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beatnik
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"Would Trump winning be a fail for feminism?"


  

          

With all the campaigns, advertising, and social media we've seen in recent times, from creating buzzwords and catchphrases aimed at male behavior to trying to take out Tom Hanks for how he sits on the subway, we've seen the ideology be used in very effective ways. Jokes aside, it's a powerful ideology that shapes the way people think and live and is more prominent in the media than any overly religious or conservative message ( imo ).

If this toupee actually wins could it be viewed as an overall assessment of how effective the feminist movement really is in modern times?

If using this ideology can sell merchandise, keep websites going, give celebrities a "paint by numbers" platform for any kind of message to put out, make entire careers, but can't keep the very epitome of what kind person it's supposed to fight against out of the White house what more can be said?

and I know this sounds negative and is hypothetical, but if that fool won in spite of everything we've seen the movement do, what the hell man?

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...what?
Oct 12th 2016
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My first thought verbatim.
Oct 13th 2016
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dude, it would be a fail for everyone
Oct 12th 2016
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all of humanity
Oct 12th 2016
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      and cats...
Oct 12th 2016
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      ^^^ poasted this so i didn't have to.
Oct 12th 2016
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      trump getting this far is the kind of thing we'll have to explain like
Oct 12th 2016
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      Woah, woah, woah, woah (c) Dangerdoom
Oct 13th 2016
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           nope, your fault too. how many aussie/nz actors have take
Oct 13th 2016
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                C'mon, those traitors? They're American now
Oct 13th 2016
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think of this election as an asshole census. the number of votes trump g...
Oct 12th 2016
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i called it a referendum on bigotry
Oct 12th 2016
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RE: think of this election as an asshole census. the number of votes tru...
Oct 12th 2016
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      it's not a feminism issue.
Oct 12th 2016
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      disagree slightly
Oct 13th 2016
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           please tell me you're high and this is just the weed talking
Oct 13th 2016
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                RE: please tell me you're high and this is just the weed talking
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                     that's the only good thing about this post so far
Oct 13th 2016
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                          it ruins the post
Oct 13th 2016
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                               oh you figured out the acronym
Oct 13th 2016
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      you are a stupid person
Oct 13th 2016
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           for asking questions?
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                it's a stupid question.
Oct 13th 2016
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                     from a fuckboy
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                          see? stupid.
Oct 13th 2016
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no, it would be a rise of misogyny and sexual predation
Oct 12th 2016
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RE: no, it would be a rise of misogyny and sexual predation
Oct 12th 2016
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      IF ONLY FEMINISM HAD REACHED THE REPUBLICAN PARTY SOONER
Oct 13th 2016
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Nah, it would be a prime example of why feminism is on the rise
Oct 13th 2016
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Trump winning would be a response to feminism
Oct 13th 2016
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RE: Trump winning would be a response to feminism
Oct 13th 2016
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just a response?
Oct 13th 2016
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      It's a similar relationship as Trump to black folks
Oct 13th 2016
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           yes, stop and frisk nation wide would be a fail
Oct 13th 2016
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                note you won't say the black power movement was a failure
Oct 13th 2016
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                     because you're generalizing
Oct 13th 2016
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                          and so are you, cut it out
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                               lol
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                                    No
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                                         how?
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                                              RE: how?
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                                                   you didnt understand the question
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                                                        oh it was understood
Oct 13th 2016
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your momma failed
Oct 13th 2016
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really?
Oct 13th 2016
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      Parenting fail
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           yall dont get it
Oct 13th 2016
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           Was the goal of feminism to select the next US president?
Oct 13th 2016
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                "women can stop trump"
Oct 13th 2016
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                     Seems like you're picking out an singular example to apply to all femini...
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                          not trying to be rude
Oct 13th 2016
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           This right here:
Oct 13th 2016
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                pivot like a trump surrogate
Oct 13th 2016
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                     Ok, you lost me. What are you trying to say?
Oct 13th 2016
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                          you are dense
Oct 13th 2016
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                               #47. And see exactly where you are stuck at
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                                    you're being condescending
Oct 13th 2016
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                                         he isn't
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                                              grow up
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                                                   you first
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                                                        rubber and glue huh?
Oct 13th 2016
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                                                             the subject is still you are an idiot
Oct 13th 2016
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                                                                  bitch you silly
Oct 13th 2016
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                                                                       who's the silly bitch now?
Nov 11th 2016
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No (no snark here)
Oct 13th 2016
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I like my way of answering better, but this works too
Oct 13th 2016
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RE: No (no snark here)
Oct 14th 2016
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      RE: No (no snark here)
Oct 14th 2016
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           RE: No (no snark here)
Oct 14th 2016
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                Circles man
Oct 14th 2016
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                     no
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                          and this is why you should've just LOL'd at this goofy motherfucker
Oct 14th 2016
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I just don't see this being about feminism. I think there are tons of
Oct 14th 2016
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53%
Nov 11th 2016
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ouch.
Nov 11th 2016
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      RE: ouch.
Nov 11th 2016
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           oh please keep typing
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           infantilized dog
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                you having shit for brains
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                     victim complex
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                          talking about yourself?
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                               worthless mutt
Nov 12th 2016
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                                    silly scared misogynist
Nov 13th 2016
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           yeah. The modern, identity-politics based left struggles
Nov 12th 2016
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no, its not a failure of feminism
Nov 11th 2016
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RE: no, its not a failure of feminism
Nov 11th 2016
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      fair point, and there is a legit distinction.
Nov 12th 2016
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           RE: fair point, and there is a legit distinction.
Nov 12th 2016
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I didn't read this post before the election....
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lol
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      ok
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           "of" and "for" man
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                uh....ok.
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                nah
Nov 12th 2016
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                So you're saying it's "a blow to" feminism...
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                     yall are something else
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                          Eh. You're just being overly defensive now...
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                               RE: Eh. You're just being overly defensive now...
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                                    Welp, I tried to have a respectful dialog with you.
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                                         just being honest
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                                              It's all good. I just regret trying to level with you.
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                                                   lol
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                                                        My first reply to this post is #96
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                                                             you're another joke
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                                                                  Nah you're the joke here.
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                                                                       resorting to lying
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                                                                            Feel free to point out the lie. It's clear you're projecting.
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                                                                                 lying about your actions overall
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                                                                                      You're just fighting to save face at this point.
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                                                                                           nah
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                                                                                           Sorry to disappoint.
Nov 12th 2016
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                                                                                           you confessed to being a lame
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                                                                                           More childish insults after you admitted to being wrong
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                                                                                           nah
Nov 12th 2016
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                                                                                           Thing is, nobody brought up old posts in here.
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                                                                                           you lost man
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                                                                                           #winning
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                                                                                           im seriously laughing at you
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                                                                                           I'm laughing harder at you tho
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                                                                                           now you getting weak
Nov 12th 2016
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                                                                                           I'm just giving you the argument you wanted.
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                                                                                           you've been parroting for a while
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                                                                                           Look who's talking tho...
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                                                                                           lmao
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                                                                                           So you wanna go for 200?
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                                                                                           RE: So you wanna go for 200?
Nov 12th 2016
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I think this article says what you were trying to say
Nov 12th 2016
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good article, thanks
Nov 12th 2016
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Trump took a big shyt on SJWs & whiny Libertarians
Nov 13th 2016
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1. "...what?"
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36. "My first thought verbatim."
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2. "dude, it would be a fail for everyone"
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3. "all of humanity"
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4. "and cats..."
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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

