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"Presidential Primary Post 10: Bern up, on a Tuesday"


          

I wanted to say is Bern's Time up on a Tuesday but it was too wordy.

Welp, I think this is it. Unless Bernie finds a way to suppress voters it's a wrap.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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LOL@Crooked Hillary <-- This is what ya'll asked for
Apr 26th 2016
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got the young bern'n up, on a Tuesday
Apr 26th 2016
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Jeb! How quickly we forget
Apr 26th 2016
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      completely agree, but I'm at the point where I'm
Apr 26th 2016
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           RE: completely agree, I'm not voting HRC
Apr 26th 2016
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Everyone treating her like the pragmatic choice is full of salami
Apr 27th 2016
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      Bern is was and will be the strongest GE candidate
Apr 27th 2016
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           Eggsactly to all this ^
Apr 27th 2016
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i'm registered as Unaffiliated so i can't vote today which sucks
Apr 26th 2016
2
That's the wackest shit, that's how it played out
Apr 26th 2016
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Only reason I am registered as a Dem is to vote
Apr 26th 2016
6
***Unaffiliated Update***
Apr 27th 2016
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I'm over it
Apr 26th 2016
9
I don't see how anyone can watch this shit
Apr 26th 2016
10
      I'm all about the internets now..
Apr 26th 2016
11
The disaster that would have ensued if Bernie had won the nomination...
Apr 26th 2016
12
downfall? LMAO
Apr 26th 2016
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downfall is a curious choice of words.
Apr 26th 2016
14
"Slow but steady descent into utter irrelevance" was too wordy.
Apr 26th 2016
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And how about Hillary's pending investigation
Apr 26th 2016
15
It's hilarious how the Bernie Bros have descended...
Apr 26th 2016
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      Not just the right, buddy.
Apr 26th 2016
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           Well as long as you BELIEVE!
Apr 26th 2016
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                You BELIEVE she's done nothing wrong...
Apr 26th 2016
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Remember how John Kerry came out of the Convention so
Apr 26th 2016
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kudos to this writer. this is a great attempt at a takedown.
Apr 26th 2016
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      So you're still sticking to this:
Apr 26th 2016
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      but yet what's funny is that for someone who is supposedly...
Apr 26th 2016
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           So that his supporters can learn from their mistakes.
Apr 26th 2016
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      RE: kudos to this writer. this is a great attempt at a takedown.
Apr 26th 2016
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This made me laugh...
Apr 26th 2016
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it doesnt mattet if Hillary is charged or not
Apr 26th 2016
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Man, they've been trying to find a way for that dog to hunt for years
Apr 26th 2016
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      bruh, the way they swiftboated Kerry
Apr 26th 2016
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           RE: bruh, the way they swiftboated Kerry
Apr 26th 2016
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If yall Bernie Bros were serious about taking down Hillary for
Apr 26th 2016
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For the record, that shit bothers me.
Apr 26th 2016
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lol, oh...so now it bothers you?
Apr 26th 2016
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      I've always been far more anti-Bernie than pro-Hillary.
Apr 26th 2016
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Tulsi Gabbard said it...
Apr 26th 2016
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but they woke now that one of their own posted a link
Apr 26th 2016
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buddy, we are on the 10th thread
Apr 26th 2016
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The problem is when you guys talk about it,
Apr 26th 2016
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nah, thats just a way to deflect from the issues
Apr 26th 2016
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      Then you should stop trying to use GOP talking points!
Apr 26th 2016
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           the problem really is that y'all want to talk about them too
Apr 26th 2016
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                Care to expound?
Apr 26th 2016
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                     you were replying to a different person, in regards to a different topic
Apr 26th 2016
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I talked about it 4 threads ago. SMH.
Apr 26th 2016
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Best quote in the article
Apr 26th 2016
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that marine recruiter story sounds like the most clintonian shit ever
Apr 26th 2016
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You left out the most Clintonian part of it all
Apr 26th 2016
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the fuck are you talking about. we been on that.
Apr 26th 2016
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You've "been on" an article that came out this Sunday?
Apr 26th 2016
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man, i BEEN saying my two biggest problems w/ her...
Apr 26th 2016
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Apr 26th 2016
50
c'mon bro - you responded to this very post!
Apr 26th 2016
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Where did I say this article was Brand New News?
Apr 27th 2016
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^^^^^^^"undecided Democrat"^^^^^^
Apr 26th 2016
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These young turk niggas are nuts lmfao
Apr 26th 2016
55
I haven't checked them out in a min. But I appreciate their blatant bias...
Apr 26th 2016
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Watching right now. They're fucking lunatics.
Apr 26th 2016
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theyve gotten annoying. especially the chick.
Apr 26th 2016
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Jimmy Dore is (or at least sounded as such). The rest are fair.
Apr 27th 2016
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#biggerthanbernie
Apr 26th 2016
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Good for these people, seriously.
Apr 26th 2016
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      lol @ "We need more Joe Liebermans"
Apr 27th 2016
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           The Lieberman Revolution (c) stav
Apr 27th 2016
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           Bernie had that "Joementum!" (c) Lieberman
Apr 27th 2016
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           Point is, if those "blue dogs" hadnt been there,
Apr 27th 2016
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                you're using "we" and "us" as interchangeable terms for progressives...
Apr 27th 2016
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                     Yeah, I think I use them that way because they ARE interchangeable,
Apr 27th 2016
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                          sad
Apr 28th 2016
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LOL, Trump openly calling for an Independent Sanders run.
Apr 26th 2016
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I legit feel dumber after watching Trump speak
Apr 26th 2016
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Sometimes he just rambles on like a pompous rich old jewish lady
Apr 26th 2016
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Y'all think the Republicans are going to steal this from Trump?
Apr 26th 2016
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Those Trump supporters will burn this motha fucka down if that happens
Apr 26th 2016
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Yeah, it's getting real hard to believe they'd be able to pull it away,
Apr 26th 2016
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Not gonna happen.
Apr 26th 2016
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Alright, Sanders supporters. Time to come the Heezus.
Apr 26th 2016
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more like hill-zebub.
Apr 26th 2016
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yeah, Hillary winning states with a whopping 51%
Apr 26th 2016
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I look forward to your disappointment when Bernie endorses Hillary.
Apr 26th 2016
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this has been a trainwreck of a primary.
Apr 26th 2016
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      You do realize that Sanders is losing...
Apr 26th 2016
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      the way this whole voting thing works is that
Apr 26th 2016
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           how dare parties not leave it to people who aren't affiliated
Apr 27th 2016
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                but see, that's why your argument is so bitchmade.
Apr 28th 2016
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                     no its bitchmade getting upset at the rules after the fact
Apr 28th 2016
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                          125,000 REGISTERED DEMOCRATS were purged from the
Apr 29th 2016
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      Again, you don't seem to understand the significance of the 12th amendme...
Apr 26th 2016
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LMAO....dis shit funny
Apr 26th 2016
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I wanna see it happen
Apr 26th 2016
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Bruh, it's time to deal in facts...
Apr 26th 2016
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      those thinga aren't mutually exclusive.
Apr 26th 2016
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           RE: those thinga aren't mutually exclusive.
Apr 26th 2016
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Nah...
Apr 26th 2016
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Uh, your side lost. What part of that don't you get?
Apr 26th 2016
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      much of my side hasn't voted at all.
Apr 26th 2016
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           He's almost 3million votes behind in the popular vote...
Apr 26th 2016
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                lol@ u bringing facts, stats and predictability into this
Apr 26th 2016
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                     Bernie has 45% of Democrats and
Apr 27th 2016
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                          70% in what states breh?
Apr 27th 2016
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                               RE: 70% in what states breh?
Apr 27th 2016
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                                    lmao nah he ain't
Apr 27th 2016
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                                         43% of the COUNTRY identifies as Independent.
Apr 27th 2016
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                                              ok and? what makes u believe 70% would vote Bern in a general?
Apr 28th 2016
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                                                   what makes you think they wouldn't?
Apr 28th 2016
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                                                        lol show me 1 link breh
Apr 28th 2016
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                                                             Likewise. See you in July
Apr 29th 2016
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Nah, I'm good.
Apr 26th 2016
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I will hold my nose and vote
Apr 27th 2016
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Edwards did worse with black voters than her opponent getting white vote...
Apr 26th 2016
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whisper of an...
Apr 27th 2016
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This is a near certainty
Apr 27th 2016
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RE: whisper of an...
Apr 27th 2016
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What's the charge? n/m
Apr 27th 2016
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      Aggravated giving of speeches to woall shtreet.
Apr 27th 2016
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           I LOLed
Apr 27th 2016
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Ya'll F w/Redacted Tonight? Proof NY was rigged (vid)
Apr 27th 2016
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STOP MAKING SENSE FAM (c) Gay Kanye West
Apr 27th 2016
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Any of yall getting legitimately nervous?
Apr 27th 2016
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I want to believe Trump has no shot vs Hillary
Apr 27th 2016
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Seriously
Apr 27th 2016
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RE: Any of yall getting legitimately nervous?
Apr 27th 2016
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Down to a coin flip...
Apr 27th 2016
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it's wack. Trump got the votes so he should get the nod
Apr 27th 2016
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RE: it's wack. Trump got the votes so he should get the nod
Apr 27th 2016
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      Part of me thinks Trump doesn't really want the GOP nomination
Apr 27th 2016
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           But can he win in the general?
Apr 27th 2016
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           No.
Apr 27th 2016
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           f he gets the nomination he will say some REAL CRAZY shit
Apr 27th 2016
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                He already started sliding down the road last night
Apr 27th 2016
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Nah.
Apr 27th 2016
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a little bit. he's an effective con artist
Apr 27th 2016
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I would so passionately love to see a 4-party race in the fall
Apr 27th 2016
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No, the duopoly will remain entrenched
Apr 27th 2016
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There's no point even having a 4-person race,
Apr 27th 2016
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I'd be for it.
Apr 27th 2016
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      repubs aint pickin hillary dawg lol
Apr 27th 2016
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      in what universe would the House of Representatives pick Hillary?
Apr 27th 2016
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      RE: I'd be for it.
Apr 27th 2016
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           no, not trolling. you're right
Apr 27th 2016
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                Dude, what?
Apr 27th 2016
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                that was sarcasm, but using Hillary supporter logic.
Apr 27th 2016
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                     No one forced Bernie to run as a Dem
Apr 27th 2016
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                          If Bernie ran as an Independent he would be a virtual
Apr 27th 2016
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                               Yes, another big reason was a larger platform
Apr 28th 2016
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                                    so riddle me this....
Apr 28th 2016
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                                         again with the, what if some thing that's not going to happen happens?
Apr 28th 2016
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                                              fair enough, deflect, deflect, deflect.
Apr 28th 2016
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                                                   if not wanting to entertain every pointless hypothetical is deflecting
Apr 28th 2016
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                                                        I'll ask you again in July.
Apr 28th 2016
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                RE: no, not trolling. you're right
Apr 27th 2016
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                     158
Apr 27th 2016
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You would love the House of Reps to pick our next president?
Apr 27th 2016
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Their sponsors pick our prez as it is. Least this could shake things
Apr 27th 2016
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      The house of reps would have picked Obama?
Apr 27th 2016
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           I'm not saying that either
Apr 29th 2016
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                So.. far right house picks far right pres who picks far right SCOTUS
Apr 29th 2016
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                     yeah with so much at stake, all the more reason to
Apr 29th 2016
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                          that's great except Bernie is not winning
Apr 29th 2016
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                               fair enough, we'll see how it all shakes out.
Apr 29th 2016
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RE: I would so passionately love to see Congress packed BLUE in 2018
Apr 27th 2016
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All Hillary has to do is...
Apr 27th 2016
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The Clintonian way is to co-opt popular shit though.
Apr 27th 2016
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      There's truth to what you say
Apr 27th 2016
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           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Apr 27th 2016
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Cruz to annouce Fiorina as his VP - Most unlikable ticket ever?
Apr 27th 2016
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Who the hell is advising this guy?
Apr 27th 2016
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i nearly forgot about that praying mantis
Apr 27th 2016
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Someone help me understand why Cruz is announcing a VP this early?
Apr 27th 2016
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i guess he's desperate and just seeing what sticks
Apr 27th 2016
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NY Times asked the exact same question (swipe)
Apr 27th 2016
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He desperately needs a news cycle.
Apr 27th 2016
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RE: He desperately needs a news cycle.
Apr 27th 2016
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Yep
Apr 27th 2016
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In that case, he would have been better off picking Kasich as VP
Apr 27th 2016
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      Picking Kasich would hurt him with the people who like him
Apr 27th 2016
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Carli is from Cali so he's trying to steal those votes
Apr 27th 2016
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      Yeah, Fiorina isn't cutting any ice in Cali. Neither is Trump
Apr 27th 2016
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           I'm talking Primary. And Cali voted in Tha Termanata
Apr 27th 2016
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                Terminata got elected during a recall with a six-week cycle
Apr 27th 2016
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                     Let's stick to primary as we don't know who will be around after July
Apr 27th 2016
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That Trump Effect (Latinos running to get registered---SWIPE)
Apr 27th 2016
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nah, just shows how the Latino population is growing fast as hell
Apr 29th 2016
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Most solid argument for Bernie I've seen yet.
Apr 27th 2016
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they made a video of my facebook feed
Apr 27th 2016
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hahaha
Apr 27th 2016
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cute, but this shit is a virtual tie at this point.
Apr 27th 2016
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      Yeah, virtual tie. Funny that he's laying off staff, though.
Apr 27th 2016
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           he went from 3% to leading in national polls
Apr 27th 2016
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Stravs is really a gracious winner & a good sport, congrats Champ
Apr 27th 2016
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Thanks. I'll admit, I'm a good guy.
Apr 27th 2016
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      #NoWeCant #ChangeIsTooHard #WhyTry
Apr 27th 2016
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           speaking of which, peep this:
Apr 27th 2016
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                Uhh, she's supported free community college from the beginning.
Apr 27th 2016
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                her stance is more affordable college.
Apr 27th 2016
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                Her stance is free community college, among other things.
Apr 27th 2016
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                wow, this has changed.
Apr 27th 2016
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                Let me get this right, Yall get mad when Hillary adopts positions
Apr 28th 2016
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                     nah, they get mad when Hillary fans bash Bernie's lofty goals
Apr 28th 2016
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                          I wouldn't bash his goals. Just his ability to pull it off.
Apr 28th 2016
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                               yeah, one is policy and the other is pandering.
Apr 28th 2016
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                                    Well the major differences between the those two plans is...
Apr 28th 2016
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                                         the revolution is happening, or have you not looked outside?
Apr 29th 2016
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                quick quiz: name everything a sitting president gave lip service to
Apr 27th 2016
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                     Oh, so you actually think Bernie would have done more than Obama
Apr 27th 2016
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                          i think he would at least try, yes
Apr 27th 2016
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                               RE: i think he would at least try, yes
Apr 28th 2016
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                                    some of y'all democrats sure don't care about democracy
Apr 28th 2016
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                                         RE: some of y'all democrats sure don't care about democracy
Apr 28th 2016
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                                              no, Dems partied in 2008 and stayed home in 2010.
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                                                   and I say GOD DAMN
Apr 28th 2016
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                                                   RE: no, Dems partied in 2008 and stayed home in 2010.
Apr 28th 2016
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                                                        Who are you voting FOR in local elections?
Apr 28th 2016
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                                                        the energy of Bernie's supporters is being
Apr 29th 2016
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                (double post)
Apr 27th 2016
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                     does she pay you $12 or $15 an hour to troll?
Apr 27th 2016
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                          #TrollFor15
Apr 27th 2016
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Clinton paying trolls to attack criticism via David Brock's PAC
Apr 27th 2016
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yaaay Feminism!
Apr 27th 2016
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I wish! No, I'm paid by the fluoridation lobby,
Apr 27th 2016
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Bernie begins to layoff hundreds of staffers
Apr 27th 2016
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he is concentrating his efforts in the last key states.
Apr 28th 2016
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he is concentrating his efforts in the last key states.
Apr 28th 2016
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      ruthless capitalist restructures workforces
Apr 28th 2016
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Parting shot against Bernie Bros
Apr 28th 2016
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lmao, why would i defend that?
Apr 28th 2016
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i just caught the holy ghost off this sentence.
Apr 28th 2016
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Salute.
Apr 28th 2016
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^^^^^^^^^^
Apr 28th 2016
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*burns slow to this reply*
Apr 28th 2016
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So, I watched the video...
Apr 28th 2016
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I think you're mistaking the frustration w/HRC lies, the media's continu...
Apr 28th 2016
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it's heartbreaking man.
Apr 28th 2016
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      man, whats sad is the Trump shit is so obvious
Apr 28th 2016
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           yup, but I may be watching from Canada or France when
Apr 28th 2016
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           ^^^^^^^
Apr 29th 2016
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It's an apt parting shot.
Apr 28th 2016
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      its a FoxNews tactic
Apr 28th 2016
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      RE: It's an apt parting shot.
Apr 28th 2016
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RE: Presidential Primary Post 10: Bern up, on a Tuesday
Apr 28th 2016
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Boehner calls Cruz "Lucifer in the flesh" lol (swipe)
Apr 28th 2016
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GOP served up an easy W for the Dems and we dont want a progressive
Apr 28th 2016
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      yup. we actually had a shot at real change.
Apr 28th 2016
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      RE: GOP served up an easy W for the Dems and we dont want a progressive
Apr 28th 2016
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      murph, WE know its starts on a local level but WE also know
Apr 28th 2016
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           RE: murph, WE know its starts on a local level but WE also know
Apr 28th 2016
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      Agreed
Apr 28th 2016
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           Bernie isnt winning... the people have spoken
Apr 28th 2016
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                ironically, Bernie's supporters will turn into the guys
Apr 28th 2016
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                I'm not quite there yet
Apr 28th 2016
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                     RE: I'm not quite there yet
Apr 28th 2016
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                          I've lost a lot of hope for you...
Apr 28th 2016
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Obama to Bernie: Don't Know About Your Wall Street Talk (SWIPE)
Apr 28th 2016
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I've tried to stay outta recent back and forths.
Apr 28th 2016
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RE: I've tried to stay outta recent back and forths.
Apr 28th 2016
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      You didn't read the link.
Apr 28th 2016
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           RE: You didn't read the link.
Apr 28th 2016
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                The point is.....
Apr 28th 2016
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                     Continue to support, man
Apr 28th 2016
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                     re: income caps
Apr 28th 2016
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                          RE: re: income caps
Apr 28th 2016
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Obama's record on Wall Street has been a disaster
Apr 29th 2016
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      alladis
Apr 29th 2016
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      ^^^^ truth
Apr 29th 2016
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      oh, Hillary gonna pay them back in much more detrimental way to the U.S.
Apr 29th 2016
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      and her son in law is a hedge fund manager.
Apr 29th 2016
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      yes, but Hillary is 2.4 million un-suppressed votes ahead!
Apr 29th 2016
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      Tell de trufe!
Apr 29th 2016
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#FDT IN LA AND ITS TURNT TONIIIIIITE!!!
Apr 28th 2016
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RE: #FDT IN LA AND ITS TURNT TONIIIIIITE!!!
Apr 29th 2016
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      Dont #FDT know wtf Apr 29th is??? he needa brush up on his cube..
Apr 29th 2016
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Philly's Democratic Party Breaks the Law for HRC
Apr 29th 2016
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dirty
Apr 29th 2016
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as if superpacs & corp media wasn't enough of an advantage...
Apr 29th 2016
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no, this is all fair. Dem the rules.
Apr 29th 2016
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So some actual math.
Apr 29th 2016
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RE: So some actual math.
Apr 29th 2016
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yes, of Democrats.
Apr 29th 2016
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"multiply that by how much birds like him" - that guy in the video
Apr 29th 2016
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lol funny
Apr 29th 2016
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RE: "multiply that by how much birds like him" - that guy in the video
May 02nd 2016
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Thought I'd leave this here, since you like math so much.
Apr 29th 2016
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      wow this is mad accurate.
Apr 29th 2016
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           RE: wow this is mad accurate.
Apr 29th 2016
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Indiana voters receiving calls claiming Bernie dropped out of the race
May 02nd 2016
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Florida poll: Clinton easily beats Cruz or Trump (swipe)
May 02nd 2016
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If she ends up going Castro for VP I bet the Dems CRUSH a Trump ticket
May 02nd 2016
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http://i.sli.mg/euHfi7.gif
May 02nd 2016
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http://uproxx.com/news/carly-fiorina-falls-ted-cruz-video/
May 02nd 2016
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http://gawker.com/watch-ted-cruz-s-daughter-literally-run-from-her-fathe...
May 02nd 2016
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lmao, talk about a power struggle
May 03rd 2016
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Indiana, let's go!
May 03rd 2016
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1 down, 8 to go.
May 03rd 2016
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Cruz out!
May 03rd 2016
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WHO WILL SAVE OUR BATHROOMS
May 03rd 2016
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*cough*
May 03rd 2016
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Bernie still picking up states lol
May 03rd 2016
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bentagain
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1. "LOL@Crooked Hillary <-- This is what ya'll asked for "
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Tue Apr-26-16 08:59 AM by bentagain

