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"Why Bernie Sanders Supporters Should Thank Hillary Clinton..."


  

          

Because she let that crazy old coot run without ever bringing up his old shit.

Link: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/05/bernie_sanders_electability_argument_is_still_a_myth.html

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This Is What a Republican Attack on Bernie Sanders Would Look Like
Sanders’ “superior electability” is still a myth.
By Michelle Goldberg

Over the past year, Bernie Sanders’ supporters have repeatedly criticized the undemocratic role of superdelegates in choosing the Democratic presidential nominee. In February, for example, MoveOn, which had endorsed Sanders the month before, started a petition saying, “Democracy only works when the votes of the people—not the decision of a small number of elites—are what determines the outcome of elections.” The fear, then, was that Sanders would win the most pledged delegates but that Hillary Clinton would use her pull with insiders to trump the popular will.



It is more than a little ironic, then, that Sanders is now urging those same insiders to ignore the intention of the primary electorate—which has given Clinton an edge in both pledged delegates and raw votes—and bequeath the nomination to him instead. In a Washington press conference on Sunday, Sanders, who has no discernible path to a delegate majority, outlined a plan to force a contested convention, where he apparently believes some superdelegates will flip to his side on the basis of electability. “The evidence is extremely clear that I would be the stronger candidate to defeat Trump or any other Republican,” he said. Sanders reiterated this on Monday at a rally in Evansville, Indiana, saying, “We appeal to virtually all the Democrats, but we do a lot better with independents than Secretary Clinton. And I hope the Democrats at the national convention understand that while independents may not be able to vote in certain Democratic primaries, they do vote in the general election.”

I have no idea if Sanders is serious about this superdelegate plan. It might just be a rationale for him to keep fighting until the end of the primaries, garnering delegates that he could leverage to push Clinton and the party leftward at the convention. But if he is serious, then what he is proposing is a presumption based on a falsehood.

The presumption is that there is anything progressive about a plan that asks powerful figures to cast aside an electoral majority built on the choices of women and people of color. The falsehood is that Sanders’ superior electability is, as he asserted on Sunday, “extremely clear.”

It is true, as Sanders pointed out, that polls show him doing better than Clinton against Republicans in November. But it is also true that Clinton has not hit Sanders with a single negative ad. Not one. Initially, her campaign didn’t take him seriously. Later, it couldn’t figure out a way to go after him where he’s weakest—on the flakier parts of his far-left past—without alienating his supporters. A source close to the Clinton campaign tells me that because Sanders has high favorability numbers with Democrats, Clinton would have damaged herself by attacking him, especially since she didn’t have to in order to win. The source points to the New York primary as confirmation of this view, arguing that Sanders hurt himself by going negative on his opponent.

The right, meanwhile, had no incentive to rough up Sanders, a candidate who, by all accounts, Republicans would love to run against in the fall. And the mainstream media often failed to treat Sanders as a plausible contender, which would have entailed a much greater degree of scrutiny than he received. As a result, issues that, fairly or not, would be obsessively scrutinized in a general election have gone almost entirely unexamined.

At this point in 2008, Barack Obama already had to account for his relationship with Jeremiah Wright, who sparked a nationwide epidemic of pearl-clutching over a 2003 sermon in which he excoriated the U.S. for its legacy of racism: “Not God bless America, God damn America.” Hard as it is to remember now, there was a moment when some thought this would doom Obama’s presidential bid, until he delivered his famous speech on race and demonstrated anew his political virtuosity.

Perhaps Sanders is capable of this sort of virtuosity as well. Right now there’s no way of knowing, because there’s been only scattered excavation of Sanders’ radical connections. He has never been asked to account for his relationship with the Trotskyist Socialist Workers Party, for which he served as a presidential elector in 1980. At the time, the party’s platform called for abolishing the U.S. military budget and proclaimed “solidarity” with revolutionary Iran. (This was in the middle of the Iranian hostage crisis.) There’s been little cable news chatter about Sanders’ 1985 trip to Nicaragua, where he reportedly joined a Sandinista rally with a crowd chanting, “Here, there, everywhere/ The Yankee will die.” It would be nice if this were due to a national consensus on the criminal nature of America’s support for the Contras. More likely, the media’s attention has simply been elsewhere.



