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tariqhu
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"badu be trippin sometimes"


          

she says high school girls should wear longer skirts to so the male teahers won't be as distracted.

longer skirts won't change that. all those cultures with ladies completely covered should prove that clothing don't matter like that.




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I enjoy seeing once out there people get more conservative as
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I feel like I'm going the other way.
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ditto
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Same.
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Has she ever said or done anything that contradicts this statement?
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Not that I know of. But it's still not what you would expect
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I don't know if she said anything contrary to this. I do think it's
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except she's not conservative and still out there
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how we supposed to get the ladies back with post like this?
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this is the perfect post lol
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at least badu's
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      ha!!!
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i never understood the point of those catholic school skirts...
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So the teachers won't be distracted?!
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this
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doesn't sound like she's blaming the girls..
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      If she said "wear longer skirts so male teachers won't be distracted"
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           I see what you're saying...
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maybe the teachers weren't raised right...
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Why would that be an issue for a child to have to deal with?
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how do you determine
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      as you pointed out...
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           its because we
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yes.
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There really isn't anything else beyond this.
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Isn't that the reason schools always give for dress codes tho?
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what about the women teachers who assault the boys?
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the school knows what they're doing with those short gym shorts
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Gotta ask Badu 'bout that. Maybe tank tops or skinny jeans lol
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They gotta get rid of gym and sports programs
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correct.
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I feel you, but...
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      right.
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Uniform = school girl fetish which is just as bad if not even worse.
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lol
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only if you have no clue what school uniforms in 2016 are
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      You are absolutely right I am in an area devoid of schools.
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dress codes are about compliance more than they are about distraction
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      There's that too.
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yoga pants dress code solves this problem
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lolol
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I don't ride for her comments, but you're kidding, right?
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clearly sarcasm
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lmao...
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      Real talk, I would LOVE to see this experiment:
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           I"ve seen one done somewhere on the interwebs
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Nah, we just need fewer male teachers
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3/4 skirts huh?
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Must have saw something inappropiate when she did this.
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Kids had no idea who she was. Didn't look like they cared either.
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      that's not surprising.
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           Yup...putting myself in the their shoes.. If she climbed on my lunch tab...
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It's weird when people who are legitimately brilliant in at least one fi...
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Window seat video is awesome tho...
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it lets us know
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We really want to commit to saying that it is moronic to suggest
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Within the context of school it should be different.
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Fak that, all those stories we read about dirtbag teachers??!
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      her comment lets the teachers off the hook.
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you and Erykah are saying different things
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She said no such thing. Stop. Read the actual quote.
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      lol I was on Twitter all last night
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           You post like you were on twitter all last night.
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                parents often say and do irrational/unreasonable shit.
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                how is covering up going to stop a rapist from exerting power?
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                     Who is talking about Rapist though? Y'all ninjas are 0 to 100
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OMFG.
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      Did you read her exact quote before getting offended?
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compare favorably - Dr. Ben Carson, MD.
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why not suggest better male teachers?
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Funny part is, there's probably not a ton of male teachers there
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yup.
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How it is versus how it should be.
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      Like I said, there's probably only a few male teachers there.
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           You make this statement with no information about the school in
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                What school do you know where male teachers aren't in the
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                     What does there only being a small number of male teachers
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                          If there's only a few, and since they're all adults, you can control
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Why don't we look at her actual quote before calling her a Moron
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that doesn't change my opinion about her comment at all.
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      Sounds like you are against school having dress codes at all.
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      i'm sure it seems that way to YOU.
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           Why not just get rid of skirts altogether... aren't they archaic?
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                why not ban girls from schools?
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                     lol... post #34 is even better.
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                          no, i prefer post #80.
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      RE: that doesn't change my opinion about her comment at all.
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           maybe B_G hacked your account.
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                I think that's a reasonable position, Also don't think Badu's opinion
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                okay.
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                I have a daughter as well
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                RE: maybe B_G hacked your account.
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                     this is unacceptable:
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                     RE: this is unacceptable:
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                          thanks. i work hard at it.
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                     Women wear attractive things in the regular workforce also and we deal
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                          Plus, among adults, the more chill you act, the more they'll do
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RE: badu be trippin sometimes
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I don't disagree that clothing choice
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RE: I don't disagree that clothing choice
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as a teacher, please sit this one out chief
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Nothing wrong with what she said
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perhaps adult professionals who cannot handle this ^ 'pressure'
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let's discuss her ACTUAL point, and then criticize it lol
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this is about children...not adults tho
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      of course, but i'm still saying the responsibility isn't equal
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      Yes. But we are talking teenagers
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           we need to revisit what we expect and what really happens thing...
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           People want to turn her statment into dress right or its your fault if a...
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                It's a slippery slope
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as a male teacher i'm appreciating this post
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Fair request, terrible reasoning
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So if she said distract the boy students, then it would be alright?
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Distract students in general would be more correct
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      oh lord there was a girl in 8th grade who wore mini skirts every day
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           i bet plenty of other people in the class got over it though
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Agreed. If this is to help keep student/teacher interactions appropriat...
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RE: badu be trippin sometimes
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Yup
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That's a good point and practical. But shorties don't need to
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      maybe they shouldn't.
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           RE: maybe they shouldn't.
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                Ok.
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This form the chick that did a video walking naked in public. OK.
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All YOUNG GIRLS should dress in a way that exudes self respect
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^^^^^All of this.
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Ugh and FOH. Respectively.
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Agreed
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Great response - young high school girls should be able to dress
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wtf does it mean for a girl to dress in a way that 'exudes self respect'...
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If you have to ask then I won't waste time responding
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      Good. Don't.
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      chingaso. orale. and hi-five
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      Good idea.
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Totes.
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^^^
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whose definition of self-respect should they adhere to?
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come on now Damali
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Their parents.
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      This is not what you mean.
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           You approach this from such a silly theoretical position.
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                so do you.
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                     i really wish people could just admit this.
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                          Personally, I could give two shits what some kids other than
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                               Your kids dress according their paternal grandparents' definition of 'se...
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                                    That's a typo, I meant the their parents (i.e., me and my wife)
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                                         Oh okay. I never know with you.
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                                              I laughed.
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get. the. fuck. outta. here.
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if teachers cant keep from being distracted they shouldnt teach
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Really? So there's nothing that a student can wear in terms of their
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      If a teacher can't handle a kid wearing a short skirt
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      i mean forget teaching, how do people even function like that?
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      you know?
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      it's sad/weird that this has to be explained to grown adults
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           it's pathetic really
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      if what's distracting you is clothing, you're not paying attention to th...
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      See, your replies sound more philosophical or theoretical rather
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           no. i have 11 years teaching full time + 3 more part time.
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      man, go sit down somewhere with your dumbass
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      Only if you're a fucking perv.
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           The problem that YOU ALL are having is w/the word distraction
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                The Badu tweets were about lust
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                     I know SHE was but I'm saying the word distraction doesn't necessarily
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                          the TEACHERS ARE THE FUCKING POINT HERE.
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                          it not a mini skirt thag she's talking about
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I thought it was interesting that in Ghana, they made ALLLL the girls
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i liked that too but I wondered how many of the girls don't like it
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      Who gives a flying phuck if the girls don't like it, trust me there will
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           I'd venture to say that SoWhat is not qualified to speak
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           ^^ (See: post #123)
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           RE: ^^ (See: post #123)
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           You were right not to respond to that.
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           Yes. That totally makes sense.
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           I do, fool.
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She's trolling
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so are the more obtuse okp-ers
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      lol..yes..it's really funny to watch..lol
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man, y'all are some interesting people
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i wonder if this has anything to do wit that awkward performance...
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lmao
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Erykah had a lengthy discussion on her twitter.
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thanks to the magic of the Internet
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      The discussion spanned about 2 days (and counting)
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           cool.
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Then what is the purpose of a dress code?
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cause its 2016
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My god.
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Sometimes its not all about you guy. I was not directly addressing
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who are you addressing? Which comment(s)?
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How about everyone attacking Badu that's not SoWhat?
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      better rule: stop being dense.
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      How about let's try not to be rude?
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           ...
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           For the record im mostly for uniforms
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      daaaaamn buuuuddy
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bro, as not SoWhat, as a teacher, you need to do fucn better
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      Y'all gotta stop dialing these arguments up to personal shit
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      he counted buddy's money AND went in his fridge
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      breh, you??? you!!! LOLzers
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           don't brand me bro
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                i'll say it's not getting personal, at all, it's reversing
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                     I'm the proud parent of a baby girl
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      one i was gunna get personal with you, but naw
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           In his defense alot of it is devil's advocacy.
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           It's not really devil's advocacy, I just think Badu ain't saying nothing
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                lol. "numb nuts"
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           the only reason you or anyone else could get personal with me
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                Amen
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      spot on
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      Nice of you to share but who da fuck are you to tell someone...
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           *head explodes*
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           You are repeating yourself and now you are just making stuff up
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                *i* am, huh?
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                Oh and since you don't get personal
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                     Nice try. I don't go to court often because I am in-house
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                          RE: Nice try. I don't go to court often because I am in-house
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                          uh huh.
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           *head explodes*
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           So now schools haven't had dress codes?
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                yup.
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           RE: i'm a human who shares this Earth with you
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           I invite you to kick ALL of the rocks, my dude...
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RE: My god.
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      that's good b/c i like fruit.
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It's fine for schools to restrict students' clothing choice to avoid
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That prom dress is nsfw, btw.
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AT ALL
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      I tried to go back and edit but it was too late. My bad.
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I pray for my son
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      Get him braces...even if he don't need them.
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           yo.. this is all types of wrong. LOL
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my logic may be off but ima relate this issue to gun control
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RE: my logic may be off.
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RE: my logic may be off.
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      No I just don't fuck with you like that.
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           lmao
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           I'm tax exempt already, can't write me off
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Nah man, it's bad
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RE: Nah man, it's bad
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      DONT YOU PUT THAT EVIL ON ME RICKY BOBBY
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           RE: DONT YOU PUT THAT EVIL ON ME RICKY BOBBY
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did u really just say this?:
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      No, I typed it...this morning
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damn!
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I didn't read it as ALL THE BLAME
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      the onus is on the teacher to act right-be right
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           Right but be aware of the ones who don't act right.
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           no shit, why yall keep stating the obvious tho?
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I know this has about run it's course but I have some parting questions....
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you say you get it but you clearly don't.
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      What exactly do I don't get?
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      cool.
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      RE: you say you get it but you clearly don't.
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      lol you still in here talking about something that's not for you
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           I mean I don't have daughters but I got an opinion on the subject
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           RE: I mean I don't have daughters but I got an opinion on the subject
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                You really offended by the term "breeder"?
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                     yep
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                          then why do you keep bringing up his sexuality! LOL.
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                               b/c he THAT stupid.
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                               how does it feel to know a dude that stocks shelves can argue....
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                               because one could easily imply homophobia in my statements
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           yup
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RE: badu be trippin sometimes
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So, children dressing more conservatively is a BAD thing?
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basically
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RE: So, children dressing more conservatively is a BAD thing?
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      but every damn body knows Teachers shouldnt be unprofessional
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           today you gotta put up a million disclaimers before saying something
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                they keep repeating it like its some brand new idea
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Buddy_Gilapagos
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1. "I enjoy seeing once out there people get more conservative as"
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they get older. Makes me not feel as bad for doing the same.


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tariqhu
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2. "I feel like I'm going the other way."
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Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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22. "ditto"
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Coolin...

  

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139. "Same."
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A dude who worked at the nursing home my family owns told me when I was in college that I'd grow out of my liberal mindstate and of course I argued against him then. I was reminded of this conversation recently by an Uber driver who said something really similar about how "when your own money's at stake you tend to be more reluctant to give it to other people/help those in need" and I was sitting in the back like "yo if anything I am willing to give up more of my time and resources to help people who weren't as fortunate as me..."

Of course that was all going on in my head as I nodded "yep" to this dude who definitely said "I like Trump. He speaks his mind" so I knew the conversation would go nowhere good and I just wanted this moron to drive.

At one point during his "liberal mindstate" monologue he seemed to put me in the category of "young guy who will grow out of it". I'm like, dude I'm 32 years old. Haha. If I haven't "grown out of it" by now it ain't happening.