  

          

To the Bern should get out contingent

are you really considering what that looks like?

Trump attacking

and Hillary using a he's a bigger scumbag than me shield

LOL

c'mon

Saw the delegate count this morning

still about 250 difference = in til California.

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3. "got the young bern'n up, on a Tuesday"
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Tue Apr-26-16 09:04 AM by Mr. ManC

  

          

but them pledged delegates stay choosy,
the young Bern'n up, on a Tuesday,
Secretary Clinton though refuse meh,
young Bern'n up...

#sienteelfuego

and I agree. How do people really think she'll fare when she's against Trump. I think Bernie would benefit from Hillary taking a beating from Trump while he sits there and looks like the sane one.




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5. "Jeb! How quickly we forget "
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Cruz let Rubio and nem roll around in the mud with Trump

and he knocked them out one by one

HilDawgs should want Bern in the race

once the campaigns go personal, she can't win

^ said alladis months ago

and they're still falling for it

Let the GOP deal with Trump and keep your hands clean <-- only advice I'll offer HRC.

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7. "completely agree, but I'm at the point where I'm"
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realizing that the REAL political party would be to get a third party out of this process. The options can't be Trump and Hillary when they don't have to be. Plus I find it funny that Hillary talks about her "BIG" lead over Bernie, but when commenting on Trump she thinks there's a window for a contested convention on their side. I mean, I expect her to deflect Bernie's steam, but I would love for them to enter almost tied at pledged delegates.

If not, then Bernie should be a third party candidate, maybe even with Jill Stein.

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8. "RE: completely agree, I'm not voting HRC "
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105. "Everyone treating her like the pragmatic choice is full of salami"
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Independents don't trust her at all.

Republicans think she's a V.

She's been the single most despised political figure by the right over the last 25 years, more than her husband, more than even Obama. She's their "wicked witch of the left".

Republicans are on a constant quest to stick her with criminal charges, and something will eventually stick enough to derail her.

She consistently polls worse in general than Bernie.

But we're supposed to just believe See's the one who can best reach across the aisle and get things done and we're supposed ignore everything in front of us and pretend she's more electable.

  

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146. "Bern is was and will be the strongest GE candidate "
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42% Independent voters
28% both D and R voters

Bern polls at 70% w/indies
and is getting just under 50% w/Ds

= about 40% in a currently 5 person race

If Ds actually united around Bern = W

HRC, even if you give her 28%

That's a long way from a majority and she's done nothing to bring us in

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153. "Eggsactly to all this ^"
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2. "i'm registered as Unaffiliated so i can't vote today which sucks"
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my wife keeps telling me i'm foolish for not picking a side and then voting however i want.

but i'm not tryin to hear that.


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4. "That's the wackest shit, that's how it played out"
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last week in NY too. Hillary keeps talking about this "lead" but she doesn't speak to uncounted, displaced, provisional, and affidavit votes.

Bernie should run as an Independent in the general. I think he would keep his base + add those outer party supporters, PLUS some Democrats, plus some of Republicans. I think that gives him a relative majority across most of the country.

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6. "Only reason I am registered as a Dem is to vote"
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in the primary.

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98. "***Unaffiliated Update***"
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so i'm at the polls with my wife and a lady asks me why i'm not voting.

i say "cuz i'm unaffiliated and Maryland has terrible laws that say I can only vote in the general election".\

she says "you can cast a provisional ballot".

i'm like WORD?

so that's what i did.

but here's the catch: for that day only, i had to write down on this sheet of paper that i was doing a party change.

i told the lady thanks but no thanks because i wasn't tryin to play it that way. you not forcing my allegiance.

she says the change is only for one day for the one ballot. and in the system, i'm still unaffiliated. and when the general elections rolls around, i'll still be unaffiliated.

so i did it. and i voted.

now imma wait a few weeks and go on the website to double check and make sure them clowns ain't flip my party.




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9. "I'm over it"
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I've been pretty interested in this primary and kept up with the news, been glued to CNN etc. and politics is not usually something I'm into.

At this point though, I've lost interest. There doesn't seem to be much of a contest any more, and the media milking the same shit over and over is boring now. Maybe it's because I supported Bernie and that ship has sailed now, but I'm ready for this to be over.

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10. "I don't see how anyone can watch this shit "
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I was all in for Obama but besides tuning in for results I can't do it.

I used to watch Sunday morning news and shit and watched CNN, MSNBC hell, even a little FoxNews to hear the mad making but over time i realized those stations are selling optimism and misery at the same damn time.

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11. "I'm all about the internets now.."
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I catch segments here and there, but I've found that youtube has been more informative than any of the major news networks and that should be very scary to them. There is an exodus happening and they're not doing anything to improve their product.

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12. "The disaster that would have ensued if Bernie had won the nomination..."
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I won't swipe, because many of the links are worth following.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/04/polls_say_bernie_is_more_electable_than_hillary_don_t_believe_them.html

Fun paragraph:
"Republicans could hammer the back-seat foreign policy Sanders conducted as a mayor in Vermont: going to Cuba to seek a meeting with Fidel Castro, visiting Lenin’s tomb in the Soviet Union, and traveling to Nicaragua, where he met with Sandinista leader Daniel Ortega and praised the country’s cultural minister as a ‘hippie” whose government was “teaching poetry not only to peasants and to workers but in the military.” They could go after Sanders’ countercultural mockery of “respectful clerks, technicians and soldiers.” They could rehash his attacks on compulsory schooling, dairy laws, and fluoridation, or his Freudian analysis of napalm use in Vietnam, or his advocacy of public toddler nudity and genital touching as cures for porn, or the sexual quackery through which he attributed breast cancer and cervical cancer to orgasm deficiency and capitalist conformity."


The real point of the article is just how his current, upfront positions are poison in a general election, and that stuff is why I opposed him from the beginning. But as much as I loved him in the '90s when he was just a rhetorical flamethrower from the house floor, the more I've learned about him and his history of anti-science quackery, the easier it's been to take glee in his downfall.

  

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13. "downfall? LMAO"
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14. "downfall is a curious choice of words. "
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19. ""Slow but steady descent into utter irrelevance" was too wordy."
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15. "And how about Hillary's pending investigation"
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... how do you think that will turn out Strav? Will she be exonerated of any wrongdoing? Will the FBI charge her with anything? Please, do tell.

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16. "It's hilarious how the Bernie Bros have descended..."
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into wishful thinking for GOP conspiracy theories.

No. She will not be charged with anything, because she hasn't committed any crimes. Nobody but GOP political hacks (the kind that you've reposted here) have even argued that she has.

There will probably be some kind of informal slap on the wrist for evasion of State Department protocols (even though those protocols weren't formally established at the time), just to establish that she didn't get any special treatment. But the FBI is interested in crimes.

Sorry to disappoint you, but no reasonable person thinks that a former Secretary of State will be carried off in shackles for having received emails that were later deemed classified.

  

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17. "Not just the right, buddy."
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My man, H A Goodman, fighting the good fight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBAxdJsVhOE

I am waiting to see what the FBI has. I believe they have something devastating to her campaign. You're in denial about all of it and I understand, Strav. It would mean you're wrong about your candidate pretty much, and that's ok.

Go Bernie! ::cheshire grin::

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18. "Well as long as you BELIEVE!"
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>I believe they have
>something devastating to her campaign.

Your wishes won't make it happen, though.

  

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20. "You BELIEVE she's done nothing wrong..."
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Why? I don't know. She hasn't earned the benefit of the doubt when she deleted her "personal" emails from a government owned server. Allegedly she was conducting government and "personal" business and tried t conceal what that personal business was. I suppose you don't care, but many do, homey.

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23. "Remember how John Kerry came out of the Convention so "
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shiny and pretty? And they defined that dude into a Vietnam War coward when he actually went and was facing an actual draft dodger.

No Dem went in on Bernie the way the GOP inevitably would have. I never heard of any of that stuff and it would have defined Bernie by the end of the process with non-stop ads.

Compared to Hillary, there are no voters who don't already have an opinion of Hillary Clinton already defined. And the polls say that split is enough to win the election.


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37. "kudos to this writer. this is a great attempt at a takedown."
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i mean, since he's a republican and Bernie is polling better than Hillary against Repubs, i'm sure this writer has zero interest in knocking down Bernie and propping up Hillary.

what a fucking smoke but no fire show.

gotta hand it to Hillary supporters. they try real hard.

  

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39. "So you're still sticking to this:"
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>Bernie is polling better
>than Hillary against Repubs,

I heard somewhere that the tooth fairy is also polling better than Hillary against the Republicans. Maybe the tooth fairy can turn around enough superdelegates to win!

Point is, like the tooth fairy, the Bernie Sanders who would do better than Hillary Clinton in a general election does not exist.

>i'm sure this writer has zero
>interest in knocking down Bernie and propping up Hillary.

Bernie is already knocked down, and has been, in retrospect, since super Tuesday. This is just about kicking him while he's down.

  

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41. "but yet what's funny is that for someone who is supposedly..."
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down and out, Hillary and many people in the media are still doing a lot of work to discredit the guy.

if he's cooked, why so much effort?

  

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42. "So that his supporters can learn from their mistakes."
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Nah, but seriously: this is campaign season. People write shit. We are currently on thread 10, each of which has about 300 posts. We've written THOUSANDS of posts that won't be read by anyone but us. People don't need a reason to write about politics when there's a campaign going on.

  

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44. "RE: kudos to this writer. this is a great attempt at a takedown."
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>i mean, since he's a republican and Bernie is polling better
>than Hillary against Repubs, i'm sure this writer has zero
>interest in knocking down Bernie and propping up Hillary.

Nah...

That's one of the VERY few take down attempts we've seen on Bernie...That Republican machine has largely been after Clinton...Relentlessly this cycle....They have basically stayed away from going after Bernie beyond a few quips and articles here and there....They would love to run against Bernie Sanders...He's a dream candidate for the Republican Party....

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21. "This made me laugh..."
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General pivot...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Zl_o-l_zr4

I almost gagged at the syrupy vapidness. Strav? Murph? What ya'll got on this?

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22. "it doesnt mattet if Hillary is charged or not"
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the GOP is going to go have a field day with this shit.

This election isn't going to be about issues, its going to be mud, scandals and more mud.

They found a way to make the most unlikeable woman in politics an option due to Trump being on the other side. It was perfectly executed by the powers that be.

Gotta laugh at the GOP for missing out on an easy W by ignoring the changing winds of a crazy GOP voting base.

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25. "Man, they've been trying to find a way for that dog to hunt for years"
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Nobody cares about the e-mails. I'd say they'd even have more success dredging up Benghazi, but no one cares. And in both cases, there's nothing there.

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28. "bruh, the way they swiftboated Kerry"
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nah, they gonna bring up everything, Bills sexual past, Benghazi, emails, sniper fire.

it's going to be a Shit show.

and let's not act like Hillary dipped gracefully from the Obama admin. She dipped in some concussion, cant,remember bullshit.

It's hers to most but best believe it's going to be ugly and trust me, if the media wants us to care, we will care.

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43. "RE: bruh, the way they swiftboated Kerry"
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They have been trying to Swiftboard Clinton for over 20 years....She's a tested polarizing brand for the other side...There is nothing more anyone can say to get someone not to vote for Clinton....

I mean, we r talking about folks that believe Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton KILLED PEOPLE...lol

It is what it is...

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24. "If yall Bernie Bros were serious about taking down Hillary for "
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policy reasons, yall be all over this indepth story on her being a hawk.


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/24/magazine/how-hillary-clinton-became-a-hawk.html?_r=0

That's some scary ish.

But yall want to talk about emails and Goldma Sachs speeches. SMH.


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26. "For the record, that shit bothers me."
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And the article kinda creeped me out when I read it, though I don't necessarily take it as a full accounting of the situation.

It makes me a little regretful that we never had any alternative candidates.

  

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30. "lol, oh...so now it bothers you? "
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when the Bernie Bros pointed her shitty hawkish ways you were throwing grenades like candy at a parade.

the fakery is real. y'all really are some Hillary voters yo,

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33. "I've always been far more anti-Bernie than pro-Hillary."
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I like her on balance, quite a lot in fact. And I will be very happy (and relieved) if she beats Trump. But I've always admitted she's a flawed candidate.

Once again, it's a shame that no alternative candidates chose to run.

  

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27. "Tulsi Gabbard said it..."
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Why do you think she stepped outside the DNC? I know she's a hawk and several posters here have talked about the Honduras situation and the regime change strategy she employs. If you're just now waking up... ionno man.

She ain't gonna be Obama part deux... she may become the W sequel.

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31. "but they woke now that one of their own posted a link"
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29. "buddy, we are on the 10th thread"
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they talked about that shit 4 threads ago but most of y'all didn't want to talk about it and I specifically remember you making a Shit load of excuses for her Latin America policies.

yall kill me with this pick and choose when to be bothered by Hillary. Its only when YALL say it that it's okay to talk about. Any other time it's just hating on the Hilldawg by the Bern Bros.

When Mansa was giving y'all the business y'all had all the excuses in the world but now you worried? gtfoh.

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32. "The problem is when you guys talk about it,"
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it quickly becomes littered with Benghazi shit, email shit, and conspiracy theories about political assassinations. If you want to have a credible conversation, you have to make credible arguments.

  

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34. "nah, thats just a way to deflect from the issues"
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anytime someone brings up a negative you guys use the "Bernie Bros using GOP talking points" to distract from the actual criticism.

we been doing this way too long for y'all to lie about this shit.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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35. "Then you should stop trying to use GOP talking points!"
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Easy fix.

  

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46. "the problem really is that y'all want to talk about them too"
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i dunno, maybe it's a nice strawman.

case in point, what you did with your responses here.

if you don't want to talk about it, don't talk about it.

  

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47. "Care to expound?"
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I don't see where I brought any of that up in here. I accused *others* of bringing it up, but that doesn't mean I've brought it up myself.

When I glanced back through the thread all I saw was Doomdata bringing up the emails. I responded to that, I wasn't the one who brought it up. It's officially not a strawman if the other guy directly makes the argument.

Other than that, I don't really see what you might be getting at.

  

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49. "you were replying to a different person, in regards to a different topic"
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if we're going to have a real discussion about it and move past this bernie bros bullshit, let's not start with the stuff that irrelevant to hawkishness.

frankly, i don't think there's anything in that article that says more about hillary's hawkishness than we've been saying about hillary and wall street. i think if we really got down to it, people would agree or disagree based on their "read" of the situation. and the most damning stuff is highly anecdotal.

i also think it hasn't come up that much (and hillary hasn't ever backed down from it) because americans clearly don't have a problem voting for a hawk. even democratic socialism is way more popular in the u.s. than pacifism, or even isolationism.

  

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38. "I talked about it 4 threads ago. SMH. "
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I posted the Atlantic Article About the Obama Doctrine a while ago.

>they talked about that shit 4 threads ago but most of y'all
>didn't want to talk about it and I specifically remember you
>making a Shit load of excuses for her Latin America policies.


The Honduras thing doesn't bother me. It was a shitty situation, reasonable and there was no clearly right choice. If she supported the other way and reinstate a leader ousted by the military, judicial and legislature working in collaboration, you are looking at civil war.

