PoppaGeorge Member since Nov 07th 2004 10384 posts
Mon Oct-03-16 11:29 PM
"Why don't we address cigarette smokers like the junkies they are?"
I mean really... Smokers can't live without their fix like heroin addicts. They huddle up outside of buildings all over the country huddled in packs when it's cold out sharing "squares", looking for smoke-able butts when they run out. Their drugs are a part of their weekly budget and they will forego essentials to get their fix.
Can we stop coddling them and start calling them "junkies"?
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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out? Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then? They don't want to call for peace then.
"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out? Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then? They don't want to call for peace then.
PoppaGeorge Member since Nov 07th 2004 10384 posts
Tue Oct-04-16 02:16 AM
4. "meh, my money is on artificial sweetner manufacturers cooking up " In response to Reply # 3
all of this "research".
As soon as the backlash against aspartame, neotame, sucralose, and acesulfame potassium kicked into high gear we very conveniently started seeing all of this "research" on sugar talmbout how evil it is.
I don't buy it for one moment.
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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out? Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then? They don't want to call for peace then.
PoppaGeorge Member since Nov 07th 2004 10384 posts
Tue Oct-04-16 10:40 AM
30. "40 years ago GD Searle was about to be brought up on criminal charges" In response to Reply # 5
>and p.s., the research on how harmful sugar is goes back 40 >years.
The first time in history that the FDA launched a criminal investigation into a company was for GD Searle and Donald Rumsfeld's constant push to get aspartame approved. It had already been banned by the FDA twice for it's negative health impact. The only reason it got approved was because Rumsfeld was appointed to Ronald Regan's transition team when he won election. Rumsfeld then installed people at the FDA specifically to approve aspartame.
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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out? Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then? They don't want to call for peace then.
9. "I call it what it is. Cigarette smokers are addicts" In response to Reply # 0
They get angry-as-fuck when they can't have a cigarette. Ask them if they can stop and they say shit like "I can, but I don't want to"
Classic addicts.
"Junkies" might be a stretch tho... it's not like they are not washing for three days because they are busy smoking cigarettes.
I *do* hate how they try to normalize cigarette smoking, like it's some shit that *should* be accepted in everyday life. The people that walk down crowded blocks smoking and blowing smoke all around other people have been bugging me recently.
It bothers me how smokers think it is acceptable to throw their cigarette butts on the ground. They would never litter with other garbage but tossing a butt is okay.
PoppaGeorge Member since Nov 07th 2004 10384 posts
Wed Oct-05-16 03:18 AM
55. "they'll also pick up a butt with enough tobacco left to take a drag" In response to Reply # 10
... light that bitch and smoke it without giving nary a fuck.
I've seen it happen..
... a lot...
... no really, a whole fucking lot...
... you have no fucking idea how often this happens...
... seriously, shit is real outchea. ---------------------------
"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out? Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then? They don't want to call for peace then.
11. "enlightened ppl who have empathy and aren't evil understand " In response to Reply # 0 Tue Oct-04-16 08:01 AM by SoWhat
that junkies are suffering from an addiction that's somewhat beyond their control. They need some sort of help to kick their habit. We understand that they began using whatever substance bc it feels good. And maybe they wanted an escape or to fit in and so they indulged over and over bc it feels good. And they keep going back for that good feeling. Maybe it got in the way of some part(s) of their life but they keep going back for that good feeling. We want them to quit bc we look from the outside. But we can't know all that drives them. Still we are waiting for them to see what we seem to see - that habit is a hurtful addiction that might do them harm or kill them someday. Plus the impact it could have on those around them. So we offer support when we can. But we know that offering harsh judgment won't encourage most of them to get help. It just drives them underground where they hide the addictive behavior and likely escalate it. Being underground exposes them to more dangerous substances sometimes. Which can make their whole situation worse. So we usually avoid that. But we can express our frustration with these ppl among ourselves. Which is what this post is - a temper tantrum from a whiny baby.
12. "RE: enlightened ppl who have empathy and aren't evil understand " In response to Reply # 11
>But we know that >offering harsh judgment won't encourage most of them to get >help. It just drives them underground where they hide the >addictive behavior and likely escalate it.
Except cigarettes are normalized. People smoke at work. In their car. In front of their kids. Outside of church. Etc.
The only people that are hiding this behaviour are minors and pregnant women. The vast majority has no shame.
TheAlbionist Member since Jul 04th 2011 3306 posts
Wed Oct-05-16 05:37 AM
57. "28 States have banned public smoking." In response to Reply # 12 Wed Oct-05-16 05:38 AM by TheAlbionist
It's been over here for the best part of 10 years.
Smoking is no longer considered "normal". In fact, it's a pain in the fucking ass being a smoker sometimes. I've never been an "indoor" smoker, but lots of offices don't even let you smoke out front anymore because of the "image" damage we cause to their brands.
But at least I don't spend my life with my lips glued to my own butthole treating the products of my intolerant bowels like a vintage wine.
PoppaGeorge Member since Nov 07th 2004 10384 posts
Tue Oct-04-16 10:47 AM
32. "any nigga that wants to be on a moral high horse..." In response to Reply # 11
... need not be the same nigga that got a few rapists, child abusers, wife beaters, and car jackers off from jail time last week.
Fuck you and your fake ass "enlightenment".
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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out? Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then? They don't want to call for peace then.
i could see if it only effected them but why do we have to die from that shit?
and people who smoke in their cars with kids in the back... shit is child abuse.
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
PoppaGeorge Member since Nov 07th 2004 10384 posts
Tue Oct-04-16 10:44 AM
31. "basically. Plus I had to walk through a cloud of smoke yesterday..." In response to Reply # 16
>or we just sh*ttin on addiction?