  

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5. "^^^ poasted this so i didn't have to. "
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7. "trump getting this far is the kind of thing we'll have to explain like"
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"so what had happened was"

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18. "Woah, woah, woah, woah (c) Dangerdoom"
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You're not going to rope the rest of us into this shit after all that greatest best country that God ever gave this earth spiel we got while the going was good.

Just IMO though.

  

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22. "nope, your fault too. how many aussie/nz actors have take"
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american white male acting jobs?

y'all are a part of the problem take responsiblity

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41. "C'mon, those traitors? They're American now"
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>american white male acting jobs?
>
>y'all are a part of the problem take responsiblity

They're yours.

Unless they win an Oscar.

Just IMO though.

  

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6. "think of this election as an asshole census. the number of votes trump g..."
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is probably going to be +/- the asshole population of the US.


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8. "i called it a referendum on bigotry"
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apparently now i need to add misogny
and other isms

as far as i am concerned, the upcoming election is doing nothing but highlighting the places my black immigrant ass is not planning on traveling to, spending money on
that's all

the basket of deplorables - i wish nothing but pure utter misery for the lot of them

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10. "RE: think of this election as an asshole census. the number of votes tru..."
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I just think about how dudes have actually been arrested for "manspreading" but a real life King Koopa could be president,

there's a lot that goes into that but just looking at everything that has come from feminism recently it would just seem like a point to mark in time from what it's led up to and where it should go if it couldn't be used effectively to keep that fool out of office.

It's easy to generally ask people how they would feel or what they think about it, or pass judgment on people based on voting for King Koopa but just looking at how people use that ideology and what they target, if that dude wins over everything that's been put out and done I think that says a lot.

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11. "it's not a feminism issue. "
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the manspreading arrests highlight the issues our country has with policing (specifically quotas and the way some people are targeted and disproportionately punishes for minor offenses). someone like trump (and most of the people who complained about the arrests in ny) would never get arrested for that kind of crime.

it's not about vindictive women. people who use bullshit like that to justify their support of trump don't have a reasonable sense of perspective.

and our hypocrisy doesn't mean that feminists don't have a point when they try to get us to cut the bullshit (like being a dick on the subway). there's no reason we can't BOTH be more aware in our daily lives and also participate in electoral politics.

the fact that trump might get elected just illustrates their point. it really can be as bad as they say it is. the sense of urgency and vigilance that people criticize as extremism is necessary.

  

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13. "disagree slightly"
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"manspreading" was spearheaded by feminists on social media and people actually being arrested for it is where it went to as a result of how much they talked about it and got people to pay attention to it, Black and Brown people being targeted sucks but just because a rich white guy wouldn't be says nothing about how effective that campaign was in getting people to pay attention and take action, the racism and police are separate issues, but the social media, petitioning, ad campaigns etc worked

so if it can be effective in that area where they actually have men scared of being arrested for how they sit, then what would it say if it weren't effective enough to keep him out of office?

Is it better for small issues like that and doesn't reach on a larger scale, or can it reach it that far but fails?

If using the ideology to back ads, campaigns , and social media to keep a miosgynist out of office isn't a feminist issue then what is?

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15. "please tell me you're high and this is just the weed talking"
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17. "RE: please tell me you're high and this is just the weed talking"
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please tell me you actually have a contribution to the conversation and not just lame jokes and being a troll

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20. "that's the only good thing about this post so far"
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25. "it ruins the post"
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you seem like you mad because I didn't respond to you right off bat with your lil youtube "first comment!" attempt so now you trolling.

you can be a bitch and get your last word/joke in cuz I'm ignoring you now. peace.

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26. "oh you figured out the acronym"
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14. "you are a stupid person"
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16. "for asking questions?"
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Have you contributed anything to this other than lame ass jokes and insults? Thanks for keeping it classy.

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19. "it's a stupid question."
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with a stupid premise.



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21. "from a fuckboy"
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who started a post about Donald Glover's family situation? ok, no contribution is where you stand.

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23. "see? stupid."
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9. "no, it would be a rise of misogyny and sexual predation"
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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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12. "RE: no, it would be a rise of misogyny and sexual predation"
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If I put twenty signs outside your house asking you not to kill me, then you went out and hired a hit man to do it for you, that's not a rise in crime, my message failed to get through.

I'm not asking what would happen if he's elected, I'm asking how you think the effectiveness of messages backed by feminism plays into that and whether it can, can't, or shouldn't be a sign of how effective it is.

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24. "IF ONLY FEMINISM HAD REACHED THE REPUBLICAN PARTY SOONER"
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I'm glad we've figured out who's to blame for this.

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27. "Nah, it would be a prime example of why feminism is on the rise"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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28. "Trump winning would be a response to feminism"
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Not a win or fail, just a response.

Shit, Trump even making it this far is, in part, a response to feminism (among other things).

  

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29. "RE: Trump winning would be a response to feminism"
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>Not a win or fail, just a response.
>
>Shit, Trump even making it this far is, in part, a response to
>feminism (among other things).


I can see this^^^^

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30. "just a response?"
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I view that response as a reaction to whatever those people disagreed with in feminism, and if the response is electing a person who could possibly undo what the people they disagree with fight for and believe in then that's a loss somewhere.

In the marketing, for the people, any way you want to look at it, if having the antithesis of your ideology basically determining your life for the next four years is only a response then what's an actual failure or sign that some part of what they do wasn't effective enough?

if his being elected is just a response, then people could say that laws being changed is just a response too. I don't want to see what yall think an actual fail would be lol

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31. "It's a similar relationship as Trump to black folks"
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Is it a fail for Black people if Trump gets elected?

We all know that a lot of people will probably vote Trump because they hope he shuts down the blacks. Again, it's not a "fail" if he gets elected, but it is due (in-part) to racism.

