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"Why are some African Americans so threatened by black Brits? (swipe)"
Fri Mar-10-17 02:02 PM by Firecracker

  

          

Hmmmm


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Unpacking the debate sparked by Samuel L. Jackson, John Boyega and Black Twitter as to whether black Brits are really stealing the culture and jobs of African Americans

The claim that black Brits have been appropriating African American culture and picking up their acting jobs along the way has been causing us some consternation. Not least because, Samuel L Jackson, one of our faves, sparked the storm when critiquing Jordan Peele’s white supremacy-fuelled thriller Get Out. “There are a lot of black British actors in these movies,” Jackson told New York radio station Hot 97 earlier this week. “I tend to wonder what Get Out would have been with an American brother who really feels that.”

Even before this a wealth of Twitter threads suggested that the relationship between African American’s and the diaspora were not as peaceful as we’d like to believe. “Diasporically, there is a current of anti-African American bias”, tweeted American writer Chaédria LaBouvier (who wrote an excellent piece about Basquiat for us recently). She lived in Europe for six months last summer and explained that she had experienced a reluctance from black Brits to acknowledge the impact African American culture has had on the wider world. “People will absolutely say that African American’s don’t have culture,” she said – adding that “fam” was originally an “African American Vernacular English” phrase that was appropriated by black, Multicultural London English-speaking Brits. Ok, fam...

In response to these conflicts, it was angrily suggested that not only do African Americans have something of a monopoly on how black people are perceived and portrayed in the western world which, as put by Buzzfeed writer Bim Adewunmi, “flattens and reduces other blacknesses”, but also that as an ethnicity we shouldn’t be seeking out squabbles. Star Wars actor John Boyega, in response to Jackson’s comments, for instance, called the situation a “stupid ass conflict we don't have time for”. We’re inclined to agree, but at the same time acknowledging our differences and engaging in the ways which we can support each other as a loose unit isn’t necessarily a bad thing. And this debate, as trivial as it may seem, could be an opportunity to do that.

As Adewumni suggested, what Samuel L. Jackson and the majority of American black Twitter aren’t acknowledging is the hypervisibility of African Americans in the diaspora. Visibility doesn’t mean they are privileged in any sense of the word, but their culture is far more understood since the world looks at the black experience through a predominantly American lens. It is gladly sustained by a film industry where black British actors, like Boyega, are treated as if their Britishness detracts from their blackness. They are othered by their own tongue and often lose their accents in Hollywood movies. In the few film narratives that do focus on black people, those of us outside the African American diaspora are almost always invisible.

Of course, this is in part a natural consequence to African American’s proximity to the global hub of cinema. And it isn’t hard to see why black actors, like actors from all over the world, are flocking from the UK to Hollywood. Other than the fact that American films are extremely lucrative, it’s been found that there are limited options at home for black actors. Research by the British Film Institute showed that in the last 10 years, only 13 per cent of films had a black actor in a leading role, and six in 10 films had no named black characters at all. It also found that there is a frustrating lack of variety of the types of black people on UK screens – they’re more likely to appear in crime movies than any other genre. It makes sense then that many actors of colour feel like they have to cross the Atlantic to pursue their careers.

As a former black power activist that once held Martin Luther King’s father hostage to make space for black academics, Jackson is fully aware of the struggle for representation. By his own admission, his pursuit of acting was a way of channelling his political ambitions, changing opinions by taking roles in mainstream cinema. Many have pointed out that actors like him paved the way for increased diversity in Hollywood and black Brits are reaping the benefits of the Americans that suffered before them. However, Jackson and his cohort should not chastise black Brits for taking the opportunities on offer, rather they should be angry at a system that provides so few roles that it leaves a whole race of people begging for scraps. Perhaps a US actor would have a different perspective on how to portray the protagonist in Get Out, or Martin Luther King in Selma – our experiences are not always the same – but they deserve to yield the same influence Jackson dreamed of at the beginning of his career.

One of the most frustrating things about this whole debate is how little the African Americans who are weighing in on black Britishness know about our history and culture. Even the UK school curriculum teaches black British children more about African American history than their own. Our knowledge of the slave trade barely touches on Britain’s uniquely shameful involvement, and the continued erasure of England’s own fight for civil rights is deplorable. We learn about the Ku Klux Klan, segregation and the American Civil Rights movement in detail, only to hear about the “no dogs, no Irish, no black” signs hung on British shopfronts from our grandparents. Our history encompasses beatings at the hands of the Teddy Boys and skinheads, the birth of black churches in response to being shunned by white congregations, parties in the front room of our homes for fear of getting into trouble in the mainstream pubs and clubs, and the many race riots that happened throughout the 70s and 80s due to racial tension. And yet it is mostly reduced to an oral history, seemingly unworthy of being valued by our education system and, up until recently, rarely seen on TV.