She made a call, and she should answer for it, but it was not in my opinion clearly the wrong choice.

>
>yall kill me with this pick and choose when to be bothered by
>Hillary.


Of course we pick and chose what bothers us about Hillary, we all have different values. Taking money from Wall Street doesn't bother me because, I take money from Wall Street and I know it doesn't instill me with a lick of loyalty to those fuckheads.


The Crime shit doesn't bother me because I remember everyone was on that shit in 1994.

Its only when YALL say it that it's okay to talk
>about. Any other time it's just hating on the Hilldawg by the
>Bern Bros.
>
>When Mansa was giving y'all the business y'all had all the
>excuses in the world but now you worried? gtfoh.


It's not a matter of whether it's okay or not to talk about, to me it's a matter of whether the arguments are convincing or not.

What kills people about Bernie supports is that yall don't accept the notion that people know the complaints and are still for Clinton over Bernie but just assume that HRC Supports don't understand or don't know the case against Hillary.




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36. "Best quote in the article"
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"Unexpectedly, in the bombastic, testosterone-fueled presidential election of 2016, Hillary Clinton is the last true hawk left in the race."

That's why militarists like Robert Kagan, Max Boot, and a lot of the Weekly Standard crowd will vote for Hillary. It's also why I will not. The Democrats can't keep moving to the right and expect to get the votes of the left. There has to be a limit to this bullshit.

  

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40. "that marine recruiter story sounds like the most clintonian shit ever"
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"In 1975, the year she married Bill Clinton, she stopped in at a Marine recruiting office in Arkansas to inquire about joining the active forces or reserves. She was a lawyer, she explained; maybe there was some way she could serve. The recruiter, she recalled two decades later, was a young man of about 21, in prime physical condition. Clinton was then 27, freshly transplanted from Washington, teaching law at the University of Arkansas in Fayetteville and wearing Coke-bottle eyeglasses. “You’re too old, you can’t see and you’re a woman,” he told her. “Maybe the dogs will take you,” he added, in what she said was a pejorative reference to the Army."

it's like the perfect made up story that covers so many bases. Dedication and willingness to put a lucrative career and new marriage aside to defend her country, respect for the military.. on the flipside it covers sexism, and ageism.

unlike 'sniper fire' there's no real way to prove it didn't happen. her pops was in the navy so she can cite that as kind of cover. even Bill bungling the story isn't enough.

all i can say is i believe it sounds like bullshit

  

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51. "You left out the most Clintonian part of it all"
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You left out the best part of that story:

"During those days, she recalls, female faculty members, as an exercise, would test the boundaries of careers that appeared closed to women. “I don’t think it’s made up,” she says. “It was consistent with something she would have done.”"


Straight up making up the story would be, well not that slick. Actually going to a recruiter with no plans to actually join just to have a good story to tell, that would be Clintonian slickness.



> "In 1975, the year she married Bill Clinton, she stopped in
>at a Marine recruiting office in Arkansas to inquire about
>joining the active forces or reserves. She was a lawyer, she
>explained; maybe there was some way she could serve. The
>recruiter, she recalled two decades later, was a young man of
>about 21, in prime physical condition. Clinton was then 27,
>freshly transplanted from Washington, teaching law at the
>University of Arkansas in Fayetteville and wearing Coke-bottle
>eyeglasses. “You’re too old, you can’t see and you’re
>a woman,” he told her. “Maybe the dogs will take you,”
>he added, in what she said was a pejorative reference to the
>Army."
>
>it's like the perfect made up story that covers so many bases.
>Dedication and willingness to put a lucrative career and new
>marriage aside to defend her country, respect for the
>military.. on the flipside it covers sexism, and ageism.
>
>unlike 'sniper fire' there's no real way to prove it didn't
>happen. her pops was in the navy so she can cite that as kind
>of cover. even Bill bungling the story isn't enough.
>
>all i can say is i believe it sounds like bullshit


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45. "the fuck are you talking about. we been on that. "
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52. "You've "been on" an article that came out this Sunday?"
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My original post I never said that no one was talking about her hawkishness, I said yall would be talking about this article.


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48. "man, i BEEN saying my two biggest problems w/ her..."
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is her ties to corporate interest (i'm not even talking about the banks and shit, i'm talking about muhfuckas who take their money offshore - which she facilitated through policy - and fleece the US Govt of tax revenue, who give her millions in contributions) AND her hawkishness, especially when it comes to Israel & the Middle East (and she has rich Jewish backers giving her millions to make sure she stays anti-Muslim in her actions and thus, pro-Israel).

i mean, she's really the best Republican candidate if it wasn't for the social issues, but she's only so left socially because of Bernie and when he gets out of the way she'll move back right a bit.

  

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50. "^^^^^^^^^^^^^"
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53. "c'mon bro - you responded to this very post!"
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13003579&mesg_id=13003579&page=

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112. "Where did I say this article was Brand New News?"
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My point is that this article strongly supports the biggest concern any personally currently a Hillary fan should have.

If I were the Bernie Bros, I would be pointing to this article to support their position more than those clearly on an agenda Altnews articles they post.



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54. "^^^^^^^"undecided Democrat"^^^^^^"
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Not that you are, but this clearly shows you haven't been paying attention haha

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55. "These young turk niggas are nuts lmfao"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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56. "I haven't checked them out in a min. But I appreciate their blatant bias..."
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They don't even attempt to hide it

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58. "Watching right now. They're fucking lunatics."
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Right now they're arguing that if Obama had only fought harder and been a "real progressive" in 2008 we could have passed a Medicare for all plan. It's just mindless entertainment. (Entertainment that happens to be damaging to progressive goals.)

  

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61. "theyve gotten annoying. especially the chick."
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131. "Jimmy Dore is (or at least sounded as such). The rest are fair."
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I do think that they avoid pointing the finger at the electorate more than they should.

  

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57. "#biggerthanbernie "
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ceu1B1UXIAAc3xy.jpg


http://inthesetimes.com/features/bernie_sanders_democrats_political_revolution_candidates.html


THE OTHER PROGRESSIVE CHALLENGERS TAKING ON THE DEMOCRATIC ESTABLISHMENT
BY CHRISTOPHER HASS
“TODAY,” BERNIE SANDERS BOOMS IN HIS MONOTONE SHOUT, “we begin a political revolution to transform our country—economically, politically, socially and environmentally.” He marks each beat with his right hand, as if conducting with an invisible baton. Behind him, a lone seagull flaps its wings as it flies across Lake Champlain. The crowd of 5,000 that has come to Burlington, Vt., on a sunny afternoon in May to witness Sanders’ official campaign announcement breaks into a cheer.

At the time, it was easy to dismiss talk of revolution as the rallying cry of a 74-year-old democratic socialist who clings too dearly to memories of the 1960s. Eleven months and more than six million votes later, Sanders’ call for revolution is harder to ignore.

But what, exactly, would this political revolution look like? It’s not hard to imagine Sanders marching in the streets with the masses—he’s walked plenty of picket lines, most recently alongside Verizon workers in New York City last October—but that’s not the revolution he’s calling for. For Sanders, political revolution means shifting control of American politics away from corporate interests, convincing non-voters to go to the polls and attracting white working-class voters back to the Democratic Party, all while moving the party left enough to embrace democratic socialist policies.

A political revolution of that kind is going to require two things: a wave of candidates committed to a bold set of progressive ideas and a mass of voters with the political will to elect them. There’s evidence both of these are already here.


PROGRESSIVES ARE FIRED UP HERE FOR A VICTORY AGAINST BIG MONEY. —JAMIE RASKIN
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IN THESE TIMES SPOKE TO U.S. HOUSE AND SENATE CHALLENGERS across the country who are very much a part of this wave. They are all outsiders to varying degrees, and all of them are running against the Democratic establishment in its various forms—from corporate donors and super PACs to the head of the Democratic National Committee herself.

These challengers range from first-time candidates to experienced lawmakers, from community organizers to law professors. Each is balancing the individual concerns of the voters they seek to represent alongside the larger mood of the nation. None of them is running because of Bernie Sanders, but they clearly benefit from the enthusiasm and sense of progressive possibility his campaign has created.

It would be a mistake to call them “Sanders Democrats” (and it’s unlikely Sanders himself would want anything to do with the term). Some have endorsed Sanders, others remain neutral or even back Hillary Clinton. But they are coalescing around a set of progressive policies familiar to anyone who has heard Sanders speak, including single-payer healthcare, free college tuition, a $15 minimum wage and breaking up the big banks. It’s hard to imagine a Democratic platform more at odds with Bill Clinton’s centrist Third Way of the 1990s.

More importantly, these positions increasingly reflect the popular will. Even after the brutal battles over Obamacare, polls show that more than half of Americans support moving to a single-payer healthcare system. Fifty-eight percent want to break up the big banks. Sixty-three percent support raising the minimum wage to $15. And Americans are nearly united in agreement (78 percent) that Citizens United should be overturned.

What’s striking about recent polling, though, is not the support for these progressive policies (many have enjoyed widespread approval for a while), but the openness to new, radical ideas—especially among young voters. In a January YouGov poll, people under 30 rated socialism more favorably than capitalism. On the eve of the Iowa caucus, when asked how they describe themselves, 43 percent of Democratic caucusgoers chose “socialist.” Take a moment to let that sink in.

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE A GENERATION OF YOUNG PEOPLE whose central experiences with capitalism have been two recessions, a financial crisis, crushing college debt, flat wages and soaring income inequality. For young people, the devil they don’t know is looking better and better than the devil they do—and that sentiment is fueling insurgent challengers.

Many of these candidates continually emphasize the need to purge U.S. politics of corporate money, starting with the Democratic Party.

“It’s easy for candidates to say they’re for overturning Citizens United, but it’s really meaningless when they’re also taking so much corporate and dark money that they’ll never follow through,” says Tim Canova, who is running for Congress in Florida’s 23rd congressional district. “The Democratic Party has lost its way. It has gone corporate and Wall Street on so many issues that it has unfortunately turned its back on its own grassroots base.”

And it’s more than a matter of principle: Many of these candidates believe that voters are fed up with how the corporate capture of the party has pulled it to the right. “The Democratic Party has been Lucy with the football and the voters have been Charlie Brown,” says Tom Fiegen, a candidate for Senate in Iowa. “Democrats have pulled the football away too many times, so the voters say, ‘Nope, I am not going to be tricked again. I am not going to have you lie to me and tell me you’re on my side, and then when I send you to D.C., you vote for the TPP or you vote for the Keystone Pipeline.’ ”

Nowhere is this trust gap felt more keenly than among young voters. Sanders has won the support of young people like few politicians before. In each of the 27 states that held primaries or caucuses in February or March, he won the youth vote, often by more than 50 points. In his home state of Vermont, he defeated Hillary Clinton among voters under 29 by an overwhelming 95 percent to 5 percent.

Tom Fiegen saw how this played out in Iowa. “In the conventions I went to,” he says, “there was probably 30 to 40 years difference in age between Bernie supporters in one half of the room and Hillary supporters in the other half of the room.” Fiegen himself has endorsed Sanders, and you can hear in his voice the same passion that has animated so many young people: “We are idealists. … We want a better world. We think we can achieve it. We’re willing to basically throw our bodies in front of the bus to do that.”


THE NUMBER ONE LESSON THAT EVERYONE CAN LEARN FROM BERNIE SANDERS, AND THAT I’VE TRIED TO EMULATE, IS: TELL THE TRUTH. —TOM FIEGEN
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THE CHALLENGERS:

TIM CANOVA (FL)

DONNA EDWARDS (MD)

TOM FIEGEN (IA)

LUCY FLORES (NV)

ALAN GRAYSON (FL)

ERIC KINGSON (NY)

PRAMILA JAYAPAL (WA)

SUSANNAH RANDOLPH (FL)

JOSELINE PEÑA-MELNYK (MD)

JAMIE RASKIN (MD)
IT WOULD BE A MISTAKE TO OVERLOOK THE FACT THAT THIS YEAR’S ELECTION is playing out in a moment when protest movements have interjected themselves into the national conversation in a way we haven’t seen in a long time. Black Lives Matter, Fight for 15, the climate movement and more have demonstrated the value of setting uncompromising demands and pushing the boundaries of what is politically possible.

It’s no surprise then that some of these progressive challengers come directly out of protest movements. Pramila Jayapal, a Washington state senator running for the 7th District seat in the U.S. House of Representatives, has a long history of activism and advocacy in Seattle. She founded the post-9/11 immigrant rights group Hate Free Zone (now OneAmerica), which has held massive voter registration drives.

“The only reason I got into politics was because I believed it was another platform for organizing,” she says, “and that’s what I want to do with my congressional campaign. We’ve brought in thousands of leaders, young people and people of color and women who never saw themselves as part of democracy.”

Joseline Peña-Melnyk, who is running for Congress in Maryland’s 4th District, says: “These movements give me hope for the future of our democracy. They show that the spirit that gave rise to the civil rights movement is still alive as people take up causes that matter and challenge the status quo.”

Donna Edwards, a co-founder of the National Network to End Domestic Violence now running for Maryland’s open Senate seat, agrees. “I’ve always believed in outside movements,” she says. “Government doesn’t move effectively and elected officials don’t move effectively unless they have a big push from the outside.”

Candidates like Debbie Medina, a democratic socialist running for state Senate in New York’s 18th District, are happy to be that push. As she told The Nation, “This election is just another rent strike.”

Sanders himself is arguably the biggest protest candidate of them all. But a funny thing is happening: Many of the protest candidates are winning. By the middle of April, Sanders had won 16 states, as well as the Democrats abroad primary. Donna Edwards has led by as much as 6 points. Polls show Lucy Flores, a Sanders supporter running for Congress in Nevada, leading by 20 points. In Maryland’s 8th congressional district, Jamie Raskin’s two closest opponents are busy arguing over who’s in second place.

FOR ANY NEW PRESIDENT TO ENACT A PROGRESSIVE AGENDA, THEY’RE GOING TO NEED A NEW CONGRESS.
THE ESTABLISHMENT, HOWEVER, IS NOT GOING QUIETLY. In Florida, where Tim Canova is challenging Democratic National Committee Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz for her congressional seat, news got out in March that the Florida Democratic Party (FDP) had denied Canova’s campaign access to the party’s voter file. His supporters created an uproar; the file is crucial to any campaign’s get-out-the-vote efforts. The FDP eventually backed down in order to avoid, in the words of the state party executive director, the “appearance of favoritism,” but the policy remains in place for all other Democratic primary challengers in Florida. And not just Florida—Democratic challengers in other states are routinely denied access to this data or charged extra for it.

“The DNC and state Democratic parties must stop favoring incumbents over insurgents in Democratic primaries,” Canova says. “We need to recruit activists committed to our progressive agenda to run for office, and that includes challenging incumbent Democrats.”

Given that these candidates want to rid the party of corporate influence, it’s no surprise that many are going head-to-head with big money. In Maryland, Jamie Raskin’s two biggest challengers in the Democratic primary are a wine mogul named David Trone, who has already spent more than $5 million of his fortune on the race, and Kathleen Matthews, who once oversaw the Marriott political action committee and is now herself the recipient of more lobbyist money than any Democrat running for the House in 2016.

“My major opponents here have no real history of involvement in Democratic Party politics,” Raskin says. “They are creatures of the big money politics that have overtaken our country.” He’s won the endorsement of both liberal groups and a number of Democratic state lawmakers, and—borrowing a page from Sanders’ playbook—has relied on a surge of small-dollar donations to remain competitive. “Progressives are fired up here for a victory against big money,” Raskin says.

In Nevada, Lucy Flores faces a multi-millionaire, Susie Lee, who has loaned her own campaign $150,000. But as Jeb Bush will tell you, money alone only gets you so far, especially in a year when voters seem more interested in authenticity.

“The number one lesson that everyone can learn from Bernie Sanders,” Tom Fiegen says, “and that I’ve tried to emulate is: Tell the truth.” Donna Edwards put it this way: “We should not run away from who we are as Democrats and the values that we share. … We lose elections because our voters stay home.”

FOR A PRESIDENT SANDERS OR A PRESIDENT CLINTON TO BE SUCCESSFUL, they’re going to need voters to come out not just in November, but in 2018, 2020, and beyond. For any president to enact a progressive agenda, they’re going to need a new Congress, made up of people like Donna Edwards, Jamie Raskin, Pramila Jayapal and others.

When Barack Obama first ran for president, he spoke frequently about how his election was not about him, but us. He may have meant it, but it was hard to shake the feeling that at that moment in American history, it was in fact very much about him and the qualities he possessed. Today, when Sanders uses the same language, you believe him—if for no other reason than it’s hard to imagine a wild-haired septuagenarian in a baggy suit as the catalyst for a popular movement. Clearly, something deeper is going on.

For the most part, Sanders himself has remained focused on his own election fight with Hillary Clinton. He has avoided talk of the future. But in a recent interview with Cenk Uygur of the “Young Turks,” Sanders let his guard down for a minute, saying, “We need, win or lose for me, a political revolution which starts electing people who are accountable to the working families of this country.” There it was—“electing people,” plural, not a single president. That’s what revolution looks like.

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62. "Good for these people, seriously."
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But I hope everyone realizes: you don't enact major change by installing more hardcore progressives in already-safe Democratic districts. The way you get a revolution is by significantly changing the makeup of the Congress, and the way you do that is by winning swing districts.

The candidates who win swing districts are middle-of-the-roaders, people whom Bernie Sanders, his supporters, and most OKP's including me would often consider pretty odious. These people will be wishy washy on our hot-button issues, will vote against tax hikes, gun control, they'll even drag their feet on Supreme Court nominees. But when it matters most, the vote for speaker and the determination of the majority caucus, they'll be mildly for us instead of mildly against us. It's not more Dennis Kuciniches we need, it's more fucking Joe Liebermans.

  

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88. "lol @ "We need more Joe Liebermans""
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Blue dog Democrats like Lieberman were one of the primary reasons so little got done the last time the Dems controlled both houses of Congress. These useless RINOs helped inspire the lowest midterm voter turnouts in decades in 2010 and 2014, allowing the Republican takeover of Congress. You don't rally your troops by becoming virtually indistinguishable from your enemy. That only makes people unwilling to fight for you.

