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Big Kuntry
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"Frank Ocean Coming Back Like The Prodigal Son"
Sat Jul-02-16 06:15 PM by Big Kuntry

  

          

I knew he would come back for us!

http://www.boysdontcry.co/

Coming this month!

  

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RE: Frank Ocean Coming Back Like The Prodigal Son
Jul 02nd 2016
1
This Friday August 5th 'Boys Don't Cry'
Aug 01st 2016
2
Blah blah blah.
Aug 01st 2016
3
Channel Zero was garb.
Aug 01st 2016
4
orange, bruh...
Aug 02nd 2016
6
nah, there were a few cuts on that joint
Aug 02nd 2016
7
Yeah there was a few cuts I fuk wit but, overall it was a D+
Aug 02nd 2016
8
      WOW!
Aug 02nd 2016
9
      damn.. it wasnt that bad. I give it a C+
Aug 02nd 2016
10
           I can agree with this grade...
Aug 03rd 2016
20
                I don't get it. I found that tape boring as fuck, lol.
Aug 03rd 2016
30
                     I disagree but I can definitely see how folks can view it that way
Aug 03rd 2016
39
                     tape had a few joints but too much filler
Aug 05th 2016
73
Revisionist history you niggas is trying to pull
Aug 02nd 2016
11
lmao.. now this is some revisionist history
Aug 03rd 2016
15
      Ill revise; 8 Classics
Aug 03rd 2016
19
           RE: Ill revise; 8 Classics
Aug 03rd 2016
22
           You're right. Pyramids wasn't classic. It was EPIC
Aug 03rd 2016
45
                lmao... i like that song but lmao... thats funny
Aug 04th 2016
61
           SWEET LIFE was flames too, that album is PERFECT!
Aug 03rd 2016
24
           Not perfect. Definitely too long. But definitely one of the best of 2012
Aug 03rd 2016
49
           no Sweet Life, Pilot Jones, Super Rich Kids??!! BLASPHEMER!!!!
Aug 03rd 2016
37
           Ok. I admit I fucked up with Sweet Life dammit
Aug 03rd 2016
43
           completely agree with this assessment
Aug 04th 2016
57
How do you feel about the Soggy Waters album by Redman?
Aug 03rd 2016
53
      That Snoop Poodlestyle album is a classic for sure
Aug 21st 2016
124
I'm giving him the D'Angelo/Dr. Dre/Lauryn Hill treatment.....
Aug 02nd 2016
5
Me too.
Aug 02nd 2016
12
tough crowd. it's only been 3 yrs
Aug 02nd 2016
13
      The subtle trolling is what gets me....
Aug 02nd 2016
14
           less talented artist can throw shit at the wall and see what sticks
Aug 03rd 2016
16
           All true.
Aug 03rd 2016
17
           leave Maxwell outta that list.
Aug 24th 2016
146
Kinda risky not dropping a single for the album.
Aug 03rd 2016
18
RE: Kinda risky not dropping a single for the album.
Aug 03rd 2016
21
      ionno... he aint no Sade...
Aug 03rd 2016
23
           it'll be #1 on iTunes before this weekend is over.
Aug 03rd 2016
25
           its not hard to be #1 on itunes...
Aug 03rd 2016
31
                It is when the album is an Apple Exclusive
Aug 03rd 2016
48
                     wouldnt that make it easier to be #1 on itunes?
Aug 04th 2016
58
                          The album isn't supposed to be on itunes
Aug 06th 2016
81
                               shit. i had no idea... thx.
Aug 08th 2016
104
                               RE: The album isn't supposed to be on itunes
Aug 20th 2016
116
           RE: ionno... he aint no Sade...
Aug 03rd 2016
28
                Yup. Look at all the mainstream attention
Aug 03rd 2016
36
Man, I wish I wasn't drunk when I met his cousin July 4th
Aug 03rd 2016
26
Any info on what happened between him and OF?
Aug 03rd 2016
27
there is no more OF
Aug 03rd 2016
33
smh.. that fame yo
Aug 03rd 2016
29
Met his dad over a year ago in Chi
Aug 03rd 2016
32
RE: Met his dad over a year ago in Chi
Aug 03rd 2016
34
      Wow@this line
Aug 03rd 2016
35
      Doesn't this also prevent it from being libel?
Aug 03rd 2016
47
      I meant can't...
Aug 03rd 2016
52
Are you sure they were related?
Aug 03rd 2016
46
      i never went to any of those sites to see what they said
Aug 04th 2016
55
so 8 to 11 good tracks out of 14, and cats is giving out C & D grades?
Aug 03rd 2016
38
I'd give it a C
Aug 03rd 2016
40
thanks for the different perspective, respect.
Aug 03rd 2016
41
I didn't love "Channel Orange" but I'm interested in the new album
Aug 03rd 2016
42
      what are your 4?
Aug 03rd 2016
44
           RE: what are your 4?
Aug 03rd 2016
50
I fuck with a few songs on both projects
Aug 03rd 2016
51
I didnt realize the boards was this polarized on Channel Orange
Aug 03rd 2016
54
The boards aren't that polarized. They're just dead.
Aug 04th 2016
56
i think you are lying to yourself if you dont think the gay anouncement
Aug 04th 2016
59
yea, but well after people stop giving a fuck
Aug 04th 2016
62
      yeah, i dont disagree with any of that...
Aug 04th 2016
63
I always felt it should've been a more polarizing record
Aug 05th 2016
70
      Pyramids is a decade defining song?
Aug 05th 2016
72
           just for a thought exercise, let's say you're doing a Top 100 of 2010-20
Aug 05th 2016
74
           yeah, I could think of 100.
Aug 05th 2016
79
                now I want to spend all week looking for 100 songs, haha
Aug 08th 2016
101
           legs, it is my G. some times you gotta accept
Aug 05th 2016
75
           bruh, I love both parts of that song but it isn't fucking with Adorn
Aug 05th 2016
78
                Ahh I get what u sayin. Fair enough
Aug 06th 2016
91
           Pyramids was a bold choice for a single but it didn't define the decade....
Aug 05th 2016
76
                exactly
Aug 05th 2016
77
goddamn YOU PEOPLE for blowing this post up
Aug 04th 2016
60
YOU PEOPLE?!
Aug 04th 2016
65
      OKP's... duh
Aug 06th 2016
83
RE: Frank Ocean Coming Back Like The Prodigal Son
Aug 04th 2016
64
did it drop?
Aug 05th 2016
66
RE: Frank Ocean Coming Back Like The Prodigal Son
Aug 05th 2016
67
This right here has me in *tears*
Aug 05th 2016
68
track 8
Aug 05th 2016
69
      Yup! That one put it over the top! n/m
Aug 05th 2016
      Yup! That one put it over the top! n/m
Aug 05th 2016
71
Yooooo LMAO
Aug 06th 2016
80
Man, fuck this nigga! I fell for the okey doke...
Aug 06th 2016
82
I got the leak, it's aight.
Aug 06th 2016
84