Fuck that dude.

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12. "Has she ever said or done anything that contradicts this statement?"
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I know I know.... Window Seat and all, but she
didn't do that in a classroom as a student.
But I don't know all the stuff she's said in
the past... don't follow her online or anything,
so I'm genuinely asking.

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15. "Not that I know of. But it's still not what you would expect"
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to hear from a Free Spirit artistic type like her.

  

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23. "I don't know if she said anything contrary to this. I do think it's"
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something my grandma would have said.


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46. "except she's not conservative and still out there"
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and from jump has always said kinda odd / essentialist shit

she still da best

  

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3. "how we supposed to get the ladies back with post like this?"
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c'mon Erykah

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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6. "this is the perfect post lol"
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9. "at least badu's "
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box aint in a box

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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10. "ha!!!"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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4. "i never understood the point of those catholic school skirts..."
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when I was school if our skirts were more than 3 fingers above the knee - we weren't sent home...

  

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5. "So the teachers won't be distracted?!"
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Oooor the teachers could conduct themselves as adults and professionals.
FOH.

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7. "this"
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>Oooor the teachers could conduct themselves as adults and
>professionals.
>FOH.

is really how it should be handled. can't blame the girls for the actions of others.

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11. "doesn't sound like she's blaming the girls.."
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did I misunderstand lol

  

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14. "If she said "wear longer skirts so male teachers won't be distracted""
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She is absolutely blaming children for the actions of adults.

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35. "I see what you're saying..."
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it shows up for me that her point is male teachers are distracted...
let's pick up from there...

  

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"maybe the teachers weren't raised right..."


  

          

easier said than done, right?

  

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16. "Why would that be an issue for a child to have to deal with?"
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25. "how do you determine"
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raised right?

we all look at ass the same lol. we go about in a variety of ways, some less respectful than others.

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39. "as you pointed out..."
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how y'all react to it differs among men...

why is that?

  

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48. "its because we"
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are not the same. you can see brothers raised in the same house under the same rules, but they act totally diff from one another.

it has some to do with upbringing, but more to do with each man's personality and agenda.

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44. "yes."
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i expect her to see that.

fuck you.

  

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95. "There really isn't anything else beyond this."
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I hate people sometimes.

  

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8. "Isn't that the reason schools always give for dress codes tho?"
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That it's a "distraction"... granted, it's usually
presented as a distraction from learning rather
than teaching. Is that the problem here? That
she said the teachers were the ones being distracted?



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13. "what about the women teachers who assault the boys? "
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what is their distraction?

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19. "the school knows what they're doing with those short gym shorts"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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29. "Gotta ask Badu 'bout that. Maybe tank tops or skinny jeans lol"
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36. "They gotta get rid of gym and sports programs"
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So the young dudes don't get all strong and distract these ladies from doing their job.

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18. "correct."
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the different spin is the problem. dress are supposed to help with students learning and also no feeling a certain way if they aint got the latest whatever. supposed to also help with learing discipline.

teachers gotta do their jobs. the job shouldn't include paying too much attention to certain students because of skirt length.



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32. "I feel you, but..."
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>the different spin is the problem. dress are supposed to help
>with students learning and also no feeling a certain way if
>they aint got the latest whatever. supposed to also help with
>learing discipline.



Word


>teachers gotta do their jobs. the job shouldn't include paying
>too much attention to certain students because of skirt
>length.


I hear you, but offices have dress codes too, despite the fact
that they're filled with professionals who have a job to do.
Most jobs do... because adults aren't above being distracted.




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38. "right."
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>I hear you, but offices have dress codes too, despite the
>fact
>that they're filled with professionals who have a job to do.
>Most jobs do... because adults aren't above being distracted.

the dress code won't change the distraction much. if she's to the the teacher will notice. we do get distracted, but there are also rules against teacher/student relationships as well as rules against some work relationships.

if a bad chick walks by and its fully following the rules of business attire, I'll check her out, but I'm not gonna lose myself since I'm at work.

its more about the teacher having control of his actions regardless of what the student is wearing. not to mention, its a child.

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82. "Uniform = school girl fetish which is just as bad if not even worse. "
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96. "lol"
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105. "only if you have no clue what school uniforms in 2016 are "
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116. "You are absolutely right I am in an area devoid of schools. "
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Like for 100's of miles none of them.

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108. "dress codes are about compliance more than they are about distraction"
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people talk about sexuality and competition, and those are sometimes why people talk themselves into uniforms, but on the ground level it's really about "this is the expectation. follow it." and whether students can understand and handle that.

which is not necessarily a bad thing to teach children. most people need to learn how/when to fall in line to make it in this world.

it's just a bad thing when people go overboard with it. if i followed the handbook every time i saw someone was wearing the wrong socks i'd drive myself crazy. it's a bad thing when they keep upping the ante to make it more and more rigid or make punishments more extreme.

and it's a really bad thing if they can't process totally reasonable criticisms like "your uniform policy is sexist and should change."

  

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188. "There's that too."
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But at my schools, growing up, they always
talked about distractions when they referenced
dress codes. Even when I see ridiculous shit
in the news about another Black girl being
told she can't wear her natural hair, they
talk this "distraction" bullshit.

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17. "yoga pants dress code solves this problem"
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they all go past the knee

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20. "lolol"
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Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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24. "I don't ride for her comments, but you're kidding, right?"
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Just off the logic of what she said, yoga pants aren't a whole lot different than short skirts.

I'm in the camp that the onus is on the men to keep it together when women wear revealing stuff. Which most men do a very good job of already, I'd say.

  

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26. "clearly sarcasm"
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Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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30. "lmao..."
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but nah, I think the onus is on both parties when you were revealing shit.

if a dude walked in with spandex and his dick bulging I wouldn't let him off the hook. Wtf you wearing that shit for nigga?

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37. "Real talk, I would LOVE to see this experiment:"
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>if a dude walked in with spandex and his dick bulging I
>wouldn't let him off the hook. Wtf you wearing that shit for
>nigga?

Dudes start wearing Under Armour sets w/the bulge to school, the office, the market, etc: https://underarmour.scene7.com/is/image/Underarmour/V5-1265649-001_HTF?template=v65GridLarge&=440,541&=281&=345&=0,0,0,223

About to cop me a set and just be Mr. MakesPeopleMadUncomfortable this summer rocking that jawn.

  

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90. "I"ve seen one done somewhere on the interwebs"
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guy in tight shit with a bulge had a tiny camera on him to capture women's reactions and they behaved just as badly as men, all the way down to taking a creepshot of dude.

I'll post it if I can find it.

meanwhile, this video is of women caught checking out a bulge in khaki's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vmRfQXBxf0

  

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34. "Nah, we just need fewer male teachers"
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Make the schools a completely "safe space."

  

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21. "3/4 skirts huh?"
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27. "Must have saw something inappropiate when she did this. "
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https://www.facebook.com/ogronlikepage/videos/1231554220188400/?fref=nf

I use to not be the biggest fan of Badu, but the older she get and the less fcukes she has to give makes her sooo great to me now.


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97. "Kids had no idea who she was. Didn't look like they cared either. "
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142. "that's not surprising."
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why would they be?

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154. "Yup...putting myself in the their shoes.. If she climbed on my lunch tab..."
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....with some old folks music blasting...id be pretty upset. They handled themselves well from what I saw.

  

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28. "It's weird when people who are legitimately brilliant in at least one fi..."
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Say stuff that makes you think they might be completely moronic.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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31. "Window seat video is awesome tho..."
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i learned something that day

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33. "it lets us know"
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they're regular people

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40. "We really want to commit to saying that it is moronic to suggest"
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that how a woman dresses might garner unwanted attention?

I mean if a mother or father told her daughter that would they be moronic?

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41. "Within the context of school it should be different."
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The teachers aren't randos whom you should regard as totally unpredictable. They work there and are authority figures, so their conduct should be relied upon to be high. Duty of care, and all that.

  

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50. "Fak that, all those stories we read about dirtbag teachers??!"
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Them ninjas are just like everyone else.

>The teachers aren't randos whom you should regard as totally
>unpredictable. They work there and are authority figures, so
>their conduct should be relied upon to be high. Duty of care,
>and all that.


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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54. "her comment lets the teachers off the hook."
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it blames the girls and/or the girls' clothing for the adult professional teachers' 'dirtbag' conduct.

i'm surprised she would make such a comment b/c i expect her to see the issue as i do - that no matter WHAT these girls wear the adult professionals are held to a duty to not be 'distracted' by children's clothing choices.

fuck you.

  

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43. "you and Erykah are saying different things"
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she practically said "it's your responsibility to not get raped"

  

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49. "She said no such thing. Stop. Read the actual quote. "
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>she practically said "it's your responsibility to not get
>raped"


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60. "lol I was on Twitter all last night"
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the uproar is she's more "wear longer skirts" and less "how do we stop men from being scum?"

which practically says the onus is on women

which still wont prevent sexual assault

  

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70. "You post like you were on twitter all last night. "
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I think she post like someone trying to raise two daughters.



>the uproar is she's more "wear longer skirts" and less "how
>do we stop men from being scum?"
>
>which practically says the onus is on women
>
>which still wont prevent sexual assault


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71. "parents often say and do irrational/unreasonable shit."
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usually out of concern for their children.

this is one of those times.

fuck you.

  

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85. "how is covering up going to stop a rapist from exerting power?"
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dont worry, I'll wait

  

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106. "Who is talking about Rapist though? Y'all ninjas are 0 to 100"
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real quick. Badu says girls in short skirts can be distracting to male teachers and y'all turn that into saying if you were a skirt it's your fault if you get raped. SMH.

>dont worry, I'll wait


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55. "OMFG."
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It's beyond moronic. It is offensive. FOH.

  

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56. "Did you read her exact quote before getting offended?"
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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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47. "compare favorably - Dr. Ben Carson, MD."
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fuck you.

  

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42. "why not suggest better male teachers?"
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Girls will be be girls afterall.

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45. "Funny part is, there's probably not a ton of male teachers there"
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to begin with.

  

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52. "yup."
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male teachers are already less available than women.

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51. "How it is versus how it should be. "
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The male teachers should be better and above distraction, but because they not....

>Girls will be be girls afterall.
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58. "Like I said, there's probably only a few male teachers there."
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It would probably be easier, if not better, for the school higher ups to drive home to the teachers that they need to act right.

  

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61. "You make this statement with no information about the school in "
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question.


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65. "What school do you know where male teachers aren't in the "
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minority? Other than maybe an all male school, which this one is not.

  

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68. "What does there only being a small number of male teachers"
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have to do with anything? What school have you been to that didn't have a few male teachers?


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72. "If there's only a few, and since they're all adults, you can control"
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their actions more easily than you can control a bunch of teenaged girls who insist on rocking short skirts. That's why it's more practical. It's also the right approach to take on a moral level.

  

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53. "Why don't we look at her actual quote before calling her a Moron"
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http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/04/erykah-badu-wants-girls-to-lengthen-their-skirts.html


This post illustrates the difference POVs of a mother raising two daughters versus everybody else on the internet.


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57. "that doesn't change my opinion about her comment at all."
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while i agree w/her about sexual attraction and all that hoo-ha i disagree that girls should be made to wear knee-length skirts b/c it's 'fair to everyone' w/regard to adult male professional teachers being distracted/attracted. that's b/c i understand that men and boys will be attracted/distracted w/o regard for what girls wear. also, b/c i think adult male professionals should be able to see past the short skirts and move beyond any attraction such that they aren't distracted by anything their girl students wear. and if those men can't move beyond that distraction then maybe they don't belong in a classroom or maybe they need further education/training/counseling so they can be more effective professionals and so school girls are safe no matter what they choose to wear.

of course, i also agree w/her that girls should be advised/admonished/warned about the potential consequences of their clothing choices and what messages/images they're putting out there but i don't think they should be restricted to wearing knee-length skirts.

fuck you.

  

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62. "Sounds like you are against school having dress codes at all."
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Also I think you and Badu are talking pass each other because you are talking about how it should be, which I am sure Badu would agree with you while Badu is talking about how it is.



