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imcvspl
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"What's worse: over sexualizing or skinlightening? "
Fri Oct-21-16 12:11 PM by imcvspl

  

          

http://io9.gizmodo.com/marvel-pulls-variant-cover-for-sexualizing-invincible-i-1788069288

Oh color here - http://io9.gizmodo.com/a-15-year-old-black-girl-is-going-to-replace-tony-stark-1783193133
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LOL. I pay a only a passive attention to the comic world
Oct 21st 2016
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I'd take sex being worse.
Oct 21st 2016
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Are women really buying comics these days?
Oct 21st 2016
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Oh most definitely. And going to cons, developing their own, cosplaying
Oct 21st 2016
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Light skinning is the real problem
Oct 21st 2016
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And then the world changed.
Oct 21st 2016
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yeah, women.... but not 15 year olds
Oct 21st 2016
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      Those xmen comics with teens weren't flat chested back in the day
Oct 21st 2016
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           the New Mutants and Hellions weren't flat chested
Oct 21st 2016
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What's worse??? Seeing a 14/15 year old dressed like that IRL
Oct 21st 2016
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Both terrible. But colorism is much more uncomfortable discussion
Oct 21st 2016
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I'm disturbed by how little attention the lightening is getting
Oct 21st 2016
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Why though? Colorism is a known issue
Oct 21st 2016
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Ridiculous. It's like they wanted to make her look more urban latina
Oct 21st 2016
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Variant cover versus actual art.
Oct 21st 2016
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The two seems like they can work hand in hand for the worst at times
Oct 21st 2016
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because people make excuses for shitty character design
Oct 21st 2016
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1. "LOL. I pay a only a passive attention to the comic world"
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and even I remember Cambell's known for his 'hottie' type superhero designs...in his defense I think that's the only way he knows how to draw them*

The skin lightening I think is a bit unfair tho.

*Speaking of big titties anatomically incorrect comics, when I went to Comic con a few weeks back I was struck just how archaic and cheesy the style looks. There were tables of artists who drew that style (some of em women) and they all-looked-the-same.

  

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MEAT
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2. "I'd take sex being worse. "
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They're both shitty. But damn, can't women have anything without it being catered to a male audience also ?

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legsdiamond
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4. "Are women really buying comics these days? "
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I have no idea.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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MEAT
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6. "Oh most definitely. And going to cons, developing their own, cosplaying "
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I went to a small press expo about a month ago and I'd say at least half of the creators were women.

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18. "."
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>They're both shitty. But damn, can't women have anything
>without it being catered to a male audience also ?
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*salutes*
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legsdiamond
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3. "Light skinning is the real problem"
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Comics have always been about dudes with super muscles and women with big tits

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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MEAT
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5. "And then the world changed. "
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Fri Oct-21-16 12:43 PM by MEAT

  

          

And we didn't have to rely solely on the imaginings of the Liefelds of the world.


https://www.google.com/amp/www.progressiveboink.com/platform/amp/2012/4/21/2960508/worst-rob-liefeld-drawings?client=safari

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7. "yeah, women.... but not 15 year olds"
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I just think it's all over shitty. I can't even pick which is worse.

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8. "Those xmen comics with teens weren't flat chested back in the day"
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As far as I remember.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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9. "the New Mutants and Hellions weren't flat chested"
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except Dani Moonstar. She was prolly about as flat as I've ever seen a female Marvel character.

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10. "What's worse??? Seeing a 14/15 year old dressed like that IRL"
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'cause they're out there like that. Not sure what kind of parents these little girls have, but I used to see that shit at my eldest daughter's high school all the fuckin time whenever I had to drop her off or pick her up.

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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

  

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11. "Both terrible. But colorism is much more uncomfortable discussion"
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imcvspl
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12. "I'm disturbed by how little attention the lightening is getting "
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I get the over sexualizing issue but the difference between the two versions is far more apparent in the color. Also she looked like a grown woman in the darker version just her breasts were smaller and no emphasis on hips.
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13. "Why though? Colorism is a known issue"
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Fri Oct-21-16 04:54 PM by MEAT

  

          

And as long as white people are drawing and putting US up front they'll keep going either light or "african dark".
We know this, we've seen it, it's gross, but it's to be expected.

But with the over sexualization of a young adult, still a teen, even in fictionalization. It's the continued conversation that's so detrimental to young women. The one that says that it doesn't matter how smart you are (in this case one of the smartest characters in this fictional universe) you still need to be sexy.

And I get it, there's not too many ugly or average characters in any fictionalization. But there's a difference between that and sexy.

Moongirl gets to be a preteen

https://lowbrowcomics.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/img_9631.jpeg

Kamala Khan gets to be a teenager

https://www.wired.com/images_blogs/underwire/2014/01/muslim-ms-marvel.jpg


As a race, we're fine. Colorism is as old as time. But as girls become women in this world that they're getting more opportunities and positive representations in all facets of life, it's important to continue that path. The over sexualization at this point is as outdated as mammies or Cleveland Indians logo.

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14. "Ridiculous. It's like they wanted to make her look more urban latina"
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How did this
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/ece8xht0r91ll7jjqtbb.png

Turn into this?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvIhoJDW8AATqw-.jpg

  

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16. "Variant cover versus actual art. "
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15. "The two seems like they can work hand in hand for the worst at times"
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17. "because people make excuses for shitty character design"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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