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_explain555
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"Poll question: Election Recount in WI/PA/MI Fundraising Link - Over 4M raised already"


          


https://jillstein.nationbuilder.com/recount


*Wisconsin recount filing fees 1.1M, deadline Nov.25. They goin for it

*Pennsylvania recount filing fees O.5M, deadline Nov.28

*Michigan recount filing fees 0.6M, deadline Nov. 30


ionno man. i mean the mfucka did only win MI by a little over 10k..

what say yall?

Poll result (15 votes)
worth it. (6 votes)Vote
smh man, dude won. a L is a L (9 votes)Vote
trump nation mothafuckaz! (0 votes)Vote

  

  

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that's 4 million that could go to real causes and not jill stein publici...
Nov 24th 2016
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I dropped on it. The computer scientists
Nov 24th 2016
2
Fools and their money
Nov 24th 2016
3
Federal court strikes down Wisconsin redistricting as unfairly favorable...
Nov 24th 2016
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How Is This Going To Change The Electoral Count?
Nov 24th 2016
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The electoral count is determined by the popular vote,
Nov 25th 2016
7
*rolls eyes*
Nov 25th 2016
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ionno man. peeps done donated more for this than her presidential campai...
Nov 25th 2016
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      that's because it's Dems donating
Nov 25th 2016
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could WI gerrymandering ruling affect PA
Nov 25th 2016
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If Jill Stein didn't run
Nov 25th 2016
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not quite. Hillary loses will Jill's votes.
Nov 25th 2016
12
so um where is Hillary?
Nov 25th 2016
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its gotta be cuz of optics. she already conceded plus talked all kinda s...
Nov 25th 2016
14
edit
Nov 25th 2016
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i'm cool with this. not because it'll change the results of this past el...
Nov 25th 2016
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This isn't going to improve a thing
Nov 25th 2016
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Even if the recount flipped two of the three states to Clinton
Nov 25th 2016
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It's a bad look for the DNC to try this to win
Nov 25th 2016
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      It is, but fuck a look right now. I would take it if it worked.
Nov 25th 2016
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      (It won't tho)
Nov 25th 2016
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      over half the voters would take it if it worked... lol
Nov 25th 2016
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      They can't win; the country would tear apart. Its long game tho
Nov 25th 2016
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This is ridiculous.....
Nov 25th 2016
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everything about this election is an exercise in cognitive dissonance.
Nov 25th 2016
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Yup... the arrogance was/is astounding.
Nov 25th 2016
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I'd see this argument if she actually lost the popular vote, tho.
Nov 25th 2016
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      Popular vote doesn't mean shit
Nov 25th 2016
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      She was going for 270 EVs, not the popular vote.
Nov 25th 2016
31
plus the same DNC suppressed their own voters
Nov 25th 2016
28
Stein University
Nov 25th 2016
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You're saying she's a fraud?
Nov 29th 2016
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Im interested, I guess. But I need this to not be bullshit.
Nov 26th 2016
32
A lot of folks really can't accept the Hidden Trump vote comcept.
Nov 26th 2016
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      It's still the economy stupid
Nov 26th 2016
34
The Election was Stolen – Here’s How…
Nov 26th 2016
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^^ what i been saying. Rigged since 2000/voting rights repeal
Nov 26th 2016
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Why didn't this work with Obama?
Nov 26th 2016
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I think Obeezy had undeniable numbers even if his votes under reported
Nov 26th 2016
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When did the Dems ever have a backbone ?
Nov 26th 2016
41
If trump won popular but lost electoral, truthers/birthers/bundys wld be...
Nov 26th 2016
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Yep
Nov 26th 2016
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You can't rig a blow out, you can only rig a close game
Nov 26th 2016
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      Dems thought it would be a blowout
Nov 26th 2016
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True Indeed
Nov 26th 2016
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sadly it feels like the Democratic primary was like this a bit too...
Nov 26th 2016
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And
Nov 26th 2016
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Hilldawgs team is all in if there is a recount
Nov 26th 2016
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Roberts Gutted the Voting Rights Act. Jeff Sessions is Poised to Finish ...
Nov 29th 2016
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Unfortunately I have heard too many people who just didn't vote
Nov 29th 2016
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      i voted for hillary. i wish she had won.
Nov 29th 2016
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           all.of.this.
Nov 30th 2016
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rob
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1. "that's 4 million that could go to real causes and not jill stein publici..."
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2. "I dropped on it. The computer scientists"
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who are pushing for an independent review based on their findings make it even more worthwhile. People like me who want to indulge this scenario should also be aware that the House would select the new president in the really unlikely event this worked because they wouldn't certify results with her. Or something like that.

