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"What Racial Terms Make You Cringe? (NYTimes)"
Mon Mar-27-17 02:30 PM by Creole

  

          

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/26/us/cringeworthyraceterms.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=second-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

"Urban" is one for me. Folks say it because they seemingly believe that "urban" is synonymous with "Black" and/or "poor".

  

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Ghetto
Mar 27th 2017
1
Especially when wypipo say it.
Mar 28th 2017
8
n/m
Mar 28th 2017
10
Sends me over the edge.
Mar 28th 2017
66
liberal
Mar 27th 2017
2
Some of those are ehhh to me. Non? Fitting in?
Mar 27th 2017
3
'diversity', 'urban', 'inner city', 'Afro American', 'ethnic',
Mar 27th 2017
4
I can live with "diversity", but "diversity hire" is some bullshit.
Mar 28th 2017
9
lol it's a coin toss. Sometimes it's to comply. I'd argue most
Mar 28th 2017
13
I wonder who they're trying to please
Mar 28th 2017
18
Ethnic... seems lazy
Mar 27th 2017
5
To me, ethnics are non-WASP white people. So Italians, Irish,
Mar 27th 2017
6
what's ill is the original Caucasoids are classified as ethnic
Mar 28th 2017
34
yeah it's a vague thing at best, a euphemism in many cases. no time for ...
Apr 03rd 2017
102
Race
Mar 28th 2017
7
Person of Color. That's one of the most backhanded racist terms.
Mar 28th 2017
11
Ennh, I've used it. It's a time saver.
Mar 28th 2017
14
It's a time saver? How?
Mar 28th 2017
16
      three letters, lol. "POC".
Mar 28th 2017
24
           Oh.. LOL
Mar 28th 2017
44
How is it racist? Specifically, I don't get how people get mad
Mar 28th 2017
19
I'm reaching, but...
Mar 28th 2017
20
      Idk but then I still don't know why we ditched Negro.
Mar 28th 2017
      Idk but then I still don't know why we ditched Negro.
Mar 28th 2017
22
           probably because "Black" is more 'in-your-face'.
Mar 28th 2017
26
           Negro is necessary. Or Negro is Knowledge. Just spitballin.
Mar 28th 2017
31
           I like and use the phrase
Mar 28th 2017
61
it's not a replacement for black. Its an umbrella term
Mar 28th 2017
35
But those different groups of minorities don't have the same experience.
Mar 28th 2017
40
      I use it most often in regards to representations in film and the arts
Mar 28th 2017
43
      ONE quantifiable social issue that affects all POC in the same way
Mar 28th 2017
50
      But the ways in which white supremacy can be measured....
Mar 28th 2017
52
      I hear you. Makes sense in that respect.
Mar 28th 2017
55
      I hear you in some regards but coalition building is necessary
Mar 28th 2017
57
           His sign was wrong.
Mar 28th 2017
62
                Oh yeah, that specific statement is wrong as hell.
Mar 28th 2017
63
      Not even. Asians are not in the same boat as Blacks, Latinos or
Mar 28th 2017
67
           exactly.
Mar 30th 2017
94
      Don't forget South Asians and even the much-maligned Arabs.
Mar 29th 2017
82
wow, we agree on something. more or less, i also dislike it.
Apr 03rd 2017
100
"The Blacks"!
Mar 28th 2017
12
^
Mar 28th 2017
23
I don't pay attention to folks that use that kinda language, so none
Mar 28th 2017
15
*high fives*
Mar 28th 2017
17
Word
Mar 28th 2017
21
To be fair, my e-peeps don't use PC lingo.
Mar 28th 2017
28
Co-sign Urban, also lowkey "Folks in the Inner City"
Mar 28th 2017
25
conversation with white folks must be a cringe fest for yall.
Mar 28th 2017
27
I walk away when I hear anyone, in the workplace,...
Mar 28th 2017
30
eh. different strokes for different folks.
Mar 28th 2017
36
nah no breaks. im calling traveling.
Mar 28th 2017
53
why, just because a scorpion stings doesn't mean you remove it's tail
Mar 28th 2017
45
It ain't on the list and ain't used against me but HONKEY...
Mar 28th 2017
29
