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bwood
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"Star Wars: Episode VIII - The Last Jedi "


          

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Cool name. I trust Rian Johnson to bring it hope
Jan 23rd 2017
1
Yea that first comment made me laugh
Jan 23rd 2017
2
RE: Yea that first comment made me laugh
Jan 23rd 2017
3
LMAO.
Jan 23rd 2017
10
Dawg Rian Johnson is about to crush the buildings
Jan 23rd 2017
4
This makes me ridiculously happy, I legit have a foolish grin right now
Jan 23rd 2017
5
MAN im glad they changed directors
Jan 23rd 2017
6
what star wars movie could you watch 2.5 more hours of?
Jan 23rd 2017
9
dog do you get the conjecture?
Jan 23rd 2017
13
      this is the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life
Jan 23rd 2017
14
      have a good evening
Jan 23rd 2017
16
           a lot of folks don't want to admit TFA was hot garbage
Jan 23rd 2017
17
                a lot of people want to pretend that it was
Jan 23rd 2017
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                Basically that shit was amazing
Jan 23rd 2017
20
                the legacy of the franchise carried that film.
Jan 24th 2017
22
                     There's a TON of middle ground between hot garbage and
Jan 24th 2017
26
                          I completely don't understand what SW movie we could use
Jan 24th 2017
28
                               He wasn't saying that TFA was like STID. He was saying that
Jan 25th 2017
31
                                    There's no reason to expect a sequel to TFA
Jan 25th 2017
35
      shouts to you being unable to answer the question
Jan 23rd 2017
19
           I think yall having 2 different convos
Jan 24th 2017
24
                thank you
Jan 24th 2017
25
                which is a weird thing to say, but a position you can have
Jan 24th 2017
29
                     Makes perfect sense to me
Jan 25th 2017
32
                          ok, name the Star Wars movie that you couldn't say that about
Jan 25th 2017
36
i see hating TFA is the cool thing to do nowadays
Jan 23rd 2017
21
It is a cool film, but like I said JJ abrams shit gets old fast
Jan 24th 2017
23
      No OKP mentality gets old fast lol
Jan 24th 2017
27
      well, that's 100% true. I probably hate JJ more than you do
Jan 24th 2017
30
Rian Johnson is gonna crush it b.
Jan 25th 2017
33
That title is perfect. Simple, but still brings up questions...
Jan 23rd 2017
7
Luke is the last Jedi, it's his job to bring the Jedi order back
Jan 23rd 2017
8
this new canon...and (The Clone Wars)
Jan 23rd 2017
11
"Jedi" can also be plural...
Jan 23rd 2017
12
      good point
Jan 23rd 2017
15
I noticed the words "Star Wars" are in red this time
Jan 25th 2017
34
John Boyega put the poster on Instagram
Jan 25th 2017
37
I'm not a huge SW fan, but I'm pumped like shit for this
Jan 25th 2017
38
Y in December?
Jan 25th 2017
39
Because money.
Jan 26th 2017
40
Cause they OWN that month now.
Jan 26th 2017
41
Saw the trailer today in full IMAX before my screening of GotG Vol. 2
Apr 13th 2017
42
I hate you lol
Apr 13th 2017
44
I can't get behind these new ones but I'm glad folks are liking it overa...
Apr 13th 2017
43
LOL. What's wrong with the new one's?
Apr 13th 2017
45
Nothing's wrong with 'em. Nothing at all. I liked 'em.
Apr 13th 2017
46
These are actually the best ones... you trippin
Apr 14th 2017
52
      I'm sure. I totally agree with the post about Abrams and his approach
Apr 15th 2017
57
Trailer
Apr 14th 2017
47
WOW
Apr 14th 2017
48
So geeeeked for it!!!
Apr 14th 2017
49
That last line by Luke "the Jedi must end"....
Apr 14th 2017
50
I like it
Apr 14th 2017
51
Doesn't do much for me, but I'm sure the film will be great
Apr 14th 2017
53
great gosh amighty
Apr 14th 2017
54
Lol
Apr 14th 2017
55
yep looks like star wars.
Apr 14th 2017
56
Trailer niggas!!!
Oct 09th 2017
58
So sick
Oct 09th 2017
59
daaaaaaaaaaaaamn
Oct 09th 2017
60
Who is cutting onions in here?
Oct 09th 2017
61
So Kylo Ren kills his father
Oct 09th 2017
62
      I still have a feeling...
Oct 10th 2017
63
      RE: So Kylo Ren kills his father
Oct 10th 2017
64
      Yup. Force Awakens was one big decoy
Oct 10th 2017
65
      i don’t think it’s that blatant.
Oct 10th 2017
69
           you could be right...
Oct 10th 2017
71
      people in the background look too nonchalant...i don't think that happen...
Oct 10th 2017
67
      chrue
Oct 10th 2017
72
      Leia lives through this movie
Oct 10th 2017
70
           They didn't confirm that Leia dies after this movie. Just that they
Oct 10th 2017
75
                they indeed confirned that she lives through this movie
Oct 10th 2017
77
                     see I told your ass
Dec 17th 2017
103
Not fucking with Star Wars anymore. Been getting progressively cornier
Oct 10th 2017
66
Did you see Rogue? That shit was dark as hell fam.
Oct 10th 2017
68
Rebels definitely didn't get corny....
Oct 10th 2017
73
how can anyone say SW is "getting" corny after RotJ
Oct 10th 2017
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      lol, fair enough. I forgot about the Ewoks
Oct 10th 2017
76
      lol
Dec 12th 2017
79
Rian Johnson just dropped the mic.
Dec 11th 2017
78
My full spoiler-free review
Dec 12th 2017
80
*DAP*
Dec 12th 2017
81
Word! As a big Rian Johnson fan, I've been hyped for this since his name
Dec 12th 2017
82
is Finn prominent in this one?
Dec 12th 2017
83
      Yes. Very much so.
Dec 12th 2017
84
Anyone going tonight?
Dec 14th 2017
85
I saw it in a regular no frills theater
Dec 14th 2017
87
I'm seeing it on Monday in 4DX
Dec 14th 2017
86
More enjoyable than TFA but, honestly, played the same cards
Dec 14th 2017
88
Outside some similarities, I don't see...
Dec 15th 2017
91
      Maaaaan
Dec 15th 2017
92
           totally agree *mild SPOILERS*
Dec 15th 2017
93
           I was talking about this with a friend yesterday
Dec 16th 2017
96
                I disagree with everything you said.
Dec 16th 2017
97
                So do i
Dec 16th 2017
99
                Yeah. It felt like product, with moments of creativity here and there
Dec 16th 2017
100
           Wish I could have read your review before I went to see the movie
Dec 15th 2017
94
Too jokey but other than that it was lit
Dec 15th 2017
89
Middle Third of the flick is great and hella interesting
Dec 15th 2017
90
Bought a ticket for Tuesday
Dec 15th 2017
95
I saw it. Straight Flames.
Dec 16th 2017
98
Phasma! Phasma! Phasma!
Dec 16th 2017
101
RE: Star Wars: Episode VIII - The Last Jedi
Dec 17th 2017
102
Loved it
Dec 18th 2017
104
how do you DROP bombs in outer space?
Dec 18th 2017
105
How do you have space ships with no autopilot or cruise control?
Dec 18th 2017
106
By using the force
Dec 18th 2017
108
Lol I've seen this complaint on other comments
Dec 19th 2017
127
Can't wait for my nigga Rian to y'all mad with his new trilogy...
Dec 18th 2017
107
You calling him nigga confused me.
Dec 18th 2017
110
      It's the Trenton in me. I call everyone nigga.
Dec 18th 2017
112
I'm a bit surprised to see nothing but positive reviews in here (so far)
Dec 18th 2017
109
First SW movie I've seen. They overused humor way too many times (spoile...
Dec 18th 2017
111
Not killing Leia makes sense
Dec 18th 2017
114
RE: First SW movie I've seen. They overused humor way too many times (sp...
Dec 18th 2017
115
the phone call was literally the beginning of the movie
Dec 18th 2017
122
      Yeah. The phone call joke was basically the same thing as Poe's
Dec 19th 2017
128
           like, folks don't have to like it, it's a choice
Dec 19th 2017
130
you've never ever seen a star wars movie
Dec 18th 2017
117
      Reading so many bad takes...
Dec 18th 2017
120
      I feel like people are afraid to say they just didn't like it
Dec 18th 2017
123
      RE: you've never ever seen a star wars movie
Dec 18th 2017
124
Saw it three times
Dec 18th 2017
113
RE: Saw it three times
Dec 18th 2017
116
Yeah I don't believe the parents thing
Dec 19th 2017
125
Kylo doesn’t even have to be lying to be wrong....
Dec 20th 2017
140
      Yeah thats true
Dec 20th 2017
143
RE: Saw it three times
Dec 20th 2017
133
      Yoda told Luke Rey "had what she needed"
Dec 20th 2017
138
Finn is obviously going to pick Poe.
Dec 18th 2017
121
      Of course!
Dec 20th 2017
134
That shit was TRASSSHHHHH!
Dec 18th 2017
118
To be fair Harold Lloyd - almost all movies now have sound
Dec 18th 2017
119
was that supposed to be funny?
Dec 21st 2017
162
RE: That shit was TRASSSHHHHH!
Dec 19th 2017
126
wonderful reset of the franchise
Dec 19th 2017
129
k I saw it
Dec 20th 2017
131
exactly. people don't have to love or even like it.
Dec 20th 2017
132
RE: exactly. people don't have to love or even like it.
Dec 20th 2017
136
pretty much
Dec 22nd 2017
169
Okay there were 2 things I didn't like
Dec 21st 2017
157
didn't like it. (spoilers)
Dec 20th 2017
135
Wait a min. spoilers
Dec 20th 2017
137
RE: Wait a min. spoilers
Dec 20th 2017
139
well, if the rule is that the limits of the force are the original trilo...
Dec 20th 2017
142
      i dunno...plot?
Jan 10th 2018
252
           what continuity do you need? you don't want anything new or unseen.
Jan 10th 2018
258
                yea i do (spoilers)
Jan 11th 2018
262
                     I agree on all of that
Jan 11th 2018
264
I could not watch that video
Dec 20th 2017
147
soooo
Dec 20th 2017
141
you're trying too hard
Dec 20th 2017
145
quit lying boy.
Dec 21st 2017
152
      Dog, you gotta stop
Dec 21st 2017
167
my first problem was actually the stupid fucking opening scene.
Dec 27th 2017
234
I mostly agree (spoilers)
Dec 20th 2017
144
who's the villain?
Dec 20th 2017
146
      lol pretty much
Dec 20th 2017
148
           Yup. The basics of story are all fucked up in this joint
Dec 20th 2017
150
                LOL. it's hilarious watching people use their wikipedia knowledge
Dec 21st 2017
153
                Okay I’ve gotta talk about the Leia in space thing.
Dec 21st 2017
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                     RE: Okay I’ve gotta talk about the Leia in space thing.
Dec 22nd 2017
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                          yeah, it's super realistic how obi wan uses the force to lie to random p...
Dec 22nd 2017
175
                               mind control
Dec 22nd 2017
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                                    She is force sensitive
Dec 22nd 2017
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                                    RE: She is force sensitive
Dec 23rd 2017
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                                         I made the Mace argument earlier...
Dec 24th 2017
219
                                    so, your defense of it, is that it has been in the movies.
Dec 22nd 2017
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                                         RE: so, your defense of it, is that it has been in the movies.
Dec 23rd 2017
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                                              um. presumably you like the old movies at least a little.
Dec 27th 2017
232
thats an extremely bleak take on it i think
Dec 20th 2017
149
i have the some of the same opinions...
Jan 10th 2018
251
Kylo was right.
Dec 21st 2017
151
yep, this was the breath of fresh air the series needed
Jan 10th 2018
253
The green milk reference was a little out of place
Dec 21st 2017
155
why are racists so upset?
Dec 21st 2017
156
maybe it's because Finn murked his master.....
Dec 21st 2017
158
They fucked up Rose Tico's Wiki page
Dec 21st 2017
159
people are assholes.
Dec 21st 2017
163
RE: why are racists so upset?
Dec 24th 2017
197
      *head explosion emoji
Dec 26th 2017
229
      *head explosion emoji
Dec 26th 2017
230
Star Wars canon and Islam
Dec 21st 2017
160
no hero's journey for Rey
Dec 21st 2017
161
HEEEEEERROOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSS JOOOORRNNNEEEEEE
Dec 21st 2017
164
It’s pretty difficult to gauge a hero’s journey two films into a tri...
Dec 21st 2017
165
You need to go on a grammar and punctuation journey
Dec 21st 2017
166
That's Mr. Fart Face to you buster
Dec 22nd 2017
171
Nope. Rey hasn't struggled/lost/come up short
Dec 21st 2017
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      Yeah being abandoned and a slave is the high life
Dec 22nd 2017
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      People are doing the most trying to tear down this trilogy
Dec 22nd 2017
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      Lol you know it's doesn't compare to Luke's journey or Neo's
Dec 23rd 2017
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      I'm saying
Dec 22nd 2017
172
      Rey never had a family to lose.
Dec 22nd 2017
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           Why are you so mad
Dec 23rd 2017
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           DJ Akademiks is wild right now
Dec 23rd 2017
183
           The loss of family is an example not to be taken literally
Dec 23rd 2017
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                Rey's arc (thus far) is learning to become her own person
Dec 23rd 2017
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                That's the theme Johnson wants to get across
Dec 23rd 2017
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                It hasn't been hinted
Dec 23rd 2017
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                Finn's introduced in TFA by being sensitive to the Force
Dec 23rd 2017
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                     Finn being force sensitive is not canon its a theory
Dec 23rd 2017
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                          mind the spelling mistakes i was at dinner eating a steak
Dec 23rd 2017
193
                Rey's struggle is there
Dec 23rd 2017
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                     what/where is it?
Dec 23rd 2017
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                          RE: what/where is it?
Dec 23rd 2017
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                          At this point we've pointed it out many times
Dec 23rd 2017
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                There is no setup for Leia’s drastic force mastery
Dec 24th 2017
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                     What the fuck does this even mean?
Dec 24th 2017
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                     RE: What the fuck does this even mean?
Dec 24th 2017
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                     Leia's feat isn't much
Dec 24th 2017
200
                     Means that even if you’re on board with Leia being an adept force user
Dec 24th 2017
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                          Windu got his arms cut off. Leia didn't.
Dec 24th 2017
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                          correction: arm cut off
Dec 24th 2017
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                               Y'all are weird
Dec 24th 2017
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                               nah... you just aint thinking
Dec 24th 2017
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                                    Holy fucking shit
Dec 24th 2017
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                                         whiny ass dudes in her bloodline all get to do whatever with the force
Dec 24th 2017
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                                              ^^^^^^^^
Dec 24th 2017
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                                              yea, it didn't look good to me and that's my beef
Dec 25th 2017
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                                              man you and bwood are not reading
Dec 28th 2017
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                                                   I don't get why that was such a great force power...
Dec 28th 2017
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                                                        ^^^^^^
Dec 28th 2017
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                                                        Here's the clip of Kanan in the vacuum of space...
Dec 28th 2017
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                                                        do you see him train and become proficient in force techniques prior?
Jan 10th 2018
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                                                             He had training, but was incomplete. He was a padawan when
Jan 10th 2018
256
                                                                  Even some exposition would have been enough in Leía’s case
Jan 10th 2018
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                               Mace also had gravity working against him...
Dec 25th 2017
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                          Ummm yes there is. Yoda revealed he thought she was the chosen one
Dec 24th 2017
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                               The audience has never been told about or shown her training
Dec 24th 2017
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                                    the audience never heard about snoke's training or rey's parents
Dec 24th 2017
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                                         Snokes not the main character we don’t need to see him develop
Dec 25th 2017
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                     RE: There is no setup for Leia’s drastic force mastery
Dec 24th 2017
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                     Fair enough. I would have just liked for the film to explain that
Dec 24th 2017
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                          RE: Fair enough. I would have just liked for the film to explain that
Dec 24th 2017
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                     not only that, but bringing her back undercuts the dramatic weight of he...
Dec 24th 2017
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                          Lol you know all this was written and filmed before she died
Dec 24th 2017
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                               frankly the most amazing thing about the whole thing
Dec 24th 2017
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                               there isn't a plan
Dec 24th 2017
221
                               I'm not talking about the actress. I mean the character
Dec 24th 2017
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                                    i think the fact that they kept it
Dec 24th 2017
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                                         I believe it was all kept for that last line
Dec 24th 2017
220
                                              you're probably right....but.....
Dec 25th 2017
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                                                   No they didn't they are fine
Dec 25th 2017
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                lolllllllll
Dec 27th 2017
233
                     Shit's wild
Dec 28th 2017
235
                          Lazy reply and reach. All of my star wars RPG characters are female
Jan 10th 2018
246
                               LOL
Jan 11th 2018
267
franchise reboot/refresh at Act 2 out of 3 (8 out of 9)?
Dec 26th 2017
228
loved it. n/m
Dec 27th 2017
231
I was disappointed. Shit was waaaay too long.
Dec 28th 2017
240
folks were giggling in the theater at the suddenly shirtless scene
Jan 10th 2018
249
Trash, throw the whole franchise away.
Jan 09th 2018
241
lol damn
Jan 10th 2018
242
it really REALLY does put the main concept in the trash compactor
Jan 10th 2018
243
      Not really
Jan 10th 2018
244
      I haven't seen it, but I'm curious what you mean by this.
Jan 10th 2018
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      I don't think it's trash but it's trying too hard
Jan 10th 2018
255
      Yeah. In trying to "stand on its own" ,
Jan 11th 2018
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           pretty much
Jan 11th 2018
270
           couldn't tell if Del Toros character was talking about the franchise
Jan 11th 2018
275
           Damn
Feb 11th 2018
295
      Honestly it just felt like they tried to do too much, trying introduce.....
Jan 10th 2018
260
           people going down with the ship when there are droids and autopilot
Jan 11th 2018
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           This sums up everything I felt about this film. Everything.
Jan 11th 2018
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                Right. If you want to tell a new story
Jan 11th 2018
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IMO if u like Star Wars lore it's not very good if u like the universe
Jan 10th 2018
247
fair assessment
Jan 10th 2018
248
yep
Jan 10th 2018
254
      People stay talking about these clone war episodes lol
Jan 11th 2018
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           yeah I never really got into the cartoons
Jan 11th 2018
263
           it was good man
Jan 11th 2018
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           they're good man. I'm early in them, and yeah
Jan 11th 2018
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Struggled to stay awake through the whole thing
Jan 10th 2018
259
i went to one with the recliners
Jan 11th 2018
266
I took my nieces and nephews
Jan 11th 2018
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For all you smart dumb niggas who have problems...
Jan 19th 2018
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RE: For all you smart dumb niggas who have problems...
Jan 19th 2018
277
Haha... he really likes dudes work.
Jan 19th 2018
278
Dog, he’s upping every thread
Jan 19th 2018
286
      And yet you in every thread
Jan 19th 2018
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RE: For all you smart dumb niggas who have problems...
Jan 19th 2018
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if the director gotta explain the flick for like a month after release
Jan 19th 2018
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      he didn't explain anything. you mad and wrong.
Jan 19th 2018
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      wrong spot
Jan 19th 2018
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      yep
Jan 19th 2018
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      bingo
Jan 19th 2018
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      these conversations >>> the movie.
Jan 19th 2018
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      LOL. y'all are so mad that you were wrong about how the force works
Jan 19th 2018
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           It's not even worth the argument at this point.
Jan 19th 2018
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           It's ok if people don't like it.
Jan 19th 2018
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           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Jan 19th 2018
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           Think you replied in the wrong spot. As an avid movie fan
Jan 19th 2018
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                it's to the above replies in total.
Jan 19th 2018
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      basically lol...
Jan 19th 2018
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1. "Cool name. I trust Rian Johnson to bring it hope"
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and hopefully avoid a retread of Empire Strikes Back

