that

their humor is thrown into question by the magnitude of how often they do that kinda stuff

there's nothing to balance it out from them

there is nothing profound about skit that on any level

you could at least say the reparations thing had an element of "look how silly we are for spending money on stupid stuff" and if you don't want to give it that then you can't deny that there are other skits that DO have actual merit (in terms of insight into race) to offset it

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I didn't laugh out loud but I see the humor

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Not funny on MAD tv and not funny on their show.

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and that Dave didn't leave the show because of how the stuff he was making was being laughed at by a white dude who worked with him ('m not sure if he ever confirmed it was his writing partner)

Key & Peele wrote their own shit without any white dude unless you count one white dude between them as mixed dudes, I don't

Way more K&P skits don't even rely on race like the bulk of Chappelle's show. Chappelle's show was a seminal era but we're not going to sit here and act like Key & Peele was insulting to black people but Chappelle's show was "laughing with us", especially when that's exactly why Dave left his own show

some can't see it

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He didn't even invent Black Sketch Comedy.

Shit he wasn't even the first black sketch comedy show on Comedy Central.



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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

I doubt those 2 have a show without Black writers without the Chapelle Show popping like it did.

To most it felt like the format of K&P was introduced as a "fuck you dave" by CC

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no doubt about that

but K&P being classically trained improvisational actors who had been on MadTV for years, probably would have got on somewhere eventually

in execution or conception to me.

They seem really uncomfortable and forced when they try and "do" a role of a "black man". Not the surburbanites that they are...but the forced deep voice/cadence shhit...It's like watching a Seth Mcfarlane stereotype live.

I ain't compare them to Chappelle at all, cuz they're two different things. Chappelle is way more comfortable in his skin and MUCH smarter than these two are. Like, could you imagine K&P trying to pull off the Niggar family sketch? Or the Player Hater's Ball?

They ain't familiar/comfortable enough with working class black culture enough to conceive of, let alone pull off, something like that.

Like the Outkast skit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02cSc5a49LA

Interesting idea, but it ain't funny at all. It depends upon an exaggeration of 3K's eccentricities, right? But dude is doing some weird, Lil Richard shit, that seems like a parody of...something else. It's just off. And dude's Big Boi is just flat AF. They can't do shit like this, at all..and they always tried shit like this, lol. Somebody above said it got into the uncanny valley...and yeah. Their shit is hella squirmy, AND unfunny.

I ain't even getting started on the accents.

I find some of their skits funny and A-Aron was fucking hilarious but overall I agree with you

when they miss it's like.. over the backboard in the 3rd row missing on layups and shit.

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at us shit is bullshit.

There is no skit in the world that makes more fun of preconceived notions of black people than the Reparations skit...and that shit is funny as hell.

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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

both posted at the same time), the "level of blackness"/"biracial" thing makes them "outsiders" or "off" to those who claim to "really" represent Black people (like Black twitter)

Black people are known to "put people in their place" if they really supposedly don't speak for/represent Black people (too light, too middle class, too rich, too bougie, etc.)

People tried to say "they're just not funny" but the "level of Blackness"/"biracial" thing just couldn't....

and I'd respect it more if people just said that.

Humor is subjective so this "not funny" shit is eh, everything isn't for everyone

but to sit here and act like they insult black people somehow... come on

cause to me, some of those skits were just awful... especially the first year.

They got better over time but I can see how that first season shaped folks opinions of them.

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but there was some funny ass skits in the first season to go along with the bad ones

by the end of it's run though K&P had a lot of great sketches

the reparations skit makes fun of *preconceived notions* of blackness. And white notions of superiority (the weather man changing his voice to be around white folks, and telling them all to kiss his ass the first chance he gets? yeah, that's not making fun of black people, lol)

Key and Peele seem to believe those preconceived notions.

Also, they ain't funny.

*shrug*

those preconceived notions"?


Yall should admit that this ain't really based on any sort of analysis of the substance of their body of work but rather this is just a gut feeling that they are really "black enough".





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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

K&P aren't "black" enough.

You should work that out internally, lol

They ain't funny.

To say they are somehow "laugh at us" implies they aren't us. They are some how outside of blackness.

Again you can't really answer the question of what's your basis for saying "Key and Peele seem to believe those preconceived notions."

It's okay to just say I don't find them funny. You don't need this they laughing at us as oppose to with us tomfoolery.





>K&P aren't "black" enough.
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>You should work that out internally, lol
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>They ain't funny.


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

IN ADDITION, when they attempt Black Humor, which *is* a thing BTW, it's forced and off, largely because they don't seem to understand the voice needed.

