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"What do y'all make of David Bowie and the 14 year old "Baby Groupie"?"
Wed Jan-13-16 09:52 AM by Buddy_Gilapagos

  

          




I read this and my jaw kind of dropped.

https://www.thrillist.com/entertainment/nation/i-lost-my-virginity-to-david-bowie

I saw Almost Famous, but I've never really heard anything about this scene or the notion of Baby Groupies.

Were rock stars like David Bowie, Iggy Pop, Mick Jagger, Rod Stewart, Alice Cooper, etc. rapist or is it more complicated than that? Were times different?

Yahoo News had an article entitled "The Complicated Sexual History of David Bowie". Is that a pass to frame it like that?

We gonna talk about it or let it lay there?


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star1973.com
Jan 13th 2016
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All I can say, the 70s yo.
Jan 13th 2016
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      RE: All I can say, the 70s yo.
Jan 13th 2016
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      Cheap plentiful drugs and no fatal sexually transmitted diseases!
Jan 13th 2016
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           Looking forward to that 70s Record Label HBO series.
Jan 13th 2016
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why did this news drop yesterday?
Jan 13th 2016
4
Cause everyone is talking about his legacy. Gotta tell the full story.
Jan 13th 2016
5
oh, we waiting until they die now?
Jan 13th 2016
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      What was the last David Bowie article you read before he died?
Jan 13th 2016
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           dude, he had sex with a 13 year old..
Jan 13th 2016
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                probably because she didn't think it was wrong and didn't want him
Jan 13th 2016
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                     and how is that any different than kellz groupie babys?
Jan 13th 2016
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                          somebody involved had a problem with it or else we wouldn't know.
Jan 14th 2016
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it didn't drop yesterday. the date is at the bottom.
Jan 13th 2016
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Yeah I thought it was in poor taste
Jan 13th 2016
6
Yeah I don't get from the article that he was a "traditional sexual pred...
Jan 13th 2016
12
      It's just that its was overt. Lusting after teenage girls never went ou...
Jan 13th 2016
20
R. Kelly goes back to Huff Post Live to tell e'rybody...
Jan 13th 2016
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You know what the difference is.
Jan 13th 2016
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RE: R. Kelly goes back to Huff Post Live to tell e'rybody...
Jan 13th 2016
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Naw dude, it's sleeping with young girls.
Jan 13th 2016
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      Bowie was supplying them with drugs, too
Jan 13th 2016
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      RE: Naw dude, it's sleeping with young girls.
Jan 13th 2016
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      Plain and simple, grown folks having sex with kids...
Jan 13th 2016
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      ^^^^^^^^
Jan 13th 2016
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      RE: Plain and simple, grown folks having sex with kids...
Jan 13th 2016
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           that plus Kellz calls himself 'the Pied Piper of R&B'
Jan 13th 2016
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           RE: that plus Kellz calls himself 'the Pied Piper of R&B'
Jan 13th 2016
49
           So, because the minor expressed having enjoyed it,
Jan 13th 2016
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                that's a mitigating factor, yes.
Jan 13th 2016
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                     ...
Jan 13th 2016
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                          RE: Do we know that none of Kelly's "victims" enjoyed it?
Jan 13th 2016
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                          Did Bowie actively go after that 13 year old?
Jan 13th 2016
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                               RE: Did Bowie actively go after that 13 year old?
Jan 13th 2016
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                                    So, he's a cooler and better pervert than Kellz because he had...
Jan 13th 2016
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                                         yeah, there's levels to the shit.
Jan 13th 2016
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                                         RE: So, he's a cooler and better pervert than Kellz because he had...
Jan 13th 2016
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                                              nah, its still wrong...
Jan 13th 2016
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                          i know that more than one of them sued him.
Jan 13th 2016
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                               I get all that you're saying...
Jan 13th 2016
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                                    anyone with any semblance of nuance
Jan 13th 2016
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           Again, I do not think it at all accurate to say
Jan 13th 2016
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           RE: Again, I do not think it at all accurate to say
Jan 13th 2016
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           Mad? Not at all...
Jan 13th 2016
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                RE: Mad? Not at all...
Jan 13th 2016
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                RE: Mad? Not at all...
Jan 15th 2016
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      Kells was literally going to HS to get girls in the 21st century
Jan 13th 2016
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           RE: Kells was literally going to HS to get girls in the 21st century
Jan 13th 2016
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      i dunno that Bowie had sex w/multiple girls.
Jan 13th 2016
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Word:
Jan 13th 2016
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      One man was a serial rapist of 30 plus women
Jan 13th 2016
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      So it shouldn't matter as much because there was only one victim?
Jan 13th 2016
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           yeah, these are mitigating factors:
Jan 13th 2016
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                his "victim" still talks about it to this day
Jan 13th 2016
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                     ppl are addressing the others too.
Jan 13th 2016
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      Cosby's contribution to culture >>>>>>>> Bowie's contributions.
Jan 13th 2016
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           Where you get this "one alleged occurrence"?
Jan 13th 2016
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           i've read/skimmed more than one article about the issue.
Jan 13th 2016
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                In the very article you listed she also mentions having a 3some
Jan 13th 2016
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                     right on.
Jan 13th 2016
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                          You arguing with the wrong one. I was just pointing out your misstateme...
Jan 13th 2016
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                               i didn't argue.
Jan 13th 2016
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                                    Why are you bringing up BC with me then?
Jan 13th 2016
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                                         i was clarifying the position i'd stated in a previous reply.
Jan 13th 2016
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           Why a pass for Bowie?
Jan 13th 2016
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           Bowie's white though!
Jan 13th 2016
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           *gets in the Drop Squad van*
Jan 13th 2016
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           it's milk of magnesia not milk of magnesium
Jan 13th 2016
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                Shit, you right
Jan 13th 2016
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           RE: Cosby's contribution to culture >>>>>>>> Bowie's contributions.
Jan 13th 2016
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                yup.
Jan 13th 2016
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He's gonna get a pass because he's David Bowie
Jan 13th 2016
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if you white you alright.
Jan 13th 2016
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RE: if you white you alright.
Jan 13th 2016
17
the people you named aren't still making money so nobody cares.
Jan 13th 2016
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RE: the people you named aren't still making money so nobody cares.
Jan 13th 2016
46
      they just did a $10 show at Ballpark Village in STL, lol...
Jan 13th 2016
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           RE: they just did a $10 show at Ballpark Village in STL, lol...
Jan 13th 2016
104
Chuck Berry had to do time, Marvin Gaye had been blackballed
Jan 13th 2016
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      RE: Chuck Berry had to do time, Marvin Gaye had been blackballed
Jan 13th 2016
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           RE: Chuck Berry had to do time, Marvin Gaye had been blackballed
Jan 13th 2016
127
We cool with Marvin Gaye too...
Jan 13th 2016
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      Marvin Gaye is one of the great greats IMO,however he rides down
Jan 13th 2016
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He's lucky there was no social media and no home video recorders.
Jan 13th 2016
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IDK. It seemed part of it was just folks cared less.
Jan 13th 2016
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      Sure.
Jan 13th 2016
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The Mcrib wasn't out then.
Jan 13th 2016
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LMAO
Jan 13th 2016
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That makes ALL the difference
Jan 14th 2016
194
Lot of name dropping in that article
Jan 13th 2016
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if Jerry Lee Lewis,Jimmy Page, white acts get a pass than stop tripping
Jan 13th 2016
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RE: if Jerry Lee Lewis,Jimmy Page, white acts get a pass than stop tripp...
Jan 13th 2016
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      imo this is why Plant declines to tour
Jan 13th 2016
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      RE: if Jerry Lee Lewis,Jimmy Page, white acts get a pass than stop tripp...
Jan 13th 2016
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wasn't a lasting pattern
Jan 13th 2016
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the diff between Kelly & the rest has been competently explained
Jan 13th 2016
81
naw R.Kelly is catching Hate as a Black Man with a bigger reach
Jan 13th 2016
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aww man that aint nobody but Lupe Fuentes
Jan 13th 2016
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Lol
Jan 16th 2016
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Let me put it bluntly, was what DB doing wrong?
Jan 13th 2016
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The actual woman it happened to said she's good.
Jan 13th 2016
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wrong yes...predator no
Jan 13th 2016
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the show was called To Catch a Predator
Jan 13th 2016
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      in that show...
Jan 15th 2016
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Depends
Jan 13th 2016
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^^^The million dollar question
Jan 13th 2016
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hell yeah it was wrong and we all know he did it more than once
Jan 13th 2016
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yeah, it was wrong.
Jan 13th 2016
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      That's a level head response. While we are ranking predators.
Jan 13th 2016
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           Kellz was textbook predator manipulation though
Jan 13th 2016
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           everybody mentioned in the same boat
Jan 13th 2016
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           Yeah I could see placing Kellz closer to Cos and Roman
Jan 13th 2016
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           why do you doubt woody allen
Jan 13th 2016
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                He didn't adopt her.
Jan 13th 2016
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                     well he married her mom and became her step dad
Jan 14th 2016
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                          I am not, repeat, NOT, defending Woody Allen, but...
Jan 14th 2016
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                               Mos Def said it in a song so it had to have happened that way
Jan 14th 2016
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People are funny man. Its why I don't care too much for the social outra...
Jan 13th 2016
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I definitely think this is part of it more than most are willing to admi...
Jan 13th 2016
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yup... people talking about its cool cause she enjoyed it
Jan 13th 2016
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Right.
Jan 13th 2016
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It was only a couple of girls.
Jan 13th 2016
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      and boys....
Jan 13th 2016
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yea, cause statutory is black and white as shit
Jan 13th 2016
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...and i don't think it should be so black/white.
Jan 13th 2016
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      i agree
Jan 13th 2016
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If it was Vanilla Ice everyone would be crucifying him.
Jan 13th 2016
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RE: If it was Vanilla Ice everyone would be crucifying him.
Jan 13th 2016
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you right a certain type of white boy even gets looked differently
Jan 13th 2016
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This.
Jan 13th 2016
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#RealTalk
Jan 13th 2016
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70s is a hell of a drug
Jan 13th 2016
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Kellz.
Jan 13th 2016
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^^Succinct and accurate.
Jan 13th 2016
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your Kellz ate clouds your judgement and Jimmy Page was worse
Jan 13th 2016
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the pleas copped and pretzel twisting is hilarious
Jan 13th 2016
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"It was the 70's" (c) Hannibal Burress
Jan 13th 2016
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this is where first I'd heard of it
Jan 13th 2016
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wow. y'all really like r.kelly and cosby
Jan 13th 2016
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RE: wow. y'all really like r.kelly and cosby
Jan 13th 2016
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i dont think anyone likes Kellz besides mistermaxxx
Jan 13th 2016
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      if Bowie looked Like Suge Knight then turkeys would have him mentally
Jan 13th 2016
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      He's white. Rjcc and Sarah_Bellum would reply to every defending
Jan 14th 2016
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           say my name some more.
Jan 14th 2016
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           the excuses are mind boggling
Jan 14th 2016
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           LOL. Y'all are funny style. And women haters
Jan 14th 2016
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                eeh, i dont see how Kellz isnt in this discussion
Jan 14th 2016
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                Id this was a pure Bowie/underage rape discussion sure
Jan 14th 2016
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                     3/4 of the cosby talk is by cosby haters
Jan 14th 2016
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                          which boys?
Jan 15th 2016
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                Damn bruh, you're just flat out LYING to prove your non-point, LOL
Jan 14th 2016
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                1968 huh. What a fucking timely news clip, lol.
Jan 14th 2016
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                     huh? that doesnt make any damn sense
Jan 14th 2016
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                     Black Celeb, absolutely.
Jan 14th 2016
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                          it was hard to not speak out because Bill and Nina were black
Jan 14th 2016
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                               True.
Jan 14th 2016
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                                    i feel you but once you make bizzillions you are no longer one of us
Jan 14th 2016
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                     A simple "I was wrong" would suffice bruh.
Jan 14th 2016
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                exactly
Jan 15th 2016
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                     Only thing being said is that Bowie should be on the hook too
Jan 17th 2016
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Seriously
Jan 14th 2016
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that or they just dislike US.
Jan 14th 2016
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      THIS
Jan 14th 2016
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      they don't get it
Jan 14th 2016
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      yep
Jan 15th 2016
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      Right
Jan 15th 2016
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      ^^^
Jan 15th 2016
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different day and age...EVERYONE got away with it
Jan 13th 2016
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it ain't changed the music business still Pimping and turning out tricks
Jan 13th 2016
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anyone trying to discredit it being "the 70's" is really ignoring histor...
Jan 13th 2016
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George Washington and the slave owning Presidents
Jan 13th 2016
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exactly
Jan 13th 2016
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and nobody in congress is protesting the dead presidents on the bills
Jan 13th 2016
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George Washington was gay!
Jan 14th 2016
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Still happens in 3rd world countires...
Jan 14th 2016
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pretty much...
Jan 14th 2016
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Jodie Foster,Brooke Shields,Krystie Mchnichols and Linda Blair all turne...
Jan 13th 2016
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Bowie was on that Illuminati tip
Jan 13th 2016
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gay sex was illegal then too...
Jan 13th 2016
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i don't think so. not like this.
Jan 13th 2016
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      Fine. I should have wrote consensual gay sex was illegal.
Jan 13th 2016
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      i get it.
Jan 13th 2016
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      IIRC gay sex had a different age of consent
Jan 14th 2016
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That broad is one of the top 5 famous groupies of all time
Jan 13th 2016
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Nm
Jan 13th 2016
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hmmmm....
Jan 14th 2016
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But it wasn't "too early" and "in poor taste" in the Welsing post, eh?
Jan 14th 2016
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I'm unclear as to your position.
Jan 14th 2016
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RE: I'm unclear as to your position.
Jan 14th 2016
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      I should apologize.
Jan 15th 2016
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           Nah, you good.
Jan 15th 2016
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since I spent the last 12 days covering two of the world's biggest
Jan 14th 2016
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You don't give a shit about any of these women and girls.
Jan 14th 2016
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      chill out bruh, that man has been working hard
Jan 14th 2016
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      Lol...
Jan 14th 2016
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           well the car show is only 2 weeks, but bashing black men is forever!!
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                lmao
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                     this is an interesting exchange.
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                          Nah, just laughing at you, that's all.
Jan 14th 2016
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                               except you guys aren't random
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                                    And that's exactly why this shit is unbelievable coming from you...
Jan 14th 2016
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                                         if you disagree w/ your boy that's between y'all
Jan 14th 2016
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                                              Oh ok
Jan 14th 2016
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                                              lmao... rjcc doing everything but shitting on Bowie
Jan 14th 2016
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                                                   y'all go first, I'm right behind you.
Jan 14th 2016
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                                              http://www.wordofdan.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/ty3333.jpg
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      oh, so you're just jealous of what you perceive
Jan 14th 2016
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           No, I can actually see you're a terrible person.
Jan 14th 2016
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                I'm just amazed you think this is the easiest way to get internet cosign...
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                     *shrugs*
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wow I hate you and wish you an ear infection
Jan 14th 2016
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      Wish harder. Pray for it every night and put all your energy into it.
Jan 16th 2016
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*updates database*
Jan 14th 2016
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This pic is terrible...
Jan 14th 2016
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Yep.
Jan 14th 2016
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RE: This pic is terrible...
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      RE: This pic is terrible...
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      RE: This pic is terrible...
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           RE: This pic is terrible...
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                RE: This pic is terrible...
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                RE: This pic is terrible...
Jan 14th 2016
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                     Cool, so were u in the Cos post telling them look past the 70s victims?
Jan 14th 2016
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                          some people tried to use the 70's line for Cosby
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                               Exactly, AND they took a 1969 joke of his as proof.
Jan 14th 2016
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                               damn u a piece of shit bruh lol
Jan 15th 2016
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                                    Eh. the shit you're saying it piece-of-shit like as well in the eyes of ...
Jan 15th 2016
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                sarcasm?
Jan 14th 2016
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                     RE: sarcasm?
Jan 14th 2016
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                          I know this doesn't constitute as 'proof' or anything.
Jan 14th 2016
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      no talk to 70-90yos. Bowie was 69 when he died..
Jan 14th 2016
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Yeah because sleeping with underage girls is TOTALLY the same
Jan 14th 2016
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its not the same and its why most people are talking about Kellz
Jan 14th 2016
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      RE: its not the same and its why most people are talking about Kellz
Jan 14th 2016
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      lol, it easier to focus on Cosby because its rape accusations...
Jan 14th 2016
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           RE: lol, it easier to focus on Cosby because its rape accusations...
Jan 14th 2016
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                took a beating on the cosby post? lmao
Jan 14th 2016
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                     RE: took a beating on the cosby post? lmao
Jan 14th 2016
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                          not sure which post that was but I'm like Chappelle on the stand
Jan 14th 2016
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                               RE: not sure which post that was but I'm like Chappelle on the stand
Jan 14th 2016
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                                    not at all... i wouldnt let Cosby near my womans drink
Jan 14th 2016
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      wow. you are defending r.kelly.... because bowie
Jan 15th 2016
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           He's saying don't forgive either of them. U're not this slow, akon.
Jan 17th 2016
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Let's get at the difference in public outrage
Jan 14th 2016
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Further, Bowie never held himself out as a role model
Jan 14th 2016