Lieberman is a monumental asshole, and has been an obstacle to progressive change throughout his career. Having a congress full of Bush Lites like him would only make the majority of Democrats stay home in disgust, allowing the Republicans to sweep Congress again.


  

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89. "The Lieberman Revolution (c) stav "
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I heard a number like 42% of voters are registered independent

not sure if that was for the acela states or nationwide

but HilDawgs want it to be one way (c)

she's getting 51% of 28% of registered Ds (an easy early critique of Trump)

That is, this is a primary in a 2 party structure

The GE is going to be a lot more complicated, IMO

i.e. Jill Stein, possible Bern independent

registered Ds and Rs could be minorities in states.

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90. "Bernie had that "Joementum!" (c) Lieberman"
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93. "Point is, if those "blue dogs" hadnt been there, "
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we wouldn't have even HAD those majorities in Congress. And then NOTHING would have gotten done. That's what the Republican sweep in 2010 was: it was us losing our swing districts.

Again, I'm not saying that conservative Democrats are good people, or even that they'll usually take the right side. But progressives need to get over this delusion that we command majority support in this country. We don't. We need to find ways to govern DESPITE an electorate that will be suspicious of us for the foreseeable future.

  

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190. "you're using "we" and "us" as interchangeable terms for progressives..."
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And Democrats

And I bet you thought no one would notice that little truck huh?

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191. "Yeah, I think I use them that way because they ARE interchangeable, "
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practically speaking, at least.

When you build an effective progressive movement in this country that's NOT built fundamentally around the Democratic party, I'll happily update my nomenclature.

I don't expect I'll have to do that anytime soon, though.

  

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223. "sad"
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59. "LOL, Trump openly calling for an Independent Sanders run. "
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Is Donald Trump an OKP?

  

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60. "I legit feel dumber after watching Trump speak"
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Like my brain gets fatigued trying to follow his winding train of thought. He can't stay on one topic for more than 30secs without jumping to sonething completely unrelated.

It's like trying to decipher Based God lyrics.

My mind needs to recover for a few minutes

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73. "Sometimes he just rambles on like a pompous rich old jewish lady"
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I listened to a couple of his speeches a few months back. He just talks about nothing, then himself, then some beautiful building or some shit, then he'll slide in "and by the way, we are gonna build a wall. It's gonna be a beautiful wall".. then he goes back to talking about nothing again...

It's pretty fascinating

  

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63. "Y'all think the Republicans are going to steal this from Trump?"
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He is running away with this thing. I think they are going to start coalescing around him.

If he was squeaking by in these states, they could try to turn some tricks at the convention. But the recent domination makes me think they can't afford to pull any shenanigans, even if he's short on delegates

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64. "Those Trump supporters will burn this motha fucka down if that happens "
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66. "Yeah, it's getting real hard to believe they'd be able to pull it away,"
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which is a bit of a shame -- Ted Cruz would be an easier candidate to beat. As terrible as the numbers still look for Trump, he's unpredictable, and he's gonna shoot to the center like a rocket while Hillary is still trying to shore up angry Sanders voters.

I don't see any reason to doubt at this point that it's Clinton vs. Trump.

  

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75. "Not gonna happen."
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It's Trump v Clinton and I fear that we're all gonna be shocked by the results.

I'm watching Van Jones on CNN right now. He sounds exactly like what I was ranting and raving about around here 6 months ago. How do you beat someone that can do no wrong and say anything with impunity? How do you defeat anti-intellectualism in an intellectual debate? How do you beat the cult of personality when charm and personality is your greatest perceived weakness?

  

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65. "Alright, Sanders supporters. Time to come the Heezus. "
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67. "more like hill-zebub."
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68. "yeah, Hillary winning states with a whopping 51%"
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of the party that has picked her to win since October, with only her party voters allowed to participate is such a rigged landslide.

43% of Americans identify as Independent. 30% Democrat, 26% Republican. Imagine how the states would have played out of those Independants (who Bernie gets 70% support from) were allowed to participate.

No Heezus yet my friend. November is coming, maybe with a 4 way race.

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69. "I look forward to your disappointment when Bernie endorses Hillary."
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Even Bernie understands the system enough to know that him running independent does nothing but nullify the general election, literally handing the election over to be decided by the House GOP.

  

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76. "this has been a trainwreck of a primary."
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I hope what Sanders understands most is that guven a fair open election he is more than likely the clear and away winner. Honestly if the establishment had it their way Sanders and Trump would be out.

A 4 way race actually helps everyone. Repubs would dillute their voter base, and Hillary and Sanders could actually duke it out on a level playing field. After the dust settles let it go to the candidate America (all of it) got to choose.

That is perfectly reasonable, and it is the Democratic process. When the narrative is so different between the 2 there is no reason to expect a Sanders supporter to just jump to Hillary's side. I want my candidate to fight til the end, and there's no reason he shouldn't in his interest. Hillary should be a better candidate. No more free Randy (c)

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79. "You do realize that Sanders is losing... "
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By a few million votes.

Say what you want about your normative arguments for Bernie, but on paper and in the voting booth, he's getting creamed. Don't tell me about polls or potential, when the runner hits the road, he's coming up short.

That's how this whole voting thing works.


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82. "the way this whole voting thing works is that"
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43% of the country doesn't get to weigh in on these primaries. It's like Lebron losing to the Warriors last year with injuries on the court but you just are like "better team won". If you really think Hillary has it clear and away then why you afraid of her running against him once the deck isn't stacked?

2.4 million votes = about 60,000 per state. She's been spotted a delegate lead, plus media coverage which has tried to coronate her since the 6 coin flips. 3 million voters kept out of the primary in NY ALONE. Stop trying to act like this has been a balanced, but EVEN WITH ALL THAT AGAINST HIM he is still winning half of the Democratic party.

Half of Dems + 70% of Independents + any Repubs running from Trump = lets see what happens.

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117. "how dare parties not leave it to people who aren't affiliated"
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With them to be able to decide the direction of the party!

And not to shyt on the young people but all that energy and twitter banging and they didn't even go to vote if they even registered at all

Bernie supporters don't have the patience for real change

They want a sexy ass 'revolution' over night neatly packaged and ready to open and roll out in November

Instant gratification while ignoring the process or just plain ignorant of it to begin with as I'm seeing in alot of pro bernie supporters

But like I keep saying Bernie has done a terrible job at explaining this kinda shyt to his supporters

Prolly in fear of dampening the enthusiasm and risking his campaign donations taking a hit

No different than a preacher in church passing the collection plate around while folk in the spirit

He just wanted to run as a bucket list after spending 25yrs in Senate accomplishing nothing




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216. "but see, that's why your argument is so bitchmade."
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So the primaries should be closed because they are running as party affiliations. Hillary is looking to be the Democratic nominee. Cool.

But she is looking to be the Democratic Nominee - for President of the UNITED STATES. So the RNC and DNC are gatekeepers to who we even choose as President? And you're ok with that?

But THAT'S not even bitchmade side of it. That comes when it comes time for the general, and people say "Bernie should run as an Independent, because the DNC closed out a lot of his supporters". NOW you want to be like "He can't run! He'd hurt our Democratic candidate!" YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS! All that is saying is "fuck any outside ideology that isn't in lock step with what we've already determine, at ANY level of the election process". That shit is WRONG, and only people who can't compete with all things being equal want to "Tiger-proof the course" when equality puts them at a disadvantage. That used to be a calling card of the Republicans - now the Democrats proudly wave that flag too.

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247. "no its bitchmade getting upset at the rules after the fact"
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That's some millenial fuk shyt

Yes I'm cool with it

Very cool

Folk who want to sit on the sideline should have no say in what direction a party goes in

U want that option then register as a member of that party and vote in people u want as a nominee

Or sit on the side and cry

Like I said before every establishment had to be established at some point

Bernie and his supporters missed a prime opportunity of doing so

Wasn't no suppression

It was people too lazy to actually go out and do d something as easy as register

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263. "125,000 REGISTERED DEMOCRATS were purged from the "
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voting ledgers in ONE borough.

Thousands of other REGISTERED DEMOCRATS had their party affiliation changed without their notice.

Thousands of new REGISTERED DEMOCRATS were sent mail notices saying that the primary had been moved to a different day.

Multiple poling places changed their open times from 6AM to 12 noon, turning away thousands of REGISTERED DEMOCRATS from placing their vote, as well as forced REGISTERED DEMOCRATS (6 of my coworkers from different parts of the city/state, but where Hillary won) to vote via provisional and affidavit ballots which have NEVER BEEN COUNTED.

Oh, and then on top of all that there are MILLIONS of Independent voters in this STATE who didn't get a vote at all in the candidates for the PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.

People of your generatiom just missed your time I guess. We went from Civil Rights to BPP to Reagan/Clinton to 2 terms of Bush on your watch. Keep telling about how it's all good and you know best. You sound mad suspect right now but party on Wayne. Enjoy Views from the 6.

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86. "Again, you don't seem to understand the significance of the 12th amendme..."
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There is no 4-way race. There is no 3-way race. A candidate needs to win more than 50% of the electors for the election to count. They don't just need to win. They need to win over 50%.

Like I tried to explain in the other thread: imagine in your partisan fever dreams that Bernie wins 45% of the electors, Hillary wins 20%, Trump wins 20%, Cruz wins 15%. An overwhelming win for Sanders? No. According to the 12th amendment if nobody crosses 50% then the top three (Sanders, Clinton, and Trump in this scenario) are entered into a runoff decided by the House of Representatives, which is overwhelmingly led by Republicans (whether you count by conventional members or by state delegations, which is actually how it's weighted). So even in this ludicrous scenario where Bernie has twice as many electors as anyone else, Trump is the winner.

There is no path for Bernie Sanders. His race is over. Even in their own postmortem press release tonight, the Sanders campaign openly admitted that their priority is no longer to win -- it's to influence the party platform. Influencing the party platform is why outsider candidates run, and it's the only goal anyone initially assumed Bernie had (including Bernie himself, if that Times piece from last month is to be believed).

  

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71. "LMAO....dis shit funny"
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78. "I wanna see it happen"
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just because America deserves it.

Everybody wanna talk about 9/11 and ISIS but not what caused either. Trump is dangerous because he's reckless, but Hillary's foreign policy mentality and regime change agenda is what weakens our security more than anything. She says single payer health care can never happen in America, and that $12 an hour would be better than $15 an hour. Those all sounds like things my boss would say and do to keep me from getting a raise I've earned.

Incremental progressivism is really holding off the angry contingent so that they don't rise up and slay the rich lol. Little appeasing gestures but no change. Not with it anymore. Canada is making much more sense right now.

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72. "Bruh, it's time to deal in facts... "
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You do realize there are folks in Bernie's ear right now telling him what he already knows...

He can't win the nomination and he can't win the presidency.

That's the truth.

Now, do you want to support someone who wants to expand healthcare access, raise the minimum wage, supports equal pay for equal work, and is fighting to protect voting rights or are you so blinded by ideological purity that you'd forsake 80% of what you want for the 20% you're not going to get this year?

Wake up and recognize who you're really fighting here. The folks who want to double-down on trickle down, who have said they think the minimum wage should be abolished, and who want to reassert the eurocentric and paternalistic power structure that we're all collectively trying to undo.

Get on board, man. There's a real enemy out there.



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80. "those thinga aren't mutually exclusive."
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He may not win the Democratic nomination, but he can be an Independent or Green Party candidate. Jill Stein is already in his ear and on Hillary's back.

This is too important tho man. A vote for Hillary is not just about conceding an election. The policies Bernie is proposing are life changing. My girl had a tumor in her foot for 12 years, undiagnosed. Her mother died from an autoimmune disease because she couldn't afford medical treatment. My mother's mother died similarly and she lost her parent at the age if 3. Hillary, I get it, you're a woman, but do these women's lives matter? Why can't the US ever have health care as a right?

My brothers aren't rich, but my nieces and nephews are brilliant. But they need to worry a out college opportunities because we haven't broken the cycle of poverty yet? Or have to go to subpar schools because of the tax revenue of their poor neighborhoods?

These policies are a moralistic line in the sand. One side left do right by all, and the other says every man for himself. With everything in me I am against that. We finally have an opportunity to do something about, and to me it aint over til it's over.

Still Bern'n bruh.

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84. "RE: those thinga aren't mutually exclusive."
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She needs to come to me, my dude.

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74. "Uh, your side lost. What part of that don't you get?"
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81. "much of my side hasn't voted at all."
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You keep acting as if everyone has weighed in. Voter turnout is still low and suppressed, and Independents largely haven't weighed in at all yet. Bernie's democratic support + Independents takes him over the top. He at worst should win the popular vote. And he may not get to 270 but let them go in a back room and come out with Hillary as the winner after he wins the popular vote. Let's get this revolution started forreal.

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83. "He's almost 3million votes behind in the popular vote... "
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Stop making excuses and recognize that your side is actually losing.

Don't be delusional or deny the math and the facts as they are.

Bernie's got support, but not enough to win. That's how this works. You present your ideas and your POV, then the people vote. The people have voted and Bernie has come up short.

DEAL WITH IT.

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85. "lol@ u bringing facts, stats and predictability into this"
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THIS IS ABOUT EMOTION, DELUSIONS AND WISHFUL THINKING

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92. "Bernie has 45% of Democrats and"
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70% of Independents.

Independents are actually the majority constituency of this country.

Those are the facts I'm looking at. Hillary's advantage has asterisks all over it.

Either way, she doesn't have my vote.

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108. "70% in what states breh?"
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Majority Independents vote either republican or democrat.

He's def not getting 70% of ALL independent votes

I mean i kno it's pointless explaining this shyt to u cause u really just ignoring all facts including the main one that Bernie isn't going to run as an independent in the 1st place.


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143. "RE: 70% in what states breh?"
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IN THE UNITED STATES nyugga

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170. "lmao nah he ain't "
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Don't know how u pulled that number out ya ass

But just cause he gets 70% of independents in Rhode Island doesn't mean that percentage transfers into nationally.

U really don't know how shyt works


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178. "43% of the COUNTRY identifies as Independent."
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Not Rhode Island.

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192. "ok and? what makes u believe 70% would vote Bern in a general?"
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U pulling shyt out ur ass or ur really confused.

Only 2 options on the table

I already know you have no poll to back up that figure.


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205. "what makes you think they wouldn't?"
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POLLS project him at 70% among Independents. Maybe because he is a lifelong Independent.

Besides, what makes you think that a group of people that looked at the Democratic and Republican parties and said, "nah, I'm going Independent" would choose the life long Independent with a progress plan, over DONALD TRUMP and HILLARY CLINTON?

That is just common sense. THIS is what happens when you have a closed primary. Your skewed perception of her lead doesn't even account for the millions of people who already voted against her in not aligning with her party! That is precisely why Democrats and Hillary Clinton have been silent on the voter disenfranchisement, voter suppression, and closed primaries, and campaign finance reform, and corporate/wall street contributions: ALL OF THAT SHIT WORKS IN THEIR FAVOR.



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249. "lol show me 1 link breh"
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What polls

Thats all I'm asking here

U seem to think Independents are like Democratic and Republican parties


Edit: u know what nevermind. Realized I been repeating myself for these last 2 primary post.

U believe what u want.

If that helps u process the inevitable then so be it

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264. "Likewise. See you in July"
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87. "Nah, I'm good."
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94. "I will hold my nose and vote"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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77. "Edwards did worse with black voters than her opponent getting white vote..."
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https://twitter.com/CNSmd/status/725144115269263360?s=09


Also, 1st time the front runners on both sides are majority unlikeable by the rest of the country


Quite pathetic



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91. "whisper of an..."
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indictment ::chuckles::

Keep pushing, Bernie. Hillary will be interviewed soon enough. There will be no more juking.

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101. "This is a near certainty"
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104. "RE: whisper of an..."
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>indictment ::chuckles::
>
>Keep pushing, Bernie. Hillary will be interviewed soon enough.
>There will be no more juking.




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107. "What's the charge? n/m"
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115. "Aggravated giving of speeches to woall shtreet."
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128. "I LOLed"
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95. "Ya'll F w/Redacted Tonight? Proof NY was rigged (vid)"
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https://youtu.be/4RRShMyi_HA

and Bern voters should support this why?

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136. "STOP MAKING SENSE FAM (c) Gay Kanye West"
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lol hillarisad

Hillarisad should also be the new name for the Hillary presidency

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96. "Any of yall getting legitimately nervous?"
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Maybe not necessarily nervous, but uneasy?

I've never paid attention to all this delegate stuff before. Seeing how delegates are breaking down, more so on the republican side, really leaves a bad taste.

I for one do not want Trump in the white house, but if the Donald is getting the popular vote for the Reps. This contested convention things is pretty shady shit.

If a fat guy falls in the woods and there is no one around to see it, do the trees laugh?

  

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97. "I want to believe Trump has no shot vs Hillary"
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I really do, but this IS America and Hillary is unlikeable and a woman.

I really don't know cause it's going to come down to a few swing states and this dude had brought a shit load of first time voters to the table.

after 8 years of Obama I can't call it.

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113. "Seriously"
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I've been taking Trump as a walking joke for the longest time. Thinking, there is no one that would vote for him.

There are though, it's nuts.

So over the weekend, this Cruz-Kasich "collusion" plan is super shady.

If anything, Trumps campaign is showing how fucked this delegate systems can be. Its one of those things, if its working for your side its fine, if not its the biggest bull shit ever.

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99. "RE: Any of yall getting legitimately nervous?"
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No...

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100. "Down to a coin flip..."
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Both are tremendously flawed candidates. Voters have psyched themselves into a bad position here.

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103. "it's wack. Trump got the votes so he should get the nod"
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anything else is bullshit. if they manage to get to the convention and take it from him, that'll be a travesty. talk about your vote not counting.

i wouldn't piss on trump if he was fire but cheating him out of the nomination is bad business...


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106. "RE: it's wack. Trump got the votes so he should get the nod"
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Actually, it's nothing new....This has happened before....Political parties are organizations.....THEY actually have the power to choose who will represent them in a Presidential election....The problem is this: The Republican party is too fractured to make such a move on Trump....Voters only pick who will come out of a primary...But it's actually the political party that chooses who will go on to the general....