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63. "i'm sure it seems that way to YOU."
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but that's not my stance.

i have no problem w/the idea of school dress codes. i disagree that girls should be made to wear knee-length skirts out of 'fairness' to adult male professional staff in schools.

fuck you.

  

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76. "Why not just get rid of skirts altogether... aren't they archaic?"
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Why not have every student wear trousers and a shirt? That would solve the problem and remove that polarizing aspect of gender in the schools (the uniforms).

  

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80. "why not ban girls from schools?"
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that would solve the problem of adult male professionals being so distracted by their 'natural' attraction to girls that they can't function as professionals. it would also keep girls safe from being harmed by male teachers while those teachers are on the job. it's fair to everyone.

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87. "lol... post #34 is even better."
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Better if we just get rid of the problem outright.

  

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89. "no, i prefer post #80."
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fuck you.

  

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64. "RE: that doesn't change my opinion about her comment at all."
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In this specific scenario they already had a uniform. This was just adding length to it. So do you think they shouldn't have the uniform?

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66. "maybe B_G hacked your account."
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i do not believe that girls should be made to wear knee-length skirts out of 'fairness' to adult male professional staff working in their school(s). i believe those adult male professionals should be held to a higher standard than the boy students who are understandably distracted by girls in short skirts. if those adult male professionals are so distracted by attraction that they cannot perform their job duties or worse that they actually act on their attraction then they should either be removed from the classroom or should be further educated or counseled or w/e to address their unprofessionalism.

fuck you.

  

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67. "I think that's a reasonable position, Also don't think Badu's opinion"
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is moronic.

Sounds like a concerned mother of two girls.


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69. "okay."
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fuck you.

  

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74. "I have a daughter as well"
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so I'll be sure to give her info about appropriate attire for situations, but adding a couple inches to a skirt won't make the teacher more focused on his duties.

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73. "RE: maybe B_G hacked your account."
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>i do not believe that girls should be made to wear
>knee-length skirts out of 'fairness' to adult male
>professional staff working in their school(s). i believe
>those adult male professionals should be held to a higher
>standard than the boy students who are understandably
>distracted by girls in short skirts. if those adult male
>professionals are so distracted by attraction that they cannot
>perform their job duties or worse that they actually act on
>their attraction then they should either be removed from the
>classroom or should be further educated or counseled or w/e to
>address their unprofessionalism.

Guess I am dealing with more of a subtle grey area. The idea that even if the teacher doesn't "act" on it or disrupt the class because of said distraction they are still interacting with the person in a way that can be ultimately detrimental to their learning and construction of social interaction.

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75. "this is unacceptable:"
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>Guess I am dealing with more of a subtle grey area. The idea
>that even if the teacher doesn't "act" on it or disrupt the
>class because of said distraction they are still interacting
>with the person in a way that can be ultimately detrimental to
>their learning and construction of social interaction.

...and if it happens the onus is fully on the adult professional to avoid allowing a child's clothing choice to distract them to the point where the child's education suffers. if said professional cannot avoid such distraction then the professional should either be removed from the classroom or re-educated or counseled. but the children's clothing choice shouldn't be restricted due to the particular distraction at issue here. there may be other good reasons to restrict children's clothing choice in schools - this ain't one of them.

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77. "RE: this is unacceptable:"
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Your moral relativism is exhausting

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78. "thanks. i work hard at it."
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fuck you.

  

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83. "Women wear attractive things in the regular workforce also and we deal"
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My building's full of high powered professional women in pumps, pencil skirts and a button or two undone blouses. I just control my balls and it's not even that hard because the environment is so...not. Im not gonna say i throw salt in my eyes when they walk by, but I treat them like the rest of my co-workers because its a professional environment and I am a professional, similar to how I hope most male teachers behave.

  

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104. "Plus, among adults, the more chill you act, the more they'll do"
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it and the more you can enjoy the visuals.

  

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59. "RE: badu be trippin sometimes"
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>she says high school girls should wear longer skirts to so
>the male teahers won't be as distracted.
>
>longer skirts won't change that. all those cultures with
>ladies completely covered should prove that clothing don't
>matter like that.
>
>

Clothing DOES matter.. which is why you dont wear flip flops to an interview (unless its for a lifeguard) or a bathing suit to a prom..

So lets talk the basic problem. School is about education and learning basic social cues.

Erykah's point was we are not above human nature. A person who views another person in a sexual manner is going to treat them differently than others whom they dont.

This isnt about reducing rape (cuz it wont)... this is about distraction/conditioning in the controlled environment of school. Is it a detriment to your learning and social interactions (teacher favoring you over other students or more crucially not taking you seriously) to wear whatever you want?

Every environments social contract is different... you don't wear blue riding your bike through blood neighborhoods.

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79. "I don't disagree that clothing choice"
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can make a diff and can also alter how people are viewed. my contention is that the teacher/adult needs to maintain the rules. changing the length of a CHILD's skirt won't do much for limiting a distracted teacher.

teachers are human, which means they can make decisions. so they should be able to make the right choice when dealing with a appropriately dress child that's already in a uniform.

adding to the skirt won't stop relationships that occur between teachers and students. the teacher needs to do that.

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84. "RE: I don't disagree that clothing choice"
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>can make a diff and can also alter how people are viewed. my
>contention is that the teacher/adult needs to maintain the
>rules. changing the length of a CHILD's skirt won't do much
>for limiting a distracted teacher.
>

What if they ARE maintaining rules though? What if whats changing is social conditioning within the class? We ALL live in a patriarchal society that is constantly diminishing a woman's ability and knowledge.

>teachers are human, which means they can make decisions. so
>they should be able to make the right choice when dealing with
>a appropriately dress child that's already in a uniform.
>
>adding to the skirt won't stop relationships that occur
>between teachers and students. the teacher needs to do that.

100% true.. thats not really what I am talking about though.. I think that subconscious interactions because of dress could be more detrimental. And that is something a little harder to a. discern and b. change/discipline/reprimand

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160. "as a teacher, please sit this one out chief"
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81. "Nothing wrong with what she said"
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Yal aren't looking at it from the teachers perspective. He's in front of a class 8 hours a day with 20+ kids looking at him per class. I can't imagine the mental fatigue it would cause to not even be able to glance at some of these young women for that long a period of time. I mean when I go to high school sporting events I gotta constantly check myself not to look. Not even on no Kellz shit but that's just reality nowadays. These 15/16/17yr old chiks is looking like 24/25yr old women. Your eyes are going to slip eventually. And that 1 slip could cost a teacher his job. That's a lot of damn pressure.

  

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88. "perhaps adult professionals who cannot handle this ^ 'pressure'"
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do not belong in the classroom.

most adults period shouldn't be teachers. few of us are equipped to deal w/said 'pressure' or any of the host of other pressures that professional teachers face on daily basis. i know i couldn't be a teacher and i applaud those who are able.

fuck you.

  

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86. "let's discuss her ACTUAL point, and then criticize it lol"
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she made it clear in her statement that she's putting responsibility on both parties...the male teachers should control themselves, but the girls should also take care to not dress too provocatively.

my issue with that is that it makes the responsibility seem like it's equal and it's not. I'd rather her have said that the teachers have the FAR GREATER or the MAJORITY of the responsibility in this, which is much closer to the truth.

even though i don't agree 100% with even that, at least it would have been less egregious.

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91. "this is about children...not adults tho"
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as parents its our job to guide them. we can demand more of men...teachers, but let us not forget

shit happens!

we don't live in a world where everyone respects each other or uses common sense.



  

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92. "of course, but i'm still saying the responsibility isn't equal"
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93. "Yes. But we are talking teenagers"
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It's hard enough just get them through high schools without snapchat nudes on the net. And I have a sneaking suspicion the inappropriate dress that we are talking about isn't fuck me heels and stockings, but probably yoga pants, top and a jacket...basically what many women wear normally and don't expect to be accosted by.

>as parents its our job to guide them. we can demand more of
>men...teachers, but let us not forget
>
>shit happens!
>
>we don't live in a world where everyone respects each other or
>uses common sense.
>
>
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94. "we need to revisit what we expect and what really happens thing..."
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all roads lead back to the parents.

  

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98. "People want to turn her statment into dress right or its your fault if a..."
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Gets sexually assaulted but she really didn't say anything like this

No where did she associate a woman's dress with a man's actions (unless you consider being distracted an action). Meaning you dress a certain way even teachers will be looking.

My thing is if you are fine with dress codes in general than its heard to take issue with what she is saying. I mean why exactly do schools have dress codeshirt that say skirts should be knee length?



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109. "It's a slippery slope"
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Ultimately I am not against uniforms and standards to them (dresses a certain length). I do think that the fashion show that can be school does place extra stresses on kids who's families are struggling.

But that's not her point:


>No where did she associate a woman's dress with a man's
>actions (unless you consider being distracted an action).
>Meaning you dress a certain way even teachers will be
>looking.

She specifically mentions "men are automatically attracted to women of child bearing age" along with the distraction. She doesn't say it, but I don't think it requires too much of an imagination of possible implications to using such a term. I don't think she means male teachers are rapey, but imho she's alluding to a change in the normal teacher/student dynamic.

Teachers have been teaching 'hot to trot' teenagers successfully and while I AM for uniforms taking it from the perspective of trying to ease the possible sexual tension between student + teacher is a dark way to look at things.

  

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99. "as a male teacher i'm appreciating this post"
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an article on student activism on the sexism of school dress codes:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/25/living/dress-code-protests-irpt

  

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100. "Fair request, terrible reasoning "
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If a grown ass teacher can't control himself in the presence of "short" dresses, he needs to find a new job and some therapy.

If the way the students are dressing are disrupting the learning environment, then yes they should change how they dress. But not for the sake of the teachers

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101. "So if she said distract the boy students, then it would be alright?"
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That doesn't sound right to me. Let me think about it.



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102. "Distract students in general would be more correct"
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If someone comes to school dressed wildly, it's not only going to bring the attention of students of the opposite sex. Everybody is going to be paying attention.

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103. "oh lord there was a girl in 8th grade who wore mini skirts every day"
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I would stare and stare and stare & not hear the teacher half the time

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107. "i bet plenty of other people in the class got over it though"
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like this chick was showing me her belly piercing before geography and i wasn't right for a couple periods, but that was on my young/dumb ass, not her. and we had a strict uniform policy, which only made that interaction more powerful.

kids in 2016 already have enough trouble *handling* distractions. they don't need to be given more excuses or have adults teaching them that spending all day objectifying others is just how it is.

  

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110. "Agreed. If this is to help keep student/teacher interactions appropriat..."
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>If a grown ass teacher can't control himself in the presence
>of "short" dresses, he needs to find a new job and some
>therapy.
>
>If the way the students are dressing are disrupting the
>learning environment, then yes they should change how they
>dress. But not for the sake of the teachers

We are gonna have bigger problems. If we gotta go down this route, not like guys don't get turned on by women wearing unrevealing regular ass clothes. A creeper would cross that creeper line no matter what a person is wearing.

  

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111. "RE: badu be trippin sometimes"
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Um, a long skirt won't change that when you got an ass. Hell, she should know!!!

While I didn't find this out until after I left high school, there were a few guys who openly admitted to me that they loved it when it wore skirts or dresses. I didn't need to be showing my legs...hell they saw enough of that when I ran track, but I wore long skirts and it did nothing but accentuate my ass! So it doesn't matter if it's long or short, if you got assests, unless you are wearing a burlap sack...you can distract a boy/man...period.

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112. "Yup"
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> So it doesn't matter if it's long or
>short, if you got assests, unless you are wearing a burlap
>sack...you can distract a boy/man...period.

  

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113. "That's a good point and practical. But shorties don't need to "
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be wearing skirts that like this.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/66/d0/a3/66d0a39fec0cff841a51a2eb97ec99d1.jpg

to school.

And I was at a school event last week and peep'd something as short.


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118. "maybe they shouldn't. "
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but NOT b/c adult male professionals will be so distracted that they cannot perform their job duties and/or b/c they may act on their attraction to the girls wearing those skirts at school.

are you capable of understanding that point? it's been made OVER AND OVER in this post. you don't seem to get it.

I give up.


fuck you.

