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"Presidential Primary Post Part V: Street Fightin' Man"
Mon Mar-14-16 02:51 PM by murph71

          

Hey Mods...Can we dead that other Primary Post....It's over 300 plus now....
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So, we have Ohio, Missouri, Illinois, and North Carolina coming up this Tuesday...Bernie and Hilldawg are going to go at it....But it's a delegate game, not winner take all...I think Bernie will pull off a win in Illinois and Missouri....Clinton in Ohio and North Carolina...

Trump looks like he's going to dominate everything (especially Florida) except Ohio, which will deny him the count that he needs....The Republican primary will go all the way to the convention....CHAOS....SHIT SHOW.....

Speaking of Trump, he needs to tell his surrogates to chill on that anti-semitism...This is only going to add to his US AGAINST THEM tag...*this can't be life*

Trump's BLACK pastor Mark Burns on CNN just minutes ago: "Bernie got to get saved...He's gotta meet Jesus"....*blinks*

link: http://hinterlandgazette.com/2016/03/shameful-black-pastor-mark-burns-bernie-sanders-got-get-saved-hes-got-get-jesus.html

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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This post needs some theme music
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RE: This post needs some theme music
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That ain't it. THIS is the real theme song of this post!
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RE: That ain't it. THIS is the real theme song of this post!
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http://pthumb.lisimg.com/image/7342818/411full.jpg
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Trump is taking OH for the GOP
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RE: Trump is taking OH for the GOP
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I'm betting Bernie wins Missouri, Illinois, AND Ohio.
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Missouri I'm not sure, but the rest I agree with.
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RE: I'm betting Bernie wins Missouri, Illinois, AND Ohio.
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NAFTA led directly to 750,000 lost U.S. jobs...
Mar 15th 2016
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LOL, one of my students came to the door canvassing for Bernie
Mar 14th 2016
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Y'all fcukers have finally gotten me shook about Hill's prospects
Mar 14th 2016
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I'd give Hillary about 40% odds against Trump.
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RE: Y'all fcukers have finally gotten me shook about Hill's prospects
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yeah i have to agree with you here. I read it, but just to see what
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The problem is that Trump is an enigma no matter who he faces.
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RE: The problem is that Trump is an enigma no matter who he faces.
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      Admittedly, I'm softening on my prediction a bit.
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           RE: Admittedly, I'm softening on my prediction a bit.
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           How much stock will you put into Florida exit polls?
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           hispanics in florida aren't the best measure
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           But if the premise is that latinos won't vote for Trump because
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           About 11% of Latinos in Florida are registered Republicans
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                RE: About 11% of Latinos in Florida are registered Republicans
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                is it really this low?
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                     RE: is it really this low?
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                          13% of Americans are African-American
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                               RE: 13% of Americans are African-American
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                               Uh, that's not even closelty related to what I'm talking about
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                                    RE: Uh, that's not even closelty related to what I'm talking about
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                                    The best argument against a Trump presidency is the minority vote.
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                                         its strictly about the swing states
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           RE: Admittedly, I'm softening on my prediction a bit.
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           RE: Admittedly, I'm softening on my prediction a bit.
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           RE: Admittedly, I'm softening on my prediction a bit.
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           RE: Admittedly, I'm softening on my prediction a bit.
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           Hopefully. The media sets the bar so low for him though
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                Yes!
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                RE: Hopefully. The media sets the bar so low for him though
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                     No, i hear you. I'm just talking about expectations
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           As others have said, there is no pivot to be made
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NOPE!!! HILLDAWG LANDSLIDE
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Ohio voters: want to protest Trump? Hit him in the delegate count.
Mar 14th 2016
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Did anyone find out what the Bush meetings were about?
Mar 14th 2016
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      Well, Kasich didn't concede his Florida voters to Rubio.
Mar 14th 2016
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0.11% of Nevada Latinos & 11% of Florida Latinos are GOP
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RE: 0.11% of Nevada Latinos & 11% of Florida Latinos are GOP
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RE: 0.11% of Nevada Latinos & 11% of Florida Latinos are GOP
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WaPo runs 16 anti Bern articles in 16 hours
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RE: WaPo runs 16 anti Bern articles in 16 hours
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sure, HRC is the SOS for the BHO administration
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RE: sure, HRC is the SOS for the BHO administration
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      LOL@taking shots at the current D POTUS from a D nominee
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           RE: LOL@taking shots at the current D POTUS from a D nominee
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                but yall said Obama WASNT a real progressive
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                RE: but yall said Obama WASNT a real progressive
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                     OK, but I damn sure remember yall saying he wasn't
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                          RE: OK, but I damn sure remember yall saying he wasn't
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                               nah, when i said Obama ran as a progressive
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                                    RE: nah, when i said Obama ran as a progressive
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                                         nah nigga... i said what i said in that thread...
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                                              RE: nah nigga... i said what i said in that thread...
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                I'm not sure where you're going with this and I don't like the
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                     RE: I'm not sure where you're going with this and I don't like the
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                          talk to me
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                               RE: talk to me
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                                    actually, that's not what I said, link it if you can
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                                    no reply to misquoting me?
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Did Nixon's power make Kissinger blameless...
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      RE: Did Nixon's power make Kissinger blameless...
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counterpoint
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      counter to the counterpoint, because I found that spin amusing
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YOO!!!!! LMAO!!!
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RE: YOO!!!!! LMAO!!!
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RE: YOO!!!!! LMAO!!!
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Lmao!
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hahaha
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This shit is so funny!!!! I'm crying lol
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Clinton's egregious phony display re: AIDS/HIV & the Reagans
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Bernie and HRC's latest endorsements.
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Neil De Grasse Tyson says Jesus would vote for Sanders
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I thought they were trying to shutdown Elizabeth Holmes/Theranos
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      Yeah that's in the article. Failed, deceptive, poorly run "unicorn" nm
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           implication being that if HRC wins the presidency = Theranos thriving
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                RE: implication being that if HRC wins the presidency = Theranos thrivin...
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                     HAHA, I was just kidding anyway
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                          RE: HAHA, I was just kidding anyway
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Worst Presidential Election Ever
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How Trade Deals and Wall Street Hurt African Americans in the Rust Belt
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Palin says she aint got time for no "Punk ass little thuggery"*video*
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all the worst people support this guy
Mar 15th 2016
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This Obama Doctrine piece got me reconsidering Hillary Too.
Mar 15th 2016
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The wife and I are voting for Bernie
Mar 15th 2016
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My biggest fear with Bernie is that we will move us backwards.
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      we damn sure wouldnt move backwards with Bernie
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      RE: My biggest fear with Bernie is that we will move us backwards.
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Obama has been too transformational and got people shook
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Even the Economist is open to more socialist policy.
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As it should. This will likely make you re-consider even more:
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Great article (link)
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It's a tempting perspective to have.
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White people are mad as shit at Obama AND the GOP establishment
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It's a small part of his appeal for some of his supporters.
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It's the ONLY perspective to have
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RE: Great article (link)
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Interesting perspective here:
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Trump is talking about trade because its rust belt Tuesday
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He's been talking about trade since the beginning.
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      Yeah, this is true
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RE: Interesting perspective here:
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      Good luck with all that.
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           Thanks keep up the
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                Minority rhetoric?
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                     Yeah this
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                          Is that rhetoric?
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                               You kidding ?
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                                    I'm not accusing you of lumping Trump supporters together.
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                                         What are you doing when you say
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This talk about crossover voting in Ohio exit polls has me worried.
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RE: This talk about crossover voting in Ohio exit polls has me worried.
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GOODNIGHT RUBIO!
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Lil' Marco went night night LAST super tuesday
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      RE: Lil' Marco went night night LAST super tuesday
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           feel a little bad for the lil' homie...NAH, not really
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Primary Updates....
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I'm really pulling for Kasich in Ohio.
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RE: I'm really pulling for Kasich in Ohio.
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Yeah, pretty sure every liberal would LOVE a brokered GOP convention.
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that ohio "clusterfuck" indicates exactly whats gonna happen in GE
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Big win for Hillary in Florida.
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Looks like Hillawg may win Ohio
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Sounds like Rubio is about to suspend
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If you cant win your home state...
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Yeah, he's speaking past-tense.
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He seems relieved to me.
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i know a guy who was in a similar boat (not POTUS obv, but still a major...
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He's torture to listen to
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They sure love them some Clinton in the Confederacy
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just like they loved Obama in 2008?
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One thing is not like the other.
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      don't matter, it's a shitty critique
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      exactly the point:
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           nah. let's not go the "people are dumb" route
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                RE: nah. let's not go the "people are dumb" route
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                Nobody's calling them dumb. But the dynamics are diff. in the South
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                     RE: Nobody's calling them dumb. But the dynamics are diff. in the Sout...
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      RE: One thing is not like the other.
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      this is such a weird angle
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           The South is conservative, conventional, and traditional.
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RE: They sure love them some Clinton in the Confederacy
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Ohio was huge for Clinton tonight.
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Welp..
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*grins*
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Hillary on the way to a resounding Ohio victory
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unfortunately, even if we were, we won't like what comes next either
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Yeah, once shit is decided its pretty much a shitty deal for later state...
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      I dunno. From here on out the Hillary landslides come to an end.
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"Help us John Kasich: you're our only hope"
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RE: "Help us John Kasich: you're our only hope"
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Can't wait to see how the Trump supporters react
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      RE: Can't wait to see how the Trump supporters react
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           So Lovely (c) Phonte
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           I have a hard time envisioning Kasich being a part of that.
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                He's not a stand-up guy AT ALL.
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                Oh golly gee willikers guys *tugs on shirt collar*
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                like i said a few weeks ago, he's just an austerity huckabee
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                My first impression of him was from the Clinton impeachment,
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                Than call me duped.
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                     I'm too lazy/drunk right now.
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                     Oh, and of course,
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                     I hope the good Doc Claw won't mind me posting this
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                          Approved
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                RE: I have a hard time envisioning Kasich being a part of that.
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                Nah.. he told Sean Hannity he is about that life
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                He would have already dropped out of he wasn't down.
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http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/1058299/piano-lid-closes-at-harpo-s-o.gi...
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Im glad Rubio is done
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Probably, but it'll get really ugly.
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      It happened in Canada around 30 years ago.
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           unfortunately the u.s. system has built up pretty strong 2 party tendenc...
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                I'd bet it would be comparable.
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                     Bull Moose and Wallace barely split the parties for more than a cycle
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only warren as vp can reduce my sodium levels now *tears*
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people were talking about perez yesterday
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I was just gonna mention Tom Perez.
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      she don't want it lol - she lightweight endorsed perez already.
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Liz Warren VP is a waste of Liz Warren imo
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RE: Liz Warren VP is a waste of Liz Warren imo
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Fcuk just VP, Hillary should announce her entire cabinet
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here for the L
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yup. Bernie needed to keep Ohio respectable.
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      our only hope now is a progressive VP pick
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      Castro would be the perfect Clintonian cosmetic move.
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      I thought Michigan could be the start of something big but nah... fluke ...
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           yeah, I thought the Rahm silence would be deafening and = W in IL
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           As Clinton's Ohio surrogates predicted: "Ohio is more conservative"
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Wow. I'm actually kinda how shocked how well Ohio went for Hillary.
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sanders gotta drop out tonight.
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I'm not so sure he should drop out tonight.
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^^^
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She's not gonna be able to ignore trade deals with Trump.
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Trump has no credibility on trade deals
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      Trade deal talk is all bullshit....
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           He unveiled his response to that attack at the last debate.
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                I'm with you on this.
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                RE: He unveiled his response to that attack at the last debate.
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                     He's essentially playing a wrestling heel.
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                          RE: He's essentially playing a wrestling heel.
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her victory speeches are basically sanders scripts now.
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      #feelthebernforher
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what would he do with the money? TWENTY SEVEN DOLLARS!!!
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      He owes it to his supporters to see this through...
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      he owes it to his supporters to keep pushing hillary but also to pivot
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      pay off some his supporters tuition lol.
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Lol @ The GOP. This is brutal.
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Wow these networks just let Trump go and go and go.
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Trump coverage is insane...
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      And as soon as he was done,
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damn apparently none of the 3 networks carried sanders speech lol.
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Has there been a Sanders speech yet?
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      yeah apparently he spoke for about an hour.
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Cruz is shameless as fuck...lol
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RE: Cruz is shameless as fuck...lol
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If you think its over you forgot where he started
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WE'RE GONNA GO TO IDAHO! AND UTAH! AND ARIZONA!! AND ALASKA!!
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Those are the margins by which he would have NEEDED to win.
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this is only true if those margins are accurate
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GET JOHNNY SMITH ON THE PHONE.
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Punditocracy telling Hillary to smile more.
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Yeah, that's horseshit advice on their part
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Its more than her being a woman, it's her reputation and past history
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"Stop Telling Women to Smile" - Tlynnfaz
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def a gender bias and i dont like to throw shit like that around loosely...
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Carson admits to a quid pro quo for position in Trump admin (swipe/vid)
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LOL
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Shit. Looks like Clinton won ALL FIVE!
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Clinton will never get my vote
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^^Helping Trump Win.
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      a lot of bernie supporters saying they will outright vote trump now.
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           What? I don't like Hillary at all but none of that makes any sense, lol....
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           what didnt make sense to you? theres a case for each and every point.
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                free trade is the only *maybe* point there.
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                     theres a pretty clear line of distinction on each one.
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                          no. trump's been inconsistent on those issues
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           RE: a lot of bernie supporters saying they will outright vote trump now.
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                yup
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                     Agreed.
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The two most disliked front-runners in modern US history?
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Smh.. truly a lesser of 2 evils
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Dude we have been saying this for months. LOL.
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RE: The two most disliked front-runners in modern US history?
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      The point is that their mutual unpopularity is historic
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           High Unfavorabilities isn't really a dealbreaker for me.
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           Hill v. Trump will be a referendum on who voters trust less
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                RE: Hill v. Trump will be a referendum on who voters trust less
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                     this is most certainly not the way it has always been.
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                          RE: this is most certainly not the way it has always been.
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                               RE: this is most certainly not the way it has always been.
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           RE: The point is that their mutual unpopularity is historic
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Clinton wins in a clean sweep.....
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Isn't Clinton winning ALLLLL the conservative states though?
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RE: Isn't Clinton winning ALLLLL the conservative states though?
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      I was surprised when I went to a Church function back home in VA
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           RE: I was surprised when I went to a Church function back home in VA
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           I'm surprised you were surprised
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Missouri has been a "swing state" forever, Dem. governor and senator...
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      RE: Missouri has been a "swing state" forever, Dem. governor a...
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           I think the Dems that ARE in the rural areas are likely older folks and....
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So Trump got 27% of the latino vote in Florida.
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RE: So Trump got 27% of the latino vote in Florida.
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Well I find the numbers kinda promising.
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      RE: Well I find the numbers kinda promising.
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The Puerto Rican population is booming in Florida
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RE: So Trump got 27% of the GOP latino vote in Florida.
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for a minute I thought Bernie was going to pull out Missouri
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Bernie Could be the John the Baptist of Politics
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He put up a good fight
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Dems will still struggle in the Midterms because
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yeah the thing is a lot of folks are just NOW learning about Bernie and....
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You've just described Tulsi Gabbard. She's a star.
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      tulsi gabbard's blessing and curse is she's in hawaii
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      She's a star for sure.
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      I assumed her beef was with the DNC bias against Bern
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           it's all those things
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                RE: it's all those things
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      I was thinking someone from the South but okay.
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           you gonna be ok?
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LOL at Obama revealing SC nominee right after Trump ties up nomination.
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Jim Boehner backs Paul Ryan if the convention is brokered
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Trump loses delegates because their names are too foreign for his voters
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Rubio said him being president is not God's plan
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Yall see this doomsday scenario where Romney becomes Pres?
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Why would Mitt want to subject himself to another L?
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this strategy also relies on the house to pick mitt romney. fucking lol....
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Ya know, after all that's happened, it's not inconceivable.
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LOL, now Bernie's saying he could win by taking the superdelegates.
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RE: LOL, now Bernie's saying he could win by taking the superdelegates.
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lose with grace Bernie
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:(
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It's not as if SuperDelegates haven't jumped ship before
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      Wow.
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      Politifact largely disagrees with your claim, unsurprisingly
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           Did you even take the time to glance at the writeup?
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           yes - particularly where they say Bernie's claim is "mostly true"
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                RE: yes - particularly where they say Bernie's claim is "mostly true"
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                     I'm getting a special kick out of the "scientist" ignoring the data
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                          Numbers don't always constitute data.
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                               Oh look, stravinskian's condescendingly drenched in nihilism again
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                                    So once again, you refuse to admit what the numbers actually mean,
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                                         You refuse to acknowledge what the rest of political scientists accept
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                                              Find a SINGLE political scientist who claims those numbers mean
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           i agree with this
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      RE: It's not as if SuperDelegates haven't jumped ship before
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      That's fair.
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      lmao it's over fam. let it go.
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Primary Turnout Means Nothing For The General Election
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The Worst of All Worlds (swipe)
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murph71
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4. "RE: This post needs some theme music"
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>https://youtu.be/zob0j9xpX6w


lol....

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13. "That ain't it. THIS is the real theme song of this post!"
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20. "RE: That ain't it. THIS is the real theme song of this post!"
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LMAO!!!!!!!!!

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2. "Trump is taking OH for the GOP"
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even with Kasich on the ballot, even with the rather muted visible support for him... he's gonna Nixon his way to the top of that primary.

  

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3. "RE: Trump is taking OH for the GOP"
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>even with Kasich on the ballot, even with the rather muted
>visible support for him... he's gonna Nixon his way to the top
>of that primary.


I know that's your neck of the woods, so I respect your view....But I think that Rubio's 8 or 9 percent of voters will jump in with Kasich to give him a close win...Right now they have Kasich by an average of 5 points over Trump...

Of course, anything can happen...

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5. "I'm betting Bernie wins Missouri, Illinois, AND Ohio."
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That lazy free-trade meme will be a problem in the rust belt. And I'm taking the usual precaution on statistical outliers and assuming the Michigan result is an indication of a systematic error in the polling (and thus likely to be repeated) rather than just an extreme random fluctuation (though it could also be that, either in whole or in part).

