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denny
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"Black lives matter at Evergreen College"


          

BLM has been hijacked (if they were ever virtuous before) by an extremely amoral faction of post-modernism. This world-view of post-modernist marxism is the blindest of the blind. The best emotional indicator is the boldness in which they accept inherited cultural privilege. Cell phones....'wants'.....hair.

The narcissism of the west is quantifiable. But these kids is crazy. On cellphones.

  

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Subject Author Message Date ID
How do you say "go fuck yourself" in gibberish?
Jun 02nd 2017
1
Line stepping?
Jun 04th 2017
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      Your "validation" of blackness or black effectiveness is toothless
Jun 04th 2017
27
           ...
Jun 05th 2017
28
                It's obvious neither of us cares about what the other is typing
Jun 05th 2017
33
                     smh
Jun 05th 2017
39
                          You. Not an individual white person. You specifically.
Jun 05th 2017
42
dude woke up last week and decided he wanted to start some shit
Jun 02nd 2017
2
No.
Jun 02nd 2017
3
i know the story. the white dude did wake up one day
Jun 02nd 2017
5
      like literally, he decided to get posting on twitter
Jun 02nd 2017
6
           I thought you were riding with Denny. My fault.
Jun 02nd 2017
7
A quote:
Jun 02nd 2017
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What is your point?
Jun 03rd 2017
8
      I do. I think he's wrong as fuck.
Jun 03rd 2017
9
           Why did you make the "non-male" distinction?
Jun 03rd 2017
10
           Because #youoksis is full of black men stories
Jun 03rd 2017
11
                Is this story about a "day of absence" for white ppl or something else?
Jun 03rd 2017
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                     same here
Jun 19th 2017
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           RE: I do. I think he's wrong as fuck.
Jun 03rd 2017
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                Who's we? Post a pic
Jun 03rd 2017
13
                     Your foundation is weak.
Jun 03rd 2017
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                          Got it. Sit this one out Greg
Jun 03rd 2017
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                               "No whites!" - MEAT
Jun 03rd 2017
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                                    This you? 4. "For what it's worth"
Jun 03rd 2017
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                                         We gon be alright
Jun 03rd 2017
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                                         I'm glad you could get to the bottom of the real issue
Jun 03rd 2017
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                                              You'll live. Go play Bocce, it's Saturday.
Jun 03rd 2017
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                                                   LOL
Jun 03rd 2017
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What do you mean by 'starting some shit'?
Jun 04th 2017
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      RE: What do you mean by 'starting some shit'?
Jun 04th 2017
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      RE: What do you mean by 'starting some shit'?
Jun 06th 2017
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RE: Black lives matter at Evergreen College
Jun 04th 2017
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I came checking for an evergreen college post but you Bamma'd
Jun 05th 2017
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White people love telling black people how to be.
Jun 05th 2017
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      ^^^^
Jun 05th 2017
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      I hear you but them Evergreen kids are obnoxious and appear
Jun 05th 2017
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           what's the actual breakdown of this story?
Jun 05th 2017
35
           Post four
Jun 05th 2017
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           thx
Jun 05th 2017
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                No.
Jun 05th 2017
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           Like there can be no spin. LOL.
Jun 05th 2017
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                I meant your breakdown... I'm not trying to read all that right now
Jun 05th 2017
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           They could be 1000% wrong (they're not) and denny still shouldn't speak
Jun 05th 2017
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                They could publically claim I'm sub-human and a genetic defect
Jun 05th 2017
43
                I would whistle to the beat of your tear drops.
Jun 05th 2017
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                OK, I am black. So now that we got your authenticity test out the
Jun 05th 2017
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                     It's not an authenticity test. This wasn't about generic white people.
Jun 05th 2017
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                          Ok but you do so the difference between voluntarily associations
Jun 05th 2017
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                               RE: Ok but you do so the difference between voluntarily associations
Jun 05th 2017
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                               why can't kids in college protest shit on campus?
Jun 05th 2017
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                               That they are in college is kind of the point of why they shouldn't
Jun 05th 2017
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                                    Meh.
Jun 05th 2017
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                               Additionally this government has never been a neutral actor
Jun 05th 2017
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                               what were you doing in college Buddy? GTFOH bruh...
Jun 05th 2017
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                                    Dumb shit, which gives me special insight into seeing dumb shit.
Jun 05th 2017
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                                         Better to do your dumb shit early.
Jun 05th 2017
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                                              Except pole-vaulters aren't motivated by a hate-based idealogy.
Jun 06th 2017
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                                                   You'll live white man.
Jun 06th 2017
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                                                   This kids aren't advocating hate. They are being short-sighted
Jun 06th 2017
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                                                        Nah dude is the victim. All he can sympathize with is the white ego.
Jun 06th 2017
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                                                        Tenets of Critical theory:
Jun 07th 2017
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I watched about 15 seconds of your 1st video...WTF is the connection
Jun 06th 2017
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      Worse than that, he states in his original post the org has no value.
Jun 06th 2017
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      I missed this post and a chance to respond.
Jun 10th 2017
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           I stopped reading at 'I was misinformed' (c) Denny
Jun 10th 2017
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                What exactly is your pont?
Jun 10th 2017
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                     the point is that you're constantly off base looking for confirmation
Jun 19th 2017
141
Denny, stop stroking yourself.
Jun 05th 2017
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I'll cop to being self-congratulatory in tone.
Jun 06th 2017
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      It's no measure of health to be well-adjusted to a profoundly sick socie...
Jun 06th 2017
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      RE: It's no measure of health to be well-adjusted to a profoundly sick s...
Jun 06th 2017
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      Also wanted to say....
Jun 06th 2017
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      Your refined racism is all too obvious to me, denny.
Jun 17th 2017
132
           ^^^
Jun 19th 2017
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      Do you have kids? It's hard to imagine a person with children 9edit)
Jun 06th 2017
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      There is nothing nihilistic about facing reality.
Jun 06th 2017
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           You are the epitome of dorm room activism. LOL.
Jun 06th 2017
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                And you kick it in your racist white neighbor's house then cry to us
Jun 06th 2017
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                     LOL. Ain't nobody cry about nothing.
Jun 06th 2017
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                          Yeah sure. That's enough of your trolling for one day.
Jun 06th 2017
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                               That's just as easy.
Jun 06th 2017
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                                    I requested intelligence, but I'll respond to your attempt at it.
Jun 07th 2017
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      http://gph.is/28UVs7K
Jun 06th 2017
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      You should have lead with this and probably not tied it to Evergreen
Jun 06th 2017
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      When people tell you who they are believe them.
Jun 06th 2017
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      When people don't signal my virtues....categorize them.
Jun 10th 2017
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      people always want to lead with this and then make it about something el...
Jun 06th 2017
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      I tirelessly watched hours of footage.
Jun 07th 2017
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      gratitude isn't a left problem or a campus problem or a generational pro...
Jun 06th 2017
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      I don't think the two are mutually exclusive
Jun 06th 2017
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      I think that's a mischaracterization
Jun 06th 2017
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      Willfully blind statement.
Jun 07th 2017
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      i don't follow
Jun 07th 2017
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           THERE IS NOONE who has talked more about alt-right than me.
Jun 07th 2017
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                i didn't say anything about the alt right.
Jun 10th 2017
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                     Dont worry Bro, he just T.U.I'n right now.
Jun 10th 2017
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                     I wasn't clear there.....
Jun 10th 2017
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      I'm not saying we shouldn't be critical of society.
Jun 10th 2017
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           so your issue with them is they're prone to hyperbole?
Jun 10th 2017
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                My issue is with critical race studies.
Jun 10th 2017
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                     so your issue is with the overgeneralizing of their criticisms?
Jun 10th 2017
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                          Every single non-Stem department has been taken over by critical theory.
Jun 10th 2017
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      I don't disagree with you but you should be careful not to sound
Jun 06th 2017
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           I tried to read it.
Jun 07th 2017
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                wtf
Jun 19th 2017
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Updates:
Jun 10th 2017
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I wonder which building Weinstein's, a biological sciences professor, of...
Jun 11th 2017
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Statement of solidarity from Faculty.
Jun 10th 2017
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an added point.
Jun 10th 2017
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      The link above does not include the filter settings.
Jun 10th 2017
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           AND ANOTHER THING!!!!!!!!
Jun 10th 2017
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Another biology prof from Evergreen speaks out
Jun 10th 2017
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Naima Lowe speaks out:
Jun 15th 2017
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The Media Brought the Alt-Right to My Campus
Jun 16th 2017
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need to listen to these young people
Jun 16th 2017
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I saw the clip on Vice News....
Jun 16th 2017
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Read two posts up.
Jun 16th 2017
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      First off, I already know what the issue is
Jun 16th 2017
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           I'm an adult. Saying you're acting like a ho now.
Jun 16th 2017
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                Calling names without talking about the actual issue?
Jun 16th 2017
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                     Piggy backing on ho ass denny, ignoring the kids actual words
Jun 16th 2017
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                          You assumed I didn't grasp the start of the incident.....
Jun 16th 2017
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                               You watched the clip and the kids are full of shit
Jun 16th 2017
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                                    Yes...they had all the leverage on that issue.....
Jun 16th 2017
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                                         Black students have zero leverage over a white man and a national
Jun 16th 2017
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                                         Whatever.....stay on your soapbox
Jun 16th 2017
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                                         One of us is defending black people one of us is finding nuance in denny
Jun 16th 2017
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                                              Just because they have a point doesn't mean it's well executed
Jun 16th 2017
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                                                   The fact that you want to contribute to a conversation about blackness
Jun 16th 2017
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                                                        So you had nothing to say back about what I said
Jun 16th 2017
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                                                             Not a word.
Jun 16th 2017
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                                                             Wait. Your bonehead ass isn't black either?
Jun 17th 2017
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                                                                  He's Asian.
Jun 17th 2017
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                                                                  His fault
Jun 17th 2017
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                                                                  lmao
Jun 19th 2017
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                                         holy fuck man...it's like polar poast
Jun 19th 2017
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                                         There is alot of misinformation in this exchange.
Jun 16th 2017
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                                              You a bitch.
Jun 16th 2017
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                                                   glass houses fam...
Jun 19th 2017
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                                                        I feel like some folks are addicted to white criticism.
Jun 19th 2017
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                                                             i feel u
Jun 19th 2017
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Both had a point. Both executed it horribly.
Jun 16th 2017
127
Escellent article here:
Jun 17th 2017
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LET. IT. GO.
Jun 17th 2017
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      There are several reasons why this is relevant to me personally.
Jun 17th 2017
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           RE: There are several reasons why this is relevant to me personally.
Jun 17th 2017
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                RE: There are several reasons why this is relevant to me personally.
Jun 18th 2017
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Bump bump
Jun 17th 2020
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New doc on the Evergreen matter (link)
Jun 17th 2020
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WOW THEY NUKED IT.
Jun 17th 2020
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taibbi post is gone?
Jun 17th 2020
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      YEP. NO EXPLANATION
Jun 17th 2020
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           that sucks. i'm pretty much for never deleting posts
Jun 17th 2020
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Up
Jun 28th 2021
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MEAT
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1. "How do you say "go fuck yourself" in gibberish?"
In response to Reply # 0
Fri Jun-02-17 10:11 PM by MEAT

  

          

Habitual line stepping asshole
BLM done more for the culture than your natty head having ass could dream up.

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denny
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24. "Line stepping?"
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Sun Jun-04-17 02:28 AM by denny

          

You should be aware that this line that exists in your head does not exist in mine.

I found this on the BLM website:

http://sentencingproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Black-Lives-Matter.pdf

That is really good work. But what I'm seeing is that legitimate work like this is taking a backseat to issues that are sexier and issues that don't concern the majority of the black population. Like whether the police are allowed to march in a gay pride parade. Or white university professors staying home for a day of absence. Or whether we should ban the use of the word 'Phenotype'.

I think it's fair to say that BLM leadership is outta touch with common black people. Their agenda is skewed towards the experience of middle-class, privileged university students who have a post-modern Marxist worldview. This is not a common idealogy in black communities. The friction between BLM and other factions of the Ferguson protests seemed to be the first sign of this...at least that I'm aware of. I'm suggesting that this divide is growing.

  

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MEAT
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27. "Your "validation" of blackness or black effectiveness is toothless"
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Sun Jun-04-17 10:18 PM by MEAT

  

          

You don't have the range. That's why you type this shit up on message boards and then hide behind kids you help raise or kids in the neighborhood.

You ain't in the organization. You ain't going to the meetings. Your broke ass ain't donating money. You ain't volunteering. You ain't no kind of role model. Little black kids and black youths of the world don't see their reflection in you.

So save your links. Save your paragraphs. Write them in a journal, so you can self flagellate over your own words.