  

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138. "RE: maybe they shouldn't. "
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I agree. But I will say that even when I was in school...I had some horny male teachers. And while I know of only one who was fired for "allegedly" having relations with a student...he also sued the district twice and won.

Most of the male teachers I know, and have had...are professionals.

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150. "Ok."
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fuck you.

  

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114. "This form the chick that did a video walking naked in public. OK."
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115. "All YOUNG GIRLS should dress in a way that exudes self respect"
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aside from whatever potential distraction it may cause to male (and female) educators...

People in general and men/boys specifically, fair or not, tend to respond to women/girls according to her appearance

If there's an expectation in a corporate setting in regards to the type of attire that is appropriate for ADULT WOMEN then why would there not be an expectation for HIGH SCHOOL GIRLS' attire when they're in a academic environment...and shouldn't we hold the parents accountable too for allowing their daughters to dress in really short skirts

And it goes w/o saying there should be some personal responsibility on the part of male educators to not allow a potential distraction as such to interfere w/them maintaining their professionalism

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117. "^^^^^All of this."
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119. "Ugh and FOH. Respectively."
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120. "Agreed"
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fuck you.

  

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122. "Great response - young high school girls should be able to dress"
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however they want, no matter how revealing or inappropriate their clothing might be

They nor their parents should bear any responsibility for that 14,15,16, or 17 yr.old girl leaves their household and presents themselves out here in society

What in the world was I thinking

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123. "wtf does it mean for a girl to dress in a way that 'exudes self respect'..."
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And how can anyone other than one's self decide what dress exudes SELF respect? If I'm a 15 year old and I decide that wearing Daisy Dukes and plastic 6 inch heels makes me feel good and exudes SELF respect bc I respect the fuck outta myself in that outfit in part bc I like the reactions I get you can't tell me shit about that. Bc my clothes exude self respect. Now what?

Say what you mean - you dont mean what you said.

fuck you.

  

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125. "If you have to ask then I won't waste time responding "
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126. "Good. Don't."
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The world needs less bullshit.

fuck you.

  

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162. "chingaso. orale. and hi-five"
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134. "Good idea."
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133. "Totes."
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127. "^^^"
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137. "whose definition of self-respect should they adhere to?"
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or are they allowed to decide what that means for themselves?

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163. "come on now Damali"
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you know he means respectable as set by the gaze of those who construct and benefit from a WSCP power structure, that codes control with ideas of "Self respect"

all that goofy shit vee-lover is talkin' does, is feed the false virgin-whore / good girls-bad girls / wifable-thot dichotomies this country thrives off of. it centers patriarchy, conceals sexism, and feeds rape culture

it's 2016. my head hurts that people don't understand simple shit like this.

  

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171. "Their parents. "
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175. "This is not what you mean."
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What if the kid's parent thinks a girl can exude self respect while topless in a g-string and flip flops? You would not be okay with a girl wearing that to school.

Say what you mean.

fuck you.

  

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184. "You approach this from such a silly theoretical position. "
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If the parent doesn't have good sense and sends their kids to school dressed like that then the school can impose a standard.

We often see show downs between what parents think are acceptable and what the school thinks is acceptable. Ususally not around sexy attire but free speech related attire. Those cases often get settled by a community standard. That is, there is a news story about it and there is some outrage and if the community cares enough about the school overreaching, there is push back.

The things have managed to work themselves out for decades.

>What if the kid's parent thinks a girl can exude self respect
>while topless in a g-string and flip flops? You would not be
>okay with a girl wearing that to school.
>
>Say what you mean.


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187. "so do you."
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i don't think you actually want kids to dress in a manner that 'exudes self respect' as defined by them or their parents. you want them to dress in a manner that 'exudes self respect' as defined by YOU and ppl who agree w/you on the issue.

so say that.

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193. "i really wish people could just admit this."
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225. "Personally, I could give two shits what some kids other than"
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my own children wear. And my children will wear what my parents deem self-respecting.



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227. "Your kids dress according their paternal grandparents' definition of 'se..."
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Ok.

But anyway, in this subthread it was said that kids should wear clothes that 'exude self respect'. We asked who defines 'self respect'? You ppl said 'the kids' parents'. We suggested that's not what you ppl want bc parents' definition of 'self respect' and clothing which 'exudes' such will vary wildly. Indeed I provided 2 purposefully wild examples to support that idea. I suggested that what you ppl actually want is for kids to wear clothing that 'exudes self respect' as YOU define it. And I suggested you ppl say that instead of what you'd actually said.

And now we're here. Where you say your kids dress in a manner that your parents think is respectful. I dunno if you mean THAT. Maybe you do.

fuck you.

  

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229. "That's a typo, I meant the their parents (i.e., me and my wife)"
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I want my kids to dress by me and my wife standards of self-respect. Like I said, personally, I don't give shit what others people kids wear.

This post is the most I've ever thought about school dress codes.



>Ok.
>
>But anyway, in this subthread it was said that kids should
>wear clothes that 'exude self respect'. We asked who defines
>'self respect'? You ppl said 'the kids' parents'. We suggested
>that's not what you ppl want bc parents' definition of 'self
>respect' and clothing which 'exudes' such will vary wildly.
>Indeed I provided 2 purposefully wild examples to support that
>idea. I suggested that what you ppl actually want is for kids
>to wear clothing that 'exudes self respect' as YOU define it.
>And I suggested you ppl say that instead of what you'd
>actually said.
>
>And now we're here. Where you say your kids dress in a manner
>that your parents think is respectful. I dunno if you mean
>THAT. Maybe you do.


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230. "Oh okay. I never know with you."
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fuck you.

  

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161. "get. the. fuck. outta. here. "
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jesus cristo

  

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121. "if teachers cant keep from being distracted they shouldnt teach"
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124. "Really? So there's nothing that a student can wear in terms of their "
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clothing being too revealing that should cause a distraction to the teacher and classroom environment?

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128. "If a teacher can't handle a kid wearing a short skirt"
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the teacher shouldn't be in the classroom or s/he needs some further education or counseling. Other kids will be distracted and that's understandable bc they are kids. But professional adults need to be held to a higher standard.

There are valid reasons to limit children's clothing choice at school - the possibility that a teacher might be so attracted to the child that the teacher is distracted and can't remain professional is NOT a valid reason to limit what kids wear at school. Period.

fuck you.

  

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131. "i mean forget teaching, how do people even function like that?"
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how are you out at the supermarket or on the bus if you're that sidetracked by some tight cloth or skin?

  

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158. "you know?"
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fuck you.

  

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132. "it's sad/weird that this has to be explained to grown adults"
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>the teacher shouldn't be in the classroom or s/he needs some
>further education or counseling. Other kids will be distracted
>and that's understandable bc they are kids. But professional
>adults need to be held to a higher standard.
>
>There are valid reasons to limit children's clothing choice at
>school - the possibility that a teacher might be so attracted
>to the child that the teacher is distracted and can't remain
>professional is NOT a valid reason to limit what kids wear at
>school. Period.


it's sad/weird that this has to be explained to grown adults

  

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164. "it's pathetic really"
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129. "if what's distracting you is clothing, you're not paying attention to th..."
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the person

and that goes positive and negative too...if you're teaching you're probably dealing with so much random shit all the time, i honestly can't see how you'd be thrown by someone's outfit unless you had no self-control.

  

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141. "See, your replies sound more philosophical or theoretical rather "
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practical...


In the real world this issue has already come up before - abt 4 years ago Morehouse College had to impose a dress code due to the gay students coming to class in complete drag CAUSING A DISTRACTION TO THE LEARNING ENVIRONMENT and eventually professors/students complained to the school administrators and thus a dress code was implemented...

Now I'm sure from your viewpoint the professors/students were wrong for allowing these students dressed in drag to DISTRACT them...



>the person
>
>and that goes positive and negative too...if you're teaching
>you're probably dealing with so much random shit all the time,
>i honestly can't see how you'd be thrown by someone's outfit
>unless you had no self-control.
>
>

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148. "no. i have 11 years teaching full time + 3 more part time."
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this is very much a practical issue for me. especially for young people who are going through puberty (say 9-15--it's confusing) and young people who are trying to step up in the world (say 14-21--it's disempowering), the logic you're using does waaaay more harm than good.

>
>
>In the real world this issue has already come up before - abt
>4 years ago Morehouse College had to impose a dress code due
>to the gay students coming to class in complete drag CAUSING A
>DISTRACTION TO THE LEARNING ENVIRONMENT and eventually
>professors/students complained to the school administrators
>and thus a dress code was implemented...
>
>Now I'm sure from your viewpoint the professors/students were
>wrong for allowing these students dressed in drag to DISTRACT
>them...

oh wow. that's a terrible example. you really want to go down the homophobic/transphobic route? you're already losing on perving out on young ladies.

  

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130. "man, go sit down somewhere with your dumbass"
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>clothing being too revealing that should cause a distraction
>to the teacher and classroom environment?

  

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140. "Only if you're a fucking perv."
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I don't get this alternate universe where if he sees some skin a guy crumbles to the ground like Superman and kryptonite. Hop in any public transportation and you're going to be confronted with more then enough skin that most people shrug and continue on about their way to the next party unless they trying to fuck.

  

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143. "The problem that YOU ALL are having is w/the word distraction "
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If a girl wears a skirt that's really short or has her shirt open showing lots of cleavage, because her clothing could be distracting to the classroom environment DOESN'T necessarily mean that teacher is *lusting* for that student

I gave the example above that occurred a few yrs back at Morehouse College when a dress code was implemented because the gay students started coming to class in full drag....and the professors and students complained to school administrators that it was a distraction for them....

It had nothing to do w/the professors or students not being able to control themselves why they wanted something to be done - it was a matter of this situation not being conducive to the learning environment


>I don't get this alternate universe where if he sees some
>skin a guy crumbles to the ground like Superman and
>kryptonite. Hop in any public transportation and you're going
>to be confronted with more then enough skin that most people
>shrug and continue on about their way to the next party unless
>they trying to fuck.

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146. "The Badu tweets were about lust"
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quote:

... aware and awake. Men and women both go thru cycles of arousal. Men automatically are attracted to women of child bearing age....

and we would be talking about uniforms, not full length dresses, if it was about distracting clothes in general. Even in your post above you said 'revealing' clothing.

I just can't comprehend where the entire classroom breaks down in 2016, the smartphone era and all the evils it entails, when a girl shows up in a miniskirt.

  

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149. "I know SHE was but I'm saying the word distraction doesn't necessarily "
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connote lusting


And forget abt the teacher, what if the male students are the ones distracted by a girl's short mini skirt - does the teacher not have a professional obligation to address the issue?


>quote:
>
>... aware and awake. Men and women both go thru cycles of
>arousal. Men automatically are attracted to women of child
>bearing age....
>
>and we would be talking about uniforms, not full length
>dresses, if it was about distracting clothes in general. Even
>in your post above you said 'revealing' clothing.
>
>I just can't comprehend where the entire classroom breaks down
>in 2016, the smartphone era and all the evils it entails, when
>a girl shows up in a miniskirt.

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152. "the TEACHERS ARE THE FUCKING POINT HERE. "
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>And forget abt the teacher

That is an entirely different conversation. This one is about Badu saying schoolgirls should dress in a manner that doesn't distract TEACHERS.

fuck you.

  

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165. "it not a mini skirt thag she's talking about"
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its regular school uniforms that she's saying could be longer. the problem still lies with the teacher. only the teacher can decide how to respond/react to the what he's seen.

what happens when you increase the skirt length past the knees and the teachers are still losing focus?

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135. "I thought it was interesting that in Ghana, they made ALLLL the girls"
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rock low cuts, like as low as mine, until they graduate High School...or either until they turn 18, I can't remember why.

I asked our tour guide why that was the case, and he said it's because they wanted the young girls to stay focused on classwork and to not be distracted by spending time and energy on hair...but also so the men in community knew that they were still children and not adults yet.

I thought it was kinda extreme, and wondered if it was even more to it. Reading about the Badu comments definitely reminds me of it...I remember shaking my head when my Catholic HS stopped letting girls wear skirts at ALLLL...they HAVE TO wear pants now.