  

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34. "yes, stop and frisk nation wide would be a fail"
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That's my country failing to make sure I'm respected in my day to day life, that's years and years of explaining to people why my life is different but failing to sway them at all, that's a loss, if the candidate that would look out for me doesn't make it that's a loss.

How am I winning or gaining anything if the clock is being turned back?

I'll just straight up say it's a fail, if my side of the debate and the struggle doesn't come out on top I'm failing somewhere.

I get what you saying though, it's all just representative of peoples opinions/beliefs and folks just voting their values.

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37. "note you won't say the black power movement was a failure"
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the civil rights movement was a failure

suddenly theres a jump to the country failed

you couldn't be consistent for the sake of your own argument

hrm

you telling on yourself in here
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39. "because you're generalizing "
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i'm talking about the marketing and advertising they use in the present and how effective it can be, you're creating a whole other topic all together.

You seriously can't say whether or not a campaign can be effective or not?

Yall seem like yall have some other issues with this question outside of just being able to say "yes it works, no it doesn't work"

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51. "and so are you, cut it out"
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52. "lol"
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I'm not playing the rubber and glue game with yall

I asked about advertising/marketing etc and using the ideology for a specific reason, yall came in with childish insults and grandstanding.

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53. "No"
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you generalized
you keep generalizing
cut it out

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54. "how?"
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without being rude and childish explain what you think I'm generalizing about?

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58. "RE: how?"
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who's marketing?
who's advertising?

which ideology?

its a pretty childish post frankly
the thinking is simplistic and you are trying to make it something that it simply is not
its been explained
several times over at this point

you don't want to get it
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60. "you didnt understand the question"
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that was all you had to say from jump instead of that childish "your mamma" bullshit/ you made no attempt to actually understand what the question was.

now after this im ignoring you, have a good day, and that's sincere on my part, peace.

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61. "oh it was understood"
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but its looking more and more like you dont understand your own question


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32. "your momma failed"
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their mommas too


don't put stupidity on feminism, BLM, LGBT rights, immigrants
cause y'all crazy
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33. "really?"
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Thanks for being classy.

Nobodies blaming feminism etc lmao. wtf? you reached far with that bullshit lol

I'm asking whether or not you think the way the ideology is being used can be effective in preventing him from taking office and if he wins does that mean it failed in anyway or can that be viewed as a loss if somebody like him takes office.

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35. "Parenting fail"
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You see how this works?

This goes from personal responsibility to its another groups fault for not appealing in the proper way.

Thats not how this works.

The last 40 years is not a civil rights or black power movement or feminism or immigration rights failure.

You want movements to own the failures of a system specific set up against them. Systems that lack logic and people that believe them lacking logic.

Again thats not how any of this works the closest you can come to blame is yes a parenting failure and you see how absurd that sounds.

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38. "yall dont get it"
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yall trying so hard to be condescending. why? stop

let me make this real basic for you so yall can stop reaching; if a marketing campaign doesn't do it's job, is that a failure of said campaign?

just answer that question and if you have to be rude about it just move around dude because you not even answering the original question.

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42. "Was the goal of feminism to select the next US president?"
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If not, then feminism did not fail.

It's pretty straight-forward.

>let me make this real basic for you so yall can stop reaching;
>if a marketing campaign doesn't do it's job, is that a failure
>of said campaign?
>
>just answer that question and if you have to be rude about it
>just move around dude because you not even answering the
>original question.

  

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45. ""women can stop trump""
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You doing so much dancing man, why?

If you got celebrities holding up those signs on social media and this fool gets elected, then did they reach enough people? Was that an effective ad campaign that used the basic ideals of feminism to appeal to people?

The point of feminism is equality, fucking duh lol

but if you start an ad campaign based on feminism to try and get something done and you don't accomplish that goal it's not a fail?

your answer is "well it wasn't going to work anyway, so even though we had a specific goal and objective we didn't fail because nothing was in our favor to begin with"

it might suck when the other team cheats or has an advantage, but if you lose you lose.

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47. "Seems like you're picking out an singular example to apply to all femini..."
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That't the same trick that people use to denounce BLM. They find the one or two black people that scream "Fuck White People!" and use that as their example of ALL of BLM.

This is the FIRST time I've seen this: http://emilyslist.org/news/entry/emilys-list-launches-women-can-stop-trump

This is a SPECIFIC group, not all "feminists": http://emilyslist.org/pages/entry/our-mission


Again, you're using a singular example to try and apply that to a larger group.

>You doing so much dancing man, why?

lol, considering my post history on OKP, there's an huge amount of irony in the role that I have in this particular post. Fair is fair tho.

  

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49. "not trying to be rude"
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but it seems like yall responded to a question yall didn't fully understand

I made plenty of references to media in the original question, the "men sitting on the subway" thing is Trump, Trump is the man on the subway. I even gave a disclaimer on not trying to sound negative lol

I'm talking about feminism in media and the marketing they use to speak out on issues, the "women can stop trump" is just an example to point out there are currently ads out there that prove my point, but you tried to use it as a way to attack.

if it worked in other areas and doesn't work here, then what does that say about how it's being used and is that a failure of the movement to accomplish this one-specific-goal

There's no "Central House of Feminism" people go about it in different ways and many people who identify as feminists argue amongst themselves about the right way to do it, im not talking about that

in regards to this extremely specific subject of how it's being used in marketing to effect a presidential campaign, yes, i think a clear judgment can be made on whether or not it's working, and not all this weak stuff yall trying to kick like nothing should be said about it at all.

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40. "This right here:"
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>You want movements to own the failures of a system specifically
>set up against them.

Well put.

  

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43. "pivot like a trump surrogate"
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that's so weak minded and defeatist it's sad.

either your marketing/advertising is effective in changing the minds of people you're trying to sway or it isn't.

yall arguing from a standpoint of what these movements stand for overall and keep phrasing everything like one specific critique denounces a whole movement, it doesn't.

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44. "Ok, you lost me. What are you trying to say?"
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You asked if it was a "fail" for feminism if Trump got elected, right?

The answer is "no," because, AFAIK, the main goals feminism DO NOT include electing their presidential candidate of choice.

How is that not clear to you?

  

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46. "you are dense"
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feminists have ad campaigns based on who they want to be president and the vast majority of them are against trump, how is THAT not clear to you? lol

when you use an ideology for marketing and advertising and do not accomplish your goal, regardless of who is behind that, that will be a loss and you failed to accomplish that goal, your movement failed in it's attempt to use it's ideology to speak to people.

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48. "#47. And see exactly where you are stuck at"
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The "women can stop Trump" group is called EMILY'S list, not "feminists" (even though feminists can be members of EMILY'S list).