  

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3. "Fools and their money "
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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_explain555
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4. "Federal court strikes down Wisconsin redistricting as unfairly favorable..."
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/us/wisconsin-redistricting-found-to-unfairly-favor-republicans.html

  

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Dj Joey Joe
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5. "How Is This Going To Change The Electoral Count?"
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Cause it's already known that trump loss by a few million votes, but he won the electoral college by over 50 votes, re-counting people's votes won't matter in this situation.


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stravinskian
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7. "The electoral count is determined by the popular vote,"
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just on a state by state basis.

So the idea is, if the results in Michigan, Wisconsin, AND Pennsylvania turn out to be wrong, that would be enough to turn the electoral vote.

It's a ridiculous level of wishful thinking, though.

  

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stravinskian
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6. "*rolls eyes*"
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There's no evidence of errors in the count. Even these "computer scientists" don't claim any evidence.

Whatever variance they come up with in these recounts will be dwarfed by the number of votes Jill herself took from Clinton.

Jill could have actually changed a state by pulling out of Michigan.

But if she really believed there was no difference between the parties, as she said repeatedly, then there's no reason for her to care.

Jill is a lot like Trump, in that their central goal in politics is to stroke their own egos.

  

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_explain555
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9. "ionno man. peeps done donated more for this than her presidential campai..."
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its obviously folks out there that want this


plus this gerrymandering lawsuit..

lol shit could get kinda interesting for donny t yo

imma pop some popcorn


  

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legsdiamond
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11. "that's because it's Dems donating "
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Jill is doing the dirty work for the DNC.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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_explain555
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8. "could WI gerrymandering ruling affect PA"
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http://www.newsworks.org/index.php/local/off-mic/99177-could-wisconsin-gerrymandering-decision-affect-pa

  

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10. "If Jill Stein didn't run"
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The sad or funny part of this is if Stein hadn't run, Hillary probably gets those votes and wins these states

  

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12. "not quite. Hillary loses will Jill's votes."
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She needed Gary Johnson's votes but those are primarily Republicans anyway.

She shouldnhave not lost 9% of Democrats to Trump and she would have had it.

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13. "so um where is Hillary?"
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Why aint she out here fighting for her own Presidency? Or out front on issues kike #DAPL? She don't have millions left from her campaign to fund the recount? All these people out here trying to undo a Trump presidency EXCEPT HER.

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14. "its gotta be cuz of optics. she already conceded plus talked all kinda s..."
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bout acceptin election results

they prolly involved behind da scenes


maybe even cut a deal wit Stein
like sprinkle some green party folk in da cabinet or some shit

cuz they goin after da exact number electoral votes that would tip hilldawg over 270

aint nothin in it for Stein off that alone

  

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15. "edit"
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Fri Nov-25-16 12:33 PM by rdhull

  

          

edit

  

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16. "i'm cool with this. not because it'll change the results of this past el..."
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but anything involving reform is a good thing. we gotta improve the process.

  

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18. "This isn't going to improve a thing"
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Every election has irregularities... just win the damn election.

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17. "Even if the recount flipped two of the three states to Clinton"
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(which is a long shot) that would just mean neither candidate reached 270.

And if neither candidate reaches 270, that means congress gets to pick from the top 3 candidates. And since the Republicans control congress they'll just pick Trump's ass anyway.

I'm all for the recount, because I'm desperate, but the L is locked in for us.

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19. "It's a bad look for the DNC to try this to win"
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20. "It is, but fuck a look right now. I would take it if it worked."
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You know it's drama, but it sound real good.