Nothing more beautiful than George Jefferson dropping "HONKEY"
Mar 28th 2017
32
it pisses me off that it doesn't bother them.
Mar 28th 2017
41
      RE: it pisses me off that it doesn't bother them and they laugh at you
Mar 28th 2017
51
Only for nostalgia... RIP Sherman Hemsley
Mar 28th 2017
37
this yt dude i work wit slipped up and said it the other day in a meetin...
Mar 28th 2017
38
an old Italian man at my job used to refer to my boss as that.
Mar 28th 2017
39
dying LOL.
Mar 28th 2017
42
      EVERY...time...he'd...call.
Mar 28th 2017
48
           I've shared this story TWICE already today
Mar 30th 2017
97
HONKEY-TONK would be my guess
Mar 28th 2017
46
Being a HUGE fan of Hank Williams....
Mar 28th 2017
69
      pretty much, but that's the dynamic when it comes down to it
Mar 28th 2017
70
On where it comes from...
Mar 29th 2017
73
Really?
Mar 29th 2017
83
white johns...
Mar 29th 2017
84
I think it's kinda funny
Apr 03rd 2017
101
sketchy
Mar 28th 2017
33
Wow yeah, good one. But what are they suppose to say if the
Mar 28th 2017
47
"is that a 'bad neighborhood'?"
Mar 28th 2017
49
ive always heard sketchy used more generally
Mar 28th 2017
54
What IS the correct term for a
Mar 28th 2017
68
a "dangerous neighborhood".
Mar 29th 2017
76
      Hmmm
Apr 04th 2017
105
           it's not about the word itself.
Apr 04th 2017
112
pretty much although they walk into a meth den and use it, too
Apr 03rd 2017
103
i have a 50ish co-worker who gets salty because he can't say oriental
Mar 28th 2017
56
But who came up with the definition? Call people what they
Mar 28th 2017
58
      this is the shit that kills me: people want to be called something or do...
Mar 28th 2017
60
           Agreed.
Mar 28th 2017
65
                The only time I thought of it as an annoyance was when
Mar 28th 2017
71
                     A thought I had reading this post....
Mar 29th 2017
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                          valid point.
Mar 29th 2017
78
                          Yeah there will be no perfect term to describe the imperfect
Mar 29th 2017
85
                               Right.
Mar 29th 2017
86
                                    'sketchy' is often used as code for 'black'
Apr 04th 2017
113
**nappy**
Mar 28th 2017
59
I just had that convo with a friend. That one doesn't bother me.
Mar 29th 2017
77
when i hear educated black women being called...
Mar 28th 2017
64
Pardon moi while I get my Uncle Ruckus on, but what is an OFAY?
Mar 28th 2017
72
I've heard it too, but never knew the origin.
Mar 29th 2017
79
pig latin for "foe"
Mar 30th 2017
91
'Racialized (insert color) bodies'
Mar 29th 2017
75
lol makes me remember the AFRICANIZED BEES! scare from the 80's
Mar 29th 2017
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What's your take?
Mar 29th 2017
81
My take is attempts to create definitions to make sense of race fail
Mar 30th 2017
90
      Yeah.
Apr 04th 2017
107
Fuck that shit. AFRICANIZED BEES sounds hardcore.
Mar 30th 2017
88
      They had folks thinking they'd be that big and black with no yellow
Mar 30th 2017
92
           LMAO!!!
Mar 30th 2017
95
too academic and lame
Mar 29th 2017
87
      lmao... perfect description.
Mar 30th 2017
89
"African"
Mar 30th 2017
93
Yep. That's why I don't use "African American"
Mar 30th 2017
96
Honorable Mention: "Off the reservation"
Apr 03rd 2017
98
Know what phrase I hate? "Of Color"
Apr 03rd 2017
99
I hate illegal immigrant, too, but I don't get mad when people use it
Apr 03rd 2017
104
Agreed and well-put.
Apr 04th 2017
108
      "An illegal" is just stupid, that's not even a noun for fuck's sake.
Apr 04th 2017
110
the idignant ''i voted for trump'' confession
Apr 04th 2017
106
Question for Jewish brethren:
Apr 04th 2017
109
Not in and of itself, I guess it can be in context but it's very obvious
Apr 04th 2017
111

