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Doomdata21
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"Presidential Primary Post 11: Trudging to California"


  

          

West Virginia on deck! This should be an eventful next few weeks.

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Unless Sanders can keep Clinton to -20%, it doesn't matter...
May 10th 2016
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RE: Unless Sanders can keep Clinton to -20%, it doesn't matter...
May 10th 2016
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      Bernie will win WV. She fucked up by shitting on coal
May 10th 2016
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      he probably would have won WV anyway, but yeah
May 10th 2016
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      Bernie has to win by 70%-80%+ to make a dent...
May 10th 2016
6
yo!! dirty email crew..not happening...move on to somethin else
May 10th 2016
4
Dey scared
May 10th 2016
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      nobody scared..aint nathan hattnin nephew...
May 10th 2016
19
YUGE margins.
May 10th 2016
8
smh. Okay, champ.
May 10th 2016
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It's pretty much over
May 10th 2016
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I disagree
May 10th 2016
11
No. He can't. He's down by too many votes and delegates...
May 10th 2016
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Yeah, there's no way he's closing the gap
May 10th 2016
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      I agree the chances are slim...
May 10th 2016
16
cnn poll today, clinton tying trump in Fl, PA, trailing him in OH
May 10th 2016
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It's May...
May 10th 2016
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They're both terrible options
May 10th 2016
17
naw, it's the opposite. Trump is a nightmare for Hillary.
May 10th 2016
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      Bernie and Trump will both lose to Hillary
May 10th 2016
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           nah, its going to be closer than you think
May 11th 2016
23
                I'm in the camp that says Trump beats Hillary
May 11th 2016
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This will be a very tough race. I've admitted that from the beginning.
May 11th 2016
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Pretty much. I'm not betting against butthurt white voters .... ever
May 12th 2016
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RE: Presidential Primary Post 11: Trudging to California
May 10th 2016
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If you really love Bernie you will vote for him in the primary
May 11th 2016
22
      Exactly.
May 11th 2016
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The DNC is really missing an opportunity to control the narrative IMO
May 11th 2016
25
Hillary in actuality is very weak on the issues
May 11th 2016
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Did you listen to Bernie Sanders speech last night?
May 11th 2016
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      That's not how her campaign was.
May 11th 2016
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           Yup!
May 11th 2016
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           She may not have been magnanimous...
May 11th 2016
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           LOL, he was here on Monday. 30K@SAC rally
May 11th 2016
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           Son, it seems you only see what you want to see...
May 11th 2016
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                Bern just won another primary, now he should go to CA for a month
May 11th 2016
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           I find myself in constant disagreement with your political comments.
May 11th 2016
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                Part of my job is to read people...
May 11th 2016
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                     And I can understand that. But you present your takes as absolutes.
May 11th 2016
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                          I'm rarely wrong. So take them as absolutes.
May 11th 2016
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                               ok
May 11th 2016
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           and the DNC trotted her out again, after that L
May 12th 2016
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I'm just going to put this here but....
May 11th 2016
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nobody care dawg.....hil clinton aint goin to jail..move on son
May 11th 2016
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      RE: nobody care dawg.....hil clinton aint goin to jail..move on son
May 11th 2016
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      Never said she was jail bound
May 11th 2016
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           you want it to be a thing
May 11th 2016
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I feel like there are some folks....
May 11th 2016
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id love to see where all the bernie heads would be had he run
May 11th 2016
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Middle School...
May 11th 2016
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i keep tellin em baby steps..this country isnt ready to go hard left
May 11th 2016
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RE: Middle School...
May 11th 2016
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actually, when I was in middle school, yalls
May 12th 2016
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that's a stupid ass question fam...
May 11th 2016
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no its not.. they so hardcore bernie..had he tried to unseat bho
May 11th 2016
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      unseat Obama as an independent? huh
May 11th 2016
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           you believe in his platform or not?? wtf??
May 11th 2016
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                I said Indie because a Dem doesn't run against a Dem in the WH
May 11th 2016
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                     Bernie himself called for it in the 2012 race.
May 11th 2016
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                          RE: Bernie himself called for it in the 2012 race.
May 11th 2016
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                          all talk, you see he didn't run until 2016
May 11th 2016
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                          Oh, so that was all talk.
May 11th 2016
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                          What are you talking about, Strav?
May 11th 2016
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                               I don't think you followed the discussion here.
May 11th 2016
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                                    Oh, ok
May 11th 2016
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                                    you do understand Bernie voters don't have to agree with
May 12th 2016
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people can change. lol.
May 11th 2016
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Alright, history buff
May 11th 2016
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RE: Alright, history buff
May 11th 2016
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      How was no law broken?
May 11th 2016
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      RE: How was no law broken?
May 11th 2016
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           Give me a source
May 11th 2016
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                RE: Give me a source
May 11th 2016
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      She IS being investigated ::Swipe::
May 11th 2016
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           RE: She IS being investigated ::Swipe::
May 11th 2016
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           You are wrong lol
May 11th 2016
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                RE: You are wrong lol
May 11th 2016
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                     It sounds to me like you are
May 11th 2016
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           Examination based on prior cases
May 11th 2016
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                man, ain't no one trying to read all that...lol
May 11th 2016
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                RE: man, ain't no one trying to read all that...lol
May 11th 2016
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                RE: Examination based on prior cases
May 11th 2016
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                Yeah, I'm assuming people will just continue to believe what they want
May 11th 2016
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                     Bring something to the discussion
May 11th 2016
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                          Says the guy who thinks Bernie will win and Hillary will be indicted
May 11th 2016
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                               RE: Says the guy who thinks Bernie will win and Hillary will be indicted
May 11th 2016
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                                    i think you're unable, or simply refuse to look at things objectively
May 11th 2016
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                                         I'm definitely being objective about it all
May 11th 2016
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                RE: Examination based on prior cases
May 11th 2016
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                     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
May 11th 2016
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                     Thanks for adding nothing to the discussion
May 11th 2016
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                          You're very welcome. Enjoy your indictment fantasies
May 11th 2016
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                               I'm enjoying the process but...
May 11th 2016
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                     RE: Examination based on prior cases
May 11th 2016
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                     lol hardly foaming at the mouth
May 11th 2016
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                          RE: lol hardly foaming at the mouth
May 11th 2016
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                               Who discredited the hacker?
May 11th 2016
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                                    RE: Who discredited the hacker?
May 11th 2016
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                                         Where are the links, my man
May 11th 2016
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                                              RE: Where are the links, my man
May 12th 2016
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                     You still haven't explained what charge she's being investigated for...
May 12th 2016
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                          I'm just fascinated by the story
May 12th 2016
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                          mishandling classified information and receiving improper benefits
May 12th 2016
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                               RE: mishandling classified information and receiving improper benefits
May 12th 2016
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                                    what other intent could one have for installing a private server in thei...
May 12th 2016
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                                         Word...
May 12th 2016
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                                         RE: what other intent could one have for installing a private server in ...
May 12th 2016
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                                              no, you're wrong, the patreaus analogy = intentionally removing
May 12th 2016
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                                                   RE: no, you're wrong, the patreaus analogy = intentionally removing
May 12th 2016
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                                                   You can have documents "born classified"
May 12th 2016
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                                                   RE: no, you're wrong, the patreaus analogy = intentionally removing
May 12th 2016
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                                                        So explain to me what it could be, other than intentional
May 12th 2016
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                                                             RE: So explain to me what it could be, other than intentional
May 12th 2016
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                                                                  Whatever makes you feel better, Murph
May 12th 2016
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                                                                  RE: Whatever makes you feel better, Murph
May 12th 2016
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                                                                       Where da links?
May 12th 2016
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                                                                            RE: Where da links?
May 12th 2016
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                                                                  RE: Powell and Rice
May 12th 2016
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                                                                       RE: Powell and Rice
May 12th 2016
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                                                                            RE: reply 99
May 12th 2016
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                                                                            RE: reply 99
May 12th 2016
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                                                                            It's pretty clear why
May 12th 2016
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                                                                                 RE: It's pretty clear why
May 12th 2016
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                                                                                      No, I wouldn't blame O
May 12th 2016
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                                                                                      RE: No, I wouldn't blame O
May 12th 2016
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                                                                                      Bernie and Hillary are not equal
May 12th 2016
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                                                                                      RE: Bernie and Hillary are not equal
May 12th 2016
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                                                                                      RE: if the FBI finds no wrong doing
May 12th 2016
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                                                                                      RE: if the FBI finds no wrong doing
May 12th 2016
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                                                                                      Did you read this?
May 13th 2016
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personally I have gone through Kerry,Obama,Obama
May 12th 2016
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WV open primary
May 11th 2016
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RE: WV open primary
May 12th 2016
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its fucking west virginia
May 12th 2016
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also in a recent poll, 100% of Hillary Clinton supporters
May 12th 2016
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      RE: also in a recent poll, 100% of Hillary Clinton supporters
May 12th 2016
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           right, so to allude to the fact that Bernie wouldn't have
May 12th 2016
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                RE: right, so to allude to the fact that Bernie wouldn't have
May 12th 2016
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                those same votes won't be voting for Hillary in the GE
May 12th 2016
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                They will vote
May 12th 2016
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                RE: those same votes won't be voting for Hillary in the GE
May 12th 2016
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                um, I pretty sure that has to do with the fact that
May 12th 2016
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                RE: right, so to allude to the fact that Bernie wouldn't have
May 12th 2016
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                     ^^^^sounds nervous^^^
May 12th 2016
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This Trump/Ryan WWE ass meeting
May 12th 2016
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i dont know why the gop acting like they aint down
May 12th 2016
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      it works out good for guys like Ryan
May 12th 2016
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Trump's butler: "Shoot, Kill Obama" (Swipe)
May 12th 2016
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it's going to get worse... Trump is going to do everything in his power
May 12th 2016
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RE: it's going to get worse... Trump is going to do everything in his po...
May 12th 2016
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i read an NYT article about him a few weeks ago
May 12th 2016
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For those who want all the details on the scandal
May 12th 2016
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LOL
May 12th 2016
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      RE: LOL
May 12th 2016
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oops
May 12th 2016
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#FDT hangs up on WaPo reporters when asked about fake spokesperson
May 14th 2016
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DNC selects 3 Sanders committee members = slighted!
May 15th 2016
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After seeing the Nevada Convention...
May 15th 2016
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      Tensions Flare at Nevada Democratic Convention (Video)
May 15th 2016
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Up for Kentucky and Oregon
May 17th 2016
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waaaaaaaaay up (c)
May 17th 2016
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      Wait folks are really still talking about Bernie winning the nomination?
May 17th 2016
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           yeah man...hil dawg in cuffs any day now...you aint heard?
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           The FBI has to say something one of these days
May 17th 2016
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           "criminal behavior"?? serious? how old are u niggas?
May 17th 2016
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           RE: "criminal behavior"?? serious? how old are...
May 17th 2016
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           Thinking Hillary will be indicted is as nieve and uniformed by precedent
May 17th 2016
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           From Bernie Sanders Supporters, Death Threats Over Delegates (SWIPE)
May 17th 2016
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                They're obfuscating the democratic process
May 17th 2016
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                RE: They're obfuscating the democratic process
May 17th 2016
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                     lmao @ Bernie has to handle this
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                          RE: lmao @ Bernie has to handle this
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                               you are acting dramatic as shit bruh...
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                                    RE: you are acting dramatic as shit bruh...
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                                         if Bernie has said that he's not for the fuck shit...
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                                         hilarious how serious it is when it's Bernie Bros
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                                         RE: hilarious how serious it is when it's Bernie Bros
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                                         RE: if Bernie has said that he's not for the fuck shit...
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                                              nothing wrong with his response there.
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                                                   RE: nothing wrong with his response there.
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                                         dawg, a girl in Pittsburgh was attacked and had a B carved on her face
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                                              Lol i wonder what she's up to. she had the most ridiculous story
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                                              shoulda carved an O
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                                              RE: dawg, a girl in Pittsburgh was attacked and had a B carved on her fa...
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                                                   yes. it is a game bruh...
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                                                        RE: yes. it is a game bruh...
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                Nah, we good.
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                     RE: Nah, we good.
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                          only reason it feels like a cult is because you guys gave Bernie Bros we...
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                               RE: only reason it feels like a cult is because you guys gave Bernie Bro...
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                                    bruh, that isn't Bernie fault. People don't like the establishment
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                                         what I been saying all along
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                                         yeah, that's what happened
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                                         ehh.. that sounds like politics bruh
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                                         RE: bruh, that isn't Bernie fault. People don't like the establishment
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                                         Bernie has made a lot of people realize that
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                                              RE: Bernie has made a lot of people realize that
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                                         RE: bruh, that isn't Bernie fault. People don't like the establishment
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                                              How do we know it was a Bernie Bros?
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                                                   RE: How do we know it was a Bernie Bros?
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                                                        We don't know who
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                                                             RE: We don't know who
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                                                                  Again... we don't know who
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           no doubt.
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Will Megan Kelly go in tonight or give dude a soap box to clean up his
May 17th 2016
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I have a feeling it's much ado about nothing
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Either way....Trump wins.
May 17th 2016
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RE: Either way....Trump wins.
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      If you want to say Bernie's contingent is wild
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      Hillary is a weak candidate, extremely unlikable
May 17th 2016
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      RE: If you want to say Bernie's contingent is wild
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           I like how you keep touting "she's up 3 million votes"
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                RE: I like how you keep touting "she's up 3 million votes"
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                     There goes 3 million again (caucuses? election fraud? MSM?)
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      I was more referring to the Megyn Kelly interview itself.
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long as he doesn't call her a cunt they'll say he's being presidential
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plz tell me this shit is over when Bernie loses in KY & OR tonight
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he's not losing Oregon
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we'll see
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      Oh, didn't know it was closed but Oregon is wacky as shit
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it's been over since NY
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RE: it's been over since NY
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Sure it has ::smirks::
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I think he'll win both. And yeah, it's already over
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      RE: I think he'll win both. And yeah, it's already over
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           You could be right. i feel like coal could do her in again
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           Edit: win Oregon, lose Kentucky in a squeaker
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           the rest of this primary is going
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                super UGLY... Trump is about to shit all over the Clintons sexual histo...
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                     If only...
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                     If only.
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                          What else do they have?
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                               They don't need to have anything. That's the point.
May 18th 2016
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                                    RE: They don't need to have anything. That's the point.
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                                    Is the FBI investigating Hillary?
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                     RE: super UGLY... Trump is about to shit all over the Clintons sexual h...
May 18th 2016
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                          no, that's how YOU want it to play out but nah...
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                               RE: no, that's how YOU want it to play out but nah...
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                                    SMH
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                                         RE: SMH
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                                              He's gonna 'Nader' the race without even going third party?
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                                                   RE: He's gonna 'Nader' the race without even going third party?
May 18th 2016
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Donald Trump Is Not Expanding the GOP (Politico Swipe)
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Neo-liberals need to win back progressives.
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      RE: Neo-liberals need to win back progressives.
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Has any Bernie folks said to themselve, "Hmm, my candidate can't beat
May 18th 2016
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Nope.
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Bruh, reality isn't a commodity Sanders people trade in.
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keep making that sausage bruh, we get it. YOU good.
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hasn't he won 20 states?
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RE: hasn't he won 20 states?
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RE: hasn't he won 20 states?
May 18th 2016
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RE: hasn't he won 20 states?
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closed primaries ARE un-American.
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      RE: closed primaries ARE un-American.
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           yeah, you're clearly missing the point or purposely circumventing it.
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                RE: yeah, you're clearly missing the point or purposely circumventing it...
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                     yes you are because already granted you that...
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                          RE: yes you are because already granted you that...
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                               yeah we're gonna have to stop right here and agree to disagree.
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                                    RE: yeah we're gonna have to stop right here and agree to disagree.
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                                         about who closed primaries benefit.
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bruh, Hillary trounced him in southern states
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      how many of them Red states Hillary getting in the General?
May 18th 2016
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      RE: bruh, Hillary trounced him in southern states
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           bruh, there aren't any white southern states
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                RE: bruh, there aren't any white southern states
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C'mon with these:
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      RE: C'mon with these:
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You are right. I misspoke. What I meant to say is that Bernie can't bea...
May 18th 2016
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nah, cause Obama was also bought and paid for
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      ^^^^^^^^^^^^
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      But by this logic Bernie's first mistake was going for the democractic
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           no, not at all.
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You are right. I misspoke. What I meant to say is that Bernie can't bea...
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      not trying to be a dick but i've addressed all your statements in other ...
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           Yeah, I haven't been following this convo like that lately. I am just s...
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                RE: Yeah, I haven't been following this convo like that lately. I am ju...
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lmao.. no, that's what a Hillary supporter would think
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      RE: lmao.. no, that's what a Hillary supporter would think
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Did Hillary drop out vs Obama?
May 18th 2016
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RE: Did Hillary drop out vs Obama?
May 18th 2016
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      I'm voting for Hillary but I hate her
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1. "Unless Sanders can keep Clinton to -20%, it doesn't matter... "
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Tue May-10-16 02:16 PM by CRichMonkey

  

          

At this point, she's playing for the spread and he's playing for the cred.

She's going to be the nominee, Sanders needs to get enough votes and delegates to stack the convention committees with his people and to push HRC to picking a more progressive VP nom.

As for the Republicans, I'm going to be interested in seeing how they handle Trump after the convention. I don't think they'll cut him loose, but I also don't think he's going to have more than tepid support from over half of the party.

If I were Joe Biden, I'd be kicking myself in the ass right now.


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Doomdata21
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2. "RE: Unless Sanders can keep Clinton to -20%, it doesn't matter... "
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I say Bernie wins big tonight. Those coal workers don't like Hillary too much after she pivoted on coal. Also, Bernie has proposed more financing for the switch from coal to greener energy in his platform to help with the loss of jobs and infrastructure.

It ain't over yet.

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3. "Bernie will win WV. She fucked up by shitting on coal"
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she isn't good at this stuff.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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7. "he probably would have won WV anyway, but yeah"
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she shit the bed

  

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6. "Bernie has to win by 70%-80%+ to make a dent... "
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Otherwise, the mechanics of the race don't change.

Sorry.

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4. "yo!! dirty email crew..not happening...move on to somethin else"
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Doomdata21
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5. "Dey scared"
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n/m

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19. "nobody scared..aint nathan hattnin nephew..."
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8. "YUGE margins."
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Should be a good stretch coming up indeed.

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9. "smh. Okay, champ."
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10. "It's pretty much over"
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it's really just a matter of how Bernie uses this newfound leverage he has within the party.

he'll crush it in WV and win the majority of remaining states and lose California. he'll make some demands of Hillary then endorse her

Some will fault him for it but it's the right thing to do. Plus if he and others can keep the movement going, keep people engaged, they can push more progressives into the party, shifting it further left. If he goes this route and everyone just takes their ball and goes home, his revolution was doomed from the start.

  

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11. "I disagree"
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This could easily become Bernie's to win. She has advantages but there's still time on the clock and the terrain contains certain blindspots. Bernie is still looking strong.

Clinton just might fall apart. It's possible. She had the same concerns vs. Obama in '08 and she has greater known unknowns. She also probably won't win outright with pledged delegates.

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13. "No. He can't. He's down by too many votes and delegates... "
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Not trying to be insulting, but you gotta get real here. The only way he wins is by getting 103% of the remaining delegates. That's impossible math.

Even he knows. That's why he's been attacking Trump all week. He and Clinton aren't shooting at each other anymore because they're focused on the general. One general that he won't be running in.


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12. "Yeah, there's no way he's closing the gap"
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Still going to vote for him over here, but I really don't see a way that he wins CA.

You pretty much outlined everything he needs to do to stay relevant throughout the rest of the election. Get Hilary to adopt some of his platform, give her an endorsement, and work to get out the vote. Because if nothing else, there are other important reasons to head to the polls this year and every election subsequent.

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16. "I agree the chances are slim..."
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I believe that they still exist. When the convention comes up, we'll see where we stand. I do believe he still has strong arguments as to why he should be nominated. The convention is very likely to be contested.

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14. "cnn poll today, clinton tying trump in Fl, PA, trailing him in OH"
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15. "It's May..."
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Once Trump is the official Republican nominee after the convention, the stakes change and I have a feeling that the clown car that the media created is also one they'll be happy to set ablaze and watch careen off the road.




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17. "They're both terrible options"
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They aren't the only ones out there.

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18. "naw, it's the opposite. Trump is a nightmare for Hillary."
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Yeah Trump has horrific video footage on him, but no policy decision. Trump has gotten people punched at his rallies. Hillary has gotten people MURKED. Trump is going to go ham at Hillary's record, not the way Bernie did. And the WORST THING is Trump is about to switch up his whole message for the general and make mad promises - and Hillary can't point to him for changing stances or "changes of heart". She is the queen of that shit. Trump has the enthusiam on his side, and once he has some landable punches in the debates and next thing you know it's a toss up. Once the same folks who only cared to vote for Obama cause he was black decide not to show up in the general? Good luck with that.

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20. "Bernie and Trump will both lose to Hillary"
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Hillary will win the POTUS by equal numbers as Obama beat Romney in 2012.

The Dems are about to win POTUS, probably take back the Senate, and obviously be selecting the next SCOTUS Justice.

  

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23. "nah, its going to be closer than you think"
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it really comes down to a few states and Hillary is really unlikeable.

I think Black folk won't come out like they did for Obama and a lot of first time angry white voters and working dems changing to repub for Trump makes this much closer than we expect.

Trump is a wild card tho... I still think he was a plant but this shit has gone much better than they anticipated.

if the GOP somehow comes together for him we are in for a battle. The same party winning a 3rd term is hard as fuck.