Hillary will still win Florida and NC, and by big enough margins to still win the day on pledged delegates. But just as Trump is tying things up on the R side, things will start to get uglier and uglier for the Democrats.

  

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6. "Missouri I'm not sure, but the rest I agree with."
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>
>That lazy free-trade meme will be a problem in the rust belt.
>And I'm taking the usual precaution on statistical outliers
>and assuming the Michigan result is an indication of a
>systematic error in the polling (and thus likely to be
>repeated) rather than just an extreme random fluctuation
>(though it could also be that, either in whole or in part).
>
>Hillary will still win Florida and NC, and by big enough
>margins to still win the day on pledged delegates. But just as
>Trump is tying things up on the R side, things will start to
>get uglier and uglier for the Democrats.

Indeed. esp. if Bern takes any or all of those states. I read something on Slate that completely gets to the heart of how I feel about this contest. we're in a generational clash right now.

  

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8. "RE: I'm betting Bernie wins Missouri, Illinois, AND Ohio."
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>
>That lazy free-trade meme will be a problem in the rust belt.
>And I'm taking the usual precaution on statistical outliers
>and assuming the Michigan result is an indication of a
>systematic error in the polling (and thus likely to be
>repeated) rather than just an extreme random fluctuation
>(though it could also be that, either in whole or in part).

Michigan is a notoriously tough place to poll (according to reports)....I think Clinton will squeak it out in Ohio...The only concern one should have is 17 turning 18 year old voter...The courts just allowed them to vote in Ohio...Gonna be a nail biter....


>Hillary will still win Florida and NC, and by big enough
>margins to still win the day on pledged delegates. But just as
>Trump is tying things up on the R side, things will start to
>get uglier and uglier for the Democrats.


It's def. a delegates game...

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60. "NAFTA led directly to 750,000 lost U.S. jobs..."
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...and lacked any binding protections for unions, wage levels, or laid off workers whatsoever. After NAFTA, manufacturing wages declined in all three signatory countries (the U.S., Canada, and Mexico), while corporate profits went up.

There's nothing lazy about the free trade meme at all. These trade agreements have been devastating for many blue-collar workers. This has nothing to do with opposing "globalization," or even increased international trade. It means objecting to trade agreements designed to increase profits by lowering labor, environmental, and other standards.

For example, under Chapter 11 of NAFTA, Ethyl Corporation sued Canada for banning the toxic chemical MMT. Oil companies have recently been using Chapter 11 of NAFTA to attack Quebec's fracking ban. Corporations use these trade agreements to sue governments for passing laws that lower their profits. These lawsuits take place in special tribunals, which are completely non-transparent, and routinely rule against environmental and labor regulations. Serious climate change mitigation will require reigning in corporations, and NAFTA (and trade agreements based on the same model) make it harder to do that.

Under NAFTA, U.S. and Canadian corporations are allowed to release greenhouse gases and toxic petrochemicals in Mexico's maquiladora zones with absolute impunity. They are also able to lower wages in manufacturing and weaken what remains of auto, steel, rubber (etc.) unions.

And, yes, deindustrialization started in the 1950s, and there are many factors behind the decline of organized labor in the US. But these trade agreements accelerated large-scale disinvestment from communities that were already struggling. Claims of benefits outweighing costs don't take into account all of the negative externalities from lost jobs, declining or stagnant wages, and unchecked pollution in the maquila zones.

  

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7. "LOL, one of my students came to the door canvassing for Bernie"
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the other day.

I didn't answer. I assume a fistfight with a student wouldn't look good on tenure review.

  

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9. "Y'all fcukers have finally gotten me shook about Hill's prospects"
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Yall have been saying it, but I am questioning that yall might be right.


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11. "I'd give Hillary about 40% odds against Trump."
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But I'd give Bernie about 10% odds.

Everything Bernie does to expand his support, Trump does better.

  

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12. "RE: Y'all fcukers have finally gotten me shook about Hill's prospects"
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>Yall have been saying it, but I am questioning that yall
>might be right.
>
>
>http://www.salon.com/2016/03/14/hillary_will_never_survive_the_trump_onslaught_its_not_fair_but_it_makes_her_a_weak_nominee/


Salon is Bernie country...If u pulling for Hilldawg that's the place u don't want to go....They HATE ol' girl....lol...One day on that site would have u believing that Clinton has no hope in a one-on-one fight with Trump....Which is bullshit....

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47. "yeah i have to agree with you here. I read it, but just to see what "
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16. "The problem is that Trump is an enigma no matter who he faces."
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Whatever you call it.....strong-man, anti-intellectual, populist....how do you beat that in the current climate? I've thought about this ALOT and I'm at a complete loss. It's so sad to see unfold. But my suspicion is that likeability is an absolute necessity for any chance in beating him. Bill or Barack would have had a better chance than Hillary no doubt.

  

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17. "RE: The problem is that Trump is an enigma no matter who he faces."
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It's a numbers game, Denny....Cult of personalities only work if u can move the majority....FDR worked....JFK worked....Reagan worked....Obama worked...And they all succeeded by moving more than just their base...

Again, Trump has yet to get over 40 percent of the total Republican party....And in head to head match ups against Cruz it would be a tug of war....

Trump is def. getting some of those working class Reagan Democrats to add on to his largely white base....But he's not going to get much else....

This is what's going to happen...Bernie and Obama will be onstage with Hillary Clinton when she wins the delegate count....They will implore their folks to support her....And they will...Because 1) Republicans have shown they are a weak, chaotic party....and 2) Trump....

The new coalition is Black, Latinos, educated whites and young whites (they will fall in line once Bernie spells it out to them...), single women, and Asians....

Trump struggles with all of these demos...

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18. "Admittedly, I'm softening on my prediction a bit."
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But we haven't seen Trump's pivot yet.

  

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19. "RE: Admittedly, I'm softening on my prediction a bit."
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>But we haven't seen Trump's pivot yet.


Denny...Let me put this to u in caps.....HE CANNOT PIVOT....lol....There is no amount of pivoting that you can do when you've stated that you would pay the legal fees for someone sucker punching a black protester. and insulted an entire race of people (Latinos).....There's nothing to bring back when you have a surrogate come on national TV JUST TODAY saying that Bernie-A JEW-needs to accept Jesus....

Dude had Palin onstage stomping for him just a moment ago....THERE IS NO COMING BACK FROM ANY OF THIS....Ya dig?

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21. "How much stock will you put into Florida exit polls?"
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Let's establish that before it happens. If Trump does numbers with Hispanics and educated/young whites in Florida.....will that be meaningful to you?

  

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30. "hispanics in florida aren't the best measure"
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because there are so many cubans, and even though it's shifting, cubans still lean republican.

  

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33. "But if the premise is that latinos won't vote for Trump because "
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of his perceived racism....Shouldn't that over-ride the right-wing communist-backlash Cuban thing? I mean...they have two hispanic alternatives. If Trump was perceived as racist....why wouldn't they just vote Rubio or Cruz?

  

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32. "About 11% of Latinos in Florida are registered Republicans"
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Trump winning the majority of 11% is not particularly impressive.

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34. "RE: About 11% of Latinos in Florida are registered Republicans"
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>Trump winning the majority of 11% is not particularly
>impressive.

Yep ^^^^^^...

This is why Repugs thought they were going to win Florida the last time....It's a fool's gold number....Just like Trump "winning" the Latino vote in Nevada....

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39. "is it really this low?"
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is it really or 11% of latinos are registered republicans, or is it 11% of registered republicans are latino?

because the former seems crazy low for florida

  

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41. "RE: is it really this low?"
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I'm reading 11% of all Latinos in Florida are registered Republicans. Now, when you take it to registered Latino voters, about 26% are Republicans. But getting the majority of 26% isn't really impressive either.

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46. "13% of Americans are African-American"
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>I'm reading 11% of all Latinos in Florida are registered
>Republicans. Now, when you take it to registered Latino
>voters, about 26% are Republicans. But getting the majority of
>26% isn't really impressive either.

Is getting the majority of Af-Am voters all that impressive to you?

  

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50. "RE: 13% of Americans are African-American"
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>Is getting the majority of Af-Am voters all that impressive to
>you?

It's been impressive enough to give Hillary Clinton the lead over Bernie.....

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59. "Uh, that's not even closelty related to what I'm talking about"
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African-Americans make up 14.3% of the population of the US or 45,672,250 people. There are 479,000 registered Republican Latino voters in Florida. Trump might get what, 40% of them? Why is that impressive?

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74. "RE: Uh, that's not even closelty related to what I'm talking about"
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>African-Americans make up 14.3% of the population of the US
>or 45,672,250 people. There are 479,000 registered Republican
>Latino voters in Florida. Trump might get what, 40% of them?
>Why is that impressive?


It's indeed impressive...That is if u r looking for an angle for Trump to beat Hillary Clinton....

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77. "The best argument against a Trump presidency is the minority vote."
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Trump wouldn't need to win the minority vote (45% of the population)....but he'd need a substantial chunk of it.

The hope we ALL share is that minorities basically vote against him en masse. Which would obviously make his presidency an impossibility.

The fear that I have is that there is enough populist-leaning, anti-intellectual minorities who will vote for him despite his appeals to racist whites. If he wins the latino vote in Florida against two hispanic alternatives....those fears will grow. I think that's a pretty reasonable deduction if it turns out to be true.

  

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107. "its strictly about the swing states"
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It really doesnt matter how well Trump does in Florida tonight.

Its about 5 or 6 states and unfortunately the real is white working class voters.

We have to see how Hillary does in Ohio and Illinois and Mizzou. She has southern states on lock in the primary but none of them are in play in the general.

If she struggles in Ohio like she did in Michigan it would be a problem if Ohio and Michigan are needed in the general.

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22. "RE: Admittedly, I'm softening on my prediction a bit."
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Agreed. The moment Trump turns moderate in the general, he will piss off all the racists pieces of dung that supported him during the primaries. So yeah, Hill-dawg will definitely take the election.'

If he stays on his current path of pissing off everyone who isn't white, old or uneducated, then he will still lose in the general election because of the racist rhetoric. Even educated white people are pissed off at Trump over that shit.

Trump winning the nomination is a win for the democrats period.

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24. "RE: Admittedly, I'm softening on my prediction a bit."
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Trump is winning the educated white vote in the primaries so far.

  

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29. "RE: Admittedly, I'm softening on my prediction a bit."
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>Trump is winning the educated white vote in the primaries so
>far.

Yep...That same older educated white vote that voted for Mccain and Romney....That ain't going to work....

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27. "RE: Admittedly, I'm softening on my prediction a bit."
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>Agreed. The moment Trump turns moderate in the general, he
>will piss off all the racists pieces of dung that supported
>him during the primaries. So yeah, Hill-dawg will definitely
>take the election.'

This^^^^

And again...Hillary def. has her own issues....She's not a natural politician...She has that email shit hovering over her...She's not someone who endears INSPIRATION....

But Trump is the perfect fix for this^^^^^^ Dude is scaring a lot of people beyond his angry white base...

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26. "Hopefully. The media sets the bar so low for him though"
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this last debate was called "highly substantive" because no one talked about penis sizes

i'm guessing there will be alot of "I said some things in the heat of the campaign, but i just love this country and want to make it great, blah blah blah"

I think you are right, and i want to believe the damage is done and too toxic to come back from, but it will be covered in the media like he's somehow turning reasonable.

Remember when Palin debated Biden? People were saying she "won" solely based on that she managed to not say something monumentally idiotic for one hour.

  

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28. "Yes!"
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There will be a redemptive narrative in the pivot undoubtedly.

It'll be like the charming sibling that always misbehaves. When they finally do something right....they get disproportionately rewarded while the other siblings, doing right all along, get no credit because they're just meeting pre-established expectations.

These narcissist types know and manipulate these dynamics.

  

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31. "RE: Hopefully. The media sets the bar so low for him though"
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>Remember when Palin debated Biden? People were saying she
>"won" solely based on that she managed to not say something
>monumentally idiotic for one hour.

Yeah...But Palin wasn't going around telling followers to punch protesters and calling Mexicans rapists....Palin was doing that quaint, old school dog whistle racism (Obama is paling around with people that don't hold OUR values....He doesn't love America)...

Trump is doing White Nationalism-with-a-nod-to-the-KKK performance art.....

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36. "No, i hear you. I'm just talking about expectations"
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and where people set the bar.

in trump's case, the bar is 'he's a racist', in Palin's case the bar was that she's at worst, dumb, or at best grossly unqualified.

Palin only got about 2 weeks worth of good press out of it, but she could only fake not being a moron for so long, and the McCain camp couldn't wrangle her, and limit her exposure.

it's much easier for Trump to simply not say racist shit, our finally start denouncing that sort of thing once he has the primary locked up. Hopefully it's too late, but i won't underestimate the redmption spin that will be put on it.

  

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35. "As others have said, there is no pivot to be made"
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The double edge sword of him getting all this media attention is the repugnant shit that he says gets broadcast ad nauseam. That's all fine and dandy when you're playing to the base, but the General Election isn't going to be that.

It's not as simple as saying, "Oh, I said it in the heat of the moment." Part of what sunk Romney was surreptitiously recorded comments at a private fundraiser. HRC just needs to run ads featuring a loop of the vile shit has says at every rally.

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25. "NOPE!!! HILLDAWG LANDSLIDE"
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im still rolling with it..Trump isnt winning SHIT..This country isnt going backwards..i refuse to believe it bruh

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10. "Ohio voters: want to protest Trump? Hit him in the delegate count."
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(Reposting from the other thread, since it'll be dying soon...)

Ohio is close in both the R and D races. But that means two very different things.

* On the D side, the delegates are allotted proportionally, so that race is already decided -- Hillary and Bernie will split the delegates right down the middle.

* On the R side, Ohio is winner-take-all. The delegates will either all go to Trump, or all to Kasich.

Trump is almost certain to win Florida (the other WTA state), and if he also wins Ohio, then it becomes almost certain that he'll have a majority of Republican delegates by the convention.

If Trump doesn't win Ohio, then it remains very possible (as our old friend Mitt is arguing) to draw things out to the clusterfuck of a contested convention that we all want to see. There, either Trump will survive in a severely weakened state, or Ted Cruz (the most poisonous candidate on either side) will emerge but in an even more weakened state after completely infuriating the Trump wing.

The other thing about Ohio: it's an open primary. You can vote on whichever side you choose. If you're doing electronic voting, then I don't think you even need to look anyone in the eye and ask for a Republican ballot. You just push the button.

So, angry liberals: show your disdain for Donald Trump by voting Kasich in the primary tomorrow. You don't even need to hold your nose -- after all the delegates Cruz has collected, there's no chance that the nomination would be handed to Kasich (or if he were, there would be riots in the convention hall).

Unfortunately I won't be able to join you in this gloriously subversive act. My fifteen voter registrations and fourteen pairs of sunglasses and false moustaches are already promised to Hillary.

  

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14. "Did anyone find out what the Bush meetings were about?"
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My best guess is that he proposed that Cruz/Kasich concede their Florida voters to Rubio and Rubio/Cruz concede their Ohio voters to Kasich and go at it from there. I assume Kasich and Rubio were all in but Cruz held out.

  

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15. "Well, Kasich didn't concede his Florida voters to Rubio."
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When asked about it, he's hemmed-and-hawed about how it's weird to tell your supporters to vote against you (true), and that they probably wouldn't listen anyway (likely also true).

I don't know anything about this meeting, though.

And yeah, Cruz probably wouldn't go for those games. He seems set on expecting everyone else to drop out and endorse him, and he kinda has a point.

  

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37. "0.11% of Nevada Latinos & 11% of Florida Latinos are GOP"
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So Trump winning the Latino vote in either state doesn't mean much.


So, what percentage of an electorate needs to be Latino in order for it to mean much when Trump wins the majority of that demo?

I see this going the way of George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin

Many of y'all are so sure of yourselves (and an outcome) that you will be very wrong mid-November.

  

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42. "RE: 0.11% of Nevada Latinos & 11% of Florida Latinos are GOP"
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>Many of y'all are so sure of yourselves (and an outcome) that
>you will be very wrong mid-November.


Nah...we not sure of ourselves.....Not even sure of the outcome (Email gate could blow up in Hilldawg's face...Bernie could pull a miracle and win the primary and get turned into a Communist by the Republican hit machine after re-airing that Castro interview)...

Nah..I'm going to use common sense when it comes to Trump and this:

Politico
Three out of four Hispanics view Trump unfavorably

By ELIZA COLLINS 03/11/16

More than three out of four Hispanics view Donald Trump negatively, according to the latest Gallup survey.

The billionaire presidential candidate has a 77 percent unfavorable rating and a 12 percent favorable rating among Hispanics in both parties, according to Gallup Daily tracking data collected between early January and early March.

The share of Hispanics who view Trump unfavorably has increased from this summer, when he was viewed negatively by 66 percent and positively by 14 percent.

Trump has angered Hispanics with his comments tagging Mexican immigrants as rapists and criminals — and his numbers are unsurprisingly the worst of the presidential candidates on both sides, by far.

Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, who is of Cuban descent, has the second-highest unfavorable rating (30 percent), though his favorable rating is more than double Trump’s at 26 percent.

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Florida Sen. Marco Rubio — who is also of Cuban heritage — are tied with 26 percent unfavorable, though Clinton’s favorable rating is much higher at 59 percent. Rubio lags behind at 32 percent.

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders has 16 percent unfavorable, and 35 percent favorable. And Ohio Gov. John Kasich has 14 percent unfavorability and 15 percent favorability.
The telephone poll was conducted Jan. 2- March 8, with random samples of between 1,173 and 1,236 Hispanic adults. The margin of error is plus or minus 4 percentage points.