  

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2. "Yea that first comment made me laugh"
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Someone said "I hope it's about destroying a Death Star"

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3. "RE: Yea that first comment made me laugh"
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>Someone said "I hope it's about destroying a Death Star"


LMAO that shit is great

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10. "LMAO."
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One Hundred.

  

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bwood
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4. "Dawg Rian Johnson is about to crush the buildings"
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Nigga is gonna do some next level shit I assure it.

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5. "This makes me ridiculously happy, I legit have a foolish grin right now "
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Mon Jan-23-17 12:00 PM by kevlar skully

  

          


I love the title. Luke is going to kick so much ass

  

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6. "MAN im glad they changed directors"
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I could not have watched another 2.5 hours of that TFA

  

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9. "what star wars movie could you watch 2.5 more hours of?"
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ESB would suck if it were two and a half more hours, in fact, people are specifically asking for NOT more of that, and it's the best flick in the series.

y'all kill me

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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select_from_where
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13. "dog do you get the conjecture?"
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Another movie directed by JJ abrams would follow the same approach, just like star trek into darkness.

come on fam.

  

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14. "this is the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life"
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TFA isn't like Into Darkness in pretty much any way

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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16. "have a good evening"
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17. "a lot of folks don't want to admit TFA was hot garbage"
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I guess several cool moments strung together with no logic, clear narrative, or point... is enough for some people as long as familiar music is playing?

**shrugs**

  

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18. "a lot of people want to pretend that it was"
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and are lying about why.

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20. "Basically that shit was amazing"
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22. "the legacy of the franchise carried that film. "
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I am not above giving it its due but lets not act like that shit was some groundbreaking addition to the epic.

  

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26. "There's a TON of middle ground between hot garbage and "
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groundbreaking addition to the franchise. I think that TFA was VERY successful at what it set out to do. That film had to reestablish the franchise after the prequels left a bad impression with most people. It had to continue the story of the main original trilogy characters with a 30 year time lapse, which was no easy task. It had to introduce us to new characters without having the audience saying "I just want to see Luke, Han, and Leia." It also needed to set the stage from a story perspective for the new trilogy.

Doing ALL of this at once was incredibly difficult. Some compromises needed to be made to not have it just be completely bloated. Having the entire film be about finding Luke without having him in it until the end was a pretty smart way of accomplishing this - it saves them from having to figure out how to balance Luke's screen time with everything else, while not taking anything at all away from his importance. He was the mcguffin of this film, and it looks like the second film as a major focus. In terms of resetting the franchise, they made the compromise of giving us very specific familiar star wars tropes. Desert planet, a super weapon that destroys planets, x-wings, tie fighters, stormtroopers, etc. This compromise sacrificed some of the creativity and world building, but also allowed them to keep the story simple while balancing a ton of priorities vs the prequels which really tried to do way too much at once. Most importantly, TFA needed to get us to like the new characters and want to follow their stories. I think it was extremely successful; with this.

If Episode 8 and 9 really build on what was done in TFA and expand the world building and creativity, I think it will be easier to excuse some of the negatives of TFA because you can then appreciate what it did to set up the new trilogy.

  

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28. "I completely don't understand what SW movie we could use"
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2.5 more hours of, or how TFA is like Star Trek Into Darkness, which I didn't like at all.

I'm not even here to defend abrams as a director or some shit, these are just bizarre statements

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31. "He wasn't saying that TFA was like STID. He was saying that"
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Star Trek Into Darkness was a sequel to Star Trek, and JJ made STID doing some of the same things he didn't like in ST.

He also didn't like The Force Awakens, and he feels that JJ would have done the same thing in Episode 8 that he did in TFA. The same way that he feels JJ made STID as a sequel to ST by continuing the same pattern. He doesn't want to see a TFA rehash which is what he meant by saying he doesn't want to see another 2.5 hours of TFA.

I don't agree - I think JJ set up TFA perfectly for Episode 8 and 9 and even if he was directing 8 it would be expanding the story in a different direction. But I can see exactly when he meant.

  

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35. "There's no reason to expect a sequel to TFA"
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would be a rehash of TFA.

That's not true for any of the Star Wars movies. There's nothing stylistically in TFA that says "yup, gotta use the Star Trek stuff here"

Star Trek is a whole different thing when it comes to ripping off its own canon, and isn't built around a trilogy

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19. "shouts to you being unable to answer the question"
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since your point made no sense whatsoever.

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24. "I think yall having 2 different convos"
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dude is saying JJ Abrams directed 2 Star Trek movies and didn't like how the second one turned out...

and he didn't want JJ to direct another Star Wars out of fears it would have the same let down.

I don't think he is saying the movies would be similar.

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25. "thank you"
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29. "which is a weird thing to say, but a position you can have"
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"I could not have watched another 2.5 hours of that TFA"

^^that statement doesn't fit though, and just doesn't make sense.

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32. "Makes perfect sense to me"
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It was a nice reboot but it was kinda cheesy.

I definitely prefer the look and feel of Rogue

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36. "ok, name the Star Wars movie that you couldn't say that about"
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like I asked.

you can't, because it doesn't make sense.

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21. "i see hating TFA is the cool thing to do nowadays"
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to me, it was an excellent star wars film. Family entertainment at its best

  

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23. "It is a cool film, but like I said JJ abrams shit gets old fast"
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After I Saw rouge one, the possibility of having THAT kind of storytelling in the next installment is way better than the alternative.

  

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27. "No OKP mentality gets old fast lol "
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30. "well, that's 100% true. I probably hate JJ more than you do"
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but I felt like TFA is a less-abrams'd movie than most

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33. "Rian Johnson is gonna crush it b."
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7. "That title is perfect. Simple, but still brings up questions..."
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Who is the last Jedi? Obviously it could be Luke. Or is that title foreshadowing Luke dying and Rey becoming the last Jedi?

I think that Luke is the last Jedi, and that Rey will be something different. All the new Star Wars media has been hinting at the force being more complicated than Good = Jedi, light side and Bad = Sith, dark side. I think that Luke will have realized the failure of both the prequel Jedi and his new Jedi order that was wiped out, and will train Rey as something new.

CAN'T WAIT!!!

  

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8. "Luke is the last Jedi, it's his job to bring the Jedi order back "
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Yoda told him to teach what he's learned, which he was doing before Kylo ruined it. Luckily, Rey is strong with the force and found Skywalker, which Snoke warned will cause the new Jedi to rise.

So Luke currently is the last Jedi, if Kylo did call all Luke's other students but will certainly train Rey though it's going to take awhile before she earns the title, just like Luke didn't become a Jedi until halfway through ROTJ when Vader examined his lightsaber and said "your skills are now complete"

I do like how they're exploring the force/force sensitives, like Chirrut in Rogue One but there was no Jedi then for him to receive any kind of training. Rey has one of the most powerful Jedi of all time training her though, she'll be a Jedi eventually I'm sure

  

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11. "this new canon...and (The Clone Wars)"
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has already introduced other force user cliques, clans, crews and posses other than Jedi and Siths...

So it comes to no surprise since Return of The Jedi was the extinction of the Sith

  

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12. ""Jedi" can also be plural..."
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________________________________
There are dozens of us! Dozens!

  

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15. "good point"
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34. "I noticed the words "Star Wars" are in red this time"
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Normally in the opening crawl its always been a goldish color, I'm guessing because of the light side of the force. Really stands out to me that this time its in red.

Makes me think they may go a lot darker in this one, or some serious shit is about to go down.

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37. "John Boyega put the poster on Instagram"
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One of the hashtags he used was "time to go to war".

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38. "I'm not a huge SW fan, but I'm pumped like shit for this"
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Rian bout to do work.

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39. "Y in December?"
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40. "Because money."
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41. "Cause they OWN that month now."
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Rogue is in the 1billion numbers now. It's the highest grossing movie of 2016 and it was never projected to do so. It was an experiment to see how a "side/stand alone" movie was going to do (Although i hate that title). I don't expect Ep8 to do Ep7 numbers but after seeing Rogue One doing way better than projected...

http://www.the-numbers.com/movie/records/All-Time-Domestic-Box-Office

  

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42. "Saw the trailer today in full IMAX before my screening of GotG Vol. 2"
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It's dope.

Rian Johnson is about moonwalk over everybody.

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44. "I hate you lol"
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It's just "dope"?

  

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43. "I can't get behind these new ones but I'm glad folks are liking it overa..."
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45. "LOL. What's wrong with the new one's?"
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While they haven't reached the height of the OG trilogy yet (and I do think its a matter of time considering the creatives they've been hiring for these movies) Rogue One and Awakens are better then the last Trilogy and are solid flicks taken as themselves.