you talking about tracker? them dudes are thorough.
Aug 20th 2016
113
I don't get it either.....
Aug 06th 2016
85
      and David Bowie just dropped a near classic while dying.
Aug 06th 2016
86
      he also had a 10 year gap before his recent productivity
Aug 06th 2016
89
           unfortunately a lot of trash artists are prolific....
Aug 06th 2016
94
           kendrick has put out a lot over the past few years
Aug 07th 2016
99
           after releasing 25 albums in about 27 years
Aug 07th 2016
96
                exactly...Bowie was like the Pop God of the 70s
Aug 07th 2016
97
                Even Sade put out 3 albums in 4 years in the beginning
Aug 08th 2016
107
                yeah but say that then
Aug 07th 2016
98
                     lmao.. why does he need to say the obvious?
Aug 08th 2016
103
      And it's not even the wait that bothers me
Aug 06th 2016
87
      because these new jacks aint shit in reality
Aug 06th 2016
88
      its because most of these artist arent that talented
Aug 06th 2016
90
           This ain't too off base, but...
Aug 06th 2016
92
           yeah, one can hope
Aug 06th 2016
93
                RE: yeah, one can hope
Aug 08th 2016
109
           this is it
Aug 07th 2016
95
           bruh, as soon as I saw Frank perform...
Aug 08th 2016
100
           He's talented. He needs what alot of these artists need: music comp.
Aug 08th 2016
106
people dont know whats good/ not good anymore (c) Robert Glasper
Aug 08th 2016
102
Man fuck frank ocean
Aug 08th 2016
105
seriously, that's how i feel
Aug 08th 2016
108
Lol! People are really upset about this
Aug 19th 2016
111
No chatter about whatever it was he just released?
Aug 19th 2016
110
that's putting it mildly
Aug 20th 2016
112
      For once me and atruhead agree.
Aug 20th 2016
114
           damn...lol
Aug 20th 2016
115
I just hope the vocal effect on Nikes isn't used on the album version
Aug 20th 2016
117
Agreed. Last minute is ok because it's his normal voice.
Aug 20th 2016
118
the real album is called Blonde
Aug 20th 2016
119
And it's really good
Aug 20th 2016
120
      Self Control = 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Aug 20th 2016
121
      RE: And it's really good
Aug 20th 2016
122
75% of the album has no percussion... This simply does not work for me
Aug 20th 2016
123
James Blake influence?
Aug 21st 2016
125
      Uhh outside the Ballads. Blake's album has some nasty drum sounds
Aug 21st 2016
126
           75% of his shit is ballads tho
Aug 21st 2016
131
He best release a different version after it's not an apple exclusive
Aug 21st 2016
127
yeah, i wanted to like this shit... i waited til today to listen to it
Aug 22nd 2016
136
lol! DAMN yall some impossible to please ungrateful azz niggas
Aug 21st 2016
128
*hands you a box of soiled diapers for last Christmas*
Aug 21st 2016
129
unfortunately that's not how any of this works
Aug 21st 2016
130
lmao.. so people have to like shit when its finally released?
Aug 21st 2016
133
I'll gladly take my L.
Aug 21st 2016
132
so the consensus in here is that the projects are trash?
Aug 22nd 2016
134
Please come back with your thoughts when you're done lol
Aug 22nd 2016
135
Cmon man, what'd you think?
Aug 24th 2016
142
LOL, still havent listened. by this weekend i'll post my thoughts
Aug 24th 2016
145
If OKPs say it's trash, then it's probably the BEST ALBUM EVER....
Aug 24th 2016
143
      ^^^^^^..
Aug 24th 2016
155
           You too! Please come back with your thoughts after listening. n/m
Aug 24th 2016
161
no comment on the 3K shot @ Drake, et.al?
Aug 22nd 2016
137
If you're referring to the part about thinking ppl wrote their own rhyme...
Aug 22nd 2016
138
hence the 'et.al.'
Aug 22nd 2016
139
      lol ok
Aug 22nd 2016
140
I loved it...
Aug 22nd 2016
141
I love it *shrug* and endless is just as genius. Not to mention he relea...
Aug 24th 2016
144
that nigga about to get PAID
Aug 24th 2016
147
nah he's about to get SUED
Aug 24th 2016
158
      I don't think Def Jam has a case....
Aug 25th 2016
163
RE: I love it *shrug* and endless is just as genius. Not to mention he r...
Aug 24th 2016
149
      Prob also why Endless is only a video right now..
Aug 24th 2016
150
           RE: Prob also why Endless is only a video right now..
Aug 24th 2016
152
                Exactly. I get that. Read my post again
Aug 24th 2016
153
                     so no one has posted endless to youtube yet? or cut...
Aug 24th 2016
156
                     RE: Exactly. I get that. Read my post again
Aug 24th 2016
159
                          Agree but for re-listening not having it split into tracks is annoying
Aug 25th 2016
167
This dude is a terrible singer...TURRABULL
Aug 24th 2016
148
he's always been terrible at singing
Aug 24th 2016
151
I think Blonde is a very brave album
Aug 24th 2016
154
fucking hell Blond is HUFF. havent heard Endless yet
Aug 24th 2016
157
Blond is garbage and it's better than Endless. n/m
Aug 24th 2016
160
my roommate plays his stuff all day long
Aug 25th 2016
162
Money Quote on Frank making off like a bandit....(Billboard)
Aug 25th 2016
164
producer for the Roots told us this back in early 2000's...
Aug 25th 2016
165
RE: producer for the Roots told us this back in early 2000's...
Aug 25th 2016
166
Fck exclusives though, he still a slave to a master....if he released
Aug 25th 2016
168
      yeah...I don't get the exclusive thing either...
Aug 25th 2016
169
      They already got him (link)
Aug 27th 2016
173
thoughts
Aug 26th 2016
170
RE: Frank Ocean Coming Back Like The Prodigal Son
Aug 26th 2016
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RE: Frank Ocean Coming Back Like The Prodigal Son
Aug 27th 2016
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RE: Frank Ocean Coming Back Like The Prodigal Son
Aug 27th 2016
177
      Forrest Gump has drums in it.
Aug 28th 2016
179
I don't have a nuanced response... For me to enjoy an album, I need drum...
Aug 27th 2016
174
He don't have Joni's voice bruh
Aug 27th 2016
175
      RE: He don't have Joni's voice bruh <- basically
Aug 27th 2016
176
      RE: He don't have Joni's voice bruh
Aug 27th 2016
178
      Something really important here...
Aug 28th 2016
180