Link: http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/donald-trump-hispanics-favorability-220644

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89. "RE: 0.11% of Nevada Latinos & 11% of Florida Latinos are GOP"
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>So Trump winning the Latino vote in either state doesn't mean
>much.
>
>
>So, what percentage of an electorate needs to be Latino in
>order for it to mean much when Trump wins the majority of that
>demo?
>
Trump doesn't need to win the majority of Latino vote to win the White House. George Bush got 44 percent in 2004 when he beat Kerry. Problem with Trump is with all his racist rhetoric and Building a Mexican Wall talk, he wont be able to get more than 25 to 27 percent of the Latino vote. Without getting at 35 to 40 percent he has no shot. He painted himself into that corner, no one else has. There is a reason why Romney and other High Ranking Repubs are scared to death of Trump getting the nomination. Its not about just him losing. They dont want to lose Congressional seats come this November as the top of the ticket and they've crunch the numbers and see it coming.
>I see this going the way of George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin
>
>Many of y'all are so sure of yourselves (and an outcome) that
>you will be very wrong mid-November.
>
>
Its confidence based on merit and past precedence. Alot of high ranking Republican feel the exact same way, or they would have already lined up behind Trump already. They are reading the same numbers we are and looking at past precedence the same way we are. Trump cant win the General because Trump has painted himself into a corner with his racist rhetoric. He will get 100 percent of the racist vote. That wont be enough. Without building a coalition of all ethnicities, he wont make it.

Add in that current party administration has a good economy, kept unemployment down, gas down, and no war, there wont be ENOUGH of a defection to Republicans to turn the election their way. The Dems have all positive indicators in their favor and can run on those indicators to win.

Im enjoying this political dialogue and debate. Its just people who think Trump can win has not made the case other what he's doing in the subset of the Repub Primary. Id like to see Trump supporters or just people who think he CAN win extrapolate his Republican Primary numbers nationally. And the people who think Dems will stay home in November are delusional considering how polarizing a figure Trump is and has become. There are already reports of a furious registration drive going on to stop Trump from winning:http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/03/trump-is-making-hispanics-register-to-vote-again.html

He WILL inspire Dems to go to the polls more than any other candidate, including possibly Hilldawg or Bernie. Any enthusiasm gap the Dems might be suffering from, if at all, will be sured up by a Trump candidacy. No one is sitting this one out with him as a potential Commander in Chief.

  

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38. "WaPo runs 16 anti Bern articles in 16 hours "
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https://www.democracynow.org/images/headlines/69/30269/quarter_hd/hdls5-MediaExposure2.jpg



So yeah, back to what we were saying about Honduras

The fact that the US won't officially call it a coup implicates HRC's involvement

because doing so would necessitate sanctions which conflicts with her business interests as a board member of MCC

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40. "RE: WaPo runs 16 anti Bern articles in 16 hours "
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>https://www.democracynow.org/images/headlines/69/30269/quarter_hd/hdls5-MediaExposure2.jpg
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>
>
>So yeah, back to what we were saying about Honduras
>
>The fact that the US won't officially call it a coup
>implicates HRC's involvement


It implicates Obama, too? right? Since he pushed the button....

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48. "sure, HRC is the SOS for the BHO administration"
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Bern has already stated BHO is not beyond reproach

as well as calling out the administration's continued failed foreign policy of regime change and nation building

"Henry Kissinger is not my friend"

I just want to start taking bout it

Doesn't really matter to me where we start

It's always been my biggest concern for HRC in a GE

It's a glaring omission from the primaries

While Univision digs up 30 YO grainy video of Bern at a kitchen table to reference remarks about Castro

Why not talk about the Berta assassination last week?

If illegal immigration is suppose to be a key issue this cycle

Let's talk about what's causing these refugee crisis in Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador

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49. "RE: sure, HRC is the SOS for the BHO administration"
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>Bern has already stated BHO is not beyond reproach

Good to know....I just want Bernie and his supporters to call out Obama with the same two-fisted side-eye fuck-yo-couch uproar that some like yourself have with Clinton....

I realize that some Bernie heads have some legit beefs with Obama/Clinton....I also realize that some of Bernie's supporters are pretty out there; I'm talking about the ones who equate Clinton with Trump....I don't always agree with Bill Maher or some of Bernie's other surrogates...But I do agree with dude and others getting at some Bernie folks for this all-or-nothing game that they are playing....

I have to keep telling myself that some of Bernie voters are not Democrats. So to them staying home or wasting a vote on a Green Party candidate is no biggie...But I do have faith in enough Bernie heads that they will get that the Supreme Court pick will shape this country for the next two decades....

Whether it's Bernie or Hillary they are getting my vote...

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53. "LOL@taking shots at the current D POTUS from a D nominee"
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^^^ this is your advice, politics 101 guy?

c'mon

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66. "RE: LOL@taking shots at the current D POTUS from a D nominee"
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>^^^ this is your advice, politics 101 guy?
>
>c'mon

Nope...I just love the irony...Bernie called Obama weak and feckless only a year or so ago. And some of his most fervent supporters believe that Obama was never a real Progressive. But of course, Bernie has cleaned all that up because he needs that Obama coalition....It's all politics...I SEE IT....lol

As for as me giving you advice?...Nah..Just common sense...I don't want a Conservative to sniff that Supreme Court....And I don't want to see a disaster like Trump in office. If Clinton was good enough to be in Obama's cabinet then she will be good enough to push his agenda....

Either way, I'm rolling with Bernie or Hilldawg....Like I've said before....I'm not a fan of taking the ball home just because my guy/girl doesn't win....In your own words...."c'mon"


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67. "but yall said Obama WASNT a real progressive"
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70. "RE: but yall said Obama WASNT a real progressive"
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No....We said Obeezy was a moderate progressive (he ran his first campaign as a center left progressive)....But for many Bernie heads a "moderate" progressive is viewed as a fake progressive....Some Bernie folks tell me all the time that they have been disappointed by Obama.....

Sort of how like hardcore conservatives and Tea Partiers view moderate Republicans as being RINOS.....It's an all-or-nothing purity test with both camps...


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71. "OK, but I damn sure remember yall saying he wasn't"
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even a moderate Progressive. LOL

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72. "RE: OK, but I damn sure remember yall saying he wasn't"
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>even a moderate Progressive. LOL


Nope......Remember.....my point has always been about the rising purity test the base of the LEFT has at times engaged in....That they have adopted the short-sighted sensibilities of the Tea Party.....That's why I said Obama would not be viewed as a progressive with TODAY'S hardcore left base....

In their world, Obama is no different than a Republican.....Hillary Clinton is basically Nixon....Now we all know that Obama was never a FAR LEFT Democrat. But he was def. a traditional progressive.....Hopefully, we don't fall into that all or nothing trap....

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75. "nah, when i said Obama ran as a progressive"
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y'all said he didn't. That his fans made that up and he was actually slightly left of center.

Shit, I just you guys to make up your mind. lol...

I even made a,post about it and everyone ran in and convinced me Obama never was the progressive I thought he was...

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=12963718&mesg_id=12963718&listing_type=search#12963732

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78. "RE: nah, when i said Obama ran as a progressive"
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No...I remember the convo, dog...

U said (paraphrasing) that Bernie running for President should not freak people out because Obama was Bernie before Bernie...U said Obama was no different than Bernie....

We said Obama was a moderate progressive who was pushed even further to the left after his second re-election....Which is different than what Bernie has been over the years.....We said that Obeezy was part of the ESTABLISHMENT....We said that's why he was picked to give the BIG speech at the 2004 Democratic convention....

Bernie would never call himself a moderate progressive....

This was the key line from the link u gave: "Being a Liberal progressive is one thing....Bernie has made a career out of battling Democrats because he thinks they haven't gone FAR enough....Obama painted himself as being the new star of the Democratic establishment....Bernie ain't doing that...At all...lol"

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84. "nah nigga... i said what i said in that thread... "
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I said Obama ran as a progressive and y'all ixnayed that shit with the quickness.

you guys said he was a main stream democrat.

I didn't make the OP in that thread. I'm talking about what EYE said and what was said in return by you and others.




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96. "RE: nah nigga... i said what i said in that thread... "
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>I said Obama ran as a progressive and y'all ixnayed that shit
>with the quickness.

>you guys said he was a main stream democrat.

Yep...We said that Obama was a mainstream Democrat...But MY point was in comparison to Bernie.....Remember, in that very same thread I said that Obama was a moderate progressive who got pushed even further left in his second term....

Bernie isn't just a progressive.......He's a socialist progressive. Many of his views were (and still are) thought to be too far left even for the very same party he caucused with (Dems)....

In other words, to a lot of Bernie's supporters, a moderate progressive (Obama) ain't nothing more than being a mainstream Democrat....I've heard this kind of talk first hand...


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80. "I'm not sure where you're going with this and I don't like the"
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generalizations that you make on Bern supporters TBH

do you want to debate BHO?

I don't think any rational human being wouldn't be able to make valid critiques of his administration

Drones would be the top of the list for me

he also made some day 1, first 100 day promises, that he didn't keep

feels like you're deflecting

i.e. if we criticize HRC we're subsequently criticizing BHO

which feels alot like the juvenile defense she's used for superpac funding....but, but...he did it too

your feckless and weak comment, are you referencing the HRC line from early on in the campaign?

I thought we discussed this

do you mean these quotes:

Specifically, Sanders said, "I think there are millions of Americans who are deeply disappointed in the president, who believe that with regard to Social Security and a number of other issues, he said one thing as a candidate and is doing something very much else as a president, who cannot believe how weak he has been — for whatever reason — in negotiating with Republicans. And there’s deep disappointment."

Obama should "stop reaching negotiated agreements with Republicans that are extremely weak and disadvantageous to ordinary people. ... I certainly hope and expect to be supporting the president, but it’s a little bit early in the process."

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85. "RE: I'm not sure where you're going with this and I don't like the"
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Where I'm going is simple....Hillary Clinton was in Obama's cabinet....Clinton has basically made it known that she will be a successor to her old bosses' policies while making some of the tweaks that the base of the party want made....

So many times I've read about what Hillary Clinton did while she was in Obama's cabinet I have to remind Bernie supporters that while she is not above criticism for Libya and such missteps, the buck stops with the man that Bernie had eyes on distancing himself from (Obama) BEFORE HE REALIZED THAT HE NEEDED HIS COALITION....

Now if you question Hillary because you think she will go all War Hawk, I can respect...

If you have beef with her Wall Street ties, that too is a worthy debate...

What I won't entertain is some Bernie heads in the far left base saying shit like "I'm voting for Trump if Hillary gets the nomination...." Or she's no different from Trump...or she will be even worse than Trump....Or "She won't be representing me because the Democratic party has cheated," when even if she loses three of the next states this Tuesday, she would still win the delegate count EVEN WITHOUT THE SUPER DELEGATES INCLUDED....

Nobody is here to change anyone's mind on Hilldawg....I just find it ironic that we are having some of the same debates people had with Hillary vs. Obama....Instead, back then, Hillary's backers were questioning Obama's delegate count....

Do you, homie...I'm voting for the Democrat if it's Bernie or Hilldawg....

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87. "talk to me "
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see reply above IRT broad generalizations

is that how you peg me, far left supporting Trump if HRC wins?

i.e. what does that have to do with me

I'm not suggesting you're voting for HRC just because she's a woman

^real life conversation

You hide behind these plea cops based on somebody somewhere out there

Deal with them, I'm not that, and your continued deflection only makes it harder to directly address any issue.

You don't want to debate BHO because of diviseness, then stop using it as a HRC cape

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88. "RE: talk to me "
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>see reply above IRT broad generalizations
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>is that how you peg me, far left supporting Trump if HRC
>wins?


No...I peg u as the same person that said Hillary *could* be worst than Trump if elected...

But it wasn't shocking. I've seen the same line of thinking from some Bernie heads.....It's quite frustrating...

Again, vote for who you want to. There are no losers...Bernie would be good....And I think Hillary would be good....I'm backing either one if they are our nominee....

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91. "actually, that's not what I said, link it if you can"
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I said I don't see her presidency going well either


http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=12987103&mesg_id=12987103&page=#12987142

You didn't ask why or discuss the issue even though I cited the 3 current HRC investigations

and made that worse assumption all on your own.

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109. "no reply to misquoting me?"
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how convenient (c)

there is a correlation to the BHO administration in what I actually said

but you don't want to talk about that...?

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51. "Did Nixon's power make Kissinger blameless..."
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...for his role in the overthrow of Allende in Chile and Prince Sihanouk in Cambodia?

In many cases, Kissinger played a much more direct role in shaping U.S. foreign policy than Nixon did. As Secretary of State, he had Kissinger's ear, and often pushed his own agenda. The same is true of Clinton's role in the Obama administration. She was the loudest advocate of overthrowing Gaddafi, and played a much more direct role in U.S. relations with the Honduran coup government than Obama did.

I understand that your point is really about campaign tactics. It makes a lot of sense for Sanders supporters to focus on his differences with Clinton right now, though. I might end up casting a lesser-evil vote for Clinton, but I'm damn sure not going to stop arguing for a better nominee during the primaries. I'm also not going to start pretending she is more progressive than she is if she gets the nomination.

  

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69. "RE: Did Nixon's power make Kissinger blameless..."
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I never said Hillary Clinton was blameless....I just want Bernie heads to not tip toe around the elephant in the room.....

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68. "counterpoint"
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/03/08/has-the-washington-post-been-too-hard-on-bernie-sanders-this-week/

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79. "counter to the counterpoint, because I found that spin amusing"
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ironic that they defend this by trying to redefine 'negative'

when that is part of Bern's plan for ending mass incarceration

by not criminalizing drug use (non-violent offesnses) and treating it as a public health issue

he's called for an end to the war on drugs

which is even more ironic, that the WaPo would suggest he's just going to release criminals

I'm not really sure what the exact number is, and this all took about 5 minutes to look up

but according to something like this source: http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/p10.pdf

there were 250K inmates charged with non-violent drug offenses in 2010

if he just opened up the jail cells on day 1, and then continued that for 4 years, yeah, I'd expect that to get somewhere in the 500K range

in addition to Bern's calls for an end to racial profiling, policing for profits, quotas, etc...

those pesky facts

^^^furthering the negative perception they are associating with Bern

the socialist is going to release alot of criminals

and you can read through those headlines

16 articles in 16 hours, LOL@the opinion pieces plea cop, has an impact.

they even make a racial implication in their defense

the 3rd point is...?he deserves it because he's popular?

i.e. I was expecting them to offer examples where they were equally as critical of the other candidate

that shit was laughable.


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43. "YOO!!!!! LMAO!!!"
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44. "RE: YOO!!!!! LMAO!!!"
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>http://giphy.com/gifs/3o7abkti7UphSopcl2


hahahahahahahahahahah!!!!!

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62. "RE: YOO!!!!! LMAO!!!"
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64. "Lmao!"
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90. "hahaha"
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hilarious

  

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98. "This shit is so funny!!!! I'm crying lol"
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Where did the Bernie clip come from? Who did he buck on?

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45. "Clinton's egregious phony display re: AIDS/HIV & the Reagans"
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Matched with her blatant lie about Bernie "being nowhere to be found" when it came to "HillaryCare" in '93/'94 (despite the fact that Bernie stood with her as strong as anyone) - are just two rich insights into her hollow integrity. Interestingly - that "nowhere to be found" phrase is what John Lewis used to shamefully denigrate Bernie's civil-rights activism.

In short: Bernie's base is the formula to counter Trump in *this* election cycle. If Clinton were running against Romney or Rubio - sure - I would concede she would be the better general election candidate. This ain't that kinda party.

Trump's Confederate-style demagoguery *should* be met with protest to neutralize the violence at his rallies - and it's no surprise that Bernie's supporters are the ones potent and energized enough to neutralize that violative behavior. The only time I've seen a Clinton supporter as energized as those protestors in Chicago is when it's a public official frothing at the mouth to get on that DNC gravy-train and vie for a prestigious appointment in a Clinton administration.

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52. "Bernie and HRC's latest endorsements. "
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http://www.ibtimes.com/bernie-sanders-endorsement-amalgamated-transit-union-backing-vermont-senator-2336222

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/03/clinton-lets-theranos-throw-her-a-fund-raiser.html

Remember when they were supposed to be so similar we had to point out differences?

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54. "Neil De Grasse Tyson says Jesus would vote for Sanders"
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lol...

Tyson tweeted: "Who would Jesus vote for? To him walls, wealth, & torture are non-starters, so probably the Jewish New Yorker from Vermont."

Quoted in this article:

http://www.salon.com/2016/03/13/my_feminist_sanders_fixation_im_a_woman_of_color_my_candidate_is_a_white_man/

  

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55. "I thought they were trying to shutdown Elizabeth Holmes/Theranos"
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last I read, there was a controversy about her not actually validating the blood tests

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56. "Yeah that's in the article. Failed, deceptive, poorly run "unicorn" nm "
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57. "implication being that if HRC wins the presidency = Theranos thriving"
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HA, shouda read it first

did a Bernie Bro write this article (c) Murph

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65. "RE: implication being that if HRC wins the presidency = Theranos thrivin..."
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>HA, shouda read it first
>
>did a Bernie Bro write this article (c) Murph



Nah...I don't get down like that.....lol

Bernie or Hilldawg will get my vote....I got my eyes on the prize: Keeping Trump out of office and making sure a Dem gets that Supreme Court pick...

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81. "HAHA, I was just kidding anyway"
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good to see you're not taking all of this seriously

I will keep a placeholder here for when the campaign shifts to CA

if she runs ol girl out on the stage on some shining example of female empowerment, etc...

we can talk about it then

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95. "RE: HAHA, I was just kidding anyway"
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It's all good....lol

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58. "Worst Presidential Election Ever"
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I just know I'm not voting for Clinton, Cruz or Trump come November.

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61. "How Trade Deals and Wall Street Hurt African Americans in the Rust Belt"
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Great piece from Carolyn Hyppolite, and very relevant to the primaries in Ohio, Illinois, and Missouri.

http://progressivearmy.com/2016/03/14/1911/

For African-Americans in the Rust Belt, Racism Should Be Measured in Dollars

By Carolyn Hyppolite - March 14, 2016

“What’s the fundamental challenge of our day? It is to end economic violence. Plant closings without notice — economic violence. Even the greedy do not profit long from greed — economic violence,” Jesse Jackson said at the 1988 National Democratic convention.

In 1988, the primacy of economic violence was a proud position for a black activist. Today, it is dismissed, even treated as a betrayal of blackness.