Two points.

but I think the reason folks think they are making fun of Black folk is because they don't come across as people who are fully comfortable with Blackness..

You see Dave chilling with Common, The Roots, Badu, etc and it was obvious he was "one of us"

however.. with K&P I think a lot of us got the feeling they would be the Black dude in the room who wouldn't give you the head nod if itwe were the only Black people in the room.

one other thing. I watched A Different World and Jordan Peele was an extra in the pit in one scene.

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so it's hard for me in hindsight to think he's so uncomfortable with blackness. He could have casted himself in that crucial role. Keanu was disappointing though and did hinge on the one note joke of them not being "black enough"

>but I think the reason folks think they are making fun of
>Black folk is because they don't come across as people who are
>fully comfortable with Blackness..
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>You see Dave chilling with Common, The Roots, Badu, etc and it
>was obvious he was "one of us"
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>however.. with K&P I think a lot of us got the feeling they
>would be the Black dude in the room who wouldn't give you the
>head nod if itwe were the only Black people in the room.
>
>one other thing. I watched A Different World and Jordan Peele
>was an extra in the pit in one scene.
>

That's interesting, I never knew that. I got to look up what episode that is

Literally no one thought that show would be Black as fuck because he came across as a corny dude to most people.

K&P may be cool as shit but they definitely give off a corny vibe like they wouldn't be comfortable in a room full of Black folk.

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or did I just imagine the "first all black writing staff" part?


either way, no one saw that coming from Glover; he made it a point to have an all black writing team and plenty of people thought he was a mega cornball that didn't even like black folks or whatever


so yeah, just like Peele with Get Out. No one thought these dudes would be making lightweight seminal modern black tv/film. I'm proud of them.

Coming from an all black elementary to high school and going to a PWI college I talked mad shit about people I perceived as sellouts.

And I did meet a lot of black people that really didn't want anything to do with black people.

Then I met some who wanted to be down with black people but because of their experiences in white school were afraid or intimidated by the cool black kids. Can I tell you how many times a drunken black white girl would tell me how she wanted more black friends but was scared to approach black kids at school.

There was also a whole lot of black kids from white lower schools who only kicked it with black kids from similar backgrounds but would be terrified kicking it "regular black people".

There was also a whole lot of black kids from white lower schools who went extra hard to prove they were authentically black.

What I have come to appreciate though is that all these folks are black and the bi-racial kid who went to all white schools is an authentically black experience. Also that alot of K&P humor was grounded in bi-racial and black people raised in white environments trying to prove there blackness which is a rich new vein to mine in black humor.

Anyway, let's not forget that Dave Chappelle doesn't have a black wife either.



>but I think the reason folks think they are making fun of
>Black folk is because they don't come across as people who are
>fully comfortable with Blackness..
>
>You see Dave chilling with Common, The Roots, Badu, etc and it
>was obvious he was "one of us"
>
>however.. with K&P I think a lot of us got the feeling they
>would be the Black dude in the room who wouldn't give you the
>head nod if itwe were the only Black people in the room.
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>one other thing. I watched A Different World and Jordan Peele
>was an extra in the pit in one scene.
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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

I grew up in the burbs, predominantly white school but I had a strong black foundation outside of school... so maybe it's different for me.

What I always witnessed was the Black kids who didn't have Black friends did so by choice. They always made excuses about how Black people didn't duck with them in order to justify their predominantly white friendships.

While some black kids got joked at the end of the day we still were cool with anyone who was willing to put in a little time to get to know us. Especially when we also had a few white friends who had no problem being cool with Black kids.

and Dave having an Asian wife is how he got that fat check. They don't give us that type of money if we have a Black wife. He is on that list too tho... lol.

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black people and black experiences.

>I grew up in the burbs, predominantly white school but I had
>a strong black foundation outside of school... so maybe it's
>different for me.
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>What I always witnessed was the Black kids who didn't have
>Black friends did so by choice. They always made excuses about
>how Black people didn't duck with them in order to justify
>their predominantly white friendships.
>
>While some black kids got joked at the end of the day we still
>were cool with anyone who was willing to put in a little time
>to get to know us. Especially when we also had a few white
>friends who had no problem being cool with Black kids.
>
>and Dave having an Asian wife is how he got that fat check.
>They don't give us that type of money if we have a Black wife.
>He is on that list too tho... lol.


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

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>Then I met some who wanted to be down with black people but
>because of their experiences in white school were afraid or
>intimidated by the cool black kids. Can I tell you how many
>times a drunken black white girl would tell me how she wanted
>more black friends but was scared to approach black kids at
>school.

It's no way a black person in a white school could experience something worse from cool black kids then what they already experienced in a white majority environment.

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