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1. "Ghetto"
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the fuck you know about a ghetto?

  

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8. "Especially when wypipo say it."
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>the fuck you know about a ghetto?


Exactly.

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10. "n/m"
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66. "Sends me over the edge."
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2. "liberal"
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3. "Some of those are ehhh to me. Non? Fitting in?"
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I read the descriptions on those. I guess I would find it hard to call those phrases out as racial without more context.

But ghetto and exotic are my two most hated. When someone describes anything as ghetto that gives away a ton about their upbringing.

  

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4. "'diversity', 'urban', 'inner city', 'Afro American', 'ethnic', "
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'POC', 'person/persons/people of color'.

fuck you.

  

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9. "I can live with "diversity", but "diversity hire" is some bullshit."
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it makes it sound like that person was hired just to fill a spot. Like they're somehow not an official employee.
When what that shit REALLY means is "we've had too many yt faces here and somebody finally had the common decency to actually interview and hire qualified candidates of other races."

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13. "lol it's a coin toss. Sometimes it's to comply. I'd argue most"
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18. "I wonder who they're trying to please"
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with all these ways of not saying black. POC refers to anybody not white, but that puts all other non-whites into one big ass group.

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5. "Ethnic... seems lazy"
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then again, I call them "other thans" as in other than black or white. As a joke tho, not in social settings

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6. "To me, ethnics are non-WASP white people. So Italians, Irish, "
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Poles, Russians and other Eastern Europeans, etc. And Southern WASPs are nearly "ethnic" because they're marginalized relative to the more powerful Northern WASPs.

  

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34. "what's ill is the original Caucasoids are classified as ethnic"
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Armenians, Georgians, Chechens, Persians= ethnic whites
yet they're from the Caucus mountains
must've been a white guy who started all that (c)

  

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102. "yeah it's a vague thing at best, a euphemism in many cases. no time for ..."
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7. "Race"
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11. "Person of Color. That's one of the most backhanded racist terms. "
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14. "Ennh, I've used it. It's a time saver."
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If I don't feel like saying "Blacks and Latinos, etc.." POC is shorter.


I hear POC use it more than whitefolks though.

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16. "It's a time saver? How?"
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24. "three letters, lol. "POC"."
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I rarely get to use it in actual conversation, but I'd still say Person of color. Because 'minorities' is some bullshit. It implies we don't belong.


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44. "Oh.. LOL"
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19. "How is it racist? Specifically, I don't get how people get mad"
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at Person of Color, or even colored people for that matter, but aren't bothered by "Black". They are all terms describing people as colors.




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20. "I'm reaching, but..."
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... does it stem from the weirdness in saying everyone else is a "colour" except white people, who are actually white rather than pink.

Kind of serves to reinforce the "us and them" between white people and everyone else?

Like I said, I'm reaching.

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"Idk but then I still don't know why we ditched Negro. "


  

          

If it was good enough for Martin and Malcolm, it's good enough for me.

Except for Afro-American. Couldn't get with that one.


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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22. "Idk but then I still don't know why we ditched Negro. "
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If it was good enough for Martin and Malcolm, it's good enough for me.

Except for Afro-American. Couldn't get with that one.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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26. "probably because "Black" is more 'in-your-face'."
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>If it was good enough for Martin and Malcolm, it's good
>enough for me.

Agreed, but IMO, Black sounds more focused. It makes us sound a lot stronger. "Negro is Beautiful"? Notsomuch.


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>Except for Afro-American. Couldn't get with that one.
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Glad I'm not the only old fart around here. I remember that one in grammar school.

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31. "Negro is necessary. Or Negro is Knowledge. Just spitballin. "
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35. "it's not a replacement for black. Its an umbrella term"
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to be used during discussions surrounding living under/in/around/near white supremacy+dominant paradigm

its a term of solidarity

its a term that specifically identifies the similar issues blacks, latinos, asians, etc have while being other in america

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40. "But those different groups of minorities don't have the same experience."
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Tue Mar-28-17 10:50 AM by denny

          

When 'POC' is invoked to talk about prison statistics....it's extremely problematic. IE Natives and blacks are heavily over-represented.....Asians are heavily under-represented. Also problematically invoked in regards to poverty, employment, education, housing, business ownership.

In fact....can we name ONE social issue that affects all POC in the same way that is quantifiable?

  

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43. "I use it most often in regards to representations in film and the arts"
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in general. Also used alot when talking about representation in corporate america.

Granted I see it used most often by Indian and Asian people to build a bridge to black and latino but I ain't mad at it.




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50. "ONE quantifiable social issue that affects all POC in the same way "
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White Supremacy -- the whole world lives under the threat of nuclear destruction due to it.

  

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52. "But the ways in which white supremacy can be measured...."
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poverty and wealth distribution....prison...education....employment....all the rest of the shit I already listed show that POC are NOT affected in the same way.

Which suggests to me that using the term actually impedes race analysis rather than aiding it. For example...the prison crisis that black Americans are facing would be under-estimated if we analyzed it by way of 'POC' instead of 'black people'. Using it in data gathering would underestimate the burdens of some and overestimate the burdens of others.

Just a random anecdote...but my SO and I DID confront a Chinese guy at a black lives matter protest holding up a sign referring to POC in jail. Since I'm pretty well-informed on the subject...I told the guy that he was doing a disservice to the real victims of this crisis. Predictably...he dismissed me cause I was white. Unfortunately...he called my SO an uncle tom. In anycase....we told him that Chinese-Canadians are not suffering from race discrimination in prison sentences and that his message should specify Natives and Black Canadians. And that he shouldn't claim to have burdens that he doesn't have.

I guess that's what i see as the ugly side of 'POC'. I'm not saying it's useless though. Just has the potential to be misused.

  

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55. "I hear you. Makes sense in that respect."
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57. "I hear you in some regards but coalition building is necessary"
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The Term POC unites different people for a common cause.

Also, it is a bit assholia for a white dude to tell a POC he wrong for advocating for POC issues.


