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"Today, Trump moves us one step closer to War with North Korea "
Tue Aug-08-17 03:09 PM by Case_One

          

Trump threatens North Korea after US assesses they have miniaturized a nuclear warhead
By Jim Sciutto, Barbara Starr and Zachary Cohen, CNN
Updated 3:53 PM ET, Tue August 8, 2017

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/08/politics/north-korea-missile-ready-nuclear-weapons/index.html


Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump issued an extraordinary ultimatum to North Korea on Tuesday warning Pyongyang not to make any more threats against the United States or they will "face fire and fury like the world has never seen," during a photo op at the Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, New Jersey.

"North Korea best not make any more threats to the United States. They will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen... he has been very threatening beyond a normal state. They will be met with fire, fury and frankly power the likes of which this world has never seen before," he said.

Trump's harsh words come as US intelligence analysts have assessed that North Korea has produced a miniaturized nuclear warhead, according to multiple sources familiar with the analysis of North Korea's missile and nuclear program.

It is not believed that the capability has been tested, according to the sources.

This is not a consensus view from the entire intelligence community, one US official said. The Washington Post, which was first to publish details, reported that it was the analysis of the Defense Intelligence Agency.

The US official familiar with the analysis of North Korea's missile and nuclear program says, in reference to North Korea's leader Kim Jong Un's boasts about the program, "we have to take him at his word and we need to be prepared to deal with it."
This official said the 'assessment" is continuing to be refined and updated as more intelligence is collected.

The officials all note that the evidence shows North Korea is making progress and the question is more about when not if North Korea is capable of launching a nuclear capable missile.

Referring to Kim Jong Un, the official said this report needs to be taken seriously as "we've seen him moving forward" on the program with no indication he is turning back.

US military commanders have long planned on the assumption that North Korea has a warhead.

In 2014, then-commander of US Forces Korea Gen. Curtis Scaparrotti said he believed that they had the capability to miniaturize a warhead.

"I believe they have the capability to have miniaturized a device at this point, and they have the technology to potentially actually deliver what they say they have," Scaparrotti said at the time.

The Washington Post first reported details of the assessment on Tuesday just hours after North Korea threatened 'physical action' in response to punitive sanctions unanimously passed by the United Nations Security Council over the weekend.

CNN has previously reported that US intelligence estimates Pyongyang may have the capacity to deliver a nuclear weapon to the US mainland by early next year and its missile program showed significant progress during two intercontinental ballistic missile tests in July.

"Assuming everything is true, including that intelligence assessment both existing and everything being accurate, there are still important unknowns," Republican Rep. Lee Zeldin told CNN's Wolf Blitzer, noting that questions still linger about whether a possible North Korean warhead could survive re-entry from the earth's upper atmosphere.

However, Zeldin also said that reporting of the development "increases the urgency of the time sensitivity" of efforts being taken by the US and its international partners to address North Korea's missile and nuclear programs diplomatically.

Earlier on Tuesday, President Trump was quick to highlight his administration's success in leading the UN Security Council to unanimously pass sanctions on North Korea.

"After many years of failure,countries are coming together to finally address the dangers posed by North Korea. We must be tough & decisive!" Trump wrote in a tweet on Tuesday morning.

But reports that North Korea has taken another big step forward in realizing its nuclear ambitions will likely only escalate an already tense situation after the latest chapter of rhetorical chest-thumping.

US Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley called newly approved sanctions on North Korea "a gut punch" and warned of possible military action should the regime continue its aggressive actions.

Those military options include launching a "preventative war" against North Korea, according to White House national security adviser H.R. McMaster.

"If they had nuclear weapons that can threaten the United States, it's intolerable from the President's perspective. Of course, we have to provide all options to do that, and that includes a military option," McMaster said in an interview with MSNBC on Saturday.

North Korean Foreign Minister Ri Yong Ho said Pyongyang "will, under no circumstances, put the nukes and ballistic rockets on the negotiating table," and would "teach the US a severe lesson" if it used military force against North Korea.

