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stravinskian
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"DNC love fest underway (convention post part 2)"


          


The other thread is reaching the usual critical mass where it takes too damn long to load. So I hereby propose we move the discussion of the events on days 3 and 4 over here.

So what's the plan for the coming days? The headliner for day 3 is Barack Obama. Someone just mentioned we'll have Mike Bloomberg as well (mneh... strategy and all that). Who else? At some point I think we'll hear from Joe Biden. And obviously Tim Kaine will have a prominent spot on Wednesday or Thursday.

Day 4 of course is the big close, where the headline will probably be that Hillary isn't as good a speaker as the headliners from the earlier nights. Maybe she'll benefit from low expectations, though. We'll also hear from whatever VP didn't speak on Wednesday. What else am I forgetting?

At any rate, this convention really seems to be coming together. Props to Bernie for working so hard for party unity, and to Michelle Obama for a speech for the ages.

  

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Nina Turner, credentials stripped, ejected from convention
Jul 26th 2016
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RE: Nina Turner, credentials stripped, ejected from convention
Jul 26th 2016
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He also said it's Bernie's fault if HRC doesn't win swing states
Jul 26th 2016
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      Get a grip. You're just swinging wildly at this point
Jul 26th 2016
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      LOFL. I almost wanna buy my G a drink
Jul 27th 2016
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      nope, just got the reference wrong, he was scapegoating Jill Stein for
Jul 27th 2016
54
           that's great, dude. where's the part about Nina being ejected?
Jul 27th 2016
56
                RE: where's the part about Nina being ejected?
Jul 27th 2016
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                Apparently, she was going to do what Tulsi Gabbard did anyway (swipe)
Jul 27th 2016
58
                     so, not stripped. not ejected
Jul 27th 2016
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                          IDK, I think you're debating the language used to describe the situation
Jul 28th 2016
129
                               when pressed Turner said Bernie was in a tough position
Jul 28th 2016
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                               No. The things you said happened didn't happen
Jul 28th 2016
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                                    no, what happened did happen
Jul 28th 2016
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                                         Post #1 didn't happen
Jul 28th 2016
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                                              RE: Some other things happened
Jul 28th 2016
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                                                   Break what down? You posted a link
Jul 28th 2016
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      He said he spoke
Jul 27th 2016
5
RE: Nina Turner, credentials stripped, ejected from convention
Jul 27th 2016
9
BHO to fast track TPP vote by Nov post HRC flip-flop
Jul 27th 2016
49
if i were her i'd be pissed at almost everyone right now.
Jul 27th 2016
50
RE: Nina Turner, credentials stripped, ejected from convention
Jul 27th 2016
53
      hot mess..she just told them to stop filming
Jul 27th 2016
55
Kaine, Biden, and Bo are scheduled for tmrw night
Jul 27th 2016
7
we can't forget the acapella theme from day two
Jul 27th 2016
8
what.the.fk.......???
Jul 27th 2016
36
disappointed with Bills speech, shit was a snoozer
Jul 27th 2016
10
I thought it set the tone...
Jul 27th 2016
11
it was aiight for the first 15 minutes...
Jul 27th 2016
14
RE: disappointed with Bills speech, shit was a snoozer
Jul 27th 2016
12
Yeah, that would have played huge. I was wondering if he'd go there.
Jul 27th 2016
16
he said good times and BAD times... lol
Jul 27th 2016
21
My homey wrote what he SHOULD have said....
Jul 27th 2016
18
      thats that old slick willy I wanted last night
Jul 27th 2016
22
      I don't know. It's a really fraught subject.
Jul 27th 2016
35
      infidelity is common... I wish people would stop acting
Jul 27th 2016
46
      except that would be a lie. She clearly flip flops when it suits her.
Jul 27th 2016
44
      ^correct....
Jul 27th 2016
51
Don't know about 'snoozer', but yeah, it wasn't like the old days.
Jul 27th 2016
13
They should have let Michelles people write his speech
Jul 27th 2016
15
Bill has lost a bit of his magic.
Jul 27th 2016
20
Disagree, convention speeches are scaffolding
Jul 27th 2016
25
Disagree, it capped off the theme of the night
Jul 27th 2016
39
he curved the SHxT out the 'school-to-prison-pipeline'
Jul 27th 2016
47
      RE: he curved the SHxT out the 'school-to-
Jul 27th 2016
52
i wonder what the strategy will be to shape hillary's image
Jul 27th 2016
17
I mean, that was kind of the point of Bill's speech
Jul 27th 2016
19
yea, i dont think that's enough
Jul 27th 2016
26
      what are her accomplishments?
Jul 27th 2016
33
           You should have stayed awake through Bill's speech.
Jul 27th 2016
42
                thx, I was awake but I kept zoning out
Jul 27th 2016
43
Bill just told us her life story...
Jul 27th 2016
23
A challenge for Hillary will be to highlight her recent profile
Jul 27th 2016
24
i would also like to see her achievements as senator of nyc highlighted
Jul 27th 2016
28
obama will touch on it tonight...
Jul 27th 2016
45
It's funny because a criticism we hear is "she's been in politics all he...
Jul 27th 2016
27
All in all they're having an excellent convention.
Jul 27th 2016
29
Yes - the contrast to the RNC Convention is astounding.
Jul 27th 2016
31
      DNC is really polished when it comes to visual comminication
Jul 27th 2016
32
seeing flotus... im literally in mourning
Jul 27th 2016
30
watch Head of State.
Jul 27th 2016
48
Fact check from the NO-SPIN ZONE: those slaves were very well fed.
Jul 27th 2016
34
its really amazing. but whats more scary
Jul 27th 2016
37
      Murdoch said a 2nd Obama term = more money!!
Jul 27th 2016
41
#never hillary's planning to leave the country if? encourage them
Jul 27th 2016
38
it seems like the convention is going very well for the Dems.
Jul 27th 2016
40
Fuckin Bernie Bros.
Jul 27th 2016
59
how dare they waste 30 secs of precious time
Jul 27th 2016
60
I missed it
Jul 27th 2016
63
there were brief anti-war chants while panetta was speaking
Jul 27th 2016
66
So is the next president allowed to have a defense secretary?
Jul 27th 2016
68
      well, no, it is about 30 seconds. because that's what it was.
Jul 27th 2016
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           Paraphrasing what Joy Reid just said...
Jul 27th 2016
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                RE: Paraphrasing what Joy Reid just said...
Jul 27th 2016
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                there are so many things wrong with your reaction
Jul 27th 2016
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                     They are dead to me
Jul 27th 2016
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                          there's no question that dem policies are better
Jul 28th 2016
119
bratty ass niggas.
Jul 27th 2016
62
what exactly is their end game?
Jul 28th 2016
133
Last minute prediction here:
Jul 27th 2016
61
uncle joe aint with the malarky!
Jul 27th 2016
64
people who whine about Bernie Bros are as obnoxious as Bernie Bros.
Jul 27th 2016
65
At this moment in history, nobody is as obnoxious as berniebros
Jul 27th 2016
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you see the split screen of Obama getting off Airforce 1
Jul 27th 2016
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This is gonna be Obama's walk out music
Jul 27th 2016
69
Obama running out like this https://youtu.be/qFe8mLAvNl8
Jul 27th 2016
71
Jesus Christ. Did the Russians infiltrate the make-up room?
Jul 27th 2016
75
kaine is impressively pandery, even for a politician.
Jul 27th 2016
78
black excellence up next.
Jul 27th 2016
79
Damn.
Jul 27th 2016
81
      bro i just stood up and clapped at my desk when they announced him lol.
Jul 27th 2016
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           I'm recording it at home.
Jul 27th 2016
85
my god that was deflating. this was the "safe choice" for VP?
Jul 27th 2016
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exact thoughts
Jul 27th 2016
83
don't boo...vote
Jul 27th 2016
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givin it to 'em
Jul 27th 2016
86
Anyone catch the shot of that brown skinned sista in the black dress?
Jul 27th 2016
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RE: Anyone catch the shot of that brown skinned sista in the black dress...
Jul 27th 2016
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During which speech?
Jul 27th 2016
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Obama, exactly when I posted. Lol
Jul 27th 2016
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https://s31.postimg.org/pb3uecwgr/Untitled0.png
Jul 28th 2016
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immaculate.
Jul 27th 2016
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man...
Jul 27th 2016
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Any chance we can repeal the 22nd amendment?
Jul 27th 2016
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I would take another term of Obama as a compromise.
Jul 27th 2016
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for real though
Jul 27th 2016
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he will be missed
Jul 29th 2016
252
Who need a ride to go vote
Jul 27th 2016
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gon miss that dude
Jul 27th 2016
93
That's my president. he's fucking amazing
Jul 27th 2016
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I hope he's not the best we ever see,
Jul 27th 2016
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      He is 1 of 1
Jul 27th 2016
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           ^^^^well put
Jul 27th 2016
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my only fear is that after these poignant passionate speeches
Jul 27th 2016
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God Almighty that was powerful
Jul 27th 2016
97
yeah man axe getting choked up.
Jul 27th 2016
103
^ Privileged to catch some of that live.
Jul 27th 2016
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we got decades more coming from the obama family, so exciting
Jul 27th 2016
99
There will never be another
Jul 27th 2016
101
david brooks is more than kind of a piece of shit
Jul 27th 2016
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what's his problem now?
Jul 28th 2016
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      his reaction to every speech was fearmongering
Jul 28th 2016
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Obama gave the right wings acid reflux
Jul 27th 2016
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we need to take back religion also. and the economy. and foreign policy....
Jul 28th 2016
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missed all of today :o(
Jul 27th 2016
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Yes, especially Barack, but that goes without saying.
Jul 28th 2016
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      Bloomberg's was such pure ether
Jul 28th 2016
115
      just watched obama (its 3 a.m)
Jul 28th 2016
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           wow, akon. i'm moved just reading your reaction to the speech.
Jul 28th 2016
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                Seconded.
Jul 28th 2016
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                thanks. i hadnt expected to be *that* moved, tbh.
Jul 29th 2016
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Re-watched BO's speech, maybe the best I've ever seen
Jul 28th 2016
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Barack is the GOAT presidential speaker
Jul 28th 2016
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4 more years!
Jul 28th 2016
118
Yeah, Joe Video would have wiped the floor with Trump
Jul 28th 2016
121
I read this 5 times... what are you trying to say?
Jul 28th 2016
122
translation: if biden had run and gotten nominated, trump would be toast
Jul 28th 2016
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thx... lol
Jul 28th 2016
124
shit, lol
Jul 28th 2016
125
Damn Autocorrect. How does Biden = Video?
Jul 28th 2016
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      autocorrect tried to save you bruh...
Jul 28th 2016
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           RE: autocorrect tried to save you bruh...
Jul 28th 2016
135
Watching right now. Joe aint fucking around
Jul 29th 2016
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schedule for today looks exhausting
Jul 28th 2016
128
*frown* just watching panetta's speech
Jul 28th 2016
130
Still emotional from Obama's speech
Jul 28th 2016
132
Yo, so my homegirls' girl ran into Biden on the DNC floor.
Jul 28th 2016
139
it's crazy he's almost five years older than bill and dubya
Jul 28th 2016
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      Especially considering how much time off W took
Jul 28th 2016
147
Finally caught Biden's speech.
Jul 28th 2016
146
today's theme is so critical. human rights