You're a know nothing with a high school level grasp of the English language. But keep telling yourself that you criticizing black culture and black people more than you do your own race is helping the world. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

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denny
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28. "..."
In response to Reply # 27
Mon Jun-05-17 06:16 AM by denny

          

I have a high school level grasp of the human language. I wish I could write better. I write like a robot.

I honestly don't know what you mean by validation of blackness or black effectiveness. I wonder if it's fair to say that you assume I'm seeking validation (whether I'm aware of it or not) and I assume I am not. It's not particularly clear to me...but my best guess is something to the effect of 'Denny thinks he's got a pass but he doesn't'. But I don't subscribe to the notion of racial 'passes' in the first place. I think there might be something similar in 'line-stepping' which presumes you set the rules and I have broken them. I don't know your rules and I don't think you set them without my input. At least not if those rules carry any significance. It shouldn't be surprising to you that I object to a relationship dynamic between us that suggests, before anything else, a power hierarchy in which I am seeking validation from you.

Not much else to respond to except for this:

'But keep telling yourself that you criticizing black culture and black people more than you do your own race is helping the world.'

I'm criticizing the post-modernist bedrock of their philosophical approach. I'm guessing we disagree on who's being the aggressor here. In my perspective...I'm not attacking 'black people and culture'....I'm counter-attacking a post-modernist activist culture that is taking giant axe swings at the foundations of our society. They say scientific fields like Biology are racist. They say that logic and reason are nothing but tools to maintain white supremacy. Well I think those things are worth defending.

And I don't want to be cheap here....but the co-founder of BLM Toronto publically stated through social media that 'whiteness is not human. Whiteness is sub-human. Therefor, white people are genetic defects' I could go on and it gets worse. Do you honestly think it's unreasonable for people to push back against that? That the virtue of 'not criticizing black people' (lol) supercedes one's right to be identified as human (not sub-human)? What does that pro and con list look like?

'Hmmm on the one hand...I really, really don't want to be sub-human. On other hand, I've never felt comfortable criticizing a black person.'





  

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MEAT
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33. "It's obvious neither of us cares about what the other is typing "
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But I feel I owe it to MY culture, MY race, MY people that every time you come through typitty typing about us to let you know that you don't have the depth or the range.

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39. "smh"
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You don't approve of an individual white person criticizing an individual black person regardless of context. So it would seem that in order for us to see eye to eye I would have to be a masochist of sorts.

  

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42. "You. Not an individual white person. You specifically. "
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Mon Jun-05-17 10:07 AM by MEAT

  

          

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2. "dude woke up last week and decided he wanted to start some shit"
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and he's going to act like someone with his background and intelligence doesn't know what a jackass he's being by courting the media.

he could have just ignored it, the way poc are expected to ignore shit that annoys them all the time. he could have dealt with the people he disagreed with personally. he chose to make it about him.

  

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3. "No. "
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The Day of Absence, as it was originally known, began in the 1970s when Faculty member Maxine Mimms, inspired by the play, approached administrator Stone Thomas about the idea of joining with other faculty and staff of color in spending a work day away from campus as a grassroots collective action. In the decades following, Day of Absence grew to become an opportunity for all students, faculty and staff at Evergreen to explore and celebrate the richness of our diversity by facilitating conversations about issues of difference. In 1992, Day of Presence was added in order to reunite the college community and honor diversity and unity as a whole campus.


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So a day that's centered around a safe space for minority STUDENTS needs to bend around the whims and provocations of a single white ADULT. Fuck that.

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http://evergreen.edu/multicultural/day-of-absence-day-of-presence

Folks are so willing to throw their hands up because they wouldn't do something. At what point do we defend and protect our youth?

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5. "i know the story. the white dude did wake up one day"
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and decide to start some shit. he didn't have a reasonable response to a movement that had thought through a natural progression from their historical activities on campus.

and furthermore, when he started shit, he expected the administration to back his privileged b.s. and he's pissed because the president wasn't about that.

  

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6. "like literally, he decided to get posting on twitter "
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and didn't even make it a month before he felt the need to seek out more platforms.

i hope my midlife crisis doesn't look like this.

  

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7. "I thought you were riding with Denny. My fault. "
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4. "A quote:"
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Fri Jun-02-17 11:03 PM by MEAT

  

          

Weinstein told organizers of the event, “On a college campus, one’s right to speak — or to be — must never be based on skin color.”
Said the white man.

http://www.theroot.com/racial-tensions-escalate-on-campus-of-a-public-universi-1795777889

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8. "What is your point?"
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Is his statement wrong because he's white?

Do you think the fact that he's white means he cannot believe the statement?

I'm baffled by anyone disagreeing with this guy.


  

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9. "I do. I think he's wrong as fuck. "
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And he sounds whiny. Everything doesn't need to be centered around the white male ideal world.
The same way you can't see how people aren't siding with him is the same way that I feel about people who aren't willing to acknowledge the inequalities of the existence of non white non male individuals.
There's certain things that are all encompassing and there's certain things that aren't. That's ok.

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10. "Why did you make the "non-male" distinction?"
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>The same way you can't see how people aren't siding with him
>is the same way that I feel about people who aren't willing
>to acknowledge the inequalities of the existence of non white
>non male individuals.


Black men are most likely to be poor, incarcerated,
killed by cops when unarmed, etc. The racialized
male is white patriarchy's prime target, and the
empirical data bears that out. Being Black and
male is a double threat and comes with a stack
of inequalities equal (or greater) to that of
any other group in a white supremacist patriarchy.
Rape myth since slavery's end, KKK resurgence around
that concept, white feminism bolstered around the same
concept, etc etc etc ad infinitum

That said, I don't disagree with your overall
point, but this notion that Black men are privileged
is ridiculous and deserves to be challenged any
time it's even hinted at.

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MEAT
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11. "Because #youoksis is full of black men stories"
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Yeah in the world we're fucked over. But we don't get to hold the exclusivity of needing our own space. Our struggles aren't all the same and this isn't the oppression Olympics. Things don't needed to be always fully inclusive. I stand by that even when I'm excluded.

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Boogie Stimuli
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22. "Is this story about a "day of absence" for white ppl or something else?"
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>Yeah in the world we're fucked over. But we don't get to hold
>the exclusivity of needing our own space. Our struggles aren't
>all the same and this isn't the oppression Olympics. Things
>don't needed to be always fully inclusive. I stand by that
>even when I'm excluded.


Again, I don't disagree, but what does that have
to do with this story? Maybe I'm missing something
here. No snark.


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MiracleRic
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140. "same here"
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Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

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12. "RE: I do. I think he's wrong as fuck. "
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But Weinstein (the main subject of this controversy) hasn't failed to acknowledge anything. He is a person who believes in the inequalities of which you speak. He just simply doesn't believe that said inequalities make it just to call for whites to leave campus involuntarily, or be shamed for not doing so. That's literally it.

And in reaction, the illiberal left wing nutjobs at his college stalked and harrassed him.

And in public college assemblies in the aftermath, which were open forums for students to be heard, these nutjobs shouted down fellow students as they approached the mic, yelling "no whites!"

This is the reality of the situation. The immoral actors in this case are black left wing activists (and their allies). We can't be morally blind to this.

  

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13. "Who's we? Post a pic"
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14. "Your foundation is weak."
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15. "Got it. Sit this one out Greg"
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16. ""No whites!" - MEAT"
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Glad we could settle which immoral acts from this story you agree with, even if you lack the spine to come right out and say so.

  

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17. "This you? 4. "For what it's worth""
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=12695053&mesg_id=12695053&listing_type=search#12695448

4. "For what it's worth"


A few thoughts that are maybe just stating the obvious on the defensive posture of discourse on "community deficiencies" that being black seems to necessitate:

>>>>>As a white man, if I think about "our issues" I'm often thinking about issues that I really don't consider specific to whites;


their universality is a given to me and I may just not have experienced them among non whites due to lack of knowledge on my part, or the current social structure not allowing them to be embodied by other races. The fact for example that there is white privilege and certain behaviors accompanying it doesn't mean that demonstrations of privilege by a similar dominant class of non whites would be radically different. They might be different in surface ways to do with culture, etc. but for a dominant class to take privileges is human nature in my view.

The same is true for an underclass. The issues of the black community aren't issues that would be intrinsic to black people in absolutely any circumstances. This is obvious unless you are a racist. You transplant people with white skin into the same circumstance you have the same outcome.

However, there are certain circumstances of the black predicament that reflect the operation of bad universal human impulses, in this case within black people, which are due to black circumstance more harmful in their outcomes. Think about the universal human trait of adolescent irresponsibility. A white adolescent person experiencing the same negative moment will have a better outcome. This is among other things what it means to be privileged.

When it comes to public discourse about our mistakes, I see the defensive posture of statements like, "don't make proper corrective prescriptions to billboard" as perfectly understandable (though possibly not optimal). If a white person laments some trait of young people in general, there is nobody to exploit this info; therefore the message if accurate is entirely constructive.



This is a really tough problem to solve; it's not easy


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This you?:
Why can't black would be constructive prescribers like Kendrick speak to all youth? Surely there are whites experiencing whatever deficiencies he's describing. If Kendrick said, "kids these days don't respect themselves," would this make sense? If not, it's not because of vast differences between young people. Hmm


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Feel free to shed your white tears wherever you like. Mock me however makes you feel good. I'm good here. You can't goad me into feeling a like of empathy or sympathy for you or your folks. Can't bait me into a discussion.

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18. "We gon be alright"
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"Feel free to shed your white tears wherever you like. Mock me however makes you feel good. I'm good here. You can't goad me into feeling a like of empathy or sympathy for you or your folks. Can't bait me into a discussion."

  

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19. "I'm glad you could get to the bottom of the real issue"
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Thanks for navigating us right past (without comment) the distracting triviality of students calling for race-based prohibitions from campus and from speaking at assemblies, to the real scandal: that I as a white man said "we" while referring to a multiracial group.

Is it too late to make MEAT the next Dalai Lama?

  

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20. "You'll live. Go play Bocce, it's Saturday. "
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Peace.

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21. "LOL"
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>Peace.

Same to you.

  

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23. "What do you mean by 'starting some shit'?"
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He's an intellectual addressing an intellectual issue.

Why should he ignore it? He was invited to take part in a political act and he sent out an email expressing why he choose not to participate and why he disagreed with this particular act. Expressing opinions on social issues is a huge part of his job.

And courting the media is EXACTLY what we need to do about the current idealogical trends on college campuses. The more the general public becomes aware of what's happening....the quicker this madness can be reversed or corrected.

  

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25. "RE: What do you mean by 'starting some shit'?"
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They seized control of the school and held faculty members involuntarily in a board room with stacked furniture blocking the doors. But HE's the one starting shit? And he should just 'ignore' them?

  

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78. "RE: What do you mean by 'starting some shit'?"
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>He's an intellectual addressing an intellectual issue.

he's making an issue of something he's not terribly invested in. he's not really dealing with it intellectually, or he would have stepped back before becoming so personally involved. that's the whole point of their suggestion. white people were okay with letting poc go off campus and do poc things but it wasn't having the desired impact on improving campus life. the event was an invitation for white people to own the situation on campus.

and again, context. this dude 1) has been at evergreen for years, and this can't be his first rodeo with campus activism 2) did clearly seek out more outlets for expression and attention in the month leading up to this.

>Why should he ignore it? He was invited to take part in a
>political act and he sent out an email expressing why he
>choose not to participate and why he disagreed with this
>particular act. Expressing opinions on social issues is a
>huge part of his job.

cmon.

>And courting the media is EXACTLY what we need to do about the
>current idealogical trends on college campuses. The more the
>general public becomes aware of what's happening....the
>quicker this madness can be reversed or corrected.

"the general public" you're referring to only wants to be involved so much as they can mock judgy edits. it's a biased group that has started to demand state legislatures make cuts and stipulations to punish schools for politics they deem inappropriate. that doesn't seem to be you, but that's who you're with on this.

if people want to be involved, i'm sure they can find ways to hook up with their local campuses. my college had lots of service learning, lifelong learning, and performances that were open to locals/neighbors. seriously, get to know college students. they're okay, certainly not deranged.

  

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26. "RE: Black lives matter at Evergreen College"
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A portion of what I attempted to write in the OP didn't get posted due to me being technologically inept. In anycase...here's some of the footage that was uploaded to youtube by the protesters. My teens showed this stuff to my SO and I....They thought it was hilarious. We were very disturbed. We're so lucky that our teens don't subscribe to this stuff. I've been defending BLM to my whole family for a couple years now...but I think they've finally persuaded me.

Here's some footage:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bO1agIlLlhg

at the 3 minute mark....a young woman asks 'Is there any black folks that need water in here?' It's become a running joke in my house this weekend. 'Do any of the black people want orange juice with their pancakes?' Apparently there were signs at the meeting stating that the drinks and food and chairs were for black people and that white people were encouraged to stand in the back. Smh. Also, the basic lack of respect for elders (a value that I think usually runs much stronger amongst black youth in general) is appalling. These kids literally need a spanking.

