1. "probably have it equally rough all in all but in different areas" In response to Reply # 0
ie black men have it worse in reference to law enforcement/justice system
black women have it worse in corporate America/business.
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
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Thu Feb-25-16 10:23 AM
4. "do they really have it worse? " In response to Reply # 1
maybe it's due to degrees and incarceration but I think there are more Black women in corporate America than Black males...
I guess a Black male could still get further than a Black woman but ionno.
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
6. "outnumbered sure, most receptionist, secretaries, assistants etc tend" In response to Reply # 5
to be female in general.
Plus you factor in that there are more men in blue collar fields than women.
I'm talking moreso about advancement. I think a black male will get promoted before an equally qualified female, as well as be compensated more for doing the same job.
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
7. "RE: outnumbered sure, most receptionist, secretaries, assistants etc ten..." In response to Reply # 6
>I'm talking moreso about advancement. I think a black male >will get promoted before an equally qualified female, as well >as be compensated more for doing the same job.
It was widely said in Harlem and I'm sure in lot's of other places going back to the 90's if not the 60's that the way Black men were oppressed by white society was by society giving Black women lot's of status, jobs, promotion, everything over the Black man in the working world.
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
10. "lol at today's society WANTING to give Black women anything. By and " In response to Reply # 7
> >>I'm talking moreso about advancement. I think a black male >>will get promoted before an equally qualified female, as >well >>as be compensated more for doing the same job. > > >It was widely said in Harlem and I'm sure in lot's of other >places going back to the 90's if not the 60's that the way >Black men were oppressed by white society was by society >giving Black women lot's of status, jobs, promotion, >everything over the Black man in the working world. > >It was said a lot.
large they outwork Black men in America. Conspiratorial plots to destroy the Black family don't hold as much weight now, because that's pretty much already happened. I don't think any extra work needs to go into that area.
12. "I assumed the post was talking about today not history" In response to Reply # 11
in any event, my responses were about today.
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
20. "phew thanks for this" In response to Reply # 10
wondered if some backsliding was going to happen and man that was close!
*exits* ~~~~ When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries. ~~~~ You cannot hate people for their own good.
>to be female in general. > >Plus you factor in that there are more men in blue collar >fields than women. > >I'm talking moreso about advancement. I think a black male >will get promoted before an equally qualified female, as well >as be compensated more for doing the same job.
>>to be female in general. >> >>Plus you factor in that there are more men in blue collar >>fields than women. >> >>I'm talking moreso about advancement. I think a black male >>will get promoted before an equally qualified female, as >well >>as be compensated more for doing the same job. >
theres are hurdles you make those hurdles in my field? advertising
TRUST
being black and male is 'cool'
strangest dynamic of me passing on mad information like i do through social media and etc besides the head nod thing of the few other black people at work i really tend to have a lot of info at my fingertips which i gladly pass on and these dudes appreciate
little do these white dudes know a few have figured it out and looked a bit shocked but once they caught on we've been cool
the rest? i don't exist
so trust that patriarchy supersedes some things once you go white collar ~~~~ When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries. ~~~~ You cannot hate people for their own good.
2. "People used to say the "average" Black woman could" In response to Reply # 0
regularly get low to moderately decent paying jobs
while many "average" Black males were given way less job opportunities.
"Above average" Black people have always been able to get jobs but maybe not promoted. The Black males esp. not promoted even if they were "above average"
Now people don't seem to say that as much as they used to.
On one hand a woman anything is going to have a considerably tougher life then a man.
On the flipside black males have been made public enemy #1 that in most stats (education, health) they are miles behind black women and even when their patriarchy should kick in, specifically with the pay gap, they are basically the same.
now remember hiphop is the supposedly friendly genre to black folk how do you think black women fare if white women are getting this treatment and light skinned damn near white Amber
~~~~ When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries. ~~~~ You cannot hate people for their own good.
~~~~ When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries. ~~~~ You cannot hate people for their own good.
~~~~ When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries. ~~~~ You cannot hate people for their own good.
25. "im glad you didn't bring it to the "whose got it worse&quot..." In response to Reply # 0 Thu Feb-25-16 01:31 PM by _deacon_
bc that tends to drag the convo down into 'oppression olympics' territory.
bg mentioned intersectionality, and i love that word for this issue. we experience oppression in distinct but in some places similar ways.
institutionally, society has it out for Black men more than anyone, i feel. but the amount of sexual violence that Black women endure is astonishing.
and then there is the whole ulta-patriarchal culture that has been instilled in us. the back panther doc touched a little bit on it (there was a lot more to cover though, i was speaking with a woman who was a bp in NC during the 70's, she had some horrible stories about the sexual aggression bp women faced).
i see a bright spot though, i see more younger boys acknowledging gender equality (although you wouldn't notice this from the narritive that is pushed socially).
shit is hard. we have a lot more internal work to do.
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