Jul 28th 2016
148
twitter keeps alluding to bernie or bust
Jul 28th 2016
149
Seppuku
Jul 28th 2016
152
I'm assuming there will be some sort of disruption
Jul 28th 2016
157
dems just trolling republicans! A+
Jul 28th 2016
150
That "Mr. Trump, you're no Ronald Reagan" line will be a sound byte.
Jul 28th 2016
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Slow down, reverend, you're about to make the building fall over!
Jul 28th 2016
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lol! i was just about to write that i feel like im in church!
Jul 28th 2016
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      Jesus Christ tell me you 2 are on the payroll
Jul 28th 2016
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           I don't cheer for sports teams.
Jul 28th 2016
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           sports are fun
Jul 29th 2016
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           That was rather Noam Chomsky-iam
Jul 29th 2016
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           ah yes! that must be it!
Jul 29th 2016
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           aint no too far bih.
Jul 29th 2016
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kareem abdul jabar!!
Jul 28th 2016
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can we get an A++ for trolling? bring out the generals!
Jul 28th 2016
156
completely shitted on the trump false military bravado.
Jul 28th 2016
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      RE: completely shitted on the trump false military bravado.
Jul 28th 2016
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      im just laughing now
Jul 28th 2016
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These idiots try to chant down a man who lost his leg in Afghanistan.
Jul 28th 2016
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RE: These idiots try to chant down a man who lost his leg in Afghanistan...
Jul 28th 2016
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i wouldnt at all be mad if they tased these protestors.
Jul 28th 2016
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anyone who went to the RNC should be demanding a refund
Jul 28th 2016
164
It's hard to see Chelsea Clinton and not think the daughter from VEEP.
Jul 28th 2016
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This convention is pretty well orchestrated.
Jul 28th 2016
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strategically, they're running a 5-star program via diversification
Jul 28th 2016
192
elmo, blueberries, grandma
Jul 28th 2016
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whole speech coming off like a strategic word cloud.
Jul 28th 2016
168
I don't think it's bad, she intones a lot like her mom.
Jul 28th 2016
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LOL. Good catch.
Jul 28th 2016
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LOL
Jul 28th 2016
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Yaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwn! Can she stop Talking.
Jul 28th 2016
169
Tim Kaine was actually caught on camera yawning.
Jul 28th 2016
172
      Tim Kaine looks like he could pull a John Edwards
Jul 28th 2016
201
           Kaine looks like a dude that got the weirdest porn folder
Jul 28th 2016
215
Is Chelsea Clinton worth 50 million dollars?
Jul 28th 2016
174
Pastor Barber and the Kahn's moment were 2 of the
Jul 28th 2016
175
I wish every American could see Mr. Kahn's speech.
Jul 28th 2016
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      yep. the people who need to be watching aren't
Jul 29th 2016
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           I'm being that guy sharing it on Facebook,
Jul 29th 2016
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they got Morgan Freeman narrating..pulled out the big guns
Jul 28th 2016
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did i miss the part where she accepted the nomination?
Jul 28th 2016
178
I assume that'll come somewhere in the middle of the speech.
Jul 28th 2016
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      ah there we go.
Jul 28th 2016
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           There it is. The Sanders supporters were getting excited
Jul 28th 2016
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                lol itd be hilarious if they intentionally trolled em.
Jul 28th 2016
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                     RE: lol itd be hilarious if they intentionally trolled em.
Jul 28th 2016
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Hillary, get off Bernie's dick
Jul 28th 2016
Hillary, get off Bernie's dick
Jul 28th 2016
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You're not listening to her. Stronger together.
Jul 28th 2016
183
This convention has made me proud and hopeful for my country.
Jul 28th 2016
180
how can people overlook 'super-predator'?
Jul 28th 2016
181
Because the alternative says worse shit practically daily?
Jul 28th 2016
185
like what?
Jul 28th 2016
191
      clearly nothing
Jul 28th 2016
230
Barack's argument last night was that everybody makes mistakes.
Jul 28th 2016
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um, no..i don't know what he's talking about
Jul 28th 2016
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LULZ I'm dyin....
Jul 28th 2016
221
      Who the fuck ever said all is forgotten?
Jul 28th 2016
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I actually think the convention has nailed that rhetorically.
Jul 28th 2016
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i hope you're right
Jul 28th 2016
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      i mean it's a thin line, but they're obviously running like it's '64
Jul 29th 2016
269
'I shouldn't have used those words.' (c) Sec. Clinton (link)
Jul 28th 2016
195
Same woman talkinbout dodging bullets on the Tarmac -- survey says
Jul 28th 2016
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get out of your feelings...
Jul 28th 2016
203
Who are you voting for? Let me tell you. Hillary. Now go sit down
Jul 28th 2016
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lol
Jul 28th 2016
240
at this point? just vote your conscience
Jul 28th 2016
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she has terrible delivery
Jul 28th 2016
184
dude..I was jus gon say....
Jul 28th 2016
188
Walks like duck + talks like duck = duck
Jul 28th 2016
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hurry and get her off the stage
Jul 28th 2016
190
*rolls eyes*
Jul 28th 2016
200
Oh so you can't even cop
Jul 28th 2016
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      See post 226.
Jul 28th 2016
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           RE: See post 226.
Jul 28th 2016
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           you lose what little credibility you have when you deny
Jul 29th 2016
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                *rolls eyes again*
Jul 29th 2016
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                     it's OK bruh..
Jul 29th 2016
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yea. she's not good at this
Jul 28th 2016
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      RE: yea. she's not good at this
Jul 29th 2016
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LOL @ niggas more impatient with her than they were with kaine
Jul 28th 2016
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impatient?bored? okay chief
Jul 28th 2016
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Right. Look at all those non Black Tears.
Jul 28th 2016
209
This is a weird direction
Jul 28th 2016
202
Holy shit...she looped from disabilities to we kilt osama
Jul 28th 2016
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Wrong spot
Jul 28th 2016
211
stop showing pics of bill clinton
Jul 28th 2016
210
somebody pass this nigga a throat lozenge.
Jul 28th 2016
212
that shit was annoying
Jul 29th 2016
255
      She is human
Jul 29th 2016
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           I thought she was a robot
Jul 29th 2016
274
Citizens United - imagine if Hilldog got hers
Jul 28th 2016
213
Can someone explain all this unity talk?
Jul 28th 2016
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It's like the second oldest American political meme
Jul 28th 2016
217
zzzzz. im turning this shit off.
Jul 28th 2016
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she's kinda showing her ass by ripping wall street
Jul 28th 2016
219
Im tellin ya..get her off lol..give her 20 min tops
Jul 28th 2016
220
      never thought i'd hear tweet and nuclear weapons in the same sentence
Jul 28th 2016
224
I enjoyed her speech
Jul 28th 2016
225
Fuck what people are saying. This is a damn good speech.
Jul 28th 2016
226
she recovered but mutherufcker stfu with the sexist accusation bs
Jul 28th 2016
228
Don't take it personally
Jul 28th 2016
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      its sexist not being able to cri..ya know what? uh uh
Jul 28th 2016
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           ^ Came very close to an argument we heard dozens of times from Cleveland...
Jul 28th 2016
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Yep...and she is hoarse probably from practicing
Jul 28th 2016
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It's good enough. She's got some hot lines.
Jul 28th 2016
231
This is when okp needs a like button
Jul 28th 2016
234
sheeit. we've been spoilt by the obamas. excellent speech, yes
Jul 28th 2016
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that's the thing
Jul 28th 2016
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It was a good speech
Jul 28th 2016
243
it was excellent speech...
Jul 29th 2016
245
if the objective was to restore faith in american exceptionalism
Jul 28th 2016
244
Hillary's not the orator that Barack/Bill/Michelle is. And that's okay.
Jul 29th 2016
246
DNC was about America. RNC was about Trump
Jul 29th 2016
247
Clinton on Foreign Policy tonight
Jul 29th 2016
248
the way she transitioned from Russia to ISIS was scary
Jul 29th 2016
256
I've never been satisfied with her foreign policies, honestly.
Jul 29th 2016
266
she is and always has been on that Cheney
Jul 29th 2016
286
Khizr Khan's speech was so damn powerful
Jul 29th 2016
249
definitely a powerful moment....
Jul 29th 2016
250
FOX NEWS--Khzir Khan? Nothing to see here! (SWIPE)
Jul 29th 2016
254
DNC put their foot in it.. that was a great convention. BUT.....
Jul 29th 2016
258
My ?, where's all the Bern is asking for too much folks
Jul 29th 2016
261
yup...ironic
Jul 29th 2016
263
LOL, no. Bernie was making promises he could never keep.
Jul 29th 2016
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      all politicians make promises they can't keep... smh
Jul 29th 2016
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      RE: LOL, I missed the part where you disagree with me
Jul 29th 2016
272
           http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr05/2013/7/8/3/anigif_enhan...
Jul 29th 2016
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           What are you talking about, "last hour of the convention"?
Jul 29th 2016
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                BWAHAHA @she woulda got there on her own = GTFOHWTBS
Jul 29th 2016
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                     Have you ever watched a state of the union address in your life?
Jul 29th 2016
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                          so you're saying Bernie is just a typical Democrat after all...?
Jul 29th 2016
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                               A standard Democrat, but not very good at it.
Jul 29th 2016
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                                    http://tinyurl.com/jnxc8f8
Jul 29th 2016
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                                         Haha... strav has gone full retard
Jul 29th 2016
289
                                         LOL, by Strav's logic, HRC is 93% fucking idiot.
Jul 29th 2016
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                                         What did he ever actually propose that Obama didn't propose first,
Jul 29th 2016
292
                                              TPP, Israel and Citizens United are major points of contention
Jul 30th 2016
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RE: DNC put their foot in it.. that was a great convention. BUT.....
Jul 29th 2016
264
they were both weak... like really weak.
Jul 29th 2016
280
I'm guessing Hillary re-takes a firm lead after this. If Putin doesn't
Jul 29th 2016
262
It's been a much-needed, emotionally re-assuring convention.
Jul 29th 2016
288
http://youtu.be/UxT5ApUti1M
Jul 29th 2016
285
Ummm, 2M more people watched Trump's speech than HRC
Jul 29th 2016
293
a few things
Jul 29th 2016
294
it means we have been there and done that regarding HRC speaking
Jul 30th 2016
297
Trump "I was going to hit one guy in particular, a very little guy."
Jul 29th 2016
295
he dont want it with mikey mossberg.
Jul 29th 2016
296
As DNC closes, slimetime donors slide back into Clinton campaign
Jul 30th 2016
299
Slimetime???
Jul 30th 2016
300

bentagain
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1. "Nina Turner, credentials stripped, ejected from convention "
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2. "RE: Nina Turner, credentials stripped, ejected from convention "
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Ben Jealous said the stories are false.