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26. "I'm in the camp that says Trump beats Hillary"
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Trump can out bully Hillary in a general election and the tone of the electorate that I see says, WE DON'T WANT ESTABLISHMENT RETREADS!

Trump isn't a retread, so, he will gain in strength as the campaign reaches its zenith.

Hillary will implode before the election. Nobody likes her except the DNC. I'm calling it how I see it. Bernie is, in fact, the best bet.

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46. "This will be a very tough race. I've admitted that from the beginning."
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Even against a generic Republican, it would be an uphill battle for any Democrat in this cycle. The fact that it's Trump, that he's so unpredictable, so free to pivot at will with minimal blowback, makes it more difficult, not less.

It's a shame that no stronger Democratic candidates attempted to run.

That said, we shouldn't take these numbers completely at face value. Trump just lined up the nomination. He's getting the same bump that candidates usually get as they bring their party together. (And he really is bringing the rank and file together, despite how things look around the Bushes, Paul Ryan, etc.) At the same time, Hillary is at the most contentious stage of her nomination fight. So right now the numbers understate her strength while they overstate Trump's strength.

The bigger problem with the numbers, though, is that we just haven't had a race yet. These numbers don't measure what people want to think they measure.

  

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109. "Pretty much. I'm not betting against butthurt white voters .... ever"
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until I see that outcome otherwise

  

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21. "RE: Presidential Primary Post 11: Trudging to California"
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I don't vote until next month. But I'm just going to accept that Hil-dawg got this and I should go ahead and get in line behind her. I love Bernie, but the only way he's getting into the White House is as a VP.

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22. "If you really love Bernie you will vote for him in the primary"
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you can always vote for Hilldawg in the GE.

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24. "Exactly."
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I mean, she's almost got it locked... but there is NO need for Bernie supporters to switch their vote until the GE.

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25. "The DNC is really missing an opportunity to control the narrative IMO"
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The Rs have their candidate

if there were more debates

more of a focus on the Ds candidates

they could actually control the narrative for at least the next month

Trump is irrelevant until October, now that everybody has dropped out

by HRC shifting her focus to him

she's actually disregarding the issues

The Ds could be focusing on the issues

and in a month or so, Trump would be even more irrelevant

but they are blowing this opportunity by repeatedly expecting Bern to drop out

Trump is not interested in the issues

and as a voter, I'm not interested in anything he has to say, and/or anything anybody has to say about him TBH

base, if the DNC included Bern more we could actually focus solely on the issues for this next month

but they aren't...why?

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27. "Hillary in actuality is very weak on the issues"
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Even though she has stuff listed on her website, the language of it in my opinion is very "lawyery". She has a tendency to carry herself that way and it's reflected in her campaign. She doesn't tie herself to many stances so she can pivot at will. Trump is weaker at doing this but comes off more endearing in his delivery.

I don't think we'll get much on the issues from here on out if Hillary manages to make it through the convention. The only candidate who is really strong on the issues is Bernie.

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28. "Did you listen to Bernie Sanders speech last night?"
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He's not coming at Clinton, he's going after Trump on the issues.

Meanwhile, HRC is pivoting to her issues like lowering childcare costs.

Bernie is going to take his campaign to the convention, but he's not playing to win the nomination. His approach is two fold:

1.) Maintain the enthusiasm he's already built up. There are people in the remaining states that have given him money and come to his rallies and he owes it to them to give them a chance to pull the lever for him in the voting booth. It's also a smart thing to do because he's going to need those votes as evidence that his agenda should be part and parcel to the Democratic party agenda.

2.) Move his supporters back to the party and eventually to the party's nominee. He's got people who are still very much Bernie of Bust and he knows he owes it to the Democrats to deliver as many supporters as possible to the party to assure victories in the fall. He can't just get up on stage and say, "Alright, time for Hillary" and expect his folks to just jump on. He's gotta help show the contrast between Democrats and Republicans and then Clinton vs. Trump so that folks make the right decision on their own.

It's like in 2008 with Hillary's PUMA supporters. She knew she had to go the distance even if it was an exercise in futility because she had to get her folks in line with the way things were gonna be.

So look at the narratives in totality and in context and you'll see how they story is gonna play itself out.



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29. "That's not how her campaign was. "
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No. She mismanaged money. Ran out of it. Still kept saying Obama was unelectable. Then when she lost she still kept up the noise, demanded concessions, asked for money to pay off her campaign and then gave a concession speech that was basically a victory speech.

People like to pretend she was magnanimous in her loss. She wasn't. We had a virtual meltdown as far as politicians go and we nobody really wants to addres that.

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30. "Yup!"
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She's under a lot of stress. She's definitely running low on funds because she reaching out to Jeb Bush donors. She should really start talking to Bernie supporters, but she couldn't care less about us unfortunately.

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32. "She may not have been magnanimous... "
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But she was never irrational and Sanders is following a similar script when it comes to landing the plane.

Gotta stay in the fight because there's money to raise and debts to pay. Gotta change the nature of the fight because there's a common cause and a W to get.

I would have thought differently if Bernie had used the words, "contested convention" last night, but he didn't. In leaving that wording off the table, he basically tipped his hand to his plan. Collect votes all the way up to the convention, lean hard on the nominee and the party to make clear progressive policy goals, and keep raising money for the operation.

If he'd claimed a path or picked a fight, then I'd be worried. But he didn't and he won't. He's not magnanimous, but he's also not irrational.

And if you doubt my line of reasoning, ask yourself this...

If Bernie Sanders seriously thought he still had a clear path to the nomination, wouldn't he be spending all of his time in California? That's where the battle is and that's his last best hope of truly upsetting Clinton. If he were all in, he'd have to go insanely big there and leave Kentucky and Oregon (two states he'll already win) alone.


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33. "LOL, he was here on Monday. 30K@SAC rally "
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36. "Son, it seems you only see what you want to see... "
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So lemme break it down for you.

When Ted Cruz was looking like he might be DOA after Indiana, he put on the 110% full court press in Indiana. He went after endorsements of local party officials, he moved his ground operation there, and most importantly, he told everyone that he was a good as toast if he didn't win.

He laid out the stakes to his voters, "We win here or we don't win at all."

Bernie's not betting big on California, or at least as big as he should for a guy who is losing and looking to win.

Lemme put it more plainly...

Bernie's down by three touchdowns with about six minutes left in the fourth. He needs to be putting a trips package on the field or going four wide to see if he can pick up yardage, but he's calling run plays and sweeps to get into field goal range.

He might score, but he ain't running the plays to win.

As for the 30K turnout in Sacramento, that's what Bernie does. He gets big crowds at his rallies, then those people turn around and don't vote for him.

Great big crowds, then he loses. That's what Bernie do.



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49. "Bern just won another primary, now he should go to CA for a month"
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and stay there

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34. "I find myself in constant disagreement with your political comments. "
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Not because I disagree with the conclusions but because I disagree on the premise. You often start with subjective measures and come to objective conclusions.

So when you talk about why or why not a candidate is doing something and what that means, I'm never in that conversation in the first place. All I think about is what is candidate x doing and what are the outcomes of their actions.

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39. "Part of my job is to read people... "
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Judge what they say versus what they do. It's made me observant and cynical when it comes to behavior.

Politics ain't nothing but watching people accrue and spend power and, if you watch it enough, there aren't a whole lot of differences in the whys and hows, it's really about the to what ends.


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42. "And I can understand that. But you present your takes as absolutes. "
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Which is not much different from what a majority of people do. But it's not what I enjoy. So I try to stay away from those conversations.

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43. "I'm rarely wrong. So take them as absolutes. "
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110. "and the DNC trotted her out again, after that L"
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>No. She mismanaged money. Ran out of it. Still kept saying
>Obama was unelectable. Then when she lost she still kept up
>the noise, demanded concessions, asked for money to pay off
>her campaign and then gave a concession speech that was
>basically a victory speech.
>
>People like to pretend she was magnanimous in her loss. She
>wasn't. We had a virtual meltdown as far as politicians go and
>we nobody really wants to addres that.

with next to no modifications in her campaign strategy.
no lessons learned from that L.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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31. "I'm just going to put this here but...."
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Does anyone else think she was interviewed by the FBI a couple of days ago? Apparently she was in VA for a campaign event very close to the spot where they've been interviewing her aides.

I must confess that I'm fascinated by this whole cloak and dagger side story. I can't wait for the conclusion. It's better than any show on television.

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35. "nobody care dawg.....hil clinton aint goin to jail..move on son"
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>Does anyone else think she was interviewed by the FBI a
>couple of days ago? Apparently she was in VA for a campaign
>event very close to the spot where they've been interviewing
>her aides.
>
>I must confess that I'm fascinated by this whole cloak and
>dagger side story. I can't wait for the conclusion. It's
>better than any show on television.

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38. "RE: nobody care dawg.....hil clinton aint goin to jail..move on son"
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There are a lot of Bernie heads actually wishing ol' girl goes to jail....lol....It's actually fascinating....

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52. "Never said she was jail bound"
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Fall back. It's still a fear of her and her supporters, I know, but I'm fascinated by how people are ignoring it.

There are numerous ways that this can go and it's so unpredictable.

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54. "you want it to be a thing"
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it's not going to be a thing

  

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37. "I feel like there are some folks...."
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....making comments in this thread have never been through a Presidential primary...Or at the very least haven't read some blocks of history on primaries through the years....

You don't have to be some above it all political God to know what happened when say Jimmy Carter ran for President the first time (when Carter was well ahead in the lead but lost several of primaries down the stretch because of the make-up of the party in various states....)....The great part about technology is there's a lot of information out there....It's out there...It can be obtained...

But I realize that people are pretty emotional and fired up on both sides especially the Bernie heads...I'll say it again, it's best to let them get it all out...

I remember having similar conversations with Hillary supporters when she was running against Obeezy that first time. Make one comment that is deemed as a slight to their candidate and it was off to the races......It at times got quite ugly...

Again, a Presidential primary is nothing more than a chance to see how each state rolls when it comes to voting demographics....When a party comes together after said Primary battle usually u see a more unified front...

I recall Mitt Romney actually being ahead of Obama once it was concluded that he was going to win the nomination. I remember Dems freaking out...Same when Bill Clinton was running and found himself ahead in delegate count...

Just bring on November already....lol

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40. "id love to see where all the bernie heads would be had he run"
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4 yrs ago or even 8..

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41. "Middle School... "
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I've found that his supporters are either ideologues or naive young adults who don't have much experience observing politics in action.


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48. "i keep tellin em baby steps..this country isnt ready to go hard left"
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yet...or even hard ass right for that matter...it might take a few more cycles if its gonna go that far left...gotta root out all these old establishment crackas...its gonna happen..the country is becoming browner and browner eryday..but it may take some time

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51. "RE: Middle School... "
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>I've found that his supporters are either ideologues or naive
>young adults who don't have much experience observing politics
>in action.


I mean, u could say the same for ANY candidate's supporters...When u realize that your guy/woman is losing you tend to get a little more hardcore...a bit more irrational...I've done that shit too....

Not all the Bernie heads r on it like there....Only the Bernie-Or-Bust folks get down like that....

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106. "actually, when I was in middle school, yalls"
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non voting asses were getting Bush reelected to TWO terms.

Since yall are so know it all, why yall couldn't get with it to stop the man that ruined the country TWICE?!

And Obama? He won predominately because the youth showed up, NOT because you decided to cast your vote.

So I THINK you mean to say "thank you".

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45. "that's a stupid ass question fam..."
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47. "no its not.. they so hardcore bernie..had he tried to unseat bho"
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what side they on? or even had he shown up when barack showed up when the banks actually were about to rip this shit down...

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50. "unseat Obama as an independent? huh"
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you don't run against a Dem when they are in office of you are aligned with them on most issues. That's dumb...

and if Bernie ran against Obama in 2008 his supporters would be just like Hillary PUMA's.

not sure why you would ask a question when you know the answer

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57. "you believe in his platform or not?? wtf??"
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either you down with bernie and BELIEVE he can win on any platform or you not....and furthermore he coulda turned dem whenever he wanted to..no one is restricting him to being indy back then...

>you don't run against a Dem when they are in office of you
>are aligned with them on most issues. That's dumb...
>
>and if Bernie ran against Obama in 2008 his supporters would
>be just like Hillary PUMA's.
>
>not sure why you would ask a question when you know the
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65. "I said Indie because a Dem doesn't run against a Dem in the WH"
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who does that? lol...

and yes, I believe in his platform but I'm Black so if he ran against Obama he wouldn't get my vote.

My blackness wouldn't allow me up vote against O. Any black person who voted for anyone but O got the side eye.

Wtf this made up scenario have to do with 2016?

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68. "Bernie himself called for it in the 2012 race."
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http://thinkprogress.org/special/2011/07/22/277124/bernie-sanders-primary-obama/

  

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70. "RE: Bernie himself called for it in the 2012 race."
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>http://thinkprogress.org/special/2011/07/22/277124/bernie-sanders-primary-obama/



Yep....

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71. "all talk, you see he didn't run until 2016"
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87. "Oh, so that was all talk."
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But when he said he'd put bankers in prison that was a statement of deep principle.

  

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83. "What are you talking about, Strav?"
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Like legs said, he ran this time. What's wrong with that? Also, you can become a Democrat anytime you like. With Bernie, he already had a relationship with the party so it's not far-fetched that he'd go for the nomination now. Same as Trump being a Democrat and switching to Republican to get the nomination on that side.

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86. "I don't think you followed the discussion here."
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I never said he couldn't or shouldn't change party affiliation. Just making a factual correction.

legs said a Dem doesn't run against an incumbent Dem. "Who does that?"

I just pointed out the fact, which I thought everyone knew, that Bernie called for exactly that against the very president we're talking about.

  

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93. "Oh, ok"
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It's of little consequence.

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121. "you do understand Bernie voters don't have to agree with "
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EVERYTHING he says...lol

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75. "people can change. lol."
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i don't think the people who support Bernie would be so vocal had he been around 4 or 8 years ago (well, definitely not 8 because Obama was kind of sold to America as a Sanders type - at least moreso than he actually turned out to be).

Bernie is here NOW though - and people who support him are frustrated by Obama's failure to deliver on a lot of what they thought was supposed to happen (not blaming Obama per se for those failures - some were, some weren't). They are also frustrated because Obama was by most accounts a good president, and yet, even under a good president most people grew less economically secure. So, when you get Hillary promising to carry on BHO's legacy, but that legacy has people in worse off places? you get Bernie with way more support than anyone ever thought.

i mean, you say the country isn't ready to break hard left, but it seems like roughly half of the lefties are backing the hard left guy. of course the right ain't ready to do shit, but they never are. this country needs a switch up and i don't see what good sitting around and waiting for folks to be ready will do. sometimes, you need to shock your system even if it hurts a little bit.

  

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53. "Alright, history buff"
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When was the last time that the democratic front runner was being investigated by the FBI? When was the last time the front runner had such high unfavorability ratings the late in the game? When was the last time that there have been so many signs of election fraud in the favor of one primary candidate? We'll wait.

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55. "RE: Alright, history buff"
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The problem is SHE'S not being investigated....I mean, that point has even been noted by Repugs praying to God that the email exchange itself was unlawful...It's the process that's being investigated...Not one person (because several folks handled classified info)...Anybody that knowingly handled classified info can get it...

Again, this is fascinating. I have to remind myself that there are progressives who are not really Democrats....Just like there are Conservative ideologues who wouldn't mind seeing moderate Republicans (and the moderate wing) burn to ashes...

What's going to be interesting is when the Feds find no law was broken how Bernie-Or-Bust folks like yourself will handle that info...I would not be shocked if they claimed that Obama was protecting ol' girl...

I often times get the Bernie-or-Bust-Hillary-Should-Be-In-Jail folks mixed up with the Right Wing fanatics...Y'all riding on the same train....lol

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56. "How was no law broken?"
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I'd like to hear your side. Expound please.

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59. "RE: How was no law broken?"
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U r reading my shit backwards.....HILLARY CLINTON IS NOT BEING INVESTIGATED....the process is being investigated....Which means EVERYBODY WHO KNOWINGLY EMAILED CLASSIFIED INFORMATION CAN BE SUBJECT TO SERIOUS LEGAL ISSUES...

Again, I've read enough of your posts to know that you have been reading a lot of stories written by Right Wing hacks....But when u read pieces from a broad range of legal folks who have no horse in this race (i.e. no political identification...just the facts and precedence) they will tell u that it's unlikely that ANY one who handled these emails, including Clinton herself, will face prosecution.....

If u r a Bernie supporter and the only thing u r hanging your hat on is that Clinton can/will be indicted then I don't know what else to say...lol

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62. "Give me a source"
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this seems to be in your head, man.

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74. "RE: Give me a source"
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>this seems to be in your head, man.


It's not one source, Sherlock....It's been said in many articles....

Whether it's Clinton, the IT guy WHOEVER...they will all be in serious trouble if it's found that they knowingly handled classified information.

But again, I get where u r coming from. U were the one posting a series of pieces by conspiracy theorists and Right Wing hacks...On some I'LL TAKE THE INFORMATION FROM ANY SOURCE, shit...U on it hard....

Even the Politico article u posted was more about explaining that this case is VERY SERIOUS (which I've noted MANY times...) and that it is indeed an investigation (again...something I have stated...)....

What u want see is that the email case is an investigation on Clinton. Because it's not.
It's an investigation on the process. They r covering this with a wide net...They want to make sure ANYBODY involved in this will be punished for any possible wrong doing, including Clinton...

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58. "She IS being investigated ::Swipe::"
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From the head cheese at the Federal Bureau of INVESTIGATIONS:

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/279552-fbi-head-challenges-clinton-on-email-probe

By Julian Hattem - 05/11/16 01:59 PM EDT
The head of the FBI on Wednesday appeared to challenge Hillary Clinton’s characterization of the federal investigation into her private email server.

Clinton and her allies have repeatedly called the probe a routine “security inquiry.”

But Director James Comey told reporters that wasn’t an accurate description.
"It's in our name. I'm not familiar with the term 'security inquiry,' " Comey said at a roundtable with reporters, according to Politico.

“We’re conducting an investigation ... That’s what we do,” he said, according to Fox News.

Comey reportedly declined to say whether or not the investigation is “criminal” in nature.

The months-long federal probe appears to be entering its final stages, following reports in recent days that a number of Clinton allies have been interviewed. Clinton herself is expected to answer questions from FBI investigators and federal prosecutors in coming days or weeks.

Comey on Wednesday said the investigation is not “tethered to any external deadline,” such as this summer’s Democratic convention.

Still, he said he was under “pressure” to finalize the investigation promptly and efficiently.

"We want to do it well and we want to do it promptly. I feel pressure to do both of those things," Comey said. "As between the two things, we will always choose 'well.' "

Comey’s description of the investigation could frustrate the likely Democratic nominee’s efforts to dismiss concerns about her email arrangement.

The federal investigation into Clinton’s server, and the possibility that classified information may have been mishandled, has magnified criticism about the bespoke email setup.

Her decision to use a private server throughout her time as secretary of State has been a repeated target for Clinton’s Republican critics, and is likely to be hammered once the likely Democratic nominee squares off against presumptive GOP presidential nominee Donald Trump.

Clinton’s campaign did not immediately respond to an inquiry from The Hill about Comey’s characterization.

The FBI itself has been closely scrutinized throughout the investigation, despite the refusal of Comey, Attorney General Loretta Lynch and other top officials to discuss the matter.

The heightened partisan tensions on both sides of the probe make it likely that any decision on how to proceed — whether the investigation turns into a criminal indictment or not — quickly becomes a target of political fire from one side or the other.

Critics of Clinton, who fear that the Justice Department will abandon the probe into Clinton’s email setup, have pushed for investigators to release details of the probe, if it comes up short of a criminal charge.

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60. "RE: She IS being investigated ::Swipe::"
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I never said there was no investigation, homie...I said Hillary Clinton is not being investigated...

The investigation that is taking place is in connection to the entire email process....

This line: "Officials told reporters at the time that the FBI was not targeting Clinton specifically" has been dropped in a shit load of articles since January....

Again. I'm trying to be patient and show good will and trust that u r not trolling or r just on some Fuck-Hillary-And-Damn-The-Facts shit...

So let me say this again....ANYBODY WHO KNOWINGLY HANDLED CLASSIFIED EMAILS WILL BE SUBJECT TO SERIOUS LEGAL SCRUTINY....That means Clinton, Huma, the IT guy....ANYONE....

But this is not a "Clinton investigation"....They are looking to change the entire way classified info is handled....They actually have been discussing this since the days of Colin Powell and Condi Rice...

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61. "You are wrong lol"
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that is all.

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64. "RE: You are wrong lol"
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>that is all.


No...I think u r trolling...It has to be the case....lol

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90. "It sounds to me like you are"
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I'm presenting you with something and you respond with nothing substantive. Give me something to consider or you have nothing to say on the matter.

I'm open to being wrong about it. I just haven't been offered any substantive alternative from you and your people over there.

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63. "Examination based on prior cases"
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Best they could get was "highly unlikely but not impossible"

The only expert he could find who DID say an indictment should happen was Rudy Giuliani. Rudy fucking Giuliani

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/hillary-clinton-prosecution-past-cases-221744


It’s the most explosive question of the 2016 presidential campaign: Could Hillary Clinton get indicted for her handling of sensitive materials through her home email server?

A POLITICO review of dozens of recent federal investigations for mishandling of classified records suggests that it’s highly unlikely — but not impossible.

The examination, which included cases spanning the past two decades, found some with parallels to Clinton’s use of a private server for her emails, but — in nearly all instances that were prosecuted — aggravating circumstances that don’t appear to be present in Clinton’s case.