>poverty and wealth
>distribution....prison...education....employment....all the
>rest of the shit I already listed show that POC are NOT
>affected in the same way.
>
>Which suggests to me that using the term actually impedes race
>analysis rather than aiding it. For example...the prison
>crisis that black Americans are facing would be
>under-estimated if we analyzed it by way of 'POC' instead of
>'black people'. Using it in data gathering would
>underestimate the burdens of some and overestimate the burdens
>of others.
>
>Just a random anecdote...but my SO and I DID confront a
>Chinese guy at a black lives matter protest holding up a sign
>referring to POC in jail. Since I'm pretty well-informed on
>the subject...I told the guy that he was doing a disservice to
>the real victims of this crisis. Predictably...he dismissed
>me cause I was white. Unfortunately...he called my SO an
>uncle tom. In anycase....we told him that Chinese-Canadians
>are not suffering from race discrimination in prison sentences
>and that his message should specify Natives and Black
>Canadians. And that he shouldn't claim to have burdens that
>he doesn't have.
>
>I guess that's what i see as the ugly side of 'POC'. I'm not
>saying it's useless though. Just has the potential to be
>misused.
>
>


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62. "His sign was wrong."
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Tue Mar-28-17 02:51 PM by denny

          

It said something like 'As a person of color I am 5 times more likely to go to jail'. I can't remember what the number was. But it was wrong. As the conversation grew more intense....I informed him that as a Chinese Canadian he was less likely to go to jail than any other race including white people. If that makes me an asshole than I'll embrace it. Prison race statistics are the biggest social justice issue of our time imo which is why I'm well-informed on it. It's important that we get it right.

I think he's the asshole for self-victimizing and those types of claims are a threat to de-legitimizing the experiences of real victims. If he wants to build a coalition about prison he should advocate for Natives and Black people. Not self-victimize.

  

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63. "Oh yeah, that specific statement is wrong as hell. "
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>It said something like 'As a person of color I am 5 times
>more likely to go to jail'. I can't remember what the number
>was. But it was wrong. As the conversation grew more
>intense....I informed him that as a Chinese Canadian he was
>less likely to go to jail than any other race including white
>people. If that makes me an asshole than I'll embrace it.
>Prison race statistics are the biggest social justice issue of
>our time imo which is why I'm well-informed on it. It's
>important that we get it right.
>
>I think he's the asshole for self-victimizing and those types
>of claims are a threat to de-legitimizing the experiences of
>real victims. If he wants to build a coalition about prison
>he should advocate for Natives and Black people. Not
>self-victimize.


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67. "Not even. Asians are not in the same boat as Blacks, Latinos or"
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Native Indians.

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94. "exactly."
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82. "Don't forget South Asians and even the much-maligned Arabs. "
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They're not quite in the same boat as Blacks and Native Indians either.

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100. "wow, we agree on something. more or less, i also dislike it."
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12. ""The Blacks"!"
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23. "^"
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except when Chappelle says it.

IG: amadu_me

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15. "I don't pay attention to folks that use that kinda language, so none"
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Don't watch network TV, don't fuck with Twitter and most other social media, don't read think pieces, etc.

Call it what you want, but I cut as much passive aggressive bullshit out of my life as possible. Not going to consume media that only serves to denigrate me. Fuck that.

  

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17. "*high fives*"
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21. "Word"
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****************
TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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28. "To be fair, my e-peeps don't use PC lingo."
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>Don't watch network TV, don't fuck with Twitter and most
>other social media, don't read think pieces, etc.


My feeds are usually filled with like-minded easy going folks, other than the occasional Hotep meltdown. But I've learned who to turn out.

>
>Call it what you want, but I cut as much passive aggressive
>bullshit out of my life as possible. Not going to consume
>media that only serves to denigrate me. Fuck that.

I'm trying to get there. Ironically, I've been spending more and more time here and less on FB. Whod'a thunk OKP would become a safe haven?



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25. "Co-sign Urban, also lowkey "Folks in the Inner City""
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Or as Trump is fond of "The Inner-City Blacks"

Tbh, nearly all racial euphemisms exist because someone who was a bit racist wanted a term that didn't immediately flag their racism.

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27. "conversation with white folks must be a cringe fest for yall."
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call em out and put the cringey shit back on them.

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30. "I walk away when I hear anyone, in the workplace,..."
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utter the word "ghetto."

They have usually figured out why.

  

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36. "eh. different strokes for different folks. "
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you might call them out

but

others might not

others might not and might make political and policy based moves




at this point, I take the chris rock treatement of treating them as if I were playing basketball with a mentally disabled person... i expect them to carry the ball


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53. "nah no breaks. im calling traveling."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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45. "why, just because a scorpion stings doesn't mean you remove it's tail"
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29. "It ain't on the list and ain't used against me but HONKEY..."
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is one that makes me cringe too.

