https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gqk4WPnrpM&nohtml5=False

over 20 years ago, he said

"I am not a role model. I am not paid to be a role model. I’m paid to wreak havoc on the basketball court. Parents should be role models. Just because I dunk a basketball, does not mean I should raise your kids.”

what are your thoughts on the commercial?

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To swim or to touch not
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At the same time, i hope he understood the effect his actions could have on young people.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

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Everything looks like Oprah kissing Harvey Weinstein these days

"I am not a role model." WRONG. Whether you chose it or not, some people just are who kids look up to.


"I am not paid to be a role model." WRONG. You are also paid for endorsements. You are specifically paid so that people see what you are doing, and want to do it as well.


"I’m paid to wreak havoc on the basketball court." RIGHT.

"Parents should be role models." TRUE.

"Just because I dunk a basketball, does not mean I should raise your kids.” TRUE.


His mistake is mixing up talking about how it SHOULD be, versus how it IS.





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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>"I am not a role model." WRONG. Whether you chose it or not,
>some people just are who kids look up to.
>

right and they shouldn't. Thats what hes saying. Not that kids don't consider him a role model. But that kids shouldn't

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

http://bit.ly/1SgJlzO

role model but yet he was using his celebrity to make commercials to peddle OVERPRICED nike basketball sneakers to young impressionable kids

grassrootsphilosopher

this is nonsense...

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

just any ole athlete endorse their products (even if he's amongst the best players in his respective sport) - its typically someone they can sell to the consumer/public as a (role) model citizen

That's precisely why ppl were so upset w/Tiger Woods when he was caught in his scandals



>this is nonsense...
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grassrootsphilosopher

whether they are viewed as a role model or not.

Rappers are getting endorsement deals...are they role models too now?

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

particularly as I said when the athlete is using his/her celebrity to sell products to mostly kids

>Rappers are getting endorsement deals...are they role models
>too now?

YES, OF COURSE Rappers are viewed as role models to both white and blk kids...probably moreso than athletes in this day and age

grassrootsphilosopher

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>YES, OF COURSE Rappers are viewed as role models to both white
>and blk kids...probably moreso than athletes in this day and
>age
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so then every single celebrity should get ripped when they do something foolish bc of how it will effect the children. But it doesn't happen bc the idea is ridiculous.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

how cliché it sounds...

kids who come from broken homes/communities where they never get to see actual people around them being constructive members of society shouldn't look to someone even if on tv to motivate/inspire them to change their life for the better?

Hell, I'd be willing to bet that growing up in Leeds, Ala. it was some athlete that Charles looked at as a role model

In an ideal world, yes, a child's role model should be their parents but that's not how it works


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>>YES, OF COURSE Rappers are viewed as role models to both
>white
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>so then every single celebrity should get ripped when they do
>something foolish bc of how it will effect the children. But
>it doesn't happen bc the idea is ridiculous.

grassrootsphilosopher

as the person to motivate/inspire them to change their life for the better just bc he's on tv wtf.

The earlier they learn that lesson the better.

which is why i had no problem with what charles said.



>how cliché it sounds...
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>kids who come from broken homes where they never get to see
>actual people around them being constructive members of
>society shouldn't look to someone even if on tv to
>motivate/inspire them to change their life for the better?

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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

products to mostly young kids

Its not JUST BEING ON TV that makes you a role model...if that were the case, these ppl on these real housewives reality shows are role models

And FTR the last time I checked Charlie Sheen is not in commercials endorsing products

>as the person to motivate/inspire them to change their life

grassrootsphilosopher

>And that means if you're in the public eye, you are a role model, period"

that's what i was replying to.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

personal accountability (for example: a news anchor can't be outchea in these streets wilin' out) but NO being a celebrity doesn't *necessarily* make one a role model

but

in Charles' case he can't excuse himself from being looked at by many kids as a role model just because he doesn't want to be viewed as such


>>And that means if you're in the public eye, you are a role
>model, period"
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>that's what i was replying to.

grassrootsphilosopher

and he got caught out there...

how many times have we been mad at a Black athlete for cheating on his wife in football or basketball?

same with Serena and Venus. If they played WNBA we wouldn't give a shit if they got caught out there...

but since they play/dominate a white sport we hold them to a higher standard.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

that Tiger went out of his way to MARKET himself as a family man/role model on his web site which he was using to sell his line of golf apparel





>and he got caught out there...
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>how many times have we been mad at a Black athlete for
>cheating on his wife in football or basketball?
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>same with Serena and Venus. If they played WNBA we wouldn't
>give a shit if they got caught out there...
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grassrootsphilosopher

if you are being hypocritical i get it.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

kids didnt give a shit about his marital status on a website

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

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just a good athlete

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

But that's not something you can really choose to be

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Mike was still a gambler, cheater, asshole, etc...

I think kids look up to athletes but only if they play well.

I guess the question is how does one become a role model if all the kids care about is how hard you ball on the court?