The relatively few cases that drew prosecution almost always involved a deliberate intent to violate classification rules as well as some add-on element: An FBI agent who took home highly sensitive agency records while having an affair with a Chinese agent; a Boeing engineer who brought home 2000 classified documents and whose travel to Israel raised suspicions; a National Security Agency official who removed boxes of classified documents and also lied on a job application form.

Clinton herself, gearing up for her FBI testimony, said last week that a prosecution is “not gonna happen.” And former prosecutors, investigators and defense attorneys generally agree that prosecution for classified information breaches is the exception rather than the rule, with criminal charges being reserved for cases the government views as the most egregious or flagrant.

“They always involve some ‘plus’ factor. Sometimes that ‘plus’ factor may reach its way into the public record, but more likely it won’t,” one former federal prosecutor said.

A former senior FBI official told POLITICO that when it comes to mishandling of classified information the Justice Department has traditionally turned down prosecution of all but the most clear-cut cases.

“If you look at the history of what they pursued, you really had to have a slam-bam case that met all the elements,” said the ex-official, who asked not to be named.

Between 2011 and 2015, federal prosecutors disposed of 30 referrals from investigators in cases where the main proposed charge was misdemeanor mishandling of classified information, according to data obtained from the Justice Department by the Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse. Prosecution was declined in 80 percent of those cases. Of the six where charges were filed, all the defendants apparently pled guilty, the data show.

The cases indicate that a strong dose of prosecutorial discretion is involved, partly because the laws on mishandling classified information are written broadly.

The Espionage Act makes it a felony punishable by up to ten years in prison to cause sensitive national security information to “be removed from its proper place of custody” as a result of “gross negligence.” Another law makes it a misdemeanor to remove classified “documents or material without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location.” Still another makes it a felony to conceal or remove official federal government records.

With such expansively written statutes, lawyers who’ve handled such cases say a better way to gauge the chance of criminal charges in the Clinton email case is to look at who has — and-hasn’t — faced such charges in recent decades.

Most of the cases involve little-known former military service members or government contractors for intelligence agencies. Only a few prosecutions grab headlines, like those of former CIA Director David Petraeus and former National Security Adviser Sandy Berger.

Clinton’s situation has already drawn comparisons to those high-profile cases, but there are important differences.

Without having permission to do so, Petraeus kept in his Arlington, Va. home eight “black books” containing highly classified “Top Secret/Codeword” information from his tenure as the coalition commander in Afghanistan and knowingly shared those books with his biographer, Paula Broadwell. In an interview with FBI agents, he acknowledged having an affair with Broadwell, but falsely stated that he’d never shared classified information with her.

Petraeus’s admission to Broadwell, in a recording, that he knew information in the books was top secret, and his lying to officials, are significant points of differentiation with the Clinton case.

As for Berger, he apparently was pressed for time when reviewing “Top Secret” information being considered by the 9/11 Commission, and walked out of National Archives headquarters in Washington with classified documents and notes stuffed in his clothing. He eventually admitted to the FBI sticking some of the documents under a construction trailer on the street before returning to the Archives and slipping out with more. Berger, who died earlier this year, took the papers to his office and destroyed some of them, but eventually returned others.

Both Petraeus and Berger pled guilty to misdemeanor mishandling of classified information and received two years of probation. Petraeus was fined $100,000, while Berger paid a $50,000 fine. Under the statute, they could have received up to one year in jail.

Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, who has publicly called for Clinton to be prosecuted, said her actions are more troubling than the Petraeus or Berger cases because of the sheer volume of classified material involved: More than 2,100 emails on her server are now considered classified by the State Department or other agencies.

“It is massive. It was a plan,” said Giuliani, who also served as the U.S. Attorney in Manhattan and as a top Justice Department official. “She didn’t just accidentally take it home…She took it home every night. It was like you were taking home top-secret information every night and putting it on your nightstand.”

But only about 100 of those 2100 messages were sent or forwarded by Clinton, and in many cases the information deemed classified originated with her aides or lower-level personnel. Clinton and her campaign team dispute the idea that any of the emails should be classified and have urged that those messages be released to the public, so others can judge whether any involved actual secrets. None of the messages were marked classified at the time.

Of those subsequently marked as classified, more than 96 percent have been marked “Confidential,” because they contain diplomatic exchanges or information about foreign governments. Many of those messages had already been shared on other unclassified systems, including within the State Department.

Some current and former State Department officials have argued that information about foreign governments’ positions on various issues are the bread and butter of diplomacy, and that State couldn’t function without at least some discussion of those views in unclassified channels.

In addition, some former diplomats and experts on classification procedures maintain that in practice the “Confidential” stamp has become a way for State to prevent disclosure of foreign government information after it is requested under the Freedom of Information Act, even though little effort is made to classify the information at the time it is being circulated by U.S. officials.

“In a quantum mechanical way, asking for disclosure forces it to be either classified or unclassified,” said the Federation of American Scientists’ Steven Aftergood, a longtime scholar of classification policy. He also said that classifying most or all diplomatic exchanges could upend the State Department’s day-to-day operations.

“If you consider the business of the State Department is foreign diplomacy….if everything that concerns foreign government information were to be classified then, arguably, the majority of State Department emails should be,” Aftergood said.

Asked about the presence of such information in unclassified accounts, one former federal prosecutor said: “If that is, in fact, a basis for criminal prosecution then the State Department should shut down its email system.”

Lawyers say the broad circulation of the information State now says is classified points to another potential problem with prosecuting Clinton: the question of how many others would or should be charged in such a case. Almost all of the now-classified messages on her account were sent by other State officials. Should they be prosecuted? What about those who didn’t send her such information but wound up with that information in their work accounts and even personal ones investigators are now combing through?

“On the theory people are putting forward for making this criminal, every single one of those people is equally guilty, probably more guilty” than Clinton, the ex-prosecutor said. “People three or four levels down, closer to the information, presumably had greater reason to know if it contained classified information … It would make no sense to aim your fire at the person at the end of the chain, instead of at the beginning of the chain.”

In addition, attorneys noted that mishandling of diplomatic information that doesn’t have an obvious national security component to it probably couldn’t be prosecuted under the Espionage Act, which is the felony statute most widely cited in discussions of the potential legal fallout of the Clinton email flap.

So, the real focus is likely to be a narrower set of messages: 65 deemed “Secret” and 22 deemed “Top Secret.” Because of the nature of email, the actual amount of highly sensitive information is more limited than those numbers suggest. The 22 “Top Secret” messages consist of seven “threads,” presumably with the same classified subject matter discussed in each email in the thread.

Using some of those exchanges to build a criminal case would also run into another challenge: the State Department has publicly disputed some of the intelligence community’s claims that information in Clinton’s account was highly sensitive. It seems doubtful that prosecutors would pursue charges if State Department officials are likely to contradict an intelligence agency’s assessment about the sensitivity of the records.

In his interview with POLITICO, Giuliani contended that Clinton’s server was a more serious breach than the one Petraeus committed because her actions continued over years and made the records vulnerable to being obtained by spies or terrorists. “This woman was displaying it for the world,” he said.

However, some experts on national security law said Clinton’s intent is far more important than the volume of emails at issue or how long they spent on her server. They noted that none of the information was marked classified and that there’s no indication she was trying to send classified information to anyone not authorized to look at it.

“The law treats the intentional disclosure of one piece of classified information to someone not entitled to receive it far more seriously than the accidental communication of dozens of pieces of classified information to people who were not supposed to get it,” American University law professor Stephen Vladeck said, citing explicit and implicit requirements that a person charged with violating the laws relating to classified information know that the information they mishandled was classified.

It’s also unclear whether the information was less secure on Clinton’s home server than on the State Department’s unclassified email system used to send most of the now-classified messages to her in the first place. State’s system was an obvious target and has been repeatedly broken into by the Russian government, U.S. officials have said.

“We know for a fact there was a compromise of State’s unclassified server,” said Aftergood. “Did exacerbate that threat by her use of a private server? Possibly, but we really don’t know.”

Another attempted prosecution of a high-level official, former Director of Central Intelligence John Deutch, produced a more ambiguous result than the Petraeus or Berger cases.

Deutch was found to have had more than 70 classified documents or fragments thereof on unclassified digital media cards and computers used at his homes in Maryland and Massachusetts. Fourteen had classification markings. At least seven of Deutch’s memos to President Bill Clinton were found, some containing “Top Secret/Codeword” classified information.

Deutch agreed to plead guilty to a single misdemeanor count of mishandling classified information, but on President Bill Clinton’s last day in office in 2001 he pardoned Deutch before the legal papers offering the plea were filed with the court.

“The Deutch case was quite a bit more egregious in terms of, by day, he would approve covert ops and this and that and at night go home and write a diary, a detailed recitation of his day, to include covert programs and the identity of covert operatives,” said Bill Leonard, former director of the federal Information Security and Oversight Office, a clearinghouse for classification standards and disputes in the U.S. Government. “He was actually creating these documents.”

Not every instance of mishandling of classified information by a top-ranking government official that is investigated leads to prosecution. Far from it. Most such probes never come to light, but some that have could reveal guideposts for the Clinton case.

Former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales took home “Top Secret” notes on the Bush Administration’s warrantless wiretapping program and later stored those notes and more than a dozen other highly classified documents in his office safe even though it was not authorized to contain such secrets. Justice Department prosecutors turned down the case.

John O’Neill, a veteran FBI official credited with being focused before September 11, 2001 on the threat posed by Al Qaeda, left a briefcase in a Tampa hotel conference room in 2000 containing very sensitive, classified information (including e-mails) about counterintelligence and anti-terror operations in the New York area. The briefcase was found a few hours later in another hotel, with some items missing but the classified papers intact.

Prosecutors also declined to prosecute O’Neill, but he quit the bureau before it could decide what discipline to impose for the incident. He took a new job managing security at the World Trade Center, where he was killed in the September 11, 2001, attacks.

At the tail end of Bill Clinton’s Administration, the State Department cracked down on security violations after someone stole a laptop containing “Top Secret” arms-control-related information off a conference room table there. The tightening of security procedures led to the public suspension of security clearances for U.S. Ambassador to Israel Martin Indyk for storing classified information on an unclassified laptop, using that computer on airplanes and taking classified papers home. His clearances were later restored. No charges were brought.

There are, however, also a slew of cases that led to prosecutions of mid-level and low-ranking government personnel, as well as government contractors.

But some of those felony charges for grossly negligent handling or removal of classified information appear to have been pursued in cases where the government strongly suspected espionage or deliberate leaking of classified information had occurred, but decided a full-blown prosecution on those grounds wasn’t warranted.

In such cases, “a criminal prosecution for mishandling classified would be used as a means to another end,” Leonard said. “The intent is not necessarily to punish the mishandling but is….like the proverbial example of going after Al Capone for income tax evasion.”

Former FBI agent J.J. Smith was charged with five felonies, including grossly negligent mishandling of classified information for allowing an FBI informant to obtain highly sensitive bureau information. Smith was having an affair with the informant, Katrina Leung, who was also working for Chinese intelligence. Leung wound up with several FBI documents including a “Secret” memo on Chinese fugitives and an unclassified FBI phone directory. She said she regularly took documents from Smith’s briefcase, which he often left open when he visited her.

In a plea deal, Smith pleaded guilty to a single felony count of lying to investigators. He was sentenced to three months house arrest, three years probation and a $10,000 fine.

A former senior State Department official, Don Keyser, pled guilty in 2005 to felony charges of removing government records as well as lying to investigators and lying on a Customs Declaration. A search found 3,659 classified documents at Keyser’s home: 1,976 of them “Secret” and 28 “Top Secret,” as well as 28 floppy disks containing more “Secret” documents. Keyser’s wife said she alerted him to the presence of the classified materials but he apparently never sought to return them.

The removal-of-records charge Keyser admitted to is one some conservative lawyers have urged be leveled at Clinton. It does not require that the documents in question be classified.

However, the government’s reason for concern in Keyser’s case went beyond his storage of classified info at home: undercover FBI agents twice observed him in a car having what appeared to be intimate contact with a Taiwanese intelligence agent, Isabelle Cheng. The longtime diplomat also lied about his relationship with Cheng and took classified information on an unreported trip to Taiwan.

Keyser was ultimately sentenced to a year and a day in prison and a $25,000 fine. The lead prosecutor on the Keyser case, David Laufman, is now the head of the Justice Department’s counterintelligence section — the office believed to be overseeing the FBI probe into Clinton’s server.

There are also a handful of cases involving lower-level employees or contractors where prosecutors have pursued criminal charges or jail time despite the lack of a clear public link to espionage, leaking or some other malfeasance.

A Boeing engineer who took home what prosecutors called “an adult giraffe” ’s-worth of sensitive information on missile defense programs, Abraham Lesnik, pled guilty in 2008 to a felony charge of unauthorized retention of classified data.

Lesnik’s travel and ties to Israel appear to have been a factor, but prosecutors said they had no evidence he planned to misuse the roughly 2000 classified documents, including about 400 marked top secret found on a thumb drive, laptop and other devices at his California home and in a storage locker.

Lesnik’s lawyer argued vehemently that no criminal charges should have been brought in the case. Prosecutors asked for a four-year prison sentence. A judge gave the scientist three years’ probation.

The toughest punishment handed down in recent memory for mishandling classified information went to former National Security Agency analyst Kenneth Ford Jr., who was sentenced in 2006 to six years in prison for taking to his home two boxes of classified documents and other records from NSA headquarters in Maryland. He was also convicted of lying on a job application form.

A contract linguist working for the Navy in Bahrain, James Hitselberger, was hit with six felony charges after being seen taking classified printouts to his room and cutting the headings off classified records. Hitselberger appears to have fueled investigators’ suspicions by sending some classified records to archives at Stanford University’s Hoover Institution and by disappearing in Europe after being dismissed from his job in the Persian Gulf.

In a plea deal, Hitselberger pled guilty to misdemeanor mishandling of classified records. He was sentenced to time served: two months in jail and eight months on house arrest.

Some have compared Hitselberger cutting headings off the classified documents to a message Clinton sent to a top aide in June 2011, telling him to work around a broken secure fax machine by editing a classified ‘talking points’ document and sending it over ordinary email.

“If they can't, turn into nonpaper no identifying heading and send nonsecure," Clinton wrote.

State Department officials have said there’s no evidence the aide, Jake Sullivan, ever sent the talking points via email. Republicans said the episode showed Clinton’s disregard for the security of classified information, but other former officials said the incident was benign and that anonymizing information is a routine way of handling such information in unclassified channels.

The Justice Department’s approach to classified information cases raises the stakes for Clinton’s interview with the FBI, which is expected to occur in the coming weeks. While mishandling classified information has not proven to be a reliable way to get charged with a crime, lying to the FBI about it, or trying to cover your tracks, is.

Many experts believe Petraeus would have escaped criminal charges but for the false statements to the FBI, which may have tipped the case towards prosecution.

Just last year, former Naval Reserve Commander Bryan Nishimura was charged with misdemeanor mishandling of classified information he acquired during his service in Afghanistan. He admitted that he often moved classified data, including satellite imagery, to unclassified systems and brought it back to the U.S. when he returned.

After coming under investigation, Nishimura threw some of the storage media in a Folsom, Calif. lake. He was sentenced to two years probation and a $7,500 fine.

Giuliani said the way Clinton disposed of many of her emails could similarly buttress a prosecution.

After hanging onto the messages for about two years after leaving office, Clinton returned 30,000 messages at State’s request, but her aides erased another 32,000 that were deemed personal.

“When somebody destroyed something, that’s a very powerful piece of evidence to put in front of a jury,” said Giuliani.

The FBI has reportedly recovered many of those erased messages, but even if they contain a smoking gun, using that against Clinton would be legally challenging, since her attorneys performed the sorting and separation of the emails.

There appears to be little public data on how classified information breaches are treated across the government, but the Keyser case allowed a glimpse into how Clinton’s former agency handled such allegations.

In a 2006 filing in that case, a union official said the State Department considered disciplinary action of foreign service officers for security violations or infractions in 170 cases from 2002 to 2004. Many got a letter of reprimand or admonishment, while a few were suspended from work for a few days. (A few were also recorded as receiving reprimands for “misuse of E-mail system.”)

The most serious punishment for security violations during that three-year period was firing, said Sharon Papp, general counsel of the American Foreign Service Association.

“Although, at the discretion of the State Department, some of these cases were referred to the Department of Justice, I do not know of a single State Department employee criminally prosecuted in a security violation or security revocation case,” Papp wrote in a declaration submitted by Keyser’s defense. “I am aware of no case in which a State Department employee who took classified material from its proper location … has been prosecuted.”

Several experts told POLITICO that in light of the legal obstacles to a case and the Justice Department’s track record in such prosecutions they are confident Clinton won’t face charges.

“Based on everything I’ve seen in the public media, not only don’t I see the basis for criminal prosecution, I don’t even see the basis for administrative action such as revoking a clearance or suspending it,” said Leonard, the former director of the Information Security Oversight Office.

“Looked at as a potential criminal case, this would be laughed out of court,” said William Jeffress, a Washington attorney on the defense team for former Bush White House aide Scooter Libby during his trial for lying in a leak investigation. “There hasn’t been any case remotely approaching a situation where someone received emails that were not marked classified, who simply receives them and maybe replies to them and a criminal prosecution is brought,” Jeffress said.

Giuliani conceded that most mishandling of classified information never leads to criminal charges. He even said he thought some of his deputies while he was U.S. Attorney may have broken the rules on occasion.

“I’m sure we had situations when I was associate attorney general or U.S. Attorney where some FBI agent, Assistant US Attorney, or Assistant Attorney General took confidential material home with him,” Giuliani said. “Of course, we weren’t prosecuting if that happened one time or two times,” Giuliani added.

However, Giuliani said Clinton deserves to be indicted and he believes the case would be a winner in the courtroom.

“It’s a tough decision, politically, but legally, I think it’s not: If Hillary Clinton was not running for president, she’d have been indicted by now,” Giuliani said. “I’d love to try this case.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/hillary-clinton-prosecution-past-cases-221744#ixzz48NSTBbTD
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66. "man, ain't no one trying to read all that...lol"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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69. "RE: man, ain't no one trying to read all that...lol"
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U didn't have to read the whole thing, dog......The first two lines are telling....

Rudy G. is the only dude (on the legal side of things) screaming INDICTMENT...lol

Again, not even on some political shit. These are just legal folks offering their thoughts on the case...It's hilarious, really...

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67. "RE: Examination based on prior cases"
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>Best they could get was "highly unlikely but not impossible"
>
>The only expert he could find who DID say an indictment should
>happen was Rudy Giuliani. Rudy fucking Giuliani

I mean, it is what it is...

The problem that the folks (the delusional people on both sides of the Right and the Left who are pinning their hopes on a Clinton indictment) keep running into is making this case more than what it is....I've gone on record many times to say that this is indeed a serious case...But, as you've noted, it's important to point out that this is not a black/white criminal case. This is a let's turn the entire process on its head and see what shakes out...

Again, it's going to be interesting when there are no charges for ANYONE involved in this case....I already know what the highly partisan folks on the right will be screaming (OBAMA FIXED IT!)....But how the hardcore Bernie heads handle this will be worth dissecting....

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72. "Yeah, I'm assuming people will just continue to believe what they want"
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The narrative will be easy for team trump. Corrupt Obama clearly intervened.

For the Bernie end, i think those hoping for, or believing there will be an indictment are mostly already in the #neverhillary camp.

  

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80. "Bring something to the discussion"
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You're not so far.

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82. "Says the guy who thinks Bernie will win and Hillary will be indicted"
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shit's rich

  

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88. "RE: Says the guy who thinks Bernie will win and Hillary will be indicted"
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Is that not a possibility on both accounts?

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91. "i think you're unable, or simply refuse to look at things objectively"
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I'm assuming it's the latter

and for the record, i would love it if you are right, and i'm wrong. that shit would be amazing, but it's not going to happen.

>Is that not a possibility on both accounts?

i'd say it's somewhere between improbable and impossible

  

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92. "I'm definitely being objective about it all"
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...and thanks for admitting it's possible.

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73. "RE: Examination based on prior cases"
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>>"A former senior FBI official told POLITICO that when it comes to mishandling of >>classified information the Justice Department has traditionally turned down >>prosecution of all but the most clear-cut cases.

>>“If you look at the history of what they pursued, you really had to have a slam->>bam case that met all the elements,” said the ex-official, who asked not to be >>named."

I believe they have this.

In the article one of the sources points out that from what they've seen in the media that it's not enough to indict. I think from what we've seen is that there is enough, in my opinion. The FBI has way more info than anyone and they have taken certain key steps that insinuate forthcoming charges.

• Extraditing Guccifer the hacker (possible evidence of hacking)
• Russia looks like they were able to get these possibly hacked emails as further evidence of exposure
• Giving the IT (server installer/maintenance) immunity
• requesting interviews with Hillary going last
• spending over a year with the investigation
• Hillary deleting emails (about 30,000)
• Hillary not giving the FBI the server intact with all email contents(she gave them 55,000 pages of "work-related emails")
• Missing emails when cross-checked with emails in other correspondence she had
• Possible evidence of quid pro quo using the Clinton Foundation (speculation)
etc...

It's out there if you look.

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76. "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias"
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

>It's out there if you look.


  

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79. "Thanks for adding nothing to the discussion"
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Go outside and play. Grown folks is talking.

::Hillary cackle::

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81. "You're very welcome. Enjoy your indictment fantasies"
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84. "I'm enjoying the process but..."
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knowing what this means for the country is saddening. Trust me, I don't enjoy that part.

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77. "RE: Examination based on prior cases"
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>• Extraditing Guccifer the hacker (possible evidence of
>hacking)


Now I know not to take u seriously on this...Even the FBI has dismissed the hacker as just plain bullshit...