  

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21. "(It won't tho)"
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You know it's drama, but it sound real good.

  

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legsdiamond
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24. "over half the voters would take it if it worked... lol"
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26. "They can't win; the country would tear apart. Its long game tho"
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1)Voter fraud's been the big republican rallying cry for the past 20 years

2)Electoral college has burned them twice.

Starting with the midterms they could use it as a platform to attack gerrymandering (this is how the repubs stole Michigan!) and the college (your vote doesn't really count)

Im all for it. Honestly Im all for harassment, annoyance, etc...of trump and co. Obama had to deal with being a muslim terrorist working for Al Queda, let Trump deal with his own "Not fit to be president" issues.

Pile it on.

  

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22. "This is ridiculous....."
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Fri Nov-25-16 01:50 PM by blueeclipse

  

          

Maybe they should have spent this time and effort in the region on not losing these votes in the fuckin first place and working together to take Trump out. You can't tell arrogant people that a worse case scenario is likely and expect them to do shit about it. Sometimes they have to fail to see the shit for what it is. This is the opposite of that. It's a horrible look and the focus should be on getting the right people in charge and moving FORWARD.

  

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23. "everything about this election is an exercise in cognitive dissonance. "
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25. "Yup... the arrogance was/is astounding. "
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They still believe it was the voters fault and not their arrogance and ignorance.

Also wreaks of entitlement.

Lose with a little bit of dignity.

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27. "I'd see this argument if she actually lost the popular vote, tho."
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30. "Popular vote doesn't mean shit"
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31. "She was going for 270 EVs, not the popular vote."
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The belief among a lot of people before the election was that he might win the popular vote and she'd win the EC. The fact that she won the popular vote is almost incidental to what she was trying to do.

  

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28. "plus the same DNC suppressed their own voters"
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and stopped exit polling to hide their own tactics. Now for them to come out challenging the vote would open up the conversation for their vurrent lawsuit and investigation. Whole thing has been a mess.

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29. "Stein University"
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50. "You're saying she's a fraud?"
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"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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32. "Im interested, I guess. But I need this to not be bullshit. "
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Right now it's basically a couple smart guys somewhere said that they don't know what, but they think something might have happened...oh, and Russians. I need more evidence at this point. I guess maybe a recount could provide that?

It all just feels like some kind of political theater bullshit at this point, though.



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33. "A lot of folks really can't accept the Hidden Trump vote comcept."
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Many fought against it before the election and are now trying to think of anything they can after it to explain how he won the Rust Belt.

When Trump was talking about the election being rigged, Obama himself was mocking the idea that that was even possible, and all but the most rabid Trump supporters agreed, until after he won.

  

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34. "It's still the economy stupid"
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http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN13K12X


David Betras could see trouble coming.

The Democratic Party chairman in Youngstown, Ohio, wrote to Hillary Clinton's advisers in May warning she needed to put a jobs-focused message at the heart of her White House campaign or else watch blue-collar voters in states like Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania slip away to Republican Donald Trump.

Clinton never responded to Betras, and in the final weeks of her campaign she spent much of her time portraying Trump as unfit, rather than highlighting her economic plans. On Nov. 8, Election Day, Betras' warning proved prescient - she lost Ohio and Pennsylvania and, on Wednesday, Michigan, too, based on the latest unofficial ballot counts.

The surprising upset by Trump, a wealthy businessman who made his promises to renegotiate trade deals and restore jobs a centerpiece of his agenda, was fueled in part by support from white working-class voters in those vital Rust Belt states and elsewhere.

After the disastrous election losses at the state and national level, Betras and other Rust Belt Democrats who have found success in blue-collar districts have some advice for their anxious party: the key to recapturing those voters is not a broad change in policy, but a new commitment to listen and act on their economic concerns, and to show Democrats care...


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35. "The Election was Stolen – Here’s How…"
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http://www.gregpalast.com/election-stolen-heres/

The Election was Stolen – Here’s How…

Friday, November 11, 2016
Before a single vote was cast, the election was fixed by GOP and Trump operatives.