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111. "Part of me thinks Trump doesn't really want the GOP nomination"
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If he gets the Republcian nom. straight up and Hilary beats him, he'll have taken a straight-up loss on the biggest stage imaginable. He'll end up like Romney.

If the GOP nominates Cruz or someone else at the convention, he'll have two paths: 1. He could run as a third party candidate, still lose, and say, "See? I would have beaten Hillary if the GOP establishment hadn't stolen the nomination from me. The game really is rigged. Buy my book and watch the new season of The Apprentice." 2. He could sit the general election out (possibly not endorsing and campaigning for Cruz or whoever), watch Cruz lose and say, "See? I would have beaten Hillary if the GOP establishment hadn't stolen the nomination from me. The game really is rigged. Buy my book and watch the new season of The Apprentice."

Both of those scenarios are preferable to Trump than taking a potentially embarassing loss.

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114. "But can he win in the general?"
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That kinda gets to me asking is anyone is feeling like, damn this guy might actually go all the way.

If a fat guy falls in the woods and there is no one around to see it, do the trees laugh?

  

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116. "No."
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He's still wildly unpopular with independents, women, and Hispanics. There aren't THAT many middle aged white men to go around.

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118. "f he gets the nomination he will say some REAL CRAZY shit"
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like some "I'm pro Nazi... women shouldn't vote or work" type shit.

but then again, I also don't know if he could say anything that would turn his core against him.

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121. "He already started sliding down the road last night"
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He came with the "If Hilary were a man, she'd only get 5% of the vote."

It's only gonna get more far out there from here.

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129. "a little bit. he's an effective con artist"
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he's gone so far off the rails that the media literally calls him "presidential" for not talking about his dick size. he's set his own bar so low that everything is an amazing improvement

he knows exactly how to play the media and people's shitty attention spans, and how to tell people he's courting whatever they want to hear. how to break complex issues down to simple, childlike solutions, but with such confidence that it hides the fact that he has hardly any understanding of these issues himself.

he has no core beliefs so he can pivot any way he wants. While Hillary may flip-flop, but she's still tethered to a Dem platform for the most part.

I mean hopefully the damage is done, and I'm wrong, but I hate how overconfident liberals are about him not being a threat.

  

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102. "I would so passionately love to see a 4-party race in the fall"
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109. "No, the duopoly will remain entrenched"
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The lack of proportional representation ensures that third parties can only make a difference at the local level. If you look at it historically, third parties in the U.S. today are vastly weaker than in the past. In the 1890s, the Populist Party had millions of followers, and almost won the presidency. The Socialist Party got mayors elected in a bunch of cities:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_elected_socialist_mayors_in_the_United_States

They got a lot of good things done at the local level, and they also almost won the governorship of California in the 1930s. The Farmer-Labor Party also got enough members elected to Congress in the 1930s to form a caucus. The Progressive Party had a shot in the 1912 and 1924 presidential races, but got wiped out in 1948.

At their best, third parties in the U.S. have succeeded in getting the major parties to incorporate elements of their platform (Populists and Progressive Republicans, the Farmer-Labor Party and Progressive Party and Roosevelt Democrats). But they never had a shot at the presidency after the 1920s.

Today, it might be possible for Socialist Alternative, the Working Families Party, or the Greens to win some local offices, and even to put pressure on Democrats at the state level. But we're very, very far from third parties making any difference at the presidential level. The only question is whether insurgencies within either party will result in a lasting realignment.

  

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119. "There's no point even having a 4-person race,"
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unless you like the idea of the race being decided by the current House of Representatives.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelfth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

If nobody wins more than 50% of the electors, then the vote is essentially meaningless.

  

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137. "I'd be for it."
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I mean if they are going to pick Hillary anyway, at least let's get Bernie with 47% of the vote, Hillary in 2nd, and the rest in sequence. I'd be happy with that. At least then it would be transparent in how the system is rigged.

Also, I think it would lay the foundation for a viable and funded third party.

That's just democracy, and the political revolution we are calling for.

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138. "repubs aint pickin hillary dawg lol"
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139. "in what universe would the House of Representatives pick Hillary?"
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141. "RE: I'd be for it."
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I think u r just trolling at this point.....House Republicans would be making that pick...U can figure out the rest....

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150. "no, not trolling. you're right "
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They could pick Trump, or Cruz/Fiorina.

But at least the people would have decided, right?

My biggest confusion is in the middle of this virtual TIE between Bernie and Hillary (all things considered) why is and has the narrative been suggesting that everyone just get out of the way and clear the road for Hillary's coronation? Play it out until the last vote is casts.

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152. "Dude, what?"
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>They could pick Trump, or Cruz/Fiorina.
>
>But at least the people would have decided, right?

How does The republican house of reps choosing the president = "the people would have decided" when you know 110% which direction they will go no matter what the voter majorities indicate?


  

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158. "that was sarcasm, but using Hillary supporter logic."
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Hillary is the clear and away winner right? Even with the vote suppressed, purged, and omitted, right? But that is "the people deciding", right? Cool.

But I mean if the DNC can slant the political landscape and "rules" to choose their nominee, why can't the Republicans use their leverage to choose the President they want?

Maybe Dems should have had people lined up to vote in Midterms and this wouldn't be a problem.

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162. "No one forced Bernie to run as a Dem"
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He was clear one of his biggest reasons for that is to not hand the election to republicans.

which is why these pipe dream hypotheticals of him running indie are pretty much pointless bubble talk.

  

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186. "If Bernie ran as an Independent he would be a virtual"
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UNKNOWN heading into the General.

He had to hijack the system to at least expose the bullshit that people are rising against. He has broken the myth of Democrats vs Republicans. Democrats are just as shady and corrupt. And we always knew it, but now it is being blasted in front of us. He had no choice, and I am glad he chose how he did.

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193. "Yes, another big reason was a larger platform"
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And even though he hasn't received much support from the party, he's not spiteful/reckless/dumb enough to blow it up. He was very clear from the beginning that running as an independent would contribute to, or even ensure republican being elected, and that's even much more the case now than it was when he said it. In no universe is Bernie going to run as an indie now, no matter how many crackpots on reddit think it's some kind of not disastrous plan.

  

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206. "so riddle me this...."
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lets say at the end of this run, Hillary is short of the magic number (not including Super Delegates), her votes lead shrinks to less than 2 million, and her delegate lead shrinks to 150:

given that as a scenario, if you are the DNC, do you still make her your candidate for the general against Donald Trump? I feel like Bernie supporters are damn near Bern or bust, and Hillary supporters are like "I'll vote for whoever the Democrat is".

If you give into and do that, you are going to split the party. Period. There is a growing contingent that is looking to change their party affiliation to Independent (even if they vote for Hillary) JUST to hold the DNC's feet to the fire on open primaries and letting them know that the people the need in midterms are up for grabs and not beholden to the Democratic Party. I feel they are going to pull a Hillary forreal, and in hindsight realize that they made a grave mistake.

But we shall see.

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214. "again with the, what if some thing that's not going to happen happens?"
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again??

  

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217. "fair enough, deflect, deflect, deflect."
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I'll ask you again in July.

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232. "if not wanting to entertain every pointless hypothetical is deflecting"
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i'll be that

  

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233. "I'll ask you again in July."
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157. "RE: no, not trolling. you're right "
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>They could pick Trump, or Cruz/Fiorina.
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>But at least the people would have decided, right?


Oh yeah...U r tripping...lol

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167. "158"
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120. "You would love the House of Reps to pick our next president?"
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So cool!

  

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154. "Their sponsors pick our prez as it is. Least this could shake things"
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156. "The house of reps would have picked Obama?"
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269. "I'm not saying that either "
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I'm just thinking, in the long run, if we fractured the 2 party system, diffused and scrambled affiliations, many needed reforms to the Democratic process could begin to take place, whether or not the oligarchs and their puppets get to pick one more president

  

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275. "So.. far right house picks far right pres who picks far right SCOTUS"
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which would mean SCOTUS is now solid right wing for the next 20-30 years no matter what.

but...yay we're finally seeing cracks in the 2 party system! Meanwhile, the hard right pres/congress/scotus, is effortlessly unraveling any inkling of progressive (but not progressive enough!") strides we've made over the last few decades, as well as easily blocking any proposal not dipped in am radio ideology.

that'll show those puppets


>I'm just thinking, in the long run, if we fractured the 2
>party system, diffused and scrambled affiliations, many needed
>reforms to the Democratic process could begin to take place,
>whether or not the oligarchs and their puppets get to pick one
>more president

  

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276. "yeah with so much at stake, all the more reason to"
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put in the guy who is actually favorable with much of the country.

Anytime I see this it looks like an endorsement for Bernie Sanders. Hillary supporters are just gonna vote for the Democrat anyway apparently. With Bernie, we all win!

Simples.

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277. "that's great except Bernie is not winning"
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he doesn't have a path to winning

I'm still voting for Bernie in the Cali primary. he's still not going to win

But the above post is where your never-going-to-happen 4 person race hypothetical leads

which is the why it was pointless to even entertain your pointless hypothetical, especially if the response is just "well if Bernie won..duh!"

  

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279. "fair enough, we'll see how it all shakes out."
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-abramson/end-of-democratic-primary-means-anyone-who-ever-wanted-to-can-now-vote-for-bernie-sanders_b_9794770.html

this article sums up my feelings best. Bernie can at least make it debatable heading into the Convention. The sentiment is that all is over and toward reconciliation, however I believe that if Hillary doesn't lock in the pledged delegate count (she would need 738 of 1243 to cross that mark) that the threat of BOB in conjunction with Sanders' impressive resume after coming up 49 points in polls from where he started is enough to leverage pledged delegates.

He is the better candidate for the general. Bernie is better than Trump, his platform is more progressive than Hillary's and accomplishes all of the goals she sets forward as well, it is back by people (a living breathing example of campaign finance reform and overthrowing campaign finance reform) and it would be a statistical tie. Hillary voters are going to vote for the Democrat anyway. Why risk splitting the party making an establishment move when you know that Bernie's brand gives you a clear majority in your party plus all of the enthusiasm to attack the mid term elections as well?

We will see though. I think Hillary falls short of the mark. But we shall see what happens in July.

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132. "RE: I would so passionately love to see Congress packed BLUE in 2018"
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and by "blue" I mean left-leaning blue, fuck the Blue Dogs

  

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122. "All Hillary has to do is..."
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...adopt some of Bernie's platform. I think I could vote for her if she did that in earnest. Whether it's universal healthcare, vowing to not escalate foreign conflicts unless provoked, make higher education "free", increase taxes more robustly on the 1%/closing tax loopholes or any of the other platforms that Bernie has put on the table. I would definitely consider voting for her. I think her ego would prevent that from happening, though.

Currently she's not reaching out to voters like myself and it's driving a wedge.

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125. "The Clintonian way is to co-opt popular shit though. "
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>I think her ego would prevent that from happening, though.

Like that's there thing.



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127. "There's truth to what you say"
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She does co-opt, as she has glommed onto the $15/HR movement as it bore fruit. It was a good photo-op with her and Cuomo. I don't know so much about these other positions. She's at the point now where she looks to be on that pivot and try to ignore "us" over here. A grave mistake if she does.

Like I said before, I don't trust ol' girl.

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160. "^^^^^^^^^^^^^"
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And I agree, and a younger me have considered voting for her.

But yet again why is it always oulling teeth with her to get her to bend to the will of the disenfranchised?

Me and my girl has a talk the other day about Hillary and her equal pay talk. She talks that into the ground (though I support it).

But actually that is a glass issue, not necessarily a gender only issue. Especially for the working class. All of them, man or woman, are making $7.25 regardless. But that is her most progressive issue. Everything else is basically "it's my turn to drive the car around the block for 8 years".

Nah.

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123. "Cruz to annouce Fiorina as his VP - Most unlikable ticket ever?"
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I get his thought process behind it ("See, if I have someone with a vagina as my running mate, women will vote for me! Because women are stupid!"), but I would have bet that after his "alliance" with Kasich, that he was position him to be the VP candidate. Ah well.

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124. "Who the hell is advising this guy?"
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I'm guessing NOBODY.

  

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she's every bit as horrible a person as he is, so it's a pretty perfect match

  

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130. "Someone help me understand why Cruz is announcing a VP this early? "
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Will this help him in any way?

Whats the point?

Who would have been the alternative?

Will she become another Palin?

If a fat guy falls in the woods and there is no one around to see it, do the trees laugh?

  

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133. "i guess he's desperate and just seeing what sticks"
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making it look like he will be the nominee. It's kind of weird, but he is Ted Cruz

He's trying to clip conservative women and play on them being turned off by how Trump did Heidi, and talked about Carly's face.

>Will she become another Palin?

She's not a dunce like Palin. She's just a vile human being. Like Cruz

  

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134. "NY Times asked the exact same question (swipe)"
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The analogy they use is that it's like a student pulling a fire alarm to avoid taking a test.

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INDIANAPOLIS — Senator Ted Cruz of Texas, desperate to alter the course of a presidential primary fight in which Donald J. Trump is closing in on victory, will announce Wednesday afternoon that Carly Fiorina will be his running mate if he wins the Republican nomination, two campaign advisers confirmed.

The move, a day after Mr. Trump scored unexpectedly wide victory margins in sweeping five East Coast states, amounts to the grandest diversionary tactic a presidential candidate can stage — or at least the grandest one available to a candidate trailing by about 400 delegates who failed to win more than 25 percent of the vote in any state on Tuesday.

Mr. Cruz’s decision to rush out a vice-presidential pick before next week’s primary in Indiana, which is becoming make-or-break for his candidacy, was the political equivalent of a student pulling a fire alarm to avoid an exam: It was certain to draw attention and carried the possibility of meeting its immediate goal, but seemed unlikely to forestall the eventual reckoning.

Still, for Mr. Cruz, it could serve to shift the focus away from Mr. Trump’s success and from his own wheezing alliance with Gov. John Kasich of Ohio, who agreed to clear out of Indiana if Mr. Cruz withdrew from competition in Oregon and New Mexico. And since endorsing Mr. Cruz last month, Mrs. Fiorina, the former presidential candidate and Hewlett-Packard chief executive, has proved to be an eager surrogate, attacking both Mr. Trump and Hillary Clinton with zeal.

The announcement was prompted by the same countervailing forces that pushed Mr. Cruz to strike the nonaggression pact with Mr. Kasich on Sunday: Mr. Cruz’s polling in Indiana showed him down double-digits in Indiana last week, according to two Republicans familiar with the findings. He has edged closer to Mr. Trump in nightly surveys this week, but remains behind.

“If the election were held today, we’d lose but not get crushed,” said a Republican familiar with Mr. Cruz’s polling.

What is striking, though, is that Mr. Cruz decided to tap Mrs. Fiorina even after his own surveys indicated she would offer only a modest boost. In Indiana and subsequent states, Mr. Cruz’s campaign tested the impact if Mr. Cruz named Mrs. Fiorina as his running mate and found it was only worth “a couple of points,” said a Republican briefed on the polling results. “Voters like her. They don’t love her,” said this Republican, who insisted on anonymity to discuss the decision-making.

Yet Mr. Cruz’s gambit may present a perilous challenge for Mr. Trump, who faces mounting criticism for his derisive remarks about women, including his repeated claims that Mrs. Clinton’s sole political asset is “the woman’s card.”

Already viewed unfavorably by a majority of women in general election polls, Mr. Trump has clashed savagely with Mrs. Fiorina in the past. He has mocked her business record, her voice and even her looks. “Look at that face,” Mr. Trump said in an interview with Rolling Stone magazine last summer. “Would anyone vote for that?”

Another slashing comment directed at Mrs. Fiorina’s appearance or gender could have grave consequences for Mr. Trump, especially with female voters he would need to win over to compete in the fall.

Current and former advisers to Mr. Trump said he has long found Mrs. Fiorina an agitating presence and described her in public and private as an unworthy opponent with dubious business credentials. And Mr. Trump has repeatedly disregarded advisers who urged him steer clear of conflict with a comparatively obscure rival, no matter how fervent his distaste for her.

Sam Nunberg, a former Trump aide who was dismissed from the campaign last summer, said Mr. Trump’s advisers warned him that his treatment of Mrs. Fiorina would be perceived as a test of his discipline for the general election.

“We had already anticipated that there would be attacks of sexism, that there would be attacks that you don’t respect women,” Mr. Nunberg said, paraphrasing the Trump campaign’s counsel to the candidate. “This was a major test to show you can compete as a presidential candidate.”

Mr. Nunberg added, “Unfortunately, Donald failed that test miserably.”

For Mr. Cruz, the drawbacks to naming Mrs. Fiorina are many: A pick designed to change momentum in a primary could prove less than optimal for a general election. Voters might find it presumptuous for a candidate to name his prospective running mate while trailing by several hundred delegates.

Then there are the taunts from Mr. Trump. “He’s wasting his time,” the front-runner told reporters Tuesday night, when asked about Mr. Cruz’s preparations for a possible selection.

On Wednesday, Mr. Trump responded dismissively to reports of a Cruz-Fiorina ticket: On Twitter he posted a clip of Mrs. Fiorina on television, earlier in the campaign, calling Mr. Cruz a politician who “says whatever he needs to say to get elected.” (A “super PAC” supporting Mr. Kasich circulated a memo listing Mrs. Fiorina’s past criticisms of Mr. Cruz in greater detail.)

For those inclined to cast Mr. Cruz’s hard-charging Senate tenure as a triumph of principle, the selection and its unusual timing could register as the kind of unconventional move of a Republican who has made a career of bucking the party’s establishment.

But among Republicans in Washington, where skirmishes with Mr. Cruz have focused more often on tactics than policy substance, the maneuver appeared likely to reinforce the perception among his detractors that he is cynical and calculating.

Either way, in Mrs. Fiorina, Mr. Cruz has turned to a credible outsider and an expert attack dog who has sparred often with the senator’s rivals in both parties.

She will surely be deployed in California, where the June 7 primary could determine whether Mr. Trump captures the delegates needed to clinch the nomination before the convention. Mrs. Fiorina has statewide political experience there, having been the Republican nominee against Senator Barbara Boxer in 2010. Her connections with the sort of party activists likely to vote in the primary there could give Mr. Cruz a valuable surrogate in the weeks leading up to it.