This is unfortunate since economic violence on black Americans is both persistent and severe.

After Senator Sanders' poorly worded “ghetto comment,” black pundits flooded the media vaunting their middle and even upper-class status.

Most African-Americans are not poor, said Joy Ann Reid, the poverty rate is 28%. Yet, this number masks widespread and serious deprivation and as the democratic primary moves into the Rust Belt, where blacks have been profoundly impacted by deindustrialization, it is critical that we acknowledge just how poor many black people actually are.

Early this month, the impressive drop in national unemployment to 4.9% was touted in the press and on social media as evidence of Obama’s success. Impressive indeed given what the president inherited; however, labor force participation is down; wages continue to stagnate; and for black Americans, the unemployment rate is what it was for all Americans in 2009—8.8%. White American’s recession is black America’s good times.

For the three Rust Belt states voting on March 15, the economic recovery has been less than robust and for black Americans, it’s a depression.

Desindustrialization

The unemployment rate in Ohio, measured at 5.7% at the end of 2015, lags behind the national rate. Likewise, the unemployment rate for blacks in Ohio lags behind the national black unemployment rate by almost 3 points at 11.6%.

Missouri’s economic data mirrors that of Ohio with a 5.7% unemployment rate and an 11.8% black unemployment rate.

Illinois trails both states with a 6.1% unemployment rate at the end of 2015, but for Blacks in Illinois, that rate was 14.4%.

Keep in mind that unemployment is measured by those actively looking for work, not those who are discouraged or uninterested. These numbers are a great indication of how little black lives matter in America. Well before the nation hit double digit unemployment, economists declared that the United States was in a recession. Now, that blacks seeking employment are more likely to be unemployed than whites were in 2009, commentators, including black ones, all agree, we are living in boom times.

Yet, in some cities, to call it a black economic depression is not hyperbolic. The black unemployment rate in St. Louis is 17.8%. In 2014, 25% of African-American residents in Chicago were jobless. Among blacks between the ages of 20 to 24 years old, the jobless rate is at a shocking 59.2%.

As one drives throughout Eastern Ohio, the sight of abandoned mills and plants of a once thriving industrial center overwhelms the senses. The consequences of deindustrialization is not only evident in the sight of abandoned buildings but in the façade of struggling people facing a 15.8% poverty rate. In 2014, the state of Ohio recorded black poverty at 34.7%. These disturbingly high unemployment numbers are correlated with rates of poverty in these three states, particularly child poverty.

Destitution among the very young is particularly troubling. Ohio’s child poverty rate ranks 36th in the nation with 11.1% of children categorized as extremely poor (extreme poverty is defined as an annual household income of less than $12,209 for a family of four). Usually, poverty is defined as $24,418.00 for a family of four and 22.9% of children in Ohio live in families poor enough to meet that standard.

Child poverty in Ohio is almost synonymous with racial minority. While an unacceptably high 16.5% of white children in Ohio live in poverty, it pales (no pun intended) in comparison to the rates for children of color, 48.4% of black children live in poverty; 35.4% of Hispanic children live in poverty; and 52.3% of children from the most forgotten group in America – Indigenous Americans—live in poverty.

Similar numbers are found in other Rust Belt states. 30.6% of blacks living in Illinois are poor; 33.6% of black Chicagoans are poor; 43.2% of black children in Illinois are poor. The number of blacks in Illinois without health insurance in Illinois is twice that of their white counterparts (14% vs 7%).

In Missouri, 31.6% of blacks are poor; 43% of black children in Missouri live in families that are poor.

One may rightly respond that these numbers simply offer evidence of the persistence of racism and that economic interventions alone would not decrease black unemployment and poverty. There is some validity to this argument. Poverty is not racism but one of the consequences of racism is poverty. Racism hinders black upward mobility.

However, none of this negates the fact that black deprivation relative to whites’ is sensitive to certain policies.

Unemployment for blacks was the highest in the last 40 years in 1983 at a rate of 19.5 % soon after President Reagan began to implement his economic agenda.

Black unemployment was at its lowest in 2000 at 7.6% at the end of the Clinton era; thus, it is not without reason that African-Americans of a certain age have fond memories of the Clinton era. Black unemployment from 1992 to 2000 was nearly halved.

Yet, today we now understand that a great number of the poor were being made invisible through mass incarceration. When President Clinton began his tenure in 1992, there were 847,000 people in prison. By the end of his eight years, that number had grown to 1,334,000.

While Clinton deserves some credit—despite Republican creed, taxes improve the economy—he was in many respects the beneficiary of forces that had little to do with him, especially developments in the technology sector, which spurred tremendous growth. Neither Al Gore nor Bill Clinton invented the internet but it made them look good.

On the other hand, the negative impact of President Clinton’s policies, the 1999 repeal of Glass–Steagall’s and the implementation of NAFTA in 1994 would not be felt for years after his presidency.

For the Rust Belt states of Missouri, Illinois, and Ohio, NAFTA is especially relevant. According to the Economic policy institute, the United States led to 700,000 jobs being shipped to Mexico alone. “The vast majority of workers who lost jobs from NAFTA suffered a permanent loss of income,” Jeff Faux, the institute’s founder said.

Ohio suffered the greatest lost with 307,560 between 1994 and 2015 that are attributable to NAFTA. The Economic Policy Institute also found that 106,400 jobs had been lost or displaced in Ohio as a result of trade deficits with China since its entrance into the World Trade Organization in 2001.

NAFTA is estimated to have cost Illinois 290,822 manufacturing jobs between 1994 and 2015, and job loss to China is estimated at 132,500.

Missouri’s loss is estimated at 105,798 manufacturing jobs, and although this is a smaller number of jobs, it was a whopping 29.1% of the industry. The 44,200 jobs lost in Missouri can be attributed to the United States opening its door to cheap goods from China.

It took a few years for plants to shut down and for managers to offer lower pay to new workers in the industry. It is understandable that Clinton’s predecessor was blamed. Bush was in power; Clinton had left him a booming economy.

George W. Bush reinstituted the voodoo economic policy of cutting taxes for the wealthy to stimulate growth on the bottom. The obvious reality that enriching those on the bottom increases consumer demand and thus stimulates growth conveniently escapes the thoughts of many decision makers. Thus, President Bush was rightly blamed. Yet, he was not solely responsible.

The economic policies that ultimately brought about massive job loss in the Rust Belt, as well as the housing bubble that led to 2009 were initiated in the 90’s by President Clinton. Those policies further exacerbated black poverty.

Free trade deals and Wall Street are very much black issues.

A ridiculous dichotomy has been drawn in this election between what constitute black issues and what constitutes white issues and many black commentators have been eager to point out that Senators Sanders is reluctant to “say black.”

This is a false and frankly, a foolish dichotomy. It ignores the most basic fact that racism has always been first and foremost a system of economic extraction and distribution. Slavery extracted and redistributed wealth; tenant farming facilitated the extraction of wealth; Jim Crow prevented black accumulation of wealth; mass incarceration allows corporations to extract wealth; and in a globalized economy, the most expendable workers are those who have been made economically powerless through centuries of economic extraction.

As a result of this racialized distribution, white Americans have 15 times more wealth than their black counterparts.

Yes, black people are poor. Perhaps, we have gotten used to it. Perhaps, we are ashamed of it. It is nonetheless true and it is the preeminent form of violence that we experience.

Anyone who believes that the humiliation of a solidly middle class black person who is followed in a clothing store is as critical a public policy issue as the great number of blacks who could only access the goods in that store by resorting to theft is misguided.

  

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63. "Palin says she aint got time for no "Punk ass little thuggery"*video*"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA-2rsunbps

  

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102. "all the worst people support this guy"
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i swear she's human garbage. i didn't even watch the clip

  

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73. "This Obama Doctrine piece got me reconsidering Hillary Too. "
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http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/04/the-obama-doctrine/471525/

Still reading it but it is bananas fascinating. The greastest thing about Obama's foreign policy is that he has questioned all the convention wisdom regarding US Foreign Policy. Why can't we disturb our relationship with Israel. How is Saudi Arabia an alley? Pakistan too? Why not engage Iran? Or Cuba?

It's kind of great to see a President share as much doubt about this COuntry's military adventurism over the past 100 years as your typical lefty OKP.

The other thing that stands out about this piece is that Hillary Clinton fought him tooth and nail on alot of these issues and very much represents the old school status quo thinking regarding Foreign Policy. It would suck to see us move backwards on this issue.



BTW, check out this piece which is like a summary and commentary on the long form piece about the Obama Doctrine.

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/03/obama-doctrine-revolution/473481/

I found it steeped in Racism because the big critique of Obama is that he is arrogant (i.e., uppity nigga) who had the audacity to think that he is the smartest guy in the room. What President hasn't thought they were the smartest guy in the room? What other President has been criticised for thinking he is the smartest guy in the room?


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76. "The wife and I are voting for Bernie"
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good to see you digging for info but bruh... you can't really be shocked Hillary is old school bruh.

We aren't moving forward with her in office.

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82. "My biggest fear with Bernie is that we will move us backwards. "
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Not because he doesn't have good ideas, but he doesn't have the ability to pull them off. largely because he is old as shit, and partly because he doesn't have a track record or experience running big things.

If Bernie had an army behind him, I'd feel more comfortable about it.

But I see him either being destroyed in the run up to the election as they start digging on him (I hope he is against Trump which would improve his odds) or even if he wins going out like Jimmy Carter.

But either way I will support the democratic nominee tuff.



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83. "we damn sure wouldnt move backwards with Bernie"
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but we will with Hilldawg.

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86. "RE: My biggest fear with Bernie is that we will move us backwards. "
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>But either way I will support the democratic nominee tuff.


This ^^^^ is where I'm at....

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92. "Obama has been too transformational and got people shook"
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He's beaten repubs to a pulp for 7 years on damm near everything:

Iran, Cuba, bin laden, auto maker bailout, SCOTUS gay marriage, and the crown jewel: obamacare

This was all accomplished despite a hostile congress whose publicly admitted number one goal was to deny him a second term.

of course all this has created a backlash and lazy dems who don't vote in midterms handed congress to the party of no (soon to be the party of trump)

YT is shook at the audacity of a "socialist marxist muslim" who reflects the changing of America and has changed America.

  

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94. "Even the Economist is open to more socialist policy."
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The robots are coming and it's real. Self-driving automobiles/trucks will result in a 16 million job deficit. That's just the transporting industry (which is 'yuge'). Few industries are safe from robotics.

A universal basic income (if that's not socialism I don't know what is) is now even being bandied about amongst conservatives.

Bernie's rise is part of that transition. There's not gonna be enough jobs to go around with current payscales to prevent third-world like conditions. It's socialism or bust. And frankly, socialism isn't just a necessity....it's what a truly civil society would implement regardless of economic prosperity.

My dream is that future generations will look back on us like the dark ages. Where poor people were left to fend for themselves. Where children did not receive medical care if their parents couldn't afford it. Where our popular culture celebrated excessive wealth. Shame on us.

  

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97. "As it should. This will likely make you re-consider even more:"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsKn7Z9PfrU

  

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93. "Great article (link)"
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Slate: Racial backlash against Obama brought us Trump

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/cover_story/2016/03/how_donald_trump_happened_racism_against_barack_obama.html?wpsrc=sh_all_dt_tw_top

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100. "It's a tempting perspective to have."
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But ultimately doesn't justify the amount of votes he's getting.

  

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103. "White people are mad as shit at Obama AND the GOP establishment"
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105. "It's a small part of his appeal for some of his supporters."
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If you think this whole phenomenonal rise is simply a backlash against having a black president....you're over-simplifying.

This article is wrong on many accounts. The popular belief is that race IS central to Trump's rise. The author seems to suggest that noone has thought of that yet? Seriously?

Part of the problem, imo, is that we HAVE been thinking that.

And why didn't it happen after Obama's first term?

Also.....the majority of Trump's opponents are/were also white. So if it's just a matter of getting a white person back in power....why Trump? Not to mention.....Ben Carson fared better in GOP primaries than anyone predicted.

Seeing this as purely a reaction to Obama's race is an over-simplification. Trump is courting the racist vote fer sure. But that alone cannot account for the record-breaking voter turnout. The likely democratic candidate isn't even a racial minority.

Edit....I replied to the wrong post here.

  

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148. "It's the ONLY perspective to have"
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>But ultimately doesn't justify the amount of votes he's
>getting.

like hell it doesn't

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101. "RE: Great article (link)"
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>Slate: Racial backlash against Obama brought us Trump
>
>http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/cover_story/2016/03/how_donald_trump_happened_racism_against_barack_obama.html?wpsrc=sh_all_dt_tw_top

I tend to agree with this one.....I think he's on to something....

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99. "Interesting perspective here:"
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http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/07/donald-trump-why-americans-support

  

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104. "Trump is talking about trade because its rust belt Tuesday"
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106. "He's been talking about trade since the beginning."
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via 'We don't win anymore'.....'we made bad deals'....etc etc etc.

  

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108. "Yeah, this is true"
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118. "RE: Interesting perspective here:"
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>http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/07/donald-trump-why-americans-support


The article in 93 nailed it.

It sounds like they fell for the okie doke in the link you posted from the guardian.

Some of the establishment is going in on Trump voters.

http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2016/03/the-truth-about-these-dysfunctional-downscale-communities-is-that-they-deserve-to-die.html

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/03/conservatives-to-white-working-class-drop-dead.html?wpsrc=nymag

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/03/15/national_review_says_pro_trump_working_class_whites_are_lazy_and_selfish.html

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126. "Good luck with all that."
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You're looking for easy answers.

  

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128. "Thanks keep up the "
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Chicken Little thing. You are making it more complicated than it is, with the Rob Ford talk and the what's wrong with the "minorities" rhetoric.

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136. "Minority rhetoric?"
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There's exhaustive exit polls available. But if it floats your boat to characterize all Trump supporters as fat, drug-addicted white trash....then go head. Rah rah and all that.

I'm more interested in the truth rather than just appeasing my own prejudices thanks.

  

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161. "Yeah this"
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reply 56

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=12978095&mesg_id=12978095&listing_type=search#12978242




>There's exhaustive exit polls available. But if it floats
>your boat to characterize all Trump supporters as fat,
>drug-addicted white trash....then go head. Rah rah and all
>that.
>

They don't have to be all that, racists come in all kinds of white.

>I'm more interested in the truth rather than just appeasing my
>own prejudices thanks.

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=12979896&mesg_id=12979896&listing_type=search#12982053

"You haven't seen Trump's hand with minority voters yet. The Fords stood outside highrises in black communities and gave out $20 bills. I imagine that Trump will mirror this with some sort of very surface-level equivalent for the minority vote. "


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179. "Is that rhetoric?"
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How are you using the word 'rhetoric'? Like the 'flowery language that doesn't actually mean something' way? I don't think those examples you provided are meaningless, flowery language.

I mean...you provided quotes. But I have no idea why you provided them. I would assume you think they're problematic? How so?

Or do we just quote things and say 'see?' without explaining what the hell our point is?

  

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196. "You kidding ? "
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>How are you using the word 'rhetoric'? Like the 'flowery
>language that doesn't actually mean something' way? I don't
>think those examples you provided are meaningless, flowery
>language.
>

You really need help with this ?

>I mean...you provided quotes. But I have no idea why you
>provided them. I would assume you think they're problematic?
>How so?
>

In reply 56 you said

"One thing specifically that the BLM movement has changed in me perspective is the prospect of reparations. I never took that idea very seriously before."

It took BLM to change your perspective ? Not the internet with tons of info at your fingertips, not people in this form, not libraries and books or speakers ? It was the BLM movement and you had to mention it right before you questioned the BLM' failure to embrace Bernie.

>Or do we just quote things and say 'see?' without explaining
>what the hell our point is?

Your words

"You haven't seen Trump's hand with minority voters yet. The Fords stood outside highrises in black communities and gave out $20 bills. I imagine that Trump will mirror this with some sort of very surface-level equivalent for the minority vote."

How is this different from what you just accused me of doing to Trump supporters ?(i.e. lumping them together)

Do you really believe it's a group of minority voters big enough to help Trump win the election, that are are so child like, that Trump could do something simple and stupid like hand out $20 bills. Which would make them run and vote for them ? You do realize what you are saying ?

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204. "I'm not accusing you of lumping Trump supporters together."
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Go ahead and do that. But you're wrong. The ONLY demographic that Trump is NOT succeeding with are RURAL POOR WHITES. Who are voting for Cruz. The same people that are being propped up as explaining why Trump is succeeding. He's dominating in urban areas and suburbs....not the areas that are characterized in the article you provided.

I'm not taking your characterization of Trump's supporters personally. As in saying 'you shouldn't stereotype white people like that'. I'm saying that you're WRONG. And there are actual statistics that bear this out.

As far as my comments about the minority voters.....I am not suggesting that racial minorities are particularly stupid. I'm arguing that they are just as vulnerable to the appeal of anti-intellectual, populist messages as white voters. Most people think that the perception that Trump is racist will over-ride this appeal. I don't. At least not to the degree that a Trump presidency is impossible because he will receive zero votes from minorities. If that hurts your feelings....maybe you should grow up.

lol. There's posts here like 'too many cracka-ass crackas mad'....I say 'I worry that some minority voters will still vote for Trump'....and you're all like 'How dare you say that about the black electorate!'

Have you thought this through? Cause what you're essentially saying is that anything less than stating the black electorate is smarter than everyone else is offensive.

  

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219. "What are you doing when you say"
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"But if it floats your boat to characterize all Trump supporters as fat, drug-addicted white trash....then go head. Rah rah and all that.
I'm more interested in the truth rather than just appeasing my own prejudices thanks."

If the "appeasing my own prejudice" is not directed at me why include it when I never said anything about your prejudice ?


>Go ahead and do that. But you're wrong. The ONLY
>demographic that Trump is NOT succeeding with are RURAL POOR
>WHITES. Who are voting for Cruz. The same people that are
>being propped up as explaining why Trump is succeeding. He's
>dominating in urban areas and suburbs....not the areas that
>are characterized in the article you provided.

The link from 93 said more than that but i see what happen. You got confused by the three links at the end that I posted. They are not the same as the link in 93 that MME posted. The 3 links I posted was just an example of how the Repub establishment is going in on some of their own voters.