The Clinton campaign has also ignored Sanders’ youthful sex writings. Republicans are unlikely to be so decorous. Imagine an ad drawing from the old Sanders essay “The Revolution Is Life Versus Death.” First it might quote the candidate mocking taboos on child nudity: “Now, if children go around naked, they are liable to see each others sexual organs, and maybe even touch them. Terrible thing!” Then it would quote him celebrating girls who defy their mothers and have sex with their boyfriends: “The revolution comes … when a girl pushes aside all that her mother has ‘taught’ her and accepts her boyfriends love.” Finally, it would remind viewers that Sanders was one of 14 congressmen to vote against the law establishing the Amber Alert system and one of 15 to vote against an amendment criminalizing computer-generated child pornography. The fact that these votes were cast for entirely principled civil libertarian reasons is, in the context of a general-election attack, beside the point. (It’s also beside the point that lots of people, myself included, have no problem with either child nudity or teenage sex.) It takes no special political insight to see that Republicans will try to make Sanders seem like a sexual weirdo. Will it work? I have no idea, but there’s no shorter route to the frightened lizard brain of the American electorate than dark talk about children and sex.

One could go on and on in this vein. My colleague William Saletan has already written about how support for Sanders’ positions tends to fall apart when people hear the details—particularly if they learn their own taxes would go up. As the nominee, Sanders would have to address his former opposition to public schools and praise for parents who believe that it is “better for their children not to go to school at all than for them to attend a normal type of establishment.” He’d have to explain whether he still feels that sexual repression causes cancer, whether he still opposes the concept of private charity, and whether he still supports the public takeover of the television industry.

One also assumes Republicans would, in keeping with Karl Rove’s playbook, try to hit Sanders where he’s strongest—on issues of financial integrity. They’d probably do it by going after Jane Sanders, who has been accused of trying to defraud the Catholic Church on a land deal she undertook as president of Burlington College. (After being forced out of that job, she received a $200,000 golden parachute.) If you think this can’t blow up, remember that Hillary Clinton never personally profited off of Whitewater, the land deal that became a pretext for endless investigations of her and her husband.

he Sanderistas appear to believe they were treated unfairly, even viciously, in this primary. In fact, they’ve been handled incredibly gingerly. That might end up being to Sanders’ detriment: If we’d spent the past few months chewing over his glaring electoral weaknesses and he was still leading Clinton in head-to-head matchups against the GOP, he might have a case for a contested convention. It would be a cynical, anti-democratic case that contradicts the people-powered rationale of his candidacy, but it wouldn’t be as nonsensical as the argument he’s making now.

It’s understandable that Sanders, like anyone, would be carried away by the experience of hearing tens of thousands of people deliriously chanting his name. Perhaps it seems like the revolution might really be at hand, and thus any means are justified. But it’s not. He’s just losing.




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I come to praise Bernie Sanders, not bury him...
May 04th 2016
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umm, dude ran as a socialist, is this supposed to be juicy info?
May 04th 2016
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dog, no one cares.
May 04th 2016
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If that's all they got...
May 04th 2016
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base.
May 04th 2016
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It's hilarious how blind the Bernie supporters are to his GE weaknesses.
May 04th 2016
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psst...hey...HRC just lost another open primary
May 04th 2016
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      Your point?
May 04th 2016
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      Exactly ^^^
May 04th 2016
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           Yes, then again, that's a totally specious argument.
May 05th 2016
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      RE: psst...hey...HRC just lost another open primary
May 05th 2016
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           Is that your argument for HRC being a stronger GE candidate?
May 05th 2016
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                RE: Is that your argument for HRC being a stronger GE candidate?
May 05th 2016
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i'm baffled he's still n race,
May 04th 2016
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RE: i'm baffled he's still n race,
May 04th 2016
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      this is all fair, my only thing is
May 04th 2016
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           RE: this is all fair, my only thing is
May 05th 2016
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LOL is that right?
May 04th 2016
10
Umm, aint she involved in a FBI investigation?
May 04th 2016
11
That dude is a fucking lunatic, FYI.
May 04th 2016
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Noted. But isn't she?
May 04th 2016
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Kinda, but not really.
May 04th 2016
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Wrong, a private account isn't the issue, it's the server
May 04th 2016
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      No, really, that's not the issue.
May 05th 2016
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           RE: Wrong again, its about the precedent this sets going forward
May 06th 2016
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SHHhhhhhh!!!!
May 04th 2016
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lolllll
May 04th 2016
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      He's almost a lone voice in the forest...
May 04th 2016
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....these morons still voting for her though
May 05th 2016
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LOL at Dems mad about Bernies team talking about super delegates!
May 04th 2016
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Nobody's mad about that. He's not gonna turn anyone.
May 04th 2016
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      #TrollFor15
May 04th 2016
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i for one am shocked that hrc supporters on okp are sore winners.
May 04th 2016
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i can't really blame them. they're terrified.
May 05th 2016
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yeah, this is a weird ass thread
May 05th 2016
30
Strav has pretty much singlehandedly ruined these threads
May 05th 2016
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      condescending cuntery
May 05th 2016
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      I'm sorry. But don't feel so bad.
May 05th 2016
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      I'm shocked more people just don't flat-out ignore his lunacy.
May 05th 2016
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It ain't about Bernie, it's about a socialist left
May 05th 2016
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American Socialist Left is a laughable term...
May 05th 2016
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      european left isn't as left as south american, south african socialist i...
May 06th 2016
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We'll thank her when she's behind bars where she belongs...
May 05th 2016
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^ At least he's not condescending.
May 05th 2016
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Marbles
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1. "I come to praise Bernie Sanders, not bury him..."
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2. "umm, dude ran as a socialist, is this supposed to be juicy info? "
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wow, so shocked a guy like Bernie wanted to gut military spending.