Again, I'm all for transparency...If Clinton knowingly broke the law then she should be held accountable and drop out of the race...

But what I've been seeing from you is on the same level of a foaming at the mouth, Right Wing extremist hoping, more than anything else, that ol' girl gets thrown under the jail...

The irony is, it won't even matter what the outcome is for folks like yourself...lol

Keep up that good fight, dog...And stay away from the conspiracy theories....

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78. "lol hardly foaming at the mouth"
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you sound exasperated. Calm down and grab a glass of iced tea.

Substantiate your claim about Guccifer, please. I doubt the FBI has said anything of the sort. If they have I haven't seen it, homey.

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85. "RE: lol hardly foaming at the mouth"
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Dog...U JUST BROUGHT UP THE HACKER who HAS ALREADY BEEN DISCREDITED...

That's telling. Don't get it twisted...I've gone back and forth with folks who actually have issues with the email investigation....They r looking at it from a no-bullshit point of view....And they are not relying on cherry picking articles and Right Wing fueled conspiracy theories....

Again, I have no beef with u...In fact, u can believe what u ant, homie...It's a free country.

But at the very least, let's stay above the bullshit....U keeping posting things that have either already been discredited or r, at best, a reach...

Just saying...

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89. "Who discredited the hacker?"
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I haven't seen this.

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94. "RE: Who discredited the hacker?"
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THE FBI, the Washington Post, the New York Times....lol

Look it up....

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95. "Where are the links, my man"
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Every FBI related article, every washington post article, every nytimes article never dispute Guccifer's claims. In fact the FBI will probably use his testimony to bolster any charges they may have against Madame Secretary Clinton. Where are you getting this stuff, out of your arse?

Point it out to me because I've never seen anyone saying he's lying.

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103. "RE: Where are the links, my man"
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Dog...u better than this....All it takes is a Google search....U sure u not a FOX News plant?

"U.S. officials also dismissed claims by a Romanian hacker now facing federal charges in Virginia that he was able to breach Clinton’s personal email server. The officials said investigators have found no evidence to support the assertion by Marcel Lehel Lazar to Fox News and others, and they believed if he had accessed Clinton’s emails, he would have released them — as he did when he got into accounts of other high-profile people."

link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/federal-prosecutors-in-virginia-assisting-in-clinton-email-probe/2016/05/05/f0277faa-12f0-11e6-81b4-581a5c4c42df_story.html?postshare=51462488002640&tid=ss_tw

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97. "You still haven't explained what charge she's being investigated for..."
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I understand that you really, really, really, really want to get Hillary. But at no time has ANYONE said what crime the FBI is investigating.

You know why? Because they're not investigating her for committing a criminal act. If they were, you'd have heard someone say, "HRC is under investigation for XYZ."

  

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98. "I'm just fascinated by the story"
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Do I believe she will be charged? Yes.
I'm not doing anything but being a bystander in all of this like you all. I'm not "getting" anyone. I'm not standing outside of her house with pitchfork-armed mob. For folks to say she didn't do anything illegal shows ignorance of the situation.

Anyway, they are not speaking about it because they are still investigating and have said that they will not speak about it to the press. We, the public, can look at the laws in black and white and make a determination based on what little factual info we have about the matter. If this info looks damning, which it does, then we have reason to determine the outcome.

We're all waiting to see the severity of the issue. Obviously the FBI has more than we've seen. Does this help you understand why you haven't heard anything, Marbles?

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99. "mishandling classified information and receiving improper benefits"
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through the clinton foundation

LOL@the bury your head in the sand routine IRT the email investigation

2 seconds with google = can't feign ignorance

there are 2 potential criminal charges for the emails

1 is a misdemeanor, and the other a felony

they come down to language and how it is interpreted

'gross neglegience', etc...

18 U.S.C.A. § 1924(a), a misdemeanor:

“Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than one year, or both."

18 U.S.C.A § 793(f), a felony:

“Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.”

you can find them, really not that hard TBH

the other angle, which has been overlooked

through the email investigation, there has been a connection to the clinton foundation

and HRC receiving improper benefits

i.e. it is illegal for elected officials to accept monies and gifts

also

if she provided classified information to clinton foundation donors

it's 2 fold

the emails, at least, are outside of protocol

the money part, yeah, that's pretty cut and dry.

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100. "RE: mishandling classified information and receiving improper benefits"
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>there are 2 potential criminal charges for the emails

>18 U.S.C.A. § 1924(a), a misdemeanor:
>18 U.S.C.A § 793(f), a felony:

>you can find them, really not that hard TBH

I understand these statutes and everything I've read said that there's no indication that she intentionally provided classified info to anyone who shouldn't be in possession of it. The analogy that's often been made is to the situation with Petraeus. He intentionally provided classified material to his mistress to help her write her book.

If she was careless with the e-mail server or whatever is one thing. Like you said, it may be a violation of protocol. But they're not going to get her for intentionally providing classified info to someone who shouldn't have it, especially some donors.

>the other angle, which has been overlooked
>through the email investigation, there has been a connection
>to the clinton foundation
>and HRC receiving improper benefits
>i.e. it is illegal for elected officials to accept monies and
>gifts

I'm pretty sure that Bill ran the foundation while she was in the Senate & Sec. of State. I think she became involved again after she stepped down. But to be honest, I haven't seen anything about the e-mail server investigation being connected to illegal donations.

  

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101. "what other intent could one have for installing a private server in thei..."
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home to conduct government business?

and/or wouldn't you expect, in the capacity of SOS, that classified material would be routed through that server if the intent was to use it as the primary address for conducting SOS affairs?

it doesn't have to be specifically passed to someone who shouldn't have it

the intent of personally possessing classified information outside or the protocol is the act being investigated

the citation of patreaus is based on the mishandling classified information charge

that was what he was charged with

of course the cases differ

but as you can see from the language, it encompasses what happened with HRC

we can discuss her deflections...Colin Powell, etc...

but you can look those up yourself and see how they don't hold up IRT what she did with this server

I'm not jumping down this wormhole with the HRC contingent

the information is out there

you can look it up yourself

but ya'll won't, because ya'll refuse to see what's right in front of you.

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102. "Word..."
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to yo mutha!

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111. "RE: what other intent could one have for installing a private server in ..."
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>the citation of patreaus is based on the mishandling
>classified information charge

Petraeus knowingly removed classified material with the specific intent to provide it to his girlfriend. Some of the material that Clinton is accused of mishandling wasn't even classified at that time. And they'd have to show that she removed the material with the intent of providing it to someone else.

>but ya'll won't, because ya'll refuse to see what's right in
>front of you.

What's funny is that I don't really lean either way on Hillary Clinton. I don't have a rabid hate for her nor am I a cheerleader for her. This e-mail issue is no different than Benghazi, when folks swore up & down that she conspired to murder 4 Americans. This e-mail thing has been blown way out of proportion in order to damage her rep (which is in tatters already among some groups).

Like you said, she might have violated protocol but there won't be an indictment coming down at any time.

  

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112. "no, you're wrong, the patreaus analogy = intentionally removing"
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classified material.

don't get caught up in the gf angle and you're there

what he did, was take personal notes during debriefings, etc...

there is a protocol in place for filing those notes

regardless of who he passed those notes to

he took them outside of the protocol

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114. "RE: no, you're wrong, the patreaus analogy = intentionally removing"
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>classified material.
>
>don't get caught up in the gf angle and you're there
>
>what he did, was take personal notes during debriefings,
>etc...
>
>there is a protocol in place for filing those notes
>
>regardless of who he passed those notes to
>
>he took them outside of the protocol
>
>=

You're right. It doesn't matter that it was his GF. It matters that he knowingly removed the materials.

Remember, most of the stuff in Clinton's case wasn't classified at the time.

  

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117. "You can have documents "born classified""
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born_secret

I think that to say that the emails weren't classified at the time is to ignore the idea that emails can be "born classified". I believe there's reported evidence showing that she requested that classification markings be removed before sending them to her.

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115. "RE: no, you're wrong, the patreaus analogy = intentionally removing"
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>classified material.
>
>don't get caught up in the gf angle and you're there
>
>what he did, was take personal notes during debriefings,
>etc...
>
>there is a protocol in place for filing those notes
>
>regardless of who he passed those notes to
>
>he took them outside of the protocol

I think what homie is getting at is Patreaus was handling emails that were ALREADY classified....

From all reports coming out now, the emails Clinton was handling were not stamped as classified until after the fact...

Now if it comes out that ol' girl or anyone on her team knowingly handled classified info, they will be in serious trouble....

But as recent as a few days days ago this has been the headline, which has been reported on by the NY Times (no friend of Clinton's), CNN and the Washington Post:

"Prosecutors and FBI agents investigating Hillary Clinton’s use of a personal email server have so far found scant evidence that the leading Democratic presidential candidate intended to break classification rules.”

link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/federal-prosecutors-in-virginia-assisting-in-clinton-email-probe/2016/05/05/f0277faa-12f0-11e6-81b4-581a5c4c42df_story.html?postshare=51462488002640&tid=ss_tw

Again, if you are more on the conspiratorial side of things and believe there is some vast web that connects the Clinton Foundation with classified emails, Vince Foster's death, UFO's or whatever, then do you, homie....(BTW, the Clinton Foundation/Bill Clinton doesn't need that kind of help...They are connected to some pretty side-eye worthy shit like the rebuilding of Haiti....U can roll with that instead of going full on Tin Foil hat...)


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116. "So explain to me what it could be, other than intentional"
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The SOS

accidentally had a private server installed in her home

outside of state department oversight

and coincidentally never handled any classified material through that address

that she exclusively used in her SOS capacity

I think you can see which explanation is easier to believe

I hope

BTW, the argument as I understand it

is that the classified material didn't originate from her

not that she never handled classified material through that address

again, common sense

just in the capacity of SOS, some of her content will automatically be classified.

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119. "RE: So explain to me what it could be, other than intentional"
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>The SOS
>
>accidentally had a private server installed in her home

This is moot....

>outside of state department oversight


Moot...

>and coincidentally never handled any classified material
>through that address

If it comes out that Clinton knowingly SENT OUT classified info to officials who do not have such clearance then she should drop out of the race....Very cut and dry....

>that she exclusively used in her SOS capacity


moot...

>I think you can see which explanation is easier to believe

moot...

>I hope


moot...

>BTW, the argument as I understand it
>
>is that the classified material didn't originate from her

No...it's pretty black and white..As a government official with Clinton's security clearance she handles thousands of documents that r classified or unclassified...It goes with the job...So her handling classified info is not against the law...It would be sharing it with folks that DO NOT have the security clearance that would have serious legal implications...

The investigation has nothing to do with why Clinton used a separate email server of separate, private cell phone (such as Powell and Rice did) to conduct their work...They r simply investigating whether or not anyone on Clinton's team, from IT to assistants to other officials, KNOWINGLY sent out/handled classified documents that would harm or negatively impact the security of the government...

Again, what I'm reading from you is an attempt to connect some conspiratorial dots...And that's cool...There is indeed a place for that. But you will be let down by the end of the entire investigation if that's your angle.

The investigation is pretty cut and dry: Did Clinton or anyone on her team handle classified information....The FBI is not looking into anything beyond that....

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120. "Whatever makes you feel better, Murph"
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but again, you're wrong. That is only part of what is being looked into. Read some more because it's fundamental.

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127. "RE: Whatever makes you feel better, Murph"
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Dog...before jumping back into this, u need to do a better job of vetting the information posts...lol.....Again, u were trying to pass that hacker information off as some bombshell...U doing way too much right now...

Also, Wikipedia pages cannot be used as proof of ANYTHING....

Slow down....

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I gave 'em to u...I already took that hacker bullshit off the table...lol..

U choose to believe what u want...WHAT the FBI is investigating has been front page news for weeks...

U gotta do better than this....

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122. "RE: Powell and Rice"
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LOL@you disregarding the easiest explanation

which makes me a conspiracy nut

HAHA

"Start with the fact that neither Mr. Powell nor Ms. Rice set up a private email server to conduct government business. Mr. Powell did have a personal email account, but he purposely used a State-maintained classified computer system on his desk for classified communications. This may not have been “convenient” for him, to borrow an earlier Clinton explanation for her private server, but Mr. Powell understood the rules. And he understood them even prior to 2005 when State instituted clear rules warning against private email for official business. Mrs. Rice’s aides say she never used any email while at State.

While a few sensitive details may have leeched into a Powell or Rice-aide email account, these would have been accidental. By contrast, Mrs. Clinton intentionally created a private email account, on her own private server, precisely so she could keep those emails away from government public-disclosure rules.

Mr. Linik’s review turned up two messages sent to Mr. Powell’s account that State now deems sensitive (though Mr. Powell disputes that they should be classified). Mr. Linik found 10 that were sent to Ms. Rice’s State Department entourage over her entire tenure. By contrast, State has now deemed that more than 1,600 emails on Mrs. Clinton’s server are confidential—and there is another batch still to be released.

The federal government maintains several levels of classification, ranging from the lowest designations of “sensitive but unclassified” and “confidential” to code-word classifications for the most important secrets. While all such information must be safeguarded, lower-level “sensitive but unclassified” and “confidential” information is sometimes circulated on unclassified government systems. Mr. Powell points out that the two emails sent to him were first circulated on unclassified State Department systems and forwarded to his account by an assistant.

Many of Mrs. Clinton’s 1,600 classified emails also fall into these “sensitive” and “confidential” categories. But at least 22 emails have been identified as highly classified from their creation. This means that their information would have resided at all times on classified government systems until they were sent to Mrs. Clinton and her unclassified, unguarded private server. There is no evidence that anything remotely like that happened under Secretaries Powell or Rice."

http://www.wsj.com/articles/clintons-false-email-equivalence-1454716185

i.e., they followed protocol =/= HRC use of a private server.

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123. "RE: Powell and Rice"
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>LOL@you disregarding the easiest explanation

I'm not...What I'm saying is u r dragging your own conspiratorial views on Clinton into a case that's pretty cut and dry...

FBI officials are only interested in one thing: DID HILLARY R. CLINTON OR ANYONE ON HER TEAM KNOWINGLY EXCHANGE/SEND OUT CLASSIFIED EMAILS?

U can argue all day WHY Clinton decided to use a separate server to conduct her work that often times involved classified information....And u can come out with your own views or outcomes....I have no interest in debating this because........

1) that's no longer part of the FBI investigation. She gave her reasons why and the FBI moved on to a much more damaging aspect of the investigation....

2) It's largely viewed by legal experts that Clinton used an outside server for the same reason other officials used outside non-government phones to conduct business....

Again, I think we are debating two different things here...

YOU think Clinton had nefarious intentions because she had a separate server....Unfortunately, that's not what is being investigated here....If it was, I would not be involved with our back and forth....

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125. "RE: reply 99"
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wording like 'intent', 'gross negligence', and 'having knowlegde' are direct quotes from the language of the charges

yes, the why matters

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133. "RE: reply 99"
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I'm only interested in what the FBI is investigating...Not a morality play on how nefarious Clinton's intentions were...

I would never attempt to debate YOUR personal feelings on Clinton...There are people that think she's the devil personified....

If u want to debate what the FBI is investigating, I'm def. down to continue...But it seems like your attention is more on some A + B = C shit...lol

U r not voting for Clinton. You've made that point...Cool...

But at the very least let's stick with the actual case happening right now....

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130. "It's pretty clear why"
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She is hiding something. All the flags are there. We'll see how severe she will be reprimanded. I don't know about prison, but the reward should not be the presidency.

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134. "RE: It's pretty clear why"
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>She is hiding something. All the flags are there. We'll see
>how severe she will be reprimanded. I don't know about prison,
>but the reward should not be the presidency.

Yeah..I'm going to stick to that FBI investigation and leave the conspiracy theories at the door...

Again, it's going to be interesting when the FBI finds no wrong doing in this case which way folks like yourself will go...I mean, I already know (BLAME OBAMA!!!!!)

It's amazing...The hardcore Bernie-Or-Bust progressives and ultra Right Wing contingent have a lot in common...

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137. "No, I wouldn't blame O"
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I'm not Bernie or bust either. I will vote, just not for Hillary.
I'm convinced that she will be charged and possibly indicted. We'll see how it all ends won't we?

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151. "RE: No, I wouldn't blame O"
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>I'm not Bernie or bust either. I will vote, just not for
>Hillary.


lol...That's BERNIE OR BUST....

And voting for a green party candidate is basically throwing your vote away....

But on the real, as noted many times, the folks who say they will ONLY vote for Bernie are by and large A) folks who rarely vote and think the system is bullshit....or B) folks who are not Democrats....

I'll say it again...If Bernie was leading Hillary, and if she was the one taking resources out of California like Bernie is at the moment, u better believe I would be voting for Bernie all day...


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152. "Bernie and Hillary are not equal"
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One is less than the other on the smell test... it's Hillary.
Take some time and look at the timeline below. It might blow your mind. A few of your questions are answered there too. I'll refer you to that post if you have any additional.

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154. "RE: Bernie and Hillary are not equal"
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I'm a Democrat...

If Bernie was leading, I would be voting for dude in the general....

But he's not. So I'm voting for Clinton.

Nothing more, nothing less....

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142. "RE: if the FBI finds no wrong doing"
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ya'll are still not considering the precedent that would set going forward

but you're not interested in that

?

if that's what you believe

and as you said, we will find out

does that mean you are for all officials doing the same IRT handling official government business outside of oversight?

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153. "RE: if the FBI finds no wrong doing"
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>ya'll are still not considering the precedent that would set
>going forward

huh?

>but you're not interested in that

I'm interested in the facts of the case...Not some over arching WHAT DOES THIS ALL MEANS debate....lol...This sounds like a lot of nothing just like Benghazi. And this is coming from someone who was actually spooked that Clinton was involved in this bullshit...


>?
>
>if that's what you believe
>
>and as you said, we will find out
>
>does that mean you are for all officials doing the same IRT
>handling official government business outside of oversight?

We won't have to worry about that, homie...Because they have already changed the rules for such things...No more using separate phones to conduct "official" government business...No more using separate servers, etc....

Again, if Clinton or anyone on her team is indeed found guilty for their actions, punish them....But at the moment, that does't seem to be the case...

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155. "Did you read this?"
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http://thompsontimeline.com/The_Clinton_Email_Scandal_Timeline

I want to see what you have to say afterwards.

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107. "personally I have gone through Kerry,Obama,Obama"
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and now Bernie.

It is rough coming into politics as a voter and seeing Bush get reelected. That does something to "hope and change". I remember us thinking this was a no brainer, and yet people didn't show up to vote. I feel like since then my generation has been more active, and are more participatory and progressive by nature. That is how you get an Obama, and now a Sanders as viable candidates. The reason you see the emotional fervor is because Bernie is addressing issue we care about, and unapologetically. That is worth fighting for, and it matters enough for us to be as engaged as we are. The most disheartening thing is yet again people are sitting on the sidelines, let alone the uphill battle of going against Hillary's anointed candidacy.

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96. "WV open primary "
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35% of people polled that voted for Bernie said the would vote Trump over Bernie in general

But yea closed primaries are a tool for voter suppression

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104. "RE: WV open primary "
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>35% of people polled that voted for Bernie said the would
>vote Trump over Bernie in general
>
>But yea closed primaries are a tool for voter suppression


Don't u just love politics????????

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105. "its fucking west virginia"
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fully inbred

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108. "also in a recent poll, 100% of Hillary Clinton supporters"
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say they would vote for Bernie Sanders if he is the nominee.

All you are doing with your stat is showing how UNFAVORABLE your boo Hillary is. Yall are setting the Democratic Party up for failure, but it's ok. If she eeks out a win at least you might can get Medicaid when you're 50, but don't hold me to that.

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113. "RE: also in a recent poll, 100% of Hillary Clinton supporters"
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>say they would vote for Bernie Sanders if he is the nominee.


Because Hillary supporters are Democrats....And they view the race as Dems against Repugs...

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118. "right, so to allude to the fact that Bernie wouldn't have "
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33% of his support in the general, then we also need to weigh in that he WOULD have 100% of HER support in the general.

But the BIGGER issue is that Democrats in WV, who voted for her against Obama, detest her enough now to demonstratively vote against her just to prove a point.

Either way, I'm all for it. I didn't see people scrutinizing her problematic wins when she got to win the state, but NOW you want to weigh in and analyze HOW she lost? Can we do the same for Arizona and NY? Talk about Independents who were left out? Or Dems who were purged? Or ANY of the things we've been talking about for months?

No? Cool. Sounds like a resounding Sanders victory to me. 2 down, 8 to go #fuego

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124. "RE: right, so to allude to the fact that Bernie wouldn't have "
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No....what I'm getting at is a good number of votes for Bernie in open primaries in VERY PURPLE STATES or Right Wing states come from folks who are deliberately throwing their vote to hurt Clinton, the presumptive nominee...

This is especially true NOW given that Trump has already locked up the nomination...The WV open primary was ripe for such mischief...This added to Clinton's bone headed coal country comments = the outcome we see now...

But hey.....Even Bernie knows what's happening...His campaign person overseeing his California primary recently resigned....If u r a Democrat and not putting major money in Cali that pretty much spells it out...What Bernie is doing now is running for a say in the Democratic platform...

Hopefully his Bernie-Or-Bust followers understand this...But most likely, they won't...

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126. "those same votes won't be voting for Hillary in the GE"
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which IMO could be a serious problem.

anyway you twist it the GOP is getting more people to the primaries... gotta hope they stay home now that trump is the nominee or it could be a problem in the swing states that will decide this election

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132. "They will vote"
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I've been listening to Thom Hartmann today and he was talking to a caller about how the media WANTS Trump to win. They have been giving him free publicity for over a year now. They are literally brainwashing people into voting for him.

