The other thread is reaching the usual critical mass where it takes too damn long to load. So I hereby propose we move the discussion of the events on days 3 and 4 over here.

So what's the plan for the coming days? The headliner for day 3 is Barack Obama. Someone just mentioned we'll have Mike Bloomberg as well (mneh... strategy and all that). Who else? At some point I think we'll hear from Joe Biden. And obviously Tim Kaine will have a prominent spot on Wednesday or Thursday.

Day 4 of course is the big close, where the headline will probably be that Hillary isn't as good a speaker as the headliners from the earlier nights. Maybe she'll benefit from low expectations, though. We'll also hear from whatever VP didn't speak on Wednesday. What else am I forgetting?

At any rate, this convention really seems to be coming together. Props to Bernie for working so hard for party unity, and to Michelle Obama for a speech for the ages.

same fire ya'll

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like chill bruh damn

HRC

the pre-emptive plea cop

"And the reality is that, yes, we need third parties. And you know what? I would defend the rights—I mean, I’ve gone to jail, frankly, in multiple states defending people’s rights to participate. I believe there should be third parties. I’ve fought for ranked choice voting. I would love to see you guys get somebody to be mayor of Oakland, and not just Richmond. But the reality is that what you do is you start with the presidency, and you don’t think about the consequences. For you to sit here and suggest that people should vote for you in swing states is irresponsible.

And the reality is that if a Trump is in the White House, yes, we will blame a lot of things, and we will talk about all the dumb mistakes, and, yes, we should have had Bernie Sanders, who absolutely was polling much higher and is strong—we can go through all of that. We will do all that Monday morning quarterbacking. We will also talk about the role of the Green Party. If you guys are going to actually go in there and—you know, people have a choice between, yes, a neoliberal, a neofascist and the Green Party; let’s be honest, voting for the Green Party in a swing state helps the neofascist."

(c) Ben Jealous

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I believe it was on twitter...?

#ImWithNina

The story is being walked back to 'mistreated'

former D Sen from Ohio

active in Bern's campaign, and potential VP nominee

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I'll wait for her to speak on it

doubt anybody is arguing that something DIDN'T happen.

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http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2016/07/bernie_sanders_backer_nina_tur.html

Nina Turner, the former state senator from Ohio who emerged as one of Bernie Sanders' most passionate champions, planned to deliver a speech nominating Sanders for president at the Democratic National Convention.

But Turner, in a telephone interview Wednesday with cleveland.com, said that when she arrived here Tuesday at the Wells Fargo Center, she was barred from going backstage. Instead, she was sent to speak with Sanders' staff.

"They would not allow it," Turner said.

Turner would not elaborate on who made the decision. A Sanders representative did not immediately respond to a request for comment. Nor did spokesmen for Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton or the Democratic National Committee.

But Turner had ruffled feathers among the Clinton team and DNC. Even as Sanders came to the realization that his campaign had fallen short of Clinton's, Turner remained one of his top surrogates. She had been critical of how outgoing DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz presided over primary season. And there were efforts this week by Sanders' fans to nominate her for vice president instead of Virginia Sen. Tim Kaine, whom Clinton chose as her running mate.

The bitterness dates to last fall, when Turner switched her allegiance to Sanders. The former Cleveland city councilwoman and high-ranking Ohio Democratic Party leader was among Clinton's early backers. Former President Bill Clinton helped raise money for her unsuccessful Ohio secretary of state run in 2014.

Turner said Wednesday that she and Rep. Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii had been set to deliver speeches placing Sanders' name in nomination. The Tuesday exercise was meant to show respect for the Vermont senator's loyal supporters, even though Clinton had more than enough pledged delegates for a first-ballot nomination.

Gabbard gave her speech as planned. Turner was replaced.

Sanders ended the subsequent roll call by asking for a unanimous convention vote in Clinton's favor. But some of his allies remained frustrated and walked out of the arena to stage a silent protest. And later that night, false reports spread that the DNC and Clinton campaign had stripped Turner of her convention credentials.

A group of Sanders supporters -- including Hollywood stars Danny Glover and Susan Sarandon -- protested Turner's exclusion at a Wednesday evening rally and news conference staged inside the convention's media filing center.

Reporters outnumbered the demonstrators. Many in the crowd could be heard asking, "Who is Nina Turner?" or incorrectly describing her biography.

Turner and a spokeswoman both told cleveland.com earlier Wednesday that she had no involvement in the event and would not attend. But Turner arrived about an hour after it began, as only Sarandon a few stragglers remained.

"Thank you, Nina!" they called out as news cameras swarmed her.

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but some other shit

that said, Hoping for good things for her and Tulsi

instead of focusing on the situation

Nina was a Democratic Senator

this isn't a Bernie Bro thing

+2 Black Female, at this DNC

she was going to give a token salute to Bern, then Tulsi would second, then Bern would move to nominate HRC <-- the last 2 happened anyway

it wasn't that big of a deal to begin with

but she was silenced

IDK what exactly you're defending here

IRT the security issues

I would assume if you are removed from the speaking schedule and never notified <-- her official statement

I would assume that compounds into being denied access to the stage and probably removed from the area

stripped clearance and ejected could be the same thing as removed from the speaking schedule

$.02

anyway, it goes to my bigger point

nobody is going to argue whether she's a democrat

how is this unifying the party?

Trump sat front row for Cruz's speech

and everybody was beside themselves at how protesters were being treated at his rallies

same fire ya'll.

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pretty sure this is the DNC shutting her out and using Bernie's people to do it so,it doesnt appear like HRC and them are behind it.