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      Bowie role model or not his white Skin gets a pass
Jan 16th 2016
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"whitey does fuck shit, why hold us to a higher standard?" - okp
Jan 14th 2016
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"Police kill unarmed Black men, cuz they hold us to a higher standard" (...
Jan 14th 2016
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      I think the actual argument
Jan 14th 2016
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      That too...
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           except that's y'alls actual argument
Jan 14th 2016
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           It actually ain't, but like I said, you don't think
Jan 14th 2016
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                except there's no rage, and I don't think you hate them
Jan 14th 2016
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                     RE: except there's no rage, and I don't think you hate them
Jan 14th 2016
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                          but we agree that you're not really concerned about them
Jan 14th 2016
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                               No, we don't. You havin a by-yourself meeting in your delusional head
Jan 15th 2016
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                                    yo, you gotta get credibility back from the cosby lie
Jan 15th 2016
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                                         There's been no "Cosby lie". That's you lying again.
Jan 15th 2016
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                                              I know you feel like you're being slick
Jan 15th 2016
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                                                   RE: I know you feel like you're intelligent
Jan 15th 2016
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                                                        I'm glad that I'm back from Vegas and can give you the attention
Jan 15th 2016
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                                                             I wish you'd stayed
Jan 16th 2016
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                                                                  I know you lie cuz you asked for me
Jan 16th 2016
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                                                                       Oh you got a crush on me now? That's sweet, boo.
Jan 16th 2016
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                                                                            If I ever ask for you, you'll know.
Jan 16th 2016
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           you're actually a retarded person
Jan 14th 2016
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                I won't insult retarded ppl by returning that slight...
Jan 14th 2016
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                     I havent attempted to be witty
Jan 14th 2016
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                          You have before
Jan 14th 2016
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                               so then why did you oppose my clear stance?
Jan 14th 2016
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                               I read the whole post. you're guilty, go fall off a hoverboard
Jan 14th 2016
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                                    Obviously you didn't.
Jan 15th 2016
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                                         bro
Jan 15th 2016
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                                              There was more to what he said
Jan 15th 2016
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                                                   "why arent you as mad when white folks do it?"
Jan 15th 2016
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                                                   That question and observation both only say yall respond hypocritically
Jan 15th 2016
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                                                        Cosby defenders are saying "but when a white person does it..."
Jan 15th 2016
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                                                             So you can't say how I'm defending or trying to absolve Black folks.
Jan 15th 2016
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                                                                  you're looking for someone to argue with. get a life
Jan 15th 2016
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                                                                       I got a beautiful one. Just learn to admit when you're wrong.
Jan 15th 2016
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                                                   see? you'll say any lie.
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                                                        No need to lie. That's your debate plan lol.
Jan 15th 2016
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                                                             this isn't a debate. you lie, I say you lied, we move on.
Jan 16th 2016
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                                                                  No need to project. You're the only liar here. It's your okp ritual.
Jan 17th 2016
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      what the fuck.
Jan 14th 2016
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           Exactly
Jan 14th 2016
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you hear someone fucked a teenager and you're like yo....
Jan 14th 2016
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Someone calls out your inconsistency, and suddenly you're Captain Rape
Jan 14th 2016
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      less "Captain Rape"
Jan 14th 2016
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Ugh
Jan 14th 2016
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yup
Jan 14th 2016
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It was the 70s. Plus, she enjoyed it...
Jan 14th 2016
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and it only happened once
Jan 14th 2016
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Maybe that reduces the stink, I still think it's foul
Jan 14th 2016
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      the imbeciles don't understand the word 'mitigate'
Jan 14th 2016
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           What's the magic rape number that places folk on the bad rapist list?
Jan 14th 2016
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                Mitigating.
Jan 14th 2016
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                     Yea I got it. So what number makes it more wrong?
Jan 14th 2016
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                          He's said it pretty clearly
Jan 14th 2016
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                          I'm just asking for a specific number breh.
Jan 14th 2016
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                               Because it's an irrelevant question given the comments made.
Jan 14th 2016
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                                    Hold up..
Jan 14th 2016
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                                         He got in your ass and you couldnt take it.
Jan 15th 2016
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                                         That's news to me but iight.
Jan 15th 2016
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                                         RE: Hold up..
Jan 15th 2016
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                                              Lol you really going to argue me down on who I was talking to?
Jan 15th 2016
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                                                   oh, you're still ducking
Jan 15th 2016
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                                                        Keep typing homie.
Jan 15th 2016
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                                                             See, if you took a reading comprehension class
Jan 15th 2016
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                                                                  Ok. I can't read and you're smarter than me.
Jan 15th 2016
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                                                                       Please, take a reading comprehension class
Jan 15th 2016
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                                                                            Ok. We done?
Jan 16th 2016
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                                                                                 Not until you've got help.
Jan 17th 2016
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                          Mitigation takes many forms. Theyre infinite.
Jan 15th 2016
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                               Alright.
Jan 15th 2016
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they knew it was illegal, so was coke, weed, etc.
Jan 14th 2016
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      this is a phenomenal reply
Jan 15th 2016
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           it was
Jan 16th 2016
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Bruh, cats right here over the boarder are smashing 14 yr olds
Jan 14th 2016
249
What kind of "we sick" ass niggaz are some of you to be...
Jan 15th 2016
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You preachin' gospel
Jan 15th 2016
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I'm so glad to hear about your concern for victims!
Jan 15th 2016
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You're welcome.
Jan 15th 2016
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But your kinda making it not about the victims as well.
Jan 15th 2016
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      which is not true at all
Jan 15th 2016
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Yeah that's exactly what they're doing!
Jan 15th 2016
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Yup.
Jan 15th 2016
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lmao... you see it
Jan 15th 2016
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https://youtu.be/0JeK4yD7cfE
Jan 15th 2016
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smh..as expected, OKP doesn't understand 'nuance'
Jan 15th 2016
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it's not about nuance, it's about what's important to you.
Jan 15th 2016
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      it IS but some folx are acting like it's about what's important to them
Jan 15th 2016
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           Some of it is just a basic lack of reading comprehension
Jan 15th 2016
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                I don't think that they're misreading or lack any nuance
Jan 15th 2016
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                     these fools don't care at all.
Jan 15th 2016
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                          I really don't. I just wanted to see how far yall would go plea copping.
Jan 15th 2016
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                               oh, that was clear.
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                                    Don't care for trying to show up folk either.
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I'm going to leave this here:
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you have now left it. acknowledged.
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right.
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      RE: right.
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      and?
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      dont bother, these dips are stuck on some bullshit
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      Yea if you're naive enough to think that was his age 1 and only time
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           *shrugs*
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      lol
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      the point is actually that he wasn't above being a predator/pedophile.
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           i don't think he's a predator necessarily
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                I believe there's more to preying than just going to where they are to..
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                     Bowie:not a predator, Kelly: pedophile
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                     First, I haven't said anything about Kelly one way or the other...
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                     I want you to do the right thing and stop the nonsense
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                     Bowie is no different than R.Kelly if you gonna use said same rules
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                     cool unsubstantiated belief bro
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                     You're basing your bullshit on the belief that Bowie had one occurrence....
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                     he did or it would be written about, talked about, rumored about.
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                     or he's white.
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                          so common sense reasoning has been relgated to race/tommin' bs?
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                          Common sense says that where there's smoke there's fire.
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                               yea, where the smoke is...not where the smoke is not
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                          Marvin Gaye was Black as a motherfucker.
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                               *shrug*
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                                    exactly.
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                                    nope, you're wrong.
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                                         no surprise YOU can't see it.
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                                              I can see how you're wrong just fine.
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                                    RE: *shrug*
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                     so more unsubstantiated shit to uphold your own bias
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                          Some predators believe they're doing it out of love and/or adoration.
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                               u dead serious too
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                                    I give a shit about the levels.
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                                         thankfully, even the law recognizes degrees of wrong.
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                                              I never said there weren't degrees.
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                                                   i'm also calling it what it is - wrong.
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                                                        Congratulations.
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                                                             thanks.
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                     RE: cool unsubstantiated belief bro
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                          Post 374. Ain't nobody missing shit.
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                     okay.
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                          If it wasn't uncommon for underage girls to be in those..
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                               *shrugs*
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i need cliff notes on the r.kelly defence
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Re: Cosby..
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Drugging girls was rape back then too, see Roman Polanski
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RE: Drugging girls was rape back then too, see Roman Polanski
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      Murph was pointing out recreational drug use; NOT actually roofies, lol
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      lol exactly
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      that's your interpretation.
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      so your argument is that
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      No, I'm not saying any of that.
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           was that the person's argument?
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                I posted the link above. Feel free to decide for yourself the meaning.
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                     that wasnt that person's argument at all
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                     There's definitely a connection between that sentiment and Cosby's
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                          no. the difference is that cosby drugged these women without their
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                               If I, as an adult male. Give a 14yr old girl drugs with her "consent"
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                                    i'm not saying that at all
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                                         that's not what who is arguing? I honestly don't know what you're askin...
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                                              i dont know how to have these kinds of conversations
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                     RE: I posted the link above. Feel free to decide for yourself the meanin...
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      RE: that's your interpretation.
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      RE: Murph was pointing out recreational drug use; NOT actually roofies, ...
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      RE: Drugging girls was rape back then too, see Roman Polanski
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           So you believe a minor is in a position to consent.
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                RE: So you believe a minor is in a position to consent.
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                     So there you have it. You believe minors are competent to consent.
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                          RE: So there you have it. You believe minors are competent to consent.
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                          The debate that I'm having..
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                               RE: The debate that I'm having..
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                                    You continue to give explanations that I'm not asking for.
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                          you are just being obtuse at this point. carry on
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                               you want a debate that no one is willing to give you.
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                                    who is no one? i dont want a debate - i want answers
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was raping them acceptable?
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so....the cosby defense is: giving drugs to a minor
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      You're looking for a "Cosby defense"...
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           you are not the only person in this post
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                cliff notes? lol. Why not just read the replies?
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                     do you just need to have the last word or something?
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                          do you not see the irony in the question?
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                               aah, you do. then have at it!
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Has anyone cast doubt on her story yet?
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must not've, since I'm not "bamming this post up"
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More women more questions?
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oh my.
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Since you want to reference my comment...
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I believe the words were "cast doubt"
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What doubt did I cast?
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      which isn't true, but your retconning isn't my problem.
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You phrased the concept I'm speaking to well
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      I didn't call out Bowie. I SMH at those falling all over themselves to....
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           RE: I didn't call out Bowie. I SMH at those falling all over themselves...
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                Yes, I did.
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                     got any examples?
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                          Plenty.
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                               Ah, so you have as much proof as Rjcc in 369
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                               Nice try (not really) but that's not the way this works.
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                                    haha. where is this rule written?
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                                    okay so let me accuse you of something and you can go fish for posts..
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                                         but you seem to think people should show posts
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                                              If I accuse you of something related to your stance....
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                                                   I would if I claimed I had plenty of examples
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                                                        haha... you're not this dumb. Or maybe you are.
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                                                             RE: haha... you're not this dumb. Or maybe you are.
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                                                                  lol! Your desperation is hilarious.
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                                                                       Trying to assign your motivations to me doesn't work
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                                    What accusation have I made against you?
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                                         You have no point at this point, bro.
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                                              RE: You have no point at this point, bro.
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                                                   Awesome.
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                                                        Yep, didn't think so.
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                                                             lol
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                                                                  It's not reverse psychology
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                                                                       lololololol!!!
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                                                                            RE: lololololol!!!
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                                                                                 If you're referring to you making an accusation...
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                                                                                 RE: If you're referring to you making an accusation...
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                                                                                 So you using something said in the same post...
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                                                                                 Oh dear
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                                                                                 "All of a sudden where there's smoke there's fire" -You
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                                                                                 RE: "All of a sudden where there's smoke there's fire" -You
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                               LOL
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damn.
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There is an interesting mix of....
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bottom line if you gonna hold one under the fire than they are all
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RE: bottom line if you gonna hold one under the fire than they are all
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RE: bottom line if you gonna hold one under the fire than they are all
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lets talk r.kelly
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its irony. they saying bowie is being given a pass because he is white
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      Literally nobody has said this...
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           https://media.giphy.com/media/AxVvk8Q6ILwsSOUz7y/giphy.gif
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           hey, there's my name again!
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                lol
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News flash it was the 70's.
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as if a time period is a cop plea deal?
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This is finally making the rounds on my facebook page.
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murderbear
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1. "star1973.com"
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yo, thats crazy