Starting in 2013 – just as the Supreme Court gutted the Voting Rights Act – a coterie of Trump operatives, under the direction of Kris Kobach, Kansas Secretary of State, created a system to purge 1.1 million Americans of color from the voter rolls of GOP–controlled states.

The system, called Crosscheck, is detailed in my Rolling Stone report,
“The GOP’s Stealth War on Voters,” 8/24/2016.

Crosscheck in action:
Trump victory margin in Michigan: 13,107
Michigan Crosscheck purge list: 449,922

Trump victory margin in Arizona: 85,257
Arizona Crosscheck purge list: 270,824

Trump victory margin in North Carolina: 177,008
North Carolina Crosscheck purge list: 589,393

On Tuesday, we saw Crosscheck elect a Republican Senate and as President, Donald Trump. The electoral putsch was aided by nine other methods of attacking the right to vote of Black, Latino and Asian-American voters, methods detailed in my book and film, including “Caging,” “purging,” blocking legitimate registrations, and wrongly shunting millions to “provisional” ballots that will never be counted.

Trump signaled the use of “Crosscheck” when he claimed the election is “rigged” because “people are voting many, many times.” His operative Kobach, who also advised Trump on building a wall on the southern border, devised a list of 7.2 million “potential” double voters—1.1 million of which were removed from the voter rolls by Tuesday. The list is loaded overwhelmingly with voters of color and the poor. Here's a sample of the list

Those accused of criminal double voting include, for example, Donald Alexander Webster Jr. of Ohio who is accused of voting a second time in Virginia as Donald EUGENE Webster SR.

Note: Watch the four-minute video summary of Crosscheck. The investigation and explanation of these methods of fixing the vote can be found in my book and film, The Best Democracy Money Can Buy: a Tale of Billionaires & Ballot Bandits (2016).

No, not everyone on the list loses their vote. But this was not the only racially poisonous tactic that accounted for this purloined victory by Trump and GOP candidates.

For example, in the swing state of North Carolina, it was reported that 6,700 Black folk lost their registrations because their registrations had been challenged by a group called Voter Integrity Project (VIP). VIP sent letters to households in Black communities “do not forward.” If the voter had moved within the same building, or somehow did not get their mail (e.g. if their name was not on a mail box), they were challenged as “ghost” voters. GOP voting officials happily complied with VIP with instant cancellation of registrations.

The 6,700 identified in two counties were returned to the rolls through a lawsuit. However, there was not one mention in the press that VIP was also behind Crosscheck in North Carolina; nor that its leader, Col. Jay Delancy, whom I’ve tracked for years has previously used this vote thievery, known as “caging,” for years. Doubtless the caging game was wider and deeper than reported. And by the way, caging, as my Rolling Stone co-author, attorney Robert F. Kennedy Jr., tells me, is “a felony, it’s illegal, and punishable by high fines and even jail time.”

There is still much investigation to do. For example, there are millions of “provisional” ballots, “spoiled” (invalidated) ballots and ballots rejected from the approximately 30 million mailed in. Unlike reporting in Britain, US media does not report the ballots that are rejected and tossed out—because, after all, as Joe Biden says, “Our elections are the envy of the world.” Only in Kazakhstan, Joe.

While there is a great deal of work to do, much documentation still to analyze, we’ll have to pry it from partisan voting chiefs who stamp the scrub lists, Crosscheck lists and ballot records, “confidential.”

But, the evidence already in our hands makes me sadly confident in saying, Jim Crow, not the voters, elected Mr. Trump.

What about those exit polls?

Exit polls are the standard by which the US State Department measures the honesty of foreign elections. Exit polling is, historically, deadly accurate. The bane of pre-election polling is that pollsters must adjust for the likelihood of a person voting. Exit polls solve the problem.

But three times in US history, pollsters have had to publicly flagellate themselves for their “errors.” In 2000, exit polls gave Al Gore the win in Florida; in 2004, exit polls gave Kerry the win in Ohio, and now, in swing states, exit polls gave the presidency to Hillary Clinton.

So how could these multi-million-dollar Ph.d-directed statisticians with decades of experience get exit polls so wrong?