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3. "He also said it's Bernie's fault if HRC doesn't win swing states "
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U NAH T (c)

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4. "Get a grip. You're just swinging wildly at this point"
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6. "LOFL. I almost wanna buy my G a drink"
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like chill bruh damn

  

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54. "nope, just got the reference wrong, he was scapegoating Jill Stein for"
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HRC

the pre-emptive plea cop

"And the reality is that, yes, we need third parties. And you know what? I would defend the rights—I mean, I’ve gone to jail, frankly, in multiple states defending people’s rights to participate. I believe there should be third parties. I’ve fought for ranked choice voting. I would love to see you guys get somebody to be mayor of Oakland, and not just Richmond. But the reality is that what you do is you start with the presidency, and you don’t think about the consequences. For you to sit here and suggest that people should vote for you in swing states is irresponsible.

And the reality is that if a Trump is in the White House, yes, we will blame a lot of things, and we will talk about all the dumb mistakes, and, yes, we should have had Bernie Sanders, who absolutely was polling much higher and is strong—we can go through all of that. We will do all that Monday morning quarterbacking. We will also talk about the role of the Green Party. If you guys are going to actually go in there and—you know, people have a choice between, yes, a neoliberal, a neofascist and the Green Party; let’s be honest, voting for the Green Party in a swing state helps the neofascist."

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56. "that's great, dude. where's the part about Nina being ejected?"
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57. "RE: where's the part about Nina being ejected?"
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I believe it was on twitter...?

#ImWithNina

The story is being walked back to 'mistreated'

former D Sen from Ohio

active in Bern's campaign, and potential VP nominee

U NAH T (c)

I'll wait for her to speak on it

doubt anybody is arguing that something DIDN'T happen.

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58. "Apparently, she was going to do what Tulsi Gabbard did anyway (swipe)"
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http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2016/07/bernie_sanders_backer_nina_tur.html

Nina Turner, the former state senator from Ohio who emerged as one of Bernie Sanders' most passionate champions, planned to deliver a speech nominating Sanders for president at the Democratic National Convention.

But Turner, in a telephone interview Wednesday with cleveland.com, said that when she arrived here Tuesday at the Wells Fargo Center, she was barred from going backstage. Instead, she was sent to speak with Sanders' staff.

"They would not allow it," Turner said.

Turner would not elaborate on who made the decision. A Sanders representative did not immediately respond to a request for comment. Nor did spokesmen for Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton or the Democratic National Committee.

But Turner had ruffled feathers among the Clinton team and DNC. Even as Sanders came to the realization that his campaign had fallen short of Clinton's, Turner remained one of his top surrogates. She had been critical of how outgoing DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz presided over primary season. And there were efforts this week by Sanders' fans to nominate her for vice president instead of Virginia Sen. Tim Kaine, whom Clinton chose as her running mate.

The bitterness dates to last fall, when Turner switched her allegiance to Sanders. The former Cleveland city councilwoman and high-ranking Ohio Democratic Party leader was among Clinton's early backers. Former President Bill Clinton helped raise money for her unsuccessful Ohio secretary of state run in 2014.

Turner said Wednesday that she and Rep. Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii had been set to deliver speeches placing Sanders' name in nomination. The Tuesday exercise was meant to show respect for the Vermont senator's loyal supporters, even though Clinton had more than enough pledged delegates for a first-ballot nomination.

Gabbard gave her speech as planned. Turner was replaced.

Sanders ended the subsequent roll call by asking for a unanimous convention vote in Clinton's favor. But some of his allies remained frustrated and walked out of the arena to stage a silent protest. And later that night, false reports spread that the DNC and Clinton campaign had stripped Turner of her convention credentials.

A group of Sanders supporters -- including Hollywood stars Danny Glover and Susan Sarandon -- protested Turner's exclusion at a Wednesday evening rally and news conference staged inside the convention's media filing center.

Reporters outnumbered the demonstrators. Many in the crowd could be heard asking, "Who is Nina Turner?" or incorrectly describing her biography.

Turner and a spokeswoman both told cleveland.com earlier Wednesday that she had no involvement in the event and would not attend. But Turner arrived about an hour after it began, as only Sarandon a few stragglers remained.

"Thank you, Nina!" they called out as news cameras swarmed her.

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76. "so, not stripped. not ejected"
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but some other shit

that said, Hoping for good things for her and Tulsi

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129. "IDK, I think you're debating the language used to describe the situation"
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instead of focusing on the situation

Nina was a Democratic Senator

this isn't a Bernie Bro thing

+2 Black Female, at this DNC

she was going to give a token salute to Bern, then Tulsi would second, then Bern would move to nominate HRC <-- the last 2 happened anyway

it wasn't that big of a deal to begin with

but she was silenced

IDK what exactly you're defending here

IRT the security issues

I would assume if you are removed from the speaking schedule and never notified <-- her official statement

I would assume that compounds into being denied access to the stage and probably removed from the area

stripped clearance and ejected could be the same thing as removed from the speaking schedule

$.02

anyway, it goes to my bigger point

nobody is going to argue whether she's a democrat

how is this unifying the party?

Trump sat front row for Cruz's speech

and everybody was beside themselves at how protesters were being treated at his rallies

same fire ya'll.

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134. "when pressed Turner said Bernie was in a tough position"
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pretty sure this is the DNC shutting her out and using Bernie's people to do it so,it doesnt appear like HRC and them are behind it.

Especially if Bill helped raise funds for her and then she switched to Bernie...

its politics and if they scratch your back and you put a knife in theirs by switching endorsements best believe you wont be speaking at the convention.

of course they wont own it and say they forced her off or stripped her of credentials but yall niggas know thats exactly what happened when it all went down.

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136. "No. The things you said happened didn't happen"
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I'm not "defending" anything. I'm pointing out that the things you and others claimed happened didn't happen.

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137. "no, what happened did happen"
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I would imagine a bystander might describe what happened as originally reported

this isn't a HS talent show

this event has top level security

if you are removed from the speaking schedule

without being notified

I would imagine, with secret service crawling throughout the venue

that you wouldn't have access to be where she was anymore

so yes, IMO, what happened onsite, w/o notice, was that her credentials to be backstage were revoked and she was escorted from that area

again, I don't understand what you're debating

that it didn't happen

that it didn't happen as originally reported

???

I'll let you tell me what happened

go...

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138. "Post #1 didn't happen"
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Some other things happened

I don't even know what you're rambling on about at this point

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140. "RE: Some other things happened"
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break it down for me 1 time

what happened?

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143. "Break what down? You posted a link"
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Your link doesn't confirm your claim in post 1

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5. "He said he spoke "
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to her, it's on his twitter.

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9. "RE: Nina Turner, credentials stripped, ejected from convention "
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>same fire ya'll


I support your right to dissent...To take a stand...U have been very clear and concise about why u cannot support the Democratic nominee...

But at the very least u can do so without peddling bullshit...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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49. "BHO to fast track TPP vote by Nov post HRC flip-flop"
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this $hit writes itself.

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50. "if i were her i'd be pissed at almost everyone right now."
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seems like the dnc legitimately fucked her over but that people are misrepresenting it for their own interests.

also looks likely (but i can't call it) some bernie-or-busters are championing her without her willing involvement.

but really hard to tell because i can't find much directly from her, just vague tweets from yesterday and a couple vague phone interviews.

  

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53. "RE: Nina Turner, credentials stripped, ejected from convention "
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She is about to speak at a press conference, livestreamed by The Real News Network

http://therealnews.com/t2/

  

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55. "hot mess..she just told them to stop filming"
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after quite a few minutes of prepprepprepprep that seemed pretty haphazard.

glover and sarandon there, i don't like that.

and after hours to clarify today, they're running out of time before stuff starts happening on the floor.

this is not a good look.

  

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7. "Kaine, Biden, and Bo are scheduled for tmrw night "
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Bill's speech tonight was so good...making that personal connection like only he can, reminding the electorate that Hillary is a real person, reminded the electorate of all her social service.

To that last point, the "mothers of the struggle" was so damn powerful. If you weren't touched by that, you have no emotion.

The planning and strategy of the election thus far has been excellent. Day 1 showing the progressiveness of the platform while acknowledging the Bernie supporters and Day 2 personalizing Hillary to the electorate. Tomorrow nights docket headlined by Barack, I cannot wait to hear it.

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8. "we can't forget the acapella theme from day two"
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i fucking love this mess.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YttscNOoAjA

base is going to be smiling so hard. some people are gonna be so mad. elizabeth banks is a national treasure.

  

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36. "what.the.fk.......???"
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IG: amadu_me

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10. "disappointed with Bills speech, shit was a snoozer"
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11. "I thought it set the tone..."
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he laid the foundation
history
who she is
what she's become
tonight they'll make the case....

  

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14. "it was aiight for the first 15 minutes... "
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but it never picked up steam.

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12. "RE: disappointed with Bills speech, shit was a snoozer"
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It started slow but came around and ended really strong. Still think since he went thru the story he should have mentioned his big mistake and how hard it was for her, would have been more empathetic rather than ignoring it all together.

  

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16. "Yeah, that would have played huge. I was wondering if he'd go there."
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On the other hand, it also could have come off as manipulative and calculating to get quite so personal in a convention speech. So they might have considered it and decided against it.