  

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46. "Nothing's wrong with 'em. Nothing at all. I liked 'em."
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Since we're not nine years old anymore, people seem to act like they don't enjoy SW movies.


I saw somebody say that Rogue One was boring. It's universally recognized as one of the best in the entire series, but this guy was 'bored'. FOH.


Even for all of it's faults, even the prequel trilogy had some good moments.


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Back again for the first time.

  

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52. "These are actually the best ones... you trippin"
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I think nostalgia makes the first 3 the GOATS but visually and story telling, these last 3 will be the best of the bunch.

I still haven't seen Rogue One in HD. I can't wait.

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57. "I'm sure. I totally agree with the post about Abrams and his approach"
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And why the movie had to be certain way to get people to care about the story and characters -- it's just too late for me lol. They killed my interest with those prequels

  

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47. "Trailer"
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https://youtu.be/zB4I68XVPzQ

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48. "WOW"
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49. "So geeeeked for it!!!"
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50. "That last line by Luke "the Jedi must end"...."
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Whew



Man, this shit.... I can't wait for Christmas. I have a lack of self control, I'm going to be knee deep in spoilers as soon as they hit the net

  

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51. "I like it"
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53. "Doesn't do much for me, but I'm sure the film will be great"
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>https://youtu.be/zB4I68XVPzQ

  

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54. "great gosh amighty"
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>https://youtu.be/zB4I68XVPzQ

  

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55. "Lol"
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56. "yep looks like star wars."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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58. "Trailer niggas!!!"
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https://youtu.be/Q0CbN8sfihY

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59. "So sick"
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IG @h_n_z

  

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60. "daaaaaaaaaaaaamn"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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61. "Who is cutting onions in here?"
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>https://youtu.be/Q0CbN8sfihY

  

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62. "So Kylo Ren kills his father"
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AND his mother?

No Spoiler-o. It's what I gather from that trailer.

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63. "I still have a feeling..."
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after killing mom dukes and going full heel, it will be some how revealed in the last movie that he did all this as part of a plan to actually destroy Snoke & the sith.

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64. "RE: So Kylo Ren kills his father"
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And that closing shot of Rey turning to the dark side, right? Right?

She asks Kylo "to show me my place in all this", and he holds out his hand.

I don't think that's not going to happen. The same shit when they had Finn ignite the lightsaber and then then next shot was Kylo Ren with his in the episode 7 trailer...had us thinking that Finn was on some black jedi shit.

  

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65. "Yup. Force Awakens was one big decoy"
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>And that closing shot of Rey turning to the dark side, right?
>Right?
>
>She asks Kylo "to show me my place in all this", and he holds
>out his hand.
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>I don't think that's not going to happen. The same shit when
>they had Finn ignite the lightsaber and then then next shot
>was Kylo Ren with his in the episode 7 trailer...had us
>thinking that Finn was on some black jedi shit.

Looking at this trailer it basically was a self contained story:

Luke trains her but starts becoming scared because she's got Dragon Ball Z Super Saiyen power level shit
Ren starts to do the pull in hard work for Snoke but has his own self doubts..probably from helping to kill his pops last episode
Looks like Snoke puts in him a position where he's forced to vaporize his moms
When him and Rey meet up they decide to 'team up' either for good/evil or mutual self discovery.

While that's a cool story on its own, no way they were that on the money with the trailer editing.

  

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69. "i don’t think it’s that blatant. "
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I think some of these edits are being used for spin.

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71. "you could be right..."
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although those sequences seemed to piece together a LOT of plot specific stuff that will lead you to absolute conclusions...

for instance, the whole Kylo and Leia back and forth..If he pulls that trigger, Disney basically closes the lid on how they handle Carrie Fisher's Leia - which would be kinda corny. If he DOESN'T pull the trigger, it gives us more of a notion that he leads himself back to the light side, which I don't need to know right now from a trailer lol...

This is why I think that this sequence, in particular, was mad edited because I don't think Rian is that much of an open book.

  

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67. "people in the background look too nonchalant...i don't think that happen..."
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at least not in those scenes.

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72. "chrue"
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UNLESS, Kylo's ship which is called a TIE Sliencer, takes true to its name and be some kinda of super stealth ship that radars cant pick up and only Leia's force ability can.

  

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70. "Leia lives through this movie"
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they've already said that her character won't be seen after this and that her death happened after all her parts were filmed for this. So no Peter Cushing CGI or rewrites to have her die onscreen.

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75. "They didn't confirm that Leia dies after this movie. Just that they "
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won't recast her and that they won't do a CGI Carrie Fisher. They confirmed that Carrie Fisher died after she had already finished all her shots for this film, not that the Character of Leia survives through the film.

So they could absolutely have her die in this film even if it wasn't the original plan, with a ship exploding or some other off-screen death. It will be challenging to have that not feel cheap, but it would be VERY cheap to have Leia die off-screen in between this and Episode 9.

  

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77. "they indeed confirned that she lives through this movie"
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Ep 7-Han
Ep 8-Luke
Ep 9-Leia

As far as classic character focal points go, this is the way it was intended to go. No CGI stuff and no rewrites after the fact.

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103. "see I told your ass"
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66. "Not fucking with Star Wars anymore. Been getting progressively cornier"
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Gonna have aliens z-snapping, talking in slang and texting on cell phones next.

FOH.

Gimme the old Star Wars where I watched Luke come home to the burnt-up, still-smoldering bodies of his family. Shit was real.

  

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68. "Did you see Rogue? That shit was dark as hell fam. "
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73. "Rebels definitely didn't get corny...."
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but its easy for 'fans' to say it sucks compared to clone wars

  

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74. "how can anyone say SW is "getting" corny after RotJ"
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76. "lol, fair enough. I forgot about the Ewoks"
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79. "lol"
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78. "Rian Johnson just dropped the mic."
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Just walking out of the NY screening.

My nigga Rian does not play around.

Full spoiler free review tomorrow. Seriously stay spoiler free

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80. "My full spoiler-free review"
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Forget everything you know. The eighth episode of the Skywalker saga in the Star Wars film series subverts everything you think you know. Just as with the first stand-alone film Rogue One, The Last Jedi puts the war in Star Wars. This is a much different film from what has come before.

With the Resistance on its last legs, Rey (Daisy Ridley) seeks out Luke Skywalker (Mark Hamill) to ignite the spark of hope. However, what she finds is not what tales have told of the legendary Skywalker. Meanwhile, with the might of the First Order on their heels, General Leia Organa (Carrie Fisher), Poe Dameron (Oscar Issac), and Vice Admiral Amilyn Holdo (Laura Dern) buy precious time as Finn (John Boyega) and lowly mechanic Rose (Kelly Marie Tran) embark on a dangerous mission.

For the love of God, please tread carefully. There are twists and turns in this film that you will never see coming that take this to some new highs in the Star Wars series. There are callbacks to the previous films that are not fan service but are things that are either used to move the story forward or build on the characters. Or sometimes both.

As we discover new worlds and creatures, the characters, in turn, discover things about themselves. Our characters are faced with choices that will have them question just what they are fighting for. As with Rogue One, the characters see just how impactful the war is. What they think is black and white, good and evil, is in fact shades of grey. With even the smallest creatures fighting for freedom, the complications of the war drive two characters in making big choices.

The parallel stories between Rey and Finn from The Force Awakens continues here as both are working towards the same goal of crushing the First Order. Rey has to wrestle with the Dark Side through ways we’ve never seen the Force used before in a Star Wars film. Finn must make a choice and before he can make that choice, he finds himself thrust into a dangerous story that finds the character fully formed during a pivotal moment in Canto Bight. Side note, two big franchise films, this and Logan, in 2017 have had pivotal moments and turning points for characters in casinos in different ways.

This is Leia’s film. The late Carrie Fisher delivers a performance of a lifetime for a character who is making the most of what she has. Leia was introduced as the “pretty princess”, an almost pin-up doll to be sexualized. The Last Jedi makes sure we get to see her strategic side which is methodical. Some characters won’t see the bigger picture of her choices, but it’s clear every move Leia make is for the Resistance’s advantage in the long-run. While everyone else is playing checkers, Leia is playing chess. Not only is a leader, but she is a serious badass as well.
Writer/director Rian Johnson has made sure every character in this film gets a big moment. More importantly, he takes this in unexpected directions making Star Wars feel fresh and new again. Rian does some camera moves as well as editing cuts, that I rarely see anymore in big blockbusters like this. Seriously, Johnson and his DP Steve Yedlin have some of the most gorgeous shots in the series thus far. So much so in fact that I wish Disney would have given this a wide release in 35mm (or as wide as possibly feasible). Whether this is a conscious part on Johnson or not, the representation of women and minorities continues in this. Kelly Marie Tran is gonna be a star. While I didn’t think much of the character of Rose, I want to see Kelly in other films. She just has it.

One of the biggest things that Johnson does is humanize Luke in ways we haven’t seen before. Yeah, just as with Leia, Mark Hamill gives his best performance of a character I had thought went through a complete arc in the original trilogy. Over the course of the film, you discover a big secret Luke is carrying with him that has haunted him all these years. It’s such a powerful secret that reveals such a human flaw in a mythic character that I don’t understand why we can do this for Luke Skywalker, but no one has figured out how to do this for Superman.

Another thing I must applaud Johnson for is that while yes, this is a very dark chapter in this series, there’s never a loss of joy and wonder. From the creatures to the new planets, there’s stuff in this to balance out the heavier moments including a lot of humor that never feels forced or out of place. In fact, that humor grounds the film, even more, adding another human element to something so grand.

Do I think this is a perfect film? No. I do think it lags at parts and you can feel its runtime. However, with that said I don’t know how you’d fix those pacing problems when every scene in this film is needed. Plus, a second viewing may address the pacing and make me feel stronger towards the film like subsequent viewings of Logan did. And to that end, there will be two characters who we never really get to know. One a missed opportunity which will likely rub some fans the wrong way and the other who I needed a backstory on desperately. There’s also a reveal on a major character that’s so besides the fact that it felt cheap after all the buildup.

Ever since it has been announced that Rian Johnson was doing The Last Jedi, I’ve been waiting for this. Rian is now four for four with Brick, The Brothers Bloom, Looper, and The Last Jedi. Once this film starts, it keeps moving and doesn’t let up. As far as ranking in the Star Wars canon, I hesitate to do that for many reasons. As of now, I’ll say I’m excited about Rian’s stand-alone trilogy where he can play with things on his own terms. It’s embarrassing that Solo: A Star Wars Story will be following this. For once, the future of Star Wars is looking like it has a great creative endeavor rather than financial endeavor. Whoever hates Porgs is a monster.

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81. "*DAP*"
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Excited!

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82. "Word! As a big Rian Johnson fan, I've been hyped for this since his name"
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was announced.
Dude is an immense talent

  

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83. "is Finn prominent in this one?"
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84. "Yes. Very much so."
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85. "Anyone going tonight?"
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And if yes, what format you doing?

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87. "I saw it in a regular no frills theater"
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Didn't do it justice (only went there because everywhere else was sold out)

Going again Tuesday - that 3rd act was dope as hell


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86. "I'm seeing it on Monday in 4DX"
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88. "More enjoyable than TFA but, honestly, played the same cards"
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Same boat as Force Awakens. Played a lot of the same notes Empire Strikes Back did (with a pretty healthy dose of Return of the Jedi, which was at least ironic) while throwing in some notes of nostalgia and some fan fiction. Wish I could love these films, but they’re purely academic for me at this point.


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91. "Outside some similarities, I don't see..."
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... how this was like Empire. And I don't see any shades of JEDI at all.

Please expound

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92. "Maaaaan"
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They had Rey slip fall into a hallucination while training on a lost planet with her elder. They had her trapped in a room with her fake brother and the emperor debating whether good people can become evil or evil people can become good and he even made her watch her friends’ starships blow up through a window. They moved the Hoth battle from the beginning to the end. They introduced a rogueish character who sold the heroes out for money, but because there was so much else going on in the movie he was reduced to a vocal tic and very little else rather than another Lando. There were so many cuts to cute creatures reacting to things. The big bad guy in the dark suit had a grim message about the parentage of the little good girl in the white cloths.

This is not a throwback to either film, but like BWHAT pointed out below, there was a lot of Marvel-style dialogue in this movie that didn't feel earned.

It was a fun ride and nothing they traced over was as obvious as Starkiller Base but they are making huge, bloated movies and leaning on nostalgia way too much to let these things really breath. Hopefully that’s part of why they’re giving Johnson his own trilogy, to let him play outside the Skywalker/Solo comfort zone. I'm not saying I didn't enjoy the movie - I liked it a lot more than TFA - but there are too many characters, these movies are too long, and there is too much they want to pay homage to for these movies to just sit and be movies.

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93. "totally agree *mild SPOILERS*"
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the callbacks to the OG trilogy/nostalgia pretty much killed the flick for me.
There were tons of traces of really interesting things (the military/industrial complex in the Star Wars universe?!?!), that ultimately just got put down for story beats from the OGs.
Return of the Empire's Jedi should be the subtitle of this flick

  

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96. "I was talking about this with a friend yesterday"
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And hit on a little more of what I was getting at near the end there. These movies - even Rouge One, to an extent - make the Star Wars noises and show you the Star Wars world, but they don't really live in it, and as a result they feel more like guided tours than the passionate, lived in stuff of the Lucas era, original or prequel. They might be more enjoyable experiences by many orders of magnitude than Phantom Menace or Attack of the Clones, but they feel like a tribute to Star Wars rather than another part of the story in ways those movies never did.


I think I'm realizing that part of the charm of Star Wars was Lucas' specific style of dialogue, and his decidedly directionless approach to directing actors. He outlined a fascinating sci-fi world and then forced his actors to figure out what their role in all of it was, and that led to a lot of impressively - and/or bafflingly - earnest work that these movies are just too afraid to allow.


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97. "I disagree with everything you said."
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99. "So do i"
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100. "Yeah. It felt like product, with moments of creativity here and there"
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and yeah, Lucas' stuff felt more organically collaborative, whereas this just felt like...$$$$$
Rogue at least felt risky. Some loss was gonna take place. They were clearly doing something at least a little different...this is such an incredibly safe flick.