At the 4:50 mark a young woman says (to the white president of the school) 'You're speaking to your ancestor. We've been here before you. We built these cities. We had civilization way before you had...coming out your caves'.

Here's Bret Weinstein speaking with angry protesters outside his classroom:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTnDpoQLNaY

One thing that should be pointed out....several students (non-protesters) have said that the 'Day of Absence' has been misreported. The activist groups at Evergreen had been objecting to his lectures prior to his email about 'Day of Absence'. He's a biologist and there's an idealogical war happening between the biology departments and the protest groups. Put simply....the post-modernists claim that the foundation of western biology is racist, sexist and homophobic.

In reality, barely anyone stayed home and the ones who did were almost exclusively in the humanities departments. Makes Weinstein look questionable imo. He never shares that in his news interviews which makes him look like a fear-mongerer. I agree with Weinstein's email....but it's kinda unethical to go on Foxnews and portray the day of absence without acknowledging that it's not a school-wide major event. I support his email and I agree with his idealogical opposition to the event...but he shouldn't omit the information that this was a smaller-scaled event that most people just ignored without repercussion.

Here's an hour of footage of the emergency meeting called after protesters shut down Weinstein's class and security was called:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3CRVLVGa5E

I watched the whole hour and was in shock. I think I might have been traumatized lol. And if I was ever cornered by a group like this and they started doing that snapping thing while one of them lectured me....Man, that snapping thing is the most effective shit they do. My face would turn beet red. I doubt I could even formulate a cohesive argument while they're snapping.

I see this stuff as a father. Our oldest teens went to trade schools and still ran into some of this stuff. They're already finished...but they're very resistant to this stuff anyways. Our other daughter is a bit more agreeable with protest groups and she's gonna start university in 2 years, most likely take a social science. She looks up to the older one though...so I'm trusting that she'll help guide her away from that stuff. Watching her in a group like this snapping is the stuff of nightmares.

Here's the protesters seizing the President of the school's office:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPZ8SXQBqvg

Perhaps the worst of them all. Demanding that their assignment due-dates be postponed because they are there, holding the president of the school hostage, 'on their own time' lol. Eating pizza and tweeting and making fun of an elder. Disgusting. I'd rather catch my kids smoking crack than see them participate in a video like that.

Here's footage after the students seized control of a college building and barricaded the doors with furniture. They gathered faculty members into a boardroom under guard and told them they were not allowed to leave the room:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Msfsp5Ofz4g

At the 5 minute mark...my soul dies a little bit. The president of the school asks the protest organizer if he can pee. He's told to hold it.

Oh man oh man oh man I wish I was there. I've only REALLY layed into our teens on 2 or 3 occasions. The biggest one wasn't even one of ours. It was this kid living with us for a few months. I planned that episode for a couple days with his mom. Brought him to his mother's house and just broke. him. down. I love this kid but it was necessary. And y'know...i really look at that experience as deeply spiritual and I'm not a spiritual person in any regard. It was like a ritual....like expelling the boy so the man can emerge....but having to kinda bring the boy out so he could be transformed. I would never tell the other teens what happened because it's deeply personal. It went on for hours and it was like the lecture made him regress to a baby. I could literally see the 2 year old boy in his face and the dude is 6'7. He smashed his laptop into pieces and just had the biggest cry. Like one being held back for years. But it's the putting back together after you break someone down.

That happened last summer and he's now an assistant manager at a nice restaurant. That day changed his life. He goes to the gym, plays basketball, works and most importantly, helps his mom who has health problems. This dude had found new ways to manipulate his surroundings to accommodate his laziness. Boys need men and they need to be held to standard. I'm admittedly ranting...but that's what I think of when I see this stuff. At the end of the day....these are kids and it's not their fault that their teachers are poisoning their minds with this garbage. I'd love the opportunity to sit down with kids like this one on one and plant seeds of doubt in their worldviews. I think the key to it is gratitude. You HAVE to be grateful for something. That gives you motivation. Without gratitude, we become narcissistic and are incapable of setting goals and completing accomplishments.

I also think we're on the cusp of change in these trends. I predict in 5 years from now....these idealogies and more specifically, protest culture, will be extremely out of fashion. So much so...I think we can expect a very unpleasant backlash that outright dismisses even the fruitful aspects of post-modernism. Pragmatism for example.

  

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29. "I came checking for an evergreen college post but you Bamma'd"
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it up from the OP with the needless BLM shots Denny.


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31. "White people love telling black people how to be. "
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Biggest troll job on this site is of a white man and a failure constantly telling black people what they need to do.
Most of them are self aware to troll twitter, Reddit , and Chan but this loser is so lacking in self awareness that he posts paragraphs and EXPECTS to be listened to.

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32. "^^^^"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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34. "I hear you but them Evergreen kids are obnoxious and appear"
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majority white (based on the footage I've seen and given it's location, but I could be wrong).





>Biggest troll job on this site is of a white man and a
>failure constantly telling black people what they need to do.
>
>Most of them are self aware to troll twitter, Reddit , and
>Chan but this loser is so lacking in self awareness that he
>posts paragraphs and EXPECTS to be listened to.


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35. "what's the actual breakdown of this story? "
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no spin, just the facts.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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36. "Post four"
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41. "thx"
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I was looking for this:

Since the 1970s, Evergreen has held the annual demonstration, which is inspired by a play and meant to give students of color an opportunity to highlight their importance through their absence on campus, and give them a chance to gather to discuss racial issues.

Weinstein told organizers of the event, “On a college campus, one’s right to speak — or to be — must never be based on skin color.”

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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50. "No."
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They switched up the policy this year and 'invited' white students and professors to stay home from school and work. The biology teacher wrote an email explaining why he would be attending work that day. Then they marched on his classroom, demanded his resignation and later demanded the university terminate him.

It didn't happen in a vacuum though. There was already friction between the protesters and Weinstein leading up to this (which I pointed out as being a pretty good sign that Weinstein has his own possible integrity flaws). He's an evolutionary biology prof. And evolutionary biology is racist and a tool used to maintain white supremacy.

  

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38. "Like there can be no spin. LOL. "
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Everyone's got a point of view which someone else can call spin.

if you trust the washington post, they have a history of the turmoil.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2017/06/02/evergreen-state-caught-up-in-racial-turmoil-remains-closed-friday-after-threat-of-violence/?utm_term=.4ad13f0cbbc4





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40. "I meant your breakdown... I'm not trying to read all that right now"
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37. "They could be 1000% wrong (they're not) and denny still shouldn't speak"
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On them. He don't come in here posting novellettes on the failings of white losers and druggies. Nah. He always coming around talking about what black people should do. So fuck him every time. Without exception


Add that on to the fact that the dude didn't even make a post on the college. He titled it about the college incident then used his whole initial post to ramble about modernity and why he's lost respect for BLM while also questioning why he had any in the first place. Nah.

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43. "They could publically claim I'm sub-human and a genetic defect"
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And I STILL shouldn't say anything.

  

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45. "I would whistle to the beat of your tear drops. "
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44. "OK, I am black. So now that we got your authenticity test out the"
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way. explain to my why it's a good idea for a public institution to tell white people to not show up on campus or what's offensive about the statement "one’s right to speak — or to be — must never be based on skin color.”?



>On them. He don't come in here posting novellettes on the
>failings of white losers and druggies. Nah. He always coming
>around talking about what black people should do. So fuck him
>every time. Without exception
>
>
>Add that on to the fact that the dude didn't even make a post
>on the college. He titled it about the college incident then
>used his whole initial post to ramble about modernity and why
>he's lost respect for BLM while also questioning why he had
>any in the first place. Nah.


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46. "It's not an authenticity test. This wasn't about generic white people. "
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I believe in answered your question earlier because someone else asked it.

But to be specific. It's ok to exclude the dominate majority on occasions in support of the minority. I'm ok with LGBTQ only parties, women only showings of WW, Black only BLM meetings etc.

White people only talk about inclusion when they're the ones excluded. It's a dishonest premise. So I'm not gonna sit here and type up hypotheticals in a world that doesn't exist. Campuses have their own missions and cultures. This school chose something and has been running with it since the 70s. I'm willing to bet it's had loads of benefit. So it should be stopped now? Because why? It should change its mission now? Because why?


White culture fights against and derides inclusivity and diversity at every gate. At some point an individual minority has to look within themself and both acknowledge that keeping to ones own when needed is a form of self care and also that those that seek to deny them that don't deny themselves that.

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47. "Ok but you do so the difference between voluntarily associations"
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and government (Public School) telling students they can't be on government facilities based on race?

And you are misrepresenting the idea that they have been doing this since the 70s. The day of absence of POCs not showing up on campus has been going on for a few years I gather and I can support that but the day of exclusion telling white people they shouldn't show up is new (though I will give that I not fully aware what the idea or plan behind it is because none of it makes any sense).

At any rate, this all sounds like kids with too much navel gazing and time on their hands. Whatever "oppression" these kids think they are suffering I am sure down the road there is really some poor neighborhood that could use these kids energy to draw attention to real issues of oppressions.

If they think Bret Weinstein is their problem then I think they are living incredibly sheltered lives.

>I believe in answered your question earlier because someone
>else asked it.
>
>But to be specific. It's ok to exclude the dominate majority
>on occasions in support of the minority. I'm ok with LGBTQ
>only parties, women only showings of WW, Black only BLM
>meetings etc.
>
>White people only talk about inclusion when they're the ones
>excluded. It's a dishonest premise. So I'm not gonna sit here
>and type up hypotheticals in a world that doesn't exist.
>Campuses have their own missions and cultures. This school
>chose something and has been running with it since the 70s.
>I'm willing to bet it's had loads of benefit. So it should be
>stopped now? Because why? It should change its mission now?
>Because why?
>
>
>
>


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48. "RE: Ok but you do so the difference between voluntarily associations"
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>If they think Bret Weinstein is their problem then I think
>they are living incredibly sheltered lives.

They
Are
In
College


Bret Weinstein isn't the problem, but he's chosen to be the avatar of future problems they'll face. I'm proud that they're fighting and standing up for themselves. They'll learn from this and either grow or fail. But they should be encouraged for taking a stand and protecting their interests.

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51. "why can't kids in college protest shit on campus? "
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why aren't they ha;f way around the world doing more with their time?

gotta love old heads. Acting like they never went to college and lived in a bubble.

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52. "That they are in college is kind of the point of why they shouldn't"
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be calling the shots.

It was kind of pathetic to watch the President of the school cater to these spoiled kids. I kind of envisioned in my head them trying this at a HBCU and getting shut all the way down.

Bret Weinstein didnt choose to be the avatar of future problems they'll face. They choose BW as the avatar of the problems they are facing now and if they think that's representative of the world then they are in for a rude awakening.

It seems kind of cavalier to take the approach well they will either learn or fail from this but I would take the position that because there are so many cameras and eyes on these kids these kids are going to be hurt pretty badly if someone doesn't try to teach them how to handle themselves and make change happens.

The school should be invested in whether they grow and try to stop them from failing in such a public manner. If these kids are of the opinion that white folks can't tell them nothing then they probably at the wrong school going to some white school in Olympia, Washington. SMH.

>
>>If they think Bret Weinstein is their problem then I think
>>they are living incredibly sheltered lives.
>
>They
>Are
>In
>College
>
>
>Bret Weinstein isn't the problem, but he's chosen to be the
>avatar of future problems they'll face. I'm proud that they're
>fighting and standing up for themselves. They'll learn from
>this and either grow or fail. But they should be encouraged
>for taking a stand and protecting their interests.


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54. "Meh. "
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The system is broken. Make demands until it works for you. Anything less is a waste of time.

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49. "Additionally this government has never been a neutral actor"
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So I'm not about to sit here and get into the public property issues or things of that nature. This government has always protected white interests above all else, including rationality. So any rights and laws that you can leverage in an argument for why they're wrong are counterbalanced for how they're even in that situation in the first place.

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53. "what were you doing in college Buddy? GTFOH bruh... "
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stop acting like you spent your college days solving world hunger.

college campus life is their world. Of course they have been sheltered.

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55. "Dumb shit, which gives me special insight into seeing dumb shit."
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>stop acting like you spent your college days solving world
>hunger.
>
>college campus life is their world. Of course they have been
>sheltered.


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56. "Better to do your dumb shit early. "
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There's a half a country of 40 year olds acting out their dumb shit right now. Like there's a commercial that's marketed to four dudes trying to pole vault over a swimming pool, not because that's so hilarious ridiculous, but because that's the market.

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57. "Except pole-vaulters aren't motivated by a hate-based idealogy."
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The foolish things I did in school didn't advocate hate against racial groups or gender groups or sexual preference groups.

  

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62. "You'll live white man. "
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63. "This kids aren't advocating hate. They are being short-sighted"
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Self-absorbed and throwing temper tantrums which ultimately undermines the cause...but I wouldn't say they are promoting hate.