He did talk about how she put her budding career on hold to follow him, and that he hopes it wasn't a mistake. I wish he'd pushed that a little bit harder, because I'm sure it would have connected with a lot of people.

  

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21. "he said good times and BAD times... lol"
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i dont think bringing up the obvious would be a good idea.

did he really call Hillarys momma crusty? lmao

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18. "My homey wrote what he SHOULD have said...."
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"Hillary is tough and loyal, and will not shirk from the high glare of scrutiny caused by the floodlight of controversy; I know this for a fact, because when I fell woefully short of expectations and certainly wasn't at my best, Hillary stood with me, forgave me and continued to fight for me, my presidency and for our country. Hillary stood firm with me against all odds, and she will do the same for you, the people of America"


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22. "thats that old slick willy I wanted last night"
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35. "I don't know. It's a really fraught subject."
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I read what you wrote and my initial impression is that it sounds like: "She's a good woman because she stands by her man." That's literally something that she said she *doesn't* do at the beginning of their career in national politics, and it undermines a lot of the feminist story that they're trying to play up.

I agree that "she'll stick by you (the country) even when it's hard" is a good angle. But infidelity is an extremely touchy subject, and I can see why they would be very cautious about it.

  

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46. "infidelity is common... I wish people would stop acting"
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like its the end of the world.

shit hurts, it's ugly, it's messy...

but the whole "why did she stay, why didn't she leave" is frustrating.

nothing an SO does after infidelity will turn the clock back. It's really none of our damn business what a person does once they find out they been played.

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44. "except that would be a lie. She clearly flip flops when it suits her. "
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but hey she'll definitely get our superpredators in check.

  

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51. "^correct...."
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The whole speech would have felt a little more genuine if he just adknowledge it like that and painted it as an asset to her character. The whole love story bit of his speech kinda made me cringe, not because of what he did but because it made the omission more glaring.
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13. "Don't know about 'snoozer', but yeah, it wasn't like the old days."
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It was kind of a challenging dynamic. He couldn't talk policy, or people would claim he's running for a third term. It was a 'presidential spouse' speech, which he's not used to giving, and we're not at all used to seeing from him.

But for the most part I'd say it did its job. Middle America will like the personal stories. And the stuff about the 'made-up Hillary' is crucial.

  

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15. "They should have let Michelles people write his speech"
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I get the policy part but i expected a few darts that would get the crowd energized.

felt like i was at a wedding reception

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20. "Bill has lost a bit of his magic."
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That speech was boring - and in some instances - quite awkward.
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25. "Disagree, convention speeches are scaffolding"
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This was intended to recapture her humanity which was stripped away during the RNC. He described the evolution of their relationship and described her work as an agent of change at a young age. That thread will carry through as Biden and Obama talk about her recent work. These speeches should not be judged within a vacuum.

  

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39. "Disagree, it capped off the theme of the night"
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Personalizing Hillary and her work in social justice. In terms of the latter, the "mothers of the movement" was so powerful...there's no way anyone could watch that and not have some emotions stirred.

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47. "he curved the SHxT out the 'school-to-prison-pipeline'"
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"why are so many young African American boys getting locked up with adult criminals..." or something to that effect.

It wasn't the locking em up that was problematic..you just don't want em with adults.

I mean that $hit was smooth. He basically sold her to the country. I think the 'real vs. made-up' part was pretty clever. It was all bullshit but it sounded good.

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52. "RE: he curved the SHxT out the 'school-to-"
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And some how turned black lives matter=African vaccines lol
I'm sitting here like dis MF.
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17. "i wonder what the strategy will be to shape hillary's image"
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i feel like at this point its been decades of smearing (since the health-care reform debacle- what was that, 1994?)
you almost never hear of any good things she has ever done
and i think a lot of it is because there has been an unprecedented level of a hate campaign
against hillary
i mean... lets just try and compare what she goes through vs what bill clinton goes through
(and most of the shit on her plate is because of him!)

how will the dems/hillary reclaim her image?


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19. "I mean, that was kind of the point of Bill's speech"
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He was saying, "Hillary is extremely smart and qualified and a lot of great things I did or tried to do while I was governor and president were her ideas. "

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26. "yea, i dont think that's enough"
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bill did a really good job talking about her accomplishments- way better than she would have
but i don't think that's going to be enough
and i think part of this campaign has to be about showcasing her achievements
all we constantly hear about are her failures (it feels like she's almost the only politician who is never allowed to make a mistake, or change her mind, or to be ambitious)

it would be great to shift the narrative from, 'im voting for her because she is the only option'
to the fact that she has some pretty good accomplishments under her belt
and we should be proud to vote for her, because despite the numerous attempts to take her down,
she's still standing
some failures yes, but i dont think these outweigh the accomplishments
(and im saying this even after i wanted her crucified when she was campaigning against bho)

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33. "what are her accomplishments? "
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i keep hearing about her education and being a senator and Sec of State but what has she done once in these positions that we can hang our hat on?

no snark... I'm curious, maybe murph and strav can list them off.

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42. "You should have stayed awake through Bill's speech."
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He listed off a whole string of them, from college through the State Department.

The most obvious ones:

The Children's Health Insurance Program

The health care initiative, which would have become a national single-payer system if they could overcome a senate filibuster; and the plan in the 2008 campaign, which eventually became a closer blueprint to Obamacare than even Obama's plan.

The Copenhagen Climate summit, the first ever time that China and India agreed to rules on carbon pollution.

Funding for first and second responders after 9-11. (probably not a hard sell in that climate, but points are points)

Small business initiatives throughout New York State. I lived in Ithaca while she was in office and this was a big deal for the upstate and rural areas.

The sanctions regime on Iran that eventually forced them into the nuclear deal.

This is just what comes to mind off the top of the head. Bill also mentioned a bunch of other things that aren't as well known, like her founding of the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, a non-profit advocacy group that's still active today, or her work collecting evidence to force desegregation of schools.

  

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43. "thx, I was awake but I kept zoning out"
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23. "Bill just told us her life story... "
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it lacked the fire i expected but he gave us 45 minutes of who she was before the WH

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24. "A challenge for Hillary will be to highlight her recent profile"
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In his speech last night - Bill focused on pre-Senator Clinton last night in his speech - who certainly is a figure that I can respect and get behind a bit. I thought she was an exceptional First Lady - and as Bill noted last night - she did some considerably good things early in her career.

However - what causes a lot of progressives to pause is her record after she become a Senator and subsequently Sec. of State. It was during this period of her ascent to power that she gained the reputation of being cozy to Wall Street, big banks, and the Foreign Policy Establishment. While this period gave her the on-paper credentials that are undeniably impressive - it's also what causes many to be concerned about where her focus/interests will be as President.

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28. "i would also like to see her achievements as senator of nyc highlighted"
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again, i don't think anyone should shirk against showing her positives and negatives
this is how we make informed decisions
i dont expect perfection

i also don't think she was an ineffective new york senator
as secy, she does the president's bidding
with benghazi, we've totally allowed the gop to run the narrative
libya - yes, it was a complete utter failure on the u.s' part, and for not doing more in syria
i would like to know what decisions she was responsible for
and perhaps the rationale behind them

i will definitely be reading up on the latter period of her work
and trying to sift through the noise to find the signal.

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45. "obama will touch on it tonight..."
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27. "It's funny because a criticism we hear is "she's been in politics all he..."
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which is only a slander if you think the government is all bad.

However, I will say that I have a hard time identifying her works pre-white house and afterwards.

Bill mentioned a bunch of things I have never heard about her.

Those talking points need to be out there.


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29. "All in all they're having an excellent convention."
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There was zero mention of any protests yesterday, at least on the TV coverage. No one has made any real bad mistakes. If it continues this way I'm guessing she'll make up alot of the ground she lost to Trump's bounce.

  

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31. "Yes - the contrast to the RNC Convention is astounding. "
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It's literally a tale of two countries: one wanting to go backwards; the other proudly moving forward (hopefully)

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32. "DNC is really polished when it comes to visual comminication"
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30. "seeing flotus... im literally in mourning"
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>Props to Bernie for working so hard for party unity,
>and to Michelle Obama for a speech for the ages.


i need to spend the next few months preparing for when they leave the white house
this family has been truly inspiring.

i probably will never see another Black american (and democratic) president in my lifetime
(although I am hopeful)

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48. "watch Head of State."
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34. "Fact check from the NO-SPIN ZONE: those slaves were very well fed."
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Yeah, I know, Bill's just trying to get people talking about him again. Still, I have a hard time seeing how this could possibly go well for him.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2016/07/27/fox-newss-bill-oreilly-vouches-for-slaves-living-conditions/

Fox News’s Bill O’Reilly vouches for slaves’ living conditions
By Erik Wemple (Washington Post) July 27 at 10:24 AM

PHILADELPHIA — On Monday night in a widely praised speech here at the Democratic National Convention, first lady Michelle Obama made a poignant observation about her life and race in America: “I wake up every morning in a house that was built by slaves, and I watch my daughters — two beautiful, intelligent, black young women — playing with their dogs on the White House lawn.”

Within minutes, PolitiFact confirmed the factual rigor of Obama’s claim. The New York Times also did a write-up: “Yes, Slaves Did Help Build the White House.”

On his Tuesday night program, however, Fox News host Bill O’Reilly felt he still had something to add to the conversation. “Slaves did participate in the construction of the White House,” O’Reilly said, noting that “free blacks, whites and immigrants also worked on the massive building.”

Then: “Slaves that worked there were well fed and had decent lodgings provided by the government,” the host said. Thanks, O’Reilly, for the context. For even more context, try Jesse J. Holland’s book “The Invisibles: The Untold Story of African American Slaves in the White House,” which notes, “With the invention of steam shovels still several years away, these slaves dug for the clay on site with hand shovels, working day and night to get the raw material to the skilled brick makers and at the same time, opening up ground on the site for the space that would become the White House’s foundation and cellar.”

Bolding added to suggest one reason why these slaves were fed — they were working like slaves. “Digging up clay was unskilled, tedious and backbreaking work,” writes Holland. As to the “decent” lodging, Holland notes that a “barn” was built for the workers. Is that “decent” lodging? “It wouldn’t be a leap to say the living conditions in a barn were much less comfortable than in a house,” Holland said in an interview with the Erik Wemple Blog.

A “steady diet of pork and bread” was provided to slaves in quarries supplying stone for construction of the president’s house, according to Holland’s book, though the author cautions against any conclusion that these folks were “well fed.” “It’s hard to think they got all the food they wanted when they wanted it and all the food they needed when they needed it,” said Holland. “What does ‘well fed’ mean? When you don’t have a choice about what you eat, are you well fed?”