There’s no denying how influential African American culture has been on black Brits. In the absence of black British sitcoms, programmes like The Cosby Show and comedians like Richard Pryor and the works of Spike Lee were the only reflection of blackness that British children were given and they could relate because of the shared experience of racism and feeling of being “other”. The idea that we are infringing and appropriating it is misinformed, creating an oppression Olympics where there needn’t be one. That’s why it’s disappointing that Azealia Banks is comfortable labelling grime and UK rap a “disgrace”, considering both have become important ways of telling our own narratives in a distinctly British style. Americans may need to bite their tongue when weighing in on black British culture, our identity is a nuanced, personal thing – it isn’t yours to undermine.

When fighting for racial equality, it does nothing to undermine the struggle of others who have stood in solidarity with you. People are starting to realise that for the feminist movement to be successful, it needs to be intersectional, yet in the fight against racism, some African American’s have opted to create division within the diaspora. Our respective residences should not divorce us from our common blackness. African American’s need not labour under the misapprehension that because they haven’t seen us killed by our own police, or hosed down in the streets while campaigning for rights that it has never happened. It’s just that unlike them the story of our unique struggle remains largely unheard. Rather than argue over whose struggle is worse, the anger needs to be aimed at creating spaces for all of us in the entertainment industry. And in the meantime, we can still be a part of the wider narrative by taking roles that highlight the racism we all face.



http://www.dazeddigital.com/artsandculture/article/35089/1/why-african-americans-threatened-by-black-brits-samuel-l-jackson-get-out

  

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lol..who/where are these Black people that are threatened ??
Mar 10th 2017
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sound like a hollywood problem
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The thing with that is that white American actors....
Mar 10th 2017
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It's just there's no roles for em in the UK
Mar 10th 2017
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Brit Actors - Black & White
Mar 10th 2017
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This is something I've wondered about with all of Hollywood
Mar 10th 2017
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Stringer Bell bri'ish tho
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      That shit shocked me...
Mar 10th 2017
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Reason is real or perceived scarcity, like most xenophobia backlash
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Who in Moonlight was bad?
Mar 10th 2017
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Nobody?
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uh. SA actors mad about losing a SA role
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      Fair enough on this point:
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RE: Reason is real or perceived scarcity, like most xenophobia backlash
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      yeah, i love naomie and loved moonlight
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           Oh, the mom? Didn't know she was British
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                she's Moneypenny in the Bond films
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                     Oh, haven't seen it
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Black Americans just don't like folks on that "Everybody wants to be a.....
Mar 10th 2017
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I not familiar with the lead actor in GET OUT
Mar 10th 2017
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wait, the dude in Get Out is British?
Mar 10th 2017
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Beans and Mash
Mar 10th 2017
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Sam Jack's been a consistent champ for young Black Amercian actors...
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Especially when the film deals with racism in America
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I would make the argument about fighting for scraps
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I think this is essentially "outsourcing", Hollywood-style
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I'm just hear to add: Studios don't care where the actor is from.
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Unless they from the Americas it's not the same.experience
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That's why they call it acting.
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      You can't be that dense?
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           Can you?
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           he's right, Hopkins isnt a serial killer, Gyllenhal isnt gay, DeNiro isn...
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funny, i was just talking about this.
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because wtf cares? Stupid article and that's no dis to the poster
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Sam Jack also said British actors tend to be cheaper than American ones
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because they go to acting school and do plays
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^^^^^
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from rappers taken all the jobs to now Black Brits Oh Lawd!!!!
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This idea that actors need2 have same background as characters is
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RE: This idea that actors need2 have same background as characters is
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I doubt most actors or studios are in it for the art these days
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FLUIDJ
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1. "lol..who/where are these Black people that are threatened ??"
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now i'll go read that long ass article to see if my question is answered .

  

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2. "sound like a hollywood problem"
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white british people taking a bunch of the good white man roles too. maybe brits just get better acting training.

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29. "The thing with that is that white American actors...."
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...aren't starving for parts compared to Black American actors. There's more room at the table for white Brits and white Americans compared to Black Americans and black Brits.