>The foolish things I did in school didn't advocate hate
>against racial groups or gender groups or sexual preference
>groups.


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65. "Nah dude is the victim. All he can sympathize with is the white ego. "
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That's all he knows.

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84. "Tenets of Critical theory:"
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x = patriarchy
x = white supremacy
x = cisgender norms

1. Society is inherently evil because of x
2. Any argument that refutes '1' is x
3. Any contribution to society is a contribution to x

One should also note that these three distinct manifestations of the SAME idealogy are destined to attack each other. The theories are only logically cohesive in the absence of the other x'es.

  

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64. "I watched about 15 seconds of your 1st video...WTF is the connection"
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to BLM?

are you ASSuming any minority group of protesters is automatically a BLM contingent?

dude, WTF

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66. "Worse than that, he states in his original post the org has no value. "
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So he's just looking for confirmation bias.

"Here's what the think of you"

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94. "I missed this post and a chance to respond."
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I will admit that I made this post after being informed by my teens that these were BLM protests. It doesn't appear that BLM as an organization is behind these protests and I probably would have changed the OP if I had posted a day later.

But......they are wearing BLM t shirts. They are chanting 'black lives matter'. They are critical race theory students which is the bedrock of blm idealogy. And they are using the same critical race theory language in their demands and statements and talking points that black lives matter has popularized and imported to the mainstream from academia.

Are you really this incredulous that I'm drawing an idealogical connection between these protests and BLM? I mean...I'm open to any arguments you have that differentiate the agenda of these protests from blm. What's the idealogical difference? I'm mostly familiar with blm toronto and they have publically supported these protests.

  

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103. "I stopped reading at 'I was misinformed' (c) Denny"
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If I wear a public enemy t-shirt and chant fight the power

It doesn't make me an S1W

Carry on.

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104. "What exactly is your pont?"
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How would you characterize this protest? They're not adherents to BLM? They're not SJW's? Would they object to an association with BLM? Would BLM object to an association with them?

This was an organized, sanctioned protest. They weren't just hanging out. Is there a specific idealogical difference between BLM and these Evergreen protestors you can provide? I'm willing to listen to any claims I'm mischaracterizing BLM and that they do not follow the same underlying principles as these Evergreeners.

  

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141. "the point is that you're constantly off base looking for confirmation"
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i don't even agree with MEAT about this particular instance

this isn't a problem with BLM or any org...it's a problem with society being fucked for...ever...and hyper-sensitivity and knee-jerk social media activists and for-profit university intellectuals being morons...

bias is a bitch and everyone is sleeping with her too often

this is just a case of a teacher looking for a platform to an ideal that is ineffective and a students being hyper-reactionary about it

all that needed to happen was acknowledge his point but counter it with further reasoning...it's that simple but that's not how things are done...that's also never been proven effective either...but whatevs...my apathy is firmly rooted in how unreasonable and unredeemable most people are

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30. "Denny, stop stroking yourself. "
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58. "I'll cop to being self-congratulatory in tone."
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But my SO and I really think we've cracked the code. I'm not sure if it's specific to this generation and this particular idealogical climate.

We actually wrote a list of all the teenagers that we know and/or interact with. You could draw a direct parallel between the role of gratitude in the worldview and their prospects for success. You'll note that in my long rant I don't even allude to race that much. I'm focused on the basis of their idealogy....not their actual agenda. And the troika of post-modern Marxist identities are based on racism (critical race theory), sexism (woman's studies) and homo/transphobia (gender studies). It just happens to be that the majority of young people we know are straight black males so CRT are the main culprit with them.

Smart, intelligent kids are idealogical blank slates. SOMEONE is going to start writing on that blank slate. If that someone teaches the student to be primarily angry at our society at the expense of gratitude...they are literally sabotaging that student's future success. It's not a sample size worthy of academic scrutiny but it's enough to convince us. ALL the young people we know that are starting little businesses or excelling at schools and employment opportunities ignore or openly disagree with these idealogies. All the wayward youth we know that are undependable, wishy-washy and unfocused are immersed in these idealogies. There are no exceptions. Even if one did not object to post-modern marxism based on idealogical flaws....they should certainly do so on a pragmatic level when considering their own teenagers.

This shit does not equip young people for success. And the only way to reverse a young person from this path is to instill a sense of gratitude. If you think our society is inherently evil...you are destined to live on the fringes of it. Who wants that for their kids? And I'm not just talking about material success for these teens. I'm also talking about self-fulfillment. Gratitude is the first step. For their mentors, for the elders, for technology, for societal progress, for their priviliges. You show me a teen, regardless of group status, who claims to be unprivileged and oppressed (because that's what they're being taught).... and I'll show you someone without a future. I'm passionate about this because I truly think this is the most important thing we've learned about nurturing teenagers at this time.

  

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59. "It's no measure of health to be well-adjusted to a profoundly sick socie..."
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(c) Jiddu Krishnamurti


Welcome to how the system of white supremacy works,
Denny. Sherrif David Clark is rewarded whereas
MLK is killed... because he challenged the society
in which he lived rather than be comfortable with
the sickness of it (and no, not the 'love everybody'
version of MLK white folks tell you about, but the
anti-capitalist, anti-war MLK who demanded Black ppl
be compensated). This is a large part of the
reason you can't talk anti-racism with any modicum
of gravity, because you can't possibly comprehend
sacrificing your life for it. Of course the system
rewards those who don't challenge it. This is why
alleged anti-racist "academia" is full of either white
authors or black writers who don't want to offend
them. This is why entertainers don't speak out, etc.
This is nothing new... it's literally been happening
since slavery

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60. "RE: It's no measure of health to be well-adjusted to a profoundly sick s..."
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If you work for a business (or go to a school) that you think is inherently evil....and depending on your group status....is inherently racist or sexist or homo/transphobic....then you are overwhelmingly less likely to succeed in that job. This isn't idealogical. It's real.

  

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61. "Also wanted to say...."
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I would follow this same principle if i was hypothetically mentoring a 19 year old kid who believed in black nationalism. (obviously wouldn't happen in the first place) But hypothetically speaking, if his sense of gratitude was exclusively centered on black activism and it's histroy.....then by principle, my suggested approach would call for the encouragement of pursuing a career in black activism.

A complete lack of gratitude in ANYTHING will produce the worst result. If there's a limited range of gratitude than the student should follow that narrow range. The best outcome from a parental point of view is that our youth set a broad range of gratitude but that's obviously utopian. I'm trying to say...when we're trying to help the 'lost cases'.....we have to identify their narrow gratitude range and re-enforce it by constructing decisions that maximize success probability. Also, narrow gratitude ranges aren't to be confused as inherently undesirable. Intensity of gratitude is also a factor. If someone can be intensely grateful to a small subset of outlets...they sometimes can benefit from having a narrow career path. All efforts focused on the same goals.

  

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132. "Your refined racism is all too obvious to me, denny."
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I said I don't converse with you anymore,
but I'll address this since this post won't
go away.

Your idea isn't to help those children to have
gratitude. Your main goal is to get them to
stop focusing on Critical Race Theory, and it's
very obvious why you'd want to for anyone who
truly understands what Critical Race Theory is
all about. CRT deals with the possibility that
racism/white supremacy may be a permanent factor
in our society and that we have to formulate a
plan that prepares us to deal with this reality.
Ultimately, it leaves no place for YOU as a
white person, because how would you continue to
be an influential presence in the lives of Black
people who have a realistic understand of how
racism works on the social level? You couldn't,
and that scares you as someone who relies on the
naivety of Black people to be the boyfriend, mentor
and step-parent who subtly seeks ways to de-radicalize
their views. It's not lost on me that all of your
views lead to that. You've fooled a few, but all
of us aren't so slow. You know what you're doing,
and I know you know.

Beyond that, this ridiculousness you're talking about
Critical Race Theory being detrimental is some of THE
most offensive mess I've ever heard, considering it's
one of the most important disciplines to emerge in
the last 15 yrs. It's disrespect to the late great
Derrick Bell (who happened to be a very "successful"
person) and all others who've contributed to the
founding of the discipline. So telling that you
ignore all of the professors who founded and contribute
to it in your effort to demonize it. Black professors
have pointed out how hard it is for Black professors
to change the climate at universities due to the fact that
they have to go through white people who only want to
be told that they're good people instead of hearing
honest critiques of racism. So is going along with
that kind of flow what you're considering "success"?
That is the fundamental flaw in what you're saying.
"Success" for Black people in many ways and areas
is predicated upon how willing they are to go along
with a system which fundamentally opposes us and our
will to speak honestly about our experience of said
system. Instead of vowing to help dismantle that system
by succumbing to the same odds, you're just saying
"these black people oughta stop being aware of how
the system works." This is why I said in the other
post that you're the equivalent of the slave-master
who didn't want slaves to read, because knowledge
created unhappy slaves. It is the exact same concept.


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142. "^^^"
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67. "Do you have kids? It's hard to imagine a person with children 9edit)"
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sincerely believing this. I say that because all parents at the end of the day want their kids to be happy well adjusted people...even in a fcuked world.

You express a certain miserableness that you never witness as part of the Civil Rights Movement leadership dealing with issues far greater than the issues we are dealing with today.

This goes back to my Black Optimism versus Black Denial post and the third leg of that triumvirate is Black Nihilism which I don't think does any good for anyone.


>(c) Jiddu Krishnamurti
>
>
>Welcome to how the system of white supremacy works,
>Denny. Sherrif David Clark is rewarded whereas
>MLK is killed... because he challenged the society
>in which he lived rather than be comfortable with
>the sickness of it (and no, not the 'love everybody'
>version of MLK white folks tell you about, but the
>anti-capitalist, anti-war MLK who demanded Black ppl
>be compensated). This is a large part of the
>reason you can't talk anti-racism with any modicum
>of gravity, because you can't possibly comprehend
>sacrificing your life for it. Of course the system
>rewards those who don't challenge it. This is why
>alleged anti-racist "academia" is full of either white
>authors or black writers who don't want to offend
>them. This is why entertainers don't speak out, etc.
>This is nothing new... it's literally been happening
>since slavery
>


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70. "There is nothing nihilistic about facing reality."
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As a matter of fact, whatever meaning one
ascribes to a life not based in reality is
ultimately misguided.

The fact that you assume nihilism based on
a drive to see an end to these ridiculous
incarceration, death and poverty rates simply
speaks to the weakness of your own character.

I understand tho. It's difficult to face reality
for many people. Just don't come for me for being
stronger than that.

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72. "You are the epitome of dorm room activism. LOL. "
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In this post trying to spit all this knowledge but I can't forget that other post where you were warning other folks not to talk back or Sass a white woman.

Talk all that talk but when it came down to a real life situation you were on some driving miss daisy shit in that "My Father Has Many Mansions" post. And got the nerve to talk about being "stronger". SMH.


Like you the only one against mass incarceration, high poverty rates, etc. GTFOHWTBS.

Miss me with the lectures and the tough talk.



>As a matter of fact, whatever meaning one
>ascribes to a life not based in reality is
>ultimately misguided.
>
>The fact that you assume nihilism based on
>a drive to see an end to these ridiculous
>incarceration, death and poverty rates simply
>speaks to the weakness of your own character.
>
>I understand tho. It's difficult to face reality
>for many people. Just don't come for me for being
>stronger than that.


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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73. "And you kick it in your racist white neighbor's house then cry to us"
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when she blogs about her racism.
You're here to troll like I figured.
This isn't the first time you've tried to
crowbar a past post into a current one when
they don't fit.
It also isn't the first time you've done it
at the defense of a white person bashing black ppl
But you wanna talk about how rah rah YOU are
when your actions demonstrate a tapdance mentality
even when cops AREN'T present.
I say stand up and know when the battle is over.
You say tapdance all day with your racist white
neighbor and be shocked she's racist. Man stop it.

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74. "LOL. Ain't nobody cry about nothing. "
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The posts don't lie. Your shit is here. My old posts are here. You can try and say I was hurt but I know better and anyone who reads that post knows better.


Your position then and today can literally be summarized as don't talk back too much to white people is what it is. And is clown-worthy. Very sunken place.

I can stand behind everything I said in that post. Wouldn't take any of that back. You...

https://youtu.be/HJK28cWPvH4?t=44s



So every time you ever try to bring up your enlightened nature and attempt that condescending bullshit over the rest of us, I will remind you of the words you typed.






>when she blogs about her racism.
>You're here to troll like I figured.
>This isn't the first time you've tried to
>crowbar a past post into a current one when
>they don't fit.
>It also isn't the first time you've done it
>at the defense of a white person bashing black ppl
>But you wanna talk about how rah rah YOU are
>when your actions demonstrate a tapdance mentality
>even when cops AREN'T present.
>I say stand up and know when the battle is over.
>You say tapdance all day with your racist white
>neighbor and be shocked she's racist. Man stop it.