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1. "RE: Frank Ocean Coming Back Like The Prodigal Son"
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Hope he does....

but LOL at the only two entries being a year apart

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2. "This Friday August 5th 'Boys Don't Cry'"
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/02/arts/music/frank-ocean-boys-dont-cry-apple-release-date.html

  

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3. "Blah blah blah."
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I'll believe it when I effing hear it. Ha.

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4. "Channel Zero was garb. "
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6. "orange, bruh..."
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but i respect your opinion. *salute*

  

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7. "nah, there were a few cuts on that joint"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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8. "Yeah there was a few cuts I fuk wit but, overall it was a D+"
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9. "WOW!"
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10. "damn.. it wasnt that bad. I give it a C+"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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20. "I can agree with this grade..."
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It wasn't a horrible album but it was definitely a letdown from "Nostalgia Ultra" which was a much better listen, IMO. I don't care if it falls into that mixtape category. It was just flat out better than "Channel Orange."

  

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30. "I don't get it. I found that tape boring as fuck, lol."
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Particularly Novacine. Only thing that impressed me about that 'mixtape' is how fully formed+self assured it was for a dude that came basically out of nowhere...it's a well put together album.

Just a boring one.

  

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39. "I disagree but I can definitely see how folks can view it that way"
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One of my favorite things about "Nostalgia Ultra" was the songwriting. Just about every song had a theme or a focus and didn't deviate from it. There weren't any generic, stereotypical R&B songs on it.

  

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73. "tape had a few joints but too much filler"
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and I feel the same way about CO. 3 or 4 good cuts but half the album felt like the songs weren't really finished.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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11. "Revisionist history you niggas is trying to pull"
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It was flames and critically acclaimed. Only flaw is that the motherfucker was long as shit and could have been cut, but you had 10 classics on that joint easy.

  

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15. "lmao.. now this is some revisionist history"
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the gay hype was real, it worked and he delivered a decent album but 10 classics?

there were like 4 really good songs...

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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19. "Ill revise; 8 Classics"
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01 Start
02 Thinkin Bout You -Classic
03 Fertilizer
04 Sierra Leone -Classic
05 Sweet Life
06 Not Just Money
07 Super Rich Kids (f. Earl Sweatshirt)
08 Pilot Jones
09 Crack Rock - Classic
10 Pyramids - Classic
11 Lost - Classic
12 White (f. John Mayer)
13 Monks
14 Bad Religion - Classic
15 Pink Matter (f. André 3000) - Classic
16 Forrest Gump - Classic
17 End

It's not like he was the first gay R&B dude to have a big album (RIP LUTHER) but to act like that shit wasn't played everywhere/critically acclaimed is revisionist.

  

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22. "RE: Ill revise; 8 Classics"
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>01 Start
>02 Thinkin Bout You -Classic
>03 Fertilizer
>04 Sierra Leone - no
>05 Sweet Life
>06 Not Just Money
>07 Super Rich Kids (f. Earl Sweatshirt)
>08 Pilot Jones
>09 Crack Rock - no.. good but not classic
>10 Pyramids - no.. good but not classic
>11 Lost - Classic - my shit... shoulda had a dope vid for this
>12 White (f. John Mayer)
>13 Monks
>14 Bad Religion - Classic
>15 Pink Matter (f. André 3000) - hell no
>16 Forrest Gump - hell no
>17 End
>
>It's not like he was the first gay R&B dude to have a big
>album (RIP LUTHER) but to act like that shit wasn't played
>everywhere/critically acclaimed is revisionist.
>

He was the first to openly come out right before his debut album dropped and a lot of the hype was due to this admission
>

it was a decent album but it wasnt classic shit.

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45. "You're right. Pyramids wasn't classic. It was EPIC"
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Possibly the most epic song in modern R&B, in the true sense of the word.

In time, it will be classic.

  

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61. "lmao... i like that song but lmao... thats funny"
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24. "SWEET LIFE was flames too, that album is PERFECT!"
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49. "Not perfect. Definitely too long. But definitely one of the best of 2012"
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and as far as modern r&b, top 10 of the last 5 years. A lot of folks would argue top 3 or even #1.


Which reminds me I've been meaning to make a Channel Orange vs. Malibu or a Channel Orange vs. Ology post.

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37. "no Sweet Life, Pilot Jones, Super Rich Kids??!! BLASPHEMER!!!!"
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43. "Ok. I admit I fucked up with Sweet Life dammit"
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I WILL NOT TAKE BACK RICH KIDS. I love Earl Sweatshirt but he kinda hurt that song.

  

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57. "completely agree with this assessment"
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even if i think classic might be stretching it

Too much of that album was good to great for anyone to be grading it under B

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53. "How do you feel about the Soggy Waters album by Redman?"
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"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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124. "That Snoop Poodlestyle album is a classic for sure "
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5. "I'm giving him the D'Angelo/Dr. Dre/Lauryn Hill treatment....."
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when I see it.....






which is the same treatment my family and friends give me whenever my art comes up.

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12. "Me too."
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13. "tough crowd. it's only been 3 yrs"
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that was normal when we was growing up

  

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14. "The subtle trolling is what gets me...."
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He knows people are way too thirsty for this album. Everything from the library card, the status updates, and the livestream just comes off weird.

Also, I really hate how all of the artists with relatively less talent and potential can seemingly drop projects at will while musicians who are bonafide great at what they do take forever. I wonder how different the landscape of black music would be if D'Angelo, Maxwell, and Lauryn had more albums to their credit. How would southern rap be if Andre actually dropped an official solo album. I feel like a lot of artists who had something important to say just stopped saying those things through their music. And now all we have is a bunch of trash with some decent stuff sporadically scattered within it all.

  

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16. "less talented artist can throw shit at the wall and see what sticks"
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but once you reach icon levels (and Ocean aint there yet) AND most of these artist had superteams around them the first time they dropped gems.

following up a classic with another gem is hard as shit...

i think these artist are too scared to lose that cred they built up over the years by dropping subpar shit.

i really wish these fools would drop singles tho... instead of instagram messages and twitter hints.

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17. "All true."
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146. "leave Maxwell outta that list. "
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell_(musician)#Discography

pretty consistent.

cookin'.

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18. "Kinda risky not dropping a single for the album. "
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21. "RE: Kinda risky not dropping a single for the album. "
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Not at all..

people have been waiting for the album for 3/4 years... they are gonna cop. The think pieces will pop up before the whole thing is downloaded

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23. "ionno... he aint no Sade... "
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and fans are funny, what was hot 4 years ago can easily slup under the radar. Fans also mature and move on to other things.

i dont know if he is D'Angelo, Maxwell status where fans have been waiting for it like those other artist.

i might be wrong tho...

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25. "it'll be #1 on iTunes before this weekend is over."
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31. "its not hard to be #1 on itunes... "
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48. "It is when the album is an Apple Exclusive"
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58. "wouldnt that make it easier to be #1 on itunes?"
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cant get it anywhere else so itunes sales should be off the charts.

help me out if I'm wrong

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81. " The album isn't supposed to be on itunes"
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so it can't be number one there. They're different platforms. Itunes is sales, Apple Music is streaming.