Presumably, O’Reilly would have scrapped the segment if only Obama had said, “I wake up every morning in a house that was built by well-fed and decently lodged slaves, and I watch my daughters — two beautiful, intelligent, black young women — playing with their dogs on the White House lawn.”

Those inclined to trust O’Reilly on matters of White House history should consider the time that his book “Killing Lincoln” botched a key fact on the building.

  

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37. "its really amazing. but whats more scary"
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is watching just how much fox news has shaped the political landscape in the RNC
watching their convention, so many key words were straight from the fox playbook
people talking about media bias, but they only watch ONE channel
there's a level of cognitive dissonance this is country that is.... literally inexplicable
on twitter, i see comments about the DNC being the convention that is racist
i almost wonder if these people say that because the DNC has many black people or something
and that *that* is their definition of racist
(oh and same explanation for it being misogynistic.)
meaning of words don't matter

this country should start teaching racism 101 in grade school if any progress is to be made
just mentioning black does not equal racist- but i really think thats the pedestrian definition that everyone embraces

we have almost lost the narrative on race and that means we might never be able to redress it

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41. "Murdoch said a 2nd Obama term = more money!! "
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FoxNews is all about keeping their viewers angry, uninformed and fearful.



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38. "#never hillary's planning to leave the country if? encourage them"
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no, seriously
if there's one thing americans need... is to travel more
get a chance to see what cnn-international is like- and realize just how poor the standards of media are here
interact with people who just might shift your perspective on things
at least it might make you less paranoid and see that america is not literally on its last fumes of power

i truly believe this might do more to shift people's perceptions

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40. "it seems like the convention is going very well for the Dems."
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the party seems to be getting more united with each day that passes.

Michelle really lent a lot of credence to Hill's candidacy with her speech on day one.

Bernie patted himself on the back and made sure to let his folks know that he is influencing a Hillary presidency assuming she wins, which kinda of calmed MOST (not all) of the outrage coming from his side.

Bill did a good job of familiarizing people with Hillary's story if they were not yet, and making her seem more relatable.

Tonight, Obama will speak to her bona fides, which will display how she actually has the experience and mettle to be president in comparison to Trump.

one thing they are doing well, as least with the folks speaking later in the evening (Michelle, Warren, Sanders, Bill - i can't spend time watching daytime speakers) is making sure that they allude to Trump in a way that everyone KNOWS who they are talking about without actually saying his name. it prevents the media from really putting out "Warren says Trump hates Muslims" type headlines which allows Trump to fire off shots, put the attention back on him, and rile up the neanderthals that support him.

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59. "Fuckin Bernie Bros."
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Guess they're not done yet.

  

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60. "how dare they waste 30 secs of precious time"
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with an issue they believe in deeply and sincerely, directed at a relevant speaker

imo a rah rah u.s.a. militarism chant is as bad a look.





  

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63. "I missed it"
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Did they chant against GMOs when someone was telling their life long struggle in the civil rights movement?

They are real heroes - and so courageous to yell!!

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66. "there were brief anti-war chants while panetta was speaking"
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i mean, it's not like he was directing drone strikes or anything.

  

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68. "So is the next president allowed to have a defense secretary?"
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Or did they get "No more war!" into the party platform?

It's not about thirty fucking seconds. It's about the fact that to the vast majority of this country, "no more war" is not a policy, and "national defense" is considered a crucial issue. It's about the headlines being written for tomorrow that a defense secretary who served in the administration that ended two of our biggest, ugliest wars is still not allowed to speak without them attempting to chant him down.

Once again, there are exactly two options in this election. And I guarantee you, a Trump presidency will give us a hell of a lot more war than the Obama presidency or a Clinton presidency. So what the fuck is their point? This is a party convention. Not a fucking peace protest.

  

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70. "well, no, it is about 30 seconds. because that's what it was. "
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you got to stop telling the kids to get off your lawn.

your stance is the same as the republicans when the house dems did their gun violence sit in.

and they didn't do that shit to biden or even bloomberg (except for 5 secs when he said he disagreed with dems on private sector being so important). they did it when panetta was talking about war.

you think that's really hurting the campaign? you think that's really going to lead to foreign policy issues for this country?

  

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72. "Paraphrasing what Joy Reid just said..."
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Panetta's speech was one of the most important speeches of the entire convention. Today Donald Trump literally committed treason, inviting a foreign country to commit cyber warfare against the US. And the centerpiece of Panetta's speech was an argument about what that all meant. Instead, the headline is "Radical democrats chant down their leading authority on national defense." Trump handed us one of the biggest gaffes of the campaign so far, and these idiots threw it away with no goal other than satisfying their own egos.

The fact that these idiots literally increased the likelihood of war, by chanting "no more war", should be infuriating to any real progressive.

  

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74. "RE: Paraphrasing what Joy Reid just said..."
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>
>Panetta's speech was one of the most important speeches of the
>entire convention. Today Donald Trump literally committed
>treason, inviting a foreign country to commit cyber warfare
>against the US. And the centerpiece of Panetta's speech was an
>argument about what that all meant. Instead, the headline is
>"Radical democrats chant down their leading authority on
>national defense." Trump handed us one of the biggest gaffes
>of the campaign so far, and these idiots threw it away with no
>goal other than satisfying their own egos.
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>The fact that these idiots literally increased the likelihood
>of war, by chanting "no more war", should be infuriating to
>any real progressive.


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77. "there are so many things wrong with your reaction"
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1) use literally better. some people from the west coast did not increase the chance of war by chanting no more war. the whining and the hyperbole is consistently ridiculous.

2) everyone is criticizing donald trump today, and some criticism of leon panetta does not change anything about that narrative. nobody threw a chance away.

3) joe biden and now tim kaine are going pretty hard in identifying with the troops. you have to be pretty dense to read tonight's dems as not pro-military, and if some protestors for 30 secs earlier in the day overshadow that out for voters, they weren't really recruitable by the dems.

4) the big issue is not whether trump has bad ideas, but in the dems establishing their better ideas:

4a) reading anti-war stances MERELY as a failure to engage the trump echo chamber on a day when he clearly was making a transparent effort to disrupt the star power of the dnc seems like you don't get the big picture. it doesn't have to be in his terms or in reaction to him. these are valid liberal perspectives.

4b) people are going to be looking to obama tonight and even more so hillary tomorrow to establish the defense stance. not a guy who's head to head competition in the rnc slots were multi-level marketers and scott baios.

  

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108. "They are dead to me"
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>4) the big issue is not whether trump has bad ideas, but in
>the dems establishing their better ideas:

You know what - fuck it - if they/you haven't seen the that the policies put forth at the Democratic Nation Convention *are better* than at the RNC then there is no convincing them/you.

Every campaign in the past was trying to SCARE you into thinking that if you vote for the "OTHER GUY" amounts to an immediate and horrific outcome. I get it.

BUT THIS TIME IT'S FUCKING TRUE.

So fuck them - and let's not welcome them back. Green party needs more folks.

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119. "there's no question that dem policies are better"
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but they haven't been articulated this week and there hasn't been a solid conversation yet about what foreign policy will look like under the next administration. there are plenty of people who don't know what the plan is yet, and the republicans are going to exploit that.

i wasn't talking about the protestors, who have a good idea of what they don't like. i was talking about those voters, who don't care about the protestors one bit. they care about what the dems haven't said yet. those that are watching at all.

and frankly, if you can't see why people would have a problem with militarism in an era where declaring war on terror, on crime, and on drugs has contributed directly to the suffering of so many of the real people the dems have been bringing to the stage this week, you don't get it.

you don't have to agree with anti-war demonstrators on the future, but they've earned more of a voice in the party. they were right about iraq. they were right about military surplus going to the police. they were right about wasteful spending to defense contractors in the first place. they're right about the ethics and optics of drone warfare. the obama administration confirmed they've been right for a long time about cuban and iran. and being unwilling to tolerate them is how you get to a point where guys like David Clarke are able to use Douglas MacArthur cosplay to become nationally relevant.

  

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62. "bratty ass niggas."
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133. "what exactly is their end game?"
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because at this point the only thing they are doing is disrupting speeches
all this shouting changes nothing within the platform
and i dont see it as doing anything to actually raise awareness of the issue
they just look like sorry losers at this point

i mean, if they are now #neverhillary
ok. then they should go and campaign for whomever they want to
if they are going to vote for hillary and hate it,
ok, there's still work to be done post elections


but *this* shit right here?

ugh

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61. "Last minute prediction here:"
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Obama's speech tonight will be another part of his historic legacy. He's in a perfect position to attack Trump and I assume that's his main role here. Obama doesn't need to play dumb and attempt to appeal to the anti-intellectual crowd like he normally has to. He's gonna wax poetic and be unashamedly philosophical and deep. Something that none of the republicans could do unless they wanted to risk alienating their base. Obama has a chance to speak directly to the democratic base now. It's time for someone to poetically and intellectually articulate exactly how dangerous Trump is and there's no better person to do this than Obama.

I expect a historically eloquent speech that noone other than Obama can make. Have at it Barack.

  

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64. "uncle joe aint with the malarky!"
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65. "people who whine about Bernie Bros are as obnoxious as Bernie Bros."
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73. "At this moment in history, nobody is as obnoxious as berniebros "
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Not sneering hillary supporters
Not Trump supporters
Not Trump
Not stravinskian
Not Chris Matthews
Not a car alarm that's been going off for an hour...

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67. "you see the split screen of Obama getting off Airforce 1"
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he basically ran down the stairs with his fist balled up...

Obama looking like Tyson coming into the ring....

he's about to go Adebisi on Trump's ass...

  

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69. "This is gonna be Obama's walk out music"
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https://youtu.be/6w1meoAwoNQ

  

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71. "Obama running out like this https://youtu.be/qFe8mLAvNl8"
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https://youtu.be/qFe8mLAvNl8

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75. "Jesus Christ. Did the Russians infiltrate the make-up room?"
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I don't really know what Tim Kaine looks like right now, but it's not very presidential.

  

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78. "kaine is impressively pandery, even for a politician. "
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79. "black excellence up next."
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81. "Damn."
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I've been waiting for this moment for like 9 months. Someone to tear this clown down.

  

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82. "bro i just stood up and clapped at my desk when they announced him lol."
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85. "I'm recording it at home."
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I'm mixing sportscenter right now. Gonna go home straight from work and watch.