I'm leaning Bernie or Stein at the moment, but I can understand why people would go for Trump. They want the system blowed up real good not understanding that it is by design he is the front runner.

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136. "RE: those same votes won't be voting for Hillary in the GE"
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Of course, because those same voters will be voting for Trump....In an open primary ANYONE CAN VOTE FOR EITHER SIDE....So in WV u saw Trump supporters voting for Bernie to stick it to Clinton...U have to remember, Trump had already won the nomination, so this was bound to happen......

When u get to places like NJ and California u will see more of a Democratic Party race....This is all a forgone conclusion....Bernie has already raised the white flag by pulling some of his resources out of California....Dude basically wants a seat at the table...That's why he's still running....By mid June he will drop out...

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138. "um, I pretty sure that has to do with the fact that"
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Trump already locked up his side. Even if it is a vote against Hillary, it is STILL a vote FOR Bernie. Ok, they would vote for Trump in a GE. Guess what tho: they would vote for BERNIE before Hillary. Again, that points to how unfavorable she is in this race. She is their third place candidate. So how does your logic bend to disregard their input? They vote for Bernie in the primary, and Trump in the GE. THEY WON'T VOTE FOR HILLARY. THEY EVEN SHOWED UP TO SHOW THEY WON'T VOTE FOR HER.

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131. "RE: right, so to allude to the fact that Bernie wouldn't have "
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>33% of his support in the general, then we also need to weigh
>in that he WOULD have 100% of HER support in the general.

Yes Hillary supporters are more logical and levEl headed than yal 'bernie r bust' dimwits

Not really news on that front.

Yes I would vote for Bernie in the general over trump

I'm not an overly emotional ideological teenager and can see the bigger picture

But that's neat how u used the ignorance of Bernie supporters and spun it as positive

Well done


>
>But the BIGGER issue is that Democrats in WV, who voted for
>her against Obama, detest her enough now to demonstratively
>vote against her just to prove a point.

Uhh I think they detested the Black man more homie.

Incase ur clueless on WV being racist as shyt yea they voted her over the Black guy from Chicago.

Also her saying she wants the coal industry to go out business stuff..

Sad that had to be explained but it's expected being that uv been clueless on just about everything else.


>
>Either way, I'm all for it. I didn't see people scrutinizing
>her problematic wins when she got to win the state, but NOW
>you want to weigh in and analyze HOW she lost?

She actually killed him in the closed primary

But they only count the caucus

Which gave the opportunity for trump supporters to influence the Democratic vote


Can we do the
>same for Arizona and NY? Talk about Independents who were left
>out? Or Dems who were purged? Or ANY of the things we've been
>talking about for months?
>
>No? Cool. Sounds like a resounding Sanders victory to me. 2
>down, 8 to go #fuego


Yea u still don't get it

But it's cool

Congrats on winning the white male racist demographic and getting only 5 delegates

I'm sure you'll have more excuses when he gets killed in Cali and Jersey


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148. "^^^^sounds nervous^^^"
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135. "This Trump/Ryan WWE ass meeting"
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I hate how in this clown show, Paul Ryan is being portrayed by the media as this stand up guy and serious policy wonk. he's just as much a fraud as any of them, if not more.

The same guy who in a debate with Biden told 24 lies in 40 minutes, to the point that even people on Fox were asking if he was tyring to set some kind of record for lies

Yet he'll probably be inaugurated in 2021

  

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139. "i dont know why the gop acting like they aint down"
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with trumps bullshit...he sayin the racist shit they always been wanting to say...they jus thought they couldnt get away with it and garner votes

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141. "it works out good for guys like Ryan"
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they can pretend there's a contrast. and say things like "this is not what the republican party stands for!"

This whole so-called summit bullshit is just going to look like he and Trump hashed out some huge differences with the narrative of "Oh if a serious man like Paul Ryan can get behind Trump, its a huge step toward party unity" and even though it's transparent as fuck, people will still fall for it.

  

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140. "Trump's butler: "Shoot, Kill Obama" (Swipe)"
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THIS is very interesting....Trump folks stay together...Full on Birther AND OBEEZY SHOULD BE DEPORTED....

This general election needs to come sooner than later....

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On Facebook, Trump's Longtime Butler Calls for Obama to Be Killed
"This prick needs to be hung for treason!!!"
—By David Corn | Thu May 12, 2016 1:40 PM EDT

Donald Trump and his longtime butler Anthony Senecal From the Facebook page of Anthony Senecal.

Anthony Senecal, who worked as Donald Trump's butler for 17 years before being named the in-house historian at the tycoon's Mar-a-Lago estate in Palm Beach, has repeatedly published posts on his Facebook page that express profound hatred for President Barack Obama and declare he should be killed.

On Wednesday, Senecal put up a post that read:

"To all my friends on FB, just a short note to you on our pus headed "president" !!!! This character who I refer to as zero (0) should have been taken out by our military and shot as an enemy agent in his first term !!!!! Instead he still remains in office doing every thing he can to gut the America we all know and love !!!!! Now comes Donald J Trump to put an end to the corruption in government !!!! The so called elite, who are nothing but common dog turds from your front lawn are shaking in their boots because there is a new Sheriff coming to town, and the end to their corruption of the American people (YOU) is at hand !!!! I cannot believe that a common murder is even allowed to run (killery clinton) OR that a commie like bernie is a also allowed to also run !!!! Come on America put your big boy pants on---this election you have a choice---GET YOUR ASS OUT AND VOTE !!!! Thank you !!!!"


For more......link: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/05/trump-butler-anthony-senecal-facebook-kill-obama

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143. "it's going to get worse... Trump is going to do everything in his power "
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not to win...

but I'm still scared America is so dumb and hateful they will look past all that or embrace him because they are tired of career politicians

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145. "RE: it's going to get worse... Trump is going to do everything in his po..."
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I'm scared too because America.

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150. "i read an NYT article about him a few weeks ago"
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"In 1990, Mr. Senecal took a sabbatical to become the mayor of a town in West Virginia, where he gained some notoriety for a proposal requiring all panhandlers to carry begging permits. He said that Mr. Trump wrote to him, “This is so great, Tony.”"

whole piece:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/16/us/politics/donald-trump-butler-mar-a-lago.html?_r=0

  

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144. "For those who want all the details on the scandal"
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Hold onto your butts. ©Sam L.

http://thompsontimeline.com/The_Clinton_Email_Scandal_Timeline

All the naysayers, read this and REACT!

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146. "LOL"
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this site is blocked my my work as a security risk
im SURE its a super credible news site tho

  

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147. "RE: LOL"
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It's a carefully put together timeline of how we got to where we are with citations and everything. Take a look when you're you're not clocked in.

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149. "oops"
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wrong thread

  

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156. "#FDT hangs up on WaPo reporters when asked about fake spokesperson"
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http://gawker.com/line-mysteriously-goes-dead-when-washington-post-report-1776578381

Line Mysteriously Goes Dead When Washington Post Reporters Ask Trump About Fake Spokesperson


According to a new report, Donald Trump today hung up on a group of Washington Post reporters and then pretended he wasn’t home when they called back. The cause of his fright? A question about John Miller, the name he sometimes uses when pretending to be a spokesman for himself.

The unnamed reporters were reportedly 44 minutes deep in an interview with Trump about financial issues when someone asked him about the surreal recording of him in character as Miller. In response, he hid. Via the Post:

Then, Friday afternoon, Washington Post reporters who were 44 minutes into a phone interview with Trump about his finances asked him a question about Miller: “Did you ever employ someone named John Miller as a spokesperson?”

The phone went silent, then dead. When the reporters called back and reached Trump’s secretary, she said, “I heard you got disconnected. He can’t take the call now. I don’t know what happened.”

I know what happened.




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157. "DNC selects 3 Sanders committee members = slighted!"
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http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/bernie-sanders-dnc-rules-committee-222978

Now it’s the Democratic convention that’s promising to get messy.
After piling up millions of votes and wins in 19 states, Bernie Sanders and his supporters are beginning to lay out their expectations for the Democratic National Convention — and they’re expressing deep frustration with what they see as a wall of party resistance.
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The most recent flare-up occurred last week, when Sanders publicly released a letter to Democratic National Committee chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz accusing her of stacking the deck against him on the convention's standing committees. “e are prepared to mobilize our delegates to force as many votes as necessary to amend the platform and rules on the floor of the convention," wrote Sanders, several days after a tense phone conversation with the chairwoman.
According to a Sanders official with knowledge of the call, the senator demanded more representation on the committees but Wasserman Schultz would only assure him that he would have representation. A DNC spokesman declined to characterize the conversation and would only confirm that it took place.
For a party that's anxious to unite all its factions behind likely nominee Hillary Clinton after a long slog of a primary, it was an inauspicious — and worrisome — start.
"I'm surprised and a little bit shocked that the numbers are so few given the nature of the base in the coming decade. This is not necessary," said Madison Mayor Paul Soglin, a Sanders supporter. "In other words, if Hillary Clinton is the nominee, it is not necessary to solidify her election by fashioning a list that's so restrictive."
Both the Hillary Clinton and Sanders campaigns had submitted names for consideration on the convention's standing committees, but in January when Wasserman Schultz handed down her final list of 75 nominations — all of whom were approved by the DNC's Executive Committee — nearly all of Sanders' choices had been disregarded.
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Sanders: We're 'fighting for the soul of the Democratic Party'
By NICK GASS
The Vermont senator had provided the DNC with 45 names — a diverse list that included Sanders supporters ranging from Congressmen Raul Grijalva and Keith Ellison to former Texas Agriculture Commissioner Jim Hightower, a leading progressive populist. Wasserman Schultz picked just three of the 45.
Months of negotiations with the DNC failed to add any additional Sanders supporters on the standing committees, leading Sanders to go public with his grievance last week.
To the Sanders camp, Wasserman Schultz’s selections for committee chairmen rubbed salt in the wound. Among the committee co-chairs she named were two sharp-elbowed Clinton partisans known for their harsh criticism of the Vermont senator: Connecticut Gov. Dannel Malloy and former Massachusetts Congressman Barney Frank.
“It's sort of like coded language, dog-whistle politics. You only hear the language if it's directed at you,” said Maine state Rep. Diane Russell, a Sanders supporter who pushed an amendment at the Maine Democratic Party convention Saturday that would make delegates and super delegates align their support in proportion to the state's caucus results. “I think when you saw when the committees were laid out there was no real way to say the DNC was actively shutting out this group of people, supporting this other candidate until you really saw the construction of the committees and I think that brought it to life.”
The tensions between the DNC and the Sanders campaign are long running, ranging from disputes over debates to a bitter feud was over the committee's decision to revoke the Sanders campaign's access to its voter data file following after a data breach. Last week, the Sanders campaign accused the DNC of having an inappropriate fundraising agreement with the Clinton campaign.
Wasserman Schultz insists that the committee has been an honest broker, and that none of the lingering acrimony will have an effect on the convention.
“I'm not at all concerned that we are going to have a divisive fight at our convention. At our convention we are headed toward unity,” she said in a conference call with reporters Wednesday. “Both of our candidates have clearly stated that they will support the other one if they were to win the nomination and I would expect that we would go through a platform drafting process that the entire party rallies around. Both of our candidates are going to substantially participate in the drafting of our platform.”
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The sun is setting on the final planned Democratic primary debate
By HADAS GOLD
The chairwoman contends that the Sanders’ frustrations are misguided — that they resulted from his campaign’s misreading of the rules, rather than any attempt to put her finger on the scale.
There appears to be a fundamental misunderstanding on the part of the Sanders campaign about the way the standing committees of the convention are appointed," she said. "I have nominated and the Democratic National Executive Committee have elected 25 members to each of the standing committees: rules, credentials and platform in January. They've been elected and that process is complete. The remaining membership of each of the standing committees has 167 additional members which are divided proportionally based on the statewide vote that each candidate has earned. So the overwhelming majority of the remaining members of the standing committee are made up of the candidates' choices to serve on those committees. So the answer is yes, both Senator Sanders and Secretary Clinton will have the lion's share of the representation and membership on each of the standing committees at the convention.”
That answer, however, carefully eludes the heart of the Sanders camp's grievance: that the allocation of the initial 75 DNC-nominated standing committee members doesn’t in any way reflect the proportion of the vote the senator has won in the primaries and caucuses.
"The chairwoman who I would call a friend has been less than impartial in her presiding over the Democratic National Committee during this primary season," New Jersey Assemblyman John Wisniewski, a Sanders supporter, said pointing to the makeup of the standing committees as the latest example. "This is not just John Wisniewski saying it. Governor O'Malley raised the question back probably eight or nine months ago at the DNC meeting in Minneapolis in which he questioned a primary season that had four debates. So this an old critique and it is a critique that continues to have life because the optics of what takes place gives credence to it."
Frank, the co-chair of the influential Rules Committee, felt the brunt of Sanders backers' anger on Saturday at the Maine Democratic Convention. When Frank delivered his speech there on behalf of Clinton, he was booed and shouted at as a "sellout" who should "go back to Massachusetts."
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Sanders allies plot post-primary war on Trump
By GABRIEL DEBENEDETTI
Alan Katz, who served on the drafting committee for the 2008 Democratic National Convention, said bickering over slots on standing committees isn't a new phenomenon.
"You had some of this stuff going on between the Clinton and Obama campaigns in '08," Katz said. "A lot of this is the human nature or the human dynamic of the end of a long campaign."
That doesn't make Sanders' supporters any more confident that the party is listening to their complaints or willing to do what it takes to bring Sanders into the fold.
"The frustrating aspect of this campaign season, and the point and time which we're in, is that we hear calls from supporters of Secretary Clinton that it is time to unite the party," said Wisniewski. "Setting aside that Sen. Sanders has a path, albeit a very narrow one, to the nomination, that theme of uniting the party is one that should be bilateral and not a one-way street if the goal ultimately is to make sure that however the primary season turns out that all of us, Sanders supporters and Clinton supporters, are all working for the same nominee. It behooves those who have a position of authority to conduct themselves in an impartial and evenhanded fashion."


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158. "After seeing the Nevada Convention..."
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We may see blood. They have no chill in the DNC.

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159. "Tensions Flare at Nevada Democratic Convention (Video)"
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https://twitter.com/rachelaveryy/status/731541323317043200?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

https://twitter.com/RileySnyder/status/731548182061027328?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

https://www.facebook.com/AdryennAshley/videos/10153761902337695/

WOW, didn't even hear about this, thanks fam

http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/flaring_tensions_lead_to_nevada_democratic_convention_20160515

As if the protocol for assigning delegates to presidential candidates wasn’t confusing enough.

On Saturday, a Democratic convention held in Las Vegas with the aim of sorting out Nevada’s share of delegates became the site of intraparty confrontations, not to mention altercations featuring a security detail from the Paris Las Vegas hotel. The Washington Post put the day’s events in context:

Saturday’s raucous state Democratic convention in Nevada encapsulated a lot of the themes of the party’s 2016 election in a relatively short period: complex delegate math, inscrutable processes, allegations of deceit, fury—and a result that doesn’t do much of anything to shift the race’s eventual outcome.

Nevada’s process for sending delegates to the national convention in Philadelphia is among the most complex. When the state caucused in late February, the fourth state on the calendar for the Democratic Party, the results of that process favored Hillary Clinton. Twenty-three of the 35 total bound delegates were given out proportionally in the state’s four congressional districts, giving Clinton a delegate lead of 13 to 10. The results of the caucus suggested that after the state convention — which bound the state’s seven at-large delegates and five delegates who are elected officials or party leaders — Clinton would end up with a 20-to-15 lead over Bernie Sanders, with Clinton winning one more delegate from the at-large pool (4-to-3) and one more from the party-leader pool (3-to-2) than Sanders.

The people who attend the Democratic convention this weekend were chosen during voting in early April. At that point, Sanders out-organized Clinton, getting 2,124 people elected to the state convention (according to the tabulation at the always-essential delegate-tracking site the Green Papers) to Clinton’s 1,722. That suggested that voting at the state convention would flip: Sanders would win those 4-to-3 and 3-to-2 contests, giving him a 7-to-5 victory at the convention and making the state total 18-to-17 for Clinton instead of 20-to-15.

But that’s not what happened, as best as we can piece together.

RealClearPolitics posted another account Sunday about what did happen:

Adryenn Ashley posted several live videos (below) from inside the Paris Hotel in Las Vegas, where arcane secondary rounds of the delegate selection process of Nevada’s Democratic caucus erupted into chaos Saturday night. Bernie Sanders supporters demanded 64 rejected pro-Sanders delegates listed in a “minority report” prepared by their campaign be allowed to participate in selecting delegates for the national convention.

DNC leaders refused to reconsider their decision not to allow this, adjourned, and fled the building amid a chorus of boos; leaving hotel security and local police officers to handle the angry Sanders supporters.

Earlier in the day, the Sanders camp objected to several of their delegates being disqualified from voting for administrative reasons, and booed Sen. Barbara Boxer when she called for unity. “If you’re booing me, you’re booing Bernie Sanders,” she told them. “Go ahead, boo yourselves out of this election.”

A member of the rules committee called the act of disallowing votes for purely administrative reasons a violation of the spirit of the values of our nation.

Sanders supporter Rachel Avery posted video of the point in the evening when Paris Las Vegas hotel security staff made it clear that the conference, as far as they were concerned, was officially over:




Remember when the story was about the GOP imploding, the DNC is f'n this up!


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160. "Up for Kentucky and Oregon"
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Let's do it!

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161. "waaaaaaaaay up (c)"
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don't call it a comeback!

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163. "Wait folks are really still talking about Bernie winning the nomination?"
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>don't call it a comeback!
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164. "yeah man...hil dawg in cuffs any day now...you aint heard?"
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let these niggas tell it

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165. "The FBI has to say something one of these days"
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You think they're just gonna not report on their findings? People know what's up with Hillary out here. Some people care if our "presumptive nominee" has been involved in criminal behavior. I also tend to think her policy is woefully underwhelming as well.

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172. ""criminal behavior"?? serious? how old are u niggas?"
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i lived thru the 70s and 80s....this shit here is like traffic ticket status nephew..move on

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174. "RE: &amp;amp;quot;criminal behavior&amp;amp;quot;?? serious? how old are..."
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>i lived thru the 70s and 80s....this shit here is like
>traffic ticket status nephew..move on


They can't move on....Because that email shit (which I admit to viewing as VERY serious early on), much like Benghazi is their only trump card....It's their only hope to beating Hill-Dawg.....Because they don't have the votes nor the delegates...

But the dangerous part to all this is we are not dealing with rank and file Democrats or folks who understand there are real differences between Repugs and Dems. The Bernie Or Bust contingent are basically the Bizarro World version of the Right's Tea Party...

I have a lot of folks who are Bernie supporters but will vote for Clinton when the general rolls around....Because they can use political logic. They are not moved by emotions.

If the shoe was on the other foot and Bernie was beating Clinton by 3 million votes, Democrats would be telling ol girl to drop out as well. We are now looking beyond the primary....

The difference between the hardcore Bernie and Clinton supporters is very simple: Clinton folks are Democrats who just want to beat the Republicans.

The hardcore Bernie folks are more in love with the man himself and they want to burn down the entire political process which they see as fixed. They view Democrats as the same as Republicans...

Hopefully, Bernie gets on the mic soon and tells them to turn it down....

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212. "Thinking Hillary will be indicted is as nieve and uniformed by precedent"
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as thinking Bernie Sanders was going to win.

It's just not how government works. The Politico article above should have made that clear and folks should have moved on to another issue.



The funny thing is the email is a typical Clinton Issue.

Just like the blue dress, whitewater, Benghazi, even if there were a breach of law, who was hurt by such a breach of law?



>You think they're just gonna not report on their findings?
>People know what's up with Hillary out here. Some people care
>if our "presumptive nominee" has been involved in criminal
>behavior. I also tend to think her policy is woefully
>underwhelming as well.


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166. "From Bernie Sanders Supporters, Death Threats Over Delegates (SWIPE)"
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Bernie's peeps r throwing around death threats now. And I'm not talking about Twitter death threats. I'm talking phone calls and the like. It's getting nasty. Bernie has to pull his folks back and start packing it in. A few weeks ago I dismissed any notion that his folks would go the way of Trump supporters. Yeah, the homie Wendall Pierce, a Clinton supporter, got into it with some Bernie folks...But I never thought we would see that type of vitriol and violence we saw in Nevada from Bernie's supporters. This shit is beyond crazy...

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Thrown chairs. Leaked cellphone numbers. Death threats spewed across the Internet.

No, this is not the work of Donald J. Trump supporters, some of whom have harassed critics of the presumptive Republican presidential nominee. It was angry supporters of Senator Bernie Sanders who were directing their ire at the Nevada Democratic Party — and its chairwoman, Roberta Lange — over a state convention on Saturday that they think was emblematic of a rigged political system.

“It’s been vile,” said Ms. Lange, who riled Sanders supporters by refusing their requests for rule changes at the event in Las Vegas. “It’s been threatening messages, threatening my family, threatening my life, threatening my grandchild.”

The vicious response has come as millions of new voters, many of whom felt excluded by establishment politicians, have flocked to the insurgent campaigns of Mr. Sanders and Mr. Trump. Mr. Trump has all but locked up the nomination, but many backers of Mr. Sanders remain enraged as his hopes of being the Democratic candidate dwindle.


Recording of a Voicemail Roberta Lange Received

Although Hillary Clinton won the Nevada caucuses in February, the Sanders campaign worked hard to win delegates at county conventions and was hopeful that it could emerge from the state with an equal number of delegates or more. But the state convention, held at the Paris Las Vegas Hotel, deteriorated into chaos after nearly 60 of Mr. Sanders’s potential delegates were deemed ineligible amid a dispute over the rules. The convention concluded abruptly after security staff no longer felt it could ensure the safety of the participants, many of whom were yelling and throwing things.