>I'm not taking your characterization of Trump's supporters
>personally. As in saying 'you shouldn't stereotype white
>people like that'. I'm saying that you're WRONG. And there
>are actual statistics that bear this out.
>

You know the stats go both ways ?
This is from the link in 93

"Race plays a part in each of these analyses, but its role has not yet been central enough to our understanding of Trump’s rise. Not only does he lead a movement of almost exclusively disaffected whites, but he wins his strongest support in states and counties with the greatest amounts of racial polarization. Among white voters, higher levels of racial resentment have been shown to be associated with greater support for Trump."

>As far as my comments about the minority voters.....I am not
>suggesting that racial minorities are particularly stupid.
>I'm arguing that they are just as vulnerable to the appeal of
>anti-intellectual, populist messages as white voters. Most
>people think that the perception that Trump is racist will
>over-ride this appeal. I don't. At least not to the degree
>that a Trump presidency is impossible because he will receive
>zero votes from minorities. If that hurts your
>feelings....maybe you should grow up.
>

When you argue they are just as "vulnerable to the appeal of
anti-intellectual, populist messages as white voters" you ignore or avoid the racism they experienced that white voters have not. In order for your argument to work minority voters have to buy into the anti-intellectual, populist message and forget or either pretend the racist comments and behavior coming from Trump does not exist and never happen.

Btw I'm not mad,sad, or hurt Blacks can disagree without getting emotional, save the paternalistic thing for your new perspective claim.

>lol. There's posts here like 'too many cracka-ass crackas
>mad'....I say 'I worry that some minority voters will still
>vote for Trump'....and you're all like 'How dare you say that
>about the black electorate!'
>

Come on you said more than that don't downplay it. Minority voters are going to throw away any pride or dignity they have and rush to the polls for Trump after he waves a trinket at them. No matter how many times he called them rapist or retweeted Black crime stats, that trinket will make them jump up and run full speed to the polls cause they want to stick it to the man.

Everybody better shut they mouth about good white folk who are only voting for him because he appeals to the hard work ethic they believe in, when he talks about bad trade deals taking jobs overseas. Those good white people don't have a racist bone in their body and all of Trumps racist comments and actions would never get them to vote for him.

>Have you thought this through? Cause what you're essentially
>saying is that anything less than stating the black electorate
>is smarter than everyone else is offensive.
>

I thought it through more then you have obviously. I'm doing something foreign to you which is giving minority voters the benefit of the doubt. You know those pesky things like stats, history, and reading can go far if you give it a chance.

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110. "This talk about crossover voting in Ohio exit polls has me worried. "
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Even though I joked about it above.

The people who vote strategically are by-and-large Hillary supporters. So to the extent that this is a phenomenon of people voting Kasich to slow down Trump, that really hurts Hillary. I remember some discussion that this effect might have been part of why the polls were off in Michigan.

A possible alternative explanation is that anti-trade voters might be voting FOR Trump, which would hurt Sanders. But that's probably a lesser effect.

  

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114. "RE: This talk about crossover voting in Ohio exit polls has me worried. "
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Yeah...it's for real. There's a good number of Dems voting for Kasich as a middle finger to Trump....Kasich is also beating Trump with registered Republicans and is only getting beat slightly with independents...

But the early Ohio numbers for the Dems r intriguing...

Bernie is only beating Hilldawg by 2 percent so far with the white vote...But he's getting beat in the head with the black vote again....(He's in the '20s....Clinton is in the '70s...)

That's why Clinton so far still has the lead in Ohio....Bernie won Michigan by kicking her ass with the white vote....If the white vote stays close, Clinton will most likely win....

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111. "GOODNIGHT RUBIO!"
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112. "Lil' Marco went night night LAST super tuesday"
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the mathmatical projection for him to win the nomination has him needing 110% of the remaining votes

guess he hasn't gotten the message yet

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116. "RE: Lil' Marco went night night LAST super tuesday"
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I don't know why I snicker when I read or hear Lil Marco....lol

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178. "feel a little bad for the lil' homie...NAH, not really"
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he completely over estimated his chances

and sounds like he sand bagged his Sen seat by neglecting his duties

looks like his political career is a wrap

there was some rumbling about a billionare using the extortion debt PR model in argentina to fund his campaign

so maybe they put money behind him in a local election

but after this showing, he might be on the fight for 15 campaign and relegated to flipping burgers the rest of his life

not completely his fault, as nobody saw Trump coming

can't say I've ever seen somebody have a legit chance at the POTUS

and over night seemingly no prospects at all.

grand opening grand closing.

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113. "Primary Updates...."
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Bernie looking like his strategy in Illinois is paying off....By connecting Rahm Emanuel (who is pretty much public enemy no. 1 in Chicago...People HATE that man...lol.) with Clinton in that big ad buy he may pull out a close one...

Clinton looks like she should win Florida and North Carolina....

Missouri looks like Bernie Country...

Trump is kicking ass in Florida...Rubio is cooked food...

Ohio? It's a CLUSTERFUCK.....The Trump/Kasich battle is seeping over to the Bernie/Hillary match up...Exit polls are suggesting that there are a good chunk of Dems crossing over to vote Republican. But unlike Michigan, the interviews that have taken place show that many are voting for Kasich as a protest vote against Trump....

Right now Clinton has a slim lead in Ohio at the moment.....But Kasich (who is leading in the Ohio Republican primary) seems to be getting a rush of that anyone-but-Trump vote even from longtime Democrats....This shit is fascinating....

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115. "I'm really pulling for Kasich in Ohio."
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Moreso than any other primary GOP or Dem.

At this point....I think it's in every OKP's (despite any differences between us) interests for a brokered convention. Am I wrong?

I don't know much about that process.....but that's what we ALL want correct?

  

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117. "RE: I'm really pulling for Kasich in Ohio."
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>Moreso than any other primary GOP or Dem.
>
>At this point....I think it's in every OKP's (despite any
>differences between us) interests for a brokered convention.
>Am I wrong?


Sir...u r correct....

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119. "Yeah, pretty sure every liberal would LOVE a brokered GOP convention."
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Especially if they decide to do something completely stupid and nominate Mitt Romney, or something like that. I think that would bring ALL of us together, in laughter at the very least.

  

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120. "that ohio "clusterfuck" indicates exactly whats gonna happen in GE"
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idiots thinking dems are gonna cross over to trump...its gonna be jus the opposite...waaay more repubs will be crossing over to demo....

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121. "Big win for Hillary in Florida."
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Nearly 2 to 1 at this point. People are saying that's almost enough on its own to guarantee she wins the day for delegates.

NC getting closer than one would naively expect, but still a big lead there for Hillary as well.

It's still early to say much about Ohio, but it certainly doesn't look like it'll be the catastrophe that a lot of people (including me) were expecting after Michigan.

  

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123. "Looks like Hillawg may win Ohio"
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Its a wrap if that happens regardless of how Illinois and Mizzou go

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122. "Sounds like Rubio is about to suspend"
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He seems real somber in this speech so far. Kids look sad

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124. "If you cant win your home state... "
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125. "Yeah, he's speaking past-tense."
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On the other hand, he still sounds like he's talking anti-Trump. I wonder if he'll make an endorsement.

  

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127. "He seems relieved to me."
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Like he's been dreading this day for awhile and is glad that it's over. He's more likeable now than every single appearance beforehand lol.

  

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131. "i know a guy who was in a similar boat (not POTUS obv, but still a major..."
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he wanted to be *the guy* but when he realized the electorate wasn't with him, he couldn't get out of the game fast enough.

he's happy to sit it out and be with his family/making bank, and even though the party comes to him verrrrrry rarely, i suspect he has enough of an ego that he can still milk that.

wonder how quickly rubio is going to duck out of the senate stuff?

  

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130. "He's torture to listen to"
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With all the attention paid Trump I kind of lost sight of what a vapid phoney this guy is

  

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129. "They sure love them some Clinton in the Confederacy "
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Too bad those are Republican states in a General.

Democrat has to win Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania -- those are the states which Democrats should be paying the most attention to.

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132. "just like they loved Obama in 2008?"
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145. "One thing is not like the other. "
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152. "don't matter, it's a shitty critique"
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southern democrats are just as democratic as democrats anywhere else and they're often fighting tough fights without a lot of support.

this is what being a national party means.

  

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157. "exactly the point: "
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>southern democrats are just as democratic as democrats
>anywhere else and they're often fighting tough fights without
>a lot of support.

There's a verifiable shift happening among progressives who aren't blindly obedient to the DNC - nor should they be. However, particularly in the Deep South in this primary - the DNC legitimacy has been largely upheld. That's not happening in many other pockets of the country.

But alas - everything moves slower in the Deep South. They just removed the Confederate Flag from their precious SC state-house in 2015. So, my expectations are low.

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162. "nah. let's not go the "people are dumb" route"
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these are not people that went with hillary and the dnc in 2008.

i'm with you that the dnc hasn't earned anyone's votes. but it's going to take more than just bernie to convince people down here that there are viable alternatives.

i'm currently a southern democrat, and i have been encouraging my friends across the south to vote for bernie, but you're going too far with it.

  

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166. "RE: nah. let's not go the "people are dumb" route"
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>these are not people that went with hillary and the dnc in
>2008.
>
>i'm with you that the dnc hasn't earned anyone's votes. but
>it's going to take more than just bernie to convince people
>down here that there are viable alternatives.
>
>i'm currently a southern democrat, and i have been encouraging
>my friends across the south to vote for bernie, but you're
>going too far with it.


Of course he's going too far....It;s Vex....lol

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167. "Nobody's calling them dumb. But the dynamics are diff. in the South"
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>these are not people that went with hillary and the dnc in
>2008.

How do you know this?

>i'm with you that the dnc hasn't earned anyone's votes. but
>it's going to take more than just bernie to convince people
>down here that there are viable alternatives.

For sure - but this was the start of something. You're already seeing viable challenges to DWS in Florida.

>i'm currently a southern democrat, and i have been encouraging
>my friends across the south to vote for bernie

Good luck with that.



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174. "RE: Nobody's calling them dumb. But the dynamics are diff. in the Sout..."
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>>these are not people that went with hillary and the dnc in
>>2008.
>
>How do you know this?

polling. election results.

>>i'm with you that the dnc hasn't earned anyone's votes. but
>>it's going to take more than just bernie to convince people
>>down here that there are viable alternatives.
>
>For sure - but this was the start of something. You're
>already seeing viable challenges to DWS in Florida.

florida politics is a giant ball of mess and dws was already shaky anyway. but if you want to impress southern dems, the way to do it is to get a grassroots movement to run candidates in districts the dnc has given up on and develop some real movements to get parts of he south purple. north carolina and parts of georgia would be a great place to start.

>>i'm currently a southern democrat, and i have been
>encouraging
>>my friends across the south to vote for bernie
>
>Good luck with that.
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153. "RE: One thing is not like the other. "
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They r both the same, Vex.....And we all said the same stuff u r talking about now...Remember, Clinton beat Obama in the Rustbelt States too in 2008...There were ALOT of Hillary heads hitting me in the head about how Obama couldn't win the general because he had issues in the BIG Rustbelt states....

Same shit, different day....

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158. "this is such a weird angle"
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the fact that the Old Confederacy swung towards Clinton is more incidental to the fact that blacks make up a plurality of the Democratic electorates in those states. 51% of the Democratic electorate in Georgia alone is black. 71% in Mississippi. there's your issue right there. Confederacy be damned.

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170. "The South is conservative, conventional, and traditional. "
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And that aspect of its culture transcends political party and racial demographics.


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133. "RE: They sure love them some Clinton in the Confederacy "
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>Too bad those are Republican states in a General.
>
>Democrat has to win Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania -- those are
>the states which Democrats should be paying the most attention
>to.
>


Looking like Clinton may pull it off in Ohio as well....Still early though...


Edit: Done deal...Hilldawg claims Ohio...

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144. "Ohio was huge for Clinton tonight. "
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138. "Welp.."
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134. "*grins*"
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135. "Hillary on the way to a resounding Ohio victory"
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we done w/ this primary charade yet?

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137. "unfortunately, even if we were, we won't like what comes next either"
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140. "Yeah, once shit is decided its pretty much a shitty deal for later state..."
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Hilldawg is pretty much focusing on Trump from now on.

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151. "I dunno. From here on out the Hillary landslides come to an end."
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Pretty much all that remains are states where Bernie can keep it close and get some wins. And his money spigot probably won't turn off soon. The delegate race is bleaker today than yesterday for him, but if he wants to keep the pain going, it's pretty clear he can. I hope he doesn't, of course.

The main change, I expect is that the horserace talk will now go back to how it looked before Michigan. It's looking like, in part, maybe Michigan WAS a fluke. At least, that's how a lot of people will be talking about it.

  

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139. ""Help us John Kasich: you're our only hope""
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Thought no Republican three months ago.

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141. "RE: "Help us John Kasich: you're our only hope""
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Contested convention, here we come!.....

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142. "Can't wait to see how the Trump supporters react"
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when/if the party tries to nominate Kasich at the convention.

  

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143. "RE: Can't wait to see how the Trump supporters react"
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>
>when/if the party tries to nominate Kasich at the convention.


Trump will run as a third party candidate......

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146. "So Lovely (c) Phonte"
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>>
>>when/if the party tries to nominate Kasich at the
>convention.
>
>
>Trump will run as a third party candidate......

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150. "I have a hard time envisioning Kasich being a part of that."
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He seems way too much a stand-up guy to take part in that.

  

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155. "He's not a stand-up guy AT ALL."
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It's an act, and it's worked for him so far (largely because he's playing a compelling "part" in the media narrative), but on issues, he's as crazy as any of them.

  

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164. "Oh golly gee willikers guys *tugs on shirt collar*"
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Lol

He doesn't come of AS insane as the others, but he still has some extreme positions.

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168. "like i said a few weeks ago, he's just an austerity huckabee"
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he seems alright to most people but that's just because he's humble and "decent"

we have to remember his politics and his circles are still palatable to this republican party.

  

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176. "My first impression of him was from the Clinton impeachment,"
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in which he played a central role.

I wonder how that would play if he somehow ended up in the general.

  

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177. "Than call me duped."
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He seems pretty reasonable to me.

Could you give me 3 major differences between a Clinton and Kasich presidency?

  

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181. "I'm too lazy/drunk right now."
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Google "kasich labor" or "kasich austerity" for some of the more obvious issues.

He's a smart politician; he was canny enough to push for medicaid expansion in Ohio to win some crossover appeal. But overall he's a cross of the Gingrich revolution and the Tea Party.

  

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195. "Oh, and of course, "
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abortion:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/john-kasichs-quiet-campaign-to-cut-abortion-access/

  

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270. "I hope the good Doc Claw won't mind me posting this"
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But here's the scoop from an Ohioan:

"Hello people,

I'm Dr. Claw. Since 2003, I've been a resident of the great state of Ohio. And even though it's only been 12 years and change of actual residency, all my life I've had to fight fear, uncertainty and doubt about this place I call home.
Don't get me wrong; once you get out of the outposts, you're bombarded with the kind of fly-over, Middle America foolishness that made Presidential hopeful Donald Drumpf a "thing". The kind of people who fly Confederate flags in a UNION state. But... you know, I look at every state in the union and see the same shit outside of its outposts. That is to say, Ohio, is no different from anywhere else.

We had primary elections today. And a lot of people have become suddenly more aware of our governor, John Kasich, since he was one of the few Presidential hopefuls for the Republican Party that didn't sound as ridiculous as the likes of Ted Cruz, Ben "Dr. NyQuil" Carson, Carly Fiorina, and Herr Drumpf himself. But don't be fooled by his genteel, seemingly sensible demeanor.... he is still BULLSHIT.

Kasich, a former Fox News correspondent, found himself governor during a midterm election where all he had to do was repeat a lie about his predecessor Ted Strickland "not getting the jobs done". Anyone with a 2nd grade reading level and above could see it was BULLSHIT. Alas, this was the season of peak "Obama Derangement Syndrome" among the people who actually went to the polls, so we were largely dealing with people who couldn't even satisfy that simple requirement.

As a result, we got a governor who:

- tried to pass legislation that was intended to completely dismantle unions for public employees. The target, of course, was teacher's unions, but Kasich and friends made the mistake of extending the axe to police and firefighters' unions. The result... his precious bill was sent back to the toilet where it belongs. (http://www.cleveland.com/…/ohio_voters_overwhelmingly_rej.h…)
- took the already toxic concept of "welfare to work" to a further extreme, by using a crafty end-around (by county, rather than by metropolitan statistical area) federal unemployment requirements (http://www.cleveland.com/…/ohio_food_stamp_decision_promp.h…)

- joined other states in the "Red Sweep" in severely diminishing women's reproductive rights. Not only does he seek a major defunding of Planned Parenthood, but he has enacted every single anti-abortion measure put on his desk, halving the number of clinics in the state. Furthermore, he signed a measure that forbids state-funded rape counselors from informing victims of their rights. (http://www.motherjones.com/…/wolf-sheeps-clothing-gov-kasic…)

- Slashed school budgets in the name of "balancing the budget", in favor of charter schooling and "vouchers" for faith-based private schooling. As a result, many school districts (already a wildly inefficient mess as they are based on municipality) are forced to hike local taxes to fill in the gaps. The comedic part? This motherfucker's administration withheld the results of failing charter schools to prevent them from getting the same treatment of their public counterparts. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/…/what-ohio-gov-john-kasich…/)
- boasts of economic recovery, and even created a non-profit corporation to spur "job creation" (anyone smell something burning)? but the devil is in the details. Ohio hasn't created as many jobs as it thinks it has. (http://www.nytimes.com/…/poli…/john-kasich-ohio-primary.html)

If you hear anyone who says this guy is any better than Trump, because he doesn't speak of absurdities like building a wall between the US and Mexico and deporting all Muslims and actually expanded Medicaid as suggested by the Affordable Care Act... you should go into their medicine cabinet and throw out all of their NyQuil, and smack that crack pipe out of their hand.