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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75. "Yeah sure. That's enough of your trolling for one day."
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Tue Jun-06-17 04:59 PM by Boogie Stimuli

          

>The posts don't lie. Your shit is here. My old posts are
>here. You can try and say I was hurt but I know better and
>anyone who reads that post knows better.


Exactly. So if you want any further
correspondence, respond with some
intelligent rebuttal to my response to
Denny instead of trolling by trying to
crowbar some old post into the
conversation.

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76. "That's just as easy. "
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Tue Jun-06-17 06:17 PM by Buddy_Gilapagos

  

          

Welcome to how the system of white supremacy works,
Denny. Sherrif David Clark is rewarded whereas
MLK is killed... because he challenged the society
in which he lived rather than be comfortable with
the sickness of it (and no, not the 'love everybody'
version of MLK white folks tell you about, but the
anti-capitalist, anti-war MLK who demanded Black ppl
be compensated).


Who the fuck thinks Sheriff David Clark is well adjusted? I've never seen a more self loathing human being (other than Clarence Thomas). Why don't you use real examples of well adjusted black people like Obama, Kamala Harris, or the Quadruplet brothers all get accepted to Harvard and Yale, or Questlove, MLK, or James Clayburn, or pick any sucessful well adjusted person you know and sak yourself are they more optimist or miserable people complaining about how unfair their life is? Are all these well adjusted successful people sellouts comfortable with the sickness of this country?

Or to put another way, if you had children, which I can assume you don't based on you dodging the question, when I first asked it, would you want them to NOT be well-adjusted?

Mind you there are plenty of well adjusted people who are advocating and agitating for change and a better fututre. The whole notion that if you are well-adjusted then you are somehow not true to the cause is some bullshit miserable people tell themselves.



This is a large part of the reason you can't talk anti-racism with any modicum
of gravity, because you can't possibly comprehend sacrificing your life for it.

And you are different? Where your receipts for you out here claiming to be ready to sacrifice yourself for the cause?

I could be wrong here and missing some epic bio of all the work you doing out here so please correct me if I am wrong. Till then I will continue to assume your contribution to the cause is lecturing people online.


Of course the system
rewards those who don't challenge it. This is why
alleged anti-racist "academia" is full of either white
authors or black writers who don't want to offend
them. This is why entertainers don't speak out, etc.
This is nothing new... it's literally been happening
since slavery



So now Toni Morrison, Alice Walker, James Baldwin and all the other black writers who taught at white schools aren't challenging the system?

Man you soo need to get off your moral high horse. Yall ninjas are the worst.

+




>>The posts don't lie. Your shit is here. My old posts are
>>here. You can try and say I was hurt but I know better and
>>anyone who reads that post knows better.
>
>
>Exactly. So if you want any further
>correspondence, respond with some
>intelligent rebuttal to my response to
>Denny instead of trolling by trying to
>crowbar some old post into the
>conversation.
>
>


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83. "I requested intelligence, but I'll respond to your attempt at it."
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First of all, you're misinterpreting the Krishnamurti
quote (you do this type of thing a lot in your attacks
of me, because it's the only way you can muster anything
remotely resembling a point).
It sounds like you're referring to the quote as
if it ends with the term "well-adjusted."
It does not.
On top of that, you're ignoring the "no measure
of health" part which makes in clear that a person
may or may not be "well-adjusted" (even if the quote
ended there), but that isn't the way health (read:
sanity) is measured.
It's crazy having to explain this to a grown man,
but then you complain that I talk down to you.
Yet you consistently ask me to do so.
You don't have to play dumb to keep up this
trolling act. You choose to.

Beyond that, I know from times you've trolled me in
the past that we have drastically different ideas
of what it means to be comfortable with the sickness
of this society, so I'll leave it up to you to
judge the mental health of all the people you named.

That renders most of your response useless, but I do
want to address one thing:

> This is a large part of the reason you can't talk anti-racism
>with any modicum
>of gravity, because you can't possibly comprehend sacrificing
>your life for it.
>
>And you are different?


There is a very important reason I said this to
denny (a white person) and not to another Black
or non-white person. The way I talk to white
people about racism is different from the way
I talk to a fellow victim about it, since I have
concluded that white people are the practitioners
thereof.
That said as a Black person and especially a Black
male in a white supremacist society, I understand
that my very life is always contingent. That's not
reality for white people in the way that it is for
Black people... some like to call it 'white privilege'
and I'll do the same here for the sake of brevity.
That is a contingency that denny neither experiences
nor is willing to understand... let alone adopt for
the sake of calling himself an "ally", and that's
why I say he has to be willing to place his life
in the balance as it is the only means of divesting
himself of his 'privilege.'
Shout out to Dr. Tommy J. Curry.

All of your interactions with me prove that you aren't
seeking any civil conversation but only to antagonize,
so I won't ask for intelligent convo again.
Rather I'll ask, any more trolling?

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71. "http://gph.is/28UVs7K"
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http://gph.is/28UVs7K

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68. "You should have lead with this and probably not tied it to Evergreen"
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I know to little about what's going on there to make a lot of judgements about the individuals in the video. Yeah they look whiny and immature but I also know this was edited together by hostile forces and wouldn't want to draw conclusions on these kids world views based solely on this footage.




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69. "When people tell you who they are believe them. "
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This won't be the first or last time he shits on BLM or black people. No amount of follow up pseudo intelligence will erase that.

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106. "When people don't signal my virtues....categorize them."
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I'm a poet too.

  

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77. "people always want to lead with this and then make it about something el..."
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claiming young people don't want to deal with reality but then not treating/imagining them as real people.

  

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85. "I tirelessly watched hours of footage."
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I provided a link to hours-long footage of campus meetings.

The more you watch the worse it gets. The edited clips are generous to the protestor's cause compared to the raw footage.

  

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79. "gratitude isn't a left problem or a campus problem or a generational pro..."
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and some of the most beautiful/deeply gracious people i can imagine have also been among the people with sharpest critiques of society.

i think the biggest issue with campus activism is that we don't always have great articulations and meaningful demonstrations, but that's not a new problem.

  

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80. "I don't think the two are mutually exclusive"
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>and some of the most beautiful/deeply gracious people i can
>imagine have also been among the people with sharpest
>critiques of society.

I wouldn't have used the term gratitude but I think I generally agree with what I think he is saying. The term that comes to mind for me is optimism. The Civil Rights Movement was always an optimistic movement that held out hope for a better future AND they critique society strongly.


>
>i think the biggest issue with campus activism is that we
>don't always have great articulations and meaningful
>demonstrations, but that's not a new problem.


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82. "I think that's a mischaracterization"
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(especially when what both of you are talking about in different ways is respectability)

calling mlk optimistic isn't really a good fit in light of how he was perceived at the time by his detractors, nor a good fit for his whole career without a good deal of historical revision....

what set him apart was his outward confidence and faith (which many people considered arrogant the way some americans considered president obama to be arrogant

you definitely couldn't call someone like james baldwin or malcolm x optimistic....they were determined and possessed of a certain conviction....but that's hopeful desperation, not optimism.

i agree that the energy of the movement is lacking today, but if anything, i do think that spirit of community and hopeful conviction is much stronger on campuses now than it was 10 or 20 years ago. and it's not the students fault when it slips...there's a lot of negativity and fake-naivete like this (and that professor) out in the culture. can't even say BLM or support environmental divestment without pushback.

  

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86. "Willfully blind statement."
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It is very clear in the actual WORDS spoken in the mission statements of right/left groups....that left groups aim to dismantle society and right groups aim to maintain it.

  

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88. "i don't follow"
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what's willfully blind? your statement doesn't seem to apply at all to the reality of right and left to me....it's just rhetoric.

the inquisition, reconquista, manifest destiny going back to colonialism and puritan ideals, jim crow, nazi appeals to the homeland, rightist regimes that have popped up all over the post-colonial world since the 70s, make america great again - it's conceptualized as maintenance, but the cost is dehumanization and destruction. MAYBE something lasting gets built, but it's really a roll of the dice, and it's always built on someone's back or someone's bones.

that isn't the same thing as this benign/culturally literate grit perspective you're trying to claim was your point re:evergreen (speaking of which, the neo-nazis have been putting in work on campus this week)

meanwhile the left has often relied on appeals to ideals and rights that are tied to national and intellectual traditions. the fucking constitution came to be 10 years after the country was founded because of a desire for a "more perfect union" ...hence a bill of rights, the 14th and 15th amendments, women's suffrage, the civil rights movement, marriage equality. the idea that the benefits we enjoy should be more broadly and more equitably applied isn't usually about dismantling. it's about trying to make something that is flawed better.

progressive implies continuity. i'm not here to argue with you about leftist movements always being the bestestest because we often see leftist movements fail to build and fail to meet the expectations of their adherents. the left has collapsed into dehumanization and destruction too.

but you've got to be more open-minded and self-aware of the statements you're making...especially since your gripe seems to be that these young people aren't behaving rationally.

  

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89. "THERE IS NOONE who has talked more about alt-right than me."
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THe mods deleted my thread aimed to educate everyone exactly what the alt-right is. You probably STILL need to know what they are.

  

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92. "i didn't say anything about the alt right. "
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96. "Dont worry Bro, he just T.U.I'n right now."
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Typing Under the Influence of Suckin His Own Dick.

T.U.I. for short©

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Afro-Americana/Afro-Caribbana/Afro-Latino unite. We are ALL Black!

  

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102. "I wasn't clear there....."
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Sat Jun-10-17 06:20 PM by denny

          

I was referring to you pointing out that nazis had been planning to act on the campus. So I inferred you were making the reasonable argument suggesting that there's much better targets to be worried about than BLM activists. My apologies if that's not what you were suggesting by including that. But it's a fair observation either way. I'm just saying I AM concerned about the alt-right's growing presence on campus and that I've spent a considerable amount of time researching them and posting about them here. The problem I see is that the alt-right is also a product of our obsession with identity politics. They are the logical consequence of identity politics gone mad and I predict their growth and relevance to be intrinsically tied to the continued growth and relevance of post-modern critical theory.

  

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91. "I'm not saying we shouldn't be critical of society."
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What I'm saying is that if you think society is inherently evil and that, depending which of the three movements you've been indoctrinated into, you think EVERYTHING is a tool for the maintenance of white supremacy or patriarchy or cisnormative culture....you are doomed to live on the fringes of society.

If you take what these activists say literally....they think of our society the way I think of Nazi Germany. I wouldn't succeed or contribute to Nazi Germany if that's where I lived. It's a worldview that sabotages you. Why would you take a job at a business you think is inherently evil? And if you do...what are your chances of succeeding there? Why do ANYTHING if you think society is inherently evil? It's a worldview that saps your soul of life. Everything is evil....everyone who doesn't realize this gets written off as complicit...and everything one does to contribute to their school, workplace or society in general makes them complicit to this evil structure of oppression.

I'm only trying to take them at their word. Think about it...they're paying tuition at a school that is an instrument of white supremacy. Their words. Who in their right mind would pay money to an institutional weapon of white supremacy? Why on earth are they not dropping out? If what they say is true...they have a MORAL OBLIGATION to not go there and not fund that institution. Again...if you actually take them for their word. Interpret them literally....they are committing a horrible offence by even attending the school.

They either don't really MEAN what they're saying....or their life is going to be empty and soulless. There's no in-between. I suspect (and hope) it's the former.

  

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93. "so your issue with them is they're prone to hyperbole?"
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and you choose to address this with the language of the original post in this thread?

  

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97. "My issue is with critical race studies."
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And by extension....critical gender studies and women's studies. All three are the exact same in my eyes so I want to make clear that on an idealogical level...I'm not trying to single out the race activists exemplified by this particular protest.

And I'll cop to getting distracted and probably spending too much time criticizing the actual students involved with this. I've been guilty of that in this thread. I havent' been as focused as I should have been. If you read post 95 below I tried to redirect my objections onto the teachers more exclusively. But I mean, it's an easy trap to fall into. Do we blame the cult leader or the cult members? Where does the accountability start and end? The students aren't children...and there's certainly a degree of ego and narcissism that they're indulging in by taking the bait. These idealogies are tempting to them in part because they are very self-serving.

But from a tactical point of view...the target should be aimed at the teachers. No doubt.

Also...I don't think my critique can be reduced to a simple claim of hyperbole. These idealogies, by definition, are all-or-nothing assertions. I fail to see how an institution can be 'sort of' a tool to sustain white supremacy. Or a campus policeman can be 'kind of' a white supremacist. And I think that's going to be a huge challenge going forward. I recognize that critical theory has some valuable analytical tools. For example, privilege rhetoric. It's an extremely valuable analytical framework. The challenge will be rescuing those worthy elements when the whole thing collapses on itself. Will the baby be thrown out with the bath water? Hard to say...but I think it's clear that the clock is ticking on this stuff. And there will be lots of victims. People will have tens of thousands of dollars in student debt and will have to hide their education credentials from their resume. How sad is that?