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136. "i liked that too but I wondered how many of the girls don't like it"
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and whether being forced to wear their hair the same way and dress the same way is at all harmful to their development and self expression. I wonder if any benefits from the uniformity outweigh the negatives. I didn't know and my guide couldn't tell me much about that. I haven't read up on it since I got back.

fuck you.

  

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144. "Who gives a flying phuck if the girls don't like it, trust me there will"
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countless rules/regulations they don't like but as kids they have to abide by them nonetheless



>and whether being forced to wear their hair the same way and
>dress the same way is at all harmful to their development and
>self expression. I wonder if any benefits from the uniformity
>outweigh the negatives. I didn't know and my guide couldn't
>tell me much about that. I haven't read up on it since I got
>back.

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145. "I'd venture to say that SoWhat is not qualified to speak "
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Intelligently on how to handle growing kids & how to raise them responsibly

I mean if you call heterosexuals "breeders" as a pejorative it just may not be your thing

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147. "^^ (See: post #123)"
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>Intelligently on how to handle growing kids & how to raise
>them responsibly
>
>I mean if you call heterosexuals "breeders" as a pejorative it
>just may not be your thing

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156. "RE: ^^ (See: post #123)"
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Yikes

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157. "You were right not to respond to that."
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All of your patriarchal bullshit has fouled up this post enough. We don't need more of it. You should post less as a general matter.

fuck you.

  

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155. "Yes. That totally makes sense."
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fuck you.

  

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153. "I do, fool."
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I'm not sure if the benefits outweigh the harm. Maybe that's the case. I dunno.

fuck you.

  

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151. "She's trolling "
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159. "so are the more obtuse okp-ers"
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256. "lol..yes..it's really funny to watch..lol"
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166. "man, y'all are some interesting people"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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167. "i wonder if this has anything to do wit that awkward performance... "
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in the highschool where no like her music :-\

https://youtu.be/Vz55TMnxguI

  

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168. "lmao"
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169. "Erykah had a lengthy discussion on her twitter."
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This is a touchy subject and her tweets shouldn't be singled out and shared out of context, thats irresponsible.

anyways, for whoever is interested.

https://twitter.com/fatbellybella

very heated debates in here for a thread that doesn't feature nan link.

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170. "thanks to the magic of the Internet"
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we can all read info posted elsewhere on the 'net even if it's not here in this post.

amazing, right???

but see also post #53, smartass.

fuck you.

  

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172. "The discussion spanned about 2 days (and counting)"
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The article buddy posted copy-pasted the jist of her argument, which is fine, but you're also missing out the conversation she opened up with her followers who argued the same points people in here argued.

"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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176. "cool."
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fuck you.

  

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173. "Then what is the purpose of a dress code?"
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Some of yall are arguing there shouldn't be any dress code but I think yall are just trying to be extreme to make a point.

But most reasonable people would say that a girl shouldn't be able to show up at her school dressed like this (NSFW)

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/fHpL14W6g10/maxresdefault.jpg

(which is an actual prom dress btw), but if you think she shouldn't be able to show up at school dressed like that, why?



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174. "cause its 2016"
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wear whatever you like... be free...

If Sowhat wants to wear daisy dukes and plastic high heels why should we stop him?

just do yer jerb!!

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177. "My god."
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I wish I knew how to fix you.

I can't keep repeating the same thing. Can I? When you have failed to understand the 3 or 4 other times I've said and others have said that the issue here is that Badu claimed girls should be made to wear longer skirts to avoid distracting TEaCHERS. The proble is fucking NOT with the idea of a dress code. Should I say this in a foreign language? Do you not understand English? We've said there can be good reasons to restrict what students wear but avoiding turning on teachers is NOT one of them. It's all here n this post but you keep missing it. You also keep trying to make this discussion about dress codes generally. Actually not generally bc you focus on girls exclusively. Which is gross of you. But whatever - the point is not about dress codes generally.

I wish you were better. Damn.

fuck you.

  

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178. "Sometimes its not all about you guy. I was not directly addressing "
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you.

Chill out.


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179. "who are you addressing? Which comment(s)?"
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fuck you.

  

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182. "How about everyone attacking Badu that's not SoWhat?"
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I wasn't addressing anyone in particular. There are a bunch of people in this post who seem to be speaking out against dress codes in general. Damili, Rdhull, BigReg, etc.

There is no reason for you to get personally worked up liked you are the only one in this post taking your position and it's your job to enlighten me.

If you made your point clear, which I think you have, then you don't have to pathologically keep repeating yourself (but I am the one who needs help, SMH). I can read.

It just so happens that I am also interested in hearing what OTHER people have to say about dress codes.

So new rule: unless I directly address you or reply to your post, assume I am not only interested in hearing what only you have to say.

It'll make us both happier.

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183. "better rule: stop being dense."
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Bc no one here is arguing against dress codes generally.

fuck you.

  

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189. "How about let's try not to be rude?"
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I got lead down the rabbit hole of following the link rawsouthpaw put up about kids protesting what they consider sexist dress codes.

And most dress codes are premised on the distraction argument. And the distraction argument is largely built on the idea that women should restrict how they dressed because men are horn dogs.

It seems like Badu's big mistake was referring to teachers. And folks here would have found it uncontroversial if she were referring only to other kids.

I find that an interesting distinction to make because it's a distinction without at all a difference. Whether you describe it as a distraction to boys or male teachers, the net result is exactly the same. Women aren't allowed to wear certain provactive clothing.

It just seems odd to me to rail on Badu not for subscribing to the idea of restricting women's clothing based on male gaze, but because she acknowledged that it is also male teachers who might be distracted by how the girls are dressed.

That's the point I was ultimately trying to get at.

But please, please. Don't feel the need to respond and enlighten me. Especially if you are going to just continue to repeat yourself.

I get your point. I promise.

I am genuinely interested in hearing from other people how they feel about dictating women's dressed based on male gaze or whether some times that's just a fact of life.

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190. "..."
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>It seems like Badu's big mistake was referring to teachers.
>And folks here would have found it uncontroversial if she were
>referring only to other kids.

YES!!!

YAY!!!

there it is.

>I find that an interesting distinction to make because it's a
>distinction without at all a difference. Whether you describe
>it as a distraction to boys or male teachers, the net result
>is exactly the same. Women aren't allowed to wear certain
>provactive clothing.

*rolls eyes*

*exits discussion*

fuck you.

  

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192. "For the record im mostly for uniforms"
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I said in #109, to help ease the fashion/accessory arms race that inevitably makes poor kids feel like outsiders.

Even taking away Badu's argument of possible stat rape to make modest dress an issue it just seems conservative-protestant then a 'real' issue in 2016, a time where teens are actively sending each other nude pics. Like watch any high school centric movie in the 70's and its ass cheeks galore for both sexes.

And man to man, lets not act like the male gaze is heavily reliant on a certain level of undress...we are still in bundling up weather on the east coast and i am pretty sure there hasn't been THAT steep a drop off in the average eye fucking. We gonna leer at what we like regardless if she's wearing juicy sweatpants or a nice wintercoat below the knees that just happens to have an ample bump where the buttocks are.

The responsibility of the male gaze is on the MALES not the females. Now obviously we can take the example to the extreme of a prom withoutfit like you posted above, but 99% of the time the issue is gonna be open blouses and yoga pants....things the kids are going to see anyway just by living life. its not hard to make the leap into 'you asked for it' territory if anything goes wrong and there is an implied message we are sending towards women by putting the responsibility on their side to 'dress modestly'

  

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185. "daaaaamn buuuuddy"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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195. "bro, as not SoWhat, as a teacher, you need to do fucn better"
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especially since you, as a Black man, who is married, with kids, and has what seems to be some economic freedom, which means options for healthier choices, better schools, quality food, etc...

do fucn better in playing your social and private position IN NOT EXACERBATING SHITTY FUCN LOGIC, MICROAGGRESSIONS, AND SEXISM. the end.

this is simple, REGARDLESS of what young girls/women wear, the onus is on the teacher NOT to be a piece of shit, not the girl. Erykah's statement did the opposite, no matter how much she tried to intellectual aikido that shit

christ, this is almost as bad as the position you took on Ahmed's "bomb" in Texas

stop being washed, nigga, fuck

  

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196. "Y'all gotta stop dialing these arguments up to personal shit "
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All the damn time y'all on here taking it to someone's personal life because of an opinion on non-personal shit

Telling people to do better in life as if you have an eye in the sky watching their day to day over fucking opinions

It's Wack as hell

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202. "he counted buddy's money AND went in his fridge"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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206. "breh, you??? you!!! LOLzers"
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.

  

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212. "don't brand me bro"
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I fucked up once and learned from it.

Also had someone talk about me seed one time and that's a fucked up angle to use in an argument.

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248. "i'll say it's not getting personal, at all, it's reversing "
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the pigheaded self-righteous position of "I have kids, so..."

me = I don't give a shit.

It really doesn't provide you or me with any leverage in an intellectual or theoretical debate. Buddy and others think because they're parents they have some keen insight on children and society.

FOH

so when folk throw that "but are you a parent" like Buddy been throwing around in here, I'm'a hit with the well, since you a parent shouldn't you hold better positions on shit, like you know, discourse around rape culture?

if YOU, legs, think No, well good for you, me, astral, disagrees

  

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263. "I'm the proud parent of a baby girl"
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and someone did the "I feel sorry for your daughter" bullshit with me...

that's the angle I was coming from

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205. "one i was gunna get personal with you, but naw"
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second, you still on that bullshit

third, OUR personal shit, that we have, and refuse to work through because we are socially, emotionally, and intellectually lazy, is what ends up collectively feeding the systems and structures that brutalize people.

do you understand that.

Buddy is constantly on these boards saying some really stupid shit, trying to pass it off as logic and reason, and serious debate. it's wack and i expect better from him and MANY other people, especially those with access to power and privilege

so this be me not giving one fuck about how it made you feel

because the women who end up raped, because in various ways WE feed the "well if she didn't dress like that" logic, but it's not personal, from seas to fucn shining sea, is 1000x worse

  

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207. "In his defense alot of it is devil's advocacy."
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>Buddy is constantly on these boards saying some really stupid
>shit, trying to pass it off as logic and reason, and serious
>debate. it's wack and i expect better from him and MANY other
>people, especially those with access to power and privilege

and its good to have counter voices if technically wrong. Personally Im not worried about him as opposed to some other posters who Im pretty sure carry a few vials of roofies on them for saturday nights and at least he backs up his arguments with some sort of reasoning as opposed to FUCK YOU, THAT'S WHY which tends to be what those kids reply with.

  

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246. "It's not really devil's advocacy, I just think Badu ain't saying nothing"
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that any other older black woman wouldn't say.


What trips me out is this numb nuts thinks he is so enlightened but I positively guarantee that he can't articulate what he believes I believe, that I actually believe or have stated.

>>Buddy is constantly on these boards saying some really
>stupid
>>shit, trying to pass it off as logic and reason, and serious
>>debate. it's wack and i expect better from him and MANY
>other
>>people, especially those with access to power and privilege
>
>and its good to have counter voices if technically wrong.
>Personally Im not worried about him as opposed to some other
>posters who Im pretty sure carry a few vials of roofies on
>them for saturday nights and at least he backs up his
>arguments with some sort of reasoning as opposed to FUCK YOU,
>THAT'S WHY which tends to be what those kids reply with.
>
>


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249. "lol. "numb nuts""
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you so right Buddy G, i forgot you have kids

  

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236. "the only reason you or anyone else could get personal with me"
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Is because I've shared with YALL a lot of things about who I am that YALL are afraid to share in this context

all I know about you is the kinds of music you like & that you're self righteous about your viewpoints

I'm still always here for you if you need me my son

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251. "Amen"
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211. "spot on"
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=======================================
Coolin...

  

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216. "Nice of you to share but who da fuck are you to tell someone..."
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to do better? Not at all a rhetorical question I really want to know?

If you saying you doing better than me I'd like to know how? What Metric you using? Because you are a teacher? Because you out in these streets for the cause? Because you have raised kids? You've got more life experiences? What is it?

Answer these questions if you can. I legit want to know the source of this confidence you got it figured out and I'd fucked up.