Take it from an Ohioan: Kasich is BULLSHIT. And he'd be even more bullshit if you gave him a berth larger than Ohio"

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278. "Approved"
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156. "RE: I have a hard time envisioning Kasich being a part of that."
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>He seems way too much a stand-up guy to take part in that.


Katich is the one talking about a contested convention......It's going to happen as long as Trump doesn't get the majority of the delegates.....And Kasich is just as Right Wing as most of them fuckers......

It's going to be fun....

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165. "Nah.. he told Sean Hannity he is about that life"
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He is all about a brokered convention

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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192. "He would have already dropped out of he wasn't down. "
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A brokered convention is his only path at this point.

  

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147. "http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/1058299/piano-lid-closes-at-harpo-s-o.gi..."
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http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/1058299/piano-lid-closes-at-harpo-s-o.gif

With these losses today, it looks like the Sanders train is out of steam. He put up a strong fight, but Clinton's roots were just dug in too deep

I don't think I'll ever be a Clinton supporter, but I'll begrudgingly fall in line

Major plus out of this. I'm very optimistic for the future. It is no longer taboo to be super liberal, and if the young crowd that overwhelmingly supported Sanders doesn't suddenly moderate the future looks bright for progressivism.

Hopefully a Sanders-like candidate in the near future starts a more traditional campaign and puts in work early

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149. "Im glad Rubio is done"
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But is it safe to say Trump is definitely the Nom?

  

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160. "Probably, but it'll get really ugly."
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>But is it safe to say Trump is definitely the Nom?

That "brokered convention" that the talking heads have been been salivating over for decades, is now almost certain to happen. Trump will have a plurality of delegates, but it's still very possible the party leaders could steal it away from him through what will feel to the voters like procedural tricks.

All this talk about the Republican party permanently "shattering", I'm starting to take it kinda seriously. (Not that that would mean an end to conservatism, of course, but it'd be a huge setback.)

  

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183. "It happened in Canada around 30 years ago."
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Our conservative party split into two in the late 80's and we got like 15 years of a liberal government out of it.

Fingers crossed

  

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190. "unfortunately the u.s. system has built up pretty strong 2 party tendenc..."
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canada might be more like the u.s. than some european parliamentary systems are like the u.s., but the campaign finance situation and lack of roles for relevant third options have us pretty locked in.

if they allow this shit to break, it'll realign pretty quickly.

  

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225. "I'd bet it would be comparable."
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The conservative fracture in Canada lasted around 12 years.....resulted in 13 years of liberal government.

I mean....if it happens it's got to be at least two terms. Could they splinter off....lose this year.....then rebuild the party for a victory in 4 years? I think the damage would be too great for that. 8 years minimum I'd guess.

  

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271. "Bull Moose and Wallace barely split the parties for more than a cycle"
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those were major differences within the parties with factions led by strong, popular leaders. things got fuzzy and voters changed party identities, but the parties came out of it fine.

and we're much more ideological now. plus the parties have built in legal supports at the state and national levels to keep competition/dissent out.

i wish it would happen, but i don't see it.

  

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154. "only warren as vp can reduce my sodium levels now *tears*"
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i don't wanna vote for this rich ass broad, man

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159. "people were talking about perez yesterday"
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i don't want anyone drafted out of the senate or who's already in a leadership position. we don't have enough people in those spots.

the push back from a nom like that would be legendary....but it might be worth the mad.

  

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163. "I was just gonna mention Tom Perez."
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Seems like a very interesting possibility.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Perez

Good point about Warren. I also think she doesn't want it. If she was looking for an executive spot right now, she's have run for the top of the ticket.

Warren will be forcefully endorsing Hillary (or of course Bern if he pulled out what now looks like a miracle). That'll mend some bridges.

  

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171. "she don't want it lol - she lightweight endorsed perez already."
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i just don't see somber bernie supporters being satiated w/ perez --

but then again, hilldawg mainly wants his help shoring up dat good latino vote.

*ghetto tears*

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227. "Liz Warren VP is a waste of Liz Warren imo"
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I think she's more valuable as one of the few people in congress who's worth a shit. Same goes for Bernie. I'd rather he stay in the senate, or even be a straight up activist. rather than a cabinet position

  

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231. "RE: Liz Warren VP is a waste of Liz Warren imo"
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>I think she's more valuable as one of the few people in
>congress who's worth a shit. Same goes for Bernie. I'd rather
>he stay in the senate, or even be a straight up activist.
>rather than a cabinet position


I agree.....

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234. "Fcuk just VP, Hillary should announce her entire cabinet"
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and have all the people that folks cream in the pants over.


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169. "here for the L"
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Bern needed 60% of the remaining votes before tonight

after this shutout it's a wrap

congrats to both candidates

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173. "yup. Bernie needed to keep Ohio respectable."
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Even though the rest of the map favors Bernie - tonight was devastating and the delegate math is simply insurmountable at this point.

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182. "our only hope now is a progressive VP pick"
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but they've been throwing that latino bols name in there the whole time

Julian Castro

and he seems to be waist deep in the Clinton kool-aid

always liked Corey Booker, until he started stumping for HRC, but that's just my bias

I really, really like the idea of BHO on the supreme court though

if Rs delay, and that happens = armageddon

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198. "Castro would be the perfect Clintonian cosmetic move."
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184. "I thought Michigan could be the start of something big but nah... fluke ..."
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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187. "yeah, I thought the Rahm silence would be deafening and = W in IL"
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and the MI W would capture the rust belt

domino into coal country

looks like it wasn't meant to be for ol boy

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199. "As Clinton's Ohio surrogates predicted: "Ohio is more conservative""
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They were right.

Bernie has fought an unbelievable fight against the DNC - but it hasn't been enough to unearth the stronghold that the Establishment still has on the lion-share of the electorate.

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172. "Wow. I'm actually kinda how shocked how well Ohio went for Hillary."
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Not gloating or anything. I'm genuinely surprised. I was not expecting such a uniform map.

https://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/map-oh-d1.png

  

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175. "sanders gotta drop out tonight."
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fuck all that continuing the message shit.
we got a real threat on our hands
(if the repubs dont rob trump of the nomination).
bernie gotta endorse hillary
and start working on bringing progressives, millennials, and independents
together with the clinton coalition.

  

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180. "I'm not so sure he should drop out tonight."
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Bernie's presence in the race forces Clinton to address issues that she would like to large ignore (trade deals, interventionist wars, criminal justice etc...).

The longer Sanders stays in - the longer she has to improve as a candidate on these issues and then be held accountable for adopting certain elements of the Sanders platform (which she has recently done).

Clinton must improve as a candidate if she wants to earn the support of Independents and Progressives in a general - and I think she can - but not if she's allowed to revert back to her vague centrism and conventional ways of thinking about trade, war, and criminal justice.


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186. "^^^"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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191. "She's not gonna be able to ignore trade deals with Trump."
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That's part of the problem I was worried about before. There's cross-over with Sanders and Trump when it comes to trade. Continuing to press her on that just does Trump;s work for him.

  

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197. "Trump has no credibility on trade deals"
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He talks nationalistic on that front (which is what his base likes) - but there's no substance to him on it. Clinton's conventional wisdom on trade, SuperPac money, and strengthening central banking powers would be portrayed as "pragmatic" and "realistic" in contrast to Trump's style of saying whatever he thinks people will like. Same thing with Iraq. Trump likes to tout his anti-Iraq war rhetoric - but he has no credibility on the issue - particularly when he's talking about "blowing the shit out of ISIS."

Sanders is the only person running who could credibly force Clinton to pivot away from her outdated views on trade, the economy, and war. I fear that a Trump v. Clinton general election will only enable Clinton's horrible policies on the aforementioned.

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203. "Trade deal talk is all bullshit...."
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The dirty little secret is NO ONE can do a thing about trade....It's a fake debate...The working class whites who once depended on manufacturing jobs, working with a high school diploma? Those days are basically on its death bed...

America is a capitalistic society with a socialist safety net.....This is a new age GLOBAL economy....Tech based....Even Apple makes its products in China...Cheaper wages...lower taxes---It's the American way...

Which takes us back to Trump...He talks all that shit about trade and jobs...When Clinton comes out with that campaign commercial about how Trump HIRES ILLEGALS at his companies and how his products are made in China, people outside of his zombie ass contingent of supporters will give him the side-eye...





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213. "He unveiled his response to that attack at the last debate."
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'Hey, I'm a business man. Of course I'm gonna take advantage of the incentives provided by these crazy trade deals. NOONE KNOWS THEM BETTER THAN ME. Therefor, I'm the guy who can fix them'.

Seems to be playing out pretty good for him so far.

So I'm not convinced that attacking him for out-sourcing or hiring illegal immigrants (gawd I hate the term 'illegals') is gonna work. That's much more of a republican-style attack and the other GOP candidates haven't been able to capitalize on it. Don't see how Hillary would have more success.

  

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218. "I'm with you on this. "
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Trump is shockingly good at timing his battles and manipulating his audience. It's amazing that people are still writing him off.

He could still become the catastrophe everyone expected in the general election, I think there are even some good arguments for that, but I'll believe it when I see it. If I had to bet money today, I'd bet (with huge regret) that Donald Trump will be our next President. The fact that it seems so weird to even say that, I think, is part of why he's been so consistently underestimated. "Stupider like a fox", as Homer Simpson once said.

  

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236. "RE: He unveiled his response to that attack at the last debate."
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Trump's goods are made in China.....He hires IMMIGRANTS from overseas....Even turned away Americans looking for a job at his businesses....

He's getting votes from a lot of different folks, even some educated people...But his main base is white folk with a high school diploma hurt by manufacturing jobs leaving the country....

They rolling with him regardless....

But everyone else? They will see through his bullshit....

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251. "He's essentially playing a wrestling heel."
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I think you're mistaken with his base (at least within the GOP). The exit polls show that the MORE education people have, the more likely they are going to vote for Trump. He's winning with uneducated people too....but not with as high a margin. (Cruz is getting a relatively bigger chunk of the uneducated vote)

But the defence sounds like a wrestling heel that pokes eyes while the ref isn't looking.

'Hey I don't make the rules. I was a business man...my job was to make money. Don't be a hater. The reason I'm running is so that people like me CAN'T take advantage of these 'bad deals'.

Unfortunately, it's working. I really don't think moralizing is gonna stop him. (though in a sane world...it would)

  

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255. "RE: He's essentially playing a wrestling heel."
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>Unfortunately, it's working. I really don't think moralizing
>is gonna stop him. (though in a sane world...it would)


Oh...no doubt it's working...But it's working with too small of a demographic of voters...


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201. "her victory speeches are basically sanders scripts now."
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i dont see how she can go back on that.
i think she already got the message
on where the democratic base is moving,
especially younger voters.

if sanders stays in
he gotta tone down the attacks.
hillary gotta look as strong as possible going into the general.

  

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205. "#feelthebernforher"
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185. "what would he do with the money? TWENTY SEVEN DOLLARS!!!"
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not really interested in debating if he should or shouldn't

obviously arguments on both sides

just wondering what would he do with all that money he raised?

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188. "He owes it to his supporters to see this through..."
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But he has to kake sure he gets the radicals on board in the process.

Godamit America... smh.

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193. "he owes it to his supporters to keep pushing hillary but also to pivot"
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to sustainability. he ESPECIALLY should be working hard to help the progressives in the midwest, rust belt, and south. and he should work even harder to ensure a seat at the table in the future for people who stuck their necks out for him against the dnc.

  

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207. "pay off some his supporters tuition lol."
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189. "Lol @ The GOP. This is brutal. "
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194. "Wow these networks just let Trump go and go and go. "
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I mean, I guess they should, since he is the clear frontrunner. Still, it feels very strange.

  

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209. "Trump coverage is insane..."
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217. "And as soon as he was done, "
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everyone was saying "A much more concise and reserved speech from Donald Trump." I don't know if they said "more Presidential" or not, but it's certainly being bandied around with him these days.

Defining Presidential down like hell.

  

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200. "damn apparently none of the 3 networks carried sanders speech lol."
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202. "Has there been a Sanders speech yet?"
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I'm actually surprised that it wouldn't be covered. But there seems to be a WHOLE lot more talk about the R side than the D side tonight. Did the Sanders speech overlap with the Trump speech?

  

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206. "yeah apparently he spoke for about an hour."
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made no mention of tonights results.

i thought he was waiting to decide
whether to continue or not.
but he already spoke
and the networks chose to ignore him.
not even a split screen with no audio.

  

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208. "Cruz is shameless as fuck...lol"
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He's writing a GLOWING poem about Rubio....

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210. "RE: Cruz is shameless as fuck...lol"
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Dont care what anyone says...

Cruz is scarier than Trump....

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211. "If you think its over you forgot where he started "
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214. "WE'RE GONNA GO TO IDAHO! AND UTAH! AND ARIZONA!! AND ALASKA!!"
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AND WE'RE GOING TO WASHINGTON! HAWAII AND WISCONSIN!!!

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215. "Those are the margins by which he would have NEEDED to win."
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And they've all gone up since then, because he's pretty consistently missed those targets thus far.

Not gloating, just trying to clarify.

He's gonna stay in the race, probably until the end. He has no reason to drop out. And from here on out he'll probably start to thin the delegate gap. But it's a huge uphill climb for him to actually take a lead.

  

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216. "this is only true if those margins are accurate"
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i mean, it has Clinton at +8 in FL, but she actually ended up winning by +32

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212. "GET JOHNNY SMITH ON THE PHONE."
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220. "Punditocracy telling Hillary to smile more."
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http://thinkprogress.org/media/2016/03/15/3760668/hillary-clinton-male-pundits-sexist-tweets/

I know people don't like talking about sexist undertones in this race. But I'm not talking about the Bernie supporters in this case.

Comparing for a second, though: Bernie yells A LOT more in his speeches than Hillary does, smiles and jokes A LOT less. And understandably so; this is a very serious race. But people aren't telling him to soften his image. The same can be said of a lot of the Republicans.

  

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221. "Yeah, that's horseshit advice on their part"
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She shouldn't be told to be "outwardly pleasant" than anyone else in this race.

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230. "Its more than her being a woman, it's her reputation and past history "
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239. ""Stop Telling Women to Smile" - Tlynnfaz"
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256. "def a gender bias and i dont like to throw shit like that around loosely..."
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she has to work harder to project her voice
to large crowds.
i dont hear the anger they speak of.
i just hear her trying to talk loudly
but shes slightly uncomfortable speaking up in that range.

you see her more natural tone during town halls with smaller crowds.

i think she reminds a lot of men of their wives vocally.
so when she ups the volume
theyre automatically conditioned to think mad and nitpicky lol.

  

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222. "Carson admits to a quid pro quo for position in Trump admin (swipe/vid)"
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You not supposed to say that out loud you big dummy.
The whole interview is the most lukewarm endorsement in history (he said he'd rather endorse Kaisich or Rubio, but Trump is the 'practical' choice).
The illegal quid pro quo is at the 6min30sec mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbvQjvmHU9w


http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/03/15/ben-carson-role-donald-trump-administration/81828510/


In an interview with NewsmaxTV on Monday, Dr. Ben Carson said that Republican frontrunner Donald Trump promised him a role in his potential administration.

Carson said Trump will “surround himself with very good people” and when asked if he would be one of those people, Carson said “I will be doing things as well, yes.”

Pressed on if that meant something in Trump’s administration, Carson responded “certainly in an advisory capacity.” Carson went on to say that it was something that had been determined when he sat down with Trump.

“We haven’t hammered out all the details, but it is very important we work together to save this country,” Carson said.

Asked if that meant a cabinet position, Carson said he couldn’t “reveal any details about it right now, because all of this is still very liquid."

A day after admitting all of this, Carson tweeted that he stands by his endorsement, which was "principled and not selfish."

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223. "LOL"
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A few days ago there was an interview where he said even if Trump is a terrible President, it'll only be for four years.

This guy is so much fun.

  

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224. "Shit. Looks like Clinton won ALL FIVE! "
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Doesn't make much difference in MO or IL, since the delegates will be split. Still, as far as the 'narrative' goes, this was an enormous day.

  

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226. "Clinton will never get my vote"
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I may just leave the President part of the ballot blank.

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233. "^^Helping Trump Win. "
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238. "a lot of bernie supporters saying they will outright vote trump now."
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some of them to "send a message" (take that as you will).
some actually think he is the lesser of 2 evils.
they prefer trump in terms of foreign policy (neoisolationist vs hawk/neocon).
or they prefer trump in terms of free trade.
or they prefer trump in terms of (lack of) relationship to wall street.
or they prefer trump in terms of not being handcuffed to special interests.

but i think a lot of them really just hate hillary on a visceral level. i cant really blame em.

  

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243. "What? I don't like Hillary at all but none of that makes any sense, lol...."
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>they prefer trump in terms of foreign policy (neoisolationist
>vs hawk/neocon).
>or they prefer trump in terms of free trade.
>or they prefer trump in terms of (lack of) relationship to
>wall street.
>or they prefer trump in terms of not being handcuffed to
>special interests.

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246. "what didnt make sense to you? theres a case for each and every point."
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272. "free trade is the only *maybe* point there."
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and it's not a strong one.

  

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280. "theres a pretty clear line of distinction on each one."
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at least in terms of voter perception
(which is really what we are discussing)

foreign policy...
hillary is basically a neocon/hawk republican ready to intervene/invade at the drop of a dime. she is all for removing leaders of other countries that dont fit our interests. but trump has been branded an isolationist. he wanted to stay out of iraq, didnt wanna fuck with libya, wants to let china handle north korea, and wants to leave isis/syria to russia and muslim countries. the most interventionist thing he has said is that since we were already in iraq, we might as well bomb/take the oil so it cant be used to fund terrorism.

free trade...
pretty obvious. you can say it contradicts his business practices. but he has given himself a convenient out there. (i took advantage of the system so i know how fix it in our favor...)

wall street...
thats pretty much been clintons biggest stain so far. trump said hedge funds "get away with murder". obviously he has gotten financing from big banks for his ventures/bankruptcies. but he is not blatantly in their pocket like clinton. they were even trying to tie him to bernie in early repub debates because of how he wanted to tax the rich and close hedge fund loopholes.
http://money.cnn.com/2015/09/15/news/economy/donald-trump-wall-street/

special interests...
another obvious one. we know how the clinton campaign is funded. we know how the trump campaign is not funded.

trump has an obvious advantage in that he has no political track record. so either you believe or dont believe what he says. clinton can be tied to specific policy she supported and can be judged on her actions.

either way you can see how dem/independent voters might prefer trump over hillary when it comes to these specific issues.