By your logic, Black people have "failed" because this group:
http://www.cbpm.org/nbpp.html
didn't achieve it's goals.

I'm trying to walk you through this fam, but you're becoming increasingly hostile in here.

  

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50. "you're being condescending"
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and dont understand the question or have reservations about giving an actual answer so you're throwing that back at me, you're not doing shit for me lol

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55. "he isn't"
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he understands fine
you are being dense
cut it out
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56. "grow up"
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either say something substantial or move around

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57. "you first"
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people have been giving you substance
on what is basically a bullshit post
you are looking for a bullshit answer

you're done at this point
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59. "rubber and glue huh?"
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nobody really answered the question, yall changed the subject and made it a generalization of every social movement in history, when I asked you to answer a specific question you intentionally ignored that post didnt you?, and you borderline threw responsibility politics into your argument you were reaching so far.

ignoring your childish ass lol. be a bitch and get that last word/joke if you need it, peace.

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62. "the subject is still you are an idiot"
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its been answered
repeatedly
you don't like the answer
there is a difference

the subject has not been changed
you are clearly clueless to what you asked
and don't understand the answers given

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63. "bitch you silly"
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you have yet to actually answer the question, restate the question you think I was asking and give a direct answer to it, other wise step.

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77. "who's the silly bitch now?"
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bitch ass wouldn't even commit to what he was saying
people telling hm
and now he THINKS he got it right
dumb ass is STILL wrong


this type of stupidity must hurt i swear

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64. "No (no snark here)"
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The fact that Trump could make it this far in the election of major leader of the free world means the premise to your whole question:

>it's a powerful ideology that
>shapes the way people think and live and is more prominent in
>the media than any overly religious or conservative message (
>imo ).

is wrong to begin with. The reason why you might think this is true is in fact because of how conservative media has completely framed the debate about "liberal guilt" and the "forcing" of Americans to be PC. That's what we feel, not the strength of feminism. The circumstances of when we some celebrity or random employee lose endorsements or get fired are actually pretty rare compared to the rest of America. Those just get the news and publicity. Racism and sexism still reign supreme in this muhfucka.

>If using this ideology can sell merchandise, keep websites
>going, give celebrities a "paint by numbers" platform for any
>kind of message to put out, make entire careers, but can't
>keep the very epitome of what kind person it's supposed to
>fight against out of the White house what more can be said?

I do agree that because of social media, especially Twitter, we're seeing feminism in a much more public way (although I'd argue that it's really black feminism we're seeing because white feminism still had much more attention in pop culture and media before social media took off), but that's kind of because of the equalizing factor of it. The main public forum of ideas is no longer the print and TV industry.

But with that said, the feminist "movement" now is nowhere at the strength of the first and 3rd wave feminist movements (sorry I don't know too much about the 2nd wave). The first wave movement grew out of the abolitionist movement, these feminists were hard as shit and did lots of. The 3rd wave movement grew out of the Civil rights movement. They were in the streets, mobilizing, demonstrating, causing real changes, changes though were much more impacted on college campuses. Selling merchandise and hosting websites are critical, and keep a much needed public profile for women's rights, but is not YET a full-fledged movement in the way that social movements have been successful in the past. As an aside, it's interesting to me how #BLM has propelled these issues forward much better than how the white, mostly-comment-on-pop-culture liberal fems have been able to accomplish imo.

Oh yeah, sorry, a much simpler response to your question? Trump's rise is largely due to his racist and anti-immigrant positions, which is why this whole premise you put forward is weird af. It comes off like you're blaming women for the failure to stop him, which I'll assume, for now anyway, that's not what you think.

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65. "I like my way of answering better, but this works too"
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66. "RE: No (no snark here)"
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I don't get why anybody thinks I'm blaming women or feminism, I said "failure for" but yall keep responding like I said "failure of". You even quote me saying the "ideology" but still reach with this notion I'm blaming women, I didn't say women, woman, or females anywhere in there. I said movement and ideology, but since I did say "male" and "he" I guess thats where the reach I'm blaming women is coming from.

no, I'm not blaming anybody for anything, yall view it as a case to place blame and I don't, just asking if his winning can be an assessment of how effective the message is when used in advertising and marketing, we see how effective it is in other areas so I don't see whats so hard about talking about how it applies to this very-specific-issue. if this is one battle in a war lets speak on the battle without saying it has to be representative of the entire struggle.

and I disagree with your first quote, you say we don't feel the power of feminism but it's been in media my whole life, that has nothing to do with conservative complaints or only when people get in trouble, that's not what I meant and that's why yall should really ask questions before going off with these assumptions. From sitcoms and cartoons, "girl power", cosmetics campaigns, slut walks and take back the night, literature, "this is what feminist looks like" shirts, there's a whole lot of media out there that stems from feminism. and if a message becoming prevalent and celebrated isn't feeling the power then what is?

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67. "RE: No (no snark here)"
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>I don't get why anybody thinks I'm blaming women or feminism,
>I said "failure for" but yall keep responding like I said
>"failure of". You even quote me saying the "ideology" but
>still reach with this notion I'm blaming women, I didn't say
>women, woman, or females anywhere in there. I said movement
>and ideology, but since I did say "male" and "he" I guess
>thats where the reach I'm blaming women is coming from.

Ok, so let me spell this out. If you listened to a rape survivor's whole story and your very first response after the story was "But why did you have so much to drink, you got to be careful." No, this response doesn't seem to directly blame her for what happens, it's indirect. Like I said before,

"Trump's rise is largely due to his racist and anti-immigrant positions, which is why this whole premise you put forward is weird af."

Really, it's very weird as fuck. You don't put blame on "woman," "women," "females," etc. but your indirect message is what's strong here, because of my statement above. You pull this reasoning out of left field when hardly anybody would be attributing this to Trump's rise. Thus, as many in this post prob agree, this viewpoint seems to be more a reflection of you than it is the reality of the situation. What that is tho, I can't call it.

Also, you can't talk about feminism and really think that you're not referring to women. Women have been the architects of feminism. For example, when the small section of clowns within #BLM try to put forward that black feminism is a racist conspiracy to tear down the movement and black brothas, they are indirectly blaming black women for not being loyal to the movement (but of course they've specifically targeted black women activists, so I guess that makes it more direct) and are preventing black women from having complete freedom, what we're supposed to be fighting for, within the movement. With all the coded language of racism and sexism that flies these days, we know the indirect can sometimes be even more powerful, fam.