  

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80. "my god that was deflating. this was the "safe choice" for VP?"
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drying paint possesses more charisma.

  

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83. "exact thoughts"
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84. "don't boo...vote"
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86. "givin it to 'em"
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take a good look folks and savor this moment...youll never see another like this

  

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87. "Anyone catch the shot of that brown skinned sista in the black dress?"
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Waving the sign
Damn

  

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88. "RE: Anyone catch the shot of that brown skinned sista in the black dress..."
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>Waving the sign
>Damn


lol

  

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89. "During which speech?"
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98. "Obama, exactly when I posted. Lol"
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126. "https://s31.postimg.org/pb3uecwgr/Untitled0.png"
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https://s31.postimg.org/pb3uecwgr/Untitled0.png
https://s32.postimg.org/6r2rpysg5/Untitled.png
This has to be who you were talking about, caught my attention too.
But this is okayplayer so....
>Waving the sign
>Damn

  

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90. "immaculate."
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94. "man..."
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91. "Any chance we can repeal the 22nd amendment?"
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100. "I would take another term of Obama as a compromise."
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He doesn't nearly have the problems Hillary has.

Unfortunately it is her turn.

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106. "for real though "
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252. "he will be missed"
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92. "Who need a ride to go vote "
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93. "gon miss that dude"
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95. "That's my president. he's fucking amazing "
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102. "I hope he's not the best we ever see,"
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but he's the best we'll ever see.

  

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107. "He is 1 of 1 "
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Cannot even put my thoughts into words when it comes to just how much I respect him and revere his overall capacity and grace.

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109. "^^^^well put"
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<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

  

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96. "my only fear is that after these poignant passionate speeches"
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we cap a great convention off
with a hillary speech that comes off as cookie cutter, soulless, insincere, and monotonous.

i hope she can continue this momentum.

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97. "God Almighty that was powerful"
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Obama is just IT.

So many teary eyes.

David Axelrod's voice cracking and shit, lol

Just, damn.

  

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103. "yeah man axe getting choked up."
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104. "^ Privileged to catch some of that live."
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Just IMO though.

  

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99. "we got decades more coming from the obama family, so exciting"
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101. "There will never be another"
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105. "david brooks is more than kind of a piece of shit"
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113. "what's his problem now?"
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Other than being David Brooks?

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120. "his reaction to every speech was fearmongering"
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he shouldn't have a platform in 2016 because he's more afraid of donald trump than he is of brown people and the future.

  

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110. "Obama gave the right wings acid reflux "
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with that one...

incredible speech...

Great points made by MSNBC analysts that the Democrats have taken "optimism" from the Republicans. As someone who can remember the Regan years....optimism was the primary selling point...

but now with the right's recent strategy.... Now the left holds optimism.... and competence...

that's going to be difficult to overcome.....for a long long time

  

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141. "we need to take back religion also. and the economy. and foreign policy...."
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and leave them with only the things they are good at:

hate.

fear.

racism.

they can keep all that shit.


peace & blessings,

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111. "missed all of today :o("
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went for a concert (well worth it)

scanning these posts looks like i should watch BO, biden and bloomberg

anything else i missed?

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112. "Yes, especially Barack, but that goes without saying."
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I said a couple days ago that Michelle's speech was "one of" the best I've ever seen. But Barack's speech tonight might very well be *the* best speech I've ever seen.

Try and find the video clip that they played before Barack's speech as well. Blatant propaganda, of course, but that's what we're here for. And it most definitely did its job.

And we all have our differences with Bloomberg, but he REALLY twisted the knife on Trump. It was a spectacle. Lawrence O'Donnell noted afterward that Bloomberg has, conservatively, at least ten times as much wealth as Trump. And Bloomberg noted in his speech that he didn't start with a million dollar loan from his dad, and the room just erupted. Trump will not have a Twitter response to that.

I got interrupted by a phone call and had to miss uncle Joe, but people are speaking very highly of that one as well.

  

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115. "Bloomberg's was such pure ether "
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My goodness, he really stuck that serrated knife and twisted.

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116. "just watched obama (its 3 a.m)"
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i am literally crying
especially as someone who came to this country 16 years ago
and feels like i grew up into adulthood here,
...so much of my experiences here have shaped who i am, and what i believe, and have allowed me to embrace everything about me
(i see the difference when i am in nairobi, and cant relate to most of my friends who stayed)

i mean, i came to the u.s with a high school diploma
i had to work godknowshowmanyjobs in undergrad, but i still got into the ivy league
i was lucky enough to have a circle of idealistic friends- shit i remember almost failing a semester because we were too busy going to d.c to protest the iraq war, or our missing classes because we were canvassing for obama in philly
and i truly believe that's what enabled me to go to south sudan and spend 5 years trying to do better - the idealism

and then coming back... to baltimore.
the week when i was walking around feeling as though i am back in south sudan
where the soldiers are everywhere and there is a palpable atmosphere of fear every day
and then this year and a half.... feeling like... i don't know this country
who are these people?
should i be worried, because i am *the* immigrant (and i will take their jobs- and instead of competing, they'd rather just blame?)

last week watching the RNC i was absolutely terrified, mentally packing my bags (trying to figure out where tf im going next-
its not south sudan... my country is in flames- if you want to know what dictatorship looks like???

this (and michelle's) speech completely restored my faith
so ya. this convention was sorely needed.
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joe was at my school a month ago, and some friends got to take selfies with him (my friend was like, he just grabbed my phone and took the selfies himself!)
he's a treasure
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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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142. "wow, akon. i'm moved just reading your reaction to the speech. "
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(as well as you laying out your history in that reply, and how these events have specifically impacted YOU).

you ours now. don't let any of these cretins make you feel like you don't belong. i have nothing but admiration for you.



peace & blessings,

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I'm an advocate for working smarter, not harder. If you just
focus on working hard you end up making someone else rich and
not having much to show for it. (c) mad

  

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144. "Seconded."
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251. "thanks. i hadnt expected to be *that* moved, tbh. "
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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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114. "Re-watched BO's speech, maybe the best I've ever seen"
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The first time I was so caught up in the moment and captivated that I had a tough time really deciphering what was happening. After watching it again....the balance, breadth, and dynamicism of that speech combined with his incredibly diverse oration and delivery, then capped by those final absolutely captivating final 7 or so minutes of personal stories, his continued fight, his rising passion and conviction...what an honor to have him as our President at the moment we needed someone to steer a ship lost in the waves. Bravo.

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

  

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117. "Barack is the GOAT presidential speaker"
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History is going to treat him so well. Hundreds of years down the line if we're still here, people are going to practically worship him and think the people that opposed him were inbred backward fuckfaces. He's not perfect, the drones thing and all, but overall he saved the country from economic annihilation and went up against bias and hate every step along the way and NEVER cracked, not one bit. I teared up at his first election night speech, and I got riled up by his speech tonight.

Also, is there a cooler, more competent person alive than Michelle Obama? I don't think she's ever made a poor decision in her life. That family is the epitome of what American Greatness is supposed to look like.

  

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118. "4 more years! "
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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121. "Yeah, Joe Video would have wiped the floor with Trump"
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But trump maybe wouldn't have gotten the nod? Anyway, oh well. We move in (hint.h int Bernie but hurt folks).

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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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122. "I read this 5 times... what are you trying to say? "
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123. "translation: if biden had run and gotten nominated, trump would be toast"
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but maybe someone else would be his opponent, because if we're gonna change some history, who knows what else might have happened!

and we should move on from petty disagreements, so let's keep bashing allies

  

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124. "thx... lol"
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125. "shit, lol"
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Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

Building repetoires (c) spm since 1983

  

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127. "Damn Autocorrect. How does Biden = Video?"
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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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131. "autocorrect tried to save you bruh..."
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135. "RE: autocorrect tried to save you bruh..."
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lol....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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291. "Watching right now. Joe aint fucking around"
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LOL

i feel like if he could, he'd put hands on Donald, bruh

like, "come here you no good piece of shit..."

Joe should've ran

  

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128. "schedule for today looks exhausting "
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all the people and groups i really want to check for and spaced out pretty far apart

  

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130. "*frown* just watching panetta's speech"
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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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132. "Still emotional from Obama's speech"
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D'ANGELO beat tape PART 2: https://chrisp.bandcamp.com/album/dangelo-beat-tape-2020

IPHONE LP2 “A beatmaker who loved” https://music.apple.com/us/album/a-beatmaker-who-loved/1473644375

  

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139. "Yo, so my homegirls' girl ran into Biden on the DNC floor. "
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So she got Biden to do a video hello to my home girl. It's a very nice message from Biden. Dude looks so comfortable and happy to do it.

And my home girl is over moon and it's gotten like 1000 likes on FB.

Biden is that dude.

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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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145. "it's crazy he's almost five years older than bill and dubya"
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his vitality in comparison to theirs might be one of the strongest arguments about the stress of the presidency

  

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147. "Especially considering how much time off W took"
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Just IMO though.

  

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146. "Finally caught Biden's speech."
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That dude is a good dude.

I was really skeptical of his pick as runningmate in '08. Just seemed random and bizarre from what I knew about him. But he's really grown on me in the time since. In retrospect, I'd bet Barack's main consideration (beyond a few of the usual demographic points) was that he's just, deep down, a warm, honest, and optimistic person.

  

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148. "today's theme is so critical. human rights "
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already off the bat, we got hrc throwing shade at pence and the gop!

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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149. "twitter keeps alluding to bernie or bust"
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folk planning something
fart machine? maybe?

im curious too- lets see how they want to ruin the moment when
the country's first female presidential nominee of a major party accepts her nomination
because *that's* how you are progressive.

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http://perspectivesudans.blogspot.com/
i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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152. "Seppuku"
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It's already bust.

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My prayers have been answered!

Gone
My Discogs collection for The Roots:
http://www.discogs.com/user/tomhayes-roots/collection

  

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157. "I'm assuming there will be some sort of disruption "
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Chanting or some other counterproductive shit

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150. "dems just trolling republicans! A+"
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reagan's speech writer
+ other republicans at the DNC!

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151. "That "Mr. Trump, you're no Ronald Reagan" line will be a sound byte."
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People are already talking about how "Reaganesque" the president's speech was last night.

  

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153. "Slow down, reverend, you're about to make the building fall over!"
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How is it that *I* am getting the holy spirit?! That's not supposed to happen!