As this backlash grows...and more of this is exposed to the general public....businesses will not hire anyone with these credentials. These students have been trained to sue you. And it doesn't matter who you are. You could have all the right identity politics. Trans/gay/black/latino/gay....it won't matter. They have been trained for grievance and they will sue you.

  

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99. "so your issue is with the overgeneralizing of their criticisms?"
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and, for the sake of convenience, even though no one asked you to, you are having trouble because you're lumping teachers/students/activists together, along with "critical theorists" regardless of their actual field of study?

  

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101. "Every single non-Stem department has been taken over by critical theory."
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I kinda assumed you studied it. Did you? I did...but that was back in the late 90's before it went bat-shit crazy and before it swallowed up everything in it's path. So I assume you already know this (maybe someone else doesn't)....but it's more of an approach than it is a particular field of study. There's no 'critical theory' department.

So it doesn't matter what particular field of study someone is undertaking at Evergreen. If they're studying 'ethnic studies' than they are learning 'critical ethnic studies'. If they're studying 'english literature' than they are learning 'critical english literature'. It used to be that these courses were designed to explore different approaches or frameworks (usually 3). But classical approaches have been abandoned. Now it's all critical theory. It should be noted that they are attempting to infiltrate the sciences by introducing courses like 'critical biology' and 'critical physics'. That's the upcoming war of ideas alot of people are referring to. They're coming for the STEM departments next and there's be lots of talk about this. This is why we're saying phd papers entitled 'Lesbian calculus' starting to emerge.

So I'm not making a generalization. Literally every humanities and social science field of study at evergreen right now is being taught from the critical theory approach.

And honestly, we're both better than the 'noone asked you' thing.

  

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81. "I don't disagree with you but you should be careful not to sound"
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like this guy...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/quickerbettertech/2011/12/12/if-i-was-a-poor-black-kid/#36ddc492512c

>But my SO and I really think we've cracked the code. I'm not
>sure if it's specific to this generation and this particular
>idealogical climate.
>
>We actually wrote a list of all the teenagers that we know
>and/or interact with. You could draw a direct parallel
>between the role of gratitude in the worldview and their
>prospects for success. You'll note that in my long rant I
>don't even allude to race that much. I'm focused on the basis
>of their idealogy....not their actual agenda. And the troika
>of post-modern Marxist identities are based on racism
>(critical race theory), sexism (woman's studies) and
>homo/transphobia (gender studies). It just happens to be that
>the majority of young people we know are straight black males
>so CRT are the main culprit with them.
>
>Smart, intelligent kids are idealogical blank slates. SOMEONE
>is going to start writing on that blank slate. If that
>someone teaches the student to be primarily angry at our
>society at the expense of gratitude...they are literally
>sabotaging that student's future success. It's not a sample
>size worthy of academic scrutiny but it's enough to convince
>us. ALL the young people we know that are starting little
>businesses or excelling at schools and employment
>opportunities ignore or openly disagree with these idealogies.
> All the wayward youth we know that are undependable,
>wishy-washy and unfocused are immersed in these idealogies.
>There are no exceptions. Even if one did not object to
>post-modern marxism based on idealogical flaws....they should
>certainly do so on a pragmatic level when considering their
>own teenagers.
>
>This shit does not equip young people for success. And the
>only way to reverse a young person from this path is to
>instill a sense of gratitude. If you think our society is
>inherently evil...you are destined to live on the fringes of
>it. Who wants that for their kids? And I'm not just talking
>about material success for these teens. I'm also talking
>about self-fulfillment. Gratitude is the first step. For
>their mentors, for the elders, for technology, for societal
>progress, for their priviliges. You show me a teen,
>regardless of group status, who claims to be unprivileged and
>oppressed (because that's what they're being taught).... and
>I'll show you someone without a future. I'm passionate about
>this because I truly think this is the most important thing
>we've learned about nurturing teenagers at this time.


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87. "I tried to read it."
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There is a fantasy world of circumstances that lend themselves to critical race theory. When these circumstances are portrayed they are aimed to shame and silence.

I learned when I was 5 or 6 years old that analogies of race could not be made for everyday circumstances. Such a practise would be side-stepping context right? Well....the dams are overflowing now. The new analogies are not dismissable on the account of context. We've reached a point where saying 'If they said that thing about black people that they said about white people they'd be first to hang.' It's starting to be true. It's it's not because of 'black culture'...it's because of post-modernist critical theory. Whitest of the whites. A cultural perspective is LAUGHING that BLM somehow thinks they are too black too strong.

  

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144. "wtf"
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Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

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90. "Updates:"
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https://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/06/07/leftist-student-group-at-evergreen-begins-community-policing-university-with-baseball-bats/

So the campus was shut down but the protesters have been walking around with baseball bats. Windows of the science building were smashed (because science is racist). The white supremacist school faculty has asked the police not to intervene with the students roaming around campus with baseball bats. Can't help but wonder what would happen if the faculty and campus police really were white supremacists. And I haven't completely scrutinized my thoughts about this...but the protesters aim to align their experience with black people in the poorest neighborhoods of Baltimore and Detroit infuriate me. I'll try to write more about that when I've clarified my thoughts....but for now, I'll say that they are so naive not to recognize that police motivations in those neighborhoods are to put people in jail. The campus police motivations are to babysit the kids and make sure, even if they commit crimes, that situations are down-played and the school receives no negative publicity. Not recognizing this difference displays their lack of acknowledging their own privilege and their obsession to self-victimize. At the expense of common black people.

The president of the school, who was disallowed from peeing while held captive, has publically thanked the protestors for raising awareness about racism and has expressed disappointment in the 'individuals' (I presume he means Weinstein) who have unfairly represented them to the national media.

Here's some reading:

Neo-conservative 'the Weekly standard':
http://www.weeklystandard.com/the-appalling-protests-at-evergreen-state-college/article/2008407

World socialist website article (obviously left):
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/06/05/ever-j05.html
I thought the comment section in this was interesting because alot of the conservative sites is just SJW this and SJW that. There's some decent debate here.

Bret Weinstein on Joe Rogan podcast:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq4Y87idawk
Interesting conversation but really long. I'd suggest skipping to 27:30 if you're already familiar with the basic events. And if you skip to 39:00 mark Weinstein really puts himself out there in critiquing black activism. It made me feel uncomfortable...but I don't disagree with him.

  

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108. "I wonder which building Weinstein's, a biological sciences professor, of..."
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nah...you're right, they're vandalizing the "science" building because science is racist.

This is a big ado about nothing. It speaks more of a school administration that can't get its stuff together than anything else.

But no, folks like you and the alt-right will use this to further their attacks on diversity & inclusion on campuses.

If folks are going to Fox News and Breitbart, that should raise enough red flags that there's probably more to the story than the what's being told by Weinstein and his supporters.

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95. "Statement of solidarity from Faculty."
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Around 25% of the faculty staff signed this statement of solidarity which they have attempted to bring down. All official links to it are dead and the university shut down the faculty website that indicates who signed it. Seems REALLY strange that this teachers are basically trying to hide. How honorable to sign a statement of solidarity and then try to make sure noone knows who signed it. Can't make this stuff up:






As Evergreen faculty members:

We acknowledge that all of us who have power within the institution share responsibility for the racist actions of others. Furthermore, those of us who are white bear a particularly large share of that responsibility.

We acknowledge that we have a great deal of work to do in order to honor and live up to the demands made by student leaders during last week’s protests. (http://cooperpointjournal.com/2017/05/27/complete-list-of-student-demands).

We acknowledge that students of color and others who are underrepresented and underserved have been voicing their demands to us for some time (through the Students of Color Focus Groups of 2014, through their participation in authoring the Strategic Equity Plan from November, in Cooper Point Journal coverage, for example) and we have not yet truly listened and acted.

We acknowledge students’ right to protest, and affirm President Bridges’ recent decision not to use the misguided language of the current Student Conduct Code to punish the protestors.

We vehemently reject the claim that students have been violent simply because they have been loud and emphatic. There is a difference between exercising the right to freely voice an opinion and inciting violence—and that difference has nothing to do with volume or forcefulness. We support the demands made by students and honor the positive institutional change they have already achieved through their protests.

Our most urgent demands (below) center on the safety of those individuals who are currently most at risk. At the same time, we acknowledge that in the weeks and months to come our attention will need to turn to the larger structural issues students have identified.

In solidarity with students, we commit ourselves to:
* Participating actively and self-critically in the annual mandatory trainings specified in the Memorandum of Understanding recently signed by the UFE and management bargaining teams.
* Holding each other accountable when we act in racist ways against our colleagues or our students, according to shared language and understanding developed in the trainings.
* Holding President Bridges accountable to the promises he made at the all-campus forum on May 26, 2017, and to the process of ongoing dialogue with student leaders.
* Actively supporting the Strategic Plan put forward by the Equity and Inclusion Council, including providing substantive support to the Vice President & Vice Provost of Equity and Inclusion tasked with implementing and extending their work.

In solidarity with students, we call for the Evergreen administration to:
* Center student perspectives in a persistent media approach to counter the alt-right narratives that are demonizing Evergreen and Day of Absence specifically.
* Take seriously the threats made to individual community members and use all available institutional resources to protect them.
* Demonstrate accountability by pursuing a disciplinary investigation against Bret Weinstein according to guidelines in the Social Contract and Faculty Handbook. Weinstein has endangered faculty, staff, and students, making them targets of white supremacist backlash by promulgating misinformation in public emails, on national television, in news outlets, and on social media.

We are angry and frustrated and concerned. We also believe, however, that if the College can muster a meaningful collective response to recent events, this can be a powerful lever for growth in student numbers, success, and equity–and for future institutional change. We urge the administration not to lead with fear, or a desire to suppress students’ voices. We urge them to let the energy and clarity of those voices carry us forward.

In solidarity, the undersigned faculty,





So Weinstein has endangered faculty, staff, students and made them the target of white supremacist backlash. Shame on all these dishonorable cowards. I can only presume that they are concerned about being ridiculed by media outlets. At least have the integrity to stand by your words. Currently, noone has access to who wrote this and who signed it. They are accusing their colleague of endangering students and can't bring themselves to put their name on the accusation.

Indoctrinate and brainwash your students into a hate-fueled idealogy...let them fight the idealogical battles for you....watch them get ridiculed on national media, possibly ruining chances of future employment and reputation....and then hide in the shadows when the shit hits the fan.

NOT ONE of those CRT profs have stood up and said something publically. While their students are ridiculed on national television because of what THEY taught them. At the end of the day....these kids, however misguided, are VICTIMS.

  

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100. "an added point."
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I hesitated in saying this cause I wondered if I was employing the same kind of tactics that these teachers employ. But I'm gonna throw it out there.

Has it occurred to anyone that these black students are sent out like little soldiers to do the dirty work of spreading their teacher's idealogy....and then left hung out to dry...humiliated in the national press...no public support from the teachers who sent them out there in the first place....and are mostly being taught by white profs? The same ones hiding in the shadows? Too cowardly to risk THEIR reputation by putting their name on a 'statement of solidarity'?

Food for thought. Here is the cultural studies faculty that is teaching these kids:

http://evergreen.edu/faculty/instructor/rainsf

Notice anything?

  

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105. "The link above does not include the filter settings."
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Simply change the filter setting and select the department to see pictures of the relevant professors.

White progressives telling racial minority students that society is an evil construction of white supremacy and your job is to fight it by putting your ass out there while they remain conspicuously absent. I'm not suggesting they are double-agents of a white supremacy system. I'm suggesting they are self-interested beneficiaries of academic privilege who are poisoning the minds of young people with a self-defeating worldview that sabotages their motivation and inspiration needed to find some sort of direction and self-fulfillment.

  

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107. "AND ANOTHER THING!!!!!!!!"
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98. "Another biology prof from Evergreen speaks out"
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So that makes two who have the guts to say something with their name on it. It should be noted...the website I'm linking here was recently called a 'white supremacist website' at a Critical Race Theory conference earlier this week and that there was a talk given claiming that the term 'diversity of viewpoint' is code for white supremacy. We live in a crazy world in which such an accusation is a pretty good indication it's a kickass website that is trying to sort this mess out. More on that later.

https://heterodoxacademy.org/2017/06/07/a-second-evergreen-professor-speaks-out/

I have been teaching Evergreen students about biology, agriculture, and animals for the last ten years. Before becoming a faculty member, I had a full time large animal veterinary practice where I would spend my days traveling to farms in rural “red counties” of Western Washington. The Evergreen State College has had a local reputation as a “hippie college” ever since it was founded in the mid-1960s as an alternative to traditional universities. Interdisciplinary sixteen credit programs are often taught by multiple professors, and students receive written narrative assessments instead of grades. With a low student to faculty ratio of twenty five to one, Evergreen professors have the opportunity to learn collaboratively with students through critical inquiry around interesting questions.