  

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2. "All I can say, the 70s yo. "
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**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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3. "RE: All I can say, the 70s yo. "
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yeah, pretty much. wow.

  

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8. "Cheap plentiful drugs and no fatal sexually transmitted diseases!"
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13. "Looking forward to that 70s Record Label HBO series. "
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The Flour budget for the show is going to be through the roof.


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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4. "why did this news drop yesterday? "
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motherfuckers waited until he died to talk about it.

shut up already, damn

  

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5. "Cause everyone is talking about his legacy. Gotta tell the full story. "
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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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11. "oh, we waiting until they die now? "
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I NEVER heard about this shit but 20 minutes after he dies 10 people run online to tel this story.

Smh... now I see why maxxxxx is mad as shit. lol

shut up already, damn

  

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22. "What was the last David Bowie article you read before he died?"
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I dug him but didn't count myself a fan so I haven't read about him in years. Since his death I've read quite a few pieces about him.

A recently dead celebrity generates clicks.

It's not that deep. When a celebrity is in the news (whether it's a death or promoting a new movie, etc.) you are going to get more positive stories and more negative stories.


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legsdiamond
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26. "dude, he had sex with a 13 year old.."
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I expect that type of info to resurface when people are discussing Kells and Cosby and Polanski and Woody Allen

it's a crazy story, I would think someone would speak on it before 2016.

just smells like they waited for death instead of putting him in blast.

my question is why did they wait?

shut up already, damn

  

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55. "probably because she didn't think it was wrong and didn't want him"
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to get into any trouble. reading the article, she had fond memories of alladat.

  

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86. "and how is that any different than kellz groupie babys?"
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shut up already, damn

  

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174. "somebody involved had a problem with it or else we wouldn't know."
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i was answering the specific question at the end of "why did she wait?"

seems like somebody's mama or whoever (i don't care enough to know the details of the kellz situation(s)) had an issue with kellz and the girl(s) to make it public.

and like has also been mentioned here many times, different time/era and folks reacted differently to these things, as wrong as that may be/sound.

  

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114. "it didn't drop yesterday. the date is at the bottom."
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(I don't want to screw up your timeline again, just go look for yourself)

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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6. "Yeah I thought it was in poor taste"
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Since it was specifically brought up to catch steam with all the Bowie articles since his death; its not as if Jimmy Page was in the title of the two or three articles I saw that covered it in the last 3 days.

Its tough call; apparently it was a threesome with his wife and at the time considering the drugs/environment was probably 'acceptable'.

However, just because Jim Crow was legal doesn't mean people doing it weren't assholes, lol.

I do think painting him as a mean spirited sexual predator is wrong; considering he had no problem admitting his fuckups after the fact (He was sprouting some fascist/borderline anti-semetic shit going 'full retard' with one of his personas that he disavowed later). Dude was still in his early 20's and obviously grew.

It's going to be interesting as we grow older and more things like these happen because of the internet and how things don't die.

>
>
>
>I read this and my jaw kind of dropped.
>
>https://www.thrillist.com/entertainment/nation/i-lost-my-virginity-to-david-bowie
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>I saw Almost Famous, but I've never really heard anything
>about this scene or the notion of Baby Groupies.
>
>Were rock stars like David Bowie, Iggy Pop, Mick Jagger, Rod
>Stewart, Alice Cooper, etc. rapist or is it more complicated
>than that? Were times different?
>
>Yahoo News had an article entitled "The Complicated Sexual
>History of David Bowie". Is that a pass to frame it like
>that?
>
>We gonna talk about it or let it lay there?
>
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>**********
>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>
>"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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12. "Yeah I don't get from the article that he was a "traditional sexual pred..."
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I mean the way the girls describe it, they were the predators seeking out rock stars....but they are 14 and 15.

And their were magazines totally devoted to these baby groupies.

It just seems like a totally alien mindset.



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20. "It's just that its was overt. Lusting after teenage girls never went ou..."
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Like I remember when Britney Spears came out the gate a fully formed pop star at 16 and Rolling Stone had no problem having her doing Stuff/Maxim level photoshoots:

https://flavorwire.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/britney.jpg

and she actually looks her age in that picture.

Similar to how even though there was this backlash after Tyga admitted they were dating that Kylie girl was out there selling magazines doing the fuckable face pout/titties almost out.





>I mean the way the girls describe it, they were the

  

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7. "R. Kelly goes back to Huff Post Live to tell e'rybody..."
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to kiss his Black ass.

This will be the beginning. There will be more of these stories than many of us are probably prepared to hear. Sickening all the way around.

Let's not fry one man and deify others regardless of their contributions to culture.

FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMEEEEEEEEEEEE!

  

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14. "You know what the difference is."
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15. "RE: R. Kelly goes back to Huff Post Live to tell e'rybody..."
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The problem with this^^^is dude was still doing his "thing" in the early 2000....

It was never about Kelly simply sleeping with young girls...It was the issue that young girls seemed to be a pattern for him....Plural...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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18. "Naw dude, it's sleeping with young girls. "
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Yeah the difference is one was doing it in the 2000s and another was doing it in the 70s but the act is the same act (even though it is clearly more frowned upon now).

It takes alot of parsing to find a meaningful difference between what Kellz and Bowie and the 70 dudes were doing.

To put another way, contemporaries may judge what they are doing differently, but they are doing the same thing. The question is does that make what one did more wrong than the other?



>
>
>The problem with this^^^is dude was still doing his "thing" in
>the early 2000....
>
>It was never about Kelly simply sleeping with young girls...It
>was the issue that young girls seemed to be a pattern for
>him....Plural...


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flipnile
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19. "Bowie was supplying them with drugs, too"
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24. "RE: Naw dude, it's sleeping with young girls. "
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>Yeah the difference is one was doing it in the 2000s and
>another was doing it in the 70s but the act is the same act
>(even though it is clearly more frowned upon now).

It's all about context (as u rightly started the era means a lot...)

But let's not be naive. It's also about if said music act had shown a pattern of such behavior....


>It takes alot of parsing to find a meaningful difference
>between what Kellz and Bowie and the 70 dudes were doing.