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3. "It's just there's no roles for em in the UK"
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Its nuts to even type it out, but as #oscarsowhite as it can be, for actors of color Hollywood is basically it because as kumbaya as they want to portray overseas they give their people of color NO shine, not even as Gangmember #3

Even homie from The Night Of spoke on it

http://www.spin.com/2017/03/riz-ahmed-parliament-diversity-isis/

If you're a thandie newton you basically GOTTA go to Hollywood (like Riz did) to get to the next level and since roles are basically written by color (although there's slow movement away from this direction)..you're taking someone else's slot.

My beef is the fact that we hating on a black man or woman getting a job as if the niggas overseas is all teas and crumpets and don't deal with being marginalized, fucked with the police, etc.

Hell, in France them niggas been rioting because the cops there pulled a good old 'punctured colon with a nightstick' like Louima in New York.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/06/french-police-brutality-in-spotlight-again-after-officer-charged-with

Shit isn't sweet overseas, I ain't hating on no niggas getting a job, even if they got an accent.

  

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4. "Brit Actors - Black & White"
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are hustlers. They will take any gig they can. American actors have been '...I don't do TV, just film' or 'I don't do film, just theatre'. Brits are 'I do ALL that shit, just give me a job'.


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5. "This is something I've wondered about with all of Hollywood"
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A lot of Canadian, Aussie, UK actors and host on late night TV.

I alsways wondered if it was to save on taxes or some other angle.

When it comes to Black actors tho, I think it's that damn accent. They sound polished.

Or maybe they just don't want to give american niggas new money

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7. "Stringer Bell bri'ish tho"
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14. "That shit shocked me... "
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Pretty much reinforced my conspiracy that Hollywood doesn't like Americans.

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6. "Reason is real or perceived scarcity, like most xenophobia backlash"
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This falls into xenophobia lite tho

I will say that

1) there is an argument to be made of american blacks having a unique story, and so yea, maybe something is lost in some roles done by non US actors


2)sis in moonlight was bad. And the accent was worse.

3) nobody was trippin when Jennifer mofo Hudson played Winnie mofo Mandela




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8. "Who in Moonlight was bad?"
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I thought everyone in Moonlight was fye

ESPECIALLY the big homie J-Mon

  

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11. "Nobody?"
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http://www.imdb.com/news/ni1269463/
http://www.channel24.co.za/News/Local/SA-actors-reject-Hudson-20091207-2

>3) nobody was trippin when Jennifer mofo Hudson played Winnie
>mofo Mandela

  

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30. "uh. SA actors mad about losing a SA role"
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The point is,unless Sam jax is speaking out on American actors paying African roles, its kinda disingenuous



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41. "Fair enough on this point:"
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>unless Sam jax is speaking out on American actors
>paying African roles, its kinda disingenuous

I think it's wack when American actors practice and accent an play a non-American black character when the casting agents could have done a little more work and actually found someone that at least sounds authentic.

  

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12. "RE: Reason is real or perceived scarcity, like most xenophobia backlash"
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Her accent was AWFUL. But toward the end of the movie, it wasn't as distracting.

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13. "yeah, i love naomie and loved moonlight"
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but, i agree


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21. "Oh, the mom? Didn't know she was British"
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And I thought she was aiiiight

  

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26. "she's Moneypenny in the Bond films"
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>And I thought she was aiiiight
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38. "Oh, haven't seen it"
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Cool

>>RE: she's Moneypenny in the Bond films

>>And I thought she was aiiiight
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9. "Black Americans just don't like folks on that "Everybody wants to be a....."
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Ok, I have no idea what all (or even most) Black Americans actually like, so it's just MY opinion in this post.

That "Oh, I'm not one of *them*" mentality generally irks the fuck outta Black folks. (not saying this is what's going on here, but it's easy to get that perception when someone makes sure to let everyone know that they aren't like you). Black Americans put in a lot of work to improve our lot in this country, with a lot of blood, sweat and tears in-between. Saying shit like this:

>As Adewumni suggested, what Samuel L. Jackson and the majority of
>American black Twitter aren’t acknowledging is the hypervisibility
>of African Americans in the diaspora. Visibility doesn’t mean they
>are privileged in any sense of the word, but their culture is far
>more understood since the world looks at the black experience
>through a predominantly American lens. It is gladly sustained by a
>film industry where black British actors, like Boyega, are treated
>as if their Britishness detracts from their blackness. They are
>othered by their own tongue and often lose their accents in
>Hollywood movies. In the few film narratives that do focus on black
>people, those of us outside the African American diaspora are almost
>always invisible.