I'm usually like: "WTF? Who is still using that in 2017? And what does it even mean?"

In fact, where does it come from?

  

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32. "Nothing more beautiful than George Jefferson dropping "HONKEY""
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On folks head.

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41. "it pisses me off that it doesn't bother them."
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they have a ZILLION slurs for other folks, but none against them is as painful.

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51. "RE: it pisses me off that it doesn't bother them and they laugh at you"
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https://offthemonstersports.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/belichick1.jpg

  

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37. "Only for nostalgia... RIP Sherman Hemsley"
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I still laugh when he says it on the Jeffersons reruns

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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38. "this yt dude i work wit slipped up and said it the other day in a meetin..."
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he was tryin to say 'hunky' as a descriptor and it came out as 'hounkey' and he just k.i.m. lol

i was one of maybe 2 people who noticed/caught it

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39. "an old Italian man at my job used to refer to my boss as that."
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He called everyday, and he knew I was Black, so maybe in his mind that was his way of bonding (?) with me.

"put the honkey on the phone." or "is the honkey there today?"


It was REALLY awkward, man.

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42. "dying LOL. "
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48. " EVERY...time...he'd...call. "
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This cat had NO filter. My boss told me he was a wild boy. When he used to work there before I came, he'd call people all kindsa names, and bring porn to the office. No bags or anything. Just a big stack of porn on his desk.

He actually clowned a waitress who had a lisp, man. TO HER FACE.

"Bwead bowl? WTF is a bwead bowl?"

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97. "I've shared this story TWICE already today"
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Thanks for the comedy GOLD.

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46. "HONKEY-TONK would be my guess"
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69. "Being a HUGE fan of Hank Williams...."
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I find it really hard to be offended by honky. Honky-tonking is basically going out with the fellas, chasing tail, drinking liqour, using drugs and jamming out to some tunes. Shit reminds of 'Please.....don't throw me into the briar patch!'

  

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70. "pretty much, but that's the dynamic when it comes down to it"
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73. "On where it comes from..."
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Some say it derives from a time when in the
early 1900s when white men would drive to Black
areas and honk their car horns for a Black
woman with whom to engage in sexual activity
(or someone to rape, because it's not like
there legally had to be any consent to a white
man for anything at all at).

Others say it comes from a Bantu word meaning
"pink" or a Wolof term meaning "cat."

The car horn explanation is the most common
one I've heard tho.

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83. "Really?"
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You don't think it comes from 'honky-tonking'?

  

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84. "white johns..."
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honking at prostitutes

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101. "I think it's kinda funny"
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"Just Another Honky" is my favorite Faces song, George Jefferson delivered "honky!" like none other and I did laugh the first time I heard "Even if you're a honky you can still be hung like a donkey."

It's one of those old, largely inoffensive ones. Like would anyone really fight over being called a honky? You'd sooner come to blows over something like wop or mick that isn't even used anymore.

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33. "sketchy"
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I've never heard anyone except YT liberal hipsters use that word to denote an area containing too many black/brown people.

  

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47. "Wow yeah, good one. But what are they suppose to say if the"
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spot has too many black people for their comfort? LOL.


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49. ""is that a 'bad neighborhood'?" "
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Yep. Same thang.

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54. "ive always heard sketchy used more generally"
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but we also have a lot of meth head trailer park areas chock full of inbred white people that nobody really trying to go to either.

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68. "What IS the correct term for a "
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dangerous neighborhood (Black/white/Latino/Whatever)

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76. "a "dangerous neighborhood"."
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just call it that. If it's actually a dangerous neighborhood.

But when some folks call neighborhoods 'sketchy' etc, it's simply because POC reside there. Like when they ask "is that a sketchy neighborhood?" without ever having visited there or knowing anybody who lives there.


I think its the assumption based on the residents that pisses most people off.


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105. "Hmmm"
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I don't get the difference between 'sketchy' and 'dangerous'. Neither of them are explicitly referring to race. Whatever problem you have with 'sketchy'....can't you also have that problem with 'dangerous'? I guess I never thought of sketchy as being code before.

  

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112. "it's not about the word itself."
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>I don't get the difference between 'sketchy' and 'dangerous'.
> Neither of them are explicitly referring to race. Whatever
>problem you have with 'sketchy'....can't you also have that
>problem with 'dangerous'? I guess I never thought of sketchy
>as being code before.


It's about when people assume that a neighborhood is bad based on who lives there ( I thought I answered this in another reply).


"I live in *insert Black/Latino neighborhood*"

"Oh...it's kinda sketchy over there, isn't it?"

Shit like that.


I had a co-worker who was telling a story about being at some shop in the city. She mentioned a certain part of town in passing. Another chick ( who was raised in the burbs and moved into the city post college, of course) blurted out: "Isn't it dangerous over there?!?!?!?" Had NO context, no knowledge of the area, nothing. All she knew is that it was in *that* part of town.