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

For whatever reason, if you play well kids will want to wear the shoes you wear, drink what you drink, stick out there tongue when they play, etc.

That's just how it is. Can't seperate the playing well from the other stuff.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

when Barkley made that commercial he was getting into trouble off the court as well.

That's part of the reason why the commercial was made.

They wanted to comment on all his actions and he was like "nah, I'm not that dude who will raise your kids"

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

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whenever you did these things to the least of my brothers you did them to me

That's the definition of role model.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

he wants to do wtf he wants to do but not have kids doing the same bc they emulate what he's doing off the court.

i cant be mad at that.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

you only become a role model if you go out and actively engage kids and mentor them


just cause you can dunk or hit homeruns doesn't make you a role model. It makes you a good athlete and thats why the commercial was made.

athletes do well on the field and all a sudden people claim you are a role model even tho you were fucking someone's wife last night, bet your paycheck on a horse last week and you also were doing coke and steroids before practice.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

outside of how he hooped

we also ain't look up to rappers/actors/etc as 'role models'

that was for those suburb kids

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

sneakers. OK.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

i couldn't tell you what those dudes looked like let alone anything else about them

I'm not even sure what point you were trying to make

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

wore them. Has nothing to do with who owns the company.

Same way you wanted Barkleys because he wore them. Or even if you didn't want them directly because Barkley wore them the cool kid who you were imitating wore them because Barkley wore them.


BTW, you know Barkley doesn't own Nike so comparing him to Tommy Hilfiger or Ralph Lauren is just a silly comparison.



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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

not sure what that has to do with the impact Charles barkley or Ralph lauren has on me or any other kid.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

them my role model too huh lmao


but #actually....the reason I wanted Barkleys....just like EVERY other nigga round the way aka non Cosby kids....is because somebody said: yo them new Barkleys is slick...


and they rocked em....and we all looked and agreed....and wanted....just like Diadora's....Fila's...Air's....Ewings.....Forums....etc

I can't name one nigga who was like....

'I want these shoes to be like Barkley' or Mike....or Magic....Isaiah....Bo or any other 'hero'

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>them my role model too huh lmao
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>but #actually....the reason I wanted Barkleys....just like
>EVERY other nigga round the way aka non Cosby kids....is
>because somebody said: yo them new Barkleys is slick...
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>and they rocked em....and we all looked and agreed....and
>wanted....just like
>Diadora's....Fila's...Air's....Ewings.....Forums....etc
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>I can't name one nigga who was like....
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>'I want these shoes to be like Barkley' or Mike....or
>Magic....Isaiah....Bo or any other 'hero'


Come on man. I got to do Marketing 101. Shit ain't got nothing to do with who owns the company. Or even trying to be like someone. Nike seeks out Cool people. Influencers. They piggyback on their coolness. It's brand association....Mayne why am I trying to explain this.??!? You think Nike is just throwing all this money at cool ballplayers and cool people for no apparent reason? Like it doesn't drive sales to have the best players in the league wearing your shoes?!?

Up in hear trying to argue endorsements are meaningless?!?!?









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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

on the court because of his shoe

YOU said I wanted some of his tennis I'm assuming because of 'him' ...

I aint want them shits because of him....his commercial
I wanted em because somebody rocked em...they looked slick...and erybody else wanted em

NOTHING to do with him cept ....ok...he got his name on it....
I couldn't tell u who Stan Smith is or what Jack Purcell done but I rocked them shits b4 too lol...

same thing with my Jason Kidd reference....or KG or Duncan neither of whom I 'looked up to' or as role models because them niggas is like a year or 2 older than me....I wanted the sneakers because *I* and erybody else thought they looked ok and wanted em

So again....Charles Barkley had NO influence in my life or niggas I know outside of me tryin to go big boy in the post and snatch rebounds and talk a lil shit

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look up to him lol

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but then i saw how much of a 'big deal' it was.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

were emulating his off the court behavior.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

As a youngster, I idolized Magic Johnson. I wanted to pattern my game after him in every way. I had the t-shirts, the starter jacket & caps. All that stuff.

But that didn't overlap any other parts of my life. I wasn't consumed by trying to be Magic Johnson in any other ways than on the court.

Same with rappers that I grew up loving. I never flirted with the Nation of Gods & Earths because my favorite MCs did.

Now, I'm sure there are kids that go way overboard with their adulation of entertainers or athletes. But I also think most kids know when to back off, especially with rappers & ballplayers.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

Believing that their experience is the same for everyone else.

It's completely narrow-minded to look at everything and solely relate it to how you experience it and then attach that as if everyone else is experiencing it the same way.

I recognize that some people may go deeper in their hero worship than others. Especially if they're serious about following in that same career or field of study or whatever. There's definitely a wide spectrum.

I just disagree with the idea that because someone is in the public eye, they're a role model in every facet of their life. And I tend to believe that most people (even kids) can recognize when & where to draw the lines.