Tells me the author doesn't get it. That "hypervisibility" wasn't and isn't free, and the reason that their "Britishness detracts from their blackness" is because they are playing BLACK AMERICAN characters, and Black Americans don't talk with British accents. Imagine how dumb it would be if Stringer Bell talked like some bloke from South London? FOH.

It's like Black Americans should, for some unknown reason, be humble about the gains that we've had to fight tooth-and-nail for since we been here.



...and who is threatened or even has a problem with black british actors anyway? Seems like a strawman, like Sam Jack was wondering how much more "into" the role an AA actor would be, because the AA actor probably experienced the some of the racial situations that are commonplace in America first-hand.

  

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15. "I not familiar with the lead actor in GET OUT"
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but if I was a Black American actor I would feel threatened. Type of job that can change your film career.

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10. "wait, the dude in Get Out is British?"
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16. "Beans and Mash"
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17. "Sam Jack's been a consistent champ for young Black Amercian actors..."
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...who go to acting classes and bust their asses on the grind. And he's been consistently against instances when young Black American actors getting passed over for parts that he believes that they should be playing.

This goes back to him talking trashing about 50 Cent re: the GRDOT movie. He said the studio approached him about playing a role in the movie, and he turned them down because 1) He thought the studio was just using him to add "legitimacy" to the movie and 2) He didn't like the idea of rappers with no acting training coming in and taking roles that other Black American actors could be getting.

I see this as a natural outgrowth of Sam's beliefs: Why should studios have Black British actors Americans when there are so many Black American actors out there.

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20. "Especially when the film deals with racism in America"
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One of the first things Peele said when interviewed about the actor was dude could cry on command.

I think he prolly got the role based on that since it's used so much in the promos.

Seems like most of the acting was "yo, wtf" while looking at white people.

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18. "I would make the argument about fighting for scraps"
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but when you need those scraps to feed your family...

  

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19. "I think this is essentially "outsourcing", Hollywood-style"
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Black brits are indistinguishable from African Americans once they overcome the accent. So it's an easy substitution if the script actually calls for a black person.

Add to that a lack of name recognition in the US and an actor motivated to break into the American media and you can probably get the same talent level for less.

The producers and casting directors don't give a damn about most of what the original article is talking about.

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22. "I'm just hear to add: Studios don't care where the actor is from. "
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Unless they're throwing in a Chinese name to appease our new cinematic overlords.

  

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23. "Unless they from the Americas it's not the same.experience"
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Nigerian, Ghanaian etx folk from the continent actually are immigrants their experience has some similarities but the nuances make all the difference. Many "Black" brits that aint from the colonies in the Americas chose to assimilate hence the euro first names and indigenous last that may seem minor but it's just the tip of the iceburg and speaks volumes.

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24. "That's why they call it acting. "
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25. "You can't be that dense? "
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Or maybe so that's not even the point good try at deflecting tho.

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28. "Can you?"
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31. "he's right, Hopkins isnt a serial killer, Gyllenhal isnt gay, DeNiro isn..."
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>Or maybe so that's not even the point good try at deflecting
>tho.

  

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27. "funny, i was just talking about this. "
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but its not just black people

seems like australians are also taking a lot of spots as well.

v. interesting.

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32. "because wtf cares? Stupid article and that's no dis to the poster"
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33. "Sam Jack also said British actors tend to be cheaper than American ones"
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when he was asked on Hot 97.
I only skimmed the article here due to
time, but I think that's worth mentioning
here. The interview is on YouTube.

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34. "because they go to acting school and do plays "
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Americans, black, white, brown, etc don't do this as much anymore. They try to fast track by taking classes here and there. Where as the really good North American actors also have similar backgrounds studying the art and doings broadway plays along the way. The whole mentality of just looking good, modelling, pop star fame, has people trying to skip learning the art because hollywood has been getting away with it but I think it has caught up with Hollywood as this new generation doesn't have their the same type of movie stars we had growing up

  

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36. "^^^^^"
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35. "from rappers taken all the jobs to now Black Brits Oh Lawd!!!!"
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always something and lets be real Being a Black Actor in Hollywood is you just having to hang on to what you got period and built on it, we already know that White folks in Hollywood gonna do what they gonna do.

if Seal or Dizzy Rascall or Slick Rick could act they would get roles as well.
still gotta battle.

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37. "This idea that actors need2 have same background as characters is "
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artistically bankrupt and it's hard to respect the creative mind of someone who thinks this way. It's weak as hell and shows an utter lack of imagination or appreciation of the concept of acting.

  

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39. "RE: This idea that actors need2 have same background as characters is "
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All of this!

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40. "I doubt most actors or studios are in it for the art these days "
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