North Korea was estimated to have between 13 and 30 nuclear weapons at the end of 2016, according to the Institute for Science and International Security -- noting that North Korea keeps secret the number of nuclear weapons that it has built, and there is little, if any, reliable public information about this value.
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Cali, we had a nice run. Hawaii, Japan, and South Korea too.
Aug 08th 2017
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Bases in Hawaii, Japan, and South Korea are probably all on...
Aug 08th 2017
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      93-94?
Aug 08th 2017
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You can't make these kind of threats
Aug 08th 2017
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War time prez = mueller on ice, trumprussia on the backpage
Aug 08th 2017
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Nuclear first strike does not need congress
Aug 08th 2017
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      That's a very scary prospect.
Aug 08th 2017
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           Congressional approval would take too long
Aug 08th 2017
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           RE: That's a very scary prospect.
Aug 08th 2017
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it's just...how can...I mean the guy is...
Aug 08th 2017
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Do ya'll think this could get him relected?
Aug 08th 2017
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Considering that blue states are the likeliest targets
Aug 08th 2017
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Does it matter?
Aug 08th 2017
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I'm just at a loss
Aug 08th 2017
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Pence stood on the border in S. Korea to show his mean face.
Aug 08th 2017
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Maybe I am naive
Aug 08th 2017
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      The same people believe in end time prophecies and that they're the good
Aug 08th 2017
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           I'm not talking about Johnny Trump Voter though...
Aug 08th 2017
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                Nor am I. The AF has been taken over by dominonists
Aug 08th 2017
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plenty of republicans alive today that supported nukes in korea, vietnam
Aug 08th 2017
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But Hillary's emails
Aug 08th 2017
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And illegal gerrymandering, disenfranchisement, illegal purging
Aug 08th 2017
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you mean "Buttery males"
Aug 08th 2017
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north korea smells weakness just like china and russia smell weakness.
Aug 08th 2017
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RE: north korea smells weakness just like china and russia smell weaknes...
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nk threatens to fire missiles near military bases in guam.
Aug 08th 2017
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They just got threatened by the largest army on the planet
Aug 08th 2017
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Trump is going full Game of Thrones
Aug 08th 2017
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I don't see it happening but it's a nice distraction
Aug 09th 2017
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It may not happen, but it's more than a distraction. His Reckless Words
Aug 09th 2017
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https://youtu.be/xweiQukBM_k?t=50
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IkeMoses
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1. "Cali, we had a nice run. Hawaii, Japan, and South Korea too."
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See y'all at the crossroads with Eazy.

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2. "Bases in Hawaii, Japan, and South Korea are probably all on..."
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high alert.

In South Korea specifically, I remember being told that we'd have maybe ten minutes to be decked out in chem gear if anything popped off. That was in 93-94. With technology being the way it is, I'm certain that time estimate is lower.

I was at the lower end of the peninsula too. Those that are closer to the DMZ were told that they don't really have a chance. man, I'm praying for all of them right now.

  

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10. "93-94?"
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Were you in Pusan? Camp Hialeah?

  

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MEAT
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3. "You can't make these kind of threats"
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You either have to follow up with them or not. Neither option has a good outcome. The thing is, he's been itching for nukes for years.

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4. "War time prez = mueller on ice, trumprussia on the backpage"
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Clinton Bush and Obama all fired off rockets overseas to distract from problems here

Actual war needs a vote from Congress tho



They need to just pay China to hack NK nuclear systems and military software



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6. "Nuclear first strike does not need congress"
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And if what you're hanging your hat on is congress saving us, good luck.

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7. "That's a very scary prospect."
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It almost doesn't make sense that wouldn't need Congressional approval.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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IkeMoses
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9. "Congressional approval would take too long"
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If we needed to push the button for a counterstrike.

Our only hope this whole time was not putting a world destroying nutjob in office, but we fucked that up.

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13. "RE: That's a very scary prospect."
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>It almost doesn't make sense that wouldn't need Congressional
>approval.

Supposed to be used quickly, in the event of a counter strike, or a first strike. Usually you entrust the presidency to someone who's aware of their responsibilities on a global scale. But this isn't the case now, and here's where things stand.

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5. "it's just...how can...I mean the guy is..."
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nvm it's too depressing to even react to this lunatic anymore.

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8. "Do ya'll think this could get him relected?"
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An actually war with N. Korea?

If a fat guy falls in the woods and there is no one around to see it, do the trees laugh?

  

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11. "Considering that blue states are the likeliest targets"
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for nuclear strikes?

Yeah.

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14. "Does it matter?"
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We won't have time to start a land war with N Korea. So we're talking about missles or nukes hitting targets, without much of an exit plan for the globe afterwards.

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12. "I'm just at a loss"
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of how Repubs can cosign this stuff.

I mean I GET IT but I don't get it.


I am about as Left as you can get. If there was a Dem/Liberal president in office that legit could start a Nuclear war out of sheer ignorance I'd be all about taking a hard pass.


I honestly don't think it would hurt them politically that much either.

Maybe some would get primaried, but you'd still have Repubs in those seats.

You can run in 18 and 20 on being the party that put country over politics, etc.

Add the fact that the Dems really have no message, etc?

Just do it.

Impeach (can his cabinet impeach him?)

Put Pence in there- the far right loves that guy. Nab a more "centrist" VP...country over party...boom.


A Pence/Kasich or whatever has a much better chance in 20 imo. Trump's a$$ will get primaried.


Either way, politics aside...how can they gamble like this?

Sh!t is scary.