  

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94. "Wish I could have read your review before I went to see the movie"
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Return of the Jedi and Empire part 2

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89. "Too jokey but other than that it was lit"
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I got a bit annoyed at how they'd drop some silly dialogue into the serious moments

Really liked the Rey Kylo relationship

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90. "Middle Third of the flick is great and hella interesting"
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I dug the original approaches that Johnson took with some things, but it turned into a PROPERTY the last third

  

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95. "Bought a ticket for Tuesday"
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that was the soonest I could find an open seat. I'm not really into SW enough to nitpick much but I've really enjoyed all of the Disney generation movies. Far FAR more than Marvel crap.

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98. "I saw it. Straight Flames. "
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I went in with a low expectation based on the last flick (not Rogue One).
I was pleasantly surprise. Solid. I won't give any spoilers but it was worth the money and the wait.

Go see it.

  

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101. "Phasma! Phasma! Phasma!"
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102. "RE: Star Wars: Episode VIII - The Last Jedi "
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I fucked with it tough...

better to me than TFA

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104. "Loved it"
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I think everybody expecting this to be Empire Strikes Back x 3 with the new trilogy but its not. So much new stuff happened.

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105. "how do you DROP bombs in outer space?"
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its a nitpick, yes, i know.

horrible movie, i walked out after Snoke was killed

  

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106. "How do you have space ships with no autopilot or cruise control?"
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Why does anyone have to stay on the ship to pilot it while everyone else evacuates?

It did make for a really cool scene.

  

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108. "By using the force"
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>its a nitpick, yes, i know.
>
>horrible movie, i walked out after Snoke was killed
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lol you said to hell with the end.

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127. "Lol I've seen this complaint on other comments"
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its not that serious, its Star Wars where nothing is scientifically accurate, where every planet has breathable air, almost every human speaks English in the entire galaxy, etc. Just enjoy the space opera, its a fantasy..

  

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107. "Can't wait for my nigga Rian to y'all mad with his new trilogy..."
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...of Star Wars films with GREAT storytelling.

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110. "You calling him nigga confused me."
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I was like "Oh shit! I didn't hear the director is Black!"
*Googles*
*Sees Rian*
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112. "It's the Trenton in me. I call everyone nigga."
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Everybody in my hood refer to most white people as "that funny looking white nigga"

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109. "I'm a bit surprised to see nothing but positive reviews in here (so far)"
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My social media timelines go in both directions but definitely lean negative. And this place is WAY more critical that those ones.
Even a dude who likes damn near everything (he loved Suicide Squad, for example), is talking about how trash The Last Jedi is... I took that as pretty damning, since like I said... dude likes everything.

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111. "First SW movie I've seen. They overused humor way too many times (spoile..."
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Yeah this was the first SW movie I've actually seen. It was a work field trip so I said fuck it and hoped that it would be enjoyable in isolation.

Biggest gripes:
- Useless subplot of Finn / Rose
- Why didn't they kill Leia ? Carrie Fisher's dead. Seems like that outer space scene would've been PERFECT
- All the jokes that killed otherwise great dramatic moments. The Luke brushing off the shoulder, the phone call from Poe to Hux, the comment Leia makes about her hair when she sees Luke. Just felt like someone had a timer going on where they couldn't let any scene be serious for more than a minute


All in all I think I don't care about seeing any past or future ones

  

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114. "Not killing Leia makes sense"
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They wouldve had to reshoot certain things that they simply could not. How do you have Leia sacrifice herself (ONE when she's dead) or with Holdo (TWO they wouldnt do that together) without having her pass the torch in that last scene to Poe where she literally says to follow him. And if Holdo survivies she would outrank and be next in line to lead before Poe would. Altho it wouldve been a better send off it wouldve been so hard to execute when she is dead, that wouldve had to been something they thought of before her passing but they already had it planned that Ep9 was Carrie's movie, so now with the way it ends no matter what either the new cast fully takes over the storyline or Luke has more of a presence as a mentor in this as a ghost.


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115. "RE: First SW movie I've seen. They overused humor way too many times (sp..."
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>- All the jokes that killed otherwise great dramatic moments.
>The Luke brushing off the shoulder, the phone call from Poe to
>Hux, the comment Leia makes about her hair when she sees Luke.

Damn, I must have a weird sense of humor because all those moments worked for me

  

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122. "the phone call was literally the beginning of the movie"
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what dramatic moment could it have killed?

cats just want to pretend they're film critics.

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128. "Yeah. The phone call joke was basically the same thing as Poe's"
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"So who talks first?" line from TFA, at the same point in the film. Fits his personality, fits the scene.

  

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130. "like, folks don't have to like it, it's a choice"
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and the humor could be too much or misplaced

but it doesn't "kill the drama"

and as you said, the first movie established that this is who poe dameron is

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117. "you've never ever seen a star wars movie"
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so you decided to jump in eight movies in on opening weekend and tell us which plotlines make sense to you.

ok guy

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120. "Reading so many bad takes..."
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...makes me happy most cats here aren't screenwriters.

Simple storytelling and plot elements that are spelled out for you are lost on people and/or are hated for superfluous reasons.

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123. "I feel like people are afraid to say they just didn't like it"
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so they try to use technical terms to hide behind.

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124. "RE: you've never ever seen a star wars movie"
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>so you decided to jump in eight movies in on opening weekend
>and tell us which plotlines make sense to you.
>
>ok guy

That's fair, I can't really expect everything to make complete sense. I was just giving my take as a newcomer, not trying to be a film critic. Heinz gave me a great response to my Leia question.

  

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113. "Saw it three times"
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Loved it, obviously.

Regular, IMax, and XD—XD with the recliners was the best.

***SPOILERS*** and random thoughts...


It reminded me of why Luke was/is my favorite Jedi.

Really happy they didn’t make Rey’s parents known characters, like Luke or Obi-Wan her dad or some stupid obvious shit, etc. That would’ve been corny as fuck to me. Much more compelling that she (and those kids in that casino) came from nothing. The Force was like “ugh, I’m done with these damn Skywalkers.”

I think we’ll get some Snoke backstory in IX. But I don’t need it, necessarily. THE Jedi story is between Kylo and Rey.

I wanna take one of those ice crystal foxes home as a pet.

Did y’all see the Jedi texts on the Falcon at the end??? Or was I seeing things???

Still get chills when I think about Laura Dern hyperspacing through the damn fleet.

Were those red knights on Snoke’s lair the Jedi students that Ben took with him after setting Luke’s temple on fire? And Rey just chopped them up like that??? Strong with the Force, she is.

Who’s Fin gonna pick—Rey or Rose?

Glad Chewie didn’t eat that Porg.


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116. "RE: Saw it three times"
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The jedi text at the end is super wild..

Howd they get there? Did she take em before luke/yoda burned shit down? Did yoda already know that?

Snoke backstory might end up in han solo film.. who knows

I am still on fence about rey parents... Ren could've been lying about who they were to try and manipulate her..

How do they deal with Leia in IX?

Will there be knights of ren in IX?

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125. "Yeah I don't believe the parents thing "
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Kylo is clearly taking the position of supreme leader and started to try manipulating her on the spot the second the fight was over. Not to say I think she's a Skywalker but I don't buy her parents being junkies lol
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140. "Kylo doesn’t even have to be lying to be wrong...."
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he didn’t tell her anything she didn’t know. He read her mind through ththe Force bond and told her that she already knew who her parents were. So I don’t think he was trying to manipulate her.

The other clue that what he said was the truth is that it aligns perfectly with what Maz told her in TFA - that she already knew that her parents weren’t coming back and that her destiny lies in the future and not the past.

  

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143. "Yeah thats true "
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133. "RE: Saw it three times"
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>The jedi text at the end is super wild..
>
>Howd they get there? Did she take em before luke/yoda burned
>shit down? Did yoda already know that?

I wonder if Rey took em, and Yoda knew they were gone and then burned the tree.

>
>Snoke backstory might end up in han solo film.. who knows
>
>I am still on fence about rey parents... Ren could've been
>lying about who they were to try and manipulate her..
>

Maybe. But it sounded like she knew all along, and Kylo just made her finally admit it. Rian Johnson said that he approached it by asking “what’s the toughest thing each character can face?” I think admitting that no one was coming for her was that.

>How do they deal with Leia in IX?

Man I don’t know. She was supposed to be CENTRAL to IX!!!
>
>Will there be knights of ren in IX?

That would be cool.



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138. "Yoda told Luke Rey "had what she needed" "
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he knew she took took them, but he also likes fucking with Luke.

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121. "Finn is obviously going to pick Poe."
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134. "Of course!"
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It was written in the stars over Jakku!


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118. "That shit was TRASSSHHHHH!"
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Either this or Phantom is the worst in the series and thats saying alot

man...i might not even fuck with 9

i'm really surprised at any positive reviews

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119. "To be fair Harold Lloyd - almost all movies now have sound"
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162. "was that supposed to be funny?"
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witty? lol. try harder (seemingly cant even read)

princess leia... froze in outer space, died, came back to life and flew back to the ship. nobody even mentioned it in the movie

broad was never even trained. how did mace windu die from falling out the window? homey shoulda just flown back up

finn and poes whole storyline was foolishness

i'm a stars wars fan. this shit was a disgrace

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126. "RE: That shit was TRASSSHHHHH!"
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Yeah.
It's pretty bad.

  

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129. "wonderful reset of the franchise"
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131. "k I saw it"
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I enjoyed it. Hard to say where it falls in order of rank but it was good. Rey is awesome. Yoda appearance was awesome. The battle on the white salt stuff that's red underneath looked fucking dope.

I have to say pretty much all the complaints Ive heard about it are petty. It's Star Wars, you don't have to think that hard about it. People are like "while it may be an okay movie, is it really a good FILM?"

Out of everything in Star Wars, the dropping bombs in space thing is the thing that stands out as unrealistic to you? lol.

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132. "exactly. people don't have to love or even like it."
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that's not a requirement, but it's fucking Star Wars, you can't say eight movies in "hey this is unrealistic" motherfucker have you been watching at all.

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136. "RE: exactly. people don't have to love or even like it."
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>that's not a requirement, but it's fucking Star Wars, you
>can't say eight movies in "hey this is unrealistic"
>motherfucker have you been watching at all.
>

LOL WORD

  

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169. "pretty much"
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157. "Okay there were 2 things I didn't like"
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1. Adam Driver
I don't mind the character of Kylo Ren, but I still fucking hate this dufus playing him.

2. Benicio del t-t-t-t-Toro
Pretty weak character. Only thing they could come up with to make him interesting was a stutter? WTF?

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135. "didn't like it. (spoilers)"
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in the interests of full disclosure, i admit that i am a hardcore Original Trilogy stan, so any new franchise offering has to measure up to those films, and treat the story with canonically-accurate care, for me to like it. i've read where people are beating the drum of Rian Johnson's "refreshing" irrelevance.

i don't buy it.

maybe it was that he was left to build off a shit film like TFA, but i dunno. it just didn't hit the right notes for me. i don't give a shit about Rey. like i could care less who her parents are - she's just not compelling at all, less here than in TFA. i think it's quite likely that Kylo Ren was lying about her parents too, but i don't give a fuck about him either, i don't care about what he stands to gain from misdirecting her. and he just seems so inept as a villain. i think most movie villains (and especially SW villains) pale in comparison to Darth Vader, so a little slack is granted, but his petulance was groan-inducing.

the only character i actually liked in this film was Luke - thought Mark Hamill's performance was the one bright spot.

the conflict in the plot just seemed forced and empty, and then there were smaller hiccups that just made me disconnect with the film (like, wtf did Leia do to suck herself back into the ship??? also, didn't buy Snoke's clear mastery of the force but inability to distinguish the focal point of Ren's anger. not to mention that scene was ripped straight out of ROTJ. cool fight though.) that i came away feeling very underwhelmed.

suffice it to say that i'm now reconciling with the fact that i probably will never enjoy another star wars film. that's kinda sad to me, but it's painfully obvious, so many people are loving this TLJ drivel. it is what it is.

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137. "Wait a min. spoilers"
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Can you handle the original Star Wars movie put under a microscope ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6sdpH5N1c0

>in the interests of full disclosure, i admit that i am a
>hardcore Original Trilogy stan, so any new franchise offering
>has to measure up to those films, and treat the story with
>canonically-accurate care, for me to like it. i've read where
>people are beating the drum of Rian Johnson's "refreshing"
>irrelevance.
>
>i don't buy it.
>
>maybe it was that he was left to build off a shit film like
>TFA, but i dunno. it just didn't hit the right notes for me. i
>don't give a shit about Rey. like i could care less who her
>parents are - she's just not compelling at all, less here than
>in TFA. i think it's quite likely that Kylo Ren was lying
>about her parents too, but i don't give a fuck about him
>either, i don't care about what he stands to gain from
>misdirecting her. and he just seems so inept as a villain. i
>think most movie villains (and especially SW villains) pale in
>comparison to Darth Vader, so a little slack is granted, but
>his petulance was groan-inducing.
>
>the only character i actually liked in this film was Luke -
>thought Mark Hamill's performance was the one bright spot.
>
>the conflict in the plot just seemed forced and empty, and
>then there were smaller hiccups that just made me disconnect
>with the film (like, wtf did Leia do to suck herself back into
>the ship??? also, didn't buy Snoke's clear mastery of the
>force but inability to distinguish the focal point of Ren's
>anger. not to mention that scene was ripped straight out of
>ROTJ. cool fight though.) that i came away feeling very
>underwhelmed.
>

You don't know that Leia used the force to suck herself back in ?

>suffice it to say that i'm now reconciling with the fact that
>i probably will never enjoy another star wars film. that's
>kinda sad to me, but it's painfully obvious, so many people
>are loving this TLJ drivel. it is what it is.
>
>

I agree with most of your points.

This sums it up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ8ir66M5XU

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139. "RE: Wait a min. spoilers"
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>Can you handle the original Star Wars movie put under a
>microscope ?
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6sdpH5N1c0

LOL. that was good.


>
>You don't know that Leia used the force to suck herself back
>in ?
>

nah i got that. it just looked ridiculous. the idea of her even surviving in space like that long enough to regain consciousness and Force herself back into the ship is absurd. to me at least. most annoying was how important that moment is, and that Johnson executes it through very dubious methods. turns out he was really taking a gamble for his own satisfaction:

https://www.cinemablend.com/news/1746809/rian-johnson-explains-that-leia-scene-everyone-is-talking-about

when Luke told Leia that she had "that power too"... i took it to mean that she had the perceptive powers of the Force, and that was how it manifested itself in her. i dunno, i'm also in the camp of not trying to restrict the "science" of Star Wars, but it just looked dumb as fuck. i honestly don't think she should have survived the explosion in the first place, tbh.