Nah..no parsing...A rock star having a threesome with his wife and 14-15 groupie is some pretty shocking shocking shit...But in the 70s that shit was like having breakfast for most music acts...

Like I said below....Marvin Gaye, Chuck Berry and P-Funk all was involved with either obscene activity or underaged groupies and girls...And no one is talking about their dirt...No one cares...

Kelly's issue is he was still going at his young girl obsessions long after such activity was frowned upon...Like early 2000.....The new social media age we are in makes it tough to get away with more recent behavior like that...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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27. "Plain and simple, grown folks having sex with kids..."
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is sickening regardless of the era in which it occurred.

If it wasn't morally sickening or illegal, there would have never been an age of consent which emboldens any law against such act.

So, honestly, my hope is that all of these bastards' dirt start to fall out of the ceilings. If we getting ready to PUBLICLY burn Cosby at the stake, PUBLICLY burn them all.





  

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28. "^^^^^^^^"
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but this won't happen.

shut up already, damn

  

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42. "RE: Plain and simple, grown folks having sex with kids..."
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But people are not mad at Kellz because he had sex with little girls....They mad because he was taped having sex with a little girl and had a line of paid off accusers who refused to come out in court and still managed to skate...

In the 1800-1900's, women were mere property...Slavery was the law....And getting married to your 15 year old cousin was not al all shocking...President Roosevelt was involved with his own cousin...And that was in the 20's or 30's?

Well, guess what? these things are NOW frowned upon...

A rock star giving pills and coke to 14-15 old groupie was not shocking in the 70s...A rock star doing the same thing in 2000 up is indeed shocking...

If you want to be mad at a double standard be mad at social media (twitter, instagram. blogs, etc...)...

Trust me....If that dude from Maroon 5 and his wife decided to do a threesome with a 14 year old girl TODAY dude's career would be finished...

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44. "that plus Kellz calls himself 'the Pied Piper of R&B'"
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and has made several sexually-charged songs and videos in the wake of the allegations against him. further, he has not admitted any wrongdoing nor taken any steps to address his potential problem. folks consider him a predator in part b/c he was known to actually seek out underage girls for sex - he's been known to frequent teen hangout spots looking for girls to bang. i assume he also banged some underage girls who threw themselves at him. some of the girls Kellz banged or their parents later sued him and he settled cases.

Bowie doesn't seem like a predator b/c AFAIK he only had sex w/one girl so the kid rape thing wasn't a pattern. also, the girl who's the subject of this story was hanging at clubs on the Sunset Strip - a particularly adult environment as opposed to a teen hangout spot. finally, the girl says she was into the sex and to this day she's not complaining about it and says it was a 'beautiful' event.

so i can understand some of the difference in the reaction to the Kellz story and the Bowie story.

fuck you.

  

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49. "RE: that plus Kellz calls himself 'the Pied Piper of R&B'"
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>and has made several sexually-charged songs and videos in the
>wake of the allegations against him. further, he has not
>admitted any wrongdoing nor taken any steps to address his
>potential problem. folks consider him a predator in part b/c
>he was known to actually seek out underage girls for sex -
>he's been known to frequent teen hangout spots looking for
>girls to bang. i assume he also banged some underage girls
>who threw themselves at him. some of the girls Kellz banged
>or their parents later sued him and he settled cases.
>
>Bowie doesn't seem like a predator b/c AFAIK he only had sex
>w/one girl so the kid rape thing wasn't a pattern. also, the
>girl who's the subject of this story was hanging at clubs on
>the Sunset Strip - a particularly adult environment as opposed
>to a teen hangout spot. finally, the girl says she was into
>the sex and to this day she's not complaining about it and
>says it was a 'beautiful' event.
>
>so i can understand some of the difference in the reaction to
>the Kellz story and the Bowie story.

I mean yeah^^^ to all this...

Especially Robert...I'm from the Chi...I know the same folks he knows...My cousin played bass for him...

I remember him coming up to the high schools when he was in his early 20's...And that was him going after his older young girl demographic...Usually Kellz would meet up with girls in parking lots and McDonalds...Like u said...actively seeking out 13-16 year olds...

Context and eras...That's what this debate is about....

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51. "So, because the minor expressed having enjoyed it, "
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>Bowie doesn't seem like a predator b/c AFAIK he only had sex
>w/one girl so the kid rape thing wasn't a pattern. also, the
>girl who's the subject of this story was hanging at clubs on
>the Sunset Strip - a particularly adult environment as opposed
>to a teen hangout spot. finally, the girl says she was into
>the sex and to this day she's not complaining about it and
>says it was a 'beautiful' event.
>
>so i can understand some of the difference in the reaction to
>the Kellz story and the Bowie story.


it's cool?

OK!

  

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52. "that's a mitigating factor, yes."
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fuck you.

  

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54. "..."
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Wed Jan-13-16 12:13 PM by Creole

  

          

...

  

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56. "RE: Do we know that none of Kelly's "victims" enjoyed it?"
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Who knows...?

But I know they got paid not to talk...I know there were more than 11...I know that dude actively went after 13 year olds...Went to high schools, took his "girls" to McDonalds...Even started dating one of his biggest supporters and best friends's daughters when she hit 21. The problem? That was his god daughter he had known since she was like 7....

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60. "Did Bowie actively go after that 13 year old?"
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>
>
>Who knows...?
>
>But I know they got paid not to talk...I know there were more
>than 11...I know that dude actively went after 13 year
>olds...Went to high schools, took his "girls" to
>McDonalds...Even started dating one of his biggest supporters
>and best friends's daughters when she hit 21. The problem?
>That was his god daughter he had known since she was like
>7....
>


He cruised the Strip knowing full well these girls were there. No different from Kelly or any other of these perverted mf'ers.


None of the details really matter to me as a grown man and a father. Point blank, a motherfucker who has sex with underage girls, regardless of how many times it has happened, is sick regardless of their contributions to culture. I don't care if the girl is throwing it at the man. He needs to step the fuck off. PERIOD!

  

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70. "RE: Did Bowie actively go after that 13 year old?"
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>>
>>
>>Who knows...?
>>
>>But I know they got paid not to talk...I know there were
>more
>>than 11...I know that dude actively went after 13 year
>>olds...Went to high schools, took his "girls" to
>>McDonalds...Even started dating one of his biggest
>supporters
>>and best friends's daughters when she hit 21. The problem?
>>That was his god daughter he had known since she was like
>>7....
>>
>
>
>He cruised the Strip knowing full well these girls were there.
>No different from Kelly or any other of these perverted
>mf'ers.


Actually no...Bowie and other rockers/soul acts at that time was on some LET THEM COME TO US...The club scene was wild but adult on the Strip...But just from reading about those times back then, those same clubs would let in the groupies, even with fake ID's and such...

Basically, groupie culture in the 70s was highlly celebrated.....There were songs written about the Plaster Casters...Pamela Des Barnes was big as her conquests....Groupies became icons....

Bowie didn't have to cruise the Strip for chicks...lol

Dude had them coming in droves backstage....That's where most of hook ups happening...Bowie, Marvin and George and them weren't going to McDonalds and high schools like Kellz....

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73. "So, he's a cooler and better pervert than Kellz because he had..."
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>
>Bowie didn't have to cruise the Strip for chicks...lol
>
>Dude had them coming in droves backstage....That's where most
>of hook ups happening...Bowie, Marvin and George and them
>weren't going to McDonalds and high schools like Kellz....

the jailbait coming to him.

OK!

There's level to this shit? I see!


  

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75. "yeah, there's levels to the shit."
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Bowie's 'case' has several mitigating facts that Kellz's 'case' lacks.

of course, for you there's no levels. strict liability - they bang a minor then that's the end.

fuck you.

  

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76. "RE: So, he's a cooler and better pervert than Kellz because he had..."
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No...I'm saying different cases...When u r putting on a concert in the 70s...And a beautiful girl steps backstage and says "I want to party..." And the rule backstage is literally NO HEAD, NO BACKSTAGE PASS ...AND said girl is a groupie then there is no amount of celebrating shit...

It was what it was...

Again, no one was carding girls coming to shows back then....But not even Bowie and George and them were so bold to be driving up to high schools and picking up underage girls...There was rules to the groupie game back then as nasty and side-eye worthy as it was....



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100. "nah, its still wrong..."
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and it wasn't always some back stage shit either.

you know damn well these dudes were fucking at house parties and shit

shut up already, damn

  

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57. "i know that more than one of them sued him."
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i know that at least one of them or her parents either went to the police and signed a criminal complaint or otherwise cooperated in a criminal investigation related to an allegation of child rape/child porn.

also, Aaliyah's parents complained about Kellz marrying Aaliyah w/o their consent and the marriage was annulled on that basis. Aaliyah either never spoke publicly about Kellz after the annulment or i just haven't read it. whereas before she talked about the 2 of them being friends. further, her uncle's label owns Aaliyah's music (i think) and the label recently released a hits compilation that all but ignored the music Kellz made w/Aaliyah.

based on all of that i think at least 1 or 2 of Kellz' 'victims' complained.

fuck you.

  

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61. "I get all that you're saying..."
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I'm just bothered by how one person can be deified while others are crucified for the same shit.

That's all there is to it for me. It's principalities, Smokie!

  

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107. "anyone with any semblance of nuance"
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recognizes that it isn't the same thing

it's the pattern

and it's the active predatory nature of it

it's ok to think both are wrong but it's wrong to pretend it's the same

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47. "Again, I do not think it at all accurate to say"
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>But people are not mad at Kellz because he had sex with little
>girls....




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53. "RE: Again, I do not think it at all accurate to say"
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>>But people are not mad at Kellz because he had sex with
>little
>>girls....

Nah...he got away with it...And he still sings about eating out pussy and fucking on the couch ...Today...lol

Hence why people are getting at Kellz on some NOPE....WE ARE NOT GOING TO LET U FORGET U PEED ON THAT GIRL AND CHASED 13 YEAR OLDS....PLURAL....

It's rarely the deed in these type of instances...It's the viewpoint of crime/punishment....

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50. "Mad? Not at all..."
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>If you want to be mad at a double standard be mad at social
>media (twitter, instagram. blogs, etc...)...
>

Social media has no bearing on my fellings and thoughts. No need to be mad about any of it. The fact remains that one man's legacy will stand the test of time while another man's is destroyed. Regardless of whom these men are, that's just the fact as I see it.

I'm no apologist for R. Kelly nor for Bowie nor Cosby nor Lewis, Presley, Berry, Roosevelt, George Clinton, et al. If it is true that any of these men had sex with underage girls or non-consenting women, they are sick fucks. I don't care about the era in which the acts allegedly or actually occurred.

  

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58. "RE: Mad? Not at all..."
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>I'm no apologist for R. Kelly nor for Bowie nor Cosby nor
>Lewis, Presley, Berry, Roosevelt, George Clinton, et al. If it
>is true that any of these men had sex with underage girls or
>non-consenting women, they are sick fucks. I don't care about
>the era in which the acts allegedly or actually occurred.


No one is an apologist....Just a realest....Eras matter....Laws matter...

Social media just happens to be the great equalizer now....

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296. "RE: Mad? Not at all..."
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I totally understand what you are saying. As a parent, I feel the exact same way!

But, let me be honest. I don't believe that in the 60-70s the state of California was enforcing the statutory rape charges on the Sunset Strip the way they would be now. So yeah, a LOT of stars got away with behavior that was illegal that wouldn't happen today. Especially with Social Media.

Unless you have money, and even then its up in the air, you are getting charged, in today's age.

A lot of Rock Stars, Comedians, Soul & Funk singers got away with some really awful behavior. And, they can't be charged for it. I can give Bill Cosby the stink eye for the rest of his and my life, but if he raped someone in the 80s or before, honestly...he gets away with it. R. Kelly on the other hand, should not get a pass because he is a predator. And, that is the difference. The groupie culture has been well documented so we know what happened back then. So you can choose to fuck with those artists or not.