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104. "shit. i had no idea... thx. "
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I opened itunes a while back and was totally confused by the new set up.

that shit sounds like a bad idea on apples part

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116. "RE: The album isn't supposed to be on itunes"
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Not sure if "Endless" is the album actually.. Guess we'll see

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28. "RE: ionno... he aint no Sade... "
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There is no other Frank Ocean... he doesn't have a bootleg/alt version that has filled in the space... people are waiting it has become a "thing" to say you are waiting and people will cop..

It will be one of the bigger musical moments of the year and people will want to be involved...

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36. "Yup. Look at all the mainstream attention"
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/entertainthis/2016/08/01/frank-ocean-boys-dont-cry-live-stream-video/87906842/

http://time.com/4432730/frank-ocean-new-album-boys-dont-cry/

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/02/arts/music/frank-ocean-boys-dont-cry-apple-release-date.html?_r=0

The first couple of days its going to be a frenzy for everyone just wanting to be first. If it's got honest to good singles also, he might own the end of the summer.

  

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26. "Man, I wish I wasn't drunk when I met his cousin July 4th"
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Dude told me sooooo much about him, and why it was such a huge delay with this album. Shit like how Frank's own dad sued him...all type of family and business issues beyond the music itself.

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27. "Any info on what happened between him and OF?"
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And/or any info on what happened to OF in general??

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33. "there is no more OF"
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Tyler switched up and probably felt he did enough for everyone else, not wanting to deal with freeloaders

Hodgy Beats went off about it on stage at the OF carnival last year then they had a fake reconciliation to do damage control a few days later, that bridge is burned forever

Domo Genesis dropped a good album this year

Earl will eat forever because he has a loyal fan base

  

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29. "smh.. that fame yo"
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32. "Met his dad over a year ago in Chi "
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He was in town on some FEMA business, had a random convo about floods and Frank...

I can believe he sued him lol.

  

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34. "RE: Met his dad over a year ago in Chi "
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http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/the-juice/6251468/frank-oceans-dad-sues-russell-simmons-for-142-million-report

Frank Ocean's father is suing hip-hop mogul Russell Simmons for calling him a deadbeat dad, requesting $142 million in damages.

Ocean's dad, Calvin Cooksey, has been absent from his son's life since the R&B crooner was five years old, TMZ reports, and now he's claiming Simmons unfairly portrayed him as a bad dad on his website Global Grind.

Cooksey's libel claim, he says, will cause a loss of future income for the self-described singer, writer and inventor. As well, he has taken offense that Simmons' website did not use his actual name.

Cooksey blames Ocean's mother for his absence, calling her "money grubbing" and saying he wasn't allowed to be a father to his son.

In December 2012, Ocean tweeted his father wanted to sue him for $1 million. In a post, later deleted, he wrote, "Father wanna sue me for a million. Like I owe him back child support. Weak individual bought me a swiss knife at 6yrs old then dipped on me."

As of publishing, representatives for Simmons and Ocean had not responded to requests for comment.

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35. "Wow@this line"
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> As
>well, he has taken offense that Simmons' website did not use
>his actual name.

What a piece of shit human being.

  

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47. "Doesn't this also prevent it from being libel?"
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Why sue and make yourself known? NO ONE knew who he was and Frank hasn't seen him in years.

Complete douche.

  

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52. "I meant can't..."
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...and I guess it was his stepfather then because dude name definitely wasn't Calvin.

Sucks to see that pettiness.

  

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46. "Are you sure they were related?"
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I got the same info from Bossip.

Something tells me he doesn't mess with too much family outside of his mom and sister.

  

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55. "i never went to any of those sites to see what they said "
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But he talked for a good 30 min about things in depth, definitely nothing from the blog sites. His name is Sylvester, he's a singer and writer as well

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38. "so 8 to 11 good tracks out of 14, and cats is giving out C & D grades?"
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*sheesh*

  

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40. "I'd give it a C"
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just wasn't feeling more than 3-4 songs. I've gone back to it a few times in case I missed something, but it never worked for me.

not really waiting on this next joint either.

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41. "thanks for the different perspective, respect."
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42. "I didn't love "Channel Orange" but I'm interested in the new album"
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I disagree with the 8-11 good tracks assessment. I would also say there were about 4 that I really liked so it gets a C+ from me.

I will give him another chance though. I'll check for this new album when it drops.

  

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44. "what are your 4?"
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50. "RE: what are your 4?"
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Thinkin Bout You
Pyramids
Lost
Bad Religion

There are other songs that I think are OK. But to me, these 4 are the standout tracks.

  

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51. "I fuck with a few songs on both projects"
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but overall I DID NOT LIKE Nostalgia ULTRA and was lukewarm on Orange.

the songs of his I love I really, really love, but most of it just doesn't hit for me. Strong melodically but just annoying word choice or repetitive songwriting.

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54. "I didnt realize the boards was this polarized on Channel Orange"
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I cant believe folks are pushing the 'gay agenda' bullshit. I can understand if youre not feeling it or think it was overhyped, but damn. Album coulda been trimmed but the money songs are EPIC. In fact, I'm almost afraid the new album is gonna let me down. I'd rather it not come out then it be mediocre. I am that invested and i feel idiotic for that lol.

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56. "The boards aren't that polarized. They're just dead."
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So a few voices are able to seem louder than they would have before.
Channel Orange is not polarizing like that and wasn't when it came out here either.

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59. "i think you are lying to yourself if you dont think the gay anouncement"
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wasnt a marketing ploy.

not saying it was the only reason or biggest but it definitely was timed to help hype up the release.


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62. "yea, but well after people stop giving a fuck"
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the album still gets as much praise as it did initially

not to mention...that may have helped pull in part of his audience but it also preemptively pushed certain audiences further away

it may have been mostly marketing but even so...people still love that album and i don't think its done much for its lasting impression

Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

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63. "yeah, i dont disagree with any of that... "
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I'm not sure what it has to do with my original statement about using it for marketing purposes...

its a good album but IMO that shit is no where close to a classic.

critically acclaimed is a better description.

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70. "I always felt it should've been a more polarizing record"
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Thinkin' About You and Pyramids are stellar songs, Sweet Life and Forrest Gump stuck with my cultural memory of the album...but the rest of it always felt a little half-baked to me. I was never enamored with Frank's songwriting style, though, most of his songs rub me that way. Aside from the money cuts Frank songs often give me the feeling of looking at a photograph that was intentionally taken while the camera was moving just a little bit. He doesn't have that 'effortless' feeling to me, but the sense of 'effort' I get from him isn't all that appetizing either.

(Scanning the album as I wrote this, I also recall digging Crack Rock a lot.)

I'll be happy to hear this album but I was right in the middle of my music critic side gig and I felt a little baffled by how universal the praise for Channel Orange was from all my peers. It was one of the only albums where I felt the consensus opinion on an album was a little overwhelming and undue; reading the think pieces now, I still find it VERY odd how many people find him to be some kind of luminary voice in R&B. He has a unique voice and in that genre that definitely counts for something but The Weeknd's first and third mixtapes were better full projects. In 2012 alone I preferred Jeremih's Late Nights mixtape that year, it didn't have a tentpole, decade-defining song like "Pyramids" but I felt it was more thorough front to back.