>>suffice it to say that i'm now reconciling with the fact
>that
>>i probably will never enjoy another star wars film. that's
>>kinda sad to me, but it's painfully obvious, so many people
>>are loving this TLJ drivel. it is what it is.
>>
>>
>
>I agree with most of your points.
>
>This sums it up
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ8ir66M5XU

yep. that's a lot of what i had issue with. eyeball claw out mode.

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142. "well, if the rule is that the limits of the force are the original trilo..."
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why even watch new movies?

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252. "i dunno...plot?"
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continuity?

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258. "what continuity do you need? you don't want anything new or unseen."
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262. "yea i do (spoilers)"
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the clone wars animated series has been my fav so far

i actually appreciate many of the callbacks for nostalgia sake but i feel like it's still lacking in plot and character development

Luke was awesome in this though...he became the only character i cared about...i even like the Yoda appearance with him...the ending was cool in a disappointing type of way (but at least i cared)

i think a balance of nostalgia and new plot/character development is cool

they pushed kylo's character ahead but not in a way that felt...worth caring about

it could be the cast or acting though bc i can't put my finger on why it feels like work to care for Finn and Poe.

Rose really wasn't as bad to me as the odd and harsh reaction to her character

Chewie is an uber driver

Kylo has his moments and potential but they seemingly sped him along with that wild betrayal (that fight scene was pretty good)

Rei skyped with her emo brother the whole movie...I like Rei in TFA but could care less about her this episode. if not for Luke's sacrifice...i wouldn't even care that the resistance lived on...

there's something missing with this man...it completely lacks the charm of the originals and the plot of the animated series

it felt like filler episodes in anime series

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264. "I agree on all of that"
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>the clone wars animated series has been my fav so far
>
>i actually appreciate many of the callbacks for nostalgia sake
>but i feel like it's still lacking in plot and character
>development
>
>Luke was awesome in this though...he became the only character
>i cared about...i even like the Yoda appearance with him...the
>ending was cool in a disappointing type of way (but at least i
>cared)
>
>i think a balance of nostalgia and new plot/character
>development is cool
>
>they pushed kylo's character ahead but not in a way that
>felt...worth caring about
>
>it could be the cast or acting though bc i can't put my finger
>on why it feels like work to care for Finn and Poe.
>
>Rose really wasn't as bad to me as the odd and harsh reaction
>to her character
>
>Chewie is an uber driver
>
>Kylo has his moments and potential but they seemingly sped him
>along with that wild betrayal (that fight scene was pretty
>good)
>
>Rei skyped with her emo brother the whole movie...I like Rei
>in TFA but could care less about her this episode. if not for
>Luke's sacrifice...i wouldn't even care that the resistance
>lived on...
>
>there's something missing with this man...it completely lacks
>the charm of the originals and the plot of the animated
>series
>
>it felt like filler episodes in anime series

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147. "I could not watch that video"
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Why is not-Kevin-Smith talking so god damned fast??

And the style of the fucking videos where it's just long lists of things , some small things some big things, presented where they're all equal??



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141. "soooo"
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you don't care who rey's parents are.

the film agrees with you.

it was never, ever marketed as a plot point, only pushed by fans.


but it's your first problem with the film?

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145. "you're trying too hard"
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That isn't what he said. He listed several problems with the film.

The entire first film was "who is Rey?" and for her it was "my family is coming back"

This second film is "Who are Rey's parents?"

Didn't she even ask the mirror mirror on the wall?


Either way, it was a big part of her story here.


I'm not debating weather what she found out is good or not, but to say "the film doesn't care" isn't accurate.


You seem to be in several of these threads going at folks who didn't like this, and I think you gotta chill.

I admit some people are being nitpicky about the humor, about the new force powers, etc.


But reading that people don't like this movie shouldn't be so offensive to you.

  

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152. "quit lying boy."
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that's not the movie.

it was rather blatant about not being about that.

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167. "Dog, you gotta stop"
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>that's not the movie.
>
>it was rather blatant about not being about that.
>
>www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

One of the “twists” being praised is her parents not
being anyone.

And, a big theme of the movie is that heroes can
come from anywhere.

Plus, the mystery of her parents was teased in several
scenes.

The movie cared about her parents. A whole lot. Just
not the way a lot of people thought/wanted.


We all get it man. You loved the movie. A lot of
people did. Some didn’t. You can chase down
everyone who thinks differently than you, cherry
pick comments they made, and flex the knowledge
you apparently learned in an intro to film class or
something....but you aren’t going to change minds man.

And for the life of me I can’t even guess why you
are so distressed over people who have different
opinions on a Star Wars movie.

  

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234. "my first problem was actually the stupid fucking opening scene."
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my statement that i don't care who her parents are is part of a larger point that the Rey character isn't compelling by any measure. if you like/love the character, that's certainly your prerogative. to me, it's a poorly conceived character and Daisy Ridley's performance doesn't put any meat on those bones.

lol i'm not gonna go back and forth with you about this too much, you're clearly on a mission here, for a pretty conclusively average film, no less.

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144. "I mostly agree (spoilers)"
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>in the interests of full disclosure, i admit that i am a
>hardcore Original Trilogy stan, so any new franchise offering
>has to measure up to those films, and treat the story with
>canonically-accurate care, for me to like it. i've read where
>people are beating the drum of Rian Johnson's "refreshing"
>irrelevance.
>
>i don't buy it.

I think folks seem to be confusing "refreshing" and "original" with what, a lot of times, are just putting unexpected twists on the same scenes.

Like, okay its cool that Snoke got got in the 2nd film...but it still happened in a very similar scene to Return of the Jedi...


>
>maybe it was that he was left to build off a shit film like
>TFA, but i dunno

^^^ I think this is really it for me. TFA was terrible. The cast saved that from being complete trash IMO.

But it is hard for me to care about these characters too much. And it all seems like a retread/reboot in disguise.

it just didn't hit the right notes for me. i
>don't give a shit about Rey. like i could care less who her
>parents are - she's just not compelling at all,

^^^ Damn, I agree here to an extent too. I thought she was interesting in TFA, but here? I didn't care either.

It also didn't make sense that she was on a mission to find out who her parents were suddenly. In the previous one, she was waiting on her family to come back.

So, it would have made sense if she was "trying to find her family"...and if Ren had said something like "your family is never coming back, cuz they junkies and they dead"...

instead, the way it was handled, seemed more like audience manipulation and setting up a "cute" twist.


less here than
>in TFA. i think it's quite likely that Kylo Ren was lying
>about her parents too, but i don't give a fuck about him
>either, i don't care about what he stands to gain from
>misdirecting her. and he just seems so inept as a villain. i
>think most movie villains (and especially SW villains) pale in
>comparison to Darth Vader, so a little slack is granted, but
>his petulance was groan-inducing.

Dogg, the coolest thing about Kylo is his costume and now that's gone that he smashed his mask. My son isn't quite old enough to watch this one, but when he does he's going to be asking who this emo dude is and why is anyone scared of him.

>
>the only character i actually liked in this film was Luke -
>thought Mark Hamill's performance was the one bright spot.
>
>the conflict in the plot just seemed forced and empty, and
>then there were smaller hiccups that just made me disconnect
>with the film (like, wtf did Leia do to suck herself back into
>the ship???

^^^ I can tell by this scene if people are being genuine about the film or not. Like, you can love this thing and still admit that was awful.

It was one of those scenes that, as you say, take you out of the film.

Yeah, obviously science doesn't apply to Star Wars...but why take it so far?

It reminded me of that scene from the prequels where Yoda starts jumping around like a f*cking idiot. Folks in my theater laughed.

They didn't laugh at Leia, but you could kind of sense a "WTF" moment we all shared.

Cool, have Leia use the force...but that sh!t?


also, didn't buy Snoke's clear mastery of the
>force but inability to distinguish the focal point of Ren's
>anger. not to mention that scene was ripped straight out of
>ROTJ. cool fight though.) that i came away feeling very
>underwhelmed.

^^ Yup. Just cuz you take the same scenes in unexpected directions doesn't make it original/fresh.

Rian remixed some ideas. And I'm a fan of dude, but this is getting way too much praise as original.

When we got out of the theater, my wife said "it was good...but I think everyone is caught up in nostalgia...its the same movie over and over again"

And she's right. She had just caught ROTJ on cable a few days earlier, so that specific throne scene was fresh on her mind.

What kind of sucks is there WERE some cool ideas in this one. I thought the Luke twist at the end was well done. The idea that there are folks out there profiting from constant war could have been the entire plot/theme of the movie. I thought the stable kids were a cool idea.

Sh!t like that. But for me, it's all overshadowed by the fact that this film was still a rehash and, most importantly, I just don't give a f*ck about these characters.



>
>suffice it to say that i'm now reconciling with the fact that
>i probably will never enjoy another star wars film. that's
>kinda sad to me, but it's painfully obvious, so many people
>are loving this TLJ drivel. it is what it is.
>
>

Same. I had really hoped that this could save/salvage that TFA mess.

But, it hit me that I hated TFA and am scratching my head at the love this one is getting too. Like, if I could go back in time and tell 10-year old me there will be Star Wars sequels and "you are going to hate them" ??? haha

  

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146. "who's the villain?"
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Trust Fund Vader done got his ass beat twice, and has been shown to be a petulant, emo twat for two movies now.

We already know that he's no match for Rey. And RIP Snoke
So who/what is the villain for episode 9?

  

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148. "lol pretty much "
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>Trust Fund Vader done got his ass beat twice, and has been
>shown to be a petulant, emo twat for two movies now.
>
>We already know that he's no match for Rey. And RIP Snoke
>So who/what is the villain for episode 9?
>
>

I’m stealing “trust fund Vader” haha

I’m starting to think they rushed this shit. You would
think that with a trilogy at least some things would be
planned out.

Nah. The directors just taking turns like a cypher- only
they are each doing terrible freestyles and biting lines
and shit.

  

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150. "Yup. The basics of story are all fucked up in this joint"
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I think RJ said he started writing this one before he saw the first one? Like damn continuity.

And given how 8 ends, there really is NO reason to watch the next flick.

Our hero in this flick spends the majority of the time playing therapist to the hero of the original trilogy, and Skype therapist to the villain of THIS trilogy.

Meanwhile, she learns that the nothing that she knows about her lineage is correct.

WHUT?

Leia dies!!!! Wait, she's resurrected in the most stupendous feat of the force ever...only to come back and spend most of the rest of the flick in a coma, or just doing jack shit. Why bring her back then?

HUH?

  

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153. "LOL. it's hilarious watching people use their wikipedia knowledge"
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to explain what they a story arc is.

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154. "Okay I’ve gotta talk about the Leia in space thing. "
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People seem to think that you die instantly in the vacuum of space, and that’s not the case at all:

https://science.howstuffworks.com/question540.htm

In our own real universe, a human would remain conscious for around 15 seconds, and would die in around a minute. They wouldn’t freeze for around 24 hours. How long was Leia in space? Maybe 10-20 seconds? And she has Force ability?

Also the flying through space thing isn’t some crazy Force feat - a regular person would float in space so it wouldn’t take much of a Force pull at all for her to pull herself back to the ship.



>Leia dies!!!! Wait, she's resurrected in the most stupendous
>feat of the force ever...only to come back and spend most of
>the rest of the flick in a coma, or just doing jack shit. Why
>bring her back then?

  

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174. "RE: Okay I’ve gotta talk about the Leia in space thing. "
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>In our own real universe, a human would remain conscious for
>around 15 seconds, and would die in around a minute. They
>wouldn’t freeze for around 24 hours. How long was Leia in
>space? Maybe 10-20 seconds? And she has Force ability?
>
>Also the flying through space thing isn’t some crazy Force
>feat - a regular person would float in space so it wouldn’t
>take much of a Force pull at all for her to pull herself back
>to the ship.

except that they showed her freeze and her eyes close

then she put the huey p fist up superman style and flew back to the ship

FOH

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175. "yeah, it's super realistic how obi wan uses the force to lie to random p..."
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it makes complete sense.


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177. "mind control"
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has been in every single movie lol

leia...a person who has never done anything with the force outside of hearing luke's plea for help in empire...

can now come back to life and fly back to a spaceship ok

and that compares to the well known jedi mind trick that is part of the cultural lexicon??

thats what u would call a reach

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178. "She is force sensitive "
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That's all you need to know. She never trained so she isn't as powerful as Luke. Yoda wanted to train her not Luke cause he sensed she was stronger. Much like Rey they are both probably more powerful than the other force users they are directly connected to in the movies if it was nurtured but with little to no training we haven't seen it. Their ceiling with the Force is seems to be much higher. It's not known whether she was brought back to life, she could've just been knocked out from the blast and wasn't out there long enough to freeze...Also none of this is real so it doesn't matter lol


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194. "RE: She is force sensitive "
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>That's all you need to know. She never trained so she isn't
>as powerful as Luke. Yoda wanted to train her not Luke cause
>he sensed she was stronger. Much like Rey they are both
>probably more powerful than the other force users they are
>directly connected to in the movies if it was nurtured but
>with little to no training we haven't seen it. Their ceiling
>with the Force is seems to be much higher. It's not known
>whether she was brought back to life, she could've just been
>knocked out from the blast and wasn't out there long enough to
>freeze...Also none of this is real so it doesn't matter lol

you making shit up... nothing ever indicated she was stronger with the force than luke. shit...she was in darth vaders presence and he didnt know nothing about her. he knew luke was his son...

and if jedis could fly... why didnt mace windu do it... he was top 2 all time powerful

just admit the shit was DUMB

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219. "I made the Mace argument earlier..."
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>>That's all you need to know. She never trained so she isn't
>>as powerful as Luke. Yoda wanted to train her not Luke cause
>>he sensed she was stronger. Much like Rey they are both
>>probably more powerful than the other force users they are
>>directly connected to in the movies if it was nurtured but
>>with little to no training we haven't seen it. Their ceiling
>>with the Force is seems to be much higher. It's not known
>>whether she was brought back to life, she could've just been
>>knocked out from the blast and wasn't out there long enough
>to
>>freeze...Also none of this is real so it doesn't matter lol
>
>you making shit up... nothing ever indicated she was stronger
>with the force than luke. shit...she was in darth vaders
>presence and he didnt know nothing about her. he knew luke
>was his son...
>
>and if jedis could fly... why didnt mace windu do it... he was
>top 2 all time powerful
>
Like, many Jedi much stronger haven't shown that skill. While Leia is force sensitive, she shouldn't be able to make that kind of recovery.