She did, however, lose her one California campaign by 10 points and has since left the state to live in the Virginia suburbs of Washington.

Mindful of the gender gap often evident in Mr. Trump’s polling, Cruz allies hope that Mrs. Fiorina will prove a capable foil to him, as she did while besting him in a series of debate exchanges during her own candidacy.

In recent weeks, she has again relished the role, disparaging Mr. Trump in interviews and urging him to “man up” and debate Mr. Cruz head-to-head. She has also shown a habit of answering questions addressed to Mr. Cruz at news conferences, interjecting to sing his praises or defend his actions.

In the past, though, Mrs. Fiorina has chafed at being described as vice-presidential material. Last year, she called it “sexist” that she was often asked whether she was running for president in the hopes of being chosen as someone’s running mate.

More recently, she had hedged when asked about her interest. As Mrs. Fiorina sat beside Mr. Cruz for a Fox News interview last month, the Texas senator was asked whether he would consider Mrs. Fiorina for the role. A live audience cheered, and Mrs. Fiorina answered before Mr. Cruz could.

“Let’s win the nomination first,” she said.

Mr. Cruz’s selection of Mrs. Fiorina was also reminiscent of a candidate whom he revered. In his 1976 primary against President Gerald R. Ford, Ronald Reagan — lagging and needing to change the subject — announced his choice of a running mate before the Republican convention.

The gamble paid off in the short term. His selection of Senator Richard S. Schweiker of Pennsylvania led the evening news, slowed the news media’s rush to declare Ford the presumptive nominee and allowed Reagan to continue wooing delegates.

But Reagan’s announcement came after the primaries had ended, not with 10 states remaining, and he was closer behind Ford in the delegate count than Mr. Cruz is today to Mr. Trump. Mr. Schweiker carried the promise of winning over a clear constituency, the Pennsylvania delegation, while it is unclear which voters Mrs. Fiorina could deliver.

And Reagan still lost to Ford.

  

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135. "He desperately needs a news cycle."
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I think that's all it is.

He probably also wants a more convincing argument that he'd do better against Hillary than Trump would. And to Republicans who actually think "the womans card is all Hillary has", this might help make that case.

  

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140. "RE: He desperately needs a news cycle."
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^^^^^Correct answer....

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144. "Yep"
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It'll probably have an impact on his horrible Cruz v Hillary polls. He needs to raise those numbers in having any hopes of a brokered convention nomination.

  

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145. "In that case, he would have been better off picking Kasich as VP"
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We all know VP picks don't **really** effect the outcome, but at least Kasich would have appeal to a few important states that the GOP needs to swing in order to win. Better than trying to chase the Women's vote that they won't get.

The GOP already tried Palin, who at least the regular Republican Joe and Jane in the south and midwest could relate (down home folks, loves beer and guns, at one point vaguely attractive). Fiorina is going to remind Republican voters in the heartland of the cold-hearted corporate boss that laid them off.

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147. "Picking Kasich would hurt him with the people who like him"
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Cruz is the far right's darling. They love him so much because he refuses to "sell out" like all these other so-called true conservatives who get elected and get sucked up by the establishment.

Picking Kasich would be contrary to who he is. With Fiorina he maintains his credibility with them. He gets an outsider and a woman.

In the eyes of Cruz and his ilk, it's the establishment who needs to fall in line and not the other way around


  

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159. "Carli is from Cali so he's trying to steal those votes"
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Cut Trump off at the pass but I don't think it'll work
Trump is campaigning on everything Carli was for (OUTSOURCING JOBS OVERSEAS)

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161. "Yeah, Fiorina isn't cutting any ice in Cali. Neither is Trump"
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Fiorina's 2010 senate bid went down in flames. She's the poster child for corporate down-sizing.

Nobody is fucking with Trump out here either. Too traditionally Democrat. Too many women, Hispanics, and Asians.

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169. "I'm talking Primary. And Cali voted in Tha Termanata"
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>Nobody is fucking with Trump out here either. Too
>traditionally Democrat. Too many women, Hispanics, and
>Asians.


So don't say what yall won't do.

Besides, get off that women tip.
You see yesterday's numbers of Trump women?
Forget what the polls say, look at what happens in the ballot box.

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181. "Terminata got elected during a recall with a six-week cycle"
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Ran as a moderate. Pro-choice, social liberal/fiscal conservative. Fiorina is none of those things, and has already lost here, big.


>Besides, get off that women tip.
>You see yesterday's numbers of Trump women?
>Forget what the polls say, look at what happens in the ballot
>box.

How many times do we have to go over this? Trump is getting a decent percentage of Republican primary voters, the most conservative out there. Most women aren't Republicans. Especially in California.

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184. "Let's stick to primary as we don't know who will be around after July"
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>Ran as a moderate. Pro-choice, social liberal/fiscal
>conservative. Fiorina is none of those things, and has already
>lost here, big.


Arnold got RE-ELECTED in 06
That means it wasn't a fluke.


>How many times do we have to go over this? Trump is getting a
>decent percentage of Republican primary voters, the most
>conservative out there. Most women aren't Republicans.
>Especially in California.

How many staunch Democratic women switch sides to ANY GOP candidate?
It rarely happens.
So it's not expected for Trump.
Trump needs to win independents, moderates and politically bicurious folks.

Cali usually goes Dem for the POTUS anyway
At least the last 6 elections have went that way

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142. "That Trump Effect (Latinos running to get registered---SWIPE)"
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I mean, this is what we should all expect from a general election.....Demographics are great for Trump in a primary...In the general though? Not so much...

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Hispanic voter registration spikes

By Rafael Bernal - 04/27/16 01:14 PM EDT
Registration among Hispanic voters is skyrocketing in a presidential election cycle dominated by Donald Trump and loud GOP cries to close the border.

Arturo Vargas, executive director of the National Association of Elected and Appointed Officials, projects 13.1 million Hispanics will vote nationwide in 2016, compared to 11.2 million in 2012 and 9.7 million in 2008.

Many of those new Hispanic voters are also expected to vote against Trump if he is the Republican nominee, something that appears much more likely after the front-runner’s sweeping primary victories Tuesday in five East Coast states.

A whopping 80 percent of respondents in a poll of registered Hispanic voters in Colorado and Nevada said Trump's views on immigration made them less likely to vote for Republicans in November. In Florida, that number was 68 percent.

The figures are sparking confident tones from Democrats, who think their party’s nominee will benefit from a huge advantage in the fall not only in the presidential race but also in battles for the House and Senate.

Because of the contrast between the GOP and Democratic fields, “we feel absolutely confident about our chances of electing Democrats up and down the ballot in November,” said Walter Garcia, western regional communication director for the Democratic National Committee.

Many of the newly registered Hispanic voters are in California and Texas, relatively safe states for Democrats and Republicans, respectively.

In fact, because so many Hispanic voters live in those states, the effect of the rising registration numbers will be somewhat undercut, according to Vargas.

Still, rising registration rates among Hispanics in Colorado, Florida and Nevada could make it easier for the Democratic candidate to retain those swing states. Even Arizona could be in play, say some poll watchers.

Registration is a game-changer with Hispanic voters.

Only about 48 percent of eligible Hispanics vote, but nearly 80 percent of registered Hispanics go to the ballot box.

Democrats have already targeted Colorado, Florida and Nevada with at least $15 million for Hispanic outreach, according to Vargas.

In Colorado, where 15 percent of eligible voters are Hispanic, the demographic has already shown its ability to flip elections.

The 2016 Colorado Democratic caucuses were one of the first big tests for presidential candidate Bernie Sanders against rival Hillary Clinton. With nearly 30,000 newly registered voters and strong support from Hispanic millennials, Sanders beat Clinton by more than 20,000 votes.

President Obama won 51.5 percent of the vote in Colorado in 2012, compared to 46 percent for GOP nominee Mitt Romney. In Nevada, Obama won 52 percent of the vote to Romney’s 46 percent.

Arizona has been a relatively safe state for Republicans in recent presidential elections, but Democrats have long wondered if they could make it competitive.

Romney won 53.5 percent of the vote there in 2012, Obama 44.5 percent.

David Lublin, professor of government at American University, describes Arizona as “the sort of state that if Clinton starts moving into landslide or big-win territory, she could win.”

Yet the real danger for Republicans could be down the ballot — particularly in the battle for the Senate, where longtime Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) could be a target.

Obama won 74 percent of the Hispanic vote in 2012, according to exit polls by NBC.

A Democrat in 2016 would likely depend on larger Hispanic turnout and a larger share of the white vote to win the state.

Romney hurt himself with Hispanic voters in 2012 by suggesting that undocumented workers self-deport. He moved to the right on immigration and border security in the primary and was relatively quiet on the issue in the general election.

Both parties think Trump’s rhetoric, which has included insults directed at Mexicans and a plan to build a wall on the border and make Mexico pay for it, could be more difficult to overcome in a general election.

Trump has "motivated Latino voters," said Rep. Norma Torres (D-Calif.)

Immigration was shown by an America's Voice/Latino Decisions poll to be the primary issue driving Hispanics away from Republican candidates in 2016.

However, Hispanic voters nationally said the most important issue facing the country is the economy.

Ruth Guerra, Republican National Committee director of Hispanic media, gives little credence to the polls: “Not only is Latino Decisions on Hillary Clinton’s payroll, they have proven to be inaccurate time and again, so we will take their results in context.”

She also criticized Clinton, the likely Democratic nominee, on immigration issues, accusing her of thinking Hispanics would have “amnesia.”

She noted that Clinton was opposed to giving drivers licenses to undocumented workers as a senator from New York but has now reversed her position.

“Clinton’s flip flops and hypocrisy on immigration are a mile long because she will tell voters anything to win an election,” Guerra said.

A win by a Democrat presidential candidate in Florida, Colorado and Nevada would make it very difficult for a GOP candidate to reach 270 electoral votes and win the White House.

In fact, Democrats could actually lose the swing state of Ohio but win Pennsylvania or Wisconsin and get to 270 — simply by holding other states that have voted for the Democratic nominee in presidential elections for the last six cycles.

Jon Ralston, a veteran Nevada political journalist who is not surprised by the numbers, said, “The real problem is that Trump, and, to a lesser degree, Cruz, will drive up Hispanic turnout against Republicans."

He said the only path for the GOP nominee to the White House in such a situation would be to win more white votes.

Ralston described this as “a path we have never seen before. Huge increase in white vote.”

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278. "nah, just shows how the Latino population is growing fast as hell"
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148. "Most solid argument for Bernie I've seen yet."
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http://www.collegehumor.com/video/7037089/why-bernie-sanders-is-actually-winning

  

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149. "they made a video of my facebook feed"
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>
>http://www.collegehumor.com/video/7037089/why-bernie-sanders-is-actually-winning
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151. "hahaha"
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155. "cute, but this shit is a virtual tie at this point."
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And if he sticks through to the end as he says he will Hillary's margin will only be slimmer. She does not have my vote. It would be the first election since eligible that I wouldn't participate in. But something's gotta give. Either Bernie or Green Party/Independent. DNC gets the bolsack.

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163. "Yeah, virtual tie. Funny that he's laying off staff, though. "
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http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/sanders-campaign-begins-laying-off-staff-222552

  

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175. "he went from 3% to leading in national polls"
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as a virtual unknown against a candidate know for 20+ years.

This shit really feels like Head of State with Chris Rock. This dude comes out of left field and tried to ruin it for Sharon Stone's cousin. Bernie has made this a legit race, and if all things were equal I think he would be ahead. People keep saying he is not a true Democrat, and yet he's pulled 45% of Democrats. But he can't pull 70% of Independents who know him? This shit is a virtual tie. I have voted in every election I was eligible for, but I may sit this one out. Or write in Bernie. Or join a massive transference of registration to the Independent Party. And if I don't bounce to Canada I'll probably run for some office. The Democratic party as you know it is done-zo.

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164. "Stravs is really a gracious winner & a good sport, congrats Champ "
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168. "Thanks. I'll admit, I'm a good guy. "
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Don't feel bad, though. Your candidate came really close to setting back progress for decades on all the issues he claims to care about.

  

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171. "#NoWeCant #ChangeIsTooHard #WhyTry "
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172. "speaking of which, peep this:"
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http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/22/pf/college/detroit-tuition-free-college/index.html

So 2 weeks after Hillary spoke about how "lofty" and "idealistic" Bernie's policies are, broke ass Detroit rolls out free community college to high school seniors.

How long before the "I have always been a strong supporter and committed to free college....." from Shillary?

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173. "Uhh, she's supported free community college from the beginning."
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Which makes sense, since it's also President Obama's proposal, and therefore pretty standard Democratic party stuff. He even argued for it in a State of the Union address.

Have you been paying attention to the actual platforms?

  

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177. "her stance is more affordable college."
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Bernie's is free community college and state universities.

Pretty cut and dry. If she IS for it then she should have agreed with him. Instead she dismissed him to discredit his narrative and has convinced millions of people that we can't achieve what has been laid out in his platform.

We are talking about Hillary, not Obama. She will be judged on what SHE says and does, not her associations.

Stop acting like her album gonna be fie cause she had Obama in the room.

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182. "Her stance is free community college, among other things."
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https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/college/

From the very first bullet point: "Students at community college will receive free tuition."

>Bernie's is free community college and state universities.

Indeed. Hillary, like all mainstream Democrats, is openly supporting free community college tuition, and has done for years.

Bernie is adding, on top of that, free tuition at public universities, which increases the cost enormously.

>Pretty cut and dry.

Yes, pretty cut and dry. She has been on record for years supporting exactly the policy you mentioned. And you were too poorly informed to know about it.

  

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185. "wow, this has changed."
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I read her site before I made my first Bernie contribution and it used to be much more vague than this.

interesting though, her plan costs $35 billion a year (without Bernie's aggressive taxation), but for twice that we could expand the program and include 4 year state colleges and universities?

Is this more of that $12 is > $15 pragmatism? Or more "single payer will never happen" but "I've always been for it in case it happens"?

It is not the same stance. Her policies are only limited because she refuses to aggressively tax the people who have PAID HER not to do so. With less revenue you have to be less ambitious.

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196. "Let me get this right, Yall get mad when Hillary adopts positions"
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that your candidate introduced (allegedly)?

What part of the game is that?

That just seems like not seeing the forest for the trees to me.



>Bernie's is free community college and state universities.
>
>Pretty cut and dry. If she IS for it then she should have
>agreed with him. Instead she dismissed him to discredit his
>narrative and has convinced millions of people that we can't
>achieve what has been laid out in his platform.
>
>We are talking about Hillary, not Obama. She will be judged on
>what SHE says and does, not her associations.
>
>Stop acting like her album gonna be fie cause she had Obama in
>the room.
>
>


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197. "nah, they get mad when Hillary fans bash Bernie's lofty goals"
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but when Hillary jumps on board all a sudden it's possible.

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202. "I wouldn't bash his goals. Just his ability to pull it off. "
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Also there is a difference between saying I am going to make free education happen and saying I support free education.




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210. "yeah, one is policy and the other is pandering."
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it costs her nothing to say these things.

Bernie's plan is $70 billion for free tuition to community colleges and state/public colleges and universities. He pays for it with an aggressive Wall Street speculation tax.

Hillary's plan is $35 billion for free tuition, but only to community colleges. But she's also not going to raise taxes, and is "committed" to holding wall street accountable.

So essentially she is "pragmatic" because her plan costs less, even though it also covers less, and also generates less revenue to pay for it. Why? Because she won't go after wall street. She has been picked and paid not to.

So miss me with "what Bernie can achieve" vs "what Hillary can get done". Hillary doesn't compromise. She gets exactly what her constituency wants. And they want the ACA vs single payer, THEY want $12 an hour instead of $15 an hour, THEY want less wall street regulation and taxation, THEY want privatized public schools.

We you ACTUALLY look at her stances, it really is quite disgusting.

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225. "Well the major differences between the those two plans is..."
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One will likely happen. The other is pie in the sky. Like that Revolution Bernie was spose to be leading.



>it costs her nothing to say these things.
>
>Bernie's plan is $70 billion for free tuition to community
>colleges and state/public colleges and universities. He pays
>for it with an aggressive Wall Street speculation tax.
>
>Hillary's plan is $35 billion for free tuition, but only to
>community colleges. But she's also not going to raise taxes,
>and is "committed" to holding wall street accountable.
>
>So essentially she is "pragmatic" because her plan costs less,
>even though it also covers less, and also generates less
>revenue to pay for it. Why? Because she won't go after wall
>street. She has been picked and paid not to.
>
>So miss me with "what Bernie can achieve" vs "what Hillary can
>get done". Hillary doesn't compromise. She gets exactly what
>her constituency wants. And they want the ACA vs single payer,
>THEY want $12 an hour instead of $15 an hour, THEY want less
>wall street regulation and taxation, THEY want privatized
>public schools.
>
>We you ACTUALLY look at her stances, it really is quite
>disgusting.
>
>


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271. "the revolution is happening, or have you not looked outside?"
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The Democratic party is done.

Bern supporters at minimum are supporting a third progressive party. That at worst will take Democrats from 30% of America to about 26% of America, putting them on equal footing at the Republicans. Once we galvanize with other Independents we will have a healthy majority and tear up the midterm elections. 2020 will have an entirely different tone to it.

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180. "quick quiz: name everything a sitting president gave lip service to"
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In a state of the Union address that they never had any intention of actually fighting for

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183. "Oh, so you actually think Bernie would have done more than Obama"
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under those circumstances.

That's so cute.

  

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188. "i think he would at least try, yes "
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Successful or not I think he would fight for it

But maybe he's just another politician & I've been duped, should learned my lesson with BO...fool me twice & all that...

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195. "RE: i think he would at least try, yes "
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>Successful or not I think he would fight for it
>
>But maybe he's just another politician & I've been duped,
>should learned my lesson with BO...fool me twice & all that...

U may as well not even deal with politics....Because if Obama completely let u down then I don't think any Democratic President will do right by u, homie...

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203. "some of y'all democrats sure don't care about democracy "
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207. "RE: some of y'all democrats sure don't care about democracy "
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Nah...we just realize that politics is REALLY messy...In order for legislation to get passed a lot of things have to go right...U have to have control of Congress...And at times even that's not enough (see Obama's Health Care bill, which was celebrated but had a lot of the air taken out of it because compromises had to be made even as the Dems controlled both the House and Senate....)