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72. "Pyramids is a decade defining song?"
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smh... I like the song and all but decade defining? Classic?

yall niggas really trying to take it there?

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74. "just for a thought exercise, let's say you're doing a Top 100 of 2010-20"
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you got 100 songs right now that you're putting on that list before you do Pyramids? I don't. granted there's a whole back third of the decade left to go but I'm pretty confident that song remains in that conversation.


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79. "yeah, I could think of 100. "
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It's not even the best song on the album

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101. "now I want to spend all week looking for 100 songs, haha"
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I agree that Thinkin' Bout You is catchier, more relatable, more general, etc., but there's just something about Pyramids that captures the times for me.


Both songs would hit my 100 list, I'm not trying to argue either/or. My issue is with the idea there might be Thinkin' Bout You and 99 other songs that all take precedence over Pyramids.


Also think I made it clear that I find Frank Ocean pretty underwhelming as an overall artist, but wanted to reiterate that. I'm definitely not in the camp that expects him to repeat either of those two songs again on whatever this new album is; I'm not even expecting a Crack Rock or Forrest Gump. I'll definitely listen but I'm not on the side of the tracks that expects anything more than an album with some songs on it.


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75. "legs, it is my G. some times you gotta accept "
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that you or I are not on the pulse of things popular or alt-pop (Frank falls into the latter imo). I personally love only the second half of that song, BUT for the gen half a decade under me (im half a decade under you), seeing that song in public, it for sure is a decade defining son

  

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78. "bruh, I love both parts of that song but it isn't fucking with Adorn"
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it's a great song but it isn't THAT song.



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91. "Ahh I get what u sayin. Fair enough"
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Personally I dig pyramids more, but I see what u sayin

  

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76. "Pyramids was a bold choice for a single but it didn't define the decade...."
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Thinkin About You is the song that stuck with absolutely everyone. That song's the bonafide classic that everyone will remember if they don't remember any other track.


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77. "exactly"
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60. "goddamn YOU PEOPLE for blowing this post up "
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making me think the album is about to come out or something


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65. "YOU PEOPLE?!"
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83. "OKP's... duh "
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64. "RE: Frank Ocean Coming Back Like The Prodigal Son"
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Wish he actually put this on Channel Orange

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phQ02mUCECc

and not just the snippet

Im just waiting for the official version of Summer Remains.. cuz >>>>>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KB_VSwJEXSE

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66. "did it drop? "
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67. "RE: Frank Ocean Coming Back Like The Prodigal Son"
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https://twitter.com/KennyKnox97/status/761461824558604289

  

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68. "This right here has me in *tears*"
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpF3S0VVMAEvPGz.jpg

  

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69. "track 8"
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"Yup! That one put it over the top! n/m"


  

          

  

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71. "Yup! That one put it over the top! n/m"
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80. "Yooooo LMAO"
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#NP: Janelle Monae-DC, Pusha T-Daytona, Royce-Book of Ryan, Blue Note All-Stars-OPOV, Chris Dave/Drumhedz-Glow, Conway-GOAT, Black Milk-Fever, KRIT-4eva Is a Mighty.., Phonte-NNIGN, August Greene, Jericho Jackson
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82. "Man, fuck this nigga! I fell for the okey doke..."
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Dude is trying way too hard to be some sort of an enigma for no reason.

This the most lamest & unnecessary bs that I've ever seen from an artist.

  

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84. "I got the leak, it's aight."
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My sources are Russian tho so niggas prolly won't fuck with it.

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113. "you talking about tracker? them dudes are thorough. "
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"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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85. "I don't get it either....."
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How is it that artists could drop classics consistently years prior but these artists now take forever?

Prince dropped every year.
MJ dropped seven in his first fifteen years.....while touring.
Miles....almost 50 studio albums.

Frank? Massive hype. Dropped 1.5 albums.
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86. "and David Bowie just dropped a near classic while dying."
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89. "he also had a 10 year gap before his recent productivity"
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*some* people today take a long time. *some* people today don't. just like some people back then took a long time, and some were more prolific.

the way we consume music, and he media industry that surrounds it, makes that hype so much worse though. it's a gift and a curse for someone like frank ocean, and for his fan base.

but there are plenty of people today who are basically dropping an album a year and touring.

  

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94. "unfortunately a lot of trash artists are prolific...."
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I want to see someone who's bonafide brilliant pull off a run like Prince or Miles now. Imagine how shit would change if someone on Kendrick Lamar's level put out songs and features at the speed of Future.

  

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99. "kendrick has put out a lot over the past few years"
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chance has been on something new every week. kanye has respectable output. jay z got like 15 albums in 20 years even though he got rich and put on the breaks halfway through that. wayne was prolific and a genius before the label and the lifestyle addled him. lupe apparently has that work ethic, though other people are bigger fans than i am. then you got all the producers and pharrell types. and the drakes and trey songz types.

hell we're on a roots message board. them and common have large catalogs and style keep putting out music despite making it in the larger entertainment world.

ain't none of them prince but no one is or will be, but fetishizing an era ain't really paying proper respect either. i'm more than comfortable putting a few of them on the same level as bowie or bob dylan, even if changes in the industry mean they would have a hard time hitting the same numbers.

  

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96. "after releasing 25 albums in about 27 years"
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If Frank Ocean did that, he too could take as long as he wants to release another project. hell, even dangelo released two classics or near classics before his break, and then released his third classic. Frank hasn't even released a widely highly acclaimed album yet.

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97. "exactly...Bowie was like the Pop God of the 70s"
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And he was still very productive afterwards.

In R&B, D'Angelo and even Maxwell got passes on the strength of their music. They put out great material.

The best example of this is Sade. If you're putting out albums of that caliber, the public gives you more leeway. She could go another two or three years without an album and get a pass because she's given her audience classics and toured behind them.

The argument I've had about Frank Ocean is that he's a truly great songwriter who isn't totally invested in the other aspects of being a great artist. He doesn't tour heavy and he doesn't seem to want to put out new material at a constant pace. That's fine. But don't troll people who you know are supporters of your work.

The livestream is a troll move. I'm surprised he didn't paint something just so we'd have to literally watch paint dry while waiting for his album. His label only lets him do this because he was validated when he leaked his own material to acclaim.

  

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107. "Even Sade put out 3 albums in 4 years in the beginning "
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Then she started taking breaks. Frank Ocean is cool but nothing special. I don't miss the kid.

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98. "yeah but say that then"
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bowie's recent spurt pretty much came out of nowhere after focusing on his family and other interests for a good bit

i'm right with you on all the time he put in decades ago...when he was putting out lots of material, touring, *and* finding time to do shit like produce "transformer" in between.