  

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282. "no. trump's been inconsistent on those issues"
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just as theoretically, bernie supporters believe hillary has been. i mean, that's the beef in 2016 right?

he's been inconsistent in different ways, but right now he's certainly positioned as a hawk, not an isolationist. he certainly has ties to wall street and finance. he doesn't just represent special interests---he is the personification of special interest.

anyone distinguishing between trump and hillary and coming out on the "trump is closer to our position" on those matters requires a very specious reading of their dances around the issues.

the only way there's that many bernie supporters who would vote trump is that a large chunk of the progressive base is stupid.

i could see it if you believed bernie's support is populist, but it's not. turnout would have been higher.

i refuse to believe that many people are that stupid.

  

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247. "RE: a lot of bernie supporters saying they will outright vote trump now."
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Fuck 'em....The level headed Bernie fans will support Clinton....

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257. "yup"
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>
>Fuck 'em....The level headed Bernie fans will support
>Clinton....

Alot of Clinton supporters felt the same way going into the Democratic Convention in 2008 until Bubba spoke at the Convention and told her supporters to get onboard and think of the bigger picture.

They can be all in their feeling now but by November most of them will vote Dem.

  

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261. "Agreed."
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Let's give a little room for morning-after sour grapes.

  

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228. "The two most disliked front-runners in modern US history?"
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This is a fascinating article. Political analysts and historians "struggle to recall a time" when a majority of Americans had such "stubbornly low opinions" of both front-runners:

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/03/16/us/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump.html

Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump Are Winning Votes, but Not Hearts

By MICHAEL BARBARO

MARCH 15, 2016

The victories were lopsided. The celebrations were effusive. The delegates were piling up by the hundreds.

But Donald J. Trump and Hillary Clinton’s resounding triumphs on Tuesday masked a profound, historic and unusual reality: Most Americans still don’t like him. Or her.

Both major parties must now confront the depth of skepticism, resistance and distaste for their front-runners, a sentiment that would profoundly shape a potential general election showdown between Mr. Trump and Mrs. Clinton.

Even as they watched the two candidates amass large margins on Tuesday, historians and strategists struggled to recall a time when more than half the country has held such stubbornly low opinions of the leading figures in the Democratic and Republican Parties.

“There is no analogous election in the modern era where the two top candidates for the nomination are as divisive and weak,” said Steve Schmidt, a top campaign adviser to George W. Bush in 2004 and John McCain in 2008. “There is no precedent for it.”

Mrs. Clinton’s commanding wins in the swing states of Ohio, North Carolina and Florida seemed to hobble the once robust challenge of Senator Bernie Sanders. And Mr. Trump’s dominance in Florida, North Carolina and Illinois knocked out Senator Marco Rubio and propelled Mr. Trump even closer to the Republican nomination.

This would be the moment, under normal circumstances, when the de facto nominees, emerging victorious from the intramural skirmishes of their parties’ nominating contests, would invite an eager national electorate to take their measure. And in their victory speeches, both tried their best, issuing broad appeals for Americans to unite behind them.

But Mr. Trump has unnerved many Americans with his inflammatory oratory and radical-sounding proposals. And Mrs. Clinton, while viewed as a more seasoned and serious political figure, has struggled in her campaign to win the trust of the American electorate. And it is all but impossible for the country to take a fresh look at them.

The Trump Ballroom at Mar-a-Lago before Donald J. Trump held an election night news conference in Palm Beach, Fla., on Tuesday. The candidate has unnerved many Americans with his inflammatory oratory and radical-sounding proposals.

America has lived with Mr. Trump and Mrs. Clinton, in a remarkably intimate fashion, for decades, processing their controversies, achievements and setbacks, from impeachment to marital breakdowns, Senate victories to flashy skyscraper openings. Voters’ impressions of them, with few exceptions, are largely formed and fixed. According to Gallup, 53 percent of Americans have an unfavorable opinion of Mrs. Clinton and 63 percent have such a view of Mr. Trump.

“You are talking about two universally known figures here,” said David Axelrod, the Democratic strategist and former adviser in the Obama White House. “The strong feeling that each generates is unusual.”

The negative perceptions will be difficult to overcome.

Fewer than half of Republican voters across five states on Tuesday said Mr. Trump was honest and trustworthy. Even in the states where he won, a majority of voters do not view him as truthful.

And while majorities of Democratic voters viewed Mrs. Clinton as honest and trustworthy, she finished second to Mr. Sanders among those who said honesty mattered most in their decision.

That reality is forcing the Trump and Clinton campaigns to prepare for all-out warfare against each other, an improbably brutal dynamic for a pair of New Yorkers whose paths have crossed, repeatedly, for years — even on the way down the wedding aisle. (Mrs. Clinton and her husband, former President Bill Clinton, attended Mr. Trump’s third wedding, in 2005.)

They are devising appeals that are as much arguments that their all-but-certain opponent would be disastrous for the nation as they are messages trumpeting their own virtues or character.

Aides to both predict that a Clinton-Trump contest would be an ugly and unrelenting slugfest, as she pounces on his business practices and personal integrity, portraying him as unscrupulous robber baron, and he lacerates her over ethical lapses and sudden riches, painting her as a conniving abuser of power certain to be indicted in a federal investigation.

There is, both sides concede, plenty of material to mine, stretching back to 1980s Arkansas (for her) and 1970s New York (for him).

Voters are strikingly familiar with the candidates’ biographical vulnerabilities and political liabilities, interviews show, and they express disapproval in vivid, sweeping terms.

Kent Moore, 51, a Democrat from Charlotte, N.C., does not simply dislike Mrs. Clinton. He doubts her basic values.“She has no moral center,” Mr. Moore said.

He ticks off past sins: She favored free trade agreements that have killed American jobs, he said, and she supported the misbegotten 2003 war in Iraq. How, he wondered, could she beat Mr. Trump with a record like that?

Even those who vote for Mrs. Clinton harbor reservations. Renee White, 31, a Democrat in Youngstown, Ohio, is not entirely convinced that Mrs. Clinton, her choice in Tuesday’s primary, cares about people like her, she said. “A lot of people,” she said, “just don’t trust her at all.”

The views of Mr. Trump from Republicans are almost equally uncharitable and unwavering.

“Too crude and rude,” is how Nikki Heath, 59, a graphic artist from the Columbus, Ohio, area put it. She supports the state’s low-key, genial governor, John Kasich. She has written off Mr. Trump and his antics as “an embarrassment.”

The distaste is so strong that voters speak of a radical transformation (or personality transplant) required for them to consider backing Mr. Trump.

“He’s going to have to be completely different,” said Steve Rogers, an engineer in Ohio who will try to hold his nose and back him if he becomes the nominee.

Those dim assessments are not isolated, which is why the commanding tallies that Mr. Trump and Mrs. Clinton have collected are pushing both parties into uncharted waters. Should they clinch the nomination, it would represent the first time in at least a quarter-century that majorities of Americans held negative views of both the Democratic and Republican candidates at the same time.

The highest unfavorability rating for any nominee or front-runner was 57 percent, for the elder George Bush, in October 1992, as he emerged from a difficult first term in the White House. But his Democratic rival, Mr. Clinton, was widely liked: Just 38 percent viewed him unfavorably, according to Gallup.

The unpopularity of Mr. Trump and Mrs. Clinton is prompting Republicans and Democrats to weigh unusual considerations at the ballot box.

Lowell P. Weicker Jr., who sought the Republican nomination for president in 1980 and served as an independent governor of Connecticut in the 1990s, said he held Mrs. Clinton in low regard. But he holds Mr. Trump in even greater contempt. “I don’t like her,” Mr. Weicker said, “but I am sure going to vote for her over Trump.”

Reporting was contributed by Thomas Kaplan, Yamiche Alcindor, Patrick Healy and Giovanni Russonello.

  

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229. "Smh.. truly a lesser of 2 evils"
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245. "Dude we have been saying this for months. LOL. "
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232. "RE: The two most disliked front-runners in modern US history?"
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So....who you got? Trump?

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242. "The point is that their mutual unpopularity is historic "
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Obviously, she is the lesser evil (although not by as much as some people claim, especially on foreign policy). But it says a lot that their favorability ratings are the lowest of any two front-runners in modern U.S. history.

  

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244. "High Unfavorabilities isn't really a dealbreaker for me. "
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If you are talking about a revolution or bringing about great change (not saying Hillary would), you are probably going to be disliked by a huge swath of the population.


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267. "Hill v. Trump will be a referendum on who voters trust less"
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Whether people agree with him or not, most people view Sanders as honest and principled. With Hillary and Trump, most people don't, because they have tried to have it both ways on issues after issue. The only question is whether fear of Trump will lead enough people to hold their noses and vote for Hillary.

  

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269. "RE: Hill v. Trump will be a referendum on who voters trust less"
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Again...this is wishful thinking on your part....

It's all about voting demographics and each parties national campaign machine....That's the way it has always been....

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273. "this is most certainly not the way it has always been. "
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this is essentially the partisan version of brinksmanship.

  

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274. "RE: this is most certainly not the way it has always been. "
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>this is essentially the partisan version of brinksmanship.

In my lifetime the political machine matters...If half of your own party is looking at you side ways (Trump) that's a problem....

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275. "RE: this is most certainly not the way it has always been. "
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>...If half of your
>own party is looking at you side ways (Hillary) that's a
>problem....

  

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250. "RE: The point is that their mutual unpopularity is historic "
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Doesn't matter....The only thing u need to know is 3 out of 4 Dems have a favorable view of Clinton....

Trump? He has trouble WITHIN HIS OWN PARTY...He can't even get half of the Republicans to say they would vote for him in the general during the exit polls...

Here's a dose of reality from The Hill:

"Thirty-seven percent of Republican primary voters say they would consider a third-party candidate if faced with a general election matchup between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, according to an NBC News exit poll on Tuesday...."

If you don't want to vote for Clinton, that's cool....But acting like she doesn't have the upper hand against Trump with all the dysfunction happening in the Republican party (another fact: 8 out of 10 Latinos have a negative view of Trump...The worst figure in recorded poll history) is doing too much....

Hillary Clinton is far from perfect...But you don;t have to be perfect to win elections...





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235. "Clinton wins in a clean sweep....."
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I'm more surprised that she beat Sanders in Missouri....This is state that is as damn near conservative as Mississippi.....I thought u would see a lot of the Right Wing H. Clinton machine hate...But she pulled it off....Impressive....

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253. "Isn't Clinton winning ALLLLL the conservative states though?"
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254. "RE: Isn't Clinton winning ALLLLL the conservative states though?"
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Yep....But the conservative states with high black voter turnout.....

Missouri is different in that the white population plays a overwhelming role in primary elections....The thought was whites would tip the scale for Bernie vs. Clinton just on GP (that legendary Right Wing Clinton hate mixed with the disillusioned working class whites fuming over manufacturing jobs being shipped and wages going down...)...

Bernie had Missouri penciled in....But it did;t work out that way...

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258. "I was surprised when I went to a Church function back home in VA"
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And all the old black people were talking about they couldn't wait to vote for Hillary. I have no idea where that comes from other than familiarity and Anti-Trump. I also got a sense they had no idea who Bernie Sanders was.


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262. "RE: I was surprised when I went to a Church function back home in VA"
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>And all the old black people were talking about they couldn't
>wait to vote for Hillary. I have no idea where that comes from
>other than familiarity and Anti-Trump. I also got a sense
>they had no idea who Bernie Sanders was.


Hlldawg was in Obama's cabinet....Black folks take that into account. And she has a name recognition....Even with that whole Crime Bill debacle of the '90's, older blacks remember how the job market opened up....A good number of black people joined the middle class during B. Clinton's run...

Add Trump cozying up to White Supremacists, it is what it is..

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277. "I'm surprised you were surprised"
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cause there is nothing surprising about old black church goers voting for Hillary.

You must live in a bubble or you are trolling right now.

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263. "Missouri has been a "swing state" forever, Dem. governor and senator..."
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>I'm more surprised that she beat Sanders in Missouri....This
>is state that is as damn near conservative as
>Mississippi.....I thought u would see a lot of the Right Wing
>H. Clinton machine hate...But she pulled it
>off....Impressive....


the population centers around St Louis to the east and Kansas City to the west are always liberal, the rest of the rural areas of the state are conservation except for Boone county in the center where the university of Missouri is.

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268. "RE: Missouri has been a &quot;swing state&quot; forever, Dem. governor a..."
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>>I'm more surprised that she beat Sanders in
>Missouri....This
>>is state that is as damn near conservative as
>>Mississippi.....I thought u would see a lot of the Right
>Wing
>>H. Clinton machine hate...But she pulled it
>>off....Impressive....
>
>
>the population centers around St Louis to the east and Kansas
>City to the west are always liberal, the rest of the rural
>areas of the state are conservation except for Boone county in
>the center where the university of Missouri is.


It's those Conservative rural areas mixed with the state's swing state liberal streak that had me thinking that Clinton was cooked food...

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284. "I think the Dems that ARE in the rural areas are likely older folks and...."
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I think they're likely to favor Hillary because that is who they know and that's how she pulled it out late.

I'm hearing recounts may be possible on both sides.

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237. "So Trump got 27% of the latino vote in Florida."
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And 18% of the Cuban vote. He lost to Rubio on both counts and beat Cruz on both counts.

I kinda had my eye on this number. Not sure how to feel about it. It certainly could have been worse. And shows that it was his worst demographic in Florida by far.

Alot at play.....Latino Repubs obviously have an anti-Castro agenda. Trump didn't play up to that AT ALL. Claiming they should re-instill trade with Cuba. So who are these 27% that:

1. Didn't vote for either of the 2 Hispanic conservative Alternatives (one representing the establishment, one not. Also relevant is that one of them is already a popular senator in Florida)

2. Overlooked Trump's advocacy for relations to Cuba

3. Overlooked Trump's racist comments

  

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240. "RE: So Trump got 27% of the latino vote in Florida."
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Cubans = Republicans....

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248. "Well I find the numbers kinda promising."
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They seem to support your analysis/predictions moreso than mine. It's dominating CNN right now. It is clear that the latino vote is the ONLY demographic that Trump struggled with and not only in Florida.

One thing that caused me to soften my stance on the minority vote issue......I contend that Trump protests will be VERY important going forward. Some have claimed they're useless....some have claimed they will only help Trump.

I disagree.

This is gonna be a narrative war. 'Trump is a racist' VS 'Make america great again'. I don't think Hillary will win that war. But protesters might. The uninformed masses (of all races) are not going to watch debates, listen to pundits or read the Washington Post or New York Times. But they will walk past newstands and surf the internet. The images of racially charged protests and disputes has the potential to drown out 'make America great again' in the hearts and minds. Especially those of hispanics and blacks.

  

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252. "RE: Well I find the numbers kinda promising."
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Don't....That's Florida during Republican primaries...Older Cuban voters are staunch Republicans....The new generation? Not so much...

When the generals come though? That Latino vote will tip heavily Clinton's way...Also, Trump got beat with the minority vote in Florida...He beat Rubio because Lil Marco was hugely unpopular in Florida....

It's all good homie....Trump will def. make a fight out of it...But Latino's nationwide are going to give him the finger in the general (8 out of 10 nationally....Official number....)...

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266. "The Puerto Rican population is booming in Florida"
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They're not going to have the connections & hang-ups over Cuba. And they're not gonna have immigration issues like Mexicans (or other Central & South Americans) because they're already citizens. In fact, they may even fall in Trump's camp with regard to immigration because they see Mexicans as competitors.

  

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279. "RE: So Trump got 27% of the GOP latino vote in Florida."
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Fixed it for you.

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241. "for a minute I thought Bernie was going to pull out Missouri"
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249. "Bernie Could be the John the Baptist of Politics"
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He could be the one you send in first to get the crowd ready.

If his movement is real, it is really at an infancy stage. He could lay the groundwork for a grass root movement to radically change Washington.

I predict that there will be a Bernie 2.0 that emerges eventually. A young politician, with the right background (military, business or kick ass public service) who will present the same case that Bernie has presented without it coming from a 74 year old Brooklyn born Socialist representing Vermont.

But more importantly there needs to be an army of people thinking like Bernie running for all sorts of offices from the top to the bottom. That would be something to get excited about.


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259. "He put up a good fight"
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unfortunately I feel like we are about to take a step back due with Hilldawg but maybe...maybe the Dems get serious about these midterms.

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260. "Dems will still struggle in the Midterms because"
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of successful Republican gerrymandering and the Dem youth are too apathetic.

For some reason, getting them to vote for their local US Senator or Assemblyman in an off Presidential year doesn't compute to them as being apart of the whole process of keeping the progressive agenda intact.

And some of the state districts that favored Dems have been redistricted over the years by the overwhelmingly Republican Governor advantage in the country.

Its really sad and it needs to be fixed and i have no idea how it can be done with those odds.

  

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265. "yeah the thing is a lot of folks are just NOW learning about Bernie and...."
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who he is and what he stands for. Hillary, baggage an all is way more familiar and it makes her an easier choice for a lot of people, especially those who voted for her husband.

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288. "You've just described Tulsi Gabbard. She's a star."
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Unbelievable guts to relinquish her prestigious position as Assoc. Chair of the DNC and to back the Sanders campaign for all the right reasons.

She's exactly what the Progressive base needs.

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289. "tulsi gabbard's blessing and curse is she's in hawaii"
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to a certain extent she's insulated enough to be as much of a straight shooter as she wants to be.

but the truth is that she's in party machine territory and stuck in the house. which is another reason for her to not be satisfied with the current dnc. oceans would have to part for her even to get a crack at the senate.

