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Seven
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"Even Claire Underwood Had to Fight For Equal Pay (swipe) genderwarz?"


          

I found the wording of this headline a bit misleading...did she really have to "fight"?
According to the article..She made a demand based of research she had done and got what she wanted.
That isn't a fight in my eyes..it's negotiation..
She even went on to say that while raising her kids she basically missed out on years of building her career capital.

I love her character and think she's an amazing actress. If she has as much pull as Kevin Spacey she should by right be paid the same...but framing this as a "fight"..i dunno man..

What say you, okp?





http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/05/even-claire-underwood-had-to-fight-for-equal-pay.html?mid=twitter_cut#


Powerful women in Hollywood, from Patricia Arquette to Jennifer Lawrence, are starting to come forward and speak about their industry’s gender wage gap — and now you can add Robin Wright to the list.


Wright, who plays the formidable Claire Underwood on House of Cards says she demanded to be paid as much as her co-star Kevin Spacey, who plays her husband, Frank Underwood.

The Huffington Post reports that during an event at the Rockefeller Foundation on Tuesday, Wright (who also serves as a producer on the show) admitted that she demanded to be paid the same as Spacey.

She elaborated:

It was the perfect paradigm. There are very few films or TV shows where the male, the patriarch, and the matriarch are equal. And they are in House of Cards.
I was looking at the statistics and Claire Underwood's character was more popular than for a period of time. So I capitalized on it. I was like, "You better pay me or I’m going to go public. And they did."
Indeed, Claire is as compelling — if not more compelling — a character as Frank, and she is the only character that can match him at his most nefarious. The show needs them both, so it’s only logical and fair that they get paid the same salary.

And yet logic and fairness isn’t always at the forefront when making such decisions — remember when Gillian Anderson was offered half of David Duchovny’s salary for the X-Files reboot? Unless the producers wanted Duchovny to slap on a red wig and play Scully in addition to Mulder, the show couldn’t function without both actors.

Wright also spoke about her trouble building her career after having children with Sean Penn in the early '90s, saying:


Because I wasn’t working full time, I wasn’t building my salary bracket. If you don’t build that ... with notoriety and presence, you’re not in the game anymore. You become a B-list actor. You’re not box office material. You don’t hold the value you would have held if you had done four movies a year like Nicole Kidman and Cate Blanchett did during the time I was raising my kids.
Stars — maybe they really are just like us.

  

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I think the problem is that the initial offer for women is substantially...
May 18th 2016
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true...but she does mention a stark reality...
May 18th 2016
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She deserves the pay raise now
May 18th 2016
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word...in total agreement..and that's what happened...I'm just..
May 18th 2016
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Yeah, this is a terrible example of gender pay gap
May 18th 2016
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yeah Spacey clearly was the draw to house of cards initially
May 18th 2016
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Focusing on the use of the word "fight" is a distraction.
May 18th 2016
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from what I remember J. Lawrence only filmed for 30 days
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Days on set isn't a good way to measure Hollywood pay
May 18th 2016
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      why isn't it? if I'm on set for 4 months and you only do 1 month
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Indeed. Totally agree
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yeah, I had no idea who this was until someone mentioned Spacey
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Yup
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I think most professional women are in her position
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hmmm. I think I see where you're coming from...
May 18th 2016
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PimpTrickGangstaClik
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1. "I think the problem is that the initial offer for women is substantially..."
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Yeah they can negotiate and increase the salary to be closer to men. But there is thatinitial gap

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Seven
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3. "true...but she does mention a stark reality..."
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...the years she spent raising her kids caused her to 'miss out' on raising her clout in the industry...
I guess what i'm asking is..is that true gender inequality or just part of the game?

It's not like she and Spacey came in at the same level of fame/star power/big features (i stand to be corrected..i'll admit I didn't know about her until HOC)..


  

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Innocent Criminal
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2. "She deserves the pay raise now"
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When the show first started the draw was Spacey, hence him probably being paid more. She proved she can be just as big a draw as him if not more, so you gotta pay up now.

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Seven
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4. "word...in total agreement..and that's what happened...I'm just.."
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..having a hard time with this being used as an example of the gender pay gap

  

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5. "Yeah, this is a terrible example of gender pay gap"
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Using Hollywood as an example of pay inequalities is a terrible ideal.

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14. "yeah Spacey clearly was the draw to house of cards initially"
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so of course he shoulda been paid more. In contrast, Julia Louis Dryfuss was clearly the draw for HOBOs 'Veep', so I'd expect her to get paid more than her male coworkers initially.

This is not a good example.

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6. "Focusing on the use of the word "fight" is a distraction. "
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This is a tough topic because there are plenty of examples were equalizing pay based on gender doesn't make a lot of sense. Which goes both ways. The guys on Scandal shouldn't be making as much money as Kerrie Washington (disclosure, I don't watch scandal but I am guessing that is right from the shows commercials).

However, no reason why Jennifer Lawrence shouldn't be making as much money as the guys in American Hustle.

The fact is the people who are the draws should be paid in a way that reflects that deciding who is the draw is not a science and people often use racist and sexist assumptions to make those decisions in a way that hurts POCs and women.


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8. "from what I remember J. Lawrence only filmed for 30 days "
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and came into the fold late as shit.

I posted an article that showed she was paid handsomely when they broke down her pay vs how long she was on set.


and I hate using Hollywood as an example. What next. NFL salaries and NBA contracts?

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13. "Days on set isn't a good way to measure Hollywood pay "
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and isn't this post about Hollywood pay?



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15. "why isn't it? if I'm on set for 4 months and you only do 1 month"
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I don't want to hear you crying about equal pay.

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Seven
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10. "Indeed. Totally agree"
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7. "yeah, I had no idea who this was until someone mentioned Spacey"
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which kinda shows why she had to get her weight up to get her pay up.

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Seven
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11. "Yup"
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9. "I think most professional women are in her position "
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They don't have to fight, but learn how to reject initial offers the same way they do men they aren't interested in. Problem solved.

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12. "hmmm. I think I see where you're coming from..."
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...not sure I agree with the analogy. Lemme think on it.

  

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