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3. "dog, no one cares."
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first of all, either this article or one just like it has already been posted.

secondly, because Hillary fans love to throw this up from time to time, most Sanders supporters are aware of this stuff. most of it sounds like a reach, especially when you get stuff like "he reportedly shouted death to Yankees with the Sandinistas" and whatnot. Like, okay, who reported that? Is there video? Audio?

now, I'd like to hear why he voted down the Amber Alert bill, but to try to make that some kind of indictment against him is comical. it would be HILARIOUS if Repubs tried to paint that as him being pro-kidnapping or some shit. they'd get laughed off the stage.

finally, why should Sanders supporters be thankful? typically, Dems leave the mudslinging to the Repubs during the primaries, and this was no different. Also, Hillary bringing this up would make her look MAD desperate - trying to paint him as some Chester The Molestor or some shit.

point being, Bernie has a track record his people support and this shit wouldn't tarnish their opinion of him. they don't fuck with Hillary and for good reason. not sure why Hillary supporters can't get that thru their thick skulls. their reasons are well-though out and principled, just like the candidate they support.

it's gonna suck when Trump is president though, i'll give you that.

  

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4. "If that's all they got..."
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Bring it on. That land deal business with the Catholic Church seems to be squashed. The other stuff is like when Obama was lumped together with Ayers. Bernie is pretty clean given his many decades of service.

Oh, and Jane Sanders had a $200,000 severance? OMG. She must be stopped! lol Holla at me when she gets $50 million and the college becomes insolvent.

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8. "base."
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Some of this stuff appeals to me (the anti-imperialism).

Some of this may appeal to Trump supporters.

But the DIFFERENCE is I bet if you were to press or ask Bernie about these things - *gasp* - he may actually answer the question.

or he could play dumb like homegirl be doing *shrugs*

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5. "It's hilarious how blind the Bernie supporters are to his GE weaknesses."
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Of course *YOU* can forgive all the weird shit from his past. So can I. (I hold a grudge about the anti-science stuff, but that's a movement thing, I get it.)

But you and I are not typical voters! The average soccer mom is not gonna forgive on-the-record comments about kids touching each other. In a country where a majority still thinks "big government" is a bigger threat than big business, we can't have a candidate who openly supported the fucking Sandanistas.

This isn't about whether any of his positions, past or present, are right or wrong. It isn't even about whether they can be explained to a reasonable person. General election voters don't listen to the explanation. If John Kerry and Max Cleland could be turned into traitors in the minds of the voting public, you can't pretend that Bernie Sanders can't be turned into a creepy pedophilic old man.

  

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15. "psst...hey...HRC just lost another open primary "
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16. "Your point? "
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If you're arguing what I think you're arguing, the flaw is your implicit assumption that primary voters are representative of general election voters. That's just not true. This is poli-sci 101.

  

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23. "Exactly ^^^ "
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When independents can vote Bernie wins

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/when-independents-can-vot_b_9834224.html

=/= the Democratic primary process

that's precisely the point

well said.

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29. "Yes, then again, that's a totally specious argument. "
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The "independents" who vote in primaries are completely different from those who vote in general elections. The former are hardcore liberals. The latter are, by and large, centrists.

  

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28. "RE: psst...hey...HRC just lost another open primary "
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Hey...history is fun....Did u know Barack Obama lost his last NINE primaries, closed AND open to Clinton even though he was still in the lead with the hard numbers?