Cause I would offer you don't know shit about me. So chill with the psychoanalysing bullshit. Same as I don't know shit about you or anyone else posting here. I try to keep that in mind with anyone I interact here. Namely I try to give folks the benefit of the doubt and not make things personal with folks here. And I would never fix my lips (or my typing fingers) to tell someone some moral superior bullshit like they should "do better".

To me this whole argument boils down to a bunch of internet sound and fury trying to tell a 45-year-old mother of two daughters that she is apologizing for rapist because she is acknowledging that despite everyone agreeing that teachers shouldn't be leering at young girls, that shit goes on. Everyone stating male teachers should control themselves are stating the obvious. I do think people made the good practical point that lowering the hem a couple of inches won't change that but I don't believe schools are somehow harming girls self-expression or whatever by mandating it. And despite everyone agreeing that teachers shouldn't be leering at students, schools have been doing for decades what Badu recommends and I don't see this great harm to students development because of it. If you see it I'd like to hear it.

The thing is grown folks can discuss Badu's opinion and disagree (which folks like BigReg and the few women here have done) without resorting to making folks who think differently evil, dumb and rapist apologist. I am going to presume Badu is making her statements out of a desire to protect her daughters and other young women, not to protect rapist.

But self-righteous children on the internet aren't capable of that. I mean look at all the shit that's been spit at Badu on her twitter account? You think that's intelligent people discussing the issue? If you do then clearly that's the level you should stick to.

And if I were the type to get person, which I am not, I would say you are one of those children who lacks the sophistication of thought to not get in his feelings when discussing delicate topics, can't tell the difference between normative and positive positions, doesn't do nuance and must demonize people who disagree with you. You just don't come off as a person who has spent much time around people who think differently from you or challenge your ideas. But again, I am not the type to get person so I won't say all that.

And despite all that even still I wouldn't tell you to do better. Cause maybe all that works for you. If it works for you who am I to judge?

The irony to me is that you talk about microagression and all the buzz words of progressive thought when you resort to the same sort of narrow minded self-righteous mansplaining to Badu that you would expect of the folks you rail against. Notice none of the women in the post (except for soulpsychodelicyde but she soulpsychodelicyde) took the moral outrage with Badu's statement that you did? Even the folks who agreed in part and also had critiques to add like Damali. But that didn't stop you from Splain rape culture, sexism and patriarchy to her. Damali?!! SMH. You just as bad as them. I mean are you really comfortable coming at the neck of a 45 year old mother for making her daughter and other women aware that dudes, even teachers, can be creeps? That's rich.

But you stick to your playbook if that is working for you. I will stick to mine. Which by the way, was good enough for my parents, and their parents. You think you got something better figured out, let me know.

But I am going to ask again for you to tell me who the fuck you are to tell me to do better?

Otherwise, Stay Humble.


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217. "*head explodes*"
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>To me this whole argument boils down to a bunch of internet
>sound and fury trying to tell a 45-year-old mother of two
>daughters that she is apologizing for rapist because she is
>acknowledging that despite everyone agreeing that teachers
>shouldn't be leering at young girls, that shit goes on.
>Everyone stating male teachers should control themselves are
>stating the obvious. I do think people made the good
>practical point that lowering the hem a couple of inches won't
>change that but I don't believe schools are somehow harming
>girls self-expression or whatever by mandating it. And despite
>everyone agreeing that teachers shouldn't be leering at
>students, schools have been doing for decades what Badu
>recommends and I don't see this great harm to students
>development because of it. If you see it I'd like to hear it.

my god.

again.

anyway, yes, we know schools have had dress codes for quite a while now. but the point of the dress codes is

*****NOT*****

to keep teachers from acting on attraction to students.

the point of the dress codes is

*******************************************NOT***************************************************

to keep teachers

from acting on

attraction

to children.

the point of the dress codes is


NOT

to keep teachers from acting attraction to students.

that's not the point of the dress codes.

it's not to keep teachers from acting on attraction to students.

that's not the point

of dress

codes.

it's not to keep teachers from acting on a ttrac

tion

to studen
ts.

that's not why kids are instructed to dress in certain prescribed manner while at school.

it's not intended to keep teachers from acting on attraction to students.

it's not.

that's not the point.

it's not that.

it
is
no
t
that
.

it's not that.

no.

not that.

that's not it.

it's not that.

no.

fuck you.

  

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219. "You are repeating yourself and now you are just making stuff up"
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You can say that dress codes should be written only for male students but you have no basis for saying that all dress codes that prohibit sexy clothes ONLY contemplating male students. Like how would you even know that? It's in the preface for all dress codes? Which you have all read?

Just absolutely no basis for saying that.

I mean the first thing that comes to mind why do all girls schools have dress codes that restrict sexy clothes?


This how you argue in court?


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221. "*i* am, huh?"
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>You can say that dress codes should be written only for male
>students but you have no basis for saying that all dress codes
>that prohibit sexy clothes ONLY contemplating male students.
>Like how would you even know that? It's in the preface for all
>dress codes? Which you have all read?
>
yup. i've read them all.

all of the dress codes.

>Just absolutely no basis for saying that.

i read all of the codes, fam.

>I mean the first thing that comes to mind why do all girls
>schools have dress codes that restrict sexy clothes?

to prevent distractions in the classroom. and another opportunity to teach the children the importance of following direction.

>This how you argue in court?

yes i conduct myself on OKP and in the rest of my life exactly as i do in court. i'm a trial lawyer 24/7. everything i do is the same - i act in court as i do w/my family and w/my homies. it's all the same me. i'm not dynamic or multi-faceted. i don't code-switch. i have one mode of operation.

and a winning trial record.

fuck you.

  

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228. "Oh and since you don't get personal"
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>This how you argue in court?

I'm going to follow your lead and not ridicule you as being a useless lawyer who's scared of court. Bc I think i recall you saying you're a lawyer and if so you must stay out of court bc you don't belong. Bc you struggle so much with reading comprehension and logic and thinking on your feet.

But I won't do that bc we're not getting personal here. So that dig about my lawyering must be something else.

fuck you.

  

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233. "Nice try. I don't go to court often because I am in-house"
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and my job is to keep my company out of court. I just got promoted to GC so your not going to make me feel some type of way taking shots at my legal skills.

>>This how you argue in court?
>
>I'm going to follow your lead and not ridicule you as being a
>useless lawyer who's scared of court. Bc I think i recall you
>saying you're a lawyer and if so you must stay out of court bc
>you don't belong. Bc you struggle so much with reading
>comprehension and logic and thinking on your feet.
>
>But I won't do that bc we're not getting personal here. So
>that dig about my lawyering must be something else.


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241. "RE: Nice try. I don't go to court often because I am in-house"
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My dads been a lawyer for his entire post law school life & im pretty sure he hasn't been in court since JAG in the 70s

What a bizzare line of attack

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266. "uh huh."
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again, we're not getting personal here. right? b/c you don't do that. yet YOU tried to come for me about my lawyering.

okay.

fuck you.

  

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218. "*head explodes*"
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>And despite
>everyone agreeing that teachers shouldn't be leering at
>students, schools have been doing for decades what Badu
>recommends

http://i.imgur.com/oNObxMf.gif

https://notgoingwiththeflowdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/no.jpg

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fuck you.

  

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220. "So now schools haven't had dress codes?"
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This is part of your schools have had dress codes, only to avoid distraction from the male students, not the teachers argument?

Bizarre.


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222. "yup. "
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that's what i mean.

that schools don't have dress codes.

absolutely.

fuck you.

  

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250. "RE: i'm a human who shares this Earth with you"
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and 6 billion other people. you self centered jack ass

>to do better? Not at all a rhetorical question I really want
>to know?
>

just like people in my family, in my community, in my social circle, in my creative circle who ask me / push me to do better when I fuck up, or act out of pocket, or produce half-assed work. I'm telling you to do better

just like we ask businesses, and organizations, and politicians to do better when we organize, protest, sign petitions, or vote. I'm asking you to do better, because I can.

do you have to? hell naw

it's literally an intellectual and creative tension that propels us as people on earth "forward"

>If you saying you doing better than me I'd like to know how?
>What Metric you using? Because you are a teacher? Because you
>out in these streets for the cause? Because you have raised
>kids? You've got more life experiences? What is it?
>
you literally just answered your own question.

'cept I don't have kids, but what's weird is that i have 5 sisters with 14 nieces and nephews, and my youngest sister, when her aint shit sperm donor tapped out years ago, i was their father for 3 years since she lived with me and got her education, so did I have kids, at some point? you can answer this better than me...

and I guess you have more experience then me since you a whole decade older

but since you say elder wisdom shit like "isn't it funny how conscious rappers grew up to be dumb and the rappers like Diddy and 50 are actually doing something" I'm sure your metric is economic stability and wealth, which well champ, I can tell you myself, you got me beat

>Answer these questions if you can. I legit want to know the
>source of this confidence you got it figured out and I'd
>fucked up.
>
>
>Cause I would offer you don't know shit about me. So chill
>with the psychoanalysing bullshit. Same as I don't know shit
>about you or anyone else posting here. I try to keep that in
>mind with anyone I interact here. Namely I try to give folks
>the benefit of the doubt and not make things personal with
>folks here. And I would never fix my lips (or my typing
>fingers) to tell someone some moral superior bullshit like
>they should "do better".
>
K

>To me this whole argument boils down to a bunch of internet
>sound and fury trying to tell a 45-year-old mother of two
>daughters that she is apologizing for rapist because she is
>acknowledging that despite everyone agreeing that teachers
>shouldn't be leering at young girls, that shit goes on.
>Everyone stating male teachers should control themselves are
>stating the obvious.

how is this the obvious, when she's getting co-signs from ppl like you who weren't even stating that she ignorantly placed the blame on victims

I do think people made the good
>practical point that lowering the hem a couple of inches won't
>change that but I don't believe schools are somehow harming
>girls self-expression or whatever by mandating it.

dress codes inherently "harm" self-expression, but kids are so dope even with uniforms they find ways to individualize the monoculture of it...

And despite
>everyone agreeing that teachers shouldn't be leering at
>students, schools have been doing for decades what Badu
>recommends and I don't see this great harm to students
>development because of it. If you see it I'd like to hear it.
>
ohh now the argument is about the harm the dress code does to the young girl and not that harm will come whenever a violent person enacts violence over the female body.

ohh if it's about the lower hem doing harm to a body and mind, of course your right. how can clothes do harm?

>
>The thing is grown folks can discuss Badu's opinion and
>disagree (which folks like BigReg and the few women here have
>done) without resorting to making folks who think differently
>evil, dumb and rapist apologist. I am going to presume Badu is
>making her statements out of a desire to protect her daughters
>and other young women, not to protect rapist.
>

>But self-righteous children on the internet aren't capable of
>that. I mean look at all the shit that's been spit at Badu on
>her twitter account? You think that's intelligent people
>discussing the issue? If you do then clearly that's the level
>you should stick to.
>

i'm not on twitter. didn't follow the back and forth outside a few screen shots. which showed me some folk made good points and others didn't, in terms of the attack on her comment

Kirsten West Savali's Root article I rock with, Erykah can stay mad all she wants

>And if I were the type to get person, which I am not, I would
>say you are one of those children who lacks the sophistication
>of thought to not get in his feelings when discussing delicate
>topics, can't tell the difference between normative and
>positive positions, doesn't do nuance and must demonize people
>who disagree with you. You just don't come off as a person
>who has spent much time around people who think differently
>from you or challenge your ideas. But again, I am not the type
>to get person so I won't say all that.

lol, I love my feelings homeboy. feelings don't dilute intellectual arguments to me or for those I rock with. that's that western colonizer paradigm of the logical man does not get emotional, emotions are for women bullshit. all that other hurt alert caca you trying to code is laughable.

>
>And despite all that even still I wouldn't tell you to do
>better. Cause maybe all that works for you. If it works for
>you who am I to judge?
>
well I'm glad my parents. my mentors, my partners, and other told me to do better. all my life. but you're a stranger right? so don't do better. just be buddy_g, ok. i'll never be mean to you again.