My most rewarding teaching experiences have been when my mostly left leaning students have prompted me to examine my own views on controversial issues. I would like to think that students have also benefited from being exposed to the occasional “redneck” perspective in the classroom and on field trips. Many of the farms we visited were my clients, who always looked forward to the annual visits by Evergreen’s “strangely dressed students with piercings and tattoos” that seemed to be much more inquisitive and insightful than their land-grant university counterparts. There were definitely awkward moments, but the results of these cross-cultural exchanges were always the same; discussion and an appreciation for multiple perspectives that were previously unheard or misunderstood within their prospective community. I believed that I had found the antidote to the ever increasing disease of polarization and identity politics that has been dividing our rural and urban populations.

Now Evergreen has taken from me the medicine needed to cure the illness. Even worse, the college is now contributing to the vilification, paranoia and irrational rhetoric that fuels hatred and violence. The antidote has now become toxic.

This is a story of how a Democrat voting veterinarian working with mostly Republican livestock owners became a “bigoted” professor at a left wing progressive liberal arts college. It is about a collection of professors that are so blinded by their advocacy, that they cannot fathom different viewpoints. It involves a newly appointed President who believes in ideological safe spaces who endorsed a strategic equity plan that will hurt the very students it is trying to help.

I recently met with a student who was angry that she was told to shut up at a student rally, based solely on the amount of pigment in her skin. She did not comply, and was called a racist. I asked her if this bothered her. She said: “No, because I am not racist.”

To the faculty, too afraid to speak out: I urge you to walk toward the fire. After all, if this brave student is a bigot, then I guess I am too. They are just words. You will not lose your job, but you might lose your dignity.

The tale is about two men trying to save Evergreen. One is an absolute coward (Bridges) and the other is an ultimate hero (Weinstein). Who should be forced to resign? Weinstein reluctantly went on Fox News, because no other news source would pick up his story. His excellent op-ed piece in the Wall Street Journal followed. Videos don’t lie, Weinstein’s logic prevailed, and cognitive dissonance set in amongst Evergreen faculty. This was the first time that I found out that those who watch Tucker Carlson are the “alt-right”. I should probably tell my family. Objections were made about whether Weinstein had mischaracterized Day of Absence/Day of Presence as “forcing” white students off campus. He didn’t, but why would this detail negate everything else that Weinstein wrote? When one is confronted with truths that contradict closely held beliefs, the mind begins to make outlandish rationalizations. The faculty email response will someday be used in psychology textbooks as a case study in group thinking.

Then our college President saw his opportunity. Evergreen administrators sent out ominous notices, labeling “free speech” advocates and persons who simply do not agree with “official” campus opinion as potentially violent. It was a desperate move, using fear tactics to rally the masses and prevent students from thinking clearly. This morning was the first time that I was actually nervous coming to campus. Not because of threats of white supremacists, but because I was worried that someone on campus would think that I might be one of them. And then we got the alert on campus. I could see the fear in some of our students faces, as I helped escort a student of color to her dormitory. Then I decided to stay on campus for a while. An administrator approached, and asked: “How did we get to this point?”

I guess safe spaces can be dangerous places.

Mike Paros DVM
Professor of Biology
The Evergreen State College

  

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109. "Naima Lowe speaks out:"
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I strongly disagree with EVERYTHING she says here (and most likely everything she teaches)...but I'm compelled to update this thread because she has finally done something all of her colleagues failed to do. She has at least publically supported the students and put herself out there to join the fight. I respect her for that. The context here is that she is angered at these other professors for voting against a mandatory 'equity and sensitivity training' for all faculty. Also, students are snapping while she speaks (lol I can't STAND that shit):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Y_zuh8SjY0

This link has some unnecessary and mean editorial slants but it's the only place I can find all the footage from her appearance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doUn0WY33YU

So yeah. She deserves respect for showing up. Again...the most infuriating thing about this was the teacher's reluctance to absorb any of the national press attention. They watched their students get humiliated from the shadows. At one point....Lowe even says 'Half of these people told me to stay my ass home today'. Wonder why? Because they don't want any of the blowback from the press. So props to her for at least standing up for her students and her ideas.

That being said...That white professor who mic-drops the whole rant by saying 'Do you have time for an apology' should be the new president of the school. Her argument is laughable. I'm sure Hitler spent 'alot of time and effort' on Mein Kempf too. The amount of effort you spent developing a training course is completely irrelevant to it's acceptability for implementation. And the 'I'm so tired. I'm so sick. This shit is literally going to kill me'. That shit might fly in the humanities department nowadays...but any intellect would wonder what the hell her state of health has to do with the debate.

The audacity she has to claim this training is 'for their benefit'. It goes to her tyrannical state of mind. It's going to 'help' the white teachers to learn they are actually white supremacists in disguise....regardless of what they teach or what views they hold. It is Naima who has her head stuck up her ass. She's the one claiming 'she is magic' because of her racial group status. She is the one displaying narcissism.

Here is Naima speaking publically, unrelated to these current events at Evergreen:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gXTKcIKtn0

And she's surprised that people don't want to voluntarily take a training course based on these views? "....Away from a conversation about the white supremacy that lives and breathes within every single white person standing here right now today!" lol Why on earth would anyone object to subjecting themselves to shit like that for two afternoons in a boardroom as a condition to keep their job?

  

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110. "The Media Brought the Alt-Right to My Campus"
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The Media Brought the Alt-Right to My Campus
June 16, 2017

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/06/16/opinion/media-alt-right-evergreen-college.html?referer=https://t.co/YOM70C6lPZ


Olympia, Wash. — Evergreen State College is always an unusual school, located on the outskirts of the eclectic town of Olympia, Wash., but something about the end of the school year inspires people to really let their freak flags fly. Drum circles and students with colorful hair and piercings are commonplace, and it’s not out of the ordinary to see the circus club practicing acrobatics.

This year is different. Many students are leaving campus as quickly as they can, and some, fearing for their safety, say they won’t come back.

A few weeks ago, a video clip of students demonstrating outside the office of Bret Weinstein, a biology professor, went viral. In the clip, students can be seen shouting at Mr. Weinstein and calling him racist. Mr. Weinstein appeared on Tucker Carlson’s Fox News show in a “Campus Craziness” segment and sat for interviews with many other media outlets.

In an op-ed for The Wall Street Journal, Mr. Weinstein wrote that students attacked him verbally “seemingly out of the blue” after he objected to an event in which “white people were asked to leave campus” for a day. He said that the college had “slipped into madness.”

As a student here, I know that the truth is more complicated. The protests were part of a planned week of action over several incidents that had sparked a schoolwide discussion on race. A series of emails that Mr. Weinstein sent to an all-faculty list were a small part of this. In one email, he objected to the design of an equity council that would guide faculty hiring to improve racial equity. In another, he voiced his opposition to a new structure for the Day of Absence, an Evergreen tradition since the 1970s.

The tradition was inspired by a Douglas Turner Ward play in which all the black residents of a town disappear so that the populace is forced to recognize their vital contributions. In previous years, students and faculty of color would leave Evergreen for a day and hold off-site workshops while white students stayed on campus.

This year, the organizers decided to hold workshops for white people off-campus instead — a reversal of the original concept. The intention was to put the focus on students of color, and highlight their contributions within the Evergreen space. The off-campus event was optional, and students who wanted to participate had to enroll: The workshops could hold only 200 people. Evergreen has about 4,000 students. There was no way the whole school could have been forced to participate.

Yet Mr. Weinstein declared that this event structure was “an act of oppression” against white people.

It is important to point out that Mr. Weinstein was within his rights to question how these initiatives were structured. But his critiques seemed to diminish the very purpose of them. Students wanted him to understand why these initiatives were so important to so many in our community.


What can’t be seen in the viral video of the student protest in his office is that students started by calmly stating their concerns. The way he responded to those concerns made students feel invalidated. It may have seemed inappropriate that they let their emotions escalate in frustration, but that doesn’t mean there was no context.

But the media saw in Mr. Weinstein a self-proclaimed progressive who appeared to be vilified simply for voicing a dissenting opinion. Evergreen students were accused of violence and of trying to enforce a divisive political correctness.

The fallout from that coverage hit our campus like a hailstorm. It may not have been his intention, but Mr. Weinstein’s many interviews effectively became a call to arms for internet trolls and the alt-right. Online vigilantes from 4chan, Reddit and other forums swarmed to unearth Evergreen students’ contact information. They have harassed us with hundreds of phone calls, anonymous texts and terrifyingly specific threats of violence that show they know where we live and work.

After I published an essay on Medium to explain the protesters’ side of the story, my full name, phone number and home address were posted online, and I was bombarded with hate-filled messages. I found my name and personal information on message boards, along with rape threats and discussions about which racial slur fit me best (the consensus was the N-word). It took three days to get my personal information taken down, and for others it took longer.

In the past few weeks, the school has been shut down four times because of threats, including one from an anonymous caller who said, “I’m on my way to Evergreen University now with a .44 Magnum. I am gonna execute as many people on that campus as I can get a hold of.”

Downtown Olympia has seen a sudden influx of visitors wearing Nazi and white supremacist regalia. Campus buildings have been scrawled with graffiti that says, “Diversity Equals White Genocide” and “No Safe Space For Commies.” Swastikas and racial slurs have been chalked and painted on Evergreen property.

Yesterday, the campus was mostly shut down after 3 p.m. because Patriot Prayer, a right-leaning protest group that espouses a love for guns and President Trump and a hatred for so-called snowflakes, descended on the campus for a “free speech” rally. Patriot Prayer was recently in the news for marching in Portland, Ore., after the killing of two people by a white supremacist who was aligned with the group, even though the mayor of Portland pleaded with them to postpone their event.

While recent events may have brought negative attention to my school, I am proud of students here who found a way to create change. In the movies, protests always look heroic, but they tend to be messy in real life. Weren’t the protests of the 1960s unpopular and messy sometimes, too?

After a series of petitions and protests by students, George Bridges, the president of Evergreen, agreed to require bias training for the staff and faculty and create better protections for undocumented students. It wasn’t everything the students had asked for, but it was a step in the right direction.

Bret Weinstein’s interview with Tucker Carlson aired on the same day students met with President Bridges. We were surprised to hear Mr. Weinstein’s claims, which seemed far removed from what we had witnessed, and saddened to see how almost overnight his version of events became the entire narrative.

Mr. Weinstein’s story about Evergreen’s regressive campus culture fit neatly into many misconceptions about the “new left,” so it seemed to go unquestioned. However, for many students, staff and faculty at Evergreen, the harassment that came after the negative coverage of the protesters was a shocking and bitter twist. It is not lost on us that students of color are the ones who have been disproportionately targeted.

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112. "I saw the clip on Vice News...."
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those kids are full of shit. The professor doesn't get a pass but those kids can't have a mature conversation. They were doing stuff like trying to barricade the school president in the building....verbally assaulting people...using fascist language to express their points.

They were basically doing shit that would get hemmed up with or without numbers in certain parts of the country.

I really think colleges are going to start coming out with hard-line stances on what students can and can't do on campus when expressing free speech. Anytime your free speech is turning into its own hate speech and is becoming borderline threatening there's a problem.

  

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113. "Read two posts up. "
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And stop being a bozo.

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114. "First off, I already know what the issue is"
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Secondly, the professor and the kids were both out-of-pocket...the professor moreso because he should've known better. The kids brought that level of attention on themselves when they got rowdy.

Thirdly, cut the name-calling....be a fucking adult.
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115. "I'm an adult. Saying you're acting like a ho now. "
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116. "Calling names without talking about the actual issue?"
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Come on....you trolling.

If you have something to say about my response then say it.

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117. "Piggy backing on ho ass denny, ignoring the kids actual words "
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Which mention that you didn't see the start of the incident.
Then taking a Cosby pants sagging stance rather than support my people?
That's ho shit. I'm adult enough to know that's the perfect term. I could use more elaborate and elegant language, but it's ho shit and termed corrrectly.

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118. "You assumed I didn't grasp the start of the incident....."
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>Which mention that you didn't see the start of the incident.
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>Then taking a Cosby pants sagging stance rather than support
>my people?
>That's ho shit. I'm adult enough to know that's the perfect
>term. I could use more elaborate and elegant language, but
>it's ho shit and termed corrrectly.

What I said was based on my opinion of the student's response. I wasn't even commenting specifically on denny's point. I'm assuming you came for me because you were already on one with denny.

The reason I called you out on the childish shit is because you mad-typing with a tone....chill. Just because you know the incident doesn't mean others can't speak on it. It's a message board. Like I said, if you feel I'm wrong on the issue....then speak to that.