Did u know that Hillary Clinton holds a bigger popular vote lead (just raw votes, not delegates) over Bernie than Obeezy did Clinton (Hillary C. actually had more popular votes than Obeezy)...?

Just saying....Ya know?

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31. "Is that your argument for HRC being a stronger GE candidate? "
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If she loses the last 9 primaries she's BHO in the GE?

LOL

and that would assumedly negate the 2nd part of your statement

or is your reply just the normal deflection?

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41. "RE: Is that your argument for HRC being a stronger GE candidate? "
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No...my argument is this is nothing new....

Hillary Clinton will be the Democratic nominee...And Bernie is a good man who lit a much needed fire underneath her ass....I want to see what Sanders does next...What ever homie does, it will make or break the upcoming Presidential election...

But yeah...wasn't trying to be an asshole (I've enjoyed our debates....Real talk...)

It's just that political history has a way of always being a sobering reminder...We can even go further than Obama...Jimmy Carter was still in the lead (and was headed for his parties' nomination) even after he lost more than 6 primaries the final months heading up to the general....Shit happens all the time...

To me the only question at this point is: Are u voting for Hillary Clinton, voting for the green/indie party candidate, voting for Trump (!!!!!) or staying home....?

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6. "i'm baffled he's still n race,"
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but this explains some reasons why. I never thought he had a snowballs chance n hell. Him against trump = prez trump

  

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7. "RE: i'm baffled he's still n race,"
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>but this explains some reasons why. I never thought he had a
>snowballs chance n hell. Him against trump = prez trump


I've always thought this....And it had nothing to do with the Bernie's overall message (much of which I support)...It has more to do with the reality that thousands and thousands of people who continue to come out to see Bernie on the campaign trail only make up a small slither of the electorate....It's why no one should count the amount of people at any rally as equaling actual votes...It's always a tricky prospect....

And yeah, most of the past facts about Bernie also gave me pause...I could care less that dude said America has a lot to learn from Cuba, or his Iran connections...But Middle America folks? They would run the other way in a general election...

I'm more excited to see if the young Bernie supporters will translate their excitement and dedication to Sanders into local and state political muscle...Local and Congressional politics have more direct influence on the issues we want to make a reality....

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9. "this is all fair, my only thing is"
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and what is the root of his campaign: until you put establishment politics under examination, and private/specials interests up for dismissal from the process, these same heartland folks that would run from "socialism" don't have a chance anyway for issues that matter to them.

Bernie is at least putting it on front street, and walking the walk. For all of the transparency he has had I don't think that he would be marred by the "silly season" of election cycles.

Hillary didn't go there because she didn't want her actual past brought into the discussion. None of the stuff above lead to lives being lost or dismantling of the direction of a nation. What sucks is Trump IS going to go there, and his hands are cleaner than hers.

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27. "RE: this is all fair, my only thing is"
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>Hillary didn't go there because she didn't want her actual
>past brought into the discussion. None of the stuff above lead
>to lives being lost or dismantling of the direction of a
>nation. What sucks is Trump IS going to go there, and his
>hands are cleaner than hers.


Nah...Hill-Dawg didn't go there because she's a Democrat....And no Democrat wants to piss off their party's base...Clinton understood that she needed Bernie's voters AND his support...

As for Trump? Nothing he says will be breaking new ground about Clinton....It's ALL been said in the past...Just go on any Right Wing political site, talk show radio, FOX News, etc...Clinton has been painted as everything from a straight up murderer to a co-consipractor of rape (no joke)....Hillary Clinton has already been vetted...For three decades plus....That's one of the mean reasons I voted for her over Bernie...Unless the dead body of Vince Foster has secretly been buried in her backyard for decades, there's nothing NEW to be said...

Trump will Benghazi and Email his way through this campaign....Nothing new...At all...Clinton will smile and bring up Trump University (trial is about to start BTW, his comments about women, blacks, Latinos, the disabled, a war hero...the list goes on....

It is what it is...

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10. "LOL is that right? "
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Yea - Bernie wrote about sex OMG'z.

Of course - zero mention of what Clinton was doing in her youth.

Supporting an anti-civil rights "Southern Strategy" stalwart:

http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/6a00d8341c579653ef01538e8d30e4970b.png

But yes - we are sure glad Hillary blessed us and was nice to Bernie!

Sure dodged a bullet there.

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11. "Umm, aint she involved in a FBI investigation?"
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/clinton-should-concede-to-sanders-before-fbi-reveals-findings_b_9836720.html

Like, how's Hil-dawg still in the race, is my question.