I realize that on both sides (Right and Left) there are hardcore ideologues that are pretty much all or nothing....But if that's the mindset u have then, yes, u will probably think that Obama's Presidency was a failure...On the real, there are some things I was not riding with Obama on: his handling of free speech and the press; his at times too loose approach to Drones....How he came late to party with drug sentencing reform....

But I can still see that he pulled off some things that were quite impressive given the current polarizing political climate....All good...different strokes, I guess...

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220. "no, Dems partied in 2008 and stayed home in 2010."
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2008 didn't give a full advantage, and Republicans philibustered thing to a halt.

2010 Dems didn't show up and we lost the majority, and they've been running the clock out on his administration ever since. "Democrats" will never solve our problems. Ever. It will take progressive people and an active electorate to do any of that.

Instead you want to elect Shillary because she can "get things done" in a corrupt system. Don't fix the system, just let the devil run hell.

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224. "and I say GOD DAMN"
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> Don't fix the system, just let the
>devil run hell
>

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227. "RE: no, Dems partied in 2008 and stayed home in 2010."
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>Instead you want to elect Shillary because she can "get things
>done" in a corrupt system. Don't fix the system, just let the
>devil run hell.
>
>mmKay bruh. mmk.


U got the wrong dude homie....I keep telling y'all. I'm pretty cold and calculating in terms of my reasons for voting for Clinton....

I don't think she's perfect...I don't think she has no flaws...I know she's a straight up politician...

I also believe that given that she has already gone through the ringer with the media and Republican opposition, Clinton has a better chance in a general election AND she will pretty much carry on the bulk of Obama's platform....

It's not so much about fixing the system...It's HOW will u fix the system. If u truly want a REAL revolution u have to work outside of politics....Running for President is not the lane for revolution...Even Obama found that out with his whole HOPE AND CHANGE message...

To me the real way to change the system is voting in local elections....But that's another talk...

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252. "Who are you voting FOR in local elections?"
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I get it, Murph, you want to put Hillary in just to maintain. We hungry out 'chere right now. We need bigger change. Bernie is sparking the flame beneath as well. He's inspiring people to run in local government right now. He is the true successor to Obama in that he's carrying that torch for change. Folks like yourself are just dousing that flame. You really think you're helping, huh? You're not.

For reference:
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/bernie-sanders-progressives-fundraising-221887

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265. "the energy of Bernie's supporters is being"
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Cultivated OUTSIDE of the establishment. That is the whole point. Making the Democratic party accountable or breaking away our support. That is the point.

You sound like you feel the NYPD woulf be more apt to fixing police brutality because they are "in the process". Cool. Even with systematic change, I would add a new police commissioner with blood on their hands because they've had a "change of heart". Talk is cheap. And we can do better. If you prefer Hillary then that is totally your decision. And you have been totally empowered to levy that decision. That is not the case for all Americans. But if you are complicit with those facts then more power to you. She is certainly your candidate. Not mine.

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174. "(double post)"
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179. "does she pay you $12 or $15 an hour to troll?"
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8)

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189. "#TrollFor15"
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165. "Clinton paying trolls to attack criticism via David Brock's PAC"
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"Many moons ago, David Brock, now the head of a Hillary Clinton Super PAC, used every resource available to ruin the life of Anita Hill and anyone who supported her. He would lie, cheat, and blatantly misrepresent facts if it meant getting Clarence Thomas through the Supreme Court nomination process. Brock openly admitted it

As head of the Correct The Record Super PAC for Hillary Clinton, David Brock has launched something called Barrier Breakers — an online mob of paid trolls designed to attack any and every person who says one cross word about Hillary Clinton on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Reddit, or elsewhere."

Welp. At least we know how stravinskian pays his bills now.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/king-hillary-clinton-paying-trolls-attack-people-online-article-1.2613980

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166. "yaaay Feminism!"
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Oh wait.

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176. "I wish! No, I'm paid by the fluoridation lobby,"
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which is actually pretty broke. I wish I could get into that big superpac money.

>Welp. At least we know how stravinskian pays his bills now.

  

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187. "Bernie begins to layoff hundreds of staffers "
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Via a 5 minute conference call done by Jeff Weaver

They were promised work up until the convention

Damn

Bernie couldn't even conduct it himself

Sheeesh

I seemed your trueeee colorssss...shining thruuuu


http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/sanders-campaign-begins-laying-off-staff-222552

#feelthebern


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208. "he is concentrating his efforts in the last key states."
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that is strategy. His influence is already deep. I don't think he anticipated the way of suppression of the DNC against their own candidate, but it wouldn't be prudent to allocate his resources that way. You may not wish to pay attention to him but he is in this to win it and the Democratic nominee. It will only be emboldened if he can lock down a few more key states and keep Hillary short.

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209. "he is concentrating his efforts in the last key states."
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that is strategy. His influence is already deep. I don't think he anticipated the way of suppression of the DNC against their own candidate, but it wouldn't be prudent to allocate his resources that way. You may not wish to pay attention to him but he is in this to win it and the Democratic nominee. It will only be emboldened if he can lock down a few more key states and keep Hillary short.

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243. "ruthless capitalist restructures workforces "
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laying off hundreds of low-wage employees to grow more competitive

Lulz

#feelthebern

Bruh it's a wrap

Make all the excuses u want

The facts r

To date: Hillary has won 12,135,109 votes

that is 2,078,419 more than Trump

3.2 Million more than Bernie


Yes Hillary suppressed 3 million people from voting for Bernie

Lol

Won't even bring in the delegate count cause I already know the excuses for that

He's not in it to win it anymore

That's what hes telling yal so yal don't stop sending money

Either way it's a wrap

No 3rd party run

Just all this support that's going to slowly fade away because he was too self serving to lay a foundation for a real revolution






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194. "Parting shot against Bernie Bros "
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Classic Bernie Bro moment.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2016/04/11/what_we_talk_about_when_we_talk_about_bernie_bros.html

I'll be glad if we are done with this sort of racist condescending bullshit.

Legsdiamond, defend this shit.


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198. "lmao, why would i defend that? "
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I'm not like yall, I don't defend dumb shit just cause I like a candidate.

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200. "i just caught the holy ghost off this sentence. "
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>I'm not like yall, I don't defend dumb shit just cause I like
>a candidate.
>
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201. "Salute. "
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211. "^^^^^^^^^^"
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213. "*burns slow to this reply*"
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Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

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204. "So, I watched the video..."
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The article is saying that he wouldn't wag his finger at a white man and challenge the competency of his questionable statement/understanding? I think that's a stretch.

She tried to talk over him while he was making a point and she was parroting the same talking point about how Bernie didn't lay out his plan succinctly. He did lay it out, and she was being annoying in her non-rebuttal.

There was nothing to see here, folks. Great bait though, Gilapagos.

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212. "I think you're mistaking the frustration w/HRC lies, the media's continu..."
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complicity with those lies for condescension

I posted this vid in a previous thread, and your clip reminded me of it
http://publish.dvlabs.com/democracynow/360/dn2016-0415.mp4?start=1747&end=2993

The fact that the spin was Bern doesn't have a plan implies a couple of things

either you didn't actually listen to the interview

or you don't know HRC's plan

That is, he answered the questions correctly

and I don't know that she's offered anything different

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219. "it's heartbreaking man."
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Bernie supporters keep coming with facts on facts on facts.

And Hillary and her stans just deflect deflect deflect.

She literally shot shit down like "that's the past!" lol

"The Evil of Two Lessers" indeed.

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222. "man, whats sad is the Trump shit is so obvious"
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yet they fell for it.

Oh no, can't have the Donald even though the Clintons are friends and went to his wedding.

He is the debil. I know Hillary said dumb shit, I know she is hawkish but those other guys are sooooo scary.

plus she is a woman. That's progress right?


*watches the wealth gap and women's pay get even further apart.

and I can't wait for the shock when the banks to HAM and we have another crash.

*but what she said in those wall st. speeches isn't important

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235. "yup, but I may be watching from Canada or France when"
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that goes down, haha. Writing is on the wall in BOLD ALL CAPS, but some people just can't read.

They forget that war, crashes, health care, education: ALL are big business. People have a vested interests in keeping things the way they are, and Hillary is the status quo candidate.

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258. "^^^^^^^"
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215. "It's an apt parting shot."
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I've never really seen such focus on a candidate's SUPPORTERS before. There are people who don't really seem to be pro-Hillary....nor are they anti-Bernie.....they are anti-Bernie supporters. This is a platform of characterizations and guilt-by-association.

Can anyone find me ONE instance wherein a Bernie supporter has asked a Hillary supporter to justify one of her supporters? With all respect to Murph....like 90% of his arguments have been based on that. 'Look at what this Bernie bro said......'

This won't work against Trump.

  

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218. "its a FoxNews tactic"
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look at the Obama supporter who said she would get her bills paid...

Hannity still uses that quote to knock Obama 8 years later.

it works tho, somehow they found a way to make Bernie Bros the focus anytime someone wanted to talk about the issues.

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229. "RE: It's an apt parting shot."
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>I've never really seen such focus on a candidate's SUPPORTERS
>before. There are people who don't really seem to be
>pro-Hillary....nor are they anti-Bernie.....they are
>anti-Bernie supporters. This is a platform of
>characterizations and guilt-by-association.
>
>Can anyone find me ONE instance wherein a Bernie supporter has
>asked a Hillary supporter to justify one of her supporters?
>With all respect to Murph....like 90% of his arguments have
>been based on that. 'Look at what this Bernie bro
>said......'


Nah...My argument is simple: If someone is saying some outlandish bullshit then I call them out...I've also done the same with some Hillary supporters (the folks who were going hard at women supporting Bernie for NOT supporting Clinton because she's a woman....)

There's bullshit on all sides...

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199. "RE: Presidential Primary Post 10: Bern up, on a Tuesday"
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Pelosi...

Lock that shit up (c) Vince vaughn

get on the right side of this

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221. "Boehner calls Cruz "Lucifer in the flesh" lol (swipe)"
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That's that good hate lol.

http://www.npr.org/2016/04/28/476016486/boehner-says-hes-never-worked-with-a-more-miserable-son-of-a-bitch-than-cruz

Boehner Says He's Never 'Worked With A More Miserable Son Of A Bitch' Than Cruz

Former House Speaker John Boehner is a retired politician, so he seems to have retired from being politic. He went with radical honesty at a recent event at Stanford, according to the Stanford Daily, when he was asked about his opinion of Republican presidential candidate and Texas Sen. Ted Cruz.

"Lucifer in the flesh," the former speaker said. "I have Democrat friends and Republican friends. I get along with almost everyone, but I have never worked with a more miserable son of a bitch in my life."
Consider how strong those words are: John Boehner was in Congress for 24 years.

Boehner entered the House in 1991. Total up all the House members not reelected in the elections since then, and it's nearly 800. On the Senate side, it's more than 100. And then add in the 535 members who are there right now who Boehner also worked with.

And they all had staffers. Plus there were some delegates. And then there were the years Boehner spent in the Ohio House. And true, some of those Congress members left and came back, but you get the idea: Boehner has worked with thousands of people on the Hill. Apparently, Ted Cruz is at the bottom of that list.

(The comment has also inspired a joke site already: Lucifer2016.com now redirects to Cruz's new campaign site, CruzCarly.com, as NBC News producer Margaret Menefee found on Thursday.)

It's making headlines, but Boehner's comment just puts an exclamation point on one of the existing storylines of the election: many of Cruz's colleagues don't like working with him. As NPR's Ailsa Chang reported this year, Cruz's role (with House Republicans) in a 2013 government shutdown, plus that time he called Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell a liar, helped him make a long list of enemies in the Senate. That has also helped limit his list of endorsements.

But then, Cruz has been running an anti-establishment campaign, lambasting "Washington insiders" throughout the primary fight. It would almost be off-brand for too many senators to love him, as Chang pointed out.

"I never worked with John Boehner. Truth is, I don't know him that well," Cruz responded on Thursday. He added that he reached out to Boehner during the government shutdown but that Boehner rejected the offer.

As for Boehner, he had kinder words for the other candidates: he said he plays golf with Donald Trump and is also "texting buddies" with him, though he had milder praise for Ohio Gov. John Kasich (" requires more effort on my behalf than all my other friends ... but he's still my friend, and I love him").

Boehner added that while he would vote for Trump in a general election, he would not vote for Cruz.

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226. "GOP served up an easy W for the Dems and we dont want a progressive"
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fuck you America and fuck all you establishment voting Dem rat bastards.

I don't want to hear a fucking word from none of y'all about progressive bullshit.

We should pee together, he is her, she is shim, dont spank, timeout shows love ass fucks.

but when we have a chance for real change y'all nut up and choose a lying ass, super predator, hawkeyed, for profit jail ass politician?

these chickens coming home.

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228. " yup. we actually had a shot at real change."
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but when it's time to actually nut up after all this talk, muhfuckas is too scared of the real, and living in fear of the other, to actually take the shot at actual progress.

shit is disgusting man.

  

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230. "RE: GOP served up an easy W for the Dems and we dont want a progressive"
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The dirty little secret? The hardcore progressives (not the Dems would support either Bernie or Clinton) going hard for Bernie are a small minority in the Democratic party....

Also, another dirty little secret? NATIONAL politics, as it exists today, does not deal well with "revolution"....If u r looking to make sweeping changes through a Presidential election that's your first mistake....

I have more faith in revolution when it comes to local politics....U can actually make some moves and see things happen in real time locally...

Oh yeah...Trump is going to take a nasty L in this general election....Just saying...

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234. "murph, WE know its starts on a local level but WE also know"
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most of America votes in the GE and then goes home.

Hopefully the Bern progressives follow through on locals and mid terms but I'm,talking about the arty smarty fake progressives on OKP who are all about progress when it comes to sexuality and want $15 an hour for the guy on fries at McDonald's but is too scared to vote for real progress because they are afraid he might not win.

It's cool tho, we all want different things but I swear when those same people turn around and call others sense, conservative, old, in the wrong side, it won't carry that weight like it used to.

but what do I know? we all want different things.

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239. "RE: murph, WE know its starts on a local level but WE also know"
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>most of America votes in the GE and then goes home.
>
>Hopefully the Bern progressives follow through on locals and
>mid terms but I'm,talking about the arty smarty fake
>progressives on OKP who are all about progress when it comes
>to sexuality and want $15 an hour for the guy on fries at
>McDonald's but is too scared to vote for real progress because
>they are afraid he might not win.

This would be great...I'm very hopeful that local political impact from the youngins' can happen...This is how the Tea Party does it...

But what u r seeing with Bernie's Presidential run in terms of folks drifting more to Clinton's side really has little to do with being a "fake ass progressive"....It's about the Democrats not wanting to sink Obama's legacy coupled with the horror of Republicans having access to the House, Senate, AND the White House...

More importantly, u can certainly call yourself a progressive and not vote for Bernie in the primary....The same way u can call yourself a Conservative and not vote for Ted Cruz...Rigid ideology does not only exist on the Right...


>It's cool tho, we all want different things but I swear when
>those same people turn around and call others sense,
>conservative, old, in the wrong side, it won't carry that
>weight like it used to.
>
>but what do I know? we all want different things.

I just want a Democrat in the WH...And I want that Democrat to keep the things I care about on the books that Obama was able to pull off, tweak a few things (gotta add more meat to the Affordable Care Act) while adding on some policy changes that really have a chance to get done (changing drug sentencing laws, increasing minimum wage...)

As for Trump? He's not a Conservative...He's just a misogynistic, racist blowhard who has damn near 8 out of 10 of every minority group (AND WOMEN BEYOND REPUBLICAN VOTERS) in the country giving him the side eye...

We good...

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231. "Agreed"
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Can't see the forest for the trees.

Despite it all, Hillary hasn't won yet.
This is some Lord of the Rings level shit this year. C'mon, Frodo!

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236. "Bernie isnt winning... the people have spoken"
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they prefer an oligarchy...

fuck progress.

they will regret it but it will be too late.

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237. "ironically, Bernie's supporters will turn into the guys "
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who is documented year ago about the foreboding elephant in the room that neither party wanted to address.

We should archive these posts.

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238. "I'm not quite there yet"
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I think there are a couple of hazards out there for Hillary. It's like a golf outing where she could find herself in the water quite a bit on the last holes. I can't coronate her yet.

If you watch the MSM then they'll bludgeon you to death with it. I stick to the internets where they can be a little more objective. There's still some work to be done my friend. Chin up.

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240. "RE: I'm not quite there yet"
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>I stick to the internets where they can be a little more
>objective. There's still some work to be done my friend. Chin
>up.


LOL...U mean the un-checked home of conspiracy theories, political hacks and extreme ideological sites on both sides (Cons and Libs), etc? Those "Internets"?

There's def. great online political news sites that I trust (the Atlantic, Slate, and for straight news reporting The Hill)....But most of the shit online is partisan bullshit that u really have to dissect....

Nah...I'm good...

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251. "I've lost a lot of hope for you..."
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Like denny was saying, there needs to be an entire rethinking process done in this society. We got Titanic level icebergs in the near distance and you want to go along with the incremental paradigm. We need massive changes made now. Not next time. Bernie is the closest thing I see out there to gaining an overwhelming consensus on this right now. Hillary thinks small because she just wants the power. There's no other way to say it really.

Do you get that?

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241. "Obama to Bernie: Don't Know About Your Wall Street Talk (SWIPE)"
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I can already hear the Bernie heads stamping Obama as a Wall Street whore...lol...This is going to be interesting...

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Washington Post
Obama is defending his record on Wall Street against Bernie Sanders
By Max Ehrenfreund April 28

It might not be surprising that President Obama thinks that Wall Street watchdogs have done a better job on his watch. All the same, this point of view puts him at odds with Bernie Sanders, one of the candidates vying for the nomination of Obama's party to replace him in office.

In an interview published Thursday in the New York Times, Obama offered measured criticism of the senator from Vermont, implying that Sanders's proposals were unrealistic. The senator from Vermont has called for dissolving the major banks, whether through new legislation that would divorce their Wall Street and Main Street businesses, or by declaring them a risk to the economy under existing law.