  

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290. "She's a star for sure. "
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I would have liked to see her take the reigns of Chair, but it looks like that's over for now.

wonder how much of her Schultz's beef with her had to do with seeing Gabbard as a threat to her spot

  

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292. "I assumed her beef was with the DNC bias against Bern "
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DWS didn't need a threat for her chair to be in jeopardy

We all saw the shielding of HRC w/the debate schedule

Wasn't the DNC petitioned to add more debates

+her complete guffaw attempting to explain the necessity of super delegates

The Tulsi story broke live on a Sunday morning MTP broadcast and I haven't heard it mentioned since

i.e. illustrates what I assumed was her reason for resigning = bias.

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296. "it's all those things"
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i'm just kind of speculating on DWS feeling Gabbard as a serious threat to her spot

I've despised DWS ever since the 08 primary back when she was shitting all over Obama as horribly unqualified, before she secretly reached out to him trying to get on the squad once she realized Hillary was gonna lose. it's just politics and all, but the DNC can do better than her. There's a politico piece about a year or so back talking about how Obama's come close to replacing her already a couple times. She's done a pretty dogshit job as chair.

  

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300. "RE: it's all those things"
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>i'm just kind of speculating on DWS feeling Gabbard as a
>serious threat to her spot

Hopefully DWS is in the winter of her tenure as a leader within the DNC - but she's long-embedded in the establishment (was on Clinton's '08 team) and has tremendous support.

But she's getting a very viable challenge in Tim Canova in Florida:

https://www.facebook.com/TimCanovaForCongress/

>I've despised DWS ever since the 08 primary back when she was
>shitting all over Obama as horribly unqualified, before she
>secretly reached out to him trying to get on the squad once
>she realized Hillary was gonna lose. it's just politics and
>all, but the DNC can do better than her. There's a politico
>piece about a year or so back talking about how Obama's come
>close to replacing her already a couple times. She's done a
>pretty dogshit job as chair.

She's been atrocious - absolutely zero integrity and the fact that she's the chair of the DNC (a position which mandates neutrality) is absurd, being that everyone in the known universe knows her bias for Clinton.


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299. "you gonna be ok?"
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264. "LOL at Obama revealing SC nominee right after Trump ties up nomination. "
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And he's a not-so-young moderate.

The GOP leadership is reading up on game theory right now.

  

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276. "Jim Boehner backs Paul Ryan if the convention is brokered"
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the GOP is a mess. It really is the party of NO.

No gotdamn sense

They have no code... this is why deficits rise faster and the country went to shit. They only care about themselves.

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281. "Trump loses delegates because their names are too foreign for his voters"
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Haha. It's only a few. But still, funny and fitting.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-voters-aversion-to-foreign-sounding-names-cost-him-delegates/

  

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283. "Rubio said him being president is not God's plan"
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285. "Yall see this doomsday scenario where Romney becomes Pres?"
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https://medium.com/soapbox-dc/how-paul-ryan-will-pick-our-next-president-and-his-name-shall-be-mitt-58233ea612fc#.vpten4fpi

I am pretty sure that will lead to a civil war.


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286. "Why would Mitt want to subject himself to another L?"
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I could understand if the strategy is to throw the election to avoid what they feel is Trump destroying the party, then regroup for 2020, but if they really think they can win this way, the republican establishment is even more delusional than i thought.


  

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287. "this strategy also relies on the house to pick mitt romney. fucking lol...."
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it would rip up the party even further and take another branch of government down with it.

and convince me they wouldn't go with trump in the long run anyway.

  

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291. "Ya know, after all that's happened, it's not inconceivable. "
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They really are talking about running a "true conservative" in a third party. Every step in the scenario seems possible (except maybe the candidate being Mitt).

That's a REALLY dangerous road, though. I hope they would understand that.

One interesting issue: they'd need a quorum of 2/3 of the states to hold the house vote. Could the blue states just refuse to show up? What the hell would happen then?

Everybody could justify their actions to their own voter base, horrifying as it would seem to everyone else. It literally seems like a path that would lead to civil war.

  

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293. "LOL, now Bernie's saying he could win by taking the superdelegates."
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In an interview with Rachel Maddow last night, he said even if he couldn't take a lead on pledged delegates, he could make an argument on momentum and electability (mentioning the usual misleading polls) to pull a majority of superdelegates to make up the difference.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/sanders-hopes-lure-superdelegates-electability-argument

Rachel even pushed him to confirm specifically that this would be his plan even if he didn't win the pledged delegates.

Dunno what happened to the claims that the superdelegate system is unfair and undemocratic.

  

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294. "RE: LOL, now Bernie's saying he could win by taking the superdelegates."
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>Dunno what happened to the claims that the superdelegate
>system is unfair and undemocratic.


What happened? He's a politician like all the rest...lol

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297. "lose with grace Bernie"
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298. ":("
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301. "It's not as if SuperDelegates haven't jumped ship before"
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So it's not exactly so far-fetched of an idea.

Clinton has 1132 delegates to Sanders - who has 818 (not factoring in supers). She has 467 Supers to Bernie's 26. If you flipped the Super Delegate distribution Bernie would be leading in the overall delegate count - and that's reason enough for him to stay in the race, particularly when you consider that we're just at the half-way mark - and a significant part of the remaining electoral map actually favors him.

As for electability - I'm glad people have conceded that they were wrong about Bernie having poor electability in *this* General election. While polls certainly don't mean everything, they also don't mean nothing and all of the polls have Sanders performing better than Clinton at this stage in a general. You don't have to put much stock into that - but what you cannot credibly say is that "I'm voting for Clinton because she'll perform better than Sanders in a General Election vs. Trump." There's no evidence to corroborate that claim.

  

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302. "Wow."
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On all points.

  

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304. "Politifact largely disagrees with your claim, unsurprisingly "
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http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/mar/08/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-says-he-consistently-beats-donald-t/

Your precious FiveThirtyEight is quoted in there - which I know you'll enjoy.

But given that the Republican Race is in such a mess - Clinton should welcome Sanders staying in the race. She is an infinitely better/sharper candidate having had to go up against a very formidable challenger in a competitive primary.

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306. "Did you even take the time to glance at the writeup?"
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They say, outright, exactly what I've been saying: that the NUMBERS are right, but the numbers don't tell you what Bernie claims they tell you. They weren't able to dig up anybody to dispute the fact that Bernie's negatives would be guaranteed to rise in a general election. They weren't able to find anybody to dispute the fact that there's no statistical correlation in the past data on this. They weren't able to dig up anyone to dispute the fact that these polls don't even try to model general election turnout (which is historically dismal among the groups Sanders is winning).

Why they went with "mostly true", immediately after explaining why it's mostly false, is a mystery. But PolitiFact doesn't really have a very good track record with this sort of thing.

  

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307. "yes - particularly where they say Bernie's claim is "mostly true""
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>Why they went with "mostly true", immediately after explaining
>why it's mostly false, is a mystery. But PolitiFact doesn't
>really have a very good track record with this sort of thing.

Yea - they only won the Pulitzer Prize for their reporting on the 2008 election. Or - as you would say - "not a very good track record."

K.

Here, they are simply verifying what the available data suggests. Your FiveThirtyEight claim that these polls aren't very reliable was mentioned - but they also made the point that these polls can't be wholly ignored (which is what you're doing).

So what they rated as "mostly true" was Bernie pointing to the available data that he outperforms Clinton in a general election. Why? Because it is "mostly true."

But again - nobody should take this as gospel - but to *still* obnoxiously claim that "Bernie isn't electable" is simply out-of-step with what's happening in this electoral cycle.


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309. "RE: yes - particularly where they say Bernie's claim is "mostly true""
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>>Why they went with "mostly true", immediately after
>explaining
>>why it's mostly false, is a mystery. But PolitiFact doesn't
>>really have a very good track record with this sort of
>thing.
>
>Yea - they only won the Pulitzer Prize for their reporting on
>the 2008 election.

Yea - they also scored the undeniable fact that House Republicans in 2011 voted to end Medicare as the "lie of the year." Really, not a very good track record. They have a long and ugly history of false balance.

>Here, they are simply verifying what the available data
>suggests. Your FiveThirtyEight claim that these polls aren't
>very reliable was mentioned

It's not just a FiveThirtyEight claim. They're just the only place that writes about polls for a mass audience, so they're the only ones who wrote anything up in detail. The issues, though, are well understood to anybody who knows anything about polling or even basic statistics.

>- but they also made the point
>that these polls can't be wholly ignored (which is what you're
>doing).

Funny, considering that they never said these polls can't be wholly ignored, and made a very thorough case that they SHOULD be wholly ignored. In fact, their main source of information was a blog post entitled "A Year Out, Ignore General Election Polls."

I honestly read through the writeup two times to see if I missed the "that said..." or "to be sure, these polls can't be wholly ignored" clause, but I'm pretty sure it isn't there. They make a pretty clear case.

>So what they rated as "mostly true" was Bernie pointing to the
>available data that he outperforms Clinton in a general
>election. Why? Because it is "mostly true."

It's mostly true that those are the numbers. It's completely false that those numbers mean what you think they mean.

>But again - nobody should take this as gospel

Way to be evenhanded. Thank you, I will not take your completely false claim as gospel.

>- but to *still*
>obnoxiously claim that "Bernie isn't electable" is simply
>out-of-step with what's happening in this electoral cycle.

Bernie Sanders is not electable. And given the arguments laid out in this article that you posted, these head-to-head matchups, corrected for these unmodeled factors, make an extremely clear case for the fact that he's not electable.

  

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310. "I'm getting a special kick out of the "scientist" ignoring the data"
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I hope this continues as long as possible.

I'm having lots of fun.

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311. "Numbers don't always constitute data."
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If you had even a high-schooler's understanding of statistics, you'd understand that.

The best explanation I can give for PolitiFact saying "mostly true" immediately after explaining that it's mostly false, is that they suffer from exactly the same innumeracy as you do. They're NUMBERS! They must mean SOMETHING!

How about this one: More people have voted for Donald Trump so far than have voted for Bernie Sanders. Does that constitute "data" that Sanders would lose to Trump? By YOUR standards, it would seem so. It's a number after all.

  

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314. "Oh look, stravinskian's condescendingly drenched in nihilism again"
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yet still manages to hurl sophomoric, basic insults.

Did I mention I'm having fun?

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315. "So once again, you refuse to admit what the numbers actually mean,"
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and then you accuse ME of nihilism.

I'm not convinced that you know what that word means. But maybe I shouldn't say that, for fear of being accused of insulting you.

  

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317. "You refuse to acknowledge what the rest of political scientists accept"
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because it hurts your feelings and your single-minded FiveThirtyEight frame of mind when it comes to politics.

Have a good weekend Stravy.


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318. "Find a SINGLE political scientist who claims those numbers mean"
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what you're taking them to mean.

This is not controversial, this is not subtle. Your interpretation is wrong, and hard as it may be for you to accept, when Bernie makes the argument he does with these numbers, he is lying.

  

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312. "i agree with this"
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>But given that the Republican Race is in such a mess - Clinton
>should welcome Sanders staying in the race. She is an
>infinitely better/sharper candidate having had to go up
>against a very formidable challenger in a competitive
>primary.

He's kept her on her toes, he's def pushed her to at least represent as further left then she would be if she was just running against O'Malley, and Webb. Dems tend to play that "hey i'm a real american too!"/"Hey I'm not a big fan of Obama either!" game. We saw how well that worked out for them in the midterms

Plus he should give people an opportunity to vote for him, other than writing his name in.

  

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305. "RE: It's not as if SuperDelegates haven't jumped ship before"
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>As for electability - I'm glad people have conceded that they
>were wrong about Bernie having poor electability in *this*
>General election. While polls certainly don't mean
>everything, they also don't mean nothing and all of the polls
>have Sanders performing better than Clinton at this stage in a
>general. You don't have to put much stock into that - but
>what you cannot credibly say is that "I'm voting for Clinton
>because she'll perform better than Sanders in a General
>Election vs. Trump." There's no evidence to corroborate that
>claim.

I don't think people are going by any data as proof that Clinton would be a better general candidate than Bernie....I think they are going by 1)The Republican party's reaction to Clinton's and Bernie's candidacy.....And 2) how the Repugs would frame Bernie's Democratic Socialist tag....

When you see Repugs take it easy on Bernie in this primary and go all in on stopping Clinton, that should tell you everything....I've seen Conservative-backed articles (One from Dennis Miller even) about how Bernie is getting a raw deal because of super delegates and how the Democrats should stand up to their bullying party....It's LOL worthy stuff....And it's kind of brilliant....

Essentially, they want Bernie in the general because they have already thrown everything at Clinton....No matter what your views are of her, she has taken it on the chin and is still standing...

Bernie = fresh meat.

I keep telling my friends that are Bernie supporters, outside of OUR liberal bubble, Bernie the "socialist" will be a tough pill to swallow in the American general election because most Americans are not that studied when it comes to socialism. They think it's Communism....

Once the Republican machine starts running that '80s interview with Bernie praising the Castro regime and Communism it will be a wrap...

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308. "That's fair. "
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>I don't think people are going by any data as proof that
>Clinton would be a better general candidate than Bernie....I
>think they are going by 1)The Republican party's reaction to
>Clinton's and Bernie's candidacy.....And 2) how the Repugs
>would frame Bernie's Democratic Socialist tag....

^That's an honest assessment. As long as you admit you aren't pointing to the data or credible evidence to substantiate the claim that Clinton is the superior general election candidate - then the debate can certainly be had openly and honestly.

And I do think there's a fair point made here:

>When you see Repugs take it easy on Bernie in this primary and
>go all in on stopping Clinton, that should tell you
>everything....I've seen Conservative-backed articles (One from
>Dennis Miller even) about how Bernie is getting a raw deal
>because of super delegates and how the Democrats should stand
>up to their bullying party....It's LOL worthy stuff....And
>it's kind of brilliant....
>
>Essentially, they want Bernie in the general because they have
>already thrown everything at Clinton....No matter what your
>views are of her, she has taken it on the chin and is still
>standing...

True - but there's also another way to look at this: Clinton has been the presumptive nominee for several years now - so they've had years to anticipate their attacks, develop their superpacs, and plan their strategy on how to beat Clinton. They haven't made that kind of preparation for Sanders - and I'm not sure the "he's a socialist, c'mon!' argument is a sound singular strategy. Clinton has tried to go that route (albeit more softly) - and it hasn't exactly worked extraordinarily well - particularly when Sanders is the one who is attracting the Independent voters, still.


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313. "lmao it's over fam. let it go."
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303. "Primary Turnout Means Nothing For The General Election"
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http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/primary-turnout-means-nothing-for-the-general-election/

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316. "The Worst of All Worlds (swipe)"
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http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/03/clinton-vs-trump-the-worst-of-all-worlds/474024/

The Worst of All Worlds

What could be worse for a creaky, cancerous political system than a match between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump?

RON FOURNIER MAR 16, 2016

If you had asked me four years ago to concoct the most dispiriting and debilitating 2016 presidential campaign, I might have said, “Start with a political family; find a scandal-scarred creature of Washington addicted to 20th-century identity politics.”

“Now find a vacuous outsider; somebody who reflects the worst of modern politics and culture. A celebrity would be perfect. Better yet, a reality star who is famous for being famous, a social media whore, a boor, a bully who traffics in old hates via new technologies.”

I might have picked Hillary Clinton vs. Donald Trump. What could be worse for a creaky, cancerous political system than what the Democratic and Republican parties are brewing up? Nothing really. This is as bad as it gets.

In contests Tuesday that put Clinton and Trump on the verge of a general-election face-off, voters across the spectrum signaled displeasure with the duopoly’s work. Among GOP voters, 37 percent said they would consider a third-party candidate if faced with a Trump vs. Clinton matchup. Democratic voters found socialist Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont to be more trustworthy than their likely nominee.

More broadly, 53 percent of Americans disapprove of Clinton, according to Gallup, and 63 percent have a negative opinion of Trump. Most voters don’t find either candidate to be particularly honest.

As Michael Barbaro wrote for The New York Times, “Should they clinch the nomination, it would represent the first time in at least a quarter-century that majorities of Americans held negative views of both the Democratic and Republican candidates at the same time.”

"Both major parties must now confront the depth of skepticism, resistance and distaste for their front-runners, a sentiment that would profoundly shape a potential general election showdown between Mr. Trump and Mrs. Clinton.

They are devising appeals that are as much arguments that their all-but-certain opponent would be disastrous for the nation as they are messages trumpeting their own virtues or character.

Aides to both predict that a Clinton-Trump contest would be an ugly and unrelenting slugfest, as she pounces on his business practices and personal integrity, portraying him as unscrupulous robber baron, and he lacerates her over ethical lapses and sudden riches, painting her as a conniving abuser of power certain to be indicted in a federal investigation.

There is, both sides concede, plenty of material to mine, stretching back to 1980s Arkansas (for her) and 1970s New York (for him)."

This is not to suggest equivalence: The candidates are not equally revolting. But for millions of voters, today begins a process driven by their aspersions toward one candidate rather than their aspirations for another—the acceleration of a grim trend that political scientists call “negative partisanship.”

“Come November,” voter Ed O’Malley tweeted me in response to Barbaro’s story, “I’ll vote for one or the other then go outside and throw up.”

What about people like him who claim to hate their choices and yet consistently vote Democrat or Republican? Imagine a doctor telling you that because of some gnarly disease, he had to cut off one of your arms. You get to choose which one. While your decision would be easy—“I’m right-handed, Doc. Cut off my left arm”—you wouldn’t be happy with your choices.

My friend Matthew Dowd, a former political consultant who now works for ABC News, said Tuesday’s results show just how “corrupt and broken” the political system has become. Even if the most experienced and, arguably, most qualified candidate wins in November, Dowd said via email: “Hillary won’t be able to govern, and the GOP is past its expiration date. Democrats are closing in on theirs.”

A column like this will trigger torrents of manufactured outrage and exaggerations. From the left: How dare you compare Clinton to that bigoted, bullying empty suit of a man? And from the right: ARE YOU NUTS? She’s not qualified! She’d destroy America!

Together, blindly loyal and satisfied partisans represent a fraction of the electorate. Millions of other Americans will suffer through another ugly campaign before making two decisions.

First: Do I even bother to vote?

For those who do cast a ballot, there is the even sadder choice: Which candidate do I loathe the least?

  

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