R. Kelly isn't dealing with groupie culture. The Rrrruh is a predator. He preys on young girls. So no, Mr. Kelly gets no pass from me. I will not listen to his music. I will not stand up for him. And, I believe that eventually he will get tossed in the seventh level of hell for his exploits. But, its not my place to judge. So, I just choose to ignore his ignorant ass.

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72. "Kells was literally going to HS to get girls in the 21st century"
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79. "RE: Kells was literally going to HS to get girls in the 21st century"
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^^^^^^^


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31. "i dunno that Bowie had sex w/multiple girls."
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i've only read this story about ONE girl.

but Kellz has been notorious for chasing young girls. for years. repeatedly.

fuck you.

  

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>Let's not fry one man and deify others regardless of their
>contributions to culture.

  

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32. "One man was a serial rapist of 30 plus women"
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who if properly prosecuted would spend many lifetimes in jail.

The other slept with someone underage which is statutory rape and if fully prosecuted would get out in five years.

  

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34. "So it shouldn't matter as much because there was only one victim?"
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Or it shouldn't matter because the victim is apparently cool with everything... bragging about it, even?

Also, to be anal about it, until he get convicted everything with Cosby is *alleged*

I'm not trying to excuse Cosby, at all. But if we're gonna go hard stopping sexual assault then we need to apply our outrage across the board. Bowie, Page, Gaye, Berry, et al. shouldn't get passes based on who is popular with certain crowds and who isn't.

  

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38. "yeah, these are mitigating factors:"
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>Or it shouldn't matter because the victim is apparently cool
>with everything... bragging about it, even?

i'm less 'outraged' about Bowie's alleged child rape b/c there was only one 'victim' AFAIK and there was no complaint made by the 'victim' or her parents or law enforcement.

fuck you.

  

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64. "his "victim" still talks about it to this day "
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about how wonderful it was and how much fun she had during that time, there was an article out not even 3 months ago where she talked about her experience with Bowie and the threesome with another baby groupie. but she didn't make it seem on-going.

But he was not the only one...i don't see anyone addressing the other participants who are alive right now. A lot of rockstars are still alive. But no one is addressing them.

  

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71. "ppl are addressing the others too."
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and not just this week.

http://elegantgatheringofwhitesnows.com/?p=349

http://bitchtopia.com/2014/02/12/look-away-rockstars-and-their-underage-prey/

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33. "Cosby's contribution to culture >>>>>>>> Bowie's contributions."
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and i think most ppl would agree there. so i don't think Bowie gets a pass on his one alleged occurrence of child rape and Cosby is villified for his 30-50+ alleged occurrences of rape/sexual battery based on their contributions to culture.

fuck you.

  

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35. "Where you get this "one alleged occurrence"?"
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That article describes an on-going relationship and sex with more than one minor.



>and i think most ppl would agree there. so i don't think
>Bowie gets a pass on his one alleged occurrence of child rape
>and Cosby is villified for his 30-50+ alleged occurrences of
>rape/sexual battery based on their contributions to culture.


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40. "i've read/skimmed more than one article about the issue."
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i only recall learning about one incident between Bowie and Mattix. she went on to have a relationship w/Jimmy Page.

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/music/david-bowie-and-the-15-year-old-girls-7962946

http://news.yahoo.com/complicated-sexual-history-david-bowie-222902494.html

http://elegantgatheringofwhitesnows.com/?p=349

fuck you.

  

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43. "In the very article you listed she also mentions having a 3some"
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with Sable and them also having sex on multiple occasions.


"Two hours later, I went to check on Sable. She was all fucked up in the living room, walking around, fogging up windows and writing, "I want to fuck David." I told him what she was doing and that I felt so bad. Bowie said, “Well, darling, bring her in.” That night I lost my virginity and had my first threesome. The next morning, there was banging on the door and it was fucking Angie. I was terrified of her. David said not to worry about it. They were already at the point where they had separate rooms. She probably knew he’d be in there with girls... or boys. He was totally bisexual. I saw David many times after that, for the next 10 years, and it was always great."




>i only recall learning about one incident between Bowie and
>Mattix. she went on to have a relationship w/Jimmy Page.
>
>http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/music/david-bowie-and-the-15-year-old-girls-7962946
>
>http://news.yahoo.com/complicated-sexual-history-david-bowie-222902494.html
>
>http://elegantgatheringofwhitesnows.com/?p=349


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45. "right on."
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so one 'victim' and more than one occurrence. vs Bill's 30-50+ 'victims' and at least 30-50+ occurrences.

cool.

fuck you.

  

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59. "You arguing with the wrong one. I was just pointing out your misstateme..."
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>so one 'victim' and more than one occurrence. vs Bill's
>30-50+ 'victims' and at least 30-50+ occurrences.
>
>cool.


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63. "i didn't argue."
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fuck you.

  

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65. "Why are you bringing up BC with me then?"
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so one 'victim' and more than one occurrence. vs Bill's 30-50+ 'victims' and at least 30-50+ occurrences.

Cool.


And again, it's not one "victim" there are two mentioned in that article.


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67. "i was clarifying the position i'd stated in a previous reply."
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2 'victims', a 10 yr dalliance/relationship and no civil or criminal complaint vs Cosby's 30-50+ 'victims', more than one civil complaint and so far one criminal complaint.

cool.

fuck you.

  

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36. "Why a pass for Bowie?"
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IMO, one crime is no greater or lesser than another especially when it comes to the violation of another person's body, soul, and mind.

It's sickening all the way around.

I don't give a damn that it was cool for grown men to stroll an area that was known for underage girls/groupies. I don't care that the underage girls were the aggressor. The GROWN man should have known to walk away from that.

  

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39. "Bowie's white though!"
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as usual my brainwashed brother we all know the world sees the white man's ice as colder and the reason why we are giving this milk of magnesium skinned man a pass is because of his skin color, while society sits here and tries to take down Bill Cosby! You know he was about to buy NBC/CBS/Microsoft for 300 billion dollars back in the 90's right? Do the math my nigga

A=black power
B=white fear of that power
C=white people using tricknology to take down feared black man

A+B=C my brother.

  

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41. "*gets in the Drop Squad van*"
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fuck you.

  

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78. "it's milk of magnesia not milk of magnesium "
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300 billion?


>as usual my brainwashed brother we all know the world sees
>the white man's ice as colder and the reason why we are giving
>this milk of magnesium skinned man a pass is because of his
>skin color, while society sits here and tries to take down
>Bill Cosby! You know he was about to buy NBC/CBS/Microsoft for
>300 billion dollars back in the 90's right? Do the math my
>nigga
>
>A=black power
>B=white fear of that power
>C=white people using tricknology to take down feared black
>man
>
>A+B=C my brother.
>

  

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80. "Shit, you right"
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>
>
>300 billion?

This was correctly references sarcasm as opposed to the milk reference

  

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142. "RE: Cosby's contribution to culture >>>>>>>> Bowie's contributions."
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Whoa kemosabe

  

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144. "yup."
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my point was that Bowie doesn't get a pass and Cos denied one b/c so many of us think Bowie's contributions to culture mean more than Cos's. i think for most ppl it's the opposite.

fuck you.

  

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9. "He's gonna get a pass because he's David Bowie"
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10. "if you white you alright."
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17. "RE: if you white you alright."
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In a lot of cases this ^^^^^ is true...

In this case though? Nah....

Chuck Berry was known for hiding miniature cameras in his business' toilets to tape women's privates....No one is talking about this....

Marvin Gaye had sex with a underage woman who he later married...Even wrote some of his best music about her and his "young thing"...No one cares....

P-Funk use to run through VERY YOUNG female groupies......No one cares....

I'll say it for the millionth time....It's all about the era we are in....Social media is both judge and jury...

Also, it doesn't help that Kelly was still going after young girls in the early 2000....I mean we talking about someone that dated his own God daughter who he had known since she was seven or so....And Kellz did that to one of his biggest supporters and friends George Daniels...

Some things r indeed black and white/racial (the alarming differences between blacks and whites when it comes to prison sentencing and drug laws...Straight racist....)

This ain't one of 'em...

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37. "the people you named aren't still making money so nobody cares."
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46. "RE: the people you named aren't still making money so nobody cares."
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Not true...

George still tours with P-Funk...Recently recorded a record with Kendrick Lamar...AND just dropped his memoirs which was covered by damn near every media outlet...

Bottom line: be mad at social media and the times we are in.....The 70s was a wild time....

What we are dealing with here is A) different eras and B) context as it pertains to social transgressions....

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96. "they just did a $10 show at Ballpark Village in STL, lol..."
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they ain't getting real money so nobody gives a fuck about them...

>Not true...
>
>George still tours with P-Funk...Recently recorded a record
>with Kendrick Lamar...AND just dropped his memoirs which was
>covered by damn near every media outlet...

  

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104. "RE: they just did a $10 show at Ballpark Village in STL, lol..."
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>they ain't getting real money so nobody gives a fuck about
>them...


U talking about "they"...

I'm talking about George Clinton.....The same guy that just wrote a book for Simon & Schuster and was all over the media outlets from NPR to the Tonight Show talking about said book...

Apparently people have been caring enough to have him on their shows talking about his memoirs....And nobody mentioned it...

Because it's all about eras and context....

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69. "Chuck Berry had to do time, Marvin Gaye had been blackballed"
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P FUnk never back during their prime and peak got the same love as Kiss despite being 5 times the Musicians.

Karama comes in different ways.

bottom line none of those acts ever been as blatant as Jerry Lee Lewis period.

he had no shame and did this in the SOuth period. worldwide.

none of them got a pass like Jimmy Page.


ROb Lowe was on film and he was on tv as a award presenter at the golden globes. White folks do what they want period.

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74. "RE: Chuck Berry had to do time, Marvin Gaye had been blackballed"
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Chuck did time for transporting a 14 year old "white" woman across state lines...The Mann Act...In the south....in the 50's....A black man....

NOT for putting cameras in his own restaurant to film women's privates.....

This is what happened in that instance: "He was given a six-month suspended jail sentence, two years' unsupervised probation, and ordered to donate $5,000 to a local hospital..."

Again...is someone did this ^^^^ in 2016? They would be seeing some time....

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127. "RE: Chuck Berry had to do time, Marvin Gaye had been blackballed"
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no they wouldn't and Chuck Berry got a Pardon and nobody said a word.

he did his dirt and nobody tripped.

i know about that act as the Orange country district tried to tie that one on Michael jackson with no successs.

Chuck Berry had crazy white love and they turned the other eye to a point, however he was blackballed and in a way treated like a novelty act despite his act.

however there is a reason why "My Ding a Ling" is his biggest hit and that ain't by accident.

he was never a black threat.

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66. "We cool with Marvin Gaye too..."
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and he dated an underage girl. There is a difference between an one instance/person and being a predator.

  

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128. "Marvin Gaye is one of the great greats IMO,however he rides down"
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David Bowie and R.Kelly BLVd don't get it twisted.

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21. "He's lucky there was no social media and no home video recorders."
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fuck you.

  

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23. "IDK. It seemed part of it was just folks cared less. "
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I mean their was a magzine devoted to underage groupies at the time!!!


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25. "Sure."
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fuck you.

  

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29. "The Mcrib wasn't out then."
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30. "LMAO"
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RE: The Mcrib wasn't out then.

  

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48. "Lot of name dropping in that article"
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Bowie, Jimmy Page, Mick Jagger, Iggy Pop, Steven Tyler...etc.

Shit ain't right, but like a previous poster said...

...the 70's yo...

  

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62. "if Jerry Lee Lewis,Jimmy Page, white acts get a pass than stop tripping"
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on R.Kelly or Marvin Gaye,etc.. and this is the Industry period.

if you think the artists done got down, well what do you think a Clive Davis or that Cat who managed N SYnc and Backstreet Boys did?

Lou Pearlman was the cat.

ain't nothing new in the industry.

that racist business lets White Boys get a pass.

not condoning R.Kelly,Marvin Gaye,Chuck Berry,Jackie Wilson,Bill Cosby amongest others,however their is a double standard.