>The irony to me is that you talk about microagression and all
>the buzz words of progressive thought when you resort to the
>same sort of narrow minded self-righteous mansplaining to Badu
>that you would expect of the folks you rail against. Notice
>none of the women in the post (except for soulpsychodelicyde
>but she soulpsychodelicyde) took the moral outrage with Badu's
>statement that you did? Even the folks who agreed in part and
>also had critiques to add like Damali. But that didn't stop
>you from Splain rape culture, sexism and patriarchy to her.
>Damali?!! SMH. You just as bad as them. I mean are you really
>comfortable coming at the neck of a 45 year old mother for
>making her daughter and other women aware that dudes, even
>teachers, can be creeps? That's rich.

i didn't come at Damali, you non reading clown. I came at Vee-Lover. I co-signed her rhetorical question with my mansplaining to Vee-Lover.
>
>But you stick to your playbook if that is working for you. I
>will stick to mine. Which by the way, was good enough for my
>parents, and their parents. You think you got something better
>figured out, let me know.
>
>But I am going to ask again for you to tell me who the fuck
>you are to tell me to do better?
>
>Otherwise, Stay Humble.
>
answered above cabron. you stay humble. i'll stay arrogant and full of moral outrage

  

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257. "I invite you to kick ALL of the rocks, my dude... "
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The idea that girls should wear longer skirts so teachers aren't distracted is REPUGNANT and I will continue to be 'morally outraged' by the shit. FURTHER, I will continue to be horrified at the notion that a WOMAN is advocating for this.

So yeah.. those rocks? Kick 'em. All of 'em.

Thanks.


>The irony to me is that you talk about microagression and all
>the buzz words of progressive thought when you resort to the
>same sort of narrow minded self-righteous mansplaining to Badu
>that you would expect of the folks you rail against. Notice
>none of the women in the post (except for soulpsychodelicyde
>but she soulpsychodelicyde) took the moral outrage with Badu's
>statement that you did? Even the folks who agreed in part and
>also had critiques to add like Damali. But that didn't stop
>you from Splain rape culture, sexism and patriarchy to her.
>Damali?!! SMH. You just as bad as them. I mean are you really
>comfortable coming at the neck of a 45 year old mother for
>making her daughter and other women aware that dudes, even
>teachers, can be creeps? That's rich.

  

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197. "RE: My god."
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These are the fruits of your moral relativism & adherence to principles that you hold for your own selfish reasons

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198. "that's good b/c i like fruit."
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thanks.

fuck you.

  

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180. "It's fine for schools to restrict students' clothing choice to avoid"
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having students wear clothing that will distract OTHER STUDENTS.

Other.
Students.

Students.

Aka children.

But not to avoid distracting teachers who may be so attracted that they can't be professional. Bc if those teachers can't be professional bc of their attraction to children then they should not be teaching or they need counseling.

fuck you.

  

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181. "That prom dress is nsfw, btw."
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>But most reasonable people would say that a girl shouldn't be
>able to show up at her school dressed like this
>
>https://i.ytimg.com/vi/fHpL14W6g10/maxresdefault.jpg
>
>(which is an actual prom dress btw), but if you think she
>shouldn't be able to show up at school dressed like that,
>why?

  

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186. "AT ALL"
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****************
TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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191. "I tried to go back and edit but it was too late. My bad. "
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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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194. "I pray for my son"
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I really do. He's not going to stand a chance. Some junior in high school with the body of Blak Chyna going to ruin this lil niggas life in 3yrs. I ain't getting him a car till after he graduates. Ain't buying him no Js and he only getting a haircut once a month. I gotta keep him off the radar of these chiks and in the lame spectrum as long as possible. He going to fight me tooth n nail but I just gotta keep telling him to trust me.

  

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209. "Get him braces...even if he don't need them. "
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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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213. "yo.. this is all types of wrong. LOL"
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****************
TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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199. "my logic may be off but ima relate this issue to gun control "
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people have the ability to do, feel & think terrible things

guns make it easier for people to choose to do terrible things to other people, so folks want to control guns as a pragmatic response to gun violence

Young girls/women dressing in ways that can cause people to choose to think or feel terrible things about other people, so folks want to control dress as a pragmatic response to these terrible thoughts/feelings

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200. "RE: my logic may be off."
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No, your logic is abhorrent.

fuck you.

  

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201. "RE: my logic may be off."
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I'd ask you to explain but that's not you is it?

Dismissive & condescending is you

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203. "No I just don't fuck with you like that."
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So no I'm not going to explain any further. You're a lost cause. I wrote you off years ago.

fuck you.

  

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210. "lmao"
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=======================================
Coolin...

  

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234. "I'm tax exempt already, can't write me off "
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No refund for you, IRS needs that paper

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204. "Nah man, it's bad"
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A gun is a device who's only use is to murder someone. End of story. We can spin its use (sports, protection from the gov/police, protection from criminals) but its a tool used strictly to kill people. People want to control it because the ability to instantly take a life with a finger twitch should have pounds of rules on top of it. We aren't controlling guns because the victims can't handle themselves and indiscriminately start attacking or in this case and start copping feels on people who carry them, lol


I have a daughter going to cheerleader practice and some piece of shit rapes her, I can't imagine a scenario where I am going to be like 'Well, maybe you should have worn jogging pants on the bus before he choked you out and dragged you into the alley'. I am grabbing that MOTHERFUCKING GUN we previously mentioned, lol.

The logical conclusion of 'HS girls should dress modest' is fucked for both sides

1)If anything creepy happens the assumption is that it was preventable if women dressed better, so it's women's fault.

2)It assumes ALL, if not a large amount, of men are inherently sexual predators with only the basic threads of society keeping them in check. Once a small thread unravels (yoga pants!) it's on?

And we know both those things above are false. We read about dudes raping grandmothers, not like they are dressing sexy. On the inverse it doesn't take long for the novelty of being in a strip club to wear off before you're flirting with the ones you like, ignoring the ones you dont even though everyone is butt as naked

  

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244. "RE: Nah man, it's bad"
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Yeah, y'all done did the group think thing

You're all convinced that anyone is saying anything even close to something about someone deserving anything

but the snowball is at the bottom of the hill by now so y'all have fun melting that ice

Meanwhile I'll call my local school system and thank them for the dress code that keeps my 12 year olds long legs under cloth

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254. "DONT YOU PUT THAT EVIL ON ME RICKY BOBBY"
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>Yeah, y'all done did the group think thing
>
>You're all convinced that anyone is saying anything even close
>to something about someone deserving anything
>
>but the snowball is at the bottom of the hill by now so y'all
>have fun melting that ice

I AINT SAY SHIT ABOUT ANYBODY! lol.

I just disagreed, respectfully.

  

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270. "RE: DONT YOU PUT THAT EVIL ON ME RICKY BOBBY"
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No doubt

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215. "did u really just say this?:"
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>Young girls/women dressing in ways that can cause people to
>choose to think or feel terrible things about other people, so
>folks want to control dress as a pragmatic response to these
>terrible thoughts/feelings

  

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243. "No, I typed it...this morning "
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>>Young girls/women dressing in ways that can cause people to
>>choose to think or feel terrible things about other people,
>so
>>folks want to control dress as a pragmatic response to these
>>terrible thoughts/feelings
>

and my subject line acknowledged that I was probably not making a good analogy

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208. "damn! "
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when will people stop putting all the blame on girls
and women, we as male need to learn to control our
dick.

yeah i love a big booty and a smile but damn it can't
be about that all the time

  

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214. "I didn't read it as ALL THE BLAME"
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more like "men aren't changing anytime soon so until they do help yourself out"

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224. "the onus is on the teacher to act right-be right"
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>more like "men aren't changing anytime soon so until they do
>help yourself out"

  

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235. "Right but be aware of the ones who don't act right."
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259. "no shit, why yall keep stating the obvious tho?"
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I mean, we all know everyone is supposed to be professional and do their jobs..

now that we got the way, no lingerie, booty shorts, but huggers or fishnet shorts at the job.

why? cause even though we are all supposed 8th be professional, shit happens so adhere to this dress code.

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223. "I know this has about run it's course but I have some parting questions...."
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1. Do folks really think in any way Badu is saying that if a teacher makes advances on a student, it's not 100% the teachers fault? Do folks really think she is in any way a rapist apologist?

2. If you have or had a daughter, would you warn her about the negative attention her style of dress may bring? Even from teachers?

3. Do you believe dressing a certain way attracts certain attention*? Even from teachers? (Not should it but does it actually)

4. Would you restrict your daughter from wearing sexually provocative clothes until she reached a certain age? If so, why?

5. If no would a mother be wrong for restricting what her daughter from wearing sexually provocative clothing? Is that participating in sexism, rape culture, etc.**?

6. Guys, have you ever approached women a certain way based on their style of dress? Women (any left), have you ever purposes dressed a certain way to get certain attention?

7. Is a school dress code that takes into account male gaze inherently sexist?


Listen I know many of yall don't do nuance, don't want to parse the topic and it's all very simple to you (Badu = Bad). Don't feel the need to dive in if you are going to not answer the questions and say the same thing that's been said a dozen times. I get your point. I do.

I am interested to hear folks with some new thoughts about how you reconcile dress codes, male gaze, progressive feminist ideas and being a parent who done seen some things.



*And we can agree that no style of dress justifies and is responsible for harassment, assault or rape. The onus is on men, not women to not harras, assault or rape woemen. You really don't have to keep repeating that point. It's gotten.

** Of course there is a difference between a mother setting rules and a school. Acknowledge so need to repeat that over and over again.



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226. "you say you get it but you clearly don't."
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>1. Do folks really think in any way Badu is saying that if a
>teacher makes advances on a student, it's not 100% the
>teachers fault? Do folks really think she is in any way a
>rapist apologist?

i think that her statement let teachers off the hook where she left room to blame a student who wears a too-short skirt that pushed her teacher's button where he had no control over his urges b/c he's naturally attracted to her and can't help but act on that urge. it's problematic. it doesn't mean she's a bad person it just means she said something that was maybe not as well thought out as it could've been. maybe it needed to be fleshed out. but on its face it's a problematic statement.

>2. If you have or had a daughter, would you warn her about the
>negative attention her style of dress may bring? Even from
>teachers?

i would warn her about wearing certain clothing. i would warn her it might bring certain attention. i would not necessarily warn her about that attention from teachers. i would instead tell her that if any teacher ever acts toward her in a way that makes her uncomfortable that she should come to me immediately w/that concern. that she shouldn't wait. that even if she's not sure if the teacher meant to make her uncomfortable even if she thinks she's making it up she should tell me. we should talk about it. that i would not ever blame her for bringing on the teacher's attraction b/c it's not her fault b/c her adult professional teachers should be better than that. and so no matter what she wore i wouldn't blame her for whatever her teacher said or did to make her uncomfortable. i would also want her to talk to me if she's developing a crush on a teacher that she thinks the teacher is responding to positively. i wouldn't know exactly how to finesse that part of the conversation - but i wouldn't assume that all attention from teachers is something bad to her or would make her uncomfortable. and i'd still want to know about that too - i'd especially want to know about that. but i would not ever tell her that something she wears could cause a teacher to be attracted to her b/c that might make her feel like if she's in a bad way w/a teacher who's perving on her that i might blame HER for it. and then she might hide it from me. so i wouldn't go there.

>3. Do you believe dressing a certain way attracts certain
>attention*? Even from teachers? (Not should it but does it
>actually)

duh. yeah. but i also know that certain attention comes no matter what a person wears.

>4. Would you restrict your daughter from wearing sexually
>provocative clothes until she reached a certain age? If so,
>why?

it depends on the definition of 'sexually provocative clothes'. i dunno what that is. it'd be handled on a case-by-case basis. and totally dependent on context. and circumstance. and all that jazz.

>5. If no would a mother be wrong for restricting what her
>daughter from wearing sexually provocative clothing? Is that
>participating in sexism, rape culture, etc.**?

lol

again - totally depends on context and circumstance and all that jazz.

>7. Is a school dress code that takes into account male gaze
>inherently sexist?

https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/42300179.jpg

anyway, the problem i'm having w/your broader discussion of dress codes is you focus solely on what girls wear that attracts male attention.

do you understand that school dress codes are intended to prevent kids from wearing clothing that disrupts the learning environment and that the restriction isn't primarily concerned w/preventing sexual attraction between students and teachers or even between students? that dress codes don't focus solely on what girls wear? b/c i can't tell that you know this.

fuck you.