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103. "pretty much although they walk into a meth den and use it, too"
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by and large it means black or latino area, and they think they are being slick. no different than old bigots i used to hear say "it's a little dark in that part of town."

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56. "i have a 50ish co-worker who gets salty because he can't say oriental"
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because it it was fine to say it and then one day it wasn't
and he understands that it's considered offensive, but he always goes on these rants to explain why by definition it shouldn't be considered offensive, and I keep telling him, even if he had a point, does he really want to have to do this every time he says it? let that shit go lol.

  

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58. "But who came up with the definition? Call people what they"
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chose to call themselves or otherwise want to be called.

What's the skin off his teeth to use different language? That's one of the most annoying thing about anti-PC folks. Like why do you care so much about using your old language!?!?

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60. "this is the shit that kills me: people want to be called something or do..."
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want to be called something, how about you respect their wishes??? Is it that fucking hard?

  

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65. "Agreed."
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I can't think of too many times someone insisted on being called something that made me uncomfortable. In fact...I can only think of one and it was a Rachel Dolezal type situation.

But I'm not 60 or 70 years old yet. These euphemisms are changing faster and faster. When they get salty about this stuff....I think they're feeling defensive. Most people don't like being insinuated as being racist or homophobic or sexist. And I think it's hard to deny that some of the situations that arise from this ARE ways for people to do that. If a twenty year old kid tries to insinuate that I'm racist because I use the term 'black people' I can imagine I'd get defensive too.

  

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71. "The only time I thought of it as an annoyance was when"
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I was at an event showcasing young highschool age artist. They each got up and introduced themselves and told us the pronoun they preferred to be addressed with.

I thought it was annoying because there was no chance I was going to remember any of the kids names much less their preferred pronoun so it just struck me as intense navel gazing to expect people to keep up with all of that.

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74. "A thought I had reading this post...."
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I doubt it's an original one. And it's partly influenced by Attilah so Attilah....tell me if you'd agree with this cause (i think) it sounds like something you'd say.

It's impossible to make a racial term that is not inherently problematic. We can never arrive at the one, perfectly constructed terminology that can live forever without us becoming dissatisfied with how it sounds or what it implies. If something is rotten at it's core...whatever we try to build on top of it is going to necessarily be rotten too.

Shogun pointed out that 'minority' implies not belonging. Any term using 'color' implies a secondary state (one starts out as baseline white and then gets 'colored'). Asian-Am or African-am and all forms thereof imply otherness in the absence of 'European-American'. And even if European-American is used....people don't typically identify with entire continents. We've all heard arguments against the traditional 'black', 'white', brown, etc. I mean...most of the newer terms exist BECAUSE we found the traditional ones wanting. It occurred to me....even the terms that I think are the most appropriate can be legitimately challenged and critically evaluated.

Our quest to find the perfect terminology seems destined to never stop. I don't think this means that we should stop trying to do it.....but I think Attilah would agree it's an inherently unsolvable problem.

  

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78. "valid point."
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>
>Our quest to find the perfect terminology seems destined to
>never stop. I don't think this means that we should stop
>trying to do it.....but I think Attilah would agree it's an
>inherently unsolvable problem.

I agree. Each generation will probably find something to dislike about the nomenclature of the previous generation. To your point, in my lifetime I've heard:

Negro
Afro-American
Black
African-American


That's pretty much a new one every decade.

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85. "Yeah there will be no perfect term to describe the imperfect"
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bull shit social construct (that nevertheless has real world consequences) that is race.


>I doubt it's an original one. And it's partly influenced by
>Attilah so Attilah....tell me if you'd agree with this cause
>(i think) it sounds like something you'd say.
>
>It's impossible to make a racial term that is not inherently
>problematic. We can never arrive at the one, perfectly
>constructed terminology that can live forever without us
>becoming dissatisfied with how it sounds or what it implies.
>If something is rotten at it's core...whatever we try to build
>on top of it is going to necessarily be rotten too.
>
>Shogun pointed out that 'minority' implies not belonging. Any
>term using 'color' implies a secondary state (one starts out
>as baseline white and then gets 'colored'). Asian-Am or
>African-am and all forms thereof imply otherness in the
>absence of 'European-American'. And even if European-American
>is used....people don't typically identify with entire
>continents. We've all heard arguments against the traditional
>'black', 'white', brown, etc. I mean...most of the newer
>terms exist BECAUSE we found the traditional ones wanting. It
>occurred to me....even the terms that I think are the most
>appropriate can be legitimately challenged and critically
>evaluated.
>
>Our quest to find the perfect terminology seems destined to
>never stop. I don't think this means that we should stop
>trying to do it.....but I think Attilah would agree it's an
>inherently unsolvable problem.