  

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12. "That dude is a fucking lunatic, FYI. "
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And before Bernie he was a Rand Paul supporter (and one would assume a Ron Paul supporter before that).

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/02/ultimate-bernie-bro-meet-the-hillary-hating-rand-fan-who-experienced-the-bern-and-fell-in-love/

Nothing he writes should be taken seriously.

  

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13. "Noted. But isn't she?"
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http://time.com/4276988/jim-comey-hillary-clinton/

  

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They're investigating issues relating to her use of a private email account, and her sending and receiving emails containing information that was later retroactively classified. Neither of which was illegal, and she hasn't been accused of a crime.

It's really not a serious issue. The only reason it gets reported at all is because it's at the center of the Republicans' smear campaign. A smear campaign that pieces of shit like HA Goodman are happy to amplify.

  

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25. "Wrong, a private account isn't the issue, it's the server "
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39. "No, really, that's not the issue."
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If it was a private account on a commercial server then you'd be claiming it was susceptible to leaks or corporate espionage.

The issue is that you want a scandal, and there just happens to be an entire political party out there in the business of inflating fake scandals for your benefit.

  

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43. "RE: Wrong again, its about the precedent this sets going forward"
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look, I get you're rooting for your girl, got it

I find it strange that any private citizen would be rooting for the email issue to just go away

because this sets a precedent going forward

do you really want elected officials to have the ability operate outside of state department oversight and circumvent FOIA requests?

because that's actually the issue here

we don't know what was in her emails

because we don't know what was deleted

etc...

because she was operating outside of any oversight by using the private server

other than being vulnerable to hacking, etc...

it's a terrible precedent to set.

I still find it hilarisad that people could be convinced that the SOS didn't handle classified material...c'mon

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18. "SHHhhhhhh!!!!"
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Don't talk about it too much because that might make it actually happen. Or it could happen anyway. They don't like to think too much about it in Hillbot country. Trump is already talking about "Crooked Hillary" and how he would prosecute her.

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17. "lolllll"
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lol, I'm laughing because I recognized the author as dude that wrote that terrible fake ass princess leia 'save me fbi, you're our only hope' ( http://www.salon.com/2016/04/27/please_fbi_youre_our_last_hope_the_democratic_partys_future_rests_upon_your_probe_of_hillary_clintons_emails/ ) piece. I rarely follow authors, but he stuck out in a bad way.

  

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19. "He's almost a lone voice in the forest..."
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If I were a writer and no one else was talking about something so plain and obvious then I'd scream to the high heavens too. I don't blame him and if he wants to latch onto such an underreported story then have at it.

I think people who use the term "Bernie Bros" are way worse.

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37. "....these morons still voting for her though"
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20. "LOL at Dems mad about Bernies team talking about super delegates!"
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these are THE RULES you know!?!!???!?

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21. "Nobody's mad about that. He's not gonna turn anyone. "
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It's just funny how shallow his supposed "principles" were from the very beginning.

  

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24. "#TrollFor15"
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22. "i for one am shocked that hrc supporters on okp are sore winners. "
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26. "i can't really blame them. they're terrified."
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30. "yeah, this is a weird ass thread"
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32. "Strav has pretty much singlehandedly ruined these threads"
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Just an endless stream of condescending cuntery that makes it impossible to have a conversation.

Unbearable.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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33. "condescending cuntery"
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35. "I'm sorry. But don't feel so bad."
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In 2020, your guy will have another chance to install a Republican.

Maybe he'll primary Hillary, just like he wanted somebody to primary Obama.


(THAT, I'll admit, was condescending cuntery. Which by the way has always been standard practice at OKP. But none of it changes the fact that at this point Bernie Sanders is unambiguously making it LESS likely that we'll raise the minimum wage, improve health care coverage, regulate wall street, protect Social Security from privatization, lower the cost of education, etc.)

  

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42. "I'm shocked more people just don't flat-out ignore his lunacy. "
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If anybody were ever a model profile for a paid Hillary troll - it's him. If he's not on their pay-roll - he should be.

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34. "It ain't about Bernie, it's about a socialist left "
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Bernie is just a vessel for the message that most of the Democrats who aren't beholden to the machine politics are sick of wealth inequality.

  

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38. "American Socialist Left is a laughable term... "
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Like, the American left is still waaaaay right of Europe.


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44. "european left isn't as left as south american, south african socialist i..."
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tanzanian socialist...all that is besides the point.

  

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36. "We'll thank her when she's behind bars where she belongs..."
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40. "^ At least he's not condescending."
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