  

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103. "lmao.. why does he need to say the obvious? "
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87. "And it's not even the wait that bothers me"
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It's this whole "I'm going to do this mysterious will I release it or will I not and play it all off as art" shit I don't like.

Just keep your fans updated, don't play with us. If it ain't coming out just say so and I can respect that.

I honestly miss when shit just came out on Tuesdays and you knew it was coming lol.

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88. "because these new jacks aint shit in reality"
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>How is it that artists could drop classics consistently years
>prior but these artists now take forever?
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>Prince dropped every year.
>MJ dropped seven in his first fifteen years.....while
>touring.
>Miles....almost 50 studio albums.
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>Frank? Massive hype. Dropped 1.5 albums.
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90. "its because most of these artist arent that talented"
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they have 20 people ghost writing on the cheap, everyone is collabing for the love of it, everyones hungry...

once the album sells a few mill everyone starts arguing over money and those same producerd, writers, etc are now in demand to make the next frank ocean.

its hard to get lightening in a bottle and its almost impossible to get the same people in the room for a follow up album.


and Frank Ocean aint no where close to those legends. He's a youhg dude who had a few good songs and a great marketing team in OF. Real talk, the nigga was pretty bad when it came to live performances.

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92. "This ain't too off base, but..."
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Word is he and James Blake cooked with each other for a while during Bkake's album recording and I hope that bleed into Frank'stop lp cause only the goodness can emerge

  

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93. "yeah, one can hope"
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James Blake is a real musician tho...



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109. "RE: yeah, one can hope"
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And has released 2 albums since Channel Orange. Frank is just a bum. I still remember his performance on one of them award shows. Shit was bad. Had me like "this the ninja y'all hyping?!"

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95. "this is it"
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>and Frank Ocean aint no where close to those legends. He's a
>youhg dude who had a few good songs and a great marketing team
>in OF. Real talk, the nigga was pretty bad when it came to
>live performances.

  

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100. "bruh, as soon as I saw Frank perform..."
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it was obvious he wasn't what we thought he was...

dude is a decent writer but it's not like we were going to see him jumping on stage and rock out..

he is a studio artist.

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106. "He's talented. He needs what alot of these artists need: music comp."
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lessons.

Him and Beyonce both. I can see the talent, but neither one of them has a good handle on how to manipulate music to build tension, and then release it in the way that makes something "good". Every now and then each of them lucks up on it, but not consistently.

Some basic music composition classes would help both of them out tremendously.

Back in the day, there was a ton fo competition on all the various music scenes: jazz, R&B, Blues, Rock. People would learn subconsciously from listening to all the other great music being made how great songs were built. That's been lost because so few people are able to make music in that way anymore.

The talent is out there. It's just not being cultivated the right way anymore.

Edited to add: Ironically, it's the guy who officially is a rapper who has the best handle on melody, at least, Drake. He pops better melodies out of the zits on his chin than any other big name in Black music right now. And even he would benefit a ton from more knowledge of music composition.

  

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102. "people dont know whats good/ not good anymore (c) Robert Glasper"
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105. "Man fuck frank ocean "
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I know he doesn't have Twitter or Instagram but he could have released some sort of statement denying it was actually coming out.

I don't care that he himself never officially said it as coming out, as soon as the NYT report hit he could have done something to stop fans from believing the obviously incorrect report.

And his stupid "livestream" was dumb too. Only way it could have been awesome was if at the end he walked toward the camera saying the album was now available or something.

Anything less and it looked like what it was: playing fans for fools.

  

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108. "seriously, that's how i feel "
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I'm to the point where I don't even give a fuck about his new music anymore. I wanna be like 'nigga your shit aint all that to be playing these kinda games" LOL

  

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111. "Lol! People are really upset about this"
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110. "No chatter about whatever it was he just released?"
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Is it safe to assume it sucked?

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112. "that's putting it mildly"
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114. "For once me and atruhead agree."
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Song sucked

Video sucked

0/2 in my book, as Endless as a whole sucked too.

  

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115. "damn...lol"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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117. "I just hope the vocal effect on Nikes isn't used on the album version"
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That's the only thing 'wrong' with the song, but it's a big thing.

If he used normal vocals, it would be a dope song.

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118. "Agreed. Last minute is ok because it's his normal voice."
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119. "the real album is called Blonde"
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it's on Apple Music now

  

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120. "And it's really good"
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lightworks
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121. "Self Control = 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥"
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122. "RE: And it's really good"
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123. "75% of the album has no percussion... This simply does not work for me"
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No matter how great the songwriting or melodies are, I feel like there's something missing when I find myself impatiently waiting for the beat drop that never comes.

Maybe I'll revisit this on a rainy melancholy day and feel different. But for now, this album will be filed under snooze fest indefinitely.

That said... Pink & White is that groove.

  

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125. "James Blake influence? "
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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126. "Uhh outside the Ballads. Blake's album has some nasty drum sounds"
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On it. From the mix, to the swing of them, to the slap

  

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131. "75% of his shit is ballads tho"
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I know the drums are there but half the time it doesnt feel like it.

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127. "He best release a different version after it's not an apple exclusive"
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Otherwise this some bullshit outside of
"Pink + White", "Self Control" and the
last part of "Nights." Dre's interlude
was the most emotionally evoking part of
the whole thing.
This just sounds like Frank was throwing out
every random musical idea he had.

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136. "yeah, i wanted to like this shit... i waited til today to listen to it"
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in its entirety.. total let-down.

  

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128. "lol! DAMN yall some impossible to please ungrateful azz niggas"
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all dat shit talkin bout how he aint release nuttin

then he finally do and yall still complainin

digital age done made errybody n they mama a record exec damn




ya asked for it, well here it is! STFU n eat ya damn peas yo

aint even been a day lol






  

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129. "*hands you a box of soiled diapers for last Christmas*"
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130. "unfortunately that's not how any of this works"
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creative people have the right to (not) release whatever they want to the world
we really dont have the right to complain about how long it's taking
but we certainly have the right to speak up if we feel the final product is shitty


>digital age done made errybody n they mama a record exec damn

this is wildly unrelated to whatever point you think you were making.

  

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133. "lmao.. so people have to like shit when its finally released? "
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thats the problem when an artist takes long as hell to release an album.

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132. "I'll gladly take my L."
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Endless and Blonde are both dope....Blonde more so. Frank Ocean's really on to something that's really not r&b or pop as we currently know it so I'm down.

I still want to see the magazine. Hopefully he follows through and mass produces that.

  

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134. "so the consensus in here is that the projects are trash?"
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good, that means it's probably flames. about to listen now.

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135. "Please come back with your thoughts when you're done lol"
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142. "Cmon man, what'd you think?"
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I really wanna know if you thought OKP was wrong
on this one.

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145. "LOL, still havent listened. by this weekend i'll post my thoughts"
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143. "If OKPs say it's trash, then it's probably the BEST ALBUM EVER...."
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Dammit, i'm not creating ANOTHER email address so I can get another Apple Music Trial to listen to yet another exclusive. This shit is getting out of control....