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86. "Right."
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Even if the term starts out innocuous....give it 10 to 15 years of use and it will BECOME offensive. I'm sure there was a time 'negro' was innocuous. After being used to invoke race for a couple decades....it picks up ugly associations along the way and eventually becomes a dirty word.

It's almost like racism is a disease for words and terminology. Once they are invoked in association with race...they've got the debilitating bug.

  

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113. "'sketchy' is often used as code for 'black' "
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i hear it often. i hear black neighborhoods that AREN'T dangerous labeled as 'sketchy'. by ppl who aren't black.

but i also hear 'sketchy' used in other ways.

fuck you.

  

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59. "**nappy**"
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i've heard both #FFFFFF men/women use the word in and out of proper context and it gets me edgy....

like im gonna have to smooooooth cuss someone out, then commit property damage.

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77. "I just had that convo with a friend. That one doesn't bother me."
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She doesn't like it, and finds it offensive. She brought up the Don Imus thing. And obviously he was wrong, but I took bigger offense to him calling them 'hoes'. To her point, I'm not about to let a white person call me nappy headed ANYTHING. but the term itself doesn't really bother me.

I've referred to myself as nappy headed, a few times. And I've called my little (male) relatives the same. I could see why a sister wouldn't like it, though. I'm an old geezer, so it's probably a term that younger folks don't like. But if another Black person calls me nappy headed, I'm not offended ( unless I just got a fresh cut, and I'm stylin on ya'll).

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64. "when i hear educated black women being called..."
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Sassy....


that one gets me all the time..


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72. "Pardon moi while I get my Uncle Ruckus on, but what is an OFAY?"
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As stated by the pre-eminent Gator Purify, "You mean...Yo ofay ain't got no mo-nay?!?!"

I've heard that one tossed about too but it don't hurt 'em.

  

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79. "I've heard it too, but never knew the origin."
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That's some old man shit, LOL.

I'm curious too.


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91. "pig latin for "foe""
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is what i've heard

  

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75. "'Racialized (insert color) bodies'"
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From what I can tell this is the new go-to critical theory term that progressives are advocating. I mentioned this in another post and I'd appreciate if someone could break it down for me. My guess is that this one will not last long.

I was kinda surprised that the word 'body' is being used. There's a racist history in defining black people by their bodies in contrast to defining white people by their minds. So my first reaction was this term seems to feed into that. Why are we substituting 'people' with 'bodies' when referring to POC?

Secondly, the term 'racialized' or 'racialization' seems to be misused here. From wikipedia:

In sociology, racialization or ethnicization is the processes of ascribing ethnic or racial identities to a relationship, social practice, or group that did not identify itself as such.

So how does that apply to a typical black, brown person today? If they freely identify as black...how can they be racialized? From the definition given...I was thinking more along the lines of someone mistakenly thought to be brown while online because they identify as muslim. Or an African immigrant in North America who checks off 'black' on applications and census surveys who never identified as 'black' while growing up.

I considered the possibility that advocates of the term were saying that POC were racialized at birth....but that would apply to white people too so using the term 'racialized person' would refer to all races...not just POC.

I found this in regards to the use of 'body':
http://www.sunypress.edu/pdf/61206.pdf

And this which also includes 'racialization':
https://www.sss.ias.edu/files/pdfs/Fassin/Racialization.pdf

And I found this 'new' definition of racialization:

is the process through which groups come to be designated as different and on that basis subjected to unequal treatment. Racialized groups include people who might experience differential treatment on the basis of race, ethnicity, language, religion or culture. Racialized groups are treated outside the norm and receive unequal treatment based on their race. Racialization can extend to specific traits and attributes, which are connected to racialized people and deemed to be abnormal and of less worth. Besides physical characteristics of people, other characteristics that are commonly racialized are accent, speech, name, clothing, diet, intelligence, beliefs, practices and habits.

Notice here how this new definition has omitted what was seemingly the most important criteria of the traditional definition. Specifically, that the individual or group DID NOT IDENTIFY with the label they were given.


  

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80. "lol makes me remember the AFRICANIZED BEES! scare from the 80's"
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81. "What's your take?"
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I went down the 'racialized (color) body' rabbit hole last night at work. Sure enough....it's literally EVERYWHERE now in the college/university race studies programs. Curious to know...do you think it's useful? An improvement on 'POC' or other terminology?

One thing I know for sure....i won't be saying 'Hey do you remember that guy we met last night? The racialized black body?' (as opposed to 'the black guy') to anyone anytime soon. In fact....even if a white person were writing an academic paper....isn't there gonna be some discomfort in white people using that term?

  

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90. "My take is attempts to create definitions to make sense of race fail "
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I understand your question and what you're asking about, but from where I stand the confusion or lack of clarity in what your presenting is a direct result of the subject matter (i.e. race) being fundamentally nonsensical in nature.