RIP to BOwie, however this is why you seperate the personal from the art.

everybody knows Bowie was a freak.try it all.

i don't care or buy that social media is leading this or that, media does what they want period.

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77. "RE: if Jerry Lee Lewis,Jimmy Page, white acts get a pass than stop tripp..."
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Jerry Lee Lewis' career died after that cousin fiasco...

Jimmy? U def. have a point on....But again...in the 70s, Jimmy, Bowie, George Clinton, Marvin, and damn near every rock/soul act was dealing with young groupies....

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82. "imo this is why Plant declines to tour"
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because he doesnt want all of this ish to be talked about again in this day and age

as well as how they riped off hal;f of thweir material for their own gain etc


>Jerry Lee Lewis' career died after that cousin fiasco...
>
>Jimmy? U def. have a point on....But again...in the 70s,
>Jimmy, Bowie, George Clinton, Marvin, and damn near every
>rock/soul act was dealing with young groupies....
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129. "RE: if Jerry Lee Lewis,Jimmy Page, white acts get a pass than stop tripp..."
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jerry lee lewis still toured and folks moved on after a while. the only reason why it got much attention aside from it being what it was, was because that turkey was blatant and bold with his.

but life went on as he got older toured, had hits, rock and roll hall of fame and a movie and books on his career. so it ain't a lifetime ban.

thats all i'm saying, most folks move on and seperate the two

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68. "wasn't a lasting pattern"
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more of a cultural/societal ill than a morality one

not comparable to the true predators

still morally problematic although i'm a firm believer in moral relativity

but it's akin to someone who was in an abusive relationship (as the abuser) who was never in another one after said relationship ended

yes, that person is still a woman beater but if it never becomes a pattern...it can almost be chalked up to environmental factors rather than internal predatory behaviors

i think there is a distinct difference there...society fails us all in a few ways and our behaviors will reflect it in some effed up ways but if you internalize those problems to a point...you become more than an environmental "product"

lack of a lasting pattern
and it being the 70s

Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

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81. "the diff between Kelly & the rest has been competently explained"
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and for the record there have been many acts, black n white, who have done the underage thing that have not been so called 'crucified' by the general population/media

Beasties
New Ed/BBD
god knows how many rap or rock acts form the 80's and 90's

so please stop this nonsense

  

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130. "naw R.Kelly is catching Hate as a Black Man with a bigger reach"
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this is the thing,everybody knows or assumed something on R back in the day, however his career and strong depth as a Artist was cool as long as he stayed on R&B,however when he worked with Lady Gaga white folks gotta pull his strings.

nobody said a word when his Love letter and write me back albums dropped.
and for the record not many trip or care, because folks still love his music and it ain't stopped him on the Black Side of the charts, however on the White side that is the line.

but in time He will easily be a Hall of Famer
and folks will celebrate his Musical Genius and move on.

i don't buy its a time era or this multi media,etc.. garbage because let white folks tell it in America those back then were the good old days and its how its painted.

naw these Hating Media types know that Michael Jackson and Stevie Wonder done passed the Baton to R.Kelly and they trying to bump him off the road to teach him a lesson.

its done on purpose,it ain't about the quality of his work.

because Bro Man still stays Beasting and feasting on turkeys.

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83. "aww man that aint nobody but Lupe Fuentes"
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436. "Lol"
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84. "Let me put it bluntly, was what DB doing wrong?"
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It's easy to say dude wasn't as bad as Kellz or Cos, put are folks saying it wasn't wrong or he deserves a pass?


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88. "The actual woman it happened to said she's good."
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She has no regrets, doesn't have an issue and is totally OK with it

If you're going to nail Bowie, nail Marvin Gaye too. He met Janis at 16 and made a whole album dedicated to screwing her.

  

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89. "wrong yes...predator no"
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and considering how age of consent is so varied...how wrong you think it is can vary despite what is legal

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98. "the show was called To Catch a Predator"
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sleeping with a 13 year old is predatory in itself...

and you bugging if you think it was only once.

shut up already, damn

  

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281. "in that show..."
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did the the 13 yo just randomly show up?

there's a difference

u don't care about that difference...i don't give a shit...

a predator seeks out prey

opportunist rock star is still doing something wrong but doesn't display behavior any more predatory than normal dating/groupie love

continue to cook with one seasoning though

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91. "Depends"
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Does acceptable societal behavior give someone a pass for actions that we currently deem 'fucked up'.

Normally id agree with that statement, but Im black and I got baggage since we traditionally ended up on the wrong side of that equation, lol.

For instance Brazil and Italy's age of consent is apparently 14, which seems nuts to me but apparently is culturally fine for them (insert naive speech about them being more culturally liberated then we are where it probably more so means they are backwards).

Cultural Relativism is a real thing and works even with time periods. Underaged sex with groupies were given that wink wink and a smile that other rock and roll behavior was given. Doesn't mean it's right, but it does make it different then the counter examples above who committed crimes in a cultural and social environment much closer to ours.

  

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115. "^^^The million dollar question"
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>Does acceptable societal behavior give someone a pass for
>actions that we currently deem 'fucked up'.

And how you answer this question affects how you answer alot of other big moral questions like, are all slave owners including the presidents burning in hell?



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97. "hell yeah it was wrong and we all know he did it more than once"
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with girls AND boys.

shut up already, damn

  

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102. "yeah, it was wrong."
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sure the girls/now-women involved had and have no complaints. but still...he and the others who were with those 2 girls took advantage of them, IMO. as savvy as the girls were they still just couldn't have known exactly that they were getting into. and it wasn't right for grown men who knew better to use them like that. thankfully these women ended up w/o regrets but it could've been so much worse for them as it has been for countless other similarly situated girls/now-women. it's sexual exploitation of children even if the kid(s) involved are okay w/what's happening.

so i'm not down w/it even though i don't think DB's wrong is not as egregious as wrongs committed by similarly situated dudes.

for example, i think Polanski's wrong is worse than Bowie's even though Polanski had fewer victims (only one AFAIK). it's b/c Polanski's victim complains about what happened and describes it as rape IIRC (http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/nov/03/roman-polanski-victim-samantha-geimer-extradition-refusal-the-right-thing).

i think Kellz's wrong is worse than Bowie's b/c he had more 'victims' and that damned video Kellz made has been circulated widely. so now that girl's/now-woman's exploitation is preserved for history. plus Kellz seems like a bit of a sexual predator in the way he goes after girls in kid settings whereas Bowie picked up girls in adult settings.

i think Gaye's wrong is about the same as Bowie's. i'm less troubled by that one even though i think Gaye took advantage of Janis.

fuck you.

  

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113. "That's a level head response. While we are ranking predators. "
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From Worst to Not the Worst

Cosby - Though no one has come up underage, alot sound super vulnerable and he used drugs to take it against their will.
Polanski - Underage and used drugs to take against will.

Kellz - underage but I don't think there are reports that he took against someones will.

Woody Allen - - If true (and I strongly doubt) very young and was in a postion of authority. Saving grace is that at least he married her.

David Bowie - Young but willing (even the aggressors)
Marvin Gaye - Young But he loved her and even married her





>sure the girls/now-women involved had and have no complaints.
> but still...he and the others who were with those 2 girls
>took advantage of them, IMO. as savvy as the girls were they
>still just couldn't have known exactly that they were getting
>into. and it wasn't right for grown men who knew better to
>use them like that. thankfully these women ended up w/o
>regrets but it could've been so much worse for them as it has
>been for countless other similarly situated girls/now-women.
>it's sexual exploitation of children even if the kid(s)
>involved are okay w/what's happening.
>
>so i'm not down w/it even though i don't think DB's wrong is
>not as egregious as wrongs committed by similarly situated
>dudes.
>
>for example, i think Polanski's wrong is worse than Bowie's
>even though Polanski had fewer victims (only one AFAIK). it's
>b/c Polanski's victim complains about what happened and
>describes it as rape IIRC
>(http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/nov/03/roman-polanski-victim-samantha-geimer-extradition-refusal-the-right-thing).
>
>i think Kellz's wrong is worse than Bowie's b/c he had more
>'victims' and that damned video Kellz made has been circulated
>widely. so now that girl's/now-woman's exploitation is
>preserved for history. plus Kellz seems like a bit of a
>sexual predator in the way he goes after girls in kid settings
>whereas Bowie picked up girls in adult settings.
>
>i think Gaye's wrong is about the same as Bowie's. i'm less
>troubled by that one even though i think Gaye took advantage
>of Janis.
>


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116. "Kellz was textbook predator manipulation though "
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>Kellz - underage but I don't think there are reports that he
>took against someones will.

That's what makes his case so sinister (and imho why he had to settle so many cases after the fact since hearing someone lay out how he did what he did would have been damning in the court of public opinion).

Like the Bowie example its not as if they were groupies who snuck backstage or random fans that threw themselves at him.

Like the Gaye example its not as if it was a sexual attraction with someone he wanted a relationship with that happened to be young (WAAAAYY TOO YOUNG)

I can't even launch a Cosby defense where you can say those girls willingly came to his house/did drugs he said vs she said.

He purposely cruised high schools to seduce underaged women to have sex with him, some on film. His jersey has to go up in the celebrity rapist rafters, lol.

  

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135. "everybody mentioned in the same boat"
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bottom line its who they are and folks being seen and taken loot
and who is to say that Bowie, Gaye,Page,etc.. didn't settle and pay hush hush loot either or the record companys didn't pay for silence either?

ain't nothing new under the sun

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138. "Yeah I could see placing Kellz closer to Cos and Roman"
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>>Kellz - underage but I don't think there are reports that
>he
>>took against someones will.
>
>That's what makes his case so sinister (and imho why he had to
>settle so many cases after the fact since hearing someone lay
>out how he did what he did would have been damning in the
>court of public opinion).
>
>Like the Bowie example its not as if they were groupies who
>snuck backstage or random fans that threw themselves at him.
>
>Like the Gaye example its not as if it was a sexual attraction
>with someone he wanted a relationship with that happened to be
>young (WAAAAYY TOO YOUNG)
>
>I can't even launch a Cosby defense where you can say those
>girls willingly came to his house/did drugs he said vs she
>said.
>
>He purposely cruised high schools to seduce underaged women to
>have sex with him, some on film. His jersey has to go up in
>the celebrity rapist rafters, lol.


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122. "why do you doubt woody allen"
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who the fuck adopts a kid then married her?

sicko shit...

shut up already, damn

  

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125. "He didn't adopt her. "
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I read alot about it at the time.

It just doesn't add up.

Same with MJJ.

I read up alot about it. The case is weak against him too.


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164. "well he married her mom and became her step dad"
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and then he married her...

that shit is still sick and twisted and weird.

if any other man married his step daughter would you believe he never did anything with her until she was of age?

nah b, that shit ain't kosher

shut up already, damn

  

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202. "I am not, repeat, NOT, defending Woody Allen, but..."
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He and Mia Farrow were never married to each other.

  

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258. "Mos Def said it in a song so it had to have happened that way"
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facts be damned, Woody Allen molested and married his stepdaughter

  

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85. "People are funny man. Its why I don't care too much for the social outra..."
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Regarding these topics. People will plea cop who they like and shit on those they don't. Crazy how all of a sudden folk found a grey area.

  

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92. "yup... people talking about its cool cause she enjoyed it"
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shut up already, damn

  

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93. "Right."
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Like those teens ain't enjoy fucking Kellz in his mansion. But hey its whatever. I'm just observing. I have no dog in this fight.

  

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95. "It was only a couple of girls."
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101. "and boys...."
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and you know damn well it was more than a couple.

shut up already, damn

  

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94. "yea, cause statutory is black and white as shit"
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...........

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103. "...and i don't think it should be so black/white."
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there's grey in there.

fuck you.

  

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106. "i agree"
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not sure if my sarcasm was noticed

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105. "If it was Vanilla Ice everyone would be crucifying him."
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Like you tho, I have no dog in the fight for some reason.

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119. "RE: If it was Vanilla Ice everyone would be crucifying him."
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If Vanilla Ice had a threesome in the 70's with his ex wife and 14 year old?