  

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155. "lol! i was just about to write that i feel like im in church!"
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and im not cringing
that was pretty powerful
even an anti-theist like me really appreciated that.

i've watched him speak on maher- talking about the impact of obama-care in his life
(being able to get health-care for pre-existing conditions - cant remember if it was just for him, or family member(s)

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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218. "Jesus Christ tell me you 2 are on the payroll"
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Look, I'm not excited about Hil but I'm voting
for her.

And this convention is sooooo much better
than the alternative, yes. Of course, yes.

But you two??

You guys, and a few others, are taking it too
far.

Maybe I just don't want to believe anyone can
be this manipulated by this.

Or cheer for a political party like it's a sports team.

Or be 100 with some of yalls posts,
regardless if the reason.

Unless you are getting paid.

If you aren't getting paid for this, you should
be.

  

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242. "I don't cheer for sports teams."
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Sports teams don't change the world. Political parties do.

  

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267. "sports are fun"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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279. "That was rather Noam Chomsky-iam"
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"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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253. "ah yes! that must be it!"
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>
>Unless you are getting paid.


im getting paid to infiltrate the massive voting constituency that is okayplayer!
and yes! mind control! manipulated!

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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259. "aint no too far bih."
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154. "kareem abdul jabar!!"
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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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156. "can we get an A++ for trolling? bring out the generals!"
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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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158. "completely shitted on the trump false military bravado."
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160. "RE: completely shitted on the trump false military bravado."
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Basically.....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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161. "im just laughing now"
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its like, they literally were like
oh, trump wants to know what *we'll* do about isis?
how about we bring a general or two, and a medal of honour recipient to tell him?

im taking notes.
*this* is how you shut em up.
like what negative thing can you say about someone who lost a leg in the war against ISIS?
(trump: well, i dont respect people who lose their legs. lame)

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159. "These idiots try to chant down a man who lost his leg in Afghanistan."
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An immigrant, a medal of honor winner.

What good could they possibly think they're doing?

  

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163. "RE: These idiots try to chant down a man who lost his leg in Afghanistan..."
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>An immigrant, a medal of honor winner.
>
>What good could they possibly think they're doing?


It's disgusting.....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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162. "i wouldnt at all be mad if they tased these protestors."
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164. "anyone who went to the RNC should be demanding a refund"
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i mean

katy pery
sheila e

*just today*

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165. "It's hard to see Chelsea Clinton and not think the daughter from VEEP."
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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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166. "This convention is pretty well orchestrated. "
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192. "strategically, they're running a 5-star program via diversification"
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- basically co-opting/one-upping republicans on defense with the repeated bin ladin assassination rub, veterans benefits, general john allen, etc.

- silverman son'ing bernie bros

- big biz bloomberg calling out the don as a farce.

- MUSLIM kareem waving the red, while and blue

etc etc


  

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167. " elmo, blueberries, grandma"
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That baby loves red, white, and blue! Clintons so slick with it.

  

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168. "whole speech coming off like a strategic word cloud."
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173. "I don't think it's bad, she intones a lot like her mom."
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I wonder if it will be noted, or constrasted, though that depends on whether H is going to give a warm speech or a firebrand one. It does make clear that a lot of the b.s about her speaking ability is ageist on top of the sexism.

  

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170. "LOL. Good catch."
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171. "LOL"
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169. "Yaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwn! Can she stop Talking. "
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172. "Tim Kaine was actually caught on camera yawning."
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I think Chelsea's coming off well, though. It certainly doesn't sound like a politician is talking.

  

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201. "Tim Kaine looks like he could pull a John Edwards"
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literally

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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215. " Kaine looks like a dude that got the weirdest porn folder"
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174. "Is Chelsea Clinton worth 50 million dollars?"
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175. "Pastor Barber and the Kahn's moment were 2 of the"
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best of the convention...

  

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176. "I wish every American could see Mr. Kahn's speech."
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257. "yep. the people who need to be watching aren't"
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260. "I'm being that guy sharing it on Facebook, "
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so my few "conservative" friends are even aware of it.

Probably being uniformly unfollowed, though, as a result.

  

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177. "they got Morgan Freeman narrating..pulled out the big guns"
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178. "did i miss the part where she accepted the nomination? "
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i was watching 2 things at once
and all i saw was people cheering when she walked out
and she just started her speech lol.

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182. "I assume that'll come somewhere in the middle of the speech."
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186. "ah there we go."
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193. "There it is. The Sanders supporters were getting excited"
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that they might have her on a technicality.

  

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199. "lol itd be hilarious if they intentionally trolled em."
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stravinskian
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207. "RE: lol itd be hilarious if they intentionally trolled em."
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Ha. Nah, I think it's a pretty common rhetorical device to build up to it. It's like presidents building up to "The state of our union is strong."

  

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"Hillary, get off Bernie's dick"


          

i understand why you had to do it.

but fuck his fanatical fans. stop trying to appease those bastards

  

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179. "Hillary, get off Bernie's dick"
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i understand why you had to do it.

but fuck his fanatical fans. stop trying to appease those bastards

  

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183. "You're not listening to her. Stronger together."
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180. "This convention has made me proud and hopeful for my country."
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How many Republicans can say that?

  

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181. "how can people overlook 'super-predator'?"
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why should i overlook that? maybe this has been discussed before and i missed it.

  

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185. "Because the alternative says worse shit practically daily?"
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http://ambitiondeficitdisorder.tumblr.com/

  

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191. "like what?"
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230. "clearly nothing "
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she's worse than hitler

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187. "Barack's argument last night was that everybody makes mistakes."
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Especially those who've been in the public eye for decades.

  

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189. "um, no..i don't know what he's talking about"
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that was no mistake. imo, that was worse than being called a nigger.

  

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221. "LULZ I'm dyin...."
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You are focused. Hopefully you get a bonus.

Oh so the current head of the party gave a
non-specific speech about mistake making
so now all is to be forgotten?

Word?

Hahahaha okay player

Just stick to "not trump"- it's true, it's effective,
And it's enough.

Folks like you got me tempted to vote for Jill

"Bbbbb b but Barack said" Hahahaha!!!

  

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238. "Who the fuck ever said all is forgotten?"
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But it's a little funny that you have to read so much into a single line from an obscure interview, decades ago, to justify your self image.

Folks like you make me want to vote for Hillary, to make the country better than it would have been otherwise.

  

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194. "I actually think the convention has nailed that rhetorically."
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More specifics are needed, but this convention has ignored specifics, and I'm more hopeful than I've been all summer that the dens are laying a foundation to bring more Americans into the BLM fold. Stronger together as its been laid out this week reminds me of the Kennedy and Great Society rhetoric that was incompatible with discrimination and hate.

  

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196. "i hope you're right"
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269. "i mean it's a thin line, but they're obviously running like it's '64"
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and talking myself into voting for them because I hope they realize the Bobby Kennedy route is the only way to avoid what happened afterwards

  

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195. "'I shouldn't have used those words.' (c) Sec. Clinton (link)"
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2016/02/25/hillary-clinton-responds-to-activist-who-demanded-apology-for-superpredator-remarks/

fuck you.

  

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204. "Same woman talkinbout dodging bullets on the Tarmac -- survey says"
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It never happened. She lies bro. Copper has more value than her words.

  

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203. "get out of your feelings..."
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it's not about you...

it's about what is best for your country and your children.....

you got 2 choices.....

  

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205. "Who are you voting for? Let me tell you. Hillary. Now go sit down"
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240. "lol"
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>
>.
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223. "at this point? just vote your conscience"
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some of us want to actually be able to hold her accountable
for her policies to;
- reform mandatory minimum sentencing laws and legislation against racial profiling
- develop national guidelines on use of force by the police
- body cameras for all police departments
- oversight on controlled equipment to prevent the popo looking more like they are fighting in afghanistan (and which obama started)
- gun control laws

etc.

but if you want to protest that comment, that's fine too
vote your conscience

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http://perspectivesudans.blogspot.com/
i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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184. "she has terrible delivery"
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188. "dude..I was jus gon say...."
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she doesnt come across as likeable

  

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198. "Walks like duck + talks like duck = duck"
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190. "hurry and get her off the stage"
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lol...she destroying all the weeks good works lol

  

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200. "*rolls eyes*"
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222. "Oh so you can't even cop"
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To her being a sub-par speaker?

I'd like to amend my accusation that you
are on the party's payroll

I'm fairly convinced now you are full
blown working for her campaign. That's
the only explanation.

Even Chelsea knows the deal.

You gotta be getting paid.

Get yours.

  

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stravinskian
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232. "See post 226."
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If you can't handle it, go vote for Trump. There's an engaging orator.

  

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239. "RE: See post 226."
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>
>If you can't handle it, go vote for Trump. There's an engaging
>orator.


wow..you are incredible

  

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273. "you lose what little credibility you have when you deny "
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the FACTS man..

just the facts.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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275. "*rolls eyes again*"
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Funny how you put "facts" in all-caps when you're specifically talking about a matter of opinion.

But yeah, it seems like post 226 might specifically apply to you.

  

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278. "it's OK bruh.. "
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she has the content but the delivery is sub par...

everyone knows it,

even Hillary is like: https://s3.amazonaws.com/wp-ag/wp-content/uploads/sites/72/2015/03/Clintonyesnoyes.gif

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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227. "yea. she's not good at this"
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especially compared to bill, obama and michelle
but its whatever.
i dont need entertainment in a president
i need to see policies put into action


*and i worry that unless we change the senate and house dynamics
all this optimism will soon be just that, optimism

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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265. "RE: yea. she's not good at this"
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>*and i worry that unless we change the senate and house
>dynamics
>all this optimism will soon be just that, optimism

Agreed on this. I thought she did a great job, but no one is touching Bill or the Obamas.

  

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197. "LOL @ niggas more impatient with her than they were with kaine"
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like, it's hillary. where you been the last 25 years?

grab another beer if you're bored.

  

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208. " impatient?bored? okay chief"
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>like, it's hillary. where you been the last 25 years?
>
>grab another beer if you're bored.

  

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209. "Right. Look at all those non Black Tears. "
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202. "This is a weird direction "
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They must have had some sexist focus groups.

  

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206. "Holy shit...she looped from disabilities to we kilt osama"
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For the children! That's some gymnastics.

  

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211. "Wrong spot"
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nm

  

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210. "stop showing pics of bill clinton"
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he look like a white version of the crypt keeper.

i'm not confident he'll be alive to see Hillary get sworn in

#thewalkingdead

  

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212. "somebody pass this nigga a throat lozenge."
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255. "that shit was annoying"
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268. "She is human "
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274. "I thought she was a robot"
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rob
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213. "Citizens United - imagine if Hilldog got hers "
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And then led the movement to shut it down! That would be an amazing face turn.

