you think it would lead to improved performance? why? why not?

Poll result (22 votes) yeah, it probably would (1 votes) Vote nah, that shit's a terrible idea (18 votes) Vote the concept of grades is flawed. it's about learning, not earning a letter (3 votes) Vote

in places where students aren't motivated already, they aren't shamed by doing poorly and pretty every knows who is doing well and who isn't by how you participate in class.

In setting where there is already high motivation, there is already an unhealthy atmosphere of competition..posting publicly would only cause more anxiety.

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I doubt the students at Ernie Hudson Sr High would give a fuck.

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Overachievers are gonna ball out anyway so it doesn't make a difference...although formally making it a 'competition' might not be healthy for all kids

Underachieving individuals aren't suddenly going to feel the urge to compete simply because the grades are public; kids know who the 'smart' kids are no matter how well or bad they score and it's not like they are going to get that urge now.

And the kids who are trying and struggling all its gonna do is make them feel like more shit.

there are kids that would want to show off the grades. and some that would actually be embarrassed enough to get better, but it may not be worth it others.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

or complain, or accept their low achievement status.

Not everyone is built for that pressure, and the ones that are usually step up to the plate and perform anyway (competitive people rise to a challenge, the rest become spectators).

its not posting students grades
the curriculum
location
culture
education
tax bracket
the teachers, principals, or higher administration

if parents got involved and gave a fuck as much as they do sports and other extra curricular activities you could move mountains

the kids of parents that get it excel

while the focus stays on everything except the parents

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i work in a school/system where parents really dgaf and it is painfully obvious in the students' academic performance and test scores. part of my role here is to increase that parental involvement, but man it's a tough row to hoe. they simply don't seem to care, and it's sad.

That "their parents don't care" arugment is very striking in its racial connotations. The parents do care. They just don't care in the way you think they should.

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i see it everyday

in white AND black
moreso black
and?

And that's so nice how you look at causes is stead of symptoms.

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What comes first the tax bracket or the bad parenting?

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but im not interested in the WHY'S
as much as i am solutions

but thats all alot of us want to talk about
and talk about ONLY

its timeout for the why's
we know already
the why's have turned into a crutch we refuse to discard so we can better ourselves

sure, you can argue systematic racism
and how it prevents a parent from knowing better
but despite those very same obstacles individuals manage to overcome them anyway
while most lay on the floor wallowing in self pity

The parent's lack of involvement is a symptom of that

Yes there are outliers and super-parents, but I think poverty correlates across racial lines this issue in schools.

And the OP is BS, grade-shaming won't work long term. Short term, it could depending on the students. Long term it could have negative, unintended outcomes.


I'm a teacher by the way. At one of the poorest middle schools in my city.

Grades do matter, but these kids and their parents are dealing with so much shit That I've learned to never take their actions personally.

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>The parent's lack of involvement is a symptom of that

symptom = why

i stated my position on this but i guess you needed to type it out anyway

its timeout for the why's


>Yes there are outliers and super-parents, but I think poverty
>correlates across racial lines this issue in schools.

i never brought up race, so why are you?

no one said this is a blacks only problem.

being attentive to your childs education is NOT being a super parent, stop the madness

these same lazy ass parents you bleed for
manage very well to be
super parents with football
super parents with dance
super parents with basketball
but when it comes to education its just too much gatdamn work



>And the OP is BS, grade-shaming won't work long term. Short
>term, it could depending on the students. Long term it could
>have negative, unintended outcomes.

uhh, no shit.
which is why i said parents are the answer
and specifically pointed out grades arent the answer

>I'm a teacher by the way. At one of the poorest middle schools
>in my city.

im a parent by the way
who spends 1-2 days every two weeks in my childs classroom where its painfully clear what these parents make time for

im also a product of a poor environment, mine and my wife
so i personally get the up close and intimate details of our (still poor) family's issues with education.
and guess what?
they can make time for football, basketball, and dance, and only look at education when it jepordizes playing time. all while wondering why their kids are behind.

one cousin
husband went to the NBA (briefly)
so of course, everything is
sports, sports, sports, sports, sports
their 2nd grader had 'good grades'
flunked
had to take summer school to pass

oh but he got 'good grades' is all you'd hear
because they werent involved at all unless there was a problem


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>Grades do matter, but these kids and their parents are dealing
>with so much shit That I've learned to never take their
>actions personally.

yeah well
you do that.
you keep crutch propped up for them.

go luck with that.