  

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15. "Pence stood on the border in S. Korea to show his mean face. "
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Not even making that up. What makes you feel he wouldn't reach the same ends, using the same means but different external tactics.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2017/04/19/pence-the-united-states-is-not-seeking-negotiations-with-north-korea/?utm_term=.64e2ef9b1ff2

There has been much discussion in Washington about Pence’s short visit to the demilitarized zone, where he stood outside the Freedom House on the South Korean side of the border and stared into North Korea. Pence wasn’t supposed to walk outside, according to the schedule, but he decided in the moment he wanted to send a message directly to the North Koreans.


“I thought it was important that we went outside,” he said. “I thought it was important that people on the other side of the DMZ see our resolve in my face.”

I asked the vice president what he was thinking at that moment. Pence paused, collected his thoughts and then told me the story of when he was a 19-year-old traveler in Germany in 1978. He visited Checkpoint Charlie at the Berlin Wall and looked across to communist East Germany to see a country that had never recovered from the devastation of war, full of people who couldn’t enjoy basic rights.

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17. "Maybe I am naive"
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in thinking that most people, on both sides of the political spectrum, don't want Nuclear war.

Do I believe this country (both sides) uses war and the threat of war/terrorism, etc for political/power/financial/economic gain?

Absolutely.

But Nuclear war?

I just (stupidly, apparently) thought literally no one wants that.


And I'm not personally advocating for Pence.

I'm saying I don't understand how the GOP has so easily allowed itself to be taken over by someone who is obviously a combination of unstable and incompetent.

  

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19. "The same people believe in end time prophecies and that they're the good"
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Guys. Maybe they don't want nuclear war per se, but they do believe in bastardized scriptures and see themselves as the righteous.

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20. "I'm not talking about Johnny Trump Voter though..."
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(Although, I would argue even they probably have higher priorities than nuking North Korea...hell they would probably prefer the military go build that wall)

I'm talking about, for lack of a better term, the Republican Establishment.

Like, the John Kelly's of the world really cool with this?

They are standing by this rather than risk a potential political hiccup in 18, which again, I really doubt would be THAT bad all things considered.


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On a sidenote, its unreal what doesn't hurt this clown.

Remember when, "bomb bomb bomb Iran" or whatever helped bring down McCain?

Romney's 47% remark? Binders of Women?



It's unreal how far the bar has fallen.

  

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21. "Nor am I. The AF has been taken over by dominonists "
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And nearly all levels of government have been trying to remake this country into a pseudo theocracy.



>(Although, I would argue even they probably have higher
>priorities than nuking North Korea...hell they would probably
>prefer the military go build that wall)
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>I'm talking about, for lack of a better term, the Republican
>Establishment.
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>Like, the John Kelly's of the world really cool with this?
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>They are standing by this rather than risk a potential
>political hiccup in 18, which again, I really doubt would be
>THAT bad all things considered.
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>On a sidenote, its unreal what doesn't hurt this clown.
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>Remember when, "bomb bomb bomb Iran" or whatever helped bring
>down McCain?
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>Romney's 47% remark? Binders of Women?
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>It's unreal how far the bar has fallen.

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25. "plenty of republicans alive today that supported nukes in korea, vietnam"
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the fucked up bombing we did anyway throughout se asia, strategic nukes in europe and central america, israeli preemptive strikes, and decades of fucked up intervention in iran/iraq/etc that were conventional but still killed/displaced millions while making us less safe.

this isn't out of line with all that. when you don't think of "the enemy" as people, you tend to forget that other people will react to and respond to and be affected by your violence.

  

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16. "But Hillary's emails"
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Fuck you Bernie Bros.

And goobers.

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18. "And illegal gerrymandering, disenfranchisement, illegal purging"
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Psyops collusion with the Russian, Fox News propaganda, and so on.

The system has been broken, fence sitters were the tipping point but not the rolling mass that's been underway since Reagan.

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27. "you mean "Buttery males""
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22. "north korea smells weakness just like china and russia smell weakness."
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which is why north korea is escalating so quickly.

this could easily become trumps 'red line'
if he doesnt follow through.

  

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23. "RE: north korea smells weakness just like china and russia smell weaknes..."
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https://qz.com/871436/donald-trump-nuclear-weapons-putin-and-trump-release-statements-that-hint-at-increased-nuclear-armament/

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24. "nk threatens to fire missiles near military bases in guam."
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https://twitter.com/sangwonyoon/status/895042446433955842

clearly playing chicken with trump
and not backing down.

  

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26. "They just got threatened by the largest army on the planet"
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What other choice do they have?

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28. "Trump is going full Game of Thrones "
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"The unexamined life is not worth living." - Plato

  

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29. "I don't see it happening but it's a nice distraction"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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30. "It may not happen, but it's more than a distraction. His Reckless Words "
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affect global markets, committees, economies, foreign relationships etc.

Dude, can;t just be spouting off at the mouth



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31. "https://youtu.be/xweiQukBM_k?t=50"
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