Answer: they didn’t. The polls in Florida in 2000 were accurate. That’s because exit pollsters can only ask, “How did you vote?” What they don’t ask, and can’t, is, “Was your vote counted.”

In 2000, in Florida, GOP Secretary of State Katherine Harris officially rejected 181,173 ballots, as “spoiled” because their chads were hung and other nonsense excuses. Those ballots overwhelmingly were marked for Al Gore. The exit polls included those 181,173 people who thought they had voted – but their vote didn’t count. In other words, the exit polls accurately reflected whom the voters chose, not what Katherine Harris chose.

In 2004, a similar number of votes were invalidated (including an enormous pile of “provisional” ballots) by Ohio’s GOP Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell. Again, the polls reflected that Kerry was the choice of 51% of the voters. But the exit polls were “wrong” because they didn’t reflect the ballots invalidated by Blackwell.

Notably, two weeks after the 2004 US election, the US State Department refused the recognize the Ukraine election results because the official polls contradicted the exit polls.

And here we go again. 2016: Hillary wins among those queried as they exit the polling station—yet Trump is declared winner in GOP-controlled swings states. And, once again, the expert pollsters are forced to apologize—when they should be screaming, “Fraud! Here’s the evidence the vote was fixed!”

Now there’s a new trope to explain away the exit polls that gave Clinton the win. Supposedly, Trump voters were ashamed to say they voted for Trump. Really? ON WHAT PLANET? For Democracy Now! and Rolling Stone I was out in several swing states. In Ohio, yes, a Black voter may have been reluctant to state support for Trump. But a white voter in the exurbs of Dayton, where the Trump signs grew on lawns like weeds, and the pews of the evangelical mega churches were slathered with Trump and GOP brochures, risked getting spat on if they even whispered, “Hillary.”

This country is violently divided, but in the end, there simply aren’t enough white guys to elect Trump nor a Republican Senate. The only way they could win was to eliminate the votes of non-white guys—and they did so by tossing Black provisional ballots into the dumpster, ID laws that turn away students—the list goes on. It’s a web of complex obstacles to voting by citizens of color topped by that lying spider, Crosscheck.

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36. "^^ what i been saying. Rigged since 2000/voting rights repeal"
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And these clowns on the left know it's going on and don't care/can't figure out how to fight it




Same with the Gerrymandering that everyone is clearly aware of,comes up every election,and the dems look and say 'shame what they doing to those ppl' and then go back to $12,000 plate fundraiser dinners




The country ideologically split half &half yet these dudes get bullied out of every branch of Fed govt and like 2/3rds state govts



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38. "Why didn't this work with Obama? "
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I agree that gerrymandering is some cheat code racist bullshit but why aren't Dems doing anything about it? Is it because they want to do the same thing when they win?

Also wonder how Clinton would concede if they knew this was being used.

Is this something that has gone on so long it's just shrugged off?

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39. "I think Obeezy had undeniable numbers even if his votes under reported "
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The Democrats have been weak as fuck on this stuff though.

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41. "When did the Dems ever have a backbone ?"
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>I agree that gerrymandering is some cheat code racist
>bullshit but why aren't Dems doing anything about it? Is it
>because they want to do the same thing when they win?
>

No it's because they are spinless

>Also wonder how Clinton would concede if they knew this was
>being used.
>
>Is this something that has gone on so long it's just shrugged
>off?

Dems are not going to fight anything.

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44. "If trump won popular but lost electoral, truthers/birthers/bundys wld be..."
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Parked outside the white house wit flags trucks and a media spokesman

And gop Congress would be branding Hill illegitimate, "minority president", no mandate, etc


And yet half the dems talking about lets give Mr t a chance


>I agree that gerrymandering is some cheat code racist
>bullshit but why aren't Dems doing anything about it? Is it
>because they want to do the same thing when they win?


When they do win, they don't even have strategy in place to get a head start on the next race, or how to leverage into turning neighboring districts blue.

