"Would you fight a homeless shelter being put up on your block?" Wed Nov-11-15 05:23 PM by Buddy_Gilapagos
We heard that a government building on my block in BK is being converted into a homeless shelter and someone emailed the block emailing list if they heard anything about it.
Yo these folks were tripping over themselves to say how they would welcome such an addition to our neighborhood.
Meanwhile they are raving mad about the new Barclay's center housing developments in the very same email.
I kind of want to call them on their bullshit but maybe it's me.
I can see the messed up gentrification politics if I moved to a block with a shelter and raised hell to get it closed but am I fcuked up for NOT wanting a shelter on my block?
Is there a way to not sound like an Asshole and say maybe it won't be a great thing to have on the block?
The funny thing is that the only people to raise concern on the email list are the black and brown people and the white folks are going all out to say how much they approve it (to be fair, one dude on the block is a homeless law advocate but yeah).
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1. "yes because this city doesn't need any more shelters" In response to Reply # 0 Wed Nov-11-15 05:42 PM by teefiveten
i'd rather see it as permanent supportive housing
and i won't even front like i don't dislike passing by the shelter over on bedford. it can be a little scary for EVERYONE. including the folks who use that shelter
9. "most folks don't even know/realize its in their neighborhood either" In response to Reply # 6
and every nabe thinks they have the most
i don't know if it's still true but up until a few years ago, the upper west side actually had that crown. that's where i used to work. the housing is GREAT
20. "then just say it's bullshit" In response to Reply # 10
it's absolutely bullshit there's no reason why it can't be permanent and supportive it's so much less money in the long run and there are enough experienced developers and service agencies
shelters are a cop out and are dangerous for everyone
30. "if you talking bout the armory i feel you. I have to drive by at 8am in ..." In response to Reply # 1
morning sometimes and there's always fools out there arguing or yelling or just chilling in the street. smh
I hate getting caught at that light.
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7. "answer: Yes I would fight it " In response to Reply # 3 Wed Nov-11-15 05:41 PM by rdhull
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11. "with perfect diction" In response to Reply # 8
> >********** >"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then >they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson > >Movies I need y'all bastids to see so we can discuss: > >Five Star - https://goo.gl/jBHbVv >Appropriate Behavior - http://goo.gl/isCzTM >Ma
4. "Not sure if I'd fight it but I wouldn't be thrilled" In response to Reply # 0
There are already a couple like 6-8 blocks away and my block doesn't even have sidewalks or anything so adding a bunch of foot traffic would be a mess.
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79594 posts
Thu Nov-12-15 06:59 AM
26. "Its easy to be prgressive from a distance" In response to Reply # 14
But once you have kids...
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
13. "RE: Would you fight a homeless shelter being put up on your block?" In response to Reply # 0
For what it’s worth, we live near the shelter at the armory at Bedford/Marcus Garvey and we were told by a rep from the 81st precinct (a black woman in one of those “Off the record, I’ll be real with y’all moments) that a big percentage the crime in our area was committed by men from the shelter or folks from the nearby public housing units.
15. "Didn't you have crackheads fucking on your doorstep? " In response to Reply # 0
Maybe they'd move indoors. What exactly are you afraid of?
I wouldn't care. I walk out my back door and into my car. My neighborhood is small apartment buildings and small mansions mostly. Some of those mansions are single family homes, some are a little shabby, some have million dollar renovations, some are frat houses, some are international student housing, some halfway houses. I don't know which ones are halfway / supportive houses. I've just heard about it on the news. But, it's a mix and it's fine.
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79594 posts
Wed Nov-11-15 08:00 PM
17. "crime, squatters, pissing and shitting, begging, depreciating value" In response to Reply # 15
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79594 posts
Wed Nov-11-15 09:00 PM
19. "she works from home... in Omaha" In response to Reply # 18
and prolly walks to and from her car and that's it
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79594 posts
Thu Nov-12-15 10:05 AM
32. "well you said you walk out the back door to your car...." In response to Reply # 31 Thu Nov-12-15 10:10 AM by legsdiamond
which gave the impression to I avoid striking past those places...
and you also said "neighborhood"
I think Buddy said on the same block in BK. That's way different IMO.
and homeless people on the street is different than a homeless shelter.
I see homeless people all the time in Charlotte and they don't bother me... but if I walked out my house and saw a line of 40 waiting for a shelter to open when there are only 20 open beds? nah
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
39. "not always, but i would and could if it became a problem..." In response to Reply # 32
i've said before i don't let homeless men get within arms length of me.
mostly the homeless here like to panhandle at the lights before you get on and off the interstate and sometimes i will give the women money or food if i have any, never the men.
which ya'll find scandalous. but that's how i do.
i grew up in (in part) in the 80s bronx and can co-exist quite alright with homeless, crackheads and the poor.