"Get ready....for your blessing....."

  

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155. "^^^^^^.."
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>Dammit, i'm not creating ANOTHER email address so I can get
>another Apple Music Trial to listen to yet another exclusive.
>This shit is getting out of control....
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>"Get ready....for your blessing....."

  

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Boogie Stimuli
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161. "You too! Please come back with your thoughts after listening. n/m"
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137. "no comment on the 3K shot @ Drake, et.al?"
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138. "If you're referring to the part about thinking ppl wrote their own rhyme..."
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that could have been about plenty of rappers

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139. "hence the 'et.al.'"
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140. "lol ok"
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141. "I loved it..."
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Andre 3K is the type of rapper that needed to say something about it...

  

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144. "I love it *shrug* and endless is just as genius. Not to mention he relea..."
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it independently

http://pitchfork.com/news/67748-frank-ocean-no-longer-on-def-jam-blonde-was-self-released/

  

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147. "that nigga about to get PAID"
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best thing you can do is blow up and then go indie

he can sell 1/4 of the albums to make the same money or more

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158. "nah he's about to get SUED"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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163. "I don't think Def Jam has a case...."
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because Endless is a real album that Frank submitted to Def Jam as the album. If they took it and released it, that's their fault. Def Jam should've known karma would come around....especially when their negligence on releasing Frank's first album is what started everything.
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149. "RE: I love it *shrug* and endless is just as genius. Not to mention he r..."
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Really interested to see how true the story is. I mean Def Jam may still be getting points on BLOND but it would be crazy if he delivered an album to them that they aren't selling and then dropped one for sale a day or so later..

Might be why the credits aren't done yet..

and why

"UMG DROPS THE HAMMER ON EXCLUSIVES"

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150. "Prob also why Endless is only a video right now.."
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At some point he may cut it up into tracks and put it on Apple music / itunes, but not too soon or that might cannibalize some of the sales of the album he's really making money on himself.

  

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152. "RE: Prob also why Endless is only a video right now.."
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Nah.. ENDLESS IS the Def Jam album....

Like he pulled the okey doke (if true) He gave them an album/visual they could go get a check cut from Apple

THEN did a separate deal for an Indie album that was the ACTUAL album

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153. "Exactly. I get that. Read my post again"
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The Def Jam album is in a format that makes it harder/more inconvenient to listen to (video not audio, one long track instead of split up into separate tracks). He did that so that ALL the audio streams and itunes downloads would be of the album he's personally making more $ off of. Maybe at some point he'll also split Endless up into separate audio tracks once Blonde's sales have cooled down a bit (personally i hope so), but either way he avoid having sales/listens of the Def Jam album cutting into sales/listens of the indie release.

  

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156. "so no one has posted endless to youtube yet? or cut..."
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up the songs?

  

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159. "RE: Exactly. I get that. Read my post again"
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Ok.. well there is no itunes download so I dont even know if Endless is charting. It was delivered in video format (for stream) so It is just a long video

I dont think that tracking out Endless would change whether people listened or not. I mean anyone waiting for the album wouldve listened to Endless that first day... then when Blonde dropped listened to that as well. I didnt skip through it on first listen to it being tracked out would not have mattered.

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167. "Agree but for re-listening not having it split into tracks is annoying"
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148. "This dude is a terrible singer...TURRABULL"
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this minimalist treatment only magnifies how weak his voice is

his voice can't carry a project like this

FTR, I didn't make it through the whole album

and I don't plan on trying

dude's voice reminds me of a younger sibling in that tweener stage who's vocals haven't fully developed but that won't stop them from belting out any and every tune under the sun hoping to be the next american idol and they mama posts vids of baby in the back seat bout to blow up...

cringeworthy.

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151. "he's always been terrible at singing"
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the production and lyrics kinda made up for it.

haven't heard the new stuff yet, hope there are a few joints on it

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154. "I think Blonde is a very brave album"
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Given the expectations following Channel Orange, it was bold of him to follow it up with this. I am actually digging the album a lot thus far. I don't care for some of the vocal effects, don't care for the interludes, and I'm pretty iffy about White Ferrari and Futura Free. Other than those somewhat minor gripes, I'm really digging it. Pink + White, Nights, Close To You, and Godspeed are early favorites. I really wish Close To You was longer. I'm also really digging fan of Solo, Self Control, and Ivy.
Definitely an album to be enjoyed by oneself in introspective moments more than an album to party with. There's no Sweet Life, no Thinking Bout You, no Pyramids, no Crack Rock not much 'fun' on this album, but there's definitely a lot of depth. A lot of emotion. A lot of beauty. A lot of quality. A good album worth diving into.

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157. "fucking hell Blond is HUFF. havent heard Endless yet"
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after Blond im not sure i want to.
Nikes was hot tho.

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160. "Blond is garbage and it's better than Endless. n/m"
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162. "my roommate plays his stuff all day long"
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she's a HUGE fan. he's not really my thing, but i don't hate it.

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164. "Money Quote on Frank making off like a bandit....(Billboard)"
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So they are saying Ocean could sell up to 250 K his first week....And that's the album THAT'S FOR SALE and not connected with Def Jam...Which leads to this point.....


"With Ocean almost certainly set to hit No. 1 this week via his digital-only release (in addition to streaming on Apple Music, it's for sale in the iTunes Store), it raises the question of how important a record label is at all in 2016, as services offer marketing and advance money that a label would otherwise provide. And if terrestrial radio remains the final frontier that separates successful artists from superstars, well, a company like Apple has a digital version of that, too, with its Beats 1 Radio stations....."

The boy playing chess....

link: http://www.billboard.com/articles/business/7487032/frank-ocean-endless-album-straw-broke-universal-music-back-may-get-sued

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165. " producer for the Roots told us this back in early 2000's..."
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said the best thing an artist can do is sign to a major, get mass appeal then go indie...


but now with youtube and the internets we see dudes like Whiz and Mac Miller doing it out the gate.

only issue is how long it took for Frank to drop. If a label plays hardball you can be stuck in limbo for a long ass time

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166. "RE: producer for the Roots told us this back in early 2000's..."
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Wiz HAD a major deal before he went indie and blew up and essentially resigned to Warner again...

Mac had Wiz's team, blueprint and $$$

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168. "Fck exclusives though, he still a slave to a master....if he released"
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on EVERY streaming service...his money would be even more major.

He gonna hit that peak only until the bootleggers get him...


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169. "yeah...I don't get the exclusive thing either..."
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unless Apple put down several Ms upfront for it.

I'd think that album would've gone automatically gold if it were released everywhere similar to how Life of Pablo's sales boosted once Apple and Spotify got a hold of it.
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173. "They already got him (link)"
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Just release it in all formats so that everyone that wants it can get it

http://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/frank-oceans-blonde-has-been-illegally-downloaded-750000-times-in-less-than-a-week/

Frank Ocean’s Blonde has hit industry headlines this week – for more than its status as the comeback album from one of this generation’s most acclaimed talents.