Though the raucous Republican nominating fight was the one that appeared to be careering toward a contested convention, the drawn-out fight on the Democratic side has emerged as an ugly intraparty feud in its own right, threatening hopes for unity ahead of the July convention in Philadelphia. Mr. Sanders faces a virtually insurmountable delegate deficit, but has pledged to carry on his campaign despite the long odds.

Mr. Sanders has promised, if he is not the nominee, to help defeat Mr. Trump, and even though he has scaled back his attacks against Mrs. Clinton he still asserts that he would be a better general election candidate. The Sanders campaign is still fighting vigorously for every delegate that remains on the table, and his supporters have shown little sign of warming to his opponent.

“What Nevada shows is the kindling is there,” Joe Trippi, a Democratic strategist, said of the energy within Mr. Sanders’s base of support. “The question is, what is he going to do with it?”

The backlash against Ms. Lange in Nevada echoes what happened in Colorado last month when supporters of Mr. Trump bombarded Steve House, the chairman of the State Republican Party, with complaints of disenfranchisement. He received thousands of calls after his cellphone number was disseminated online.

Supporters of Mr. Sanders used similar tactics to exert pressure on Ms. Lange, who has received more than 1,000 calls since Saturday night and as many as three text messages per minute. The threats, which came from men and women from across the country, were haunting and personal.

“Loved how you broke the system,” one person wrote in a text message that said he or she knew where Ms. Lange’s grandchildren went to school. “Prepare for hell. Calls won’t stop.”

Another person left a voice mail message saying he thought Ms. Lange should be “hung in public execution” for her actions.

“I’m scared for my family,” Ms. Lange said. “Scared for my kids.”

Michael Briggs, a spokesman for Mr. Sanders, said the Vermont senator did not condone violence of any kind. However, he said the campaign was still determining whether it would challenge the Nevada results.

“The senator believes that the Democratic Party all over the country would serve its own interests better if it were to figure out a way to welcome people who have been energized and excited by his campaign into the party,” Mr. Briggs said. “It would behoove the party to be more welcoming and engage those people.”

The Democratic National Committee is hoping that what happened in Las Vegas stays there and that the prospect of Mr. Trump’s winning the presidency brings the party together in time for the July convention.

“We’re confident that Democrats will be united and energized at our convention and throughout the general election,” said Mark Paustenbach, a committee spokesman. “Our candidates have each said they will work hard to make sure that Donald Trump and his dangerous and divisive policies never set foot in the Oval Office.”

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167. "They're obfuscating the democratic process"
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It looks like you don't mind that part, Murph. You'd prefer we just shut up and go away... it doesn't work like that in the real world. Bernie doesn't control people the way you think. He's already said before he's not for the violence, but it is NOT ok to ignore the voice of the people you want to govern. They tried to do it the nice way. Just be fair about it.

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169. "RE: They're obfuscating the democratic process"
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No. What u got is some very passionate but uninformed folks kicking up dust NOT KNOWING THEY COULD NOT BE COUNTED AS DELEGATES BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T REGISTER AS DEMOCRATS. Here's the link: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/security-concerns-end-nevada-democratic-convention/

Clinton won Nevada. What happened afterwards was a delegate matter...And when it comes to delegate counts parties can move as they see fit if they have a nominee that, say, has 3 million more votes than the challenger...But the rules are the rules.

Again, it goes back to some of Sanders more out-there supporters not understanding the political process...

U won't flip delegates by calling the cell phone numbers of super delegates and political heads with death threats.

Again, I realize that a nice chunk of Bernie heads who are not regular voters. These are folks that either are voting for the first time (the young sect of Bernie's supporters) or were never Dems to begin with....

Both Clinton and Bernie know that she has the nomination. That's not the issue. This is all a show and pony exercise to be respectful to the Democratic base. What's scaring Democrats is the more ignorant Bernie heads coming into Democratic conventions and turning the event into a Trump shit-storm....

Trust...If Bernie had 3 million more votes than Clinton she would be out of the race by now...I would be telling her to kick rocks....(She stayed in the race with Obama because she was actually winning the popular vote against him. Clinton had EVERY reason to stay in until June as much as folks like myself was giving ol girl the side eye...)

But calling folks and threatening to hang them and threatening their children won't get u any support.....Basically, Trump is smiling like a mufucka right now.....Bernie has to handle this....

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170. "lmao @ Bernie has to handle this"
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171. "RE: lmao @ Bernie has to handle this"
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Yes...He has to handle it. He's their savior, right? It's Bernie Or Bust, right? But dude is ducking right now.....The same way everyone and the grandma was asking Trump to check his violent, racist, ignorant ass supporters Bernie should be doing the same. But he's not....Case in point...

Per @DannyEFreeman, Sanders held press avail while in Puerto Rico. When asked about NV tension/chaos, Sanders walked away during middle of Q....

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176. "you are acting dramatic as shit bruh..."
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179. "RE: you are acting dramatic as shit bruh..."
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Dog...THEY ARE CALLING CLINTON SUPPORTERS WITH DEATH THREATS...Threats of hangings...Very specific threats against family members...KIDS....Phone calls...Internet emails.....Threats of rolling into people's houses....Not cute Twitter talk or Facebook posts...They are really taking it there and invading people's personal space....

What part of that don't u understand....?

I don't care what political party anyone belongs to. When it gets to that point, even if just a few heads doing that bullshit such behavior is dangerous....No one wants to have their convention hijacked by ANY political faction who sees violence and death threats as an answer...

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182. "if Bernie has said that he's not for the fuck shit..."
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then what else is he supposed to do?

people are fucking idiots. you can't stop them from doing stupid shit.

  

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184. "hilarious how serious it is when it's Bernie Bros"
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but anytime its Hillary's nutsjobs the response is all calm. Bunk just snatched a woman's wig and smacked her around and it's crickets...


Murph out here acting like Bernie supporters dumping bodies in abandoned buildings.

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188. "RE: hilarious how serious it is when it's Bernie Bros"
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>but anytime its Hillary's nutsjobs the response is all calm.
>Bunk just snatched a woman's wig and smacked her around and
>it's crickets...
>
>
>Murph out here acting like Bernie supporters dumping bodies in
>abandoned buildings.

Please let me know when Clinton supporters called the homes of Democratic party brokers and delegate counters and threatened to hang them and their children?

U can't dog....

Up until now, the back and forth has remained on some SILLY social media bullshit.....Just a bunch of Bernie Bros and Hill-Bots calling each other names, throwing around tough talk and pulling political pranks.....

But threats of hangings and shootings? DIRECT personal phone calls? That's Trump territory....

If u don't see the difference, that's on u, homie...

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185. "RE: if Bernie has said that he's not for the fuck shit..."
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>then what else is he supposed to do?
>
>people are fucking idiots. you can't stop them from doing
>stupid shit.

Dog,..Bernie's team are on some: "WE DON'T CONDONE VIOLENCE BUT WE UNDERSTAND THEIR FRUSTRATION..."

lol...WTF...

That's Trump-like bullshit...

There were even Bernie folks screaming that they were not included as a delegate NOT KNOWING THEY HAD TO BE REGISTERED AS DEMOCRATS to be part of that process...

Bernie should have been out of the race a few weeks ago. This ain't like Clinton vs. Obama where ol girl was beating Obeezy in the popular vote. There is literally no path to victory for Bernie other than dude flipping Super Delegates, which won't happen. And the crazy part is he knows it.

This is how the Clinton vs. Bernie race can be framed...This is a football game in the 4th quarter with 2 minutes left. Team one (Clinton) is beating Team two (Bernie) by 4 touchdowns and a field goal......If Bernie wants to have a big spot in the platform and not become the most hated man connected to the Democratic party since Nadar, dude needs to fall back...

Trump is already gathering his troops together...This is not a game...

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201. "nothing wrong with his response there. "
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i mean, the DNC (let's take NV out of the equation) has definitely made it hard on Bernie. shit, Debbie Wasserman Schulz rides Hillary's clit more than Bill.

so, yeah, Bernie understands his supporters frustration.

i don't get why Hillary supporters don't get Bernie supporters, or get why he's still pushing this fight and his agenda. either they are blind to the facts or have just signed up for the "lesser evil" okey-doke.

http://www.salon.com/2016/05/15/bernie_or_bust_will_save_us_the_foul_stench_of_lesser_evilism_has_made_our_politics_useless/

maybe that article will help? i dunno.

  

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206. "RE: nothing wrong with his response there. "
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>i mean, the DNC (let's take NV out of the equation) has
>definitely made it hard on Bernie. shit, Debbie Wasserman
>Schulz rides Hillary's clit more than Bill.
>
>so, yeah, Bernie understands his supporters frustration.

They are frustrated because Bernie is bullshitting...They are frustrated for the very same reasons that the Tea Party revolted against the Repugs.

Indeed, there is legit worry out there....Jobs leaving for overseas...Wages r down....Real fear out there. There's legit issues out there that must be addressed.

The problem is Bernie is telling his supporters that they can still win a race that is pretty much over with. He's taking advantage of their lack of voting experience. He's ginning up his supporters. Now every Hillary Clinton win is tainted with a fix.

Bernie is down by 3 million votes...He's going to lose California. He knows he has no chance.

But his supporters don't...That's a problem...

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183. "dawg, a girl in Pittsburgh was attacked and had a B carved on her face"
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but she carved the B backwards and we found out it was a hoax.

Ain't no reason to get all sensational over a couple phone calls.

I'm taking these threats as serious as you took the child pron a Hillary voter sent out to Bernies websites...

c'mon bruh... stop it.

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186. "Lol i wonder what she's up to. she had the most ridiculous story"
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i always cracked up that she said AFTER he robbed her and was on his way, he saw a McCain/Palin bumper sticker on her car, stopped, and turned around...

"What?! John McCain? You're voting for John McCain?? I'll teach you to vote for Barack Obama! Gimme that face... "

"No! NOOOO!"

Shit played like a collegehumor sketch. and most people still bought it at first

  

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189. "shoulda carved an O"
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190. "RE: dawg, a girl in Pittsburgh was attacked and had a B carved on her fa..."
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>but she carved the B backwards and we found out it was a
>hoax.
>
>Ain't no reason to get all sensational over a couple phone
>calls.
>
>I'm taking these threats as serious as you took the child pron
>a Hillary voter sent out to Bernies websites...
>
>c'mon bruh... stop it.


Yeah...IT WAS A FUCKING HOAX....lol

But this time time it ain't a hoax dog...These claims are not coming from some random ass supporters. Let me repeat this: THESE ARE PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN POLITICS FOR DAMN NEAR 20 PLUS YEARS.

I mean, do u think this is a game?

"Lange’s cell phone number got leaked onto the Internet and was shared on social media. Then, Lange began getting threats on her phone. She started getting texts saying she “broke the system” and should “prepare for hell,” according to The New York Times.
Lange received texts threatening her and her family. They allegedly called her a “stupid ass bitch,” “assh*le” and “CUNT.”

This^^^ was compliments compared to the actual voice mails left claiming that they were going to kill her and her family....

Yeah...but this is all fun and games...Right...

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194. "yes. it is a game bruh..."
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spare me the faux outrage.

you act like there is a body count. stop it.

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200. "RE: yes. it is a game bruh..."
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>spare me the faux outrage.
>
>you act like there is a body count. stop it.


I think u trolling dog...If someone was calling MY PERSONAL PHONE claiming they were going to hang me and harm members of my family, I would not think it was a game...And I'm pretty sure u wouldn't either...

This ain't cute, dog...This ain't a game...When u threaten people's lives on a personal level shit gets real...

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180. "Nah, we good. "
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I don't condone any of this, but this isn't part of Bernie's platform. Don't act like he has instructed people to punch people in the face, let alone murder delegates. This isn't on Bernie's hands.

Plus I don't trust this shit. If true, it represents a small sample of Bernie supporters. Next link me to a trans person abusing a child in a bathroom so we can justify HB2.

All I know is Bernie is still burning, and Hillary is desperately waiting for the clock to run out.

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181. "RE: Nah, we good. "
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>I don't condone any of this, but this isn't part of Bernie's
>platform. Don't act like he has instructed people to punch
>people in the face, let alone murder delegates. This isn't on
>Bernie's hands.
>
>Plus I don't trust this shit. If true, it represents a small
>sample of Bernie supporters. Next link me to a trans person
>abusing a child in a bathroom so we can justify HB2.
>
>All I know is Bernie is still burning, and Hillary is
>desperately waiting for the clock to run out.


I don't care who instructed who...This ain't a good look for Bernie....But more importantly this ain't a good look for the Democratic Party...

I'll say it again. I'm a Democrat. I know its not a perfect party...I know it's on some bullshit at times. I get that. But when I look over to the other side (Republicans) I know what needs to be done....If Bernie was leading by a mile and Clinton's supporters were pulling the same fuck shit I would be making the exact post...

Bernie is not burning dog. He's down by 3 million votes. He's pulling his resources out of California, a liberal stronghold. He knows Clinton has the nomination.

What he's doing is trying to get a say in the Party Platform....But a lot of Bernie supporters don't quite understand this....And Bernie does;t help matters when he's ducking questions about his folks unleashing death threats to supporters of the Democratic nominee...

This shit is turning into a cult...




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187. "only reason it feels like a cult is because you guys gave Bernie Bros we..."
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Its like the GOP when they called Obama the messiah.

Why y'all do scared? Its Trump... it's an easy win with Hillary so why all this fake ass fear about Bernies people?

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191. "RE: only reason it feels like a cult is because you guys gave Bernie Bro..."
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>Its like the GOP when they called Obama the messiah.
>
>Why y'all do scared? Its Trump... it's an easy win with
>Hillary so why all this fake ass fear about Bernies people?

Huh? Because no party wants to come into convention looking like they are fighting amongst themselves...If u turn on the TV and the Democratic Convention falls into chaos with Bernie peeps going wild then how is that suppose to look to general voters?

One of the big reasons Obama and the Dems were able to win the Presidency was because the rest of the country viewed the Republicans as a mess. They viewed them as an out of touch party that was consumed by infighting (see the Tea Party)...

The crazy part is, at least with the crazy ass Tea Party those racist dumb ass pricks vote in state and local elections...They actually have won the Repugs the house...By all accounts, the very hardcore Bernie folks don't even give a fuck about voting...Most of them are not even registered to vote as Democrats....

Yeah...shit can fall apart for the Democrats even against a joke like Trump if Bernie goes Bernie....

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196. "bruh, that isn't Bernie fault. People don't like the establishment"
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a lot of Americans hate Clinton and Trump... they hate GOP and Dems. PERIOD.

y'all act like Bernie is a fucking magician. He is an old white dude screaming about income gaps and Wall St. and guess what? This is what a lot of us agree with and its why his voters are so passionate.

Maybe if the Dems didn't fuck up by running Bills wife we would already have this shit locked up.

Don't blame voters passions for this mess. This is the Dems fault for trying to hand it to Hillary.

People dont like her... just be thankful Trump won. Well, maybe.. lol.

I actually think Cruz would be easier to defeat.

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202. "what I been saying all along"
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He just been doing alot of hollering telling people what they want to hear with no realistic plan on getting stuff on his platform accomplished

No different than Trump

He couldn't even organize his delegates to get counted at the Nevada DNC

But we supposed to believe he can get shyt done one in office?

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211. "yeah, that's what happened"
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the guys who had to file a suit against the DNC for their favoritism in NOVEMBER wasn't woke enough to have his peeps in Nevada ready by May 1st?

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219. "ehh.. that sounds like politics bruh"
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203. "RE: bruh, that isn't Bernie fault. People don't like the establishment"
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>Don't blame voters passions for this mess. This is the Dems
>fault for trying to hand it to Hillary.
>
>People dont like her... just be thankful Trump won. Well,
>maybe.. lol.
>
>I actually think Cruz would be easier to defeat.

Democrats support Clinton....She's in the 70 plus percent range dog in terms of the party....That's not the issue...

The issue is a candidate (Bernie) who only ran as a Democrat because of the support system acting like the party is no different than Republicans...

It's not about any of the shit u talking about, homie...ANY candidate hinting that they are going to cause chaos at a convention in this election can def. hurt a political party...

This is real life...Bernie knows he's not winning. Dude needs to fall back and call off the dogs....And trust me, they will listen....

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216. "Bernie has made a lot of people realize that "
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they are NOT Democrats. At most they are Democratic Socialists/Progressives/Independents who were Democrats in name only.

Their ANGER is that it took a man to come in and make this part of the Democratic platform, and that he has been espousing this platform for DECADES - to the silence of the Republican AND Democratic Party - THAT is the source of the push back with Bernie supporters.

Democrats have made such a priority of running to the middle to "unite with Republicans" but ultimately they didn't make working class issues as much of a priority.

They sat on their hands about all of these issues, and now a person comes through and says he has a plan in which we can change the lives of millions and the direction of this country....and the DNC is trying to unring that bell. We are already past that point. For them to suppress not just the man but the ideas is showing their true colors. They don't want the change that he's talking about. However they are selling the long term sustainability of their party short for the sake of having Hillary as their nominee. This momentum isn't going anywhere. In 4 years you'll be pointing to this group as the progressive tea party. The best thing the DNC could do it try to harness it.

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225. "RE: Bernie has made a lot of people realize that "
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>they are NOT Democrats. At most they are Democratic
>Socialists/Progressives/Independents who were Democrats in
>name only.


Nah...What Bernie is doing is selling false hopes to his followers. I'm not talking about the hope of seeing better health care, wages, and fixing a out of control higher educational system that keeps young adults in debt...That all needs to be pushed for..

I'm talking about hope that he can win this election....

Sanders is basically doing the same thing that Trump did....Whenever Cruz would out-mobilize or use the system better than Trump, dude would turn around and scream THE SYSTEM IS FIXED....THAT'S THE ONLY REASON CRUZ WON...But such comments didn't truly hurt the Republican Party because its voters are reaching out to a largely white base who agree with Trump's bullshit message...

But flip that around to the Democratic primary and u have trouble. Bernie knows he's going to lose. And yet, even after the violent fiasco in Nevada he gets onstage claiming that he will win the nomination and that he is the only hope for the Democratic party....He's not being truthful to his followers...

Even S.E. Cupp, a Republican, called dude out in amazement.... How can u say you are going to unite the party when u r telling your followers that A) I'm the ONLY person who will wave the progressive flag and B) I'm only losing because the system is rigged?

I was always in the camp that believed that Bernie would do the right thing and play the long game given that this will come down to a fight against a Trump led Republican Party. But the more and more as this drags on it's clear that Bernie is looking to play the role of Nader, the spoiler...

The damage may already be done....

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217. "RE: bruh, that isn't Bernie fault. People don't like the establishment"
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Oh...Here's another message a Bernie Bro left on the voice mail of Roberta Lange, who oversaw the Nevada delegates....Remember, it's all fun and games...Right?

“Hey bitch. . . We know where you live. Where you work. Where you eat. Where your kids go to school/grandkids. . . Prepare for hell.”....

Fun times....

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218. "How do we know it was a Bernie Bros?"
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Did all they have to do is say Bernie on the message? How do we know this? Why hasn't this person been found and arrested?

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220. "RE: How do we know it was a Bernie Bros?"
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Because folks who referred to themselves Bernie supporters leaked the woman's number....This was done right after the Nevada debacle....And Bernie supporters started emailing and calling that lady...Very specific threats connected to the Nevada delegate count....

Of course it was Sanders supporters....This is not some grand conspiracy...This is not a bunch of Trump fans making mischief...Or Hillary STANS trying to make Bernie out to be the bad guys by playing the roles of Bernie Bros....It is what it is...

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221. "We don't know who"
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Until we have some arrests then you cannot say who. I'm not calling conspiracy, I'm saying that we don't have anything but peoples words. I'm not gonna demonize anyone off of that pretense. If it were the other way around I couldn't call it that way either if Clinton supporters were doing foul stuff...

actually, Bernie said folks were shooting at his campaign office when he campaigned there... no one said a word. We didn't jump to any conclusions either.

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222. "RE: We don't know who"
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Come on, dog...It happened minutes after the Nevada incident....This is not rocket science....

Threatening to kidnap and murder people's kids...Shit, wild...

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223. "Again... we don't know who"
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when there is proof to the contrary then we'll deal with it. Until then, it's an unsubstantiated claim. Remember, you got Correct The Record Trolls out there putting pedophilia and beastiality on facebook just to spite Bernie's support. Oh, you thought we forgot?

We don't have a face to place on this one so ionno. Can only say that we don't condone it.

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178. "no doubt. "
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I've BEEN saying he could cut the delagate lead to about 100 heading into the convention, but we will see. One step at a time.

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162. "Will Megan Kelly go in tonight or give dude a soap box to clean up his "
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image?

It's a big moment for both of them. I think Megan Kelly wants to go mainstream and her contract is up so I think she has good incentives to go in.


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168. "I have a feeling it's much ado about nothing"
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Trump is being covered like he's already the president lol.

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173. "Either way....Trump wins."
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Again.

  

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177. "RE: Either way....Trump wins."
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>Again.

Trump could def. win if Bernie gets amped and decides to run as an independent...At this rate, I'm not putting anything past him given how his folks are wilding out....

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193. "If you want to say Bernie's contingent is wild"
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I can argue that it's due to Hillary's folks being even more wild by not adopting any of his platform. Because the numbers skew your way slightly doesn't mean you make all the rules. That's what discourse is all about. Hillary, I'm sure, didn't "object" to SoS when she lost to Obama. Why can't she adopt some of the platform? I'd be more ok with that.