No one would give two fucks....

If Vanilla Ice was known to have threesomeS with underage girls or had a threesome with a 14 year old in 2016?

People would most def. be crucifying him....

See the difference?

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133. "you right a certain type of white boy even gets looked differently"
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a soft looking cat like Bowie ain't seen as a threat,but let him look like Hulk Hogan and no matter what era that sirens is coming on.

yeah even in White folks its a different way to look

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109. "This."
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>Regarding these topics. People will plea cop who they like
>and shit on those they don't. Crazy how all of a sudden folk
>found a grey area.

  

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110. "#RealTalk"
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99. "Kellz."
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granted, if we ranking, Kellz is still worse.

but it's still some Kellz shit.

  

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112. "^^Succinct and accurate. "
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134. "your Kellz ate clouds your judgement and Jimmy Page was worse"
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and others also. however one ain't worse over the other, its all a sad bag no matter what. i love the talent of various artists, however i don't condone said acts.

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108. "the pleas copped and pretzel twisting is hilarious"
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I'm still gonna bump Lets Dance...

but come the fuck on.

I guess some people have to make excuses because they boycott kellz or some shit cause it's really not that hard to call it what it is...

white man done worked some of y'all over.

shut up already, damn

  

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111. ""It was the 70's" (c) Hannibal Burress"
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117. "this is where first I'd heard of it"
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http://freethoughtblogs.com/teacosy/2016/01/11/david-bowie-was-wonderful-he-was-also-an-abuser-how-do-we-handle-that/


when jay smooth posted a couple days ago.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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118. "wow. y'all really like r.kelly and cosby"
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http://perspectivesudans.blogspot.com/
i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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120. "RE: wow. y'all really like r.kelly and cosby"
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Right?

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123. "i dont think anyone likes Kellz besides mistermaxxx "
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damn near every post is pointing out the hypocrisy.

Shit like "but the girls liked it" or it was some backstage Shit....

I really don't see much of a difference between waiting after school or having baby groupies at your house for threesomes...

it all led to sex with minors. why is there a need to make excuses for Bowie?

shut up already, damn

  

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131. "if Bowie looked Like Suge Knight then turkeys would have him mentally"
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Lynched. Bowie ain't no different than R.Kelly and i don't condone folks behavior,however i seperate the artist and their personal lives and always have and always will.

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151. "He's white. Rjcc and Sarah_Bellum would reply to every defending"
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comment in here to call misogyny and woman hatred if Bowie was Black.
But now it's just "oh, I heard of this before" LOL.
You see this shit?
Rape is rape, right? Even if it was just one, it's too many! Right?
This ain't about us hating Black men, it's about rape! Right?
These mufuckas full of it.


>why is there a need to make excuses for Bowie?
>



I ain't trippin tho. Bowie did a lot of good just like Bill Cosby,
so I, personally, think that needs to be kept in mind. I'm just
cosigning the fact that there is a lot of acting BRAND NEW on the
part of alotta people on this OKP platform NOW.




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160. "say my name some more."
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or maybe go back to some shit I haven't replied to you on and beg for a response again.



www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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163. "the excuses are mind boggling"
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I get why their isn't outrage over this like Kellz due to how long ago it was but it's still statutory rape.

"it was only one time"

"she sounds like she enjoyed it"

"it was a different time back then"

gotdamn I can't believe these replies.



shut up already, damn

  

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169. "LOL. Y'all are funny style. And women haters"
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You wanna play the white man game, but Gaye gets as much of a pass as Bowie. I would be fine with this conversation if it was purely based on 'Bowie is or isn't a rapist' 'Even good celebs have shitty sides' etc, but it's very telling that off the bat we go into the 'BUT COSBY THOUGH' and even more disturbing 'BUT KELLZ THOUGH'

You guys just want to give passes to Cosby because why? That nigga ain't march for civil rights. That nigga ain't use his platform to speak out to racism. All he did was make fucking tv shows, that's it.
While its nice thinking of this big conspiracy trying to take down the chubby pudding eating bastard, I am M-U-C-H more concerned with the mundane and non-barbershop conversation worthy prison industrial complex eating our kids up who were truly

1)Innocent
2)Not self hating (that poundcake speech wasn't out of love)

ALL big Cosby did was have tv shows. That nigga aint Ghandi, MLK, Sidney Poitier, Oprah...

Even Coates has disavowed y'all

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/01/bill-cosby-and-his-enablers/422448/

So lets talk about if the skinny white bastard did or did not fuck 15 year olds and the social implications. Second y'all bring up 'DAT BILL COSBY THOUGH' you immediately go into the category of people I wouldn't leave around my hypothetical kids, my girlfriend or my drinks, lol.

  

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170. "eeh, i dont see how Kellz isnt in this discussion"
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fucking underage girls is the story and both these guys make music so how in the hell is kellz NOT going to be in the discussion on OKP?

As far as Cosby goes... I don't think you can deny the impact of his TV Shows. That's foolish.

but I kinda agree that Cosby doesn't really belong in this discussion.


oh, and how does trying to get everyone to Shit on Bowie fucking baby groupies make us woman haters? that's weird.

y'all really think defending Bowie doesn't make you a woman hater?

shut up already, damn

  

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172. "Id this was a pure Bowie/underage rape discussion sure"
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>oh, and how does trying to get everyone to Shit on Bowie
>fucking baby groupies make us woman haters? that's weird.
>
>y'all really think defending Bowie doesn't make you a woman
>hater?

That's not whats happening here. As to the point that kells would pop up in any kind of discussion about stars/underaged, you're right. But its not:

"YOU, THAT BOWIE IS AS BAD AS KELLS!" (hyperbole, but fuck it, I can rock with that argument)

to

"KELLZ, WAS JUST DOING WHAT OTHER KATS WERE DOING! SEE!"

lol.

Id expect the responses to go 3 ways here

1)Bowie was fucked up indivisual
2)The past was crazy to what was allowed
3)Man vs art stuff

on the third point id even understand if we throw cosby in there as a side example among others, but right now the post is half cosby, lol

  

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179. "3/4 of the cosby talk is by cosby haters"
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and I don't think it matter what people say about Kellz..

Bowie was fucking 13 and 14 year old girls and boys.

it should be shock and awe hell nah...

but I'm seeing pleas like shit for Bowie and its disgusting.

i will still play his hits but damn, why is it so hard to Shit on these white dudes? just makes people look like hypocrites and lovers of the white mans cold ass ice

shut up already, damn

  

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286. "which boys?"
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>Bowie was fucking 13 and 14 year old girls and boys.

where's the article that says this
cause all i've seen is the 14 year old girl

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173. "Damn bruh, you're just flat out LYING to prove your non-point, LOL"
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You say this about Bill Cosby...


>That nigga ain't use his platform to speak out to racism.


Oh really? Then what the fuck is this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbzF1JFLOMI




>I am M-U-C-H more
>concerned with the mundane and non-barbershop conversation
>worthy prison industrial complex eating our kids up who were
>truly

Great, let's talk about it!

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181. "1968 huh. What a fucking timely news clip, lol."
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Its alot easier to speak about racism when you're just an actor/comedian as opposed to when you've got real power to change the game...when he reached that level it was all about 'fix your sagging jeans' like the rest of the 'new black' celebs.

  

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182. "huh? that doesnt make any damn sense"
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you can hate Cosby for the rape allegations but cmon bruh...

easy for a celeb to speak on racism in 1968? really???

shut up already, damn

  

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183. "Black Celeb, absolutely."
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Even in the Nina Simone doc they mentioned how it was hard for black artist to NOT speak out on what was happening around them. Those were different times where we were galvanized and even celebs couldn't hide in ivory towers at a certain point (not gonna say it didnt take a whole to get the ball rolling on their end though, but by the late 60's it was a full burning fire)

Either way, its easy to throw stones when you're still outside of the establishment then when you've got enough power to supposedly buy NBC; you saw a different Cosby then this one was by then.

  

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188. "it was hard to not speak out because Bill and Nina were black"
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However, we also saw what happened to Nina's career due to speaking out.

The black dust at the Olympics didn't play out so well back home either.

shit wasn't easy to do, you were taking a gamble with your career by speaking out.

shut up already, damn

  

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197. "True."
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The blowback was still heavy for many black artists and there was risk involved.

I still push my bigger point; Bill Cosby's biggest contribution were his shows showing 'regular' black life at a time where we were still heavily marginalized. Its not as if he was an activist like his acting peers like Belefonte or Portier, and while he heavily donated money to higher education for black folks after he became a bazillionaire he did it from a heavy respectability politics stance.

We look at Cosby as 'one of ours' but his run for the past 15 years or so it wasn't necessarily the case.

  

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240. "i feel you but once you make bizzillions you are no longer one of us"
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Jay Z tried to show up at Occupy Wall St. and people have the side eye.

it's damn near impossible to be one of us once you make insane amounts of money.

but it's not like Bill started making White Shows once he had a chance to make what he wanted... he made black shows that out us in a good light and that counts for something IMO.

shut up already, damn

  

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185. "A simple "I was wrong" would suffice bruh."
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285. "exactly"
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>I would be fine with this conversation if it
>was purely based on 'Bowie is or isn't a rapist' 'Even good
>celebs have shitty sides' etc, but it's very telling that off
>the bat we go into the 'BUT COSBY THOUGH' and even more
>disturbing 'BUT KELLZ THOUGH'


at this point this is not even so much a discussion of whether or not bowie was a statutory rapist in his twenties
but a why are we not giving kellz and cosby a pass
because.... bowie

its really disturbing logic
and the only way i can explain it is that these people must really love kellz and cosby
they will latch onto any excuse to BUT COSBY THOUGH.

either that or they (privately) see nothing wrong with their behaviour
but cannot admit that openly -as though we dont already know they are shitty individuals


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459. "Only thing being said is that Bowie should be on the hook too"
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Not that anyone else should be off.
Keep hiding from your internalized racism tho.
Shit's rampant on okp... an epidemic.

There are people in this very post, agreeing with you, who are saying
it wasn't a big deal "in those times", but you aren't calling them
on that shit... but you got so much concern for the victims, psh.
Get all the way the fuck outta here.

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165. "Seriously"
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166. "that or they just dislike US."
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which is fine b/c i wouldn't piss on most of them if they were on fire.

but i suspect most of the pearl-clutching in here is not out of actual concern for the girls Bowie banged as much as it's an attempt to catch us in some sort of 'GOTCHA!' trap.

fuck them.

fuck you.

  

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195. "THIS"
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213. "they don't get it"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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283. "yep"
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Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

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293. "Right"
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Folks love trying to find a double standard, even if it's just not there. There's plenty of hypocrisy to get outraged over, but comparing Bowie to R Kelly or Bill Cosby is barking up the wrong tree. The devil is in the details.

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322. "^^^"
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>but i suspect most of the pearl-clutching in here is not out
>of actual concern for the girls Bowie banged as much as it's
>an attempt to catch us in some sort of 'GOTCHA!' trap.


but i also think they agree with the actions of r.kelly and cosby
why? because there is something wrong with *those* women they victimized

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121. "different day and age...EVERYONE got away with it "
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Most still do

i knew a girl and her crew (high school) who sought out every singer/group that came to town.

..and that was in the 90's

Same story for a relative and her crew (underage)who was a fav of the cash $ crew

...and that was in ...well..you get the point.

There's a difference between a predator and someone like (fill in the blank with a 70's musician)

That shit on Almost Famous only scratched the surface of what was going on back then

Shit was wild back then!!

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136. "it ain't changed the music business still Pimping and turning out tricks"
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folks gonna say oh ain't the same media, but guess what? the casting couch ain't nothing new
and it works for both sides, both ways
and anything goes.

its easy to pin a tale on somebody when its visible, however how many many,many other cases that ain't half of the freakyness?

folks see and tell what they want and the rest looks the other way.