  

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214. "Can someone explain all this unity talk?"
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When we both voluntarily and mandatorily separate ourselves based primarily on physical appearance? Are they really implying uniting white Americans? Because you can't unite anything that's intentionally divided i.e. Black people and white people.

So it's bullshit right?

  

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217. "It's like the second oldest American political meme"
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And it gets at both Trump and Bernie.

  

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216. "zzzzz. im turning this shit off."
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great convention up until now tho.

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Flash80
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219. "she's kinda showing her ass by ripping wall street"
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she's made millions from goldman sachs, morgan stanley, JPM.

shoulda left it alone.

  

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220. "Im tellin ya..get her off lol..give her 20 min tops"
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>she's made millions from goldman sachs, morgan stanley, JPM.
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>shoulda left it alone.

  

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224. "never thought i'd hear tweet and nuclear weapons in the same sentence"
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welcome to 2016 i guess.

  

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godleeluv
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225. "I enjoyed her speech"
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226. "Fuck what people are saying. This is a damn good speech."
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The people saying her delivery is off have either never listened to a speech from someone not named Obama, or they're listening through sexist-modulating headphones.

  

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228. "she recovered but mutherufcker stfu with the sexist accusation bs"
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>The people saying her delivery is off have either never
>listened to a speech from someone not named Obama, or they're
>listening through sexist-modulating headphones.
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233. "Don't take it personally "
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Fifty percent, minimum, of the criticism guaranteed to be sexist

  

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235. "its sexist not being able to cri..ya know what? uh uh"
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>Fifty percent, minimum, of the criticism guaranteed to be
>sexist

  

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241. "^ Came very close to an argument we heard dozens of times from Cleveland..."
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Look, I don't know you, and I can't accuse anybody in particular of sexism. Like I said, maybe Barack just got people's expectations up too high last night. But you know damn well that a lot of the criticism of her speaking is inherently sexist.

  

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229. "Yep...and she is hoarse probably from practicing"
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Which is some real cool stuff to me for some reason.

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231. "It's good enough. She's got some hot lines. "
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Obama woulda made it a hot song.

  

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234. "This is when okp needs a like button"
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236. "sheeit. we've been spoilt by the obamas. excellent speech, yes"
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but even i have to admit the delivery...
well. there's not much one can do about that.
hillary is definitely not an orator.

i don't put that high on the list of things she needs to be, though

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237. "that's the thing"
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>hillary is definitely not an orator.

she didn't choke. she's just never been a great talker.

workhorse =/= showhorse.

she is who we thought she was.

  

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243. "It was a good speech "
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245. "it was excellent speech..."
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she hit a home run.... did exactly what she needed to do..

  

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244. "if the objective was to restore faith in american exceptionalism"
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i'd say mission accomplished


i think we under-estimate the influence of america globally (love it or hate it)
and it's a responsibility to ensure that that influence always has good intentions
which is why its critically important to remain engaged in the political process
no one but americans can actually do that- act as a watchdog to the military and economic power - and ultimately foreign power/influence.
its why the rest of us actually watch the elections
we have a stake at this too

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246. "Hillary's not the orator that Barack/Bill/Michelle is. And that's okay."
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She doesn't need to be the greatest speech giver ever. She needs to be smart and specific and on message, and she needs to rise above the fray and appear presidential. She was all of those things tonight. Thought it was an effective speech-- not her fault that she was following some grand slam level work from the aforementioned three.

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247. "DNC was about America. RNC was about Trump "
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Can't remember a time when Republicans got out-americafuckyea'd by Dems

Considering the rocky start, Dems couldn't have asked for a better convention

When this is over Repubs are gonna have another "autopsy" like after Romney. They tried last time and got overrun by the far right. Something tells me it's gonna happen again. They'll go the Ted Cruz route and fail miserably.

Even if Trump wins, the Republican party is royally fucked right now

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248. "Clinton on Foreign Policy tonight"
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The Democratic Convention was exceptionally well-done and was a glittery representation of the aggregate full-spectrum of America. Clinton's speech tonight was remarkably substantive - and there's no doubt that she's a superior candidate to the fraudulence of Trump.

To be honest - I didn't feel the genuine electricity in her oratory - but I realize that as it pertains to oratory and presence - President Obama set the bar impossibly high. We may never see a President as gifted in oratory and presence as Barack Obama.

There is one policy area I'm watching very closely: Foreign Policy. Tonight Clinton was very clear on the following points:

(1) She took a much harder-line on Iran, saying that "now it's time to enforce the Iran Nuclear Deal." Is she implying that Obama has not been enforcing the deal? I think that's a precursor to her stance on Iran - which has always been quite confrontational and doubtful in her belief of productive diplomacy with Iran.

(2) She signaled an escalation in conflict with Russia - which has been a deep concern of many Foreign Policy experts. When the Russia-Ukraine conflict surfaced, many were urging Obama to exert military force - but he exercised restraint. I believe President Clinton will be more aggressive towards Russia.

(3) Clinton reiterated her unconditional support of Israel again tonight. No surprise there, but it is disappointing when there is no mention of the human rights of Palestinians nor the fact that Israel is engaged in an apartheid-like regime.

As it pertains to Foreign Policy - were you satisfied with the messaging from Hillary Clinton tonight?
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256. "the way she transitioned from Russia to ISIS was scary"
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it blended so well I thought she was talking about our strategy for war with Russia.

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266. "I've never been satisfied with her foreign policies, honestly."
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But since issues like climate change, equal rights at home, and education are higher on my priority list than foreign policy, I compartmentalize my complaints about her stances with which I don't agree and will prepare to be vocal on getting her to adjust those stances once she's elected over Trump.

And while I know this obviously qualifies as "lesser of two evils" complimenting, despite my dislike of many of her foreign policy stances, I still trust her foreign policy a million billion times more than Trump's.

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286. "she is and always has been on that Cheney"
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the worst stain on Obama's record is that he kept some of Cheney's people in office, like Victoria Nuland, and that combined with Hillary being a consummate hawk herself lead to terrible decisions (Ukraine/Lybia/Syria)
as you point out, he seems to regret those now (I hope he does)

in this election, the lesser of two evils talk is obviously true for everything else, but honestly, from a foreign policy standpoint, I'm afraid it's not that clear cut
the world as a whole could use a little less "fucking with Putin" strategy from the US and a whole lot less alignment with Israel and Saudi Arabia

  

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249. "Khizr Khan's speech was so damn powerful"
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You could sense the grief and passion, incredibly well done and so much respect to his parents.

As for Hillary's speech...if you were expecting some kind of great oration, you clearly don't follow Hillary but regardless, it was extremely effective particularly in painting her history of social justice and giving a concrete example of how Trump's temperament and childishness could play in the White House.

Great convention in general, incredible production combined with great execution of strategy.

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250. "definitely a powerful moment...."
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He shamed Donald Trump in a major way..

  

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254. "FOX NEWS--Khzir Khan? Nothing to see here! (SWIPE)"
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I mean...It's not at all shocking that Fox News is gonna Fox News....But the network that hides behind patriotic duty and love of country didn't even have the decency to show Khzir Khan's speech. These fools actually played a Benghazi commercial while a Muslim man whose son died for this country, was giving true testimony to what sacrifice looks like....Who knows if this convention will help Clinton get a bump....But Khan's speech, for me, was the moment that truly made Trump look like the little man that he is...

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Fox News Plays Benghazi Commercial Over Khzir Khan's Anti-Trump Speech At The Democratic National Convention


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Fox News Plays Katy Perry Song After Khan Leaves Stage
Blog ››› July 28, 2016 11:22 PM EDT ››› ZACHARY PLEAT


Fox News ignored a speech by the father of U.S. Army Captain Humayun Khan, who was killed in 2004 in the Iraq war, instead opting to air commercials during the speech. Fox later went live to a song by pop singer Katy Perry after the speech.

During the final night of the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia, PA, Khizr Khan spoke about the honor he felt to be present at the convention with his wife, “as patriotic American Muslims with undivided loyalty to our country.” Khan’s speech was preceded by a video that showed Hillary Clinton calling Captain Khan “the best of America” and explaining the circumstances of his death, for which he was posthumously awarded the Bronze Star and Purple Heart.

The Washington Post reported that Khizr Khan turned his attention toward GOP presidential nominee Donald Trump:

"If it was up to Donald Trump, never would have been in America," Khan said. "Donald Trump consistently smears the character of Muslims. He disrespects other minorities, women, judges, even his own party leadership. He vows to build walls and ban us from this country."

"Donald Trump," he said, "you are asking Americans to trust you with our future. Let me ask you: Have you even read the U.S. Constitution? I will gladly lend you my copy." He pulled a copy of the Constitution from his pocket. "In this document, look for the words 'liberty' and 'equal protection of law.'"



"Have you ever been to Arlington Cemetery? Go look at the graves of the brave patriots who died defending America — you will see all faiths, genders, and ethnicities," Khan said.

"You have sacrificed nothing. And no one."

While CNN and MSNBC aired the video and Khan’s speech in full, Fox News’ The Kelly File instead continued with its regular commentary featuring Brit Hume, then went to commercial as the speech began, showing slightly more than two minutes of the speech in a small window as commercials -- including a Benghazi attack ad -- overplayed it.

link: https://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/07/28/fox-news-plays-benghazi-commercial-over-khazir-khans-anti-trump-speech-democratic-national/212012

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258. "DNC put their foot in it.. that was a great convention. BUT....."
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is it me or did Tim Kaine and Hillary have the worst deliveries out of all the prime time speeches?

Hillary's actual speech as great... but damn, she just doesnt have that gift of gab.

Tim Kaine... smh. That dude is hilarious. He always looks like he just hit the weed. I get a McGreevey vibe from him too.

curious to see what type of bump Hillary gets. DNC was so professional.

and last but not least, Bernie Bros. I dont have a problem with the shirts or even the signs.... but during the speech? nah... not cool.

I'm still in the burn it down from the inside so I appreciate how HRC didnt scrub the place of TPP signs and other peotest signs. That shit is cool IMO, but stfu during the speech.

If Bernie won would the Bros let HRC's people protest and wear shirts? Prolly not and i cant get with that double standard.

I feel a little better after last night. I may not be 100% on board but I think HRC said everything we wanted when it comes to tryong to unify the party. I just hope she sticks to her word and doesnt do a 180 once in office.

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