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"2 fans dressed up as Obama in a noose for the Wisconsin football game."


  

          

https://thinkprogress.org/2-fans-dressed-up-as-obama-in-a-noose-for-the-wisconsin-football-game-they-were-allowed-to-stay-895625d224d#.nqivz6kiq

School officials denounced the costume but said it was “free speech.”

wo fans at Saturday night’s University of Wisconsin football game wore a costume featuring President Obama in a noose, with Donald Trump holding the rope.
One of the pair sported an Obama mask and had a noose around their neck. They also had a Hillary Clinton mask. The other person wore a Trump mask and held the noose to give the appearance Trump was hanging either Obama or Clinton.


University officials became aware of the costume and asked the pair to remove the offensive parts of it.

But the two weren’t kicked out of the game. As university officials repeatedly explained on Twitter, they were allowed to stay because officials viewed the costume as “free speech.”
The University of Wisconsin later released a statement denouncing the costume as “counter to the values of the University and athletic department,” but reiterating that it constituted “an exercise of the individual’s right to free speech.”
Tinker v. Des Moines established that in order to justify the suppression of speech, a public school must be able to show that the speech in question would “materially and substantially interfere” with the learning environment. “Hate speech” — speech that offends, threatens, or insults groups, based on race, color, religion, national origin, sexual orientation, disability, or other traits, as the American Bar Association puts it — isn’t addressed by the Constitution, but is usually understood to be protected speech.
As Michael Herz, co-director of the Floersheimer Center for Constitutional Democracy at Cardozo Law, told Politifact last year, “the overwhelming understanding is that ‘hate speech’ is constitutionally protected in the United States… Indeed, that protection makes this country different from most other countries in the world.”




  

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funny to think these are the peole whose society we die to be a part of
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same kinda crackers who r offended that Kaepernick kneels during anthem
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^^
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That's EXACTLY where their "free speech" argument comes from.
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yep. or pretended that the Tea Party was a populist revolt about taxatio...
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gotta love the 1st Amendment.
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college football in flyover country..
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Actually, Madison tends to be liberal
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if only it were just 2
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If you want to make generalities about Madison
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      Statistics and history books do all the talking.
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           sources?
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           75% of whites have no social interaction with blacks outside of work
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                sources?
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                     I'm going to have to challenge you folks to search them out on your own
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                     Atillah won't be satisfied until they're all dead
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                          white individuals are fine but their society is anathema to black folks
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                               k.
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                                    k.
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           I live in Madison, wtf do you know about it
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           more than a few. See the above stats.
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           Isn't Milwaukee one of the most segregated cities in America?
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           it really isn't
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Liberal and racist
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      People think it's impossible to be liberal and racist
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           Some right in this thread
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           Right, but then think they can't possibly be racist because they're libe...
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Wisconsin has generally been a bastion of prog thought for >100 years
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classy
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it is free speech. I will make a line and let them
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but let it have been another SITTING president
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That's not free speech, it's hate speech.
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Hate speech has always been acceptable in America
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True
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and yet it's still free speech
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AA's are seen as a powerless joke in America, WISC football
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Nah. They trying to go pro
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      Its so easy to tell someone else to go on strike
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20 Black athletes at Wisconsin cite racial bias, demand change
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Atillah Moor
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1. "funny to think these are the peole whose society we die to be a part of"
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2. "."
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3. "same kinda crackers who r offended that Kaepernick kneels during anthem"
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4. "^^"
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5. "That's EXACTLY where their "free speech" argument comes from. "
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Smmfh

  

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9. "yep. or pretended that the Tea Party was a populist revolt about taxatio..."
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6. "gotta love the 1st Amendment."
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for real though. it's pretty neat.

fuck you.

  

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7. "college football in flyover country.."
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such a progressive subculture in this country

  

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8. "Actually, Madison tends to be liberal"
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This was in very poor taste, but two idiots don't define a city

<-Fear Ameer

  

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Atillah Moor
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11. "if only it were just 2"
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12. "If you want to make generalities about Madison"
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they are a bunch of drunks, nobody does beer consumption like Wisconsin

<-Fear Ameer

  

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Atillah Moor
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14. "Statistics and history books do all the talking. "
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The issue isn't really up for debate

  

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15. "sources?"
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<-Fear Ameer

  

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17. "75% of whites have no social interaction with blacks outside of work"
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if at all

40% believe black men to be naturally violent

combining that with the myriad facts presented by the historic record can allow one to say with certainty that most whites are racists.