Let's just admit they're making this stuff up as they go.

>just admit the shit was DUMB

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179. "so, your defense of it, is that it has been in the movies."
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not that it actually makes sense, just that you've seen it before, you piddling piece of shit.

go fucking watch the old movies and masturbate over them, because the only thing you want is what you've seen.

we know she got the force b, it's not a surprise.

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195. "RE: so, your defense of it, is that it has been in the movies."
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>not that it actually makes sense, just that you've seen it
>before, you piddling piece of shit.
>
>go fucking watch the old movies and masturbate over them,
>because the only thing you want is what you've seen.
>
>we know she got the force b, it's not a surprise.
>
>www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

youre a fucking emotional retard. and not too bright either. the best parts of the last jedi were ripped from return of the jedi lol

you dont even know how i feel about the original movies

you're a grown man? or young 20s? if youre grown i feel sorry for your kids (if you have any)

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232. "um. presumably you like the old movies at least a little."
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It would be really weird to watch the 8th flick in a series of movies you already don't like, but if you're that guy then go for it,

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149. "thats an extremely bleak take on it i think"
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251. "i have the some of the same opinions..."
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but without the same attachment to the original trilogy

TFA was actually good to me though...not great...but enjoyable

my memories of Empire Strikes back is weak as hell though so i'm sure a ton of the references missed me but the universe just isn't quite as emotionally engaging...i liked the battle on the red salt sand and those visuals but Finn and Rose stumbled through the plot and seemingly failed at everything only to be double-crossed by someone reduced to the stuttering hacker guy...

kylo didn't annoy me as much in this one but his takedown of Snoke was weak to me as well

I agree that Luke was the highlight of this film though...

I like Rei but my overall investment in her and Finn dwindled throughout the movie...Those cross-universe communications were dope though

Maybe the middle movies are just made to annoy you with the harebrained plans that turn into a bunch of misadventures that only skim the surface of the conflicts at play





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151. "Kylo was right."
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I wish Rey would've agreed. A plot twist like that would've made a nerd's head explode inside his Darth Vader helmet.

Kylo logically laid out why both the Resistance and the First Order should be toppled for something new and Rey wasn't having that. The war is essentially a feud at this point. The galaxy doesn't even care.



I'm not even getting into Leia stuff.....Star Wars basically gave itself the same problem as the Fast and Furious movies. Allowing Leia to survive the film is nice and all.....but ultimately I think that decision hurts the film and the next installment.

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253. "yep, this was the breath of fresh air the series needed"
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not even for it to come to fruition but for it to be viewed as a viable option for force users

Jedi preach balance but don't don't seem too keen on practicing balancing the dark and light sides at all

i'm cool with it not happening bc that's real but the fact that it wasn't even marketed well by Kylo sucks

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155. "The green milk reference was a little out of place"
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but it was still dope.

signifies Luke's lightsaber colors. He was given a blue lightsaber while growing up on tatooine drinking blue milk.

now that the farm boy is grown up and has a green lightsaber, they had him green milking an animal. then he turns to Rey with a smirk on his face while drinking it.

trolled us all

  

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156. "why are racists so upset?"
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apparently this is becoming a theme

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158. "maybe it's because Finn murked his master....."
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That smirk on his face when Phasma calls him scum is priceless.
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159. "They fucked up Rose Tico's Wiki page"
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https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/apos-star-wars-apos-trolls-145700770.html

  

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163. "people are assholes. "
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this shit is right up there with rabid sports fandom.

like, chill b., its entertainment

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197. "RE: why are racists so upset?"
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They want to take credit for fucking with the movie

http://www.indiewire.com/2017/12/star-wars-last-jedi-backlash-alt-right-female-characters-1201910095/

An alt-right group named Down With Disney’s Treatment of Franchises and its Fanboys is taking responsibility for flooding Rotten Tomatoes with negative reviews of the Rian Johnson-directed blockbuster. One of the biggest headlines surrounding the film has been the fan backlash, specifically the movie’s shockingly low Rotten Tomatoes user score. As of this posting, “The Last Jedi” currently has a 54% user score from over 132,000 reviews.

The number is in direct contrast to the film’s A CinemaScore and 92% critic score on the website, which has made some question what exactly is going on. A moderator for the alt-right group has broken his silence to The Huffington Post to claim that the group has been using bots to significantly bring down the film’s Rotten Tomatoes user score.

The moderator explained to The Huffington Post that the group is upset with “Star Wars” for “introducing more female characters into the franchise’s universe.” The group is also not happy that Poe Dameron (Oscar Isaac) has become a “victim of the anti-mansplaining movement” and that characters like Poe and Luke Skywalker (Mark Hamill) are in danger of being “turned gay.” The moderator said men should be “reinstated as rulers of society,” and expressed distaste for the way “The Last Jedi” disrespects the franchise’s history.

“There were supposed to be a trilogy of books and then some after set in the Legends canon. But Kathleen Kennedy and Pablo Hidalgo wanted to pursue their own feminist agenda,” the moderator wrote to The Huffington Post. “I was never going to like ‘The Last Jedi’ anyway because erases everything the Extended Universe ever did.”

As for his issues with the focus on female characters, the moderator said, “Did you not see everything that came out of ‘Ghostbusters’? That is why. I’m sick and tired of men being portrayed as idiots. There was a time we ruled society and I want to see that again. That is why I voted for Donald Trump.”

Read More:‘Star Wars’ Has Put Women in the Back Seat Before, But in ‘The Last Jedi’ They Call the Shots
According to the moderator, the group flooded Rotten Tomatoes with both positive and negative reviews there “scent could be thrown off.” Some of the bots were not efficient, however, which resulted in some of the negative “The Last Jedi” reviews going on to “The Shape of Water” page. A one-and-a-half-star review on “The Shape of Water” page, for instance, reads: “To slow, unnecessary side story about a casino, WHO WAS SNOKE!!!!, and Rose is annoying.”

A Rotten Tomatoes representative told HuffPost they are taking the claim “very seriously” and have a team of “security, network, social, database experts who monitor all of our platforms and they haven’t seen any unusual activity.”

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229. "*head explosion emoji"
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I’m sick and tired of men being portrayed as idiots.
.... That is why I voted for Donald Trump.”




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230. "*head explosion emoji"
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I’m sick and tired of men being portrayed as idiots.
.... That is why I voted for Donald Trump.”




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160. "Star Wars canon and Islam"
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One of my favorite scenes was the Admiral Holdo hyperspace ship crash scene. For one, it gave us something that we've never ever seen in Star Wars. (Think back to Han telling Luke about how the falcon has to make the correct calculations on the navicomputer or else they would crash into a planet or another object) Now we got to see what that looks like physically. But, it had me thinking that this scene would have done Admiral Ackbar more justice to execute given how much that character meant to the story and franchise. And they didn't even show him getting killed. Then I thought to myself, (like we talked about in Pass The Popcorn)..there's NO WAY Disney is going to have a character by the name of "Ackbar" crash a ship into something...

Then it got me to thinking about Rogue One and the planet Jedha. There was an article by Vanity Fair interviewing Gareth Edwards speaking about the canon history of Jedha. If you look at Jedha from space, you'll see a big crater like image that Jedha City is the center of. Per Edwards, a meteor hit Jedha millions of years ago and that resulted of all of the Kyber Crystals (Think Khyber Pass). Now Jedha is considered holy resulting to the Jedi order.

http://collider.com/rogue-one-kyber-crystals-jedha-easter-egg/

It would burn a lot of these alt-right nerds up to know that this particular canon piece was taken from the origins of Islam and the holy city of Mecca in Saudi Arabia. Yes, the same Mecca where a meteor landed and currently has millions of Muslims make their Haj pilgrimage to because the prophet Muhammad declared it a sign from Allah.

  

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161. "no hero's journey for Rey"
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With all of the first trilogy's flaws they got the journey of the hero exactly right as did the matrix. No such journey in either of the new releases

  

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164. "HEEEEEERROOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSS JOOOORRNNNEEEEEE"
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every shitty hallmark movie has it, go watch those.

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165. "It’s pretty difficult to gauge a hero’s journey two films into a tri..."
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After the first film you can see it, and when the trilogy is complete you will see the full hero’s journey. But that’s diffcult to see 2/3’s of the way through it.

Rey had an obvious hero’s journey in TFA. You had her status quo establishment, a call to adventure and her reluctant acceptance after an initial rejection, a mentor figure, a departure from her status quo world, challenges upon accepting the call, and ultimate triumph or boon.

This was very similar to Luke’s journey in A New Hope or Neo’s In the Matrix. But if you wanted to examine a hero’s journey for Luke after ESB or Neo after Reloaded, it would be more difficult because you wouldn’t know yet how that extended journey would be completed.

You also have Kyle Ren going through a reverse hero’s journey in this trilogy.

  

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166. "You need to go on a grammar and punctuation journey"
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Fartface

  

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171. "That's Mr. Fart Face to you buster "
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168. "Nope. Rey hasn't struggled/lost/come up short "
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2/3s of the way thru the trilogy

By the end of ep IV, Luke had lost his whole family, his home, and his adopted mentor. Leia had lost a whooooole planet and her British accent, LOL

That's the first flick.

There's no reason to give a shit about her, at all

  

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170. "Yeah being abandoned and a slave is the high life"
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176. "People are doing the most trying to tear down this trilogy"
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181. "Lol you know it's doesn't compare to Luke's journey or Neo's"
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I use those as examples of what a proper journey plot line tends to look like. The character struggles, loses something like their parents, their hand, their life (in the matrix Neo even loses his "life" twice ).

Everything comes easy for the Rey character and whereas we saw Luke training on the falcon and training with Yoda and LOSING to Vader. Rey just doesn't compare to that character development which makes it real hard to care about her.

Same for the Matrix we see Neo train and fail try and fail and eventually succeed.

  

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172. "I'm saying "
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173. "Rey never had a family to lose."
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It is astounding how many lies you pitiful shits will tell yourselves to pretend that you think you know something about storytelling.

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180. "Why are you so mad "
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>It is astounding how many lies you pitiful shits will tell
>yourselves to pretend that you think you know something about
>storytelling.
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>www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

About people not liking a Star Wars movie?

It has crossed the line and has become f*cking
weird.

  

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183. "DJ Akademiks is wild right now "
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182. "The loss of family is an example not to be taken literally "
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and I get the impression that it's understood that "family" just has to be something the character is close to or values like a family.

Rey does not have that element in her character arc.

Reys arc does not detail any struggle for her in learning or understanding her role in these films - like Leia she can just "do stuff" without any set up.

Its not a condemnation of the film. Plenty of people like it.

  

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184. "Rey's arc (thus far) is learning to become her own person"
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Her parents being nobodies as well as the kid on Canto Bight drive home the fact that you can be something from literally nothing. Rey realizes that once Luke fails her and she goes to Kylo. That fact is driven even further on Kylo decides to fully embrace the Dark Side for his own gain. Literally killing the past so you can be what you want.

As far as Leia, it's been 30 years between Jedi and Force Awakens, I'm pretty sure she learned some things about the Force between that time. I don't know why people have hard time with Leia using the Force to pull herself back into the ship when it was established in Return of the Jedi that she's Force sensitive, as well as her feeling it during Force Awakens when Han dies.

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185. "That's the theme Johnson wants to get across"
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but he sacrifices story, logic, character development and much of the previous history of the franchise, and even the prior film to do it.

Rey's arc is learning self reliance? As far as we know, she was already a self-sufficient orphan in one of the harshest environments imaginable. (the shot in TLJ that shows her being amazed by rain was dope, btw). She leaves the literal hole in the ground that she grew up in, is exposed to an entire new world...and is immediately able to be top dog in that world. We don't see her struggle to grow in this whole new universe, at all. Rocky got trained and got his ass beat. Mike Corleone had to earn respect. Tony Stark had to be humbled. The Grinch had to see that kid smiling at him.
Rey hasn't had any struggle at all in the film. And in a franchise that is literally built on the concept of struggle against larger powers AND your own internal demons, her lack of difficulty really sticks out.

RE: anybody can be a jedi...well, yeah. That's been established since the original film from 77. Hell, it was hinted that Finn was force sensitive in the last flick. And Lupita's puppet was force sensitive too.

  

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186. "It hasn't been hinted "
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Which is why everyone thought she was a Skywalker. Family and being related to most powerful force users or chosen one is why there's always been speculation on certain characters. It's the first thing that comes up in anyone's theories about any of these characters. Stop making things up to fit your point lol

Also having Rey grow up alone and you right we met her when she was pretty self sufficient but what the story telling did was let us know she had a hard life doing it and is trying to find her place in the world which was always a struggle, hence her scene in TFa when shes looking at the other slaves and the sky. You can literally see she feels out of place there. Its all over her face.

Is it tbe SAME type of struggle we have seeen in movies? No. What your long winded answer should be that you just dont like it lol


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189. "Finn's introduced in TFA by being sensitive to the Force"
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Like he and Kylo Ren sense each other on the battlefield.
It's like in the first 5 minutes of the movie, lol

Re: Rey being a skywalker...you do realize that the whole Jedi order was made up of NOT skywalkers, right? Like, there's 7 whooooooole movies that tell and show you that the force ain't the property of one family. Matter of fact, part of what made Vader Vader was the fact that he had kids.

Rey being a nobody is pretty much regular

  

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191. "Finn being force sensitive is not canon its a theory"
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A good one and thats not the example of him using it. Its that he sensed/heard the cries od people dying before it actuallg happeens when the first order blows up the planets.

