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BigJazz
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"Poll question: your city is broke. which budget do you cut and why?"
Thu Mar-30-17 01:43 PM by BigJazz

  

          

your city is broke and struggling. the schools suck, crime is high, and when you look around, things look pretty messed up.

you're tasked with doing some budget cuts and your options are the 3 areas listed. there are no other options. no you can't raise more money. no you can't cut from some other area. no you can't spread cuts among the choices.

which budget do you cut and why?

Poll result (12 votes)
the school system (1 votes)Vote
the police (5 votes)Vote
public works (6 votes)Vote

  

  

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Embezzle what I can without getting caught and bounce
Mar 30th 2017
1
all of a sudden I feel like Tommy Carcetti.
Mar 30th 2017
2
if sh*ts that bad, probably have to trim all 3. doubt these are the only
Mar 30th 2017
3
I'd sacrifice public works for saving the schools & cops.
Mar 30th 2017
4
My thoughts too
Mar 30th 2017
5
I take a hatchet to the regulatory world.
Mar 30th 2017
6
and here come the money laundering scandals.
Mar 30th 2017
9
      That's exactly what we want!!! Put that money back into legal
Mar 30th 2017
14
      that's actually a good thing
Mar 30th 2017
15
damn..idk
Mar 30th 2017
7
Schools, Parks, Hospitals, etc.
Mar 30th 2017
8
      to be fair...I'd cut something from each
Mar 30th 2017
13
I move.
Mar 30th 2017
10
Same thing I thought of this morning when watching the news...
Mar 30th 2017
11
why'd they deactivate them?
Mar 30th 2017
12
Errors upon errors upon errors... (Pick one)
Mar 30th 2017
17
i was listening to WEAA the other day and a guy said that
Mar 30th 2017
20
      Indeed we do.
Mar 30th 2017
25
*Adjusts police budget*
Mar 30th 2017
16
But what if overtime is needed because there are not enough...
Mar 30th 2017
18
      I used technology as much as possible to lower Police budgets
Mar 30th 2017
26
Police Department funding is what I'd reduce.
Mar 30th 2017
19
what does public works do? i'm literally asking. tell me, then i'll answ...
Mar 30th 2017
21
Reply #8
Mar 30th 2017
22
when i typed it, i was thinking:
Mar 30th 2017
23
      Yep. basically "guys in City vehicles"
Mar 30th 2017
24
ha. no matter what, you lose.
Mar 30th 2017
27
i'm not cutting any of those budgets.
Mar 30th 2017
28
I think I would make cuts more or less in this order:
Mar 30th 2017
29
None, we taxing weed #LegalizeIt
Mar 30th 2017
30

Cold Truth
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1. "Embezzle what I can without getting caught and bounce"
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Shogun
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2. "all of a sudden I feel like Tommy Carcetti."
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This is why I'd never want to be a politician.

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3. "if sh*ts that bad, probably have to trim all 3. doubt these are the only"
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3 options tho

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Shogun
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4. "I'd sacrifice public works for saving the schools & cops."
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The city will suffer aesthetically, but shit. You need cops, man. Especially if crime is already an issue.


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Atillah Moor
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5. "My thoughts too"
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6. "I take a hatchet to the regulatory world. "
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Like I would make it 10x more easy to open a bar or restaurant or business in general.

Prohibitions on strip clubs...gone.





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Shogun
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9. "and here come the money laundering scandals."
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>Like I would make it 10x more easy to open a bar or
>restaurant or business in general.
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EVERY D-boy with a bag of cash is gonna open a "car wash" and his lady is gonna open a "nail salon".


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Buddy_Gilapagos
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14. "That's exactly what we want!!! Put that money back into legal "
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circulation.


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15. "that's actually a good thing"
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d-boys going legit with their money is better than the current situation
Not to mention, it expands the tax base and gets them off the streets
shit, 2 of the most famous hip hop labels (ruthless and roc-a-fella) were started with drug money.

  

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7. "damn..idk"
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does a better budget mean better schools, police...
what's public works again?




  

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Shogun
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8. "Schools, Parks, Hospitals, etc."
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>does a better budget mean better schools, police...
>what's public works again?
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basically the upkeep of public use facilities.


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13. "to be fair...I'd cut something from each"
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10. "I move."
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11. "Same thing I thought of this morning when watching the news..."
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Thu Mar-30-17 02:17 PM by Creole

  

          

Authorities in Baltimore have decided to reactivate the street traffic cameras. That's gonna help with some of the revenue problem especially since they're adding more cameras than were in place.

Green...

  

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12. "why'd they deactivate them?"
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17. "Errors upon errors upon errors... (Pick one)"
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http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/data/bal-speed-cameras-20140909-storygallery.html

Just look inside. You'll find all you need to see.

Mainly, it's because the cameras were too damned faulty. Cars were getting clocked at illegal speeds while they were sitting still.