If you read what I said, you'd realize that I think that the professor was full of shit and deserved any administrative action that came his way. But that doesn't excuse how the students came at that guy. They have every right to come in droves to protest....but they are taking that protest to a level that can get out of hand. That professor still has a right to voice his stupid, hateful opinion whether they like it or not.


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119. "You watched the clip and the kids are full of shit"
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Your words right? You primed how I read your response. Same as Denny starting off his with losing what little respect for BLM. You stated what your intention is first. Everything is derivative of that.

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120. "Yes...they had all the leverage on that issue....."
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The professor was already out there being a bitch. The move to confront the professor directly was a blunder on their part. They basically gave that guy all he needed to play the victim. The students lost their cool when ultimately they could've continued their protest and boycotted that professor's class.

That professor probably still should've been fired...but not for what he said. I feel that he had throughly played himself when he went to the WSJ and Fox News and Evergreen's president should've pounced on that.

But getting overly emotional and refusing to stay at the table messed that up.

My reaction "The students are full of shit" is to what some of the students were saying in some of those clips. Some of the language was getting a bit reckless on their side too. I don't agree with denny that the students are on some Marxist shit but when you have people saying things like "we need to round these types up" or "we need to have these types weeded out", that's the line IMHO. He can speak and they can disagree.

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121. "Black students have zero leverage over a white man and a national "
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Audience. Go play somewhere. You don't wanna humanize them kids. You wanna criticize them. You got no empathy for these youths. You don't relate to their struggles. This world theyre fighting for. Go sit your dusty ass down somewhere. They fighting for something you clearly don't value enough to recognize and you probably lost a long time ago.

Like you really trying to look at the micro/macro dynamics of this situation free of context. It's just silly.

Here's the gist. Any and everything black people do to have their humanity recognized the culture and climate of white supremacy aggressively seeks to tear that down. it's that simple. These are kids. They're fighting. We defend them. We don't give ear to the Denny's or the hannitys. We defend the youth. If you can't understand the value in that. That's on you. So I called you politely a bozo. But if it's that far out of your well to relate to the kids in this, that's lame ass ho behavior.

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123. "Whatever.....stay on your soapbox"
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If you don't want to see that the students could've played their hand better that's on you.

But chill on that whole diatribe about how I feel about black people. You don't know me we'll enough to speak facts on me.

  

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125. "One of us is defending black people one of us is finding nuance in denny"
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Stay black

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126. "Just because they have a point doesn't mean it's well executed "
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Execution is everything in accomplishing social change. They reacted. They dint think it out.

You wanna sit there an applaud stupidity because you agree with their point is on you. But don't ignore the fact that it was horribly executed just because you believe in the point. The fact u feel u are in the right because you are sticking up for these kids just because they are black means you aren't being objective to the convo, you already chose to try and pounce on anyone who even remotelly had a negative opinion on these kids no matter what. Kick rocks with that fucking simple bitch mentality. You, the kids and the teacher should be pushed off a fucking cliff you fucking loser LOL

  

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128. "The fact that you want to contribute to a conversation about blackness"
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Posited and mainly discussed by Denny says more about you than me. Because all throughout this thread I've been centered on the fact that the person that first posted the thread is bogus and I'm not willing to move past that to discuss here.

But go on. Keep consigning yalls white boy. He wouldn't take this shit reddit. But he'll come in with all sorts of black critique when he feels like it and y'all give him an audience.

Like what kind of low ass esteem for black people does a person to have for us to be like "well I know denny said he didn't think high of BLM and then spends paragraphs trashing black youth, but let me find points I agree with within his diatribe"? As the fuck if. Fuck that man.

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129. "So you had nothing to say back about what I said "
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Because I told you about yourself so you relegated to pseduo psychoanalyze me because you feel more entitled to being right on a subject for the simple reason that you are black?! You are a bigger fucking wannabe woke loser than i originally thought then LOL we are done here.

  

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130. "Not a word. "
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Peace black man.

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131. "Wait. Your bonehead ass isn't black either?"
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lol. Y'all love taking swipes at my folks. lolol.

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136. "He's Asian."
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white regulars include:

denny
Brew
KiloMcG
handle
MrHood75
Anonymous
J_Stew
Frank Longo
justin_scott
Jon
shockzilla
Cold_Truth said he's been mistaken for white
as someone mixed with white and hispanic

Might be more, but those are the ones who
immediately come to mind.

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137. "His fault"
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Dude had the nerve to negatively associate me with "woke" too. What a clown.

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143. "lmao"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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145. "holy fuck man...it's like polar poast"
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Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

Building repetoires (c) spm since 1983

  

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122. "There is alot of misinformation in this exchange."
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The Marxist content of the classes at evergreen is not a characterization of mine. It's in the course descriptions and the professor bios which are linked above. Critical theory and social theory are intrinsically tied to Marxism. So that's not an accusation or an assertion. It's descriptive and the students/profs wouldn't disagree.
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Also....Weinstein went to those news agencies AFTER the videos took place. Not before. After his class was disrupted. After his students were doxxed and their names distributed around campus as being agents of 'threat'. Remember...the initial problem students had with him is with his subject. 'Evolutionary Biology'...which they claim is inherently racist, sexist and homo/transphobic.

So here's the question:

Weinstein is a 'bitch' because:

1. he teaches evolutionary biology
2. He wanted to go to work on 'no whites day'
3. He went to the news after his class was disrupted, his students doxxed on campus, it was demanded he resign, and protesters kidnapped faculty members and police called his phone...informing him that he was in danger and they could not protect him (these are facts)

None of those constitute being a 'bitch'.

  

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124. "You a bitch. "
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146. "glass houses fam..."
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you keep acting like responding to this post is somehow agreeing with the OP meanwhile you have the most posts in here

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147. " I feel like some folks are addicted to white criticism. "
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like I'm not about to take a critical look at black people because some white loser said so. I'm offended by the idea

And particularly with this guy. There's a straight line to be drawn between how comfortable he feels shitting on black people as a whole to directing attacks on black posters randomly. Like he really felt like he could just come at Damili's neck because folks let him cook any other time. If I'm being a bitch, then so be it.

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148. "i feel u"
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dude annoys the living hell out of me but some of his bitchassness part of the process of figuring shit out

i've never been a fan of rejecting the message JUST bc of the messenger either...i'll put some shit on the backburner but kneejerk dismissal rarely seems conducive to some of the things we claim to want out of these convos

Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

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127. "Both had a point. Both executed it horribly. "
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Teacher shouldve known better. Doesnt mean he was wrong but he wasnt right either. Kids definitely had a point. Reacted. Reacted horribly and turned it into the same stupud circle jerk mob mentality bullshiit. Everyone involved can kick rocks.

  

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133. "Escellent article here:"
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http://quillette.com/2017/06/08/evergreen-state-battle-modernity/

this is NOT a black philosophy or culture as Meat has characterized. It's French. With some roots in German thought as well. Don't let yourself be swayed by the 'black vs their oppressors' narrative. There are lots of black people on campus (especially those studying science, math, tech and engineering) who are completely supportive of Weinstein.

It's a modernist vs post-modernist idealogical war (independent of race) and evaluating the conflict in any other way is misguided. BLM would be wise to divest themselves from the French and German philosophies of critical post-modernism if they want to stay in touch with black communities. This philosophy of 'no objective truth or reality' simply will not go over with common people. Especially those that do not have European ancestry.

  

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134. "LET. IT. GO."
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It hurts me to say this but as fellow whitey with precious little cred on GD, youre obsession with this shit reminds me of the anti-iSIS crews except that they at least seems to have a general idea of what they are going for whereas you seem to have nothing except for what you are going *against*... LIke "this is wrong",... in approximately 10 000 more word, I mean, *think*, dude... Is this collegiate "anti-white racism" or "black nationalism" intentions really an important issue to your life? Does it affect you or your relatives? (I suspect you tink it does and I get ack wen I ave a functional keyoard and soer, franky, youre an ass rigt now) Is tat REALLY te issue to spend-in your words-numerous ours wit...?

  

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135. "There are several reasons why this is relevant to me personally."
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Not that this should be a pre-requisite for interest in the first place. Science, logic and reason are under attack. I won't let that go because those are the foundations for all of the blessings I gratefully receive while being alive in this time and society. Like my aunt's fucking cancer treatment. Like the running water I feed my children. The heat that keeps me and my loved ones warm in the winter. The grocery store that provides us a variety of nourishment. The electricity that we use. The justice system that keeps us safe from anarchy. The bridges I cross. The automobiles I drive. The subways I ride on.

These things are being called the 'tools of oppression'. Of course that deserves pushback. If you aren't grateful for those things...you won't contribute to them. Even worse....if you think those things are inherently evil...you will set out to destroy them.

Noam Chomsky has been trying to warn us of this since the 90's. We should've listened.

  

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138. "RE: There are several reasons why this is relevant to me personally."
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>Not that this should be a pre-requisite for interest in the
>first place. Science, logic and reason are under attack.

Under attack since forever... I
>won't let that go because those are the foundations for all of
>the blessings I gratefully receive while being alive in this
>time and society. Like my aunt's fucking cancer treatment.
>Like the running water I feed my children. The heat that
>keeps me and my loved ones warm in the winter. The grocery
>store that provides us a variety of nourishment. The
>electricity that we use. The justice system that keeps us
>safe from anarchy. The bridges I cross. The automobiles I
>drive. The subways I ride on.

And now you are implying what? That those are "white things"?

>
>These things are being called the 'tools of oppression'. Of
>course that deserves pushback. If you aren't grateful for
>those things...you won't contribute to them. Even worse....if
>you think those things are inherently evil...you will set out
>to destroy them.
>

LOL! Keep it coming... *dis* is something to build on (and unlike you, I dout I ave any sponsor),.. Sounds like lingo of local nationalists (=racists) to me...

  

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139. "RE: There are several reasons why this is relevant to me personally."
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>>Not that this should be a pre-requisite for interest in the
>>first place. Science, logic and reason are under attack.
>
>Under attack since forever... I
>>won't let that go because those are the foundations for all
>of
>>the blessings I gratefully receive while being alive in this
>>time and society. Like my aunt's fucking cancer treatment.
>>Like the running water I feed my children. The heat that
>>keeps me and my loved ones warm in the winter. The grocery
>>store that provides us a variety of nourishment. The
>>electricity that we use. The justice system that keeps us
>>safe from anarchy. The bridges I cross. The automobiles I
>>drive. The subways I ride on.
>
>And now you are implying what? That those are "white things"?

Of course not. I don't think you understand what's going on. This philosophy, which has literally taken over these fields of study...do not believe that language is capable of conflict resolution. These students are not making a mistake....they are actually taught that discourse and debate cannot be used to persuade or settle disputes. If that doesn't scare you than you haven't taken the time to think of the implications. Language as a method of persuasion is what our courts are based on. What our governments are based on. Our parliaments...our senates..our congress. They want that all ERADICATED and those beliefs are INTRINSIC to the foundation of their belief system. That doesn't scare you?


>>These things are being called the 'tools of oppression'. Of
>>course that deserves pushback. If you aren't grateful for
>>those things...you won't contribute to them. Even
>worse....if
>>you think those things are inherently evil...you will set
>out
>>to destroy them.
>>
>
>LOL! Keep it coming... *dis* is something to build on (and
>unlike you, I dout I ave any sponsor),.. Sounds like lingo of
>local nationalists (=racists) to me...


Yah..well that's the trap you've fallen into which is so dangerous. 'I'll be a racist if I don't agree with the critical post-modernists'. It's a trap designed for cowards. You should learn about the Russian Revolution. Hundreds of millions of people died because they were intimidated by the mere suggestion of association with an undesirable group. (here it's racists/sexists/homophobes....in Russia it was the bourgeouis) Thank you for demonstrating how this witch hunt works.

How many black people (who actually live in black communities) think there's no such as objective truth. How many of them think language can't be used to persuade people? If they don't...are they racist too?

  

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149. "Bump bump"
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150. "New doc on the Evergreen matter (link)"
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For those who don't know the story:

PT. 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FH2WeWgcSMk

PT. 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0W9QbkX8Cs

PT. 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vyBLCqyUes

  

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151. "WOW THEY NUKED IT."
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:(

GLAD I SAVED WALLEYE'S GREAT POST. AT LEAST.


DO YOU SEE NOW, WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT?


IT'S BEEN REAL.

  

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152. "taibbi post is gone?"
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damn

  

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153. "YEP. NO EXPLANATION"
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JUST GONE.

LIKE THESE POSTS, AND I SUPPOSE MY ACCOUNT WILL SOON BE.

WELP.

I had fun having the illusion of open dialogue here with you fine people all these years.

  

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154. "that sucks. i'm pretty much for never deleting posts"
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unless its outright spam or putting people's personal shit out there.

but even if i hate what the OP is saying, let them take their lumps. let it play out. Taibbi in recent years annoys the shit out of me but i don't see the rationale for deletion

but whatever lol

  

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