  

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231. "What exactly do I don't get?"
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Thu Apr-14-16 06:59 PM by Buddy_Gilapagos

  

          

>>1. Do folks really think in any way Badu is saying that if
>a
>>teacher makes advances on a student, it's not 100% the
>>teachers fault? Do folks really think she is in any way a
>>rapist apologist?
>
>i think that her statement let teachers off the hook where she
>left room to blame a student who wears a too-short skirt that
>pushed her teacher's button where he had no control over his
>urges b/c he's naturally attracted to her and can't help but
>act on that urge. it's problematic. it doesn't mean she's a
>bad person it just means she said something that was maybe not
>as well thought out as it could've been. maybe it needed to
>be fleshed out. but on its face it's a problematic statement.


The convo has been going for a minute on twitter and been fleshed out quite a bit. The funny thing is that she never said girls should wear long skirts to ward off the attention of male teachers. I agreed it's a reasonable implication of her statement but reading more of what she writes she is talking about men in general, not only teachers specifically. You can fixate on that one part of the convo because it is the part that makes her look fcuked up and you look the "most right" though it's generally conceded as being problematic, but there is a broader discussion about dress codes and gender that is being missed.



>
>>2. If you have or had a daughter, would you warn her about
>the
>>negative attention her style of dress may bring? Even from
>>teachers?
>
>i would warn her about wearing certain clothing. i would warn
>her it might bring certain attention. i would not necessarily
>warn her about that attention from teachers. i would instead
>tell her that if any teacher ever acts toward her in a way
>that makes her uncomfortable that she should come to me
>immediately w/that concern. that she shouldn't wait. that
>even if she's not sure if the teacher meant to make her
>uncomfortable even if she thinks she's making it up she should
>tell me. we should talk about it. that i would not ever
>blame her for bringing on the teacher's attraction b/c it's
>not her fault b/c her adult professional teachers should be
>better than that. and so no matter what she wore i wouldn't
>blame her for whatever her teacher said or did to make her
>uncomfortable. i would also want her to talk to me if she's
>developing a crush on a teacher that she thinks the teacher is
>responding to positively. i wouldn't know exactly how to
>finesse that part of the conversation - but i wouldn't assume
>that all attention from teachers is something bad to her or
>would make her uncomfortable. and i'd still want to know
>about that too - i'd especially want to know about that. but
>i would not ever tell her that something she wears could cause
>a teacher to be attracted to her b/c that might make her feel
>like if she's in a bad way w/a teacher who's perving on her
>that i might blame HER for it. and then she might hide it
>from me. so i wouldn't go there.


I mostly agree with all of this but I don't see any reason to tell not tell a daughter a teacher might be one of those people whose attention she gets. Or certain style of dress might give even a teacher the wrong impression about you. I think it could be more of a disservice to have girls feeling all trusting in their teachers. Fact is some of them can be creeps (though we can all agree none of them SHOULD be).

The other thing I believe is that women are stronger than you seem to imply and can handle that sort of frank talk without falling apart.

I am reminded of a story my wife tells about asking a college professor for a recommendation. He said let's discuss it over dinner. She walked into it not knowing dude was trying to turn this into an opportunity to hit on her.

When he did she was appalled. When discussing it with her sisters it came out that she had been corresponding with the teacher with her than vanity email address which was something like "sexy&sassyC" Her sisters laid into her for using that email address which they suggested gave him the wrong impression about her. Y'all can say the sisters were promoting rape culture and blaming the victim but I know we are talking about smart, strong women who all love each other and everyone was fine. They laugh about the story now and my wife doesn't use that email address anymore.

Now maybe I might have a daughter who couldn't handle a convo like that and approach it differently, but I am not use to this assumption that every woman is a delicate flower who cant handle complex nuance issues. Grown-ups can know that there is no context in which it makes sense to ask a rape victim what they were wearing, but at the same time tell their daughter or their home girl they might not want to wear only that bikini top to the Puerto Rican Day Parade.


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>>3. Do you believe dressing a certain way attracts certain
>>attention*? Even from teachers? (Not should it but does it
>>actually)
>
>duh. yeah. but i also know that certain attention comes no
>matter what a person wears.

True.


>>4. Would you restrict your daughter from wearing sexually
>>provocative clothes until she reached a certain age? If so,
>>why?
>
>it depends on the definition of 'sexually provocative
>clothes'. i dunno what that is. it'd be handled on a
>case-by-case basis. and totally dependent on context. and
>circumstance. and all that jazz.
>

You know what it is, it's subjective and I would think you as a parent set that standard.


>>5. If no would a mother be wrong for restricting what her
>>daughter from wearing sexually provocative clothing? Is that
>>participating in sexism, rape culture, etc.**?
>
>lol
>
>again - totally depends on context and circumstance and all
>that jazz.
>
>>7. Is a school dress code that takes into account male gaze
>>inherently sexist?
>
>https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/42300179.jpg
>
>anyway, the problem i'm having w/your broader discussion of
>dress codes is you focus solely on what girls wear that
>attracts male attention.


Male Gaze?

*googles the definition*


The male gaze is a concept coined by feminist film critic Laura Mulvey. It refers to the way visual arts are structured around a masculine viewer. It describes the tendency in visual culture to depict the world and women from a masculine point of view and in terms of men's attitudes.

Yeah it hasn't changed in the 20 years since I first read about, I am fine how I am using it.

>
>do you understand that school dress codes are intended to
>prevent kids from wearing clothing that disrupts the learning
>environment and that the restriction isn't primarily concerned
>w/preventing sexual attraction between students and teachers
>or even between students? that dress codes don't focus solely
>on what girls wear? b/c i can't tell that you know this.


A kid got put out of my school for dyeing his hair blue because teachers thought it was a distraction. Well that's how the newspapers reported it. The truth is he dyed his hair blue and wore a trench coat to look like the trench coat mafia.

Anyway all that to say I know how dress codes are enforced against guys as well.

The focus of this discussion has been dressed codes enforced on women to not distract men by being sexually alluring.

I mean I guess guys I wouldn't want my sons to be wearing pants that display their dick prints but I don't think that's the discussion at hand.






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265. "cool."
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fuck you.

  

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232. "RE: you say you get it but you clearly don't."
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>>1. Do folks really think in any way Badu is saying that if
>a
>>teacher makes advances on a student, it's not 100% the
>>teachers fault? Do folks really think she is in any way a
>>rapist apologist?
>
>i think that her statement let teachers off the hook where she
>left room to blame a student who wears a too-short skirt that
>pushed her teacher's button where he had no control over his
>urges b/c he's naturally attracted to her and can't help but
>act on that urge. it's problematic. it doesn't mean she's a
>bad person it just means she said something that was maybe not
>as well thought out as it could've been. maybe it needed to
>be fleshed out. but on its face it's a problematic statement.
>
>
>>2. If you have or had a daughter, would you warn her about
>the
>>negative attention her style of dress may bring? Even from
>>teachers?
>
>i would warn her about wearing certain clothing. i would warn
>her it might bring certain attention. i would not necessarily
>warn her about that attention from teachers. i would instead
>tell her that if any teacher ever acts toward her in a way
>that makes her uncomfortable that she should come to me
>immediately w/that concern. that she shouldn't wait. that
>even if she's not sure if the teacher meant to make her
>uncomfortable even if she thinks she's making it up she should
>tell me. we should talk about it. that i would not ever
>blame her for bringing on the teacher's attraction b/c it's
>not her fault b/c her adult professional teachers should be
>better than that. and so no matter what she wore i wouldn't
>blame her for whatever her teacher said or did to make her
>uncomfortable. i would also want her to talk to me if she's
>developing a crush on a teacher that she thinks the teacher is
>responding to positively. i wouldn't know exactly how to
>finesse that part of the conversation - but i wouldn't assume
>that all attention from teachers is something bad to her or
>would make her uncomfortable. and i'd still want to know
>about that too - i'd especially want to know about that. but
>i would not ever tell her that something she wears could cause
>a teacher to be attracted to her b/c that might make her feel
>like if she's in a bad way w/a teacher who's perving on her
>that i might blame HER for it. and then she might hide it
>from me. so i wouldn't go there.
>

I think all of this is great, but what if you just told her if unwanted attention comes form adults it isn't your fault. Because I'd want her to be aware. But I understand the dilemma.


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237. "lol you still in here talking about something that's not for you"
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Raising children & keeping them safe is not something you'll ever have to worry about

Let those of us doing that work do that work & mind your own business

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239. "I mean I don't have daughters but I got an opinion on the subject"
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No real need to go there.

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242. "RE: I mean I don't have daughters but I got an opinion on the subject"
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This isn't about his sexuality fam

If SW wants to adopt a kid or have a child by some other means I think that's dope, lots of kids need families

But clearly he doesn't or he wouldn't use the term "breeder" as a term of contempt

his sperm probably work and it's insulting to people who want to have kids but can't, I have a close family member who desperately wants & deserves kids & is unsure if it will ever happen

I just don't need a guy who holds parenting in such contempt that he thinks a woman orchestrating her daughters sex tape is OK telling us about how to keep our daughters safe

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245. "You really offended by the term "breeder"?"
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I wouldn't read all that solely based on the use of the term.
I mean he has expressed a disinterest in having kids but I'd chalk up the breeder comments as trolling ninjas who would manage to catch feelings from using the term.

Anyway, dude can fight his own battles but using this angle to discredit what he is saying isn't effective, just makes you look like a dick. Imjustsaying.


>This isn't about his sexuality fam

yeah I didn't think your comment was.

>
>If SW wants to adopt a kid or have a child by some other means
>I think that's dope, lots of kids need families
>
>But clearly he doesn't or he wouldn't use the term "breeder"
>as a term of contempt
>
>his sperm probably work and it's insulting to people who want
>to have kids but can't, I have a close family member who
>desperately wants & deserves kids & is unsure if it will ever
>happen
>
>I just don't need a guy who holds parenting in such contempt
>that he thinks a woman orchestrating her daughters sex tape is
>OK telling us about how to keep our daughters safe


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247. "yep"
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not an animal, nope

And I'm bringing it up here specifically because this is about parenting & based on that language he is not about that

and btw straight folks can choose not to breed & gay folks can choose to breed so his sexuality is irrelevant

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264. "then why do you keep bringing up his sexuality! LOL. "
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I never make mention of it. It's not relevant so I didn't mention it.

You keep comically keep bringing it up to say it isn't relevant.


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267. "b/c he THAT stupid."
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and mad.

oh well.

*shrugs*

fuck you.

  

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269. "how does it feel to know a dude that stocks shelves can argue...."
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better than you, a lawyer?

Does it hurt?

Or are you so far gone you actually think your failure to address salient points makes those points irrelevant

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268. "because one could easily imply homophobia in my statements"
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And I'm making it clear that's not my angle cause you gotta be careful with that shit these days

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261. "yup"
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240. "RE: badu be trippin sometimes"
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252. "So, children dressing more conservatively is a BAD thing?"
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I'm not saying that dress curbs anything from other parties that are simply perverse, but as a general idea, people are REALLY against such a thought? That thought being that KIDS should be dressed a particular way in SCHOOL?? really?? Let them "self express" their fashion stuff outside of that venue, like many do with their jobs...

Some of you just like to troll and argue about the most insane things....

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253. "basically"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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255. "RE: So, children dressing more conservatively is a BAD thing?"
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I think if the subject were about dress not attached to teacher distraction or sexual assault you may get more of a consensus on it...

But from jump this is associated with male teachers and distraction which is contentious to say the least..

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258. "but every damn body knows Teachers shouldnt be unprofessional"
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that's what trips me out. why the fuck does Badu have to say the obvious? No shit, teachers should be professional and non perved on the job.

why the fuck y'all keep saying the obvious over and over is Hillarysad.

y'all really need Badu to say some shit we already know? Teachers get handbooks and shit on this type of stuff.

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260. "today you gotta put up a million disclaimers before saying something"
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online, or people will nitpick the fuck out of it.

especially on OKP with the dog-piling and clique-ish behaviour

  

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262. "they keep repeating it like its some brand new idea"
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no shit, Teachers should be professional.

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