Especially if Bill helped raise funds for her and then she switched to Bernie...

its politics and if they scratch your back and you put a knife in theirs by switching endorsements best believe you wont be speaking at the convention.

of course they wont own it and say they forced her off or stripped her of credentials but yall niggas know thats exactly what happened when it all went down.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

I'm not "defending" anything. I'm pointing out that the things you and others claimed happened didn't happen.

That's it

I would imagine a bystander might describe what happened as originally reported

this isn't a HS talent show

this event has top level security

if you are removed from the speaking schedule

without being notified

I would imagine, with secret service crawling throughout the venue

that you wouldn't have access to be where she was anymore

so yes, IMO, what happened onsite, w/o notice, was that her credentials to be backstage were revoked and she was escorted from that area

again, I don't understand what you're debating

that it didn't happen

that it didn't happen as originally reported

???

I'll let you tell me what happened

go...

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Some other things happened

I don't even know what you're rambling on about at this point

break it down for me 1 time

what happened?

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But feel free to write another tedious post about language or whatever.

to her, it's on his twitter.

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I support your right to dissent...To take a stand...U have been very clear and concise about why u cannot support the Democratic nominee...

But at the very least u can do so without peddling bullshit...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

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seems like the dnc legitimately fucked her over but that people are misrepresenting it for their own interests.

also looks likely (but i can't call it) some bernie-or-busters are championing her without her willing involvement.

but really hard to tell because i can't find much directly from her, just vague tweets from yesterday and a couple vague phone interviews.

She is about to speak at a press conference, livestreamed by The Real News Network

http://therealnews.com/t2/

after quite a few minutes of prepprepprepprep that seemed pretty haphazard.

glover and sarandon there, i don't like that.

and after hours to clarify today, they're running out of time before stuff starts happening on the floor.

this is not a good look.

Bill's speech tonight was so good...making that personal connection like only he can, reminding the electorate that Hillary is a real person, reminded the electorate of all her social service.

To that last point, the "mothers of the struggle" was so damn powerful. If you weren't touched by that, you have no emotion.

The planning and strategy of the election thus far has been excellent. Day 1 showing the progressiveness of the platform while acknowledging the Bernie supporters and Day 2 personalizing Hillary to the electorate. Tomorrow nights docket headlined by Barack, I cannot wait to hear it.

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"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
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i fucking love this mess.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YttscNOoAjA

base is going to be smiling so hard. some people are gonna be so mad. elizabeth banks is a national treasure.

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he laid the foundation
history
who she is
what she's become
tonight they'll make the case....

but it never picked up steam.

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It started slow but came around and ended really strong. Still think since he went thru the story he should have mentioned his big mistake and how hard it was for her, would have been more empathetic rather than ignoring it all together.

On the other hand, it also could have come off as manipulative and calculating to get quite so personal in a convention speech. So they might have considered it and decided against it.

He did talk about how she put her budding career on hold to follow him, and that he hopes it wasn't a mistake. I wish he'd pushed that a little bit harder, because I'm sure it would have connected with a lot of people.

i dont think bringing up the obvious would be a good idea.

did he really call Hillarys momma crusty? lmao

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"Hillary is tough and loyal, and will not shirk from the high glare of scrutiny caused by the floodlight of controversy; I know this for a fact, because when I fell woefully short of expectations and certainly wasn't at my best, Hillary stood with me, forgave me and continued to fight for me, my presidency and for our country. Hillary stood firm with me against all odds, and she will do the same for you, the people of America"


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

I read what you wrote and my initial impression is that it sounds like: "She's a good woman because she stands by her man." That's literally something that she said she *doesn't* do at the beginning of their career in national politics, and it undermines a lot of the feminist story that they're trying to play up.

I agree that "she'll stick by you (the country) even when it's hard" is a good angle. But infidelity is an extremely touchy subject, and I can see why they would be very cautious about it.

like its the end of the world.

shit hurts, it's ugly, it's messy...

but the whole "why did she stay, why didn't she leave" is frustrating.

nothing an SO does after infidelity will turn the clock back. It's really none of our damn business what a person does once they find out they been played.

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but hey she'll definitely get our superpredators in check.

The whole speech would have felt a little more genuine if he just adknowledge it like that and painted it as an asset to her character. The whole love story bit of his speech kinda made me cringe, not because of what he did but because it made the omission more glaring.
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It was kind of a challenging dynamic. He couldn't talk policy, or people would claim he's running for a third term. It was a 'presidential spouse' speech, which he's not used to giving, and we're not at all used to seeing from him.

But for the most part I'd say it did its job. Middle America will like the personal stories. And the stuff about the 'made-up Hillary' is crucial.

I get the policy part but i expected a few darts that would get the crowd energized.

felt like i was at a wedding reception

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That speech was boring - and in some instances - quite awkward.
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This was intended to recapture her humanity which was stripped away during the RNC. He described the evolution of their relationship and described her work as an agent of change at a young age. That thread will carry through as Biden and Obama talk about her recent work. These speeches should not be judged within a vacuum.

Personalizing Hillary and her work in social justice. In terms of the latter, the "mothers of the movement" was so powerful...there's no way anyone could watch that and not have some emotions stirred.

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"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
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"why are so many young African American boys getting locked up with adult criminals..." or something to that effect.

It wasn't the locking em up that was problematic..you just don't want em with adults.

I mean that $hit was smooth. He basically sold her to the country. I think the 'real vs. made-up' part was pretty clever. It was all bullshit but it sounded good.

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And some how turned black lives matter=African vaccines lol
I'm sitting here like dis MF.
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