  

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107. "Yeah."
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I think this post has actually learned me something. I completely agree with what your saying.

  

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88. "Fuck that shit. AFRICANIZED BEES sounds hardcore."
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I was hoping they'd be like the size of pigeons or someshit.


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92. "They had folks thinking they'd be that big and black with no yellow "
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95. "LMAO!!!"
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87. "too academic and lame"
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it's a term for psychology/sociology textbooks, not actual conversation. also a perfect title for a mid-2000's IR porn film

"person of color" seems like something encoded in the operating system of a killer robot

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89. "lmao... perfect description. "
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93. ""African""
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yes I'm African but can you be more specific? we are not a monolith!

  

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96. "Yep. That's why I don't use "African American""
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98. "Honorable Mention: "Off the reservation""
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99. "Know what phrase I hate? "Of Color""
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OK, so lemme get this straight. "Colored" is an antiquated term used primarily for black people that we don't like or use. Good. I don't like it, I don't use it. Linguistically, "of color" and "colored" are just different constructions of the exact same thing. I get that "of color" extends to other minorities, right? Like Latinos are POC and some people will say Asians or Sephardic Jews or whatever are "people of color" also. That, to me, is the same as the loathsome phrase "non-white," wherein white is established as the norm and also as something worth of individual distinction while everything else is "non-white." Explain the *substantive* difference between "non-white" and "of color." It doesn't exist. "Of color" is just the arbitrary, PC way to say the same shit we decided to stop saying already.

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104. "I hate illegal immigrant, too, but I don't get mad when people use it"
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Now I actually read the link and it says some things I have thought on some of these terms. When it comes to illegal immigrant (not illegal alein--the person is not from another planet lol), I agree with the style guide. It's accurate if not appropriate but it has a loaded connotation and alternatives should be considered.

That said I saw a vid posted (actually by an OKP) wherein there was a "debate" on cable news and some Trumper said "illegal immigrants a--" and the woman debating him started shouting him down and lecturing him on not using the term. Now there was no debate or exchange of ideas. IMO when people use loaded or even derogatory terms, it's more about taking a number and quietly noting their attitude, opposition, indifference or antagonism, but then move onto the substance of the argument, which should be easy to win.

I told the fellow OKP'er that we on the left were getting too bogged down in nomenclature, which used to be what the conservative establishment did (e.g. insurgent, not rebel, or regime, not government, when they wanted to demonize some foreign entity). She got very upset and was like "WHAT OTHER TERMS DO YOU WANNA HEAR USED THAT WE DON'T USE ANYMORE?" In a way her missing my point illustrated it. The terms people think in do reflect their thinking to an extent, but we don't change how they think by controlling how they speak. That just creates greater resentment and doesn't convey the real message we want to get across. It makes it about semantics, not substance, which is a superficial way of trying to win an argument rather than a means of making profound impact upon someone with wrongheaded ideas.

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108. "Agreed and well-put."
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Even worse than 'illegal immigrant' is the one that truly makes me cringe the most....calling someone 'an illegal'. It's like someone sat down and thought to themselves 'how can we dehumanize these people EVEN MORE?' I've got a tshirt I wear proudly that says 'People aren't illegal'.

In anycase...I also agree with your point about making our discourse with people we don't agree with more efficient and effective. Even though I hate the term 'an illegal'...it's probably not what I should be focused on when debating and trying to persuade a Trump supporter.

  

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110. ""An illegal" is just stupid, that's not even a noun for fuck's sake."
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106. "the idignant ''i voted for trump'' confession"
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like that shit wasnt as painfully obvious as the pickup truck u drove here in lol.

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109. "Question for Jewish brethren:"
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Is the term 'jew' offensive? I've always felt a little uncomfortable with using it so I tend to word things so that I say 'jewish people' instead of 'jews'?

Is there any informal consensus on this with Jewish people? Is 'jew' offensive for some?

  

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111. "Not in and of itself, I guess it can be in context but it's very obvious"
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If someone says "Jews in Estonia reduced in number steadily throughout the 20th century" or "The primary consumers of corned beef are Jews" or something, who cares? I mean that would be a really stupid fucking thing to get upset about. We are Jews, I mean, that is what we are called and call ourselves and it's really that simple.

But when someone is like "The Jews at Facebook are good at not paying taxes," or "I bet it's the Jews pulling the strings," I mean it's clear from the context that Jews is being used in a way that's derogatory. It usually comes with an intonation that adds emphasis but even written it's clear. I guess it's hard to explain, I mean not only is the statement accusatory, critical and condemning, it transforms an innocuous word into a slur in some cases. I sold a sweet ass Erik Karlsson gamer to a guy on eBay and he later opened a Facebook account and friended me. Within a week it was full of statements like these (Facebook one was a quote from him), speeches from Goebbels and sorts of fucked up shit. I was like *block* bitch!

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