If she doesn't then she's alienating about half the party and Independents who won't side with Democrats if she is the nominee. I think you believe that if Bernie endorses her that this will all subside but from what I've seen, people will just stay home or vote other. Do you think that would help the Democrats cause?

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195. "Hillary is a weak candidate, extremely unlikable"
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lucky for her Trump did her a solid and won the nomination so she should be good to go.

but Dems had to know Hillary would struggle due to how awful she is at this and they had to know the Clintons are HATED by a lot of independents and Dems let alone repubs.

They can cry about Bernie supporters not voting for her but they have ever right to stay home or write in if they choose.

not sure why the whine over this shit like Hillary is Obama with titties...

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197. "RE: If you want to say Bernie's contingent is wild"
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>I can argue that it's due to Hillary's folks being even more
>wild by not adopting any of his platform.

Huh..?

Clinton has been adopting Bernie's platform....Adopting his populist voice, etc...I mean, she's against TPP now...That was Bernie all day...

The truth is any politician that is up by 3 million in votes is not beholden to their political rival...In any other election year Bernie would have already dropped out of the race....And if Bernie was the one kicking Clinton's ass I would be saying the same shit...

But this is a year in which Trump is the Republican nominee. So yeah, this is wacky as fuck...And Bernie's followers acting like he has a path to the nomination is part of that craziness.....

Bernie needs to let it be known that he's still in the race to make sure he has a seat at the table. Instead, he's selling a dream that he can win over delegates and come out on top to his supporters...And that delusional dream could end up hurting the Democrats in the election....

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209. "I like how you keep touting "she's up 3 million votes""
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That's not 100% true since that doesn't take into account the caucuses. Also, how is she doing with independents? Does that factor into your thinking?

Also, do you think she's going to get better in the polls? She's losing ground fast and could be surpassed when the next round of polls come out.

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213. "RE: I like how you keep touting &quot;she's up 3 million votes&quot;"
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>That's not 100% true since that doesn't take into account the
>caucuses. Also, how is she doing with independents? Does that
>factor into your thinking?
>
>Also, do you think she's going to get better in the polls?
>She's losing ground fast and could be surpassed when the next
>round of polls come out.

She's beating Sanders by a wide margin....That can't be disputed...And caucus numbers in terms of voters are VERY small...It's peanuts....Doesn't even make a dent into ol girl's margin....

At this moment Clinton leads Bernie by OVER 3 million hard count votes and 94 percent of the delegates....Her insurmountable lead is thus that Clinton could lose every race from here on out and still be the across the board nominee....

The only reason Clinton has not been more vocal about Bernie dropping out is because the Democratic party doesn't want to upset Bernie's followers. No one wants to see what happened in Nevada happen at the Democratic Convention happen. They don't want to unleash that chaos....

But sooner or later Bernie has to drop out and get a seat at the table.

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226. "There goes 3 million again (caucuses? election fraud? MSM?)"
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He's not dropping out. That's pretty clear. You can get that out of your head now. He's been clear that he won't do that.

Now, Hillary is a flawed candidate in that she does not poll well versus Trump. Her numbers are actually trending downward as we move along in the primaries. That's clear.

She has a couple of investigations going on against her with the FBI looking into some criminal activities that by all available evidence looks like she's going to be recommended for indictment. She may actually be indicted by the DOJ, if breaking the law is in fact treated equally. That's clear.(http://thompsontimeline.com/The_Clinton_Email_Scandal_Timeline).

Hillary was "given" a 500+ superdelegate lead superficially before the races began and that number has been attached to her delegate count since the beginning. It's been touted as bad journalism from various outlets yet the MSM has been adding it to her totals throughout. This is disingenuous and putting the cart before the horse politically. If these delegates perform their duty at the DNC then there's an argument he could overtake Hillary on the floor because he's a better candidate in almost any conceivable way.

Hillary isn't doing too well with Independents and stands to do terribly with them in a general election setting. Bernie may well give her his endorsement, but the Bernie or Bust crowd look to either stay home or vote anyone but her. Hillary's supporters just don't want Trump and would vote for Bernie in higher numbers. Hell, even republicans would vote for Bernie over Trump because they can't stand Trump or Hillary. If we get a low voter turnout because folks aren't motivated from Hillary's platform or her retread vibe then that bodes very well for Trump.

These arguments stand.

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227. "I was more referring to the Megyn Kelly interview itself."
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Trump 'wins' this situation whether he goes after her or whether he's cordial. I think he understands that the actual direction he'll take it in is less important than the overall narrative/framework.

He's controlling the narrative and as long as he's doing that...he's winning.



  

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175. "long as he doesn't call her a cunt they'll say he's being presidential"
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more of this phony "pivot"/party unity narrative

people will fall for it too

  

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192. "plz tell me this shit is over when Bernie loses in KY & OR tonight"
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198. "he's not losing Oregon"
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Clinton pulled out and went heavy in KY.

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199. "we'll see"
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its a closed primary
and she was up 15 pts a week ago

  

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208. "Oh, didn't know it was closed but Oregon is wacky as shit"
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204. "it's been over since NY"
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This is just political theatre at this point
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205. "RE: it's been over since NY"
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>This is just political theatre at this point


It's dangerous political theater....

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207. "Sure it has ::smirks::"
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lol

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210. "I think he'll win both. And yeah, it's already over"
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at least if we're talking his chances of being the nominee. that's been over

he's fighting for leverage at this point

  

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214. "RE: I think he'll win both. And yeah, it's already over"
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He's going to lose Kentucky and win in a squeaker in Oregon....

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215. "You could be right. i feel like coal could do her in again"
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it's more favorable to her than WV, so that's just a gut feeling

  

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224. "Edit: win Oregon, lose Kentucky in a squeaker"
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228. "the rest of this primary is going"
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to be UGLY.

Hillary will be clinging to victories in Kentucky by .5 points, and Guam.

Bernie is about to sweep the rest of the states. I think he could do Washington numbers in Cali. He's got a couple weeks to make a dent. Fuego!

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229. "super UGLY... Trump is about to shit all over the Clintons sexual histo..."
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and how Hillary helped cover up Bills sexual accusations by ruining women's lives.

gotdamn this is going to be WWE mid cage match dirty

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230. "If only..."
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there was someone who is, as Ralph Nader has said, "scandal proof". If only there was someone that people actually liked. I guess we have to go with the candidate the most people don't like and has an FBI investigation going on that could blow that person out of the water any day. ::sigh::

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235. "If only."
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Sadly there isn't.

The only other candidate running would have been MUCH easier to attack. Communism and pedophilia would have only been the start.

  

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256. "What else do they have?"
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There is no pedophilia and communism isn't even a word he's using... it's (democratic) socialism. Say it with me.

If that's all they have then I'm happy with it. What about the FBI and the emails/server? Impropriety with the Clinton Foundation? Bill flying with a known pedophile/sex offender? Constant scandals from the past that come back to haunt(Monica/Blue Dress)? Benghazi? These can be hammered all day looooong... and he would be justified in doing so. Do you know how much footage they have to use on the 24/7 networks? Plenty until the election.

Then we got Bernie... they gotta go back to before the cassette tape to drench up much of nothing. The man has been in politics for 35 years. What they got?

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280. "They don't need to have anything. That's the point. "
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They don't have anything on Hillary either.

>There is no pedophilia and communism isn't even a word he's
>using... it's (democratic) socialism. Say it with me.

The words that *Bernie* chooses to use are irrelevant. Trump uses the word communism, and it works. The typical general election voter does not care about the distinction between communism and socialism. And they care even less about the distinction between socialism and "democratic socialism." Remember how much trouble Obama got in (in the middle of a TRUE wave of popular support) over the fact that he used the words "redistribution of wealth" responding to a hypothetical question in a radio interview twenty years before? That's the kind of thing that eventually fueled the Tea Party.

Of course there's no pedophilia. But there's also nothing to Benghazi, the email server, Clinton Foundation "impropriety", whitewater, "filegate", "travelgate." You've fallen for the okey-doke on the Clintons because it's a story you want to believe, and as a result you're missing the fact that they'd apply exactly the same okey-doke to Bernie. Manufactured scandals are standard operating procedure from Republicans these days, and Bernie is just as easy a target as the Clintons. Easier, in fact, because they haven't cried wolf on him yet.

  

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281. "RE: They don't need to have anything. That's the point. "
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>Of course there's no pedophilia. But there's also nothing to
>Benghazi, the email server, Clinton Foundation "impropriety",
>whitewater, "filegate", "travelgate." You've fallen for the
>okey-doke on the Clintons because it's a story you want to
>believe, and as a result you're missing the fact that they'd
>apply exactly the same okey-doke to Bernie. Manufactured
>scandals are standard operating procedure from Republicans
>these days, and Bernie is just as easy a target as the
>Clintons. Easier, in fact, because they haven't cried wolf on
>him yet.


This^^^^^

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283. "Is the FBI investigating Hillary?"
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Why are they investigating her?

Can you answer that, Strav?

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231. "RE: super UGLY... Trump is about to shit all over the Clintons sexual h..."
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>and how Hillary helped cover up Bills sexual accusations by
>ruining women's lives.
>
>gotdamn this is going to be WWE mid cage match dirty


Yep...the problem though? It can hit back at Trump several ways..

1. He's already been getting push back from women (remember Trump is under water when it comes to women...73 percent view him unfavorable, a record high that we have never seen in politics) who take offense to hm connecting Hillary to her husband being a horn dog....They will see this as a: OH, U BLAMING A WOMAN FOR FOR HER HUSBAND'S CHEATING ASS WAYS....FUCK OUTTA HERE...

2. For much of the public, Clinton's scandalous behavior with women is already known. But u know what's not really known to the general public? Trump's alleged rape of his wife Ivanka (who stated in court that her husband assaulted her)...THIS is just one of the stories that will def. become campaign ad fodder and add on the already historically low numbers Trump has with women....)

The only thing Clinton should be worried about is Bill's past business affiliation with Jeffrey Epstein, a man who is now a registered sex offender. THAT will make some noise because it's "new"....

But again, Trump has so many skeletons in his closet that he may be in danger of being cut to political death by his own glass house....

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232. "no, that's how YOU want it to play out but nah..."
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this is going to highlight Hillary dragging female victims through the mud... a different angle and it will definitely hurt her.

Trump is Teflon tho... no one is going to be shocked by shit he said or did in the past. Sorry but dude is on some Hall Pass shit with America right now.

it's going to be ugly on both sides but I have a feeling Trump will shrug and repeat the same shit over and over and over again and it will stick because for some odd reason Dems do a bad job sticking to a few issues and pounding it into voters heads.

no one will care about Bills ties to Epstein. I doubt that catches on with anyone besides Fox News.


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234. "RE: no, that's how YOU want it to play out but nah..."
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>this is going to highlight Hillary dragging female victims
>through the mud... a different angle and it will definitely
>hurt her.


Actually, I'm going by the polls, homie...Not how I want it.....I don't know if u know, but this tactic has already been tried on H. Clinton. Remember her Senate race in New York. Her opponent tried the same exact thing. And women viewed it as an insult. Plus, women have been through that STAND BY YOUR MAN shit. So they understand. What they won't understand is a dude who has called women bimbos, hit on them at work, called them stupid, and raping his wife (from Ivanka's lips) claiming another man is a pig and that the man's wife is responsible for HIS cheating....

Again...73 percent. That's Trump's unfavorables with WOMEN. The biggest problem for dude is Republican women in the suburbs are looking at dude with a screw face....In a Republican primary Trump had it easy...But if Republican women are split (and again, this is from the polls...THEY ARE INDEED SPLIT ON TRUMP) then it's rock-a-by-baby....


>Trump is Teflon tho... no one is going to be shocked by shit
>he said or did in the past. Sorry but dude is on some Hall
>Pass shit with America right now.

No...Trump's not Teflon....lol

Trump's only Teflon with the Republican base. They wouldn't care if dude shot his wife in the head and pissed on her....And remember, Republicans rarely brought up the real dirt on him out of fear that they would turn off the Republican base. Clinton will have no such problem...The general public is not the Republican base....

Just saying...


>it's going to be ugly on both sides but I have a feeling Trump
>will shrug and repeat the same shit over and over and over
>again and it will stick because for some odd reason Dems do a
>bad job sticking to a few issues and pounding it into voters
>heads.
>
>no one will care about Bills ties to Epstein. I doubt that
>catches on with anyone besides Fox News.

Nah Legs...THAT'S dangerous. Because Bill was flying on Epstein's plane...SEVERAL TIMES. He was hanging out with Epstein....No one cares about Monica Lewinsky....That is literally history book fodder. After that, Clinton's positives amongst the people went through the roof....

What matters in this election is NEW OPPO INFO....News that the general public really have not been hip to....

Yep, it's going to get nasty between Hillary and Trump....But if Trump can't grow his voting block beyond the base (and it's looking like that's the case already) he will be wiped off the map...

Like I said, the only thing that can stop a Clinton win is how Bernie plays out his exit. If he turns the Convention into chaos, Trump will def. have a chance...

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236. "SMH"
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You don't think Cruz et al have exhausted all those avenues? They're the ones who roll in the mud. And there's no way in hell they wouldn't take advantage of a Trump scandal in order to not turn off his base. They'd just find a way to leak it. There will not be a scandal that takes him down. And legs is right. Hillary will pay HUGE consequences for the smallest of scandals. Trump won't.


In regards to the alleged rape....Ivanka herself has already downplayed it...she said that she didn't want her characterization to be taken 'literally' or in 'the criminal sense'. And this:

Donald and I are the best of friends and together have raised three children that we love and are very proud of. I have nothing but fondness for Donald and wish him the best of luck on his campaign.

The Trump cupboard is bare. The only stuff you'll find in there will either be hilarious while not hurting him (ie the phone calls pretending to be someone else) or stuff that backfires and actually helps him.

In terms of scandal...what you're saying about Trump is much more true in relation to Hillary. She's the one who ran against an opponent unwilling to be opportunistic about this type of stuff. Like the 'ruining of rape victim's lives' thing. Bernie wasn't gonna go there. But Trump will.

  

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238. "RE: SMH"
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>You don't think Cruz et al have exhausted all those avenues?
>They're the ones who roll in the mud. And there's no way in
>hell they wouldn't take advantage of a Trump scandal in order
>to not turn off his base. They'd just find a way to leak it.
>There will not be a scandal that takes him down. And legs is
>right. Hillary will pay HUGE consequences for the smallest of
>scandals. Trump won't.


No. Cruz pulled out the big guns too late....Remember how Cruz was all buddy-buddy with Trump? How he was on that I LIKE DONALD TRUMP? By the time he turned around and started unloading on Trump it was too late....And remember, it was mainly only Cruz, THE MOST HATED MAN AMONGST HIS OWN PARTY saying these things. It basically amounted to a thief calling out a con artist...It had no effect because the messenger had no high ground.....


>
>In regards to the alleged rape....Ivanka herself has already
>downplayed it...she said that she didn't want her
>characterization to be taken 'literally' or in 'the criminal
>sense'. And this:

Yeah...that's not going to work. Court documents are a powerful thing. And this is not about painting Trump as a criminal...This is about showing his horrific treatment of women that even extended to his wife....IT GOES WITH TRUMP'S ANTI-WOMEN narrative...

>Donald and I are the best of friends and together have raised
>three children that we love and are very proud of. I have
>nothing but fondness for Donald and wish him the best of luck
>on his campaign.


>The Trump cupboard is bare. The only stuff you'll find in
>there will either be hilarious while not hurting him (ie the
>phone calls pretending to be someone else) or stuff that
>backfires and actually helps him.
>
>In terms of scandal...what you're saying about Trump is much
>more true in relation to Hillary. She's the one who ran
>against an opponent unwilling to be opportunistic about this
>type of stuff. Like the 'ruining of rape victim's lives'
>thing. Bernie wasn't gonna go there. But Trump will.

Trump skated because he was in a political primary. They came at him too late because no one knew he was going to go this far. Cruz and Jeb were basically the only two who went hard at him with the women issue....And u notice there was no talk of his bad economic policies or his nuclear war talk (except from Lindsey and Jeb, who are disliked by the base)...

The general public is what really matters in general politics, Denny. These are the folks that don't follow political news headlines and early debates....That Obama coalition (blacks, Latinos, women, Asians) will be out in force against Trump....

The only thing that can stop Clinton at this point is Democratic disunity....Bernie has to turn it down. If he doesn't he will Nader this race....

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239. "He's gonna 'Nader' the race without even going third party?"
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I mean....why have a primary at all? It only destroys unity. Nominees should be appointed without voting.

  

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244. "RE: He's gonna 'Nader' the race without even going third party?"
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>I mean....why have a primary at all? It only destroys unity.
> Nominees should be appointed without voting.


U r asking questions above my pay grade...lol

I'm only talking about what I see and read and hear from my political folk....No revelations or hard to get news...

Bernie has turned on his passionate branch of voters. But I can easily envision the same element that just days ago was throwing chairs and fighting in Nevada doing the same in Philly during its Democratic Convention...

That's my fear....Turning the Democratic Convention into a '68 fiasco ....THAT will basically give Trump an easier path to the Presidency....

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233. "Donald Trump Is Not Expanding the GOP (Politico Swipe) "
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I'll say it again...The only thing that will stop a Democratic win in the general is rising infighting...If Bernie doesn't cool things down it's going to be a shit show. Trump is the most flawed candidate in political history...Dude makes Clinton's unfavorables (45 to 50 plus percent among men...) look like child's play...This should be easy....

SHOULD BE.....But u know....

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Excerpt from Politico piece....

"While Trump’s insurgent candidacy has spurred record-setting Republican primary turnout in state after state, the early statistics show that the vast majority of those voters aren’t actually new to voting or to the Republican Party, but rather they are reliable past voters in general elections. They are only casting ballots in a Republican primary for the first time."

And this about Florida....

"And in Florida, one of the nation’s most critical battleground states, Republican primary turnout jumped by 40 percent from 2012 to 2016. But only 6 percent of those who voted in the 2016 Republican primary did not vote in either of the 2012 or 2014 general elections and were registered to vote then. That amounts to a lot of people—about 142,000—but it’s a fractional share of a populous and fast-growing state that has added almost 1 million voters to the rolls since the beginning of 2012."

And this...

“It’s very hard to say that anything that happens in the primary season has that much of an impact on the general,” said Drew DeSilver of the Pew Research Center, who has studied presidential voter turnout. That is largely because primary season vote totals account for only a fraction of what a winning candidate needs in November. So while Trump has amassed a record number of primary votes—even in a 17-candidate field and with big states like California and New Jersey still to vote—his final figure is likely to represent about 1 in 4 of the votes he’ll require in the fall. Four years ago, President Obama won reelection with 65.9 million votes; Trump has accumulated about 11 million votes so far in the primary."


Read the entire piece here: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/05/donald-trump-2016-polling-turnout-early-voting-data-213897#ixzz491VUJBLT

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237. "Neo-liberals need to win back progressives."
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Prepping the 'Bernie is why Trump became president' angle is NOT a good start in doing that.

Progressives are pushing back against neo-liberalism which has been driving the democratic party to the right for close to 40 years now. Leftists in America need a party that has leftist ideals.

  

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241. "RE: Neo-liberals need to win back progressives."
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>Prepping the 'Bernie is why Trump became president' angle is
>NOT a good start in doing that.
>
>Progressives are pushing back against neo-liberalism which has
>been driving the democratic party to the right for close to 40
>years now. Leftists in America need a party that has leftist
>ideals.


Bernie is the only thing that will put Trump in office...

The voters that Bernie is turning on are 1st time voters (who will be needed in the future, but not so much in this election) and people who never voted Democrat...These folks were always on the Green Party/3rd party persuasion...

Clinton does not need them NOW....But the the Democratic Party does for the future...

The problem though has less to do with blaming Bernie and more about the effect his selling dreams to his followers can deeply hurt the Democratic Party this year...

Basically, if u (Bernie) continue to say that u r the ONLY Democrat who waves the flag for Liberal, that your Democratic opponent, who is trouncing you with the raw numbers, is not a real Liberal AND that every loss should be viewed under guise of a FIX, then u r setting up a powder keg....Because when Bernie bows out the race in June how will he convince his passionate followers NOT to come to the Convention and kick up dust?

Fuck it...Dude from Talking Points Memo, a hardcore Liberal, articulates it better than me....Check it out:


It Comes From the Very Top
ByJOSH MARSHALLPublishedMAY 18, 2016, 12:10 AM EDT

For months I'd thought and written that Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver was the key driver of toxicity in the the Democratic primary race. Weaver has been highly visible on television, far more than campaign managers tend to be. He's also been the one constantly upping the tension, pressing the acrimony and unrealism of the campaign as Sanders actual chances of winning dwindled.

But now I realize I had that wrong.

Actually, I didn't realize it. People who know told me. Over the last several weeks I've had a series of conversations with multiple highly knowledgable, highly placed people. Perhaps it's coming from Weaver too. The two guys have been together for decades. But the 'burn it down' attitude, the upping the ante, everything we saw in that statement released today by the campaign seems to be coming from Sanders himself. Right from the top.

This should have been obvious to me. The tone and tenor of a campaign always come from the top. It wasn't obvious to me until now.

This might be because he's temperamentally like that. There's some evidence for that. It may also be that, like many other presidential contenders, once you get close it is simply impossible to let go. I don't know which it is. That would only be my speculation. But this is coming from Bernie Sanders. It's not Weaver. It's not driven by people around him. It's right from him. And what I understand from knowledgable sources is that in the last few weeks anyone who was trying to rein it in has basically stopped trying and just decided to let Bernie be Bernie.