It's like when the good guy/ superman got all these rules for battle, and the bad guy got one rule- win win win at all costs. Nothing else matters. See- Romney and Cruz now trying to get in where they fit in in trumps cabinet



>
>Also wonder how Clinton would concede if they knew this was
>being used.
>
>Is this something that has gone on so long it's just shrugged
>off?

Gore bailed in 2000 as well. They chump out I guess cuz of the bad optics, and too arrogant to realize how much worse it looks & long term impact when the ppl see u won't Even fight for them or yourself. NC gov lost and abt to redo the whole thing



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45. "Yep "
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>Parked outside the white house wit flags trucks and a media
>spokesman
>
> And gop Congress would be branding Hill illegitimate,
>"minority president", no mandate, etc
>
>
>And yet half the dems talking about lets give Mr t a chance
>
>
>>I agree that gerrymandering is some cheat code racist
>>bullshit but why aren't Dems doing anything about it? Is it
>>because they want to do the same thing when they win?
>
>
>When they do win, they don't even have strategy in place to
>get a head start on the next race, or how to leverage into
>turning neighboring districts blue.
>
>It's like when the good guy/ superman got all these rules for
>battle, and the bad guy got one rule- win win win at all
>costs. Nothing else matters. See- Romney and Cruz now trying
>to get in where they fit in in trumps cabinet
>
>
>
>>
>>Also wonder how Clinton would concede if they knew this was
>>being used.
>>
>>Is this something that has gone on so long it's just
>shrugged
>>off?
>
>Gore bailed in 2000 as well. They chump out I guess cuz of the
>bad optics, and too arrogant to realize how much worse it
>looks & long term impact when the ppl see u won't Even fight
>for them or yourself. NC gov lost and abt to redo the whole
>thing


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ all that

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46. "You can't rig a blow out, you can only rig a close game"
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stuff like this isn't going to help if one candidate wins a landslide.

  

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47. "Dems thought it would be a blowout"
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I doubt they even had people in place to fight legitimate complaints.

Had the nerve to scoff and demand Trump accept the results if he lost. This shit looks terrible. Even if the beef is legit Dems pretty much let Trump and company purge voters from the rolls and didn't give a fuck because they thought they had it in the bag.

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40. "True Indeed"
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>And these clowns on the left know it's going on and don't
>care/can't figure out how to fight it
>
>
>
>
>Same with the Gerrymandering that everyone is clearly aware
>of,comes up every election,and the dems look and say 'shame
>what they doing to those ppl' and then go back to $12,000
>plate fundraiser dinners
>
>
>
>
>The country ideologically split half &half yet these dudes get
>bullied out of every branch of Fed govt and like 2/3rds state
>govts


Dems cave everytime

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37. "sadly it feels like the Democratic primary was like this a bit too..."
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I'm just now sure how this theatrical vote recount will address these issues. If it does reveal any kind of hacking or nonsense,hopefully it triggers a much larger reform and overhaul of our current system. 100% we need to have easily audited voting and improved access for any eligible voter who wants to cast a ballot, though. Fuck, I'd like to see all felons have the right to vote too. But yeah.... I'm about to get off track.

The gerrymandering that took place during the early Bush years has fucked local and state elections across the country for the last 15 years.


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43. "And "
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>I'm just now sure how this theatrical vote recount will
>address these issues. If it does reveal any kind of hacking
>or nonsense,hopefully it triggers a much larger reform and
>overhaul of our current system. 100% we need to have easily
>audited voting and improved access for any eligible voter who
>wants to cast a ballot, though. Fuck, I'd like to see all
>felons have the right to vote too. But yeah.... I'm about to
>get off track.
>
>The gerrymandering that took place during the early Bush years
>has fucked local and state elections across the country for
>the last 15 years.
>
>
>


in 2020 the gerrymandering will be reninforced.