>and I disagree with your first quote, you say we don't feel
>the power of feminism but it's been in media my whole life,
>that has nothing to do with conservative complaints or only
>when people get in trouble, that's not what I meant and that's
>why yall should really ask questions before going off with
>these assumptions. From sitcoms and cartoons, "girl power",
>cosmetics campaigns, slut walks and take back the night,
>literature, "this is what feminist looks like" shirts, there's
>a whole lot of media out there that stems from feminism. and
>if a message becoming prevalent and celebrated isn't feeling
>the power then what is?

So, I never said feminism isn't powerful. I disagreed with your assertion, which I think is critical to your point, that feminism is "more prominent in the media than any overly religious or conservative message." That imo is flat out wrong. Feminist thought is definitely at greater visibility than ever before, but it's not more powerful than, well, sexism and racism, at least right now. I mean I've been shocked at the run-of-the-mill, textbook Law & Order-SVU type reactions, the kind that blame victims, to all of the recent rape allegations against various celebrities. I know I shouldn't be, because it does seem silly to suggest it should. But with all these television shows and crime dramas that regularly talk about rape, rape victims, and the perfectly normal and understandable contradictions of assault victims' behaviors (SVU and Criminal Minds in particular are still top crime dramas in terms of viewership), that shit has done nothing. In other words, the prominent visibility of these issues has not been the catalyst for, say, putting sexists like Trump in their place.

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68. "RE: No (no snark here)"
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powerful and prominent, those are two different things, you said clear as day we haven't felt the power of feminism, I said it was prominent for how long it's been around and all the ways it's been used and that to me is feeling the power of it.

and none of this indirect talk, if I tell you clear as day i'm not blaming people for something then respect that, don't keep trying to push that point in, either straight up accuse me or accept what I'm telling you because you dancing around that, you're the second person to make that silly "this tells us about you" comment. How does being willing to ask a question about something automatically equal "this dude hates women"? yall reach too far with that bullshit.

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69. "Circles man"
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What I'm saying is pretty clear, but you're misinterpreting me. Also, I can't make definitive statements about you based on what's said on an internet message board, so that's why it may seem like I'm jittin and Harlem shakin in this shit. I'm actually giving you the benefit of the doubt.

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70. "no"
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you made two separate comments basically insinuating I'm a misogynist, you did that clear as day. there's nothing to misinterpret from you saying shit like "we can only guess" own your words or move around.

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71. "and this is why you should've just LOL'd at this goofy motherfucker"
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and moved the fuck on.

there is no discussion

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72. "I just don't see this being about feminism. I think there are tons of"
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women who don't identify as feminist who would likewise be appalled by Trump. Specifically, I feel like there HAS to be tons of Christian Women who are appalled by Trump's behavior and can't bring themselves to vote for him (I hope). Women who would never consider themselves feminist.

If Trump loses yeah I think that's a blow to feminism (or our progress as a nation around women's issue) but it would be equally just a blow to women in general and women's issues.


I guess I just don't see "women issues" and feminism as being the same thing.



>With all the campaigns, advertising, and social media we've
>seen in recent times, from creating buzzwords and catchphrases
>aimed at male behavior to trying to take out Tom Hanks for how
>he sits on the subway, we've seen the ideology be used in very
>effective ways. Jokes aside, it's a powerful ideology that
>shapes the way people think and live and is more prominent in
>the media than any overly religious or conservative message (
>imo ).
>
>If this toupee actually wins could it be viewed as an overall
>assessment of how effective the feminist movement really is in
>modern times?
>
>If using this ideology can sell merchandise, keep websites
>going, give celebrities a "paint by numbers" platform for any
>kind of message to put out, make entire careers, but can't
>keep the very epitome of what kind person it's supposed to
>fight against out of the White house what more can be said?
>
>and I know this sounds negative and is hypothetical, but if
>that fool won in spite of everything we've seen the movement
>do, what the hell man?
>


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73. "53%"
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/01/us/politics/white-women-helped-elect-donald-trump.html?_r=0

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74. "ouch."
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I get what you're asking. Especially in hindsight.

My answer: CLEARLY, lol.

But i think the way that we see feminism, in the educated, social media using, middle-class black community, is very very very different than how white people see feminism.
And, most interestingly, different from how white *women* see feminism.

Obviously.



  

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75. "RE: ouch."
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I had some pretty angry, immature people respond and some just wanted to cape for feminism like they couldn't separate criticizing an ideology/movement from criticizing women, now everywhere you look it's "Blame White women" rhetoric across the internet. It's funny to me now cuz I knew what they would do if he won, turn on each other and kick that tired "White feminism" scapegoating line, same movement, same ideology, same people, just pointing fingers.

More than anything the "not our fault" commentary from different groups is so telling of how little people value coming together, shirk responsibility, and dive to take credit for anything they can.

anybody saying trump in office is hatred of women more than racism is getting laughed at by me though, kick that victim complex to the cape bearers.

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76. "oh please keep typing"
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>I had some pretty angry, immature people respond and some
>just wanted to cape for feminism like they couldn't separate
>criticizing an ideology/movement from criticizing women, now
>everywhere you look it's "Blame White women" rhetoric across
>the internet. It's funny to me now cuz I knew what they would
>do if he won, turn on each other and kick that tired "White
>feminism" scapegoating line, same movement, same ideology,
>same people, just pointing fingers.
>
>More than anything the "not our fault" commentary from
>different groups is so telling of how little people value
>coming together, shirk responsibility, and dive to take credit
>for anything they can.
>
>anybody saying trump in office is hatred of women more than
>racism is getting laughed at by me though, kick that victim
>complex to the cape bearers.

its women cafult for misogyny?
its feminism's fail for misogyny?

oh wait you are now saying it's DEFINITELY not misogyny because women can't be misogynists and feminists fault

we were right to begin with
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78. "infantilized dog"
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keep being angry on the internet, it looks good on you

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81. "you having shit for brains"
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doesn't make me angry

it makes you a sad person

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82. "victim complex"
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you're the one on a message board attacking people frequently. You're pathetic and sad, move along.

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83. "talking about yourself?"
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whining about people being "mean" to you?
"misunderstanding" you?
calling you names?
awww
poor pathetic you
nah

stop being stupid
and maybe i'll stop pointing it out
kinda easy...no it seems to be hard for you
my bad

i'll keep pointing out your stupidity
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84. "worthless mutt"
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you resort to that "rubber and glue" tactic real fast. You're a joke.

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129. "silly scared misogynist"
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95. "yeah. The modern, identity-politics based left struggles"
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with strategic analysis
it really is fascinating watching the fall out from all of this.
There is a TON to be gleaned here.

  

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79. "no, its not a failure of feminism"
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and Hillary winning wouldn't have been a success of feminism.

plenty of women and POCs won positions on Tuesday, but they are overlooked because Hillary didn't win....that's not feminism.

neither are some of the anti-women stances in the Democratic position.