Sanders speech tonight was right in line with his statement out this afternoon. He identified the Democratic party as an essentially corrupt, moribund institution which is now on notice that it must let 'the people' in. What about the coalitions Barack Obama built in 2008 and 2012, the biggest and most diverse presidential coalitions ever constructed?

Sanders narrative today has essentially been that he is political legitimacy. The Democratic party needs to realize that. This, as I said earlier, is the problem with lying to your supporters. Sanders is telling his supporters that he can still win, which he can't. He's suggesting that the win is being stolen by a corrupt establishment, an impression which will be validated when his phony prediction turns out not to be true. Lying like this sets you up for stuff like happened over the weekend in Nevada.

As I said, it all comes from the very top.

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240. "Has any Bernie folks said to themselve, "Hmm, my candidate can't beat"
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Hillary Clinton in the primaries, maybe I was wrong about his ability to change the system and lead the country in the right direction?"


I mean I get it that the Democratic system was stacked against him, but isn't the WHOLE system stacked against change? If he couldn't make it happen within the party, how could he make it happen on a national level?



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242. "Nope."
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This is my internal dialogue.

Sheesh...I didn't think Bernie had even a miniscule chance running on a democratic socialist platform. But he did so much better than I thought! Maybe America is ready to start moving back left after 40 years of continuous shift towards the right. They really need that because income disparity, the prison system and the social safety net are way behind the rest of the developed world. I really hope that Bernie's run is the beginning of some new paradigms and trends in American politics!

  

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243. "Bruh, reality isn't a commodity Sanders people trade in. "
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258. "keep making that sausage bruh, we get it. YOU good. "
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Bernie's platform isn't about the people who got it good. It's about the people who are struggling and targeted to be in poverty and without opportunities for the benefits of a few. You not for his issues, then fine. But it is NOT unrealistic. The reality of the situation is that nearly every other major country has his platform AND THEN SOME. He never said we can wish it into existence, but it would be a drastic change and undertaking (hence: the revolution).

There is nothing idealistic or unrealistic about his platform. Hillary just says a dilluted version of his platform and aims lower and yall call that "experience". She literally is selling us short, and the DNC is shutting out the voices and enthusiasm of these new voters/old citizens who desperately need this change.

but we hear yall. You don't need change and are good. You made it.

Everybody didn't make it.

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245. "hasn't he won 20 states?"
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so, why would bernie folks be saying that to themselves?

  

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246. "RE: hasn't he won 20 states?"
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>so, why would bernie folks be saying that to themselves?


Because he can't win?

Because he's even down more votes than Hillary Clinton was against Obama?

Because he can't win in states that are multi-cultural in terms of demographics?

Because when u get trounced in New York, one of the most liberal states in the US, u have kind of lost all credence to being the face of the party?

Because he would have to beat Clinton by more than 34 percent in the remaining primaries, which won;t happen?

At this point Bernie is in the race to get his platform heard at the convention, which is fine by me...But if he doesn't turn it down this shit can turn quite dangerous for the Democratic Party....

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247. "RE: hasn't he won 20 states?"
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>Because he can't win?

his statement was Bernie isn't beating Hillary in primaries. that's not true.

>Because he's even down more votes than Hillary Clinton was
>against Obama?

counted votes? yes. however, lets not pretend that a SHITLOAD of people who'd vote Bernie couldn't vote in the primaries because of our dumb ass primary system.

>
>Because he can't win in states that are multi-cultural in
>terms of demographics?

i don't even know what that means? is there a multi-cultural state when 80% of america is white?

>Because when u get trounced in New York, one of the most
>liberal states in the US, u have kind of lost all credence to
>being the face of the party?

again, when 3 million new york state residents couldn't vote because they weren't registered to a particular party, and with questions about voting within certain city boroughs, this is the leg you want to stand on for "proof."

>Because he would have to beat Clinton by more than 34 percent
>in the remaining primaries, which won;t happen?

i agree that won't happen.

  

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248. "RE: hasn't he won 20 states?"
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>counted votes? yes. however, lets not pretend that a SHITLOAD
>of people who'd vote Bernie couldn't vote in the primaries
>because of our dumb ass primary system.


This is the danger I'm talking about....When Bernie wins it's because he's a virtuous protector of Liberal ideals...When he loses, THE FIX WAS IN...CLOSED PRIMARIES ARE UN-AMERICAN, yada, yada...

The only thing I need to see from Bernie right now is to start telling the truth to his supporters. Wind this thing down before it gets REALLY mess...

Or maybe he should just read this piece....

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Sanders Needs to Talk Down His Supporters and Explain That Nothing Is Being ‘Stolen’

By Ed Kilgore

Bernie Sanders gained a split decision in Tuesday's presidential primaries, losing to Hillary Clinton by an eyelash in Kentucky and beating her by a more comfortable but reasonably close margin in Oregon. The net results won't significantly reduce Clinton's lead in pledged delegates, leaving Sanders with a nearly impossible task of winning the June 7 primaries by huge margins to overtake her. But again, it remains unclear whether Sanders will pack it in if he loses pledged delegates. Indeed, in a speech Tuesday night in California, Sanders simultaneously discussed the tough odds against winning a majority of pledged delegates and promised to "take the fight to Philadelphia," apparently no matter what.

This ambiguous situation needs to be understood in the context of what happened this weekend in Nevada, where an ugly and fractious scene emerged at a state convention where four delegates to the Democratic National Convention were being selected. Veteran Nevada political reporter Jon Ralston watched it all and came away convinced the Sanders campaign had deliberately fed supporters spurious grievances over the rules in order to rationalize what was actually a fair-and-square Clinton victory in organizing for the event, which after all, simply confirmed Clinton's earlier win in the February caucuses.

By the time hotel security shut down the event late Saturday evening, the Sanders delegates had hurled ugly epithets at Clinton surrogate Barbara Boxer and used a sign to block her from being shown on big screens; they had screamed vulgarities at state chairwoman Roberta Lange, who later received death threats after Sanders sympathizers posted her cellphone number and home address online; and they threw chairs at the stage as they rushed forward to try to take control of a convention they had lost, just as Sanders was defeated at the February 20 caucus by Clinton in a decisive result.

Ralston suspects this atmosphere of paranoia and self-pity could easily carry over to the national convention, assuming Clinton arrives there as the presumptive nominee via a narrow lead in pledged delegates. I'd say that's a reasonable suspicion if Bernie Sanders and his campaign operatives continue to insinuate that the nomination is being stolen from him. The Nevada Democratic Party agreed in a letter to the DNC after Saturday's near-riot:

We believe, unfortunately, that the tactics and behavior on display here in Nevada are harbingers of things to come as Democrats gather in Philadelphia in July for our National Convention. We write to alert you to what we perceive as the Sanders Campaign’s penchant for extra-parliamentary behavior — indeed, actual violence — in place of democratic conduct in a convention setting, and furthermore what we can only describe as their encouragement of, and complicity in, a very dangerous atmosphere that ended in chaos and physical threats to fellow Democrats.

And it's not just mainstream media folk and Establishment Democrats who feel this way. Esquire's Charles Pierce, a Sanders supporter, was upset enough about Nevada to urge Sanders to "pack up and go home":

"The Sanders people should know better than to conclude what has been a brilliant and important campaign by turning it into an extended temper tantrum.
I voted for Bernie Sanders ... But if anybody thinks that, somehow, he is having the nomination "stolen" from him, they are idiots."

Nevada aside, consider the three arguments heard most often from the Sanders campaign against the unfair conditions it has endured.

The first is that DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz conspired to limit opportunities for candidate debates. That's probably true. But there's no particular evidence these events disproportionately benefited Sanders, who had no trouble getting to the starting gate with high name ID and plenty of support (viz the "virtual tie" in Iowa and his big win in New Hampshire). And she was forced to add some debates. Don't know about you, but I feel like I heard from the candidates enough.

The second is that closed primaries (aggravated in some states by very early deadlines for changing party affiliation) disenfranchised many Sanders supporters. Let's be clear about this: None of the primary participation rules were set after the Clinton-Sanders competition emerged. States with closed primaries have for the most part always had closed primaries. Until this cycle, moreover, it was typically Democratic progressives, not "centrist" Democrats, who favored closed primaries as a way to elevate the influence of "base" as opposed to "swing" voters. In no way, shape or form were these rules set to thwart Sanders or candidates like him.

And the third is that superdelegates (who at present overwhelmingly support Clinton) have tilted the playing field away from the people-powered Sanders all along. But Bernie's people have a "clean hands" problem in making this argument, since they are simultaneously appealing to superdelegates to be prepared to deny the nomination to the pledged delegate winner (almost certainly Clinton) based on elites' superior understanding of electability criteria. Beyond that, this is the ninth presidential cycle in which Democrats have given superdelegates a role in the nominating process. It's not like it's a nasty surprise sprung on the poor Sanders campaign at the last minute to seize the nomination for Clinton.

But even if these arguments for a big Bernie grievance are pretty empty, you can appreciate that the close nature of this year's nominating contest makes it easy to assume something fishy happened, particularly if you begin with the assumption, as some Sanders supporters do, that your opponents are unprincipled corporate shills. It's like Florida 2000: In a race this close, you can blame the outcome on anything that makes you mad, from Joe Lieberman's support for counting overseas military ballots to Ralph Nader's presence on the ballot to dozens of single events like the Brooks Brothers Riot.

Unfortunately, in a statement Sanders issued after the torrent of criticism over his supporters' behavior in Nevada, the candidate was defiant, perfunctorily disclaiming violence and identifying closed primaries with dependence on corrupt big money cash. Prominent progressive blogger Josh Marshall read it and commented on Twitter:


For weeks I've thought and written that Sanders Camp Manager Jeff Weaver was the driver of toxicity in this race. But what I've heard in a series of conversations over recent weeks w/highly knowledgable people forced me to conclude that I had that wrong. It may be him too. But the burn it down attitude, the upping the ante, everything we saw in the statement released today by the campaign seems to be coming from Sanders himself. Right from the top.

One thing is largely indisputable: Bernie Sanders himself could help clear the air by informing his supporters that while there are many things about the Democratic nomination process that ought to be changed, no one has "stolen" the nomination from him or from them. Perhaps a thousand small things gave Hillary Clinton an "unfair" advantage in this contest, but they were mostly baked into the cake, not contrived to throw cold water on the Bern. And the best step Sanders' supporters could take to promote their long-term interests in the Democratic Party would be to get a grip before they wind up helping Donald Trump win the presidency. And Bernie Sanders himself has a responsibility to talk his devoted followers off the ledge.

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253. "closed primaries ARE un-American."
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i'm not one of those people screaming about shit being stolen. i mean, in some cases it has happened, some not, but i'm not whining about it. my biggest reaction is that it's a fucking tragedy of this so-called democracy we live in. you shouldn't have to jump through hoops to vote, and you shouldn't have to declare some bullshit allegiance either.

that said, it's on the potential voter to know how to have their vote matter as it stands now.

that still doesn't negate the fact that * IF * the primaries were open the balance of voting would change drastically.

  

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257. "RE: closed primaries ARE un-American."
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Again...this is factually not true...At all....

As the same writer notes of the history of Closed Primaries....

"The second is that closed primaries (aggravated in some states by very early deadlines for changing party affiliation) disenfranchised many Sanders supporters. Let's be clear about this: None of the primary participation rules were set after the Clinton-Sanders competition emerged. States with closed primaries have for the most part always had closed primaries. Until this cycle, moreover, it was typically Democratic progressives, not "centrist" Democrats, who favored closed primaries as a way to elevate the influence of "base" as opposed to "swing" voters. In no way, shape or form were these rules set to thwart Sanders or candidates like him...."

Basically Uber progressive candidates for years loved Close Primaries because it ensured that Right leaning mischief makers (Republicans) and swing voters were blocked from voting against Liberal ideals.....

It has only been with the emergence of Bernie that we have heard the whole PRIMARIES ARE UN-AMERICAN....lol

And this is coming from someone who was never a Democrat to begin with...The irony is NUTS...

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259. "yeah, you're clearly missing the point or purposely circumventing it."
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264. "RE: yeah, you're clearly missing the point or purposely circumventing it..."
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No....I'm not...

I'm giving u the history of Closed Primaries....It's pretty much black and white....And I'm telling u that Bernie is simply whining and creating a powder keg...

U can't pat yourself on the back with every win and then say the fix is in with every loss....If Bernie keeps this up shit will explode...

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268. "yes you are because already granted you that..."
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the primary system was already set before bernie and that his voters needed to know the rules if they wanted to play the game.

that still doesn't say jack about how voting would turn out with an open primary system. like, you don't think 3 million undeclared NY voters might sway the outcome a bit considering MOST people who vote for Hillary are already declared Dems and most undeclared voters who aren't conservative are voting for Bernie?

no? nothing?

okay fam.

  

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272. "RE: yes you are because already granted you that..."
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>the primary system was already set before bernie and that his
>voters needed to know the rules if they wanted to play the
>game.
>
>that still doesn't say jack about how voting would turn out
>with an open primary system. like, you don't think 3 million
>undeclared NY voters might sway the outcome a bit considering
>MOST people who vote for Hillary are already declared Dems and
>most undeclared voters who aren't conservative are voting for
>Bernie?

Let me say this again....CLOSED PRIMARIES HAVE HISTORICALLY FAVORED UBER PROGRESSIVES CANDIDATES LIKE BERNIE...

The reason why Dems have closed primaries is to prevent what it happening to the Republicans with Trump...Trump, the fake Republican, has basically hijacked the Republican party. He's not a real Republican and he is only in because swing voters and independents and non Republicans voted him in....

Democrats want true believers and Progressives voting early on....Bernie isn't losing because of closed primaries. He's losing because he hasn't been able to extend his reach beyond his young white base.....If blacks and Latinos and older women voted for him at a higher clip then u would def. see Bernie on top....That's another story....

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275. "yeah we're gonna have to stop right here and agree to disagree."
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277. "RE: yeah we're gonna have to stop right here and agree to disagree."
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Agree to disagree that Bernie is losing because he could't expand the black, Latino and older female vote and not because of closed primaries? lol

I guess we will....

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279. "about who closed primaries benefit."
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252. "bruh, Hillary trounced him in southern states"
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this is why she is up 3 million. Why the hell would they drop out tho given how the primaries have been playing out in his favor lately?

This is how politics work.

Not sure why these Hillary folks keep crying about it. They swear they are experts at this too... lol

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261. "how many of them Red states Hillary getting in the General?"
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262. "RE: bruh, Hillary trounced him in southern states"
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She trounced him in southern states, but more importantly she beat Bernie is states where the Obama Coalition was strong and needed to win the general: Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania....

Bernie's wins have been in mostly white progressive states and white southern states....

If a Democratic candidate wins Florida, Ohio, and Penn, that pretty much spells it out for anyone with common sense.....

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269. "bruh, there aren't any white southern states"
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he won out west and in the midwest

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274. "RE: bruh, there aren't any white southern states"
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I'm talking about southern states where the black and Latino population is small, Legs...

Those are the southern states Bernie has performed well in......

It's the reason why people knew right away Bernie could win a state like Missouri (which borders the South), be VERY strong in Kentucky (he lost by a small margin....), but lose in say South Carolina (large black population in the primary...same as Georgia)....

The South though is not the issue...Let's not get tripped up by that...

The issue is that Bernie struggles in almost any state where the demographics mirror the Obama coalition. This is why people are rolling with Clinton as the nominee...Because when u win Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania, that's all she wrote....

Clinton has won damn near all swing states and states needed to win in a general....She lost the Michigan because it was an open primary....

Again...Ohio, Penn, and Florida are the big ones and if Clinton lost those to Bernie I wouldn't be making this post....This is not up for debate, unless u just like to argue...

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265. "C'mon with these:"
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>Because he can't win in states that are multi-cultural in
>terms of demographics?

So, you're saying Trump is going to win the "multi-cultural" states instead because Bernie didn't win them?

>Because when u get trounced in New York, one of the most
>liberal states in the US, u have kind of lost all credence to
>being the face of the party?

So he lost in a state where Hilary served as Senator, and that means he'll lose the state to Trump in the general? That's appears to be what you're saying.

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271. "RE: C'mon with these:"
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>>Because he can't win in states that are multi-cultural in
>>terms of demographics?
>
>So, you're saying Trump is going to win the "multi-cultural"
>states instead because Bernie didn't win them?




No..I'm saying that Hillary has already proven that she should have the nomination by winning the three states u need in a general: Ohio, Florida, Pennsylvania....Trump has nothing to do with THAT part of my argument. I'm talking about the Democratic Primary...Bernie will have to beat Clinton by an average of 35 percent which won't happen. Clinton's team is being polite to your man because they don't want to turn off his voters...

But if he keeps it up then all hell will break lose.....



>>Because when u get trounced in New York, one of the most
>>liberal states in the US, u have kind of lost all credence
>to
>>being the face of the party?

Yes...Face of the Party...As in the Democratic Nominee...

>So he lost in a state where Hilary served as Senator, and that
>means he'll lose the state to Trump in the general? That's
>appears to be what you're saying.

Yes...He also lost in all the states needed to win in a general....Bernie's appeal (young folks and white Liberals) will indeed be needed for the future of the Democratic Party....I'm not worried about that voting block in terms of not coming out in support of Clinton...

I'm more worried about what they will do at the convention....

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250. "You are right. I misspoke. What I meant to say is that Bernie can't bea..."
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HRC is the Democratic primary system to win the Democratic nomination.

You will acknowledge that he has lost that right?


And if so, doesn't that make you question his ability to win the presidency BUT MOREOVER change how the American political system operates?

To put the question another way, if BHO could master the primary system enough to win the nomination and then go on and win the national election BUT couldn't change how Washington operated, shouldn't Bernie supporters question Bernie's promise to change Washington if he couldn't even figure out how to win the Democratic primary system enough to win the nomination (nevermind winning the general election)?





>so, why would bernie folks be saying that to themselves?
>


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255. "nah, cause Obama was also bought and paid for"
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we just didn't want to admit it because we were trying to make history.

and sure, no one expects Bernie to change EVERYTHING but business as usual obviously isn't working out that well or Hillary wouldn't be losing 20 primaries to a guy like Bernie.

Unfortunately we aren't there yet but the numbers are growing.

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270. "But by this logic Bernie's first mistake was going for the democractic"
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party nomination.

if someone thinks the system is corrupt and it's influence is corrupting, How was Bernie Sanders going to win at said system and not be corrupted?

He played by corrupt rules and lost, well what did he expect?



>we just didn't want to admit it because we were trying to
>make history.
>
>and sure, no one expects Bernie to change EVERYTHING but
>business as usual obviously isn't working out that well or
>Hillary wouldn't be losing 20 primaries to a guy like Bernie.
>
>
>Unfortunately we aren't there yet but the numbers are growing.
>


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273. "no, not at all. "
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he had to run as a Democrat to even be seen at all. He hijacked a corrupt system and used it to advance his message. He still could turn and throw his hat in the ring as an Independent because the DNC is ultimately rejecting him and his supporters at this point.

The actual way to see this is that he was in a lose/lose situation and yet is almost winning. He has definitely won the future. His legacy is even more cemented that Hillary's at this point I believe.

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251. "You are right. I misspoke. What I meant to say is that Bernie can't bea..."
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HRC is the Democratic primary system to win the Democratic nomination.

You will acknowledge that he has lost that right?


And if so, doesn't that make you question his ability to win the presidency BUT MOREOVER change how the American political system operates?

To put the question another way, if BHO could master the primary system enough to win the nomination and then go on and win the national election BUT couldn't change how Washington operated, shouldn't Bernie supporters question Bernie's promise to change Washington if he couldn't even figure out how to win the Democratic primary system enough to win the nomination (nevermind winning the general election)?





>so, why would bernie folks be saying that to themselves?
>


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254. "not trying to be a dick but i've addressed all your statements in other ..."
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i just don't feel like typing it all out again.

i'll just say this: we shouldn't give up being aspirational in our politics, whether our aspirations are actually attainable or not.

  

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folks are still going at it at this late in the game when the writing is on the wall.

Folks can't possibly feel the same way in Post #1 as they do in Post #11.

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267. "RE: Yeah, I haven't been following this convo like that lately. I am ju..."
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>folks are still going at it at this late in the game when the
>writing is on the wall.
>
>Folks can't possibly feel the same way in Post #1 as they do
>in Post #11.


Yes...they can...If Bernie is selling them bullshit....

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249. "lmao.. no, that's what a Hillary supporter would think "
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266. "RE: lmao.. no, that's what a Hillary supporter would think "
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Nah,,,this is what Democrats think....As well as some Bernie supporters who have been Dems for years and see's the real fight against the Republicans knowing that Bernie cannot win the primary....

My dude Charles Pierce over at Esquire is probably the biggest Bernie supporter at any mainstream media outlet around....He would routinely go at it with Hill supporters....And even he is calling to an end to the fuckery:

"The Sanders people should know better than to conclude what has been a brilliant and important campaign by turning it into an extended temper tantrum.
I voted for Bernie Sanders ... But if anybody thinks that, somehow, he is having the nomination "stolen" from him, they are idiots."

^^^^This is the issue. Not being a Hil-Bot....

It's Democrats vs. Republicans (Trump).....

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276. "Did Hillary drop out vs Obama? "
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and Hillary voters please stop fucking crying about Bernie voters... some of them won't vote for Hillary just like some Hillary voters didn't vote for Obama.

They don't owe you shit...

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278. "RE: Did Hillary drop out vs Obama? "
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Man...I'm just going to let u get your Hillary Clinton hate on....lol

Whoever is the Democratic nominee gets my vote...It's as simple as that....

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282. "I'm voting for Hillary but I hate her "
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and I hate hearing how Bernie supporters have to vote for her or else...

she is unlikeable, stop trying to force people to bc it's for someone they don't agree with or like.

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