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42. "Hilldawgs team is all in if there is a recount"
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http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-11-26/clinton-campaign-will-participate-in-stein-s-state-recounts

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48. "Roberts Gutted the Voting Rights Act. Jeff Sessions is Poised to Finish ..."
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US is the shining light of democracy, or naw


http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2016/11/voting-rights-act-whats-to-come-jeff-sessions-trump

"Shelby” is Shelby County v. Holder, the June 2013 Supreme Court decision that struck down a key provision of 1965 Voting Rights Act used to determine which voting jurisdictions would have to pre-clear any changes to voting procedures or laws with the US Department of Justice or a federal court. Without it, nine states and parts of six others with a history of racial discrimination related to voting were allowed to make changes as they saw fit. "The election, at least for communities of color, started in June 2013,” Simpson says. "The Shelby decision is when this election began for people of color.”


In all, 14 states had new voting laws on the books for the first time in a presidential election, ranging from strict voter ID to curtailed early voting locations, according to the Brennan Center. The impact of those new laws on the outcome of the election is unclear, but Richard Hasen, an election law expert at the University of California-Irvine, says that the problems they created for voters is obvious to anybody paying attention.

"Even if these restrictions had no outcome on the election, it's fundamentally immoral to keep people from voting in a democracy."
"This election, compared to the 2012 election, featured more people who had greater difficulty registering and voting thanks to a series of laws passed by Republican legislatures in the last few years,” Hasen says. The true impact of the laws still needs to be studied, but "there’s no question that some people were disenfranchised by laws that seemed unnecessary to serve any real, legitimate purpose.”

Shelby is just part of the story, Hasen adds. The current state of play for voting rights was also forged in 2008, after the Supreme Court ruled in favor of voter ID in Crawford v. Marion County Election Board. In that case, a group challenged a 2005 Indiana voter ID law, but the Supreme Court ruled three years later that any inconvenience to Indiana voters did not outweigh the state's interest in preventing voter fraud.

Even without detailed turnout and disenfranchisement data on the 2016 election, some things are already clear. As reported by the Nation's Ari Berman, 300,000 voters in Wisconsin lacked the recently required strict form of voter ID and voter turnout in the state was at its lowest level in 20 years. "Even if these restrictions had no outcome on the election, it's fundamentally immoral to keep people from voting in a democracy," he wrote.

Then there are the nearly 6 million people across the US barred from voting due to prior felony convictions, according to an estimate by the Sentencing Project, a criminal justice reform group. And a November 2016 study by the Leadership Conference Education Fund—part of the Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights—found that at least 868 polling places had been closed in counties across seven states previously covered by Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act. And that was just the voting sites for which they could find reliable data.



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49. "Unfortunately I have heard too many people who just didn't vote"
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I know people who voted for everything but President due to their hatred of both candidates.

Just an awful election with 2 awful candidates

Dems are also some spineless POS. No fight, way too nice. When Elizabeth Warren is an attack dog on the trail you know shit is weak.

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51. "i voted for hillary. i wish she had won."
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but it's disgusting to watch people keep harping on an (out in the open) right wing conspiracy to gut civil rights

1) when the blue dogs were FULLY on board with this bullshit back in her super predator days, and you can't just take back the generational fuckery that was perpetrated with "moderate" democrat complicity in the 80s/90s

2) when this issue has been out there for the dems to fight for years, and is only a priority now that they can't win.

3) when it's not even the biggest reason they lost this election.

4) when the dems avoided championing their positions when they actually had the votes in 2010 and ceded the national debate and the eventual gerrymandering to the anti-obama/tea party bullshit. just like they avoided in this election, preferring to run against trump instead of for their vision.

5) when they're still on this bullshit when it's happened and over. instead of focusing on what does matter for civil rights moving forward, there's this goddamn hodgepodge of recounts/faithless electors/popular vote/voter rights. time to focus on not letting the republicans fuck up governance and on winning the next elections.

and shame on jill stein for being on this shit and taking attention away from THE ONE THING she was right about with standing rock.

(and hey, democrats, maybe you were a bit too hasty with the criticism of bernie supporters who had a hard time letting go)

  

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52. "all.of.this."
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I voted for her as well. Didn't want to but since I live in NC i couldn't bring myself to do a protest vote.

Now I'm reading about how Hillary had no chance, she couldn't win rural votes so why bother trying..


Oh, so now she had no shot but before the election everyone was demanding Trump accept the results.

Just move on and find some fighters in the Dem party and stop trotting out the same old ass names.

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