Feminism and identity politics aren't the same.

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80. "RE: no, its not a failure of feminism"
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before election day I saw articles written by feminists saying this would be a feminist victory, I just think it's interesting how the thing to do is move responsibility based on who the person speaking thinks the blame is being placed on.

and yall keep saying "of" when I said "for", I see a difference there, but I get your point. Thanks for being mature and contributing to the conversation.

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85. "fair point, and there is a legit distinction."
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I would hold the same thought of "for" because a Trump presidency isn't a reflection of feminism in the slightest.

Honestly a lot of people aren't up on "feminism", and I don't say that to mansplain it. Moreso to relay how women I interact with wish to be defined.

I've been having a rough back and forth with my mom about Hillary's feminist stance vs true feminism.

Hillary portrayed "women's rights and issues" and relegated it to right to choose and childcare. She spoke on equal pay for women, which is a no brainer, but that is an upper class issue. Most men and women at the bottom equally make minimum wage. And she forgot that women care about the economy and insurance and foreign policy and a plethora of other issues.

Plus she so out of touch she didn't see the white woman go viral after crying about abortion RAP LYRICS?! For you to run out here and say you are pro choice, no wonder you lost 53% of white women Catholics and Protestants. If you are going to push that you HAVE to give them more to vote for.

It is dismissive to hold women only to the consideration of baby and home making. They were looking to be relegated to that role but prop up Hillary on HER crowning achievement of being in the driver's seat of patriarchy.

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86. "RE: fair point, and there is a legit distinction."
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>I would hold the same thought of "for" because a Trump
>presidency isn't a reflection of feminism in the slightest.
>
That was my point from jump, not playing the blame game the way some of these people can only see it, I'm just saying it would suck, why people felt the need to say trump in office has nothing to do with feminism just seems weak minded and strange to me. How could the fool changing the laws & culture integral to your beliefs have nothing to do with your ideology? anyways. . .

>
>I've been having a rough back and forth with my mom about
>Hillary's feminist stance vs true feminism.

imo it's an ideology with a broad definition so if someone says they're a feminist they are, you got slut walkers and those ladies in the femen, then you got your Hillary Clintons, dividing it up and saying one person isn't as real as the other seems really problematic *cough* "White feminism" *cough*. You got trump supporters who call themselves feminists, I think that's off too but the people who seriously think they have a right to tell them they aren't "real" or "true" feminists just seem like the bigger problem. I know where race, religion, & class become an issue, but an ideology with such a simple definition is not going to realistically work across the board. Also, I don't fully trust or take a person seriously if they say they follow an ideology/religion etc and immediately become offended when it's criticized and have the childish notion only they can critique it because they claim to follow or understand it better than anyone else. Being overly defensive is usually a sign of doubt and weakness imo.

>
>Plus she so out of touch she didn't see the white woman go
>viral after crying about abortion RAP LYRICS?!

You talking about the one who was too stupid to understand Vince Staples lyrics? I was laughing and pissed off about that one lol

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87. "I didn't read this post before the election...."
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And I'm not sure of this...but are you running some sort of victory lap here? Perhaps I'm wrong but I sense that you feel vindicated in some sort of way....and I don't see the vindication.

Firstly, someone can certainly claim to be feminist and be wrong about it. I'd suggest that you thinking this isn't possible is some sort of politically correct thing. That if a women claims to be feminist she can't be challenged on that. It might offend some people's sensibilities....'mansplaining' or some nonsense like that....but she certainly CAN be questioned on that.

Secondly, I get the point you are making. If sexism is thriving than feminism is not being 'effective' or persuasive enough. It's not necessarily a completely useless contention....feminism SHOULD attempt to be persuasive. But like others have pointed out....feminism is a response to a pre-existing set of circumstances. So referring to those pre-existing set of circumstances as proof that the reaction (feminism) is failing is circular logic.

These might be hyperbolic analogies...but I'm interested in your response to what they suggest. Would you say that the holocaust was proof that Jewish people were ineffective in persuading people in faith equality? Or that the murder of MLK was an indication that the civil rights movement was ineffective in persuading people of racial equality? That's kinda what your argument sounds like to me. Is there a way you can break those analogies down?

  

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88. "lol"
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you just stated you think I'm wrong & gloating, so the negative aim you have here will get no play from me. If I can't do it in a way you deem satisfactory then i'm stupid right? You just said it's circular logic and doesn't make sense to you so how does it fit into those intentionally overly dramatic scenarios you chose?

yall kill me on here lmao, I re-upped it because someone else posted an article that said Hillary winning would be a feminist victory, a day or two went by then I noticed nobody even bothered to focus on that part of the article, which made me remember this mess of a post so since the question was no longer a hypothetical and became reality I just wanted to see if anybody else would approach the topic without these pitchforks yall love to grab.

not at all gloating as you so cleverly attempted to accuse me of doing.

but thanks for saying an ideology based on equality should do a better job of reaching people, I think so too.

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89. "ok"
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I apologize for the characterization of you doing a victory lap.

Let's set that aside and address the content that you are insisting on.

How is what you're saying different from 'the murder of MLK is an indication that the civil rights movement was ineffective in persuading people about racial equality'?

Please correct me if I'm wrong in saying your point was 'Trump's election is an indication that feminism has been ineffective in persuading people about gender equality'.

  

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90. ""of" and "for" man"
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It was a failure of feminism to prevent the election of Donald Trump.

wrong, never said that, not the point I was making, that's what nearly every person who responded saw, chose to see, I don't know lol. but to say it was a "failure of" implies the ideology is directly responsible in some way, like there's causation.

It is a failure for feminism that Donald Trump has been elected.

maybe my grammar/semantics are worse than I realize but to me this sentence says, it is a failure for, it is bad for, not good for, not that the blame and responsibility is to be placed on the ideology, but that it is not good to have someone who clearly has no inclination towards understanding or working for this ideology in the position of making laws that will directly oppose it.

it's just the "of" and "for" man lol

just like I would say, "It was bad FOR the civil rights movement ___ was assassinated" and not, "It was because OF the civil rights movement ___ blank was assassinated"

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91. "uh....ok."
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the 'of' and 'for' thing alludes me.

But to hammer the point home more.....why are you singling out feminism? I'll make my analogy more concise:

You are saying 'It is a failure for feminism that Trump was elected'. Why not 'It is a failure for the civil rights movement that Trump was elected'? Or 'It is a failure for Black Lives Matter that Trump was elected'? Or 'It is a failure for those who advocate for the handicapped that Trump was elected'? Or 'It is a failure for Greenpeace that Trump was elected'?

In regards to the semantics...if you replaced the 'for' with 'of' in any of those contentions there would be no difference imo.