  

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BigJazz
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20. "i was listening to WEAA the other day and a guy said that "
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there was little proof that increased police spending leads to a decrease in crime. i gotta do my Googles on that.

but what i do know is that Baltimore ranks high as hell in police spending per resident and we all know how that's working out for us...

  

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25. "Indeed we do. "
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>but what i do know is that Baltimore ranks high as hell in
>police spending per resident and we all know how that's
>working out for us...

The city is having to go at this damned near alone because Hogan ain't tryna hear it. The dude don't wanna do anything to help ensure the state's largest city is prepared for the growth that's wanted. It's clear in my mind that they want to keep the city running with all of the ready-made minimum wage labor force. So, starve the schools and watch them all either end up in jail, dead, or servicing people in restaurants found in Canton, Harbor East, Downtown, Fed Hill, etc.

I recently told some young bros, who are planning to leave for college, to not come back to this city unless they're prepared to take advantage of the opportunities that are being afforded to the highly skilled or college educated. Otherwise, they fall back into the same shit they took a vacation from - all of the things that can't survive with reduced funds.

  

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16. "*Adjusts police budget*"
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We're downsizing police cars and searching for energy efficient options as well as decreasing the military arsenal. Overtime rules are adjusted to maintain proper use of resources. We're going after healthcare fraud hard body. I'll legalize marijuana and add a small tax on purchases.


  

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18. "But what if overtime is needed because there are not enough..."
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human resources to man the streets/alleys, the cruisers, and wave people through evening traffic?

Just ain't enough cats to walk that beat. So, you gotta pay folks to work a little extra.

  

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26. "I used technology as much as possible to lower Police budgets"
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set up cameras everywhere. GPS on criminals instead of putting them in jail.


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19. "Police Department funding is what I'd reduce."
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I would divert the funds into the City Works Department. This effort would be to reinforce the city's infrastructure and to beautify it. Not only would the move restore a sense of pride in the community, by reversing the physical decline, it would also attract a larger tax base. Additionally, I'd create a jobs program within City Works to perform the extra work, in which those prone to crime would be recruited and hired, both helping them become productive members of the society and invested in making the community great. But I'd also rely on State police for assistance and appeal for some of that terrorism funding.

  

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21. "what does public works do? i'm literally asking. tell me, then i'll answ..."
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22. "Reply #8"
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23. "when i typed it, i was thinking:"
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solid waste
water
sewers
public spaces
infrastructure (roads, bridges, etc)

stuff like that.

it may be more or less, but that's what i was thinking.




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24. "Yep. basically "guys in City vehicles""
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painting lines on the roads, hanging street signs, landscaping, all the little shit that has to be done.


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27. "ha. no matter what, you lose."
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i'm from flint, mi and from personal experience I can tell you that no matter what you do your city is fucked.

Cut the schools and you end up with some of the worst test scores in the state and an unending cycle of ignorance. You will have both charter and public schools failing (which is another conversation about how people will praise charter schools as saviours yet the only thing they change is a windfall of money as it is drained from your community into the pockets of an unseen for-profit entity). Then you have scores of people that would actively help make the city better moving to the suburbs because you gotta have a good foundation for your kids and the schools are much better in the suburbs.

Cut the police and you'll have the criminals taking over. You'll have instances when a city that has 100k citizens only has eight police officers on duty (true story). You will get in an accident and they'll refuse to send a police officer over and instead will call you 10+ hours later to do a report over the phone (true story).

Cut public works and...like I said I'm from flint, mi. You already know. But just as important, at one point they will cut funding for the fire department, and magically the instances of fires will go up like tenfold and the rumor mill has it they are being set by disgruntled fire fighters who felt the cuts were unfair. Suddenly the city is spending *more* money than the original uncut budget on overtime, and some funding is restored to the fire department and the deficient continues to deepen.

Ultimately, your city is fucked and without a total community buyin of any new ideas it will just become more and more decrepit.

  

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28. "i'm not cutting any of those budgets."
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let the city fail. the fedz and/or the state will bail us out.

all of those are essential services. if the city can't provide those then what's the point of having city government?

no budget cuts.

but if there are to be budget cuts i'm cutting from the top down. high paid management/executive positions are the first to go. lay offs, terminations, furloughs, all of those options are on the table. commissioners and assistant commissioners will be the first to feel it.

fuck you.

  

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29. "I think I would make cuts more or less in this order:"
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Office of the Mayor
City Clerk
Legislative Councils
Police Department
Human Resources Management
Planning & Building
Animal Services
Information Technology
Finance
City Administrator's Office
Public Library
Parks & Recreation
Fire Department
Housing & Community Development
Public Works
Human Services

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30. "None, we taxing weed #LegalizeIt"
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https://billypenn.com/2016/04/20/marijuana-in-philly-yes-its-decriminalized-but-were-still-collecting-fines-2/
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/ce/c5/98/cec59808da8c94c7ff4197085cf24e01.jpg


CAN'T cut schools here (they are perpetually in a hole), nor the cops.

  

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