"It is true that we have not dismantled the financial system, and in that sense, Bernie Sanders’s critique is correct," Obama said. "But one of the things that I’ve consistently tried to remind myself during the course of my presidency is that the economy is not an abstraction. It’s not something that you can just redesign and break up and put back together again without consequences."

Obama's comments were an unusual rebuke from a sitting president directed at a major presidential candidate in the same party, and a reminder that the government's response to the financial crisis still divides Democrats bitterly, almost eight years later.

The Obama administration, together with independent federal regulators and Congress, imposed strict new rules on the financial system with the Dodd-Frank financial reform in 2010 and other policies. Among other things, these rules required banks to insure themselves by holding more capital, giving up profits for the sake of stability. Investors were required to trade derivatives in public exchanges, and banks were barred (at least on paper) from using their customers' federally insured deposits to make risky bets on Wall Street.

Liberal Democrats including Sanders have long argued that the measures aren't enough to prevent another financial crisis.

His supporters point out that the largest banks have only become larger since the Dodd-Frank reform. Eric Rosengren, president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Boston, presented data earlier this year showing that the assets controlled by the largest and most important banks had increased from about $6.5 trillion in 2010 to about $7.5 trillion today.



At the same time, the economy in general has been expanding, and even as those banks were getting bigger, so were other, smaller institutions. The share of the overall financial sector's assets controlled by the largest banks actually declined modestly over the same period, Rosengren's data showed.

In general, data from the Commerce Department shows that banks still account for less of the economy than they did before the crisis. The recession was especially bad for finance and insurance, and while the sector has recovered more quickly than the rest of the economy, Wall Street still hasn't caught up to other industries yet.

Meanwhile, the largest banks are holding more of their shareholders' capital as insurance against a crisis. Rosengren showed that the ratio of stock and other forms of capital to overall assets has improved at those organizations from about 7 percent in 2010 to 9 percent today. In case of another catastrophe, the banks' shareholders would have to put that money toward saving the bank. The hope is that taxpayers wouldn't be asked to contribute.

"There is no doubt that the financial system is substantially more stable," Obama said.



Those who agree with Sanders counter that the administration and the lawmakers who put together the Dodd-Frank legislation can't take credit for these improvements. Regulators already had the authority to make some changes, and the Federal Reserve's decision to maintain interest rates close to zero has made banking less profitable.

Obama's harshest criticisms, however, were reserved for the Republican contenders.

"If you look at the platforms, the economic platforms of the current Republican candidates for president, they don’t simply defy logic and any known economic theories, they are fantasy," the president said. "Slashing taxes particularly for those at the very top, dismantling regulatory regimes that protect our air and our environment and then projecting that this is going to lead to 5 percent or 7 percent growth, and claiming that they’ll do all this while balancing the budget -- nobody would even, with the most rudimentary knowledge of economics, think that any of those things are plausible."

link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/04/28/obama-is-defending-his-record-on-wall-street-against-bernie-sanders/

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242. "I've tried to stay outta recent back and forths."
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Frankly, we've gotten so off-track for any reason WHY i support Bernie in the first place. But Obama is wrong. And this is why: (from another post)

https://medium.com/basic-income/deep-learning-is-going-to-teach-us-all-the-lesson-of-our-lives-jobs-are-for-machines-7c6442e37a49#.jixmbnb3k

THIS is why I supported Bernie. EVERYTHING needs to be re-thought. And there needs to be drastic change. Obama's incremental changes will not prepare us for the tsunami. We need to be ahead of this before it happens.

  

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244. "RE: I've tried to stay outta recent back and forths."
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>THIS is why I supported Bernie. EVERYTHING needs to be
>re-thought. And there needs to be drastic change. Obama's
>incremental changes will not prepare us for the tsunami. We
>need to be ahead of this before it happens.


Local elections...State elections...That's how things will get fixed...Voting for Bernie OR Clinton for President won't kick off drastic Wall Street reform....It just won't....

But getting new blood into Congress (via state elections) that believe in Democratic progressive principles will be a good start....

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245. "You didn't read the link."
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lol don't lie.

But seriously...i was a bit of a marxist in my teens. This shit is bringing me back to those roots in some ways. I've seen it in my industry (television). Maybe I'm just projecting my experience on society in general. But trouble is a-brewing. Honestly, I'm really scared. Not just for me. I acknowledge that my support for Bernie is reactionary. I would've thought he was too idealogical 8 years ago. Not anymore. I've seen enough now.

  

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246. "RE: You didn't read the link."
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We were talking about Obama's views on Bernie's Wall Street reform right? Isn't that what u were saying he's wrong about? Or am I missing something....?

Of course I didn't read your link...Because I was commenting on your worded response to that Obama/Bernie post...

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248. "The point is....."
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Wealth needs to be re-distributed. If you guys think that free state university and single payer healthcare is a pipedream....I can't wait to hear what you'll have to say about a guaranteed universal basic income.

But the fact is....there's no other way. And wall street is gonna have to pay. Not incrementally. Not 'working within the system'. The entire thing needs to be revamped. I'm talking income ceilings....I'm talking 80% taxation on the rich...taxation on speculation.....I'm talking things that the democratic establishment characterizes as extreme. Those things will be a necessity very soon. There are traditionally conservative economists who agree with this....yet the supposed left isn't on board?

  

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250. "Continue to support, man"
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It's not over. Anyone who tells you that is foolish to believe it.

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253. "re: income caps"
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i had never heard of this until recently when Eddie Huang was on Joe Rogan's podcast and they were talking about politics and the economy and Huang said, sort of jokingly but mostly serious that there should be a salary cap for humanity like there is in sports.

it was an interesting theory. not totally sure how it would work, but it's interesting.

  

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254. "RE: re: income caps"
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Basic universal income is a really interesting concept but only had limited testing.. 12-15k a year for every citizen.. No welfare.. Certainly interesting

In terms of salary caps.. Dont we already kinda have em? I mean less than 200 yrs ago carnegie and rockefeller were worth over 300 billy each (adjusted for inflation). And they existed at the same damn time... We arent bear that level of wealth behind 1 person anymore

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260. "Obama's record on Wall Street has been a disaster"
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Read Ron Suskind, Confidence Men. The banks got what they paid for when they gave Obama more than McCain. No prosecutions of securities-law-breaking executives, the bailed-out banks are 30% bigger than before the crash, a Goldman Sachs lawyer is now chief of staff at the SEC (which is like an Exxon lawyer heading the EPA), he followed the advice from deregulators like Larry Summers who are responsible for the crash, and nothing of substance was done for millions of people losing their homes to the banks. Their lobbyists succeeded in watering down Dodd-Frank even more than health insurance and pharmaceutical industry lobbyists succeeded in watering down Obamacare. And that means they got the important things that they wanted.

Yes, they gave Romney a little bit more than Obama in 2012, but that's because they alternate in emphasis while playing both sides. And they will get what they are paying for from Hillary.

*sound of cash register opening*

  

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268. "oh, Hillary gonna pay them back in much more detrimental way to the U.S."
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>both sides. And they will get what they are paying for from
>Hillary.
>
>*sound of cash register opening*

i mean, one of her largest SuperPAC donors is a wall street speculator who fleeced the US Govt. of 6 billion dollars in tax revenue and got nothing but a verbal scolding by the SEC.

SMH.

  

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273. "and her son in law is a hedge fund manager."
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Maybe she'll make him go get a switch and put him over her knee.

that'll show them!

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272. "yes, but Hillary is 2.4 million un-suppressed votes ahead!"
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The people have decided!

These the same type of dudes who measure their dick from their anus.

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274. "Tell de trufe!"
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TELL De trufe!

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255. "#FDT IN LA AND ITS TURNT TONIIIIIITE!!! "
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https://twitter.com/ABC7/status/725904276430573568


https://twitter.com/abc7chelsea/status/725905190675587075

https://twitter.com/lopezyajaira18/status/725907833602990082


https://twitter.com/Araksya/status/725896687219146753

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257. "RE: #FDT IN LA AND ITS TURNT TONIIIIIITE!!! "
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They were wild last night.....lol

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262. "Dont #FDT know wtf Apr 29th is??? he needa brush up on his cube.."
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April 29th was power to the people and we just might see a sequel (c) Ice Cube

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256. "Philly's Democratic Party Breaks the Law for HRC"
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BEqXwIznApz/

But hey Bernie supporters, we want you to unite with us

Remember when Cruz pulled these BS tactics

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259. "dirty"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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267. "as if superpacs & corp media wasn't enough of an advantage..."
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....smh


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270. "no, this is all fair. Dem the rules."
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(c) SeV

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280. "So some actual math."
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1243 delegates left.

Hillary is 738 short of the pledged delegate count.

Bernie is 1065 short of the pledged delegate count.

Hillary needs 59% of the remaining pledged delegate to hit 2383.

Bernie needs 85% if the remaining pledged delegates to hit 2383.

Bernie is favored in 9 of 10 of the last states. New Jersey polls at about 50/50 at this point.

Hillary doesn't win 60% of the remaining states. Bernie doesn't win 85% of the remaining state.

Super delegates don't vote until July.

It will be a contested convention. If I am wrong I'll eat my words.

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281. "RE: So some actual math."
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>Super delegates don't vote until July.

only way they support Bernie is if he has the popular vote
which he's currently behind about 3mil

  

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283. "yes, of Democrats."
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But this would be for the nominee for President, of the United States.

It would be an opportunity to bring millions of more people into the Democratic Party with him as the candidate. It could save the 2 party format. All they would have to do is take on the candidate that is the future of the party.

If not, they would be saying no to him, half of their Democratic voters, most new registrants, most Independents, and anyone who currently sees the DNC as sus.

You make most of that go away with Bernie. He might pull Elizabeth Warren as VP and then maybe she goes for President in 2020.

Damn, had Elizabeth Warren run all of this shit would have been dealt with already. It'd be Bernie and her as the ticket and it would have been unfuckwithable.

Ok, back to reality.

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282. ""multiply that by how much birds like him" - that guy in the video"
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284. "lol funny"
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but math is math. And the delegates don't vote until July.

Yes, many of them have said that even if their state voted 80% for Bernie that they wouldn't switch their candidate. Cool.

But they would be choosing Hillary over the future of their party. What power is there in being a Super Delegate of a weakened Democratic Party? That will be their choice to make.

We shall see.

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290. "RE: "multiply that by how much birds like him" - that guy in the video"
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lol....

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285. "Thought I'd leave this here, since you like math so much."
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>Bernie is favored in 9 of 10 of the last states. New Jersey
>polls at about 50/50 at this point.
>

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/primary-forecast/new-jersey-democratic/

It's interactive, so you can check the results for past primaries and the forecasts for other upcoming primaries too

I like their setup because they use a meta-analytical approach, combining the results of multiple polls and incorporating adjustments for sample size, time (recent polls are weighted more than older polls), etc. into their algorithm.

Their results don't paint as rosy a picture for Bernie as yours do, though. Did you forget to carry a 1 somewhere?? Lol

  

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286. "wow this is mad accurate."
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Like they have Hillary polling at 51% on average (like I said) with Bernie with the remaining 43%!

They've already chopped out the 6% that they aren't even gonna allow.

These are like advanced states for politics. But like I said, if I am wrong I'll eat my words. I don't think I'm off much, but we'll see what happens in May and June.

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287. "RE: wow this is mad accurate."
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>They've already chopped out the 6% that they aren't even gonna
>allow.

jfc

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288. "Indiana voters receiving calls claiming Bernie dropped out of the race"
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http://www.inquisitr.com/3043930/is-hillary-clinton-up-to-dirty-tricks-in-indiana-some-residents-claim-theyre-receiving-phone-calls-saying-bernie-sanders-has-dropped-out/

not sure about the source, inquisitr, but it wouldn't surprise me

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why would Bernie voters support this BS?

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289. "Florida poll: Clinton easily beats Cruz or Trump (swipe)"
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This poll was conducted by some Republican-leaning group. If they're accurate and similar numbers exist in other battleground states, it'll be a slaughter. But like I said in that other post, Trump surprised me by making it this far, so it's difficult for me to totally disregard him.

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http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-buzz-florida-politics/florida-poll-hillary-clinton-easily-beats-ted-cruz-or-donald-trump/2275571

Even though a whopping 42 percent of Florida voters have a "very unfavorable" view of Hillary Clinton and more see her image negatively than positively, the likely Democratic presidential nominee today easily beats either Donald Trump or Ted Cruz in Florida, according to the latest tracking poll by the Republican-leaning Associated Industries of Florida. Get this: Among Hispanics (about 14 percent of the electorate and this polling sample), Trump is viewed negatively by 87!!!! percent.

Here's the whole memo from AIF's political guru:

From: Ryan D. Tyson
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2016 7:15 PM
To: Ryan D. Tyson <RTyson@aif.com>
Subject: Latest Florida Tracking Survey

Our latest Florida tracking survey provides an ominous warning for Republicans as they head into the final full month of their nomination process. Using the most conservative delegate allocation scenarios for the remaining 10 states, it appears clear to us that Donald Trump is on his way to surpass the 1,237 delegate threshold by June 7 (see graphic below for reference). Even if he was to fail and the convention was to select Ted Cruz, the outlook doesn’t improve much.

We teamed up with Steve Vancore at ClearView Research for this n=604 likely general election survey (+/-5%) which we fielded this past week on Monday thru Wednesday, April 25-27. Slides with relevant crosstabs are attached but I will summarize this data package with a few highlights:

· Voters in Florida appear poised to reject Donald Trump and Ted Cruz as viable options for the presidency as evidenced in their poor image ratings and ballot position with key segments of the electorate. In this survey, Donald Trump is -29 (33 fav/62 unfav) with 50% of the electorate having a very unfavorable view of him. Amongst Hispanics, who will make up ~14% of the general electorate in Florida, Trump is -77 (10/87), and no, that is not a typo. Trump is also underwater with Cubans by 60% (17/77). Even though he is still pursuing what we believe is an outside chance at the nomination, Ted Cruz isn’t doing any better at -30 (29/59) with 39% of the electorate having a very unfavorable view of him. Perhaps the most damaging news for either candidate is how high their negatives are within their own party. Amongst Republicans, Trump is 55/38 and Cruz is actually under water by a point, 47/48.

· While Secretary Clinton posts better numbers than her Republican counterparts, she leaves much to be desired as a presumptive nominee. Clinton is -6% on image (46/52) with 42% of the electorate having a very unfavorable view of her and upside down with Non-Major Party Voters or NMP’s (-8), Hispanics (-2) and millennials (-31).

· In the ballot scenarios, Secretary Clinton leads Donald Trump by 13% (49-36) and is comfortably leading him amongst NMP’s (+17%), Females (+22%), Hispanics (+43%) and every other demographic crosstab except whites, where Trump leads Clinton by 8%. Within his own party, Trump loses 15% of Republicans surveyed to Clinton. If he was to pull out a miracle in Ohio, Senator Cruz would trail Secretary Clinton by only 9% (48-39) by making slight improvements amongst NMP’s & Hispanics, but still losing them.

· The most viable candidate the Republicans have in Florida for a general election isn’t even going to be on the ballot. As shocking as this may sound coming off his crushing defeat in the primary, Marco Rubio shows signs of life amongst Hispanics and NMP’s which no other Republican we tested can claim. Rubio holds a 1-to-1 image rating (46/46) and remains right side up amongst NMP’s (+6), Hispanics (+6) , voters under 50 (+9) and millennials (+2). In a hypothetical head to head, Rubio leads Patrick Murphy by 8% (49/41) and locks down all key sub groups in the ballot question.

During the weekend we also looked at likely Republican primary voters on a separate survey project and found Senator Rubio continues to enjoy soft, but high favorables amongst Republican primary voters at 67/29. Amongst primary voters who are very conservative, Rubio is +59 (77/18).

· In the Senate race, Republicans actually enjoy a 2-point advantage in the generic ballot for US Senate. However, the entire field remains largely unknown and the only candidate who would beat Patrick Murphy (assuming he wins) as of today would be Senator Rubio.

· In this critical swing state, it is clear to us that Republicans continue to suffer substantial brand damage amongst all segments of the ascending electorate (younger voters, Hispanics & NMPs) and this presidential campaign has clearly exacerbated these attitudes. Perhaps the best news for Republicans may be that the Democrats have selected a candidate who up to this point has really failed to launch and isn’t remotely generating the enthusiasm they’ve enjoyed in their two past campaigns. The bottom line is this electorate is volatile, and in some segments, downright hostile. Voters don’t like the direction this country is headed in, nor do they like their current options for who should fix it.

  

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291. "If she ends up going Castro for VP I bet the Dems CRUSH a Trump ticket "
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in FL

I mean he really, really, really f'd up with all the anti-Hispanic/Latino and anti-immigration rhetoric

And then to make the situation even more mind-boggling his statements mess up one of the most exciting business deals he's had in ages and embroil him in an ugly lawsuit:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/digger/wp/2016/04/29/donald-trump-jose-andres-and-the-death-of-a-grand-washington-restaurant/


Edit: hmm, I take that back actually. After reading more closely, he's still expected to do quite well among non-hispanic white FL voters...who are known to be more conservative and make up over 80% of the electorate...

So maybe the Dems still do well but not slaughter, even with a young, likeable, latino rising political star as VP




  

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292. "http://i.sli.mg/euHfi7.gif"
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293. "http://uproxx.com/news/carly-fiorina-falls-ted-cruz-video/"
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http://uproxx.com/news/carly-fiorina-falls-ted-cruz-video/

  

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294. "http://gawker.com/watch-ted-cruz-s-daughter-literally-run-from-her-fathe..."
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http://gawker.com/watch-ted-cruz-s-daughter-literally-run-from-her-father-1773799772

  

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295. "lmao, talk about a power struggle"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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296. "Indiana, let's go!"
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::Takes a deep breath::

::Looks over shoulder at the southwestern horizon::

::Walks towards the Rio Grande::

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300. "1 down, 8 to go."
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And maybe even Jersey.

Contested convention.

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297. "Cruz out!"
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::drops mic::

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298. "WHO WILL SAVE OUR BATHROOMS"
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299. "*cough*"
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301. "Bernie still picking up states lol"
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