To be honest...I think you've been cornered here lol. In the attempt to be as non-assuming as possible...I will say it APPEARS like you are simply trying to take a pot-shot at feminism. And then claiming that the critique of your position is more evidence of what you think is irrational about feminist rhetoric. But the critique is not irrational. You are simply blaming the existence of sexism on those who seek to fight sexism.

  

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92. "nah"
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all the examples I listed in the OP of what's been done in the name of feminism were just me trying to draw parallels to trump and behavior society has said is unacceptable towards women, I even said that down the line, I just listed some bad examples or things that made it sound like I have a problem, I don't, I was just trying to avoid spelling everything out, or didn't think I had to. I thought the connection between negative male behavior feminism has been used to speak against and trump being a pig was obvious, guess not.

like, "If this toupee actually wins could it be viewed as an overall assessment of how effective the feminist movement really is in modern times?"

sounds totally different if I say "If this toupee actually wins could it be viewed as an overall assessment of how effective the feminist movement really is in modern times going forward?"

because if it's bad for the ideology one area it would carry over to is how people view any campaigns or messages put out under the ideology when you now see a lot people decided misogyny and racism are things they can look over and voted for the fool, so naturally if a large part of society has shown a disregard for a certain ideology it's going to make it hard.

and I got so many different arguments I'm not sure which one's you mean, but saying it has absolutely no connection whatsoever is what I find irrational, I can understand saying it doesn't make a difference, but the people saying it's not a feminist issue or it doesn't apply, yeah, that's what kept throwing me for a loop.

the misogynist who wants a supreme court full of roe v wade repealers has nothing to do with your ideology? ok.

and as to why I picked feminism, that just makes me laugh, no clue honestly lol, would people be as mad and defensive if I had picked one of the choices you listed? I don't know, but it was really just a random question that popped in my head then I decided to write it out a little more, to be honest I think most ideologies/religions are bullshit, I mean, here you are saying I'm taking shots at feminism and blaming them for. . . something, yet here feminists are 16 years into the 21st century and just now having bigger conversations about intersectionality and the privilege of White women that probably wouldn't even be as prevalent without social media even though they've been ignoring WOC from the start. They're just as detrimental to each other as any misogynist could be, that's why it's funny to me to have that sexist/misogynist label thrown at me, it's an ideology for equality of all genders but if I say something about it yall act like I'm only talking about women, and maybe just not the ideology itself, I don't think a misogynist would give a fuck about what was good or bad for feminism, at least that's how I see it.

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96. "So you're saying it's "a blow to" feminism..."
In response to Reply # 90


          

from your explanation here...
which actually would make this applicable to
the civil rights analogy he's giving you,
because many still say the deaths of Martin
and Malcolm were blows to the civil rights
movement.

At the same time, this doesn't seem to be
what you're saying in reply 10 when you
say:
"if it couldn't be used effectively
to keep that fool out of office."
(reply 12 is even worse)
That sounds like the blame is being
placed on feminism, making it congruent
with the "failure" sentiment of the post
title.

In short, what you're saying NOW makes
sense. What you were saying at first,
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97. "yall are something else"
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10 & 12 were responses to people who said it had nothing to do with feminism and were signs of other factors, those responses were intended to show that if it can be influential and cause change in one area, then why would it not apply to another. That's what I was saying to those people because they were saying in general terms there was not a single area where it can be applied to this election, they were the one's seeing blame being placed and I was trying to explain that if there's a clear real world example of where people have used this ideology to affect something then it makes little sense to say it has nothing at all to do with a presidential election, how they're arguments make more sense to you than mine, if they do, is strange to me. But if their statements are based on placing blame and I have to respond to that I can see why you think I'm fingerpointing too.

that's where I come in with the cape jokes because if you can't separate criticizing an ideology from criticizing people and have to start kicking buzzwords I'm just laughing at you. You can throw a rock in any direction and find a feminist who has a problem with feminism but I can't take people seriously with these passive aggressive "you probably hate women, humph" responses just because I did a shitty job of explaining myself lol

and I've said all over this here I'm not placing blame, so if #90 got my point across better then cool

and why the fact that "of" and "for" literally have different definitions and uses in grammar is either intentionally being ignored or just not known is beyond me, I smh that a simple switch with "failure for" and "bad for" would have made such difference based on how people want to interpret the word failure. I thought I could have fun with synonyms, guess not.

but according to yall people of color and people for color is the same sentence lol

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98. "Eh. You're just being overly defensive now..."
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which is somewhat understandable, because
we do have the "you hate women" contingent
on here who came in calling you stupid and
saying your momma failed as their first
responses, so throwing me into that pot
on some "yall" is pretty unfair, considering
I haven't attacked you.
Situations like this is precisely why such
childish resorts have been criticized so
heavily on the boards, but anyway...

As far as the election having nothing to
do with feminism, I'd argue that it doesn't
on the basis that we get who they want us
to have and not who we choose. Hillary
won the popular vote despite calling
niggas super predators and other foul
activity, so if we're gonna view her
victories as tied to feminism, then
that's a "victory" I suppose, no?

As for the word games concerning the
difference between "of" and "for",
if I say "this is a loss for the
Cowboys", no one assumes the efforts
of the Cowboys aren't connected to that lol.

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99. "RE: Eh. You're just being overly defensive now..."
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no I'm not lol I'm just trying to give an answer to your question and explain what I was saying, pointing out what people said and longer response don't equal being defensive.
>
>As far as the election having nothing to
>do with feminism, I'd argue that it doesn't
>on the basis that we get who they want us
>to have and not who we choose. Hillary
>won the popular vote despite calling
>niggas super predators and other foul
>activity, so if we're gonna view her
>victories as tied to feminism, then
>that's a "victory" I suppose, no?
>
I don't like the electoral college but he did win fair and square under that system, I honestly just think yall are weak minded for trying so hard to say it has nothing to do with feminism, no offense but that just seems like a cowardly mentality and stance to take to avoid being called a buzzword, the first woman being nominated and the misogynist who will change laws have nothing to do with feminism? ok.


>As for the word games concerning the
>difference between "of" and "for",
>if I say "this is a loss for the
>Cowboys", no one assumes the efforts
>of the Cowboys aren't connected to that lol.
>
none of us will agree here but you went back to placing blame, which isn't what I was trying to do for the millionth time

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100. "Welp, I tried to have a respectful dialog with you."
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I wasn't here to defend feminism...
especially not representatives here
who resort to insults and mischaracterize
before trying to discuss anything, but
it's pretty clear now that yall are
all on the same page there.
Have fun!