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79594 posts
Thu Nov-12-15 12:53 PM
40. "girl you were a toddler in the 80's... stop frontin" In response to Reply # 39
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79594 posts
Wed Nov-11-15 07:56 PM
16. "i worked for a homeless shelter for 3 years in Richmond" In response to Reply # 0
and I would be first in line to say hell no... not on my block.
**************** TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*
There's a charity that started subsidizing housing in my building recently. 'Angels of Something rather'. More mental illness and drugs. I finally confronted the paranoid screaming every night in the hallway. He cowered quick but I'm not sure if it's because I was carrying a baseball bat or if he was genuinely intimidated by me. It takes all types.
27. "just be you." In response to Reply # 0 Thu Nov-12-15 07:37 AM by SoWhat
>Is there a way to not sound like an Asshole and say maybe it >won't be a great thing to have on the block?
no.
i lived on a block w/a homeless shelter (it was at the end of the block) and never had a problem w/them. there was drama but somehow it never came down the block toward my building. so that colors my answer. plus it's too easy to get all 'not in my backyard' w/this issue...well it's gotta go in someone's backyard.
and i agree w/Tara that shelters aren't the best solution to the problem of homelessness and aren't a solution at all, really. but they're needed as too many ppl find themselves in need of emergency shelter NOW and can't wait on a long-term solution that'll involve bureaucracy and applications and approvals and all that jazz. some folks need a place to sleep TONIGHT. NOW. shelters are for them. some of those folks will be in crisis due to a drug problem or a mental health problem or a combination. some of them will be loud and stinky. they will bring drama. it's possible for the folks running the shelter to do so in a manner that will minimize the negative impact on the block on which the shelter exists. i've seen that. but i've also seen the opposite. so i understand the concern. still, yeah...opposing the shelter is going to make you seem like an asshole. either get over that and oppose on or don't oppose.
28. "But you can minimize the assholishness with specificity." In response to Reply # 27
Limit your objections to specific concerns with the plan for THIS particular shelter as opposed to generalized objections about shelters rooted in stereotypes about shelters or the ppl who use them and/or operate them. You want to avoid opposing ppl - oppose the plan.
43. "I was kind of thinking with the shelter there there might be less" In response to Reply # 27
homeless people around my block? I mean are people going to sleep on my street like they currently do (did I tell my cleaning up human shit story?) when there is a shelter right there? Is that possibly a thing?
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33. "I'd need all the info on who will be administering it" In response to Reply # 0
Do they have other shelters that they run? What's their track record like?
There's a shelter in downtown Atlanta that is run TERRIBLY...scores people outside all day long, open air drug dealing, hookers, you name it...they even had a damn tuberculosis outbreak on that block a couple years ago. It's definitely holding the area back in a number of ways and they can't seem to get it shut down.
But maybe less than 5 minutes away is another shelter ran by a church that is quiet and well structured and you'd never know it was there unless someone told you.
Resources for the homeless (especially regarding physical and mental wellness) are important and they have to go somewhere. I'd just need the full scope of who/what is involved before I bless it or break out the pitchforks.
42. "on my block? no....next door?? i'd just be leary" In response to Reply # 0
we already have a lot of homeless folk living in a camp less than a mile from me and under bridges nearby, but they don't bother me at all...
I've been working with homeless folk off and on for about a year now, and I'd be leary just because I've noticed how they just hang out outside the shelters after they close and I really wouldn't be cool with them just sitting around outside my house as I pull off and go to work each day....
I think shelters work as a temporary solution... I did just hear yesterday about how some people tried to fight a shelter being built across the street from a church, but the shelter people went over the zoning board's head and got it done anyway, or was it the city council's head...I forget....
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50. "then, again, address your concerns w/THIS particular shelter" In response to Reply # 46
and oppose the plan for THIS shelter for specific reasons related to the details of the plan as opposed to opposing the idea of homeless ppl being housed temporarily on your block.
oppose the plan and not the ppl.
even if your actual opposition is to the ppl - if you want to minimize the assholishness then oppose the plan and not the ppl.
48. "you know they see it the same as welcoming black ppl on their block. " In response to Reply # 44 Fri Nov-13-15 02:17 PM by ndibs
like the mainstream idea is blacks are poor and terrible neighbors. while they may still believe this, the liberal thing to do is to welcome the idea of having blacks in the neighborhood and see how it goes. they've met you and lived around you and survived so now they're bolstered in their beliefs that they can live around diversity.
basically they may not be crazy about having people like you around or homeless people. they know the stereotypes. but, they welcome OTHER like you and like homeless people as a liberal and they will see how it goes. guess i'm saying your neighbors could be worse.
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