... to get to a client's office. Had about 10 people out front of the building just puffing away with zero regard for folks like myself that don't want to inhale their toxins.
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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out? Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then? They don't want to call for peace then.
17. "because maybe we shouldnt judge cigarette smokers or heroin addicts" In response to Reply # 0
some people are addicted to Jesus, sex, food, or cutting themselves
"junkie" has a pretty negative connotation for another human being who hasnt done anything to try harming me. I dont like how younger people act under the influence of certain drugs, but Im not talking bad about them
your coping mechanism might be different but everyone's problems come from similar places, be glad if you cant relate to certain things and try to have compassion for a person's condition
PoppaGeorge Member since Nov 07th 2004 10384 posts
Tue Oct-04-16 10:54 AM
35. "RE: because maybe we shouldnt judge cigarette smokers or heroin addicts" In response to Reply # 17
>"junkie" has a pretty negative connotation for another human >being who hasnt done anything to try harming me. I dont like >how younger people act under the influence of certain drugs, >but Im not talking bad about them
Second hand smoke harms you. Every time you inhale it you take steps towards cancer, and smokers really don't give a shit about how their addiction affects everyone around them when they get their fix.
>your coping mechanism might be different but everyone's >problems come from similar places, be glad if you cant relate >to certain things and try to have compassion for a person's >condition
I'll have compassion for them when they have compassion for other people that their "condition" directly affects.
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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out? Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then? They don't want to call for peace then.
41. "you're really reaching for reasons to judge smokers" In response to Reply # 35
if your argument was "smokers look like assholes", I get it
but second hand smoke cancer is a poor argument to stand on if kids arent involved
last week construction workers were saying hot tar on my block for multiple days, I closed my windows, held my breath or covered my nose like an adult while I was outside. the smell lingered for hours. walking through cigarette smoke for a few seconds isnt the same
53. "Others aren't forced to be affected by those other addictions tho." In response to Reply # 17 Tue Oct-04-16 11:01 PM by Boogie Stimuli
>addicted to Jesus
They rightfully get told to fuck off if they try to force that on anyone else
>sex
Forcing that on others is punishable by law. It's called rape.
>food
What you eat isn't bothering my body.
>or cutting themselves
My wrists are fine no matter how many times you cut your own.
We actually have to breathe smokers' smoke sometimes tho. As long as I don't have to breathe a person's smoke, I give zero fucks what we call it or why they do it.
PoppaGeorge Member since Nov 07th 2004 10384 posts
Wed Oct-05-16 12:17 AM
54. "I honestly can't believe that, in 2016, you still had to write all of th..." In response to Reply # 53
Shit should just be a given at this point:
Smokers affect everyone in their vicinity the moment they light up and exhale.
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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out? Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then? They don't want to call for peace then.
21. "bc it ain't illegal?" In response to Reply # 0
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legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79545 posts
Tue Oct-04-16 11:00 AM
36. "it cuts both ways.. " In response to Reply # 24
would you tap on a strangers shoulder to ask for a few chips?
I was in Atlantic City smoking a black (turrible, i was young) and this dude asked for a drag from my Black n Mild.
i just gave it to him... brother looked broke and pressed.
that shit is weird.
and let a stranger bum a cig from the same guy 2 days in a row on the street, that friendliness disappears quick as shit.
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
PoppaGeorge Member since Nov 07th 2004 10384 posts
Tue Oct-04-16 11:16 AM
40. "addicts are usually welcoming of folks with the same addicition" In response to Reply # 24 Tue Oct-04-16 11:19 AM by PoppaGeorge
You could meet someone in the bathroom of a club doing lines of coke, if you're a coke user you're probably happy to see that person and that person might just let you catch a lil of that 'cause both of y'all like to "party".
Meth and heroin addicts are like that as well. Alcoholics will pass a bottle around and talk shit, offer you a beer (unless it's their last one), or shots if they know you're also a drinker.
Drugs create camaraderie among like-minded people like any other pastime. When I'm in Cancun, Jamaica, or wherever I've met more people and had new "friends" pop up as soon as I break out a bottle of bourbon or while ordering at the resort's bars.
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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out? Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then? They don't want to call for peace then.
PoppaGeorge Member since Nov 07th 2004 10384 posts
Tue Oct-04-16 11:05 AM
39. "#31 for the basic explanation..." In response to Reply # 26
... but to expand on it 4 times yesterday I got the privilege of walking through clouds of second hand smoke in order to get to somewhere I had to go. The client's office was the worst of them. The gas station had a clerk and manager out front smoking while the trainee fumbled around trying to figure out how to let me use my rewards card with just the phone number. I had to go out front to tell them to get in there to help dude out 'cause they weren't about to come in until they took that last drag. In the parking lot at Wallyworld the car that parked next to me had a mother and children in the back seat. Moms was puffing up a storm, which naturally drifted out her cracked window to my face, but more disturbing than that was the fact that her kids are in there with no real ventilation (technically this was the worst offense because the kids were basically trapped breathing poisoned air). Finally I had to make a late night run to QT and, sure as shit, the clerk and a few of his cronies were outside smoking away in front of the door.
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"The general medical position is that nicotine itself poses few health risks, except among certain vulnerable groups."
"Some studies of continued use of nicotine replacement products in smokers who have stopped smoking found no adverse effects from months to several years...."
49. "that's why I discourage people from using nicotine replacement" In response to Reply # 43
The physical urge is INTENSE but it only lasts a few weeks. When I want a cigarette now, after 8 years, it's 100% emotional, and that never goes away. It gets easier, but it never goes away.
~ ~ ~ All meetings end in separation All acquisition ends in dispersion All life ends in death - The Buddha
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