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101. "just being honest"
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I think saying it has nothing to do with feminism at all is a weak way of thinking, and an aversion tactic for some, I don't agree with that and that's how I see it, as weak. My bad, wasn't tryin to insult you, I thought "no offense" would cover that.

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102. "It's all good. I just regret trying to level with you."
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You're double-talking and not owning
your views for some odd reason.
If anything's weak, it's that.
Do you tho.


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103. "lol"
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you are weak minded, and the fact you have issues with rjcc and lfresh is what brought you in here talking out the side of your mouth. Good luck with that.

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104. "My first reply to this post is #96"
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I figured your immature defensiveness
to #96 stemmed from them attacking you
and tried to let you know that isn't
necessary, but I see that's just how
you get down. Yall made for each other.

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105. "you're another joke"
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you carry your negative grudges with people on this board for weeks, if not months at a time and go so far as to bring up your personally archived quotes for arguments to separate posts, stop pretending like you have any cause to separate yourself from the people you have an issue with. I said some intentionally negative things in this post and some unintentionally, but you are clear case for being weak minded and negative for a long period of time, keep playing yourself.

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106. "Nah you're the joke here."
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Sat Nov-12-16 07:51 PM by Boogie Stimuli

          

Lol @ "negative grudges."
You're talking about 3 posters
(lfresh, SoWhat, and afrogirl_lost)
who I've pulled past posts on for
coming at me sideways. Don't act like
it's some laundry list... but don't
think I won't do again either lol.

I never denied doing any of that.
I will come for those who come for
me, and I don't hide from that at all.

The only separation I'm making
is that I'll never lead off with insults.
I'll try to level with you first.
If I come for you, you asked for it.
Are you asking? Talk like you got sense
and we'll be cool.

That's the only thing that's different
about me. Don't get it twisted.



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107. "resorting to lying"
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It's cool, you too weak minded to admit your post in #96 was about the issues you have with those people and you know you go at people first picking arguments, it's cool. Since you're so skilled at collecting posts count how many times you argued with people compared to how many times I have, lame. and do what you like, threats on a message board are. . . weak minded lmao

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108. "Feel free to point out the lie. It's clear you're projecting."
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#96 only references and/or defends
Denny, with whom I don't have issues,
so you're not even making sense at
this point.

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109. "lying about your actions overall"
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not the post specifically, if I got that wrong I got it wrong. But I guess you're gonna celebrate now right? and projecting what? you clearly did it in post #98 and deflecting from owning up to it so, keep playing yourself?

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110. "You're just fighting to save face at this point."
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>not the post specifically, if I got that wrong I got it
>wrong. But I guess you're gonna celebrate now right?

The fact you're wrong is its own reward.


>projecting what? you clearly did it in post #98 and deflecting
>from owning up to it so, keep playing yourself?

I already said in #104 that I mentioned
them later trying to give you an alibi
for your silly response to #96.
Now I know u don't need one.
Never said I didn't mention them.
I said they weren't why I entered the convo.
If they were, I would've entered long
before #96.
You're going in circles now.


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111. "nah"
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just wanted to watch you become overly defensive and own up to your lame actions, peace.

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112. "Sorry to disappoint."
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Peace 2 u too

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113. "you confessed to being a lame"
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and pretending like you came in for someone elses benefit is a nice cover for your grudges, keep up the good work.

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114. "More childish insults after you admitted to being wrong"
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Sad

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115. "nah"
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you openly admitted to what I accused you of, you like to lie and pretend like "people coming at you" justifies being overly defensive and bringing up old posts, but you're good on your feet, you'll be ok. peace.

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116. "Thing is, nobody brought up old posts in here."
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Sat Nov-12-16 10:01 PM by Boogie Stimuli

          

You're just throwing stuff, hoping
something sticks lol.

Me: This new angle of yours works,
but you weren't making sense before.

You: Well um.. what about when you
brought up old posts and your grudges
with lfresh and rjcc?!

lmao

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117. "you lost man"
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now you taking things out of order on purpose lmao take yo lame self to bed.

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118. "#winning"
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surprised you haven't said the whole
"rubber glue, rubs off me sticks to you"
line with all this 3rd grade attacking
you're doing.

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119. "im seriously laughing at you"
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you just intentionally removed chunks of the thread to make it look like right after what you want to frame as you complimenting/agreeing with me I immediately called you out for being passive and bringing up old posts. your attempt at trying to frame yourself as a nice guy is some bs lol

now you're backtracking to responses I gave to other people that don't apply to how you're responding other than your lame attempt to say I was projecting.

if there was anybody just arguing to argue at this point it's clearly you.

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120. "I'm laughing harder at you tho"
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All that typing to say nothing again.

LOL.

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121. "now you getting weak"
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no point to spell out, you don't have shit to say when I get you and you resorting to insults. You playing yourself but you probably just trying to get the last word too, I was out of boredom but now I see your little ego is bruised, chink in the armor.

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122. "I'm just giving you the argument you wanted."
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You really should thank me.

You're still doing the "rubs off me,
sticks to you" routine in saying
everything back that I said to you.
LOL.
I thought you'd have something better
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123. "you've been parroting for a while"
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so if I say you're repeating me then you can kick that again lmao, man you are lame.

as I said, you're lame and your ego won't let you stop replying, you got real desperate in this delusion that you're on top. I could type the home row and you would respond.

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124. "Look who's talking tho..."
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>your ego won't let you stop replying


You're trying to present your projections
as some type of grand insight.
I'm toying with you at this point.
Hilarity.

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125. "lmao"
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if you think that's what's going on here ok

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126. "So you wanna go for 200?"
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Double platinum, baby!

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127. "RE: So you wanna go for 200?"
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93. "I think this article says what you were trying to say"
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https://newrepublic.com/article/138624/hillary-clintons-celebrity-feminism-failure

"..the Democratic Party for years has packaged superficial progressivism as real social justice, and the Clinton campaign’s simpering celebrity feminism ultimately proved tone deaf to the vital women voters who were more concerned about their pocketbook than “grab them by the pussy.”

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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94. "good article, thanks"
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the part that stood out most to me is "It’s possible that white working-class women wouldn’t have rallied to any Democrat this year." and I have to add a big fat "because of racism" onto that.

They're right about the celebrity stunts though, I gotta work on my own prejudice because when I see "workin-class" to describe White folks I immediately think racist, redneck, rural, etc. But I bet the same people mad about Beyonce at the CMA's are the same people who aren't the least bit persuaded by Perry, Gaga, or Dunham.

but I was trying to say it was bad for feminism and coupled it with some bad examples/jokes, they straight up said trying to use feminism didn't work lol I'm not going there.

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128. "Trump took a big shyt on SJWs & whiny Libertarians "
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