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124. "anyone trying to discredit it being "the 70's" is really ignoring histor..."
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Until the early 1900's, it was perfectly acceptable in this country for a man over 18 years of age to have sex with a 10-12 year old (the age of consent laws on the books then went as low as 10 and as high as 12). I would go so far as to say that many of you in this very discussion have a grandfather or great-grand relative that married a "child", in today's context, while he was over 18 years old and started popping out kids with her likely before her 16th birthday.

After the turn of the century there was a shift where the consent laws were changed to 16-18, though some states still had their old laws intact. Further muddying this is the fact that some states have lower age of consent for marriage and when married the sexual age of consent doesn't apply.

Even after these limits were raised, the act of a grown man having sex with a 16-18 year old still didn't have the stigma it has today. Honestly it wasn't really until the 80's were society started to really frown on it.

So, contextually, many men in the US leading up to the 1920's would today be considered child predators whereas in their day the shit was just "normal".

It was "the 70's", shit was wild and what Bowie did wasn't unheard of of shocking in the least bit. In 2016 he would be in prison, raped, beaten, maybe murdered while in prison, and when (if) he got out he'd be a registered sex offender, scourge of society.

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132. "George Washington and the slave owning Presidents"
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own all of that believe me on that

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145. "exactly"
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and as such their having sex with slaves that today would be "underage" was a normal part of their lives as well as many other slave owning men of that era.

Different times have different societal norms. What was once seen as a normal part of life often times fall out of favor and become seen as "savage" or what have you. At the same time, many things that were once seen as indecent becomes normalized in "modern" societies (i.e. a shirtless man in public could have been arrested for indecency many years ago but theses days no one bats an eyelash at it).

  

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147. "and nobody in congress is protesting the dead presidents on the bills"
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those turkeys broke ever law that know equals 3 strikes.

George Washington is the richest president ever
and he owes it to Slavery
and doing what he wanted to do.

so many people don't even question the very men on the money and coins, but all of them benefited from slavery
and selling my ancestors at any age at auctions, etc..

now that is wrong,and yet what country still celebrates presidents day but got issues with COlumbus day?

ain't it almost one and the same?

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162. "George Washington was gay!"
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I doubt he had sex with any female slaves. There is so much evidence on his homosexuality it is kray! He wrote love letters. He spent NO time at home with Martha. She had no kids with him and he spent a peculiar amount time with a young man.

Maybe other white men but not GW

Rise & Shine
Thrive & Grind
Heart & Mind

  

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152. "Still happens in 3rd world countires..."
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WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
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221. "pretty much..."
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Coolin...

  

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126. "Jodie Foster,Brooke Shields,Krystie Mchnichols and Linda Blair all turne..."
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on the big screen and small and all those movies in the late 70's and nobody said a word.

Brooke Shields stayed being Pimped by her momma on that Escort tip.

nobody even raised an eyelash.

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

  

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137. "Bowie was on that Illuminati tip"
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because al the signs were there. and I respect his talents and liked some of his songs, however he was covered.

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

  

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139. "gay sex was illegal then too..."
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none of the men he had sex with could consent either LEGALLY.

i think we know more about why sex with teenagers is bad now and mores have changed.

we've softened on gay sex acts and hardened our stance on consexual sex between teenagers and 20 somethings.

it was STILL morally wrong and criminally wrong.

but probably not as morally wrong as the people who marry young teenagers with parental permission which is legal in many states.

definitely not as morrally wrong as seeking out teenage girls and drugging them and raping them against their consent.

definitely not wrong as getting into sadistic sexual relationships with young girls and taping them for yours and others viewing pleasure.

  

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140. "i don't think so. not like this."
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>none of the men he had sex with could consent either LEGALLY.

AFAIK, when it came to prohibited sex acts between adults (which, btw, usually included PLENTY of breeder sex acts like cunnilingus, fellatio and anal sex, among others) BOTH (or SEVERAL) of the ppl involved could be charged criminally w/o regard for whether any of them gave consent. lack of consent was not an element to most sodomy charges. so if 2 men are found having fellatio in their bedroom at home they could BOTH be charged w/violation of a sodomy statute. someone might also be charged w/a sexual assault depending on the nature of the criminal complaint.

whereas if a man is found having fellatio w/a minor in his bedroom only he can be charged w/sexual assault - b/c the law says the minor can't consent and lack of consent is an element in one of the charges the state would bring. of course, before Lawrence v Texas that adult man might also be charged w/some form of sodomy depending on the jurisdiction.

fuck you.

  

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146. "Fine. I should have wrote consensual gay sex was illegal. "
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Not gays could not consent.


  

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148. "i get it."
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fuck you.

  

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149. "IIRC gay sex had a different age of consent"
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21 or 22 was the low end depending on the jurisdiction. NAMBLA was the group that fought to have it changed. Prior to it, a 25 year old gay man having sex with a 19-20 year old gay man could be charged with not just sodomy, but sexual assault or statutory rape.


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Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

  

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141. "That broad is one of the top 5 famous groupies of all time"
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>I read this and my jaw kind of dropped.
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>https://www.thrillist.com/entertainment/nation/i-lost-my-virginity-to-david-bowie
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>I saw Almost Famous, but I've never really heard anything
>about this scene or the notion of Baby Groupies.
>
>Were rock stars like David Bowie, Iggy Pop, Mick Jagger, Rod
>Stewart, Alice Cooper, etc. rapist or is it more complicated
>than that? Were times different?
>
>Yahoo News had an article entitled "The Complicated Sexual
>History of David Bowie". Is that a pass to frame it like
>that?
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>We gonna talk about it or let it lay there?
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>**********
>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
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>"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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143. "Nm"
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>>I read this and my jaw kind of dropped.
>>
>>https://www.thrillist.com/entertainment/nation/i-lost-my-virginity-to-david-bowie
>>
>>I saw Almost Famous, but I've never really heard anything
>>about this scene or the notion of Baby Groupies.
>>
>>Were rock stars like David Bowie, Iggy Pop, Mick Jagger,
>Rod
>>Stewart, Alice Cooper, etc. rapist or is it more complicated
>>than that? Were times different?
>>
>>Yahoo News had an article entitled "The Complicated Sexual
>>History of David Bowie". Is that a pass to frame it like
>>that?
>>
>>We gonna talk about it or let it lay there?
>>
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>>**********
>>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>>
>>"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
>

  

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150. "hmmmm...."
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I mean, i'm not surprised. I've read enough biographies to know that I wouldn't be friends with almost all of my musical heroes.

I agree with Sowhat about the degrees of wrong. Statutory rape is not the same thing (for me) as sex by force/without consent. Cosby is wronger than Kells, Bowie, Gaye, Page et al.

At the same time....I would still watch the Cosby show with my kids. The show isn't about drugging and raping women. In Kell's case....it would seem like some of his work IS about (or alludes to) having sex with underage girls. I'm not gonna listen to a song about him being a pied piper.

I'm not gonna fall into the trap of trying to excuse D Bowie's behavour. I also don't think it's 'inappropriate' to bring it up just because he recently died. I think that much of this thread is over-exaggerating the 'era' argument. People weren't cool with having sex with 14 year olds in the 70's. I think music stars on drugs were just generally assholes who had a sort of impunity because these stories weren't told at the time. The nature of the internet has torn down some of the built-in protection that celebrities had. If someone HAD tried to document this stuff in the 70's the industry could blacklist them and make sure their voice wasn't heard. That power and control doesn't exist anymore. And race certainly played a huge role in HOW that power and control was exercised.

Got me to thinking....just say I'm Paul McCartney. Should I try to address these things before I die? I wonder how receptive people would be to a formal, well-thought out apology\acknowledgement that was respectful to past victims. One that didn't shift blame to the 'era'....one that didn't say 'well everybody was doing it'....one that took ownership and accountability. There's not a doubt in my mind that at least some of these guys are haunted by this shit. Especially now that they got grandkids. I wonder if that might be worth something. Nobody's tried that....it may do some good.

  

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153. "But it wasn't "too early" and "in poor taste" in the Welsing post, eh?"
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Where is rjcc to bamm up the post, shouting down everyone who isn't
calling him a rapist?
Now it's just "oh, I heard about that once" lmao.

Even if it was just one, it's too many!
So much for that line of utter bullshit.

But it's whatever... like I said elsewhere in the post, Bowie did
a lot of good just like Bill Cosby, and I'm cool with talking about
the good with the bad, but it's mighty strange how there's a whole
gang of you clowns who go EXTRA hard on Black folks who did this
same shit while just glossing over the white dude's offenses.
Yet you can tell me I'm spitting some freshman year AF-AM studies
shit when I tell you white supremacy got your permed head fucked up.
Man if you don't gtfoh.

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157. "I'm unclear as to your position."
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Do you think it's in poor taste or not?

I get that you're saying there's a double standard. But what do you think the standard should be?

  

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209. "RE: I'm unclear as to your position."
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>Do you think it's in poor taste or not?
>
>I get that you're saying there's a double standard. But what
>do you think the standard should be?


I do think it's in poor taste to start in with the disparaging
essays and comments right after someone passes. I'd have to give
more thought to what the wait time should be, but let people mourn
their lost loved one for a month or so at least.
I'd have a lot more respect for this kind of thing if someone showed
up later like "I didn't wanna say this while you all were in the
total shock phase of mourning, but..."
People on here aren't consistent tho. It's only in poor taste when
they like the person. Not only does the immediacy of their bashing
say so, but the fact that they completely ignore the 99% of positive
contributions said person made to society (in these cases in particular).

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269. "I should apologize."
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I was one of the posters who was asking about Welsing and her alleged racism against whites in the RIP post. I can only assume it was taken down partly because of my involvement. I made a decision to be more sensitive about that in the future and I'm sorry if anything I wrote pissed you off.

I guess I just need to remember that other people want that time after someone dies. For me....it could be my biggest hero in the world and I wouldn't get offended if there was debate about their character or perceived flaws. But I need to remember that not everyone is like me and it's really not that hard to respect other people's wishes in this regard. I could have waited a month or two to ask about anything that I perceived to be unethical about her work and it would've been no skin off my nose. So I'm sorry about that.

And I agree that whatever stance someone makes it should be independent of how they feel about a particular person. Unless it's Hitler. He would've been an exception. lol

  

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321. "Nah, you good."
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I don't remember you saying anything
offensive the last time I saw it.

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158. "since I spent the last 12 days covering two of the world's biggest "
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tradeshows.

I've been mostly asleep.

but that's not your actual concern here.

you don't give a shit about these girls, just like you don't give a shit about cosby's accusers.

quit lying b.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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176. "You don't give a shit about any of these women and girls."
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You are a piece of shit on these boards who's found that it's the
only way ppl cosign anything you say. No way this is the only time
you can understand empathy and human decency. You're a fraud.

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180. "chill out bruh, that man has been working hard"
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surely he would have been on,here shouting down Bowie if he wasn't at the car show.



shut up already, damn

  

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192. "Lol..."
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He'll be off if another Black man shows up in the news on something similar

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200. "well the car show is only 2 weeks, but bashing black men is forever!!"
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shut up already, damn

  

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206. "lmao"
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216. "this is an interesting exchange."
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it's almost like

>>>You are a piece of shit on these boards who's found that it's the
only way ppl cosign anything you say.


keep enjoying those cosigns from your buddy!

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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218. "Nah, just laughing at you, that's all."
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Don't read anything else into it... except that two random people
on the internet see you for the piece of shit that you are.

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220. "except you guys aren't random"
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you're two people who've bonded over shared interest in doubting rape victims.

that you two also don't like me is very much ok.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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222. "And that's exactly why this shit is unbelievable coming from you..."
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>you're two people who've bonded over shared interest in
>doubting rape victims.


Not only is that a lie, but you find a way to get back to it when
it isn't even the topic of conversation. You cling to the lie like
someone desperate for something. Like I said, you're full of shit.


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224. "if you disagree w/ your boy that's between y'all"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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229. "Oh ok"
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243. "lmao... rjcc doing everything but shitting on Bowie "
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and thats all niggas are pointing out...

but he won't do it.

white mans ice be so cold, so cold!!!

shut up already, damn

  

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