What a bitch. I sucked (and still suck) at math and felt like a loser but it didn't motivate me to be better at math, just to hate that bitch and math even more.

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But I think it's probably a relatively small minority.

I don't like it.

i still blame hip-hop.

I've met MANY people who've admitted that the only motivation they had of doing things well, was for recognition and/or need to be better than others. Publicly even.

I have a homeschooled daughter who doesn't get grades at all and rocks in many different subjects but only seems to 'try" when in competition with her peers. this could be in part because she doesn't actually get a chance to compete in the normal school sense and have that outlet for that behavior...but even without grading, some people don't mind the more public displays of their abilities whether it be success or failure.

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So nah. Some students grades will go up, but those numbers will most certainly go up as well.

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about what I'm saying before you shake your head.

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look it up yourself.

There are links between poor grades & depression/suicide AND public shaming & depression/suicide.

I hope the next generation sees the folly in it, but they probably won't have a chance at independent thought.

fuck you.

>I hope the next generation sees the folly in it, but they
>probably won't have a chance at independent thought.

the key to happiness is not being rich;
it's doing something arduous and
creating something of value and then
being able to reflect on the fruits of your labor

are "proud: of doing poorly. and those that arent proud of it probably don't deserve to be shamed.

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it's basically portals where teachers post up assignments, due dates, grades, course documents, etc. etc. parents have access as well. students/parents can also email teachers thru it.

last year at my work they posted a list of all the graduating seniors along with their academic accomplishments AND scholarships including how much they were. they posted it around campus i thought that was a great idea. one girl got a full ride on a volleyball scholarship listed at $250k and a boy got a full ride for football D1 around the same amount.

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that's been around.
However, posting accomplishments and scholarships is different than posting grades. achievements are fine.

>it's basically portals where teachers post up assignments,
>due dates, grades, course documents, etc. etc. parents have
>access as well. students/parents can also email teachers thru
>it.
>
>last year at my work they posted a list of all the graduating
>seniors along with their academic accomplishments AND
>scholarships including how much they were. they posted it
>around campus i thought that was a great idea. one girl got a
>full ride on a volleyball scholarship listed at $250k and a
>boy got a full ride for football D1 around the same amount.

Hypothetically: I have a 1st period class of 30 students, and have a poster of all 30 students' names and grades?

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The newspaper and local tv news would have a field day with that shit in metro ATL (or anywhere else).

whats the harm in that? A high, low & median grades would at least let them know where they fit in without exposing the sudent

for having good grades????

Imagine it being bad on both sides. You get clowned for having bad grades, but get insulted for having good grades and being a "nerd" or whatever. Even worse, that means kids will try to cheat off you or make you do their homework. Nah....nope. Nah.

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in much of Africa youre graded based on ur position/rank in class. Meaning, if you hv 30 students in class, ur grade is based on how well you performed vs the other 29 students..

So theoretically u can earn really good grades and still be ranked last in class cus ur grades are added up numerically. that why the alphabet system used here is so laughable..

I came in top 3 a several times, once I was out out of the top 10 and got the flogging of my life

your response doesnt' match the subject.

"soft" cus we're worrying about hurting kids feelings.

>I came in top 3 a several times, once I was out out of the top
>10 and got the flogging of my life

We trying to raise kids with dreams, not cynical assholes(you kids raising future ny'ers are exceptions)

Ishould add, I realize its a different dynamic tho, considering the penchant for suicide, violence etc kids here tend to have, so its understandable not posting the grades

outside of that, fuck they feelings, do better!

... but it's a trap. I'll be here arguing with people all day.

It's an awful idea. Unequivocally. I don't care what school you're in, how you were raised, what country you're from. It's an awful idea for a myriad of reasons.

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but i think the way most institutions handle their grading is so suspect that it might as well not exist.

research clearly documents that grades are proxies for skills like compliance or (uggh) "grit" or ability to manage routines. and as we've become more rigid about testing and grading, many schools have given up and just tried to stay on top of the paperwork. lots of lazy, meaningless assessments.

it would be one thing if these were low information situations, but most schools are working with an overabundance of this kind of data.

now those things grades are proxies for still matter in many contexts...most of our jobs involve compliance and grit and ability to manage our routines. but life isn't just about that, and it's demoralizing for kids.

many skills/talents that really matter don't fit in a traditional grade book. if you want to motivate kids that aren't motivated by the grades they already have, the solution is to tap into those things, not more grades.

Excellent response.

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Maybe do a loyalty card type of program, where every A gets you a punchout on some card for some free stuff.

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