Yes i do know the jedi order is made up of not just fhe skywalker family...bur the star wars movies. Is about the Skywalker family, hence the Kylo line “you mean nothing to the story...” especially after all the speculation that she was. Smh. Try again tho its cute you leep trying to stick to your argument that make no sense
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193. "mind the spelling mistakes i was at dinner eating a steak"
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while type this and not trying to be rude lol


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187. "Rey's struggle is there"
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I mean we can say Finn was good with a lightsaber too as he held his own against Kylo. I don't think Rey has a full handle on her powers. Even at end of this film, she sighs about moving rocks. She went to seek training (as well as bring him back) and has to realize that she has to be enough.

If that's not enough for you cool. I get it. But it's there.

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188. "what/where is it?"
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She hops in the Millennium Falcon and is a bomb pilot
Immediately mind tricks somebody when captured
Fights and beats Kylo
Goes to get training from Luke...and scares the shit outta him with her powers, lol
Ultimately becomes a therapist for him (!!!!!)
Goes to the source of the dark side, and just sees a bunch of mirrors, and no consequence, lol
She ain't even a decent audience proxy, cuz she ain't ever really shocked by none of the events around her, lol

Seriously, where is her struggle with herself, or the world around her, in the film?

  

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190. "RE: what/where is it?"
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She struggled to accept the truth about her parents through both films

  

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192. "At this point we've pointed it out many times"
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You are voluntarily choosing not to acknowledge it LOL *shrugs*

You think you are making a point by not talking about it after its pointed out to you by restating plot points in the movie and skipping over parts of the story that prove you wrong.....at what point do you want to have a discussion or just keep telling us the same "truths" as you see it? Not sure what we are doing here at this point. Let us know.

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196. "There is no setup for Leia’s drastic force mastery "
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And that’s going with the idea the force can allow such a feat

Regarding Rey’s charcacter development none of the scenes pointed out where Rey faces any kind of struggle have any real impact on the impact on her progresss. Hey story would pretty much be the same without them.

  

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198. "What the fuck does this even mean?"
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>And that’s going with the idea the force can allow such a
>feat

It's been decades between Return of the Jedi and The Force Awakens. I'm sure Leia has learned to the use the Force between now and then,

Add to that the OG trilogy never really had "rules" to the Force. It's always been treated like a blunt instrument. I don't know why people have such a hard time believing that someone could use it to pull themselves towards something.

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199. "RE: What the fuck does this even mean?"
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>>And that’s going with the idea the force can allow such a
>>feat
>
>It's been decades between Return of the Jedi and The Force
>Awakens. I'm sure Leia has learned to the use the Force
>between now and then,
>
>Add to that the OG trilogy never really had "rules" to the
>Force. It's always been treated like a blunt instrument. I
>don't know why people have such a hard time believing that
>someone could use it to pull themselves towards something.

so why didnt mace windu (a master) do it when he fell out the window??

and it contradicts the whole idea of TLJ that they NEED luke to bring balance back



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200. "Leia's feat isn't much"
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It was an at time of extreme duress and a slight finger flick can move you in the dead of space if you have an anchor...you're weightless.

This whole Leia coming into the force thing is a bit too much. If we gotta keep it geeky and funky its no different then other feats of 'strength' during our body's flight or fight.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/body-odd/how-do-people-find-superhuman-strength-lift-cars-f921457

she's not gonna be shooting lightning or throwing metrorites with her mind any time soon like anyone else who pulls off crazy shit when life is on the line

  

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201. "Means that even if you’re on board with Leia being an adept force user"
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There isn’t a single piece of dialogue or anything to set that scene up. Up until then the impression was that yeah Leia has the same or greater potential than Luke but NO training.

I think the idea of her being able to use the force in such a way is cool it’s the execution that doesn’t do it for me.

Lloyd’s point is a good one. If leia can survive the void of space and the explosion leading up to it then Windu shouldn’t have been dispatched by falling out of a window

  

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202. "Windu got his arms cut off. Leia didn't."
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>There isn’t a single piece of dialogue or anything to set
>that scene up. Up until then the impression was that yeah Leia
>has the same or greater potential than Luke but NO training.
>

30 years. Literally, anything could've happened. You're just assuming Leia had no training. Do you know that for a fact that Leia had no training in the 30 years between films?

And Leia pulling herself back onto the ship is literally not that big of a deal when niggas can Force jump and use the Force to come back as ghosts.

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207. "correction: arm cut off"
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he still had 1 left...

leia only threw 1 in the air lol

rian johnson has explained it as adrenaline strength basically

he also admitted it would be a hard sell

as long as he knows...

movie still sucked monkey balls

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208. "Y'all are weird"
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You have no trouble accepting lightsabers or the various creatures or any of the shit in the prequels, but Leia using the force to pull herself onto the ship is a deal breaker. Okay.

I'd argue that Mace was trying to wrap his head around the betrayal versus Leia currently engaged in a space battle, but you know what fuck it. I'm out.

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209. "nah... you just aint thinking"
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the lightsaber is a GIVEN in star wars. it has ALWAYS been there.

LEiA too has ALWAYS been there. in EVERY MOVIE since her character was born

While force sensitive...she has never displayed any force powers

and now out of the blue she pulls off one of the greatest displays of the force in any of the movies


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210. "Holy fucking shit"
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In Empire and Jedi it's hinted that Leia has the potential to be just as powerful as Luke.

Y'all are fucking cherry picking shit now.

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213. "whiny ass dudes in her bloodline all get to do whatever with the force"
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but leia's somehow less powerful because she's spent decades getting shit done?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLlu_RpElBs

(i didn't like the scene, but lol at team unrealistic)

  

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216. "^^^^^^^^"
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227. "yea, it didn't look good to me and that's my beef"
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Leia could blow up a Star Destroyer with her mind for all I care as long as it looks good


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236. "man you and bwood are not reading"
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what did i say was wrong?

i didnt say she didnt have "potential"...i said she aint never done shit besides communicate with luke and get "feelings" about events...

and then she pulls off one of the greatest feats of force power ever

again whats wrong in that?

its a stretch for me... and then nobody even mentioned it in the movie lol

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237. "I don't get why that was such a great force power..."
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She was in space, with no gravity. All she needed was a basic force pull maybe the equivalent of ESB Luke pulling his lightsaber out of the snow (the first time he did any force pull) and that would be enough for her to move back towards the ship. Once she started moving she would continue off of that momentum.

She basically just needed to hold her breath for around 20 seconds and needed to concentrate enough for a slight force pull. The way it was shot made it dramatic with the music playing John Williams's Leia theme, and the way they had her floating back looked awkward - I'll definitely give you that. But it wasn't a crazy powerful Force feat.

The had Kanan on Star Wars Rebels do the same thing in the vacuum of space last season, and he's not a powerful Jedi at all.

  

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238. "^^^^^^"
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239. "Here's the clip of Kanan in the vacuum of space..."
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZTZQgBKGKg

  

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245. "do you see him train and become proficient in force techniques prior?"
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256. "He had training, but was incomplete. He was a padawan when "
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Order 66 happened and survived it because his master sacrificed her life for his. He isn't especially powerful at all.

I think anyone with a little bit of force power could do what Leia did in TLJ. There's no gravity in space - all you have to do is hold your breath for 20 seconds and use a little force pull.

For example, Luke's force pull of his lightsaber in ESB was the first time he used the force in that way, and he hadn't been trained on it at all. Leia very much likely had more "training" than this in the 30 years since she found out she was force sensitive, just from random conversation with Luke. Just because you don't see something happen on screen doesn't make it a plot hole, and given that she had 30 years for some type of training to happen it isn't much of a logical leap.

But again, the way it was shot was awkward as heck.

  

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257. "Even some exposition would have been enough in Leía’s case"
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We don’t have to see some flashback of her an Luke mediating and lifting x wings together or anything (as dope as that would be)

Like you I think the setup is the problem not the action

  

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224. "Mace also had gravity working against him..."
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Floating in space is a different story from getting thrown out of a skyscraper.

  

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205. "Ummm yes there is. Yoda revealed he thought she was the chosen one "
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Not Luke which is why he wanted to train her, it was one of his mistakes as s Jedi.

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211. "The audience has never been told about or shown her training"
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So it’s fair to say that it’s a bit of leap to have her using the force with such profiency. It’s like she gained that level of skill in a vacuum or something.

  

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215. "the audience never heard about snoke's training or rey's parents"
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but that didn't stop the internet from justifying their theories

luke was using the force to blow up the death star after one road trip.

furthermore, if this shit had happened in an expanded universe comic book or novel 10 years ago no one would have had any issue with it.

  

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223. "Snokes not the main character we don’t need to see him develop"
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And we’re not really supposed to care about him like that . Rey’s parents background and the audience being allowed to watch her struggle with her development as a Jedi are two different subjects.

>but that didn't stop the internet from justifying their
>theories
>
>luke was using the force to blow up the death star after one
>road trip.

The kid made a great shot too 1 in a million chance of making it right? That throw away line is an indicator that yeah he got lucky but with the help of the force and Obi Wan who told him to ditch the computer.


>furthermore, if this shit had happened in an expanded universe
>comic book or novel 10 years ago no one would have had any
>issue with it.

That’s true I’ll give you that, but I think that would be better than not addressing it all until it’s put to the director. Like I said I think most people would be way more on board if the story itself somehow gave the audience some insight.

  

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203. "RE: There is no setup for Leia’s drastic force mastery "
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Rian already explained this..

Leia's space move was pure survival mechanism and instinct... fight or flight (lifting car to save baby etc..)

thats it

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212. "Fair enough. I would have just liked for the film to explain that "
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and not have to have the director do it

  

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I felt like the scene laid that out

But alas

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204. "not only that, but bringing her back undercuts the dramatic weight of he..."
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"death"
Especially since she didn't really do anything after she returned.

  

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206. "Lol you know all this was written and filmed before she died"
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214. "frankly the most amazing thing about the whole thing"
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is they like their plan so much for ix that they didn't bother tweaking this.

  

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221. "there isn't a plan"
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according to rian johnson and jj abrams and kathleen kennedy, there isn't a overarching story board apparently.

RJ supposedly had carte blanche to do what he wanted.

It shows, lol

  

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217. "I'm not talking about the actress. I mean the character"
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One of the few moments in the film that had any real impact was the scene of Darth School Shooter's crew killing Leia. Leave her dead and you show how serious shit is for the rebels, Kylo becomes heavier, and you get a send off for a beloved character.

But to undo it? For no apparent narrative reason AT ALL? you show that none of this shit really means anything, and it feels like you're just making shit up as you go along

  

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218. "i think the fact that they kept it"
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means he did have a reason for it.

we all would have been fine with it ending there for her, but he kept it.

it's just all going to depend on how the next flick goes.

  

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220. "I believe it was all kept for that last line "
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Where she tells her people to follow Poe, it was the literal passing of the torch they didn't want to get rid of that scene
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225. "you're probably right....but....."
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the film spends its entirety explaining why Poe wouldn't be a great leader. He gets one scene of rational thinking at the end. But even that scene where he realizes that Luke is stalling isnt based on actual factuals because Luke couldn't have come from anywhere within the mine because he never was really there.

Star Wars might've just painted themselves into a corner by not getting RJ to fall back just a little bit.
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226. "No they didn't they are fine "
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And yeah he spent most of the movie failing as a leader as Leia and Poes relationship has always been about mentorship. Within the entire lore of books, comics and the movies where Poe shows up. So he has an "ah-ha" moment and you are complaining about it. Cool.
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233. "lolllllllll"
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y'all are so. mad. that there's a female main character.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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235. "Shit's wild"
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Niggas are bending over backwards over the littlest shit that can be explained if you put some thought into it.

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246. "Lazy reply and reach. All of my star wars RPG characters are female"
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The problem is she is a Mary Sue of a character not that the character is a she

  

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267. "LOL"
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shit's wild
People really can't dislike the movie, it seems

  

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228. "franchise reboot/refresh at Act 2 out of 3 (8 out of 9)?"
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they shoulda kept doing rogue one extended universe stories


2 of those for every skywalker family drama installment. spend the extra time getting the story together



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231. "loved it. n/m"
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240. "I was disappointed. Shit was waaaay too long. "
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Started out on fire and then got progressively worse. I thought people were being sensational about ole girl floating thru space. That shit was laughable.

Ole girl and dude talking to each other? Trash.

Wasn’t bad but it damn sure wasn’t anywhere near a Rogue One.

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249. "folks were giggling in the theater at the suddenly shirtless scene"
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like why is this dude shirtless all of a sudden??

  

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241. "Trash, throw the whole franchise away."
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242. "lol damn"
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243. "it really REALLY does put the main concept in the trash compactor"
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and replaces it with nothing
8/9ths of the way through the story, lol
It's the damnedest thing I've seen from Hollywood product in a minute

  

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244. "Not really"
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it makes it better.

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250. "I haven't seen it, but I'm curious what you mean by this."
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Do you mean it tosses out the religious/spiritual
concept or something else?
I don't mind spoilers either, because I'm not invested
in Star Wars like that. I moreso just enjoy analyzing
it, and hearing what you have to say will just make
that more fun when I do finally see it lol.

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255. "I don't think it's trash but it's trying too hard"
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I have no problem with a female lead but Leah floating thru space was a cop out. Let a woman die and keep that shit gritty and real. Shit looked like some TV special FX too.

First hour was aiight but gotdamn they needed to cut out 45 minutes to an hour.

The main fight scene with ole girl and emo villain was cool but it felt like they were on a sound stage. All that space background and they had a boring ass background for that fight scene.

The connection between them was also a joke.

The ending was a snoozer. I was mad as shit when and expected an epic battle and it was some "gotcha" bullshit to distract for a getaway. smh.. boo.

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268. "Yeah. In trying to "stand on its own" ,"
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it pisses on the mythological elements of the original pretty frivolously, I feel.

Instead of building up new characters/stories/mythology we care about, it just shits on the old ones, hard.

The movie is essentially an attempted reset of the franchise that seems to be proud of hating the franchise, lol.

A big part of why Star Wars worked IMO was the fact that it's chock full of comparative global mythology. It's filled with all kinds of overt nods to myths that resonates, cuz humans like their stories.

This movie repeatedly says "all that's dumb, it don't matter."
Ok, that's fine, but what do they replace it with?
Really bland themes of general individualism, along with weird tokenism. Oh, and don't forget "kill the past".
So in movie 8 of 9, you tell me fuck everything both STORYWISE and THEMATICALLY in films 1-7? And most GLARINGLY, 7, which ended on about as literal a cliffhanger you could get?