To me, it's really not a matter of being a role model or not.

There is right and there is wrong.

By saying you don't want to be a role model you are insinuating that you want to do whatever the fuck you want.

And for young kids growing up in broken homes, the attitude of "I can do whatever the fuck I want" can be very unproductive.

So like others said, I technically agree that he isn't paid to be a role model, but what is the good reason for him (or any athlete) not to be?

You're getting paid millions of dollars to play a game and are given opportunities and experience some of these kids can only dream about. There is absolutely no good reason for someone in that position not to give back even if given back is as simple as being a positive role model.

I agree that parents are the most important part of a child's life but to say "I'm not here to raise your kids" is incredibly ignorant to the children who don't have strong mother and father figures and is ultimately faulting the kid for that.

People always try to make things black or white and a lot of time do not use common sense in the issue.

>There is absolutely no good reason for someone in that position not to give back even if given back is as simple as being a positive role model.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

"Even if that's all you do to give back"

But until someone can tell me a good reason for a public figure to not be a good role model, I'm just not seeing Barkley's side.

No one is asking public figures to raise kids or to take the place of a parent.

But you'd be ignoring reality if you didn't think as a public figure such as an athlete that you are impacting and influencing young children. There is no way around that.

Like you said, some of us can grow up listening to doggystyle and separate the rap persona from how we're supposed to act. But many kids can't and don't.

you said.

So if barkley wants to party, drink and be in the bar/club as often as he can and still perform on the basketball court he shouldn't bc some 15 year old might emulate that?

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

But you can do those things and still remain a role model.

Like I said, it's about being responsible.

Now if you mean that he wants to be able to go to bars and throw people through windows then I would say he has more to worry about than being a role model.

All I'm saying is that, "I don't want to be a role model" at some point equals "I don't want to be a responsible, mature human being."

That's kinda the whole point. You want to emulate somebody bc they play ball good but you really don't know alot about them. They could have huge problems that they are struggling with and failing with that you don't know anything about but these people are put on a pedestal in life? hell no.

So I agree, maybe he does have more things in life to worry about then being a good person or living responsibly for kids bc he's having a hard time doing that for himself or for people in his life.

SO, PSA, I;M NOT A ROLE MODEL KIDS, DONT FOLLOW ME!




>Now if you mean that he wants to be able to go to bars and
>throw people through windows then I would say he has more to
>worry about than being a role model.
>
>All I'm saying is that, "I don't want to be a role model" at
>some point equals "I don't want to be a responsible, mature
>human being."

Its saying he's not a responsible mature human being in every facet of life.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

>You're getting paid millions of dollars to play a game and are
>given opportunities and experience some of these kids can only
>dream about. There is absolutely no good reason for someone
>in that position not to give back even if given back is as
>simple as being a positive role model.

I believe that most celebrities & athletes would rather give back in some tangible form than have to worry about being under the "role model" microscope (particularly in this social media age).

I think I sort of agree with you on this but I stop short of thinking that everyone in that position should actively be a role model. I do agree that folks should give back but I don't think they can or should be required to do so.

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> As a youngster, I idolized Magic Johnson. I wanted to pattern
>my game after him in every way. I had the t-shirts, the
>starter jacket & caps. All that stuff.
>
> But that didn't overlap any other parts of my life. I wasn't
>consumed by trying to be Magic Johnson in any other ways than
>on the court.

Mine were Moses Malone and Barkley. I modeled my game after them (work ethic, rebounding, etc) but had no desire to throw people through windows or not go to college just because they did.

> Same with rappers that I grew up loving. I never flirted with
>the Nation of Gods & Earths because my favorite MCs did.

Thank you.

> Now, I'm sure there are kids that go way overboard with their
>adulation of entertainers or athletes. But I also think most
>kids know when to back off, especially with rappers &
>ballplayers.



^^^^^^THIS is where actual PARENTING should come into play, but as with so many aspects of this society, no one wants to take responsibility for what goes on, always casting blame at things that should have little to no effect on the situation at hand IMO.

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They will tell you that they need you but they've got an ulterior motive - Personal gain

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg0-qndkemo

Nike apparel to this day

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs4/3722730_o.gif

Wtf is dude talking about? Cause you didn't worship athletes you were ignant?

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

Smh...

You aren't too bright huh

where did the pain stem from?

Did him not being around force you to grow up quicker?

How did you feel when you saw the other little boys and girls playing wit their fathers?

I'm here for you, my brother. I wanna help you move past the pain and rebuild.

principal.

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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

what's your reaction to that? how would you feel about it?

not an athlete or entertainer, you...username whatever.

that kid's looking up to you.

how you feel about it?


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if its bc it appears i have a good job, take care of my family, active in the community etc. I'd be a little flattered.

If its bc he saw me doing my thing in the park or bc i have a nice car(i don't) or something along those lines i'd talk to the kid about the important things in life and real models.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.