So even though two kids were openly dressed liked that many more were in similar attire withing their hearts and minds.

  

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19. "sources?"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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20. "I'm going to have to challenge you folks to search them out on your own"
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they are here on the forums and on the web at large. I've posted them on at least three occasions and if one is doubting those despite what their eyes behold then I doubt providing them will make any difference.

  

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21. "Atillah won't be satisfied until they're all dead"
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or we've all emigrated to a place where there are none of them.

pay him no mind.

fuck you.

  

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22. "white individuals are fine but their society is anathema to black folks"
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I'll be satisfied when the majority are honest about their country and culture.

  

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23. "k."
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fuck you.

  

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25. "k."
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I'd even settle for half

  

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16. "I live in Madison, wtf do you know about it"
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there are a few racists like literally everywhere else in the country, but Madison and Milwaukee alone are the reason WI is a blue leaning state.

Now if we're talking about the rest of the state outside of those cities...yeah for the most part it's a bunch of racist hick fucks. Can't dispute that.

  

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18. "more than a few. See the above stats. "
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28. "Isn't Milwaukee one of the most segregated cities in America?"
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Atillah isn't saying white people dont vote Dem. he is saying 75% of white people dont chill with black folk outside of work.

Most churches are still segregated.

As far as how racist they are? Not sure about it but if you don't have real friendships and interact with Black folk until you are forced/paid to more than likely your opinion will be skewed by TV/News/Stereotypes.

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34. "it really isn't"
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13. "Liberal and racist"
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According to this professor.

http://www.progressive.org/news/2016/05/188723/why-progressive-college-town-so-racist


>This was in very poor taste, but two idiots don't define a
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30. "People think it's impossible to be liberal and racist"
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There are also gay republicans...

We also saw a lot of racism by liberals during Obama's race with Hillary. Plenty of liberals were calling him a Kenyan Muslim before he beat Hillary.

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33. "Some right in this thread"
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>There are also gay republicans...

The Log cabin Republicans

>We also saw a lot of racism by liberals during Obama's race
>with Hillary. Plenty of liberals were calling him a Kenyan
>Muslim before he beat Hillary.

True even in the Democrat party Ferraro and Biden.

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38. "Right, but then think they can't possibly be racist because they're libe..."
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It's almost worse, but at least more polite.

  

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40. "Wisconsin has generally been a bastion of prog thought for >100 years"
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But why read when you can post?

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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10. "classy"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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24. "it is free speech. I will make a line and let them "
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to the front. Same way I feel about the public service Trump is performing.

Allow all these racists, misogynistic bigots feel comfortable being public.

Let them speak their mind.
Go on record.
Get photographed with holding a hateful sign.
Cheering to some hateful line Trump has said.'
Apologizing for sexual assault

Let them hang (pun unintended, or is it?!) themselves because they won't be able to walk themselves back from this shit

All Trump is doing is allowing them to be public about the shit they were private about previously.

And in some cases, these people are sitting in juries, in police cars, at the head of classrooms, or supervisors And when minorities would point out their shit, we're made out to be paranoid and baiters.

Please give these fools the space and spotlight to be foolish

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26. "but let it have been another SITTING president"
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27. "That's not free speech, it's hate speech."
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29. "Hate speech has always been acceptable in America "
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especially the type directed towards black people

  

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32. "True"
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31. "and yet it's still free speech"
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now if you want to argue that their ticket/attendance in the stadium shouldn't be allow under a fan conduct policy then that is a different story

happiness is a mediocre standard for a middle class existence - S. Williams

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35. "AA's are seen as a powerless joke in America, WISC football"
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team should go on strike until those 2 are expelled.


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36. "Nah. They trying to go pro"
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No time to sacrifice careers.

  

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37. "Its so easy to tell someone else to go on strike"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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39. "20 Black athletes at Wisconsin cite racial bias, demand change"
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http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/17997039/wisconsin-badgers-players-cite-racial-bias-demand-change

Nigel Hayes writes letter on twitter
https://mobile.twitter.com/NIGEL_HAYES/status/795795295795875840

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