So, nothing about the story and themes of the other films matter...including the film preceding this one, which is the reason this flick exists?
Why should I care about anything in *THIS* film, much less anything that comes after this one?

It's an oddly nihilistic flick, and the franchise really suffers for it.
I got no idea where you go from here, story wise. Cuz you just said 40 years of story don't matter and the characters were lies and you more or less ended the rebellion, apparently.

The more I think about it, Kylo Ren and this movie got the same problems, lol. They mad about what they can't be, lol


>Do you mean it tosses out the religious/spiritual
>concept or something else?
>I don't mind spoilers either, because I'm not invested
>in Star Wars like that. I moreso just enjoy analyzing
>it, and hearing what you have to say will just make
>that more fun when I do finally see it lol.

  

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270. "pretty much"
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>it pisses on the mythological elements of the original pretty
>frivolously, I feel.
>
>Instead of building up new characters/stories/mythology we
>care about, it just shits on the old ones, hard.
>
>The movie is essentially an attempted reset of the franchise
>that seems to be proud of hating the franchise, lol.
>
>A big part of why Star Wars worked IMO was the fact that it's
>chock full of comparative global mythology. It's filled with
>all kinds of overt nods to myths that resonates, cuz humans
>like their stories.
>
>This movie repeatedly says "all that's dumb, it don't matter."
>
>Ok, that's fine, but what do they replace it with?
>Really bland themes of general individualism, along with weird
>tokenism. Oh, and don't forget "kill the past".
>So in movie 8 of 9, you tell me fuck everything both STORYWISE
>and THEMATICALLY in films 1-7? And most GLARINGLY, 7, which
>ended on about as literal a cliffhanger you could get?
>
>So, nothing about the story and themes of the other films
>matter...including the film preceding this one, which is the
>reason this flick exists?
>Why should I care about anything in *THIS* film, much less
>anything that comes after this one?
>
>It's an oddly nihilistic flick, and the franchise really
>suffers for it.
>I got no idea where you go from here, story wise. Cuz you just
>said 40 years of story don't matter and the characters were
>lies and you more or less ended the rebellion, apparently.
>
>The more I think about it, Kylo Ren and this movie got the
>same problems, lol. They mad about what they can't be, lol
>
>
>>Do you mean it tosses out the religious/spiritual
>>concept or something else?
>>I don't mind spoilers either, because I'm not invested
>>in Star Wars like that. I moreso just enjoy analyzing
>>it, and hearing what you have to say will just make
>>that more fun when I do finally see it lol.
>

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275. "couldn't tell if Del Toros character was talking about the franchise "
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when he said don't take either side and be free of the machine

  

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295. "Damn"
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>it pisses on the mythological elements of the original pretty
>frivolously, I feel.
>
>Instead of building up new characters/stories/mythology we
>care about, it just shits on the old ones, hard.
>
>The movie is essentially an attempted reset of the franchise
>that seems to be proud of hating the franchise, lol.

>This movie repeatedly says "all that's dumb, it don't matter."
>
>Ok, that's fine, but what do they replace it with?
>Really bland themes of general individualism,






That sounds like present mainstream Hip Hop with the exception of a couple of folks lol. Everything you described sounds like they're trying to overhaul the franchise for a new generation, and that disrespect of the past sounds like something much of this generation can relate to. Thanks for your breakdown, man. I'll be watching for all of this when I see it and I'll try to remember to give my take as well.





along with weird
>tokenism. Oh, and don't forget "kill the past".
>So in movie 8 of 9, you tell me fuck everything both STORYWISE
>and THEMATICALLY in films 1-7? And most GLARINGLY, 7, which
>ended on about as literal a cliffhanger you could get?
>
>So, nothing about the story and themes of the other films
>matter...including the film preceding this one, which is the
>reason this flick exists?
>Why should I care about anything in *THIS* film, much less
>anything that comes after this one?
>
>It's an oddly nihilistic flick, and the franchise really
>suffers for it.
>I got no idea where you go from here, story wise. Cuz you just
>said 40 years of story don't matter and the characters were
>lies and you more or less ended the rebellion, apparently.
>
>The more I think about it, Kylo Ren and this movie got the
>same problems, lol. They mad about what they can't be, lol

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260. "Honestly it just felt like they tried to do too much, trying introduce....."
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too many new characters and putting in too many unnecessary scenes.

I'm a OG Star Wars fan, I literally grew up with the franchise. In the original trilogy and even in the prequel trilogy, the stories are mainly based around 3 or 4 main characters and their interactions with each other with other minor characters and the rest of the Star Wars universe in the background.

With the sequel trilogy they tried to merge the stories of the old characters and a whole new cast of characters and resulted in a lot of poor character development plus a lot of pointless WTF shit along with it.

I said after the TFA that I didn't really care to see senior citizen Han Solo and Leia. I grew up and wise-cracking bad ass Han Solo and seeing him as a feeble old man getting murked by his punk ass son just pissed me off. I grew up with young hot spirited Leia not some grumpy old woman.

So for the last Jedi they bring back grumpy old man Luke who spends much the film brooding and milking aliens and catching fish. Then you have Rey one of the new characters introduced who spends much of the film following Luke around. There a lot questions about her past none of which are answered. She spends most of the rest of her time dreaming that she's talking to Kylo Ren but apparently it was Snoke all along.

Kylo Ren is probably the wackest, saddest villain in the history of the franchise. He had no problem running his light saber through Han Solo in TFA but couldn't pull the trigger a ship with Leia on board(more on that bs sequence later) or kill Rey. In TFA he got whooped by Rey, a young ass girl with zero training and could barely handle goofy ass Finn(more on him later) but we're supposed believe he defeated Luke and killed all the other Jedi at the academy?

Then there's Poe aka the new Latino Han Solo in the new all-inclusive Star Wars universe, except he's literally the biggest fuckup in history. He disobey General Leia's orders and got the hold bomber fleet destroyed(how exactly do you "drop" bombs in space is another whole issue), then he thought it was a good idea to send Finn & Rose, 2 of the goofiest mf's on the ship on a secret mission to get the "codebreaker" and sneak on the first order's ship which was doomed from the start and only resulted in them bringing back a random dude that tipped off the bad guys and got even more Resistance peeps killed. Oh yeah their there's whole entire treasonous mutiny he pulled off because he threw a tantrum when the Vice admiral chick didn't tell him all the details of her plans and then afterwards it was like "oh that's ok Poe!"

You got the brother Finn going back forth between a complete buffoon, (the opening scene with him naked in the plastic suit with the water tubes coming out and him flailing around was totally useless) to going on pointless suicide missions only to be saved from himself by the chubby Asian chick. Too bad they killed her sister who seemed like real badass and probably would've been way more interesting.

Yeah then of course there's all the WTF shit like Leia being blown to smithereens on the ship with everybody else on the bridge(btw in later scenes the bridge appears to be magically fully repaired, droids I guess) yet some how she appears floating in space fully intact then awakens and Mary Poppins her way back on the ship. All the badass Jedis and Siths in these films and we've never seen anything like that by Leia who's not even a Jedi just "force sensitive".

Lupita as Maz Kanata is pointless as was the dumbass birds.

What did I like?

Purple hair vice admiral chick going out like a G even though it was fuckup Poe's fault that she had to do it.

I thought it was a joke the Snoke was this all-powerful mind reading master of the force but didn't know Kylo Ren was about to kill him but that still was a bad ass scene and the subsequent fight between Ren & Rey and Snoke's bodyguards was badass as well.

Luke's Jedi hologram trick at the end was pretty dope too. When he appeared to Leia before that apparently that was a hologram too because he never left the island. But didn't he give her Han Solo's golden dice? Not sure how that worked...

overall I felt like it had a lot of potential but could've been done at lot differently, with JJ Abrams taking back over for IX it will be interesting to see how he does...

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272. "people going down with the ship when there are droids and autopilot "
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I thought the saber battle in Snokes chamber was ok at best because it was just too uninspired.

It was the cliched "every far east martial arts weapon" scene from the Matrix revolutions at worst and Crouching Tiger at best

  

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273. "This sums up everything I felt about this film. Everything. "
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Then, there's the god awful plot holes. *smh*

...and the running time felt like the film was painfully long. If they were trying to pass the torch to a new gen of characters, they did a piss poor job at it by shitting on the legacy of the main characters of the star wars story.

I grew up on the original series also. And after seeing this, the child in me is heartbroken. lol

but seriously tho..... *smh*

  

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274. "Right. If you want to tell a new story "
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Just tell a new story.
Don't shit on the old ones, while lifting whole parts of the old ones at the same time

  

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247. "IMO if u like Star Wars lore it's not very good if u like the universe"
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it's great

  

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248. "fair assessment "
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254. "yep"
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i feel like the major appeal was always the universe though

the clone wars animated series is the best at the lore angle imho

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261. "People stay talking about these clone war episodes lol"
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263. "yeah I never really got into the cartoons"
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265. "it was good man"
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I enjoyed anakin in it more than the Episodes 1-3 lol

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269. "they're good man. I'm early in them, and yeah"
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they really open up the universe

  

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259. "Struggled to stay awake through the whole thing "
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Middle part was good

datall

I'm sure I've seen all of the films, being an admitted non-fanatic, it was hard for me to follow the story line

The franchise has jumped around from prequels to sequels, seemingly employing every actor in Hollywood along the way

I didn't feel connected to it at all

I can see why Hammel and Fisher haven't been in the follow ups

They're terrible actors

There was a moment during a fight scene where the entire theater erupted in laughter

Tell tale sign of a bad movie

Hated about 1.75 hours of this movie.

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266. "i went to one with the recliners"
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it was at least 3 people asleep in there and the first thing my mother-in-law said was "i could have taken a nap and not missed much"

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legsdiamond
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271. "I took my nieces and nephews"
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6 of them ranging from 16 to 30 and I think they all slept at some point in the film. I took a 5 minute power nap too.

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bwood
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276. "For all you smart dumb niggas who have problems..."
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...with how The Force is used (even though there's no set rules for it) my nigga Rian Johnson got something for you:

https://twitter.com/rianjohnson/status/954398403986731008?ref_src=twcamp%5Ecopy%7Ctwsrc%5Eandroid%7Ctwgr%5Ecopy%7Ctwcon%5E7090%7Ctwterm%5E0

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277. "RE: For all you smart dumb niggas who have problems..."
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>...with how The Force is used (even though there's no set
>rules for it) my nigga Rian Johnson got something for you:
>
>https://twitter.com/rianjohnson/status/954398403986731008?ref_src=twcamp%5Ecopy%7Ctwsrc%5Eandroid%7Ctwgr%5Ecopy%7Ctwcon%5E7090%7Ctwterm%5E0
>

Can you chill with the “my nigga Rian Johnson”?

How old are you, 12?

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278. "Haha... he really likes dudes work. "
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I still think it wasn’t nearly as good as the hype on here.

Rogue One this was not.

I was mad disappointed at the ending. Shit felt like the end of the 3rd Matrix.

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286. "Dog, he’s upping every thread"
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Fri Jan-19-18 03:13 PM by Stadiq

          

Trying to convince people they were wrong about
this movie.

It has officially gotten weird.



I still think it wasn’t nearly as good as the hype on here.
>
>
>Rogue One this was not.

No way- not even close. Disney is 1, maybe 1.5
out of 3 imo.

Rogue One was dope.


>
>I was mad disappointed at the ending. Shit felt like the end
>of the 3rd Matrix.

I feel like I read someone else compare this hot mess
of a movie to the Matrix sequels recently.

Thé comparaison is actually accurate as hell.

Some cool ideas, dope visuals, but overall an uneven
mess that doesn’t even come close to reaching
it’s potential.

Not to mention it’s originality and plot issues.


  

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bwood
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292. "And yet you in every thread"
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You in here making it weird.

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279. "RE: For all you smart dumb niggas who have problems..."
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No nigga.

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280. "if the director gotta explain the flick for like a month after release"
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safe to say he's done a shitty job making the world of the film consistent & clear, lol.

It's really interesting seeing the spin that the Disney machine is putting on the fan backlash to this one. I don't think I've ever seen a franchise tell fans of a film they were wrong for not liking it before, lol

  

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281. "he didn't explain anything. you mad and wrong."
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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283. "wrong spot"
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Fri Jan-19-18 02:38 PM by legsdiamond

          

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282. "yep"
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>safe to say he's done a shitty job making the world of the
>film consistent & clear, lol.
>
>It's really interesting seeing the spin that the Disney
>machine is putting on the fan backlash to this one. I don't
>think I've ever seen a franchise tell fans of a film they were
>wrong for not liking it before, lol

lol

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284. "bingo"
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285. "these conversations >>> the movie."
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287. "LOL. y'all are so mad that you were wrong about how the force works"
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that now finding out that you were wrong is an example of someone other than y'all messed up.

this is some trump voter shit.

you'll double down for the rest of your life on your bad decision, LOLL

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288. "It's not even worth the argument at this point."
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Certain fans are impossible.

It must be frustrating as shit to be a creative, craft a new and compelling Star Wars story with the help of constant insight and input from countless people actually involved in creating the original Star Wars universe, and *still* have fans from the outside go "this isn't how Star Wars works."

Luckily for Rian, it's a Top 10 movie of all time worldwide with a CinemaScore of A, so these loud-ass internet voices are the obvious big-time minority.

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291. "It's ok if people don't like it."
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People didn't like Godfather part 3 or Matrix 2 and 3 or Star Wars with Jar Jar. Plus it's not just fans on the outside. Disney messed up twice trying to defend it just makes it worse.

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293. "^^^^^^^^^^^^^"
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Can't wait for his new Star Wars trilogy. Heads will explode.

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290. "Think you replied in the wrong spot. As an avid movie fan"
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I was expecting to be entertained

I was not

The idea that all and any facets of a sci-fi movie can be debated on merits

Is much more entertaining than this actual movie

and also reinforces the point some are trying to make

i.e. If you have to post references to defend a creative decision, it wasn't executed right.

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294. "it's to the above replies in total."
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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289. "basically lol..."
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>safe to say he's done a shitty job making the world of the
>film consistent & clear, lol.
>
>It's really interesting seeing the spin that the Disney
>machine is putting on the fan backlash to this one. I don't
>think I've ever seen a franchise tell fans of a film they were
>wrong for not liking it before, lol

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