For one thing, the record was self-released by Ocean after a visual album – Endless – was issued a day earlier, fulfilling his contractual obligations to Universal Music Group.

Amid the hoopla over this release strategy, another defining feature of Blonde has been somewhat underplayed: the fact it’s currently a complete Apple exclusive, and therefore unavailable on services such as Spotify.

That detail provides interest context to the following news.

At midday UK time today (that’s 7am EDT), Frank Ocean’s Blonde had been illegally downloaded 753,849 times.

That’s according to data provided to MBW by leading content protection, data-analytics and ‘piracy audience reconnection’ specialist MUSO.

Blonde was released on August 20, so this huge number of illegal downloads has taken place in less than six days.

According to MUSO, the figure only reflects piracy of the entire album, and does not included data for single track downloads.

It includes data from torrent and cyber-lockers / direct downloads. However, it also doesn’t cover illegal streams of Ocean’s album.

As MUSO revealed earlier this year in its comprehensive global piracy report, illegal streaming is now the most popular form of music piracy worldwide, claiming over 35% of all activity last year – so this is just a sample of illegal consumption of Blonde this week.

The Frank Ocean piracy number is reminiscent in its eye-opening size of torrenting data for Kanye West’s The Life Of Pablo, reported earlier this year.

TLOP, which was released by West as a complete TIDAL exclusive for six weeks, was torrented a whopping 500,000 times in its first 24 hours.

Blonde, released on Ocean’s own Boys Don’t Cry label, is looking like a dead cert to top the Billboard 200 chart tomorrow (August 25).

Billboard predicts that Blonde will also top its albums list forecasting a week-one sales figure of 225,000-250,000.Music Business Worldwide

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170. "thoughts"
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it's good, but leaves so much to be desired; and I am not in the ChannelOrange is masterpiece clan, even though it def has left it's cultural mark.

i find the vocal effects to be one of the most interesting aspects of Blond. Because Frank's voice has always been weak, (yet endearingly vulnerable) the effects really add a dimension of futurity to his lovelorn, aloof, poet of songs, characterization.

his lyrics still convey great imagery and emotion, but they sit idle on so much of the songs because of the lack of low end and aimlessness

it feels his relationship with James Blake (and the unending influence of 3stacks: which has its good and bad) has gave Ocean the aura that going the "alt" route is somehow more arty and honest

yet it's the songs that are rooted in muddy mixes, sedated pop, Blackness, and his queerness that are the best:
"Nike"
"Self Control"
"Night" all of it, just greatness
"Close to You" my favorite, why the fuck is it so short!
"Futura Free"

and obvi "Solo", which theeraser rightly said above, for as dope as it is, doesn't really fit, BUT conceptually it does. it's just the rapping is the hypest thing on the whole record, and it kinda stand out like a sore thumb, lol

much of these "balllads"/song poems need the love of Kaytranda, FlyLo, Metro, Mono/Poly on the low end. the ingredients are there, they just need to be dropped in that fish fry

the critics who will applaud and celebrate it like the best shit since sliced bread gunna be OD annoying, but yeah, whatevs, word

  

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171. "RE: Frank Ocean Coming Back Like The Prodigal Son"
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Real question/s...

Do cats REALLY need drums like that? from EVERY artist?

is that a requirement? do you guys not listen to Joni, Bob Dylan? Bon Iver, Father John Misty?

this is a legit question too.. just interested in whether that is a hard fast requirement.. and is that only from black artists or across the board?

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172. "RE: Frank Ocean Coming Back Like The Prodigal Son"
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>Real question/s...
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>Do cats REALLY need drums like that? from EVERY artist?


Of course not.
With these projects tho, it's more about a departure
from previous projects than not liking a certain sound.
He was accepted... as a guy who has drums in his music lol.
All of his previous projects had great drums. You
could *bump* them. People fell in love with that and
wanted more of it.
Sure sure, everyone has the right to change course
and be creative, blah blah blah... but such a sharp
departure from a previous sound won't always be well-
received.
That's what people are dealing with here.

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177. "RE: Frank Ocean Coming Back Like The Prodigal Son"
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but shit like Forest Gump is what people talked about critically ... sounds like he doubled down on that..

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179. "Forrest Gump has drums in it."
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Even still, we're a group of listeners in here,
not critics (the kind you mean, anyway).
But yeah, FG had drums, so I dunno what you mean.



>but shit like Forest Gump is what people talked about
>critically ... sounds like he doubled down on that..

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174. "I don't have a nuanced response... For me to enjoy an album, I need drum..."
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HOWEVER..... I can absolutely appreciate the beauty of an atmospheric tune that couples great songwriting and melodies with a percussionless musical arrangement.

Radiohead does this best. But on their albums, they weave in a healthy balance of songs that have rhythmic drums along with the atmospheric tracks. It's a easier to digest in one sitting and makes for a more well rounded body of work.

Because Blonde doesn't have that healthy mix, I have to be in "that" mood to throw it on.

  

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175. "He don't have Joni's voice bruh"
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That's why she could pull it off, on top of the song writing

For as good as Ocean is with pen he ain't as strong as Dylan either or as distinct in sound

As I said in my reply above yours, his weak voice (which doesn't mean I don't like it) can't carry these type of vibes. And this also stinks of that "this is real music/artistry"... nah that dope ass black ass r&b-rap hybrid you was doing was / is art too

And nah I don't listen to Bon Iver or FJ Misty

The long short I need drums

  

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176. "RE: He don't have Joni's voice bruh <- basically"
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>That's why she could pull it off, on top of the song writing
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>For as good as Ocean is with pen he ain't as strong as Dylan
>either or as distinct in sound
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>As I said in my reply above yours, his weak voice (which
>doesn't mean I don't like it) can't carry these type of vibes.
>And this also stinks of that "this is real music/artistry"...
>nah that dope ass black ass r&b-rap hybrid you was doing was /
>is art too
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>And nah I don't listen to Bon Iver or FJ Misty
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>The long short I need drums

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178. "RE: He don't have Joni's voice bruh"
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All true... I think your argument is pretty on point that because his songwriting isn't as "tight" song wise he needs to have something sonically to anchor him..

Im sure Kaytranada or someone is remixing this as we speak.. !llmind already some versions with drums

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180. "Something really important here..."
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>And this also stinks of that "this is real music/artistry"...
>nah that dope ass black ass r&b-rap hybrid you was doing was /
>is art too



It's mad frustrating to me how so many artists fall
into this idea that only a certain type of music is
"artsy"... such as rappers who think they can't take
their music to the next level while still rapping or
singers thinking no drums means you're on some other
level. Alotta times this is just an internalization
of white supremacist views anyway. As soon as we
stop doing it, they'll start doing it and calling it
the greatest thing some white artist has ever done.
That's pretty much American pop music history.




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