-DJ R-Tistic- Member since Nov 06th 2008 51986 posts
Thu Nov-05-15 02:24 AM
1. "So, we're actually just six years away from NBA 75. " In response to Reply # 0
Meaning they're gonna honor the 25 greatest players since 1996. And I feel he might be able to grab a spot.
Kobe, Lebron, AI, Duncan, Steve Nash (because of MVPs), Dirk, maybe Dwyane Wade, Gary Payton, and several others will be on that list for sure. I figure Durant and Steph will be solidified by then.
They actually put Shaq on that original list prematurely after only four years with no rings or MVPs, but they just KNEW he would earn that spot, which he did. Still, imagine if he had got hurt in 97 and never played again.
1. kobe 2. duncan 3. AI 4. durant 5. lebron 6. nique 7. GP 8. kidd 9. nash 10. pierce 11. KG 12. dirk 13. mcadoo 14. reggie 15. ray allen 16. cp3 17. bernard 18. wade 19. pau 20. melo 21. english 22. steph 23. vince 24. dantley 25. anthony davis (the shaq treatment)
i could see dennis johnson and maybe c webb getting in as well.
10. "The original list is one of my pet peeves" In response to Reply # 1
Too many old timey white dudes. 40% of the players on the 50 Greatest Players List either voted on the list or had a teammate who voted on the list. You will never convince me that the 4th option on the '64 Celtics (I just made that up) is a better basketball player than say, Baron Davis.
-DJ R-Tistic- Member since Nov 06th 2008 51986 posts
Thu Nov-05-15 12:21 PM
22. "I feel it's more about accomplishments and productivity at that time" In response to Reply # 10
So even if a 3rd or 4th option for the Celtics would be "rated lower on 2K" than Baron Davis or even a Lamar Odom, due to skills and all...it's more about what they accomplished, how high they were ranked at the time, what their averages were, and all of that.
Basically, we know Lamar, Baron, Elton Brand would be like Top 3 in the league in the 50's or 60's...but because they weren't ever Top 3 in their era, they wouldn't get the nod over them. So I can get that.
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79711 posts
Thu Nov-05-15 09:47 AM
4. "if he does this for the rest of his career... he will be top 10" In response to Reply # 0
this kid is hitting nothing but net while 40ft from the basket...
every
fucking
night
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24. "It doesn't seem like HE thinks it's awkward" In response to Reply # 15
I’ve been reading those couple of comments along the lines of an assumption that some people are going to be clutching their pearls at the mere notion that he’s about to enter that elite category.
Frankly, I agree. A lot of dudes in the office have said he’s still not there, he has too much help, if he can’t shoot he’s useless, not as good as *insert whatever guards they grew up watching*. I don’t think BW thinks it’s awkward, but plenty of people probably will.
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14. "Will he be? Obviously. The question is is he already." In response to Reply # 0
Also it's crazy how many guys have put themselves in the running in 25 years. They may actually have to take some dudes OFF the original list. Shaq was already on there but check out this list of guys who I think will 100% be on the NBA @75 List:
Dirk KG Kobe Steph Pierce AI Nash LeBron Wade TMac Duncan Ray Ray CP3 Kidd GP
Then you have a lot of strong arguables such as Yao D12 Brow Manu T5T Melo Bosh A Gasol or two Grant Hill Kawhi Harden Webber
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25. "RE: Will he be? Obviously. The question is is he already." In response to Reply # 14
>Also it's crazy how many guys have put themselves in the >running in 25 years. They may actually have to take some dudes >OFF the original list. Shaq was already on there but check out >this list of guys who I think will 100% be on the NBA @75 >List: > >Dirk >KG >Kobe >Steph - nope >Pierce - nope >AI >Nash - nope >LeBron >Wade >TMac - nope >Duncan >Ray Ray - hellz no >CP3 - nah >Kidd >GP > > >Then you have a lot of strong arguables such as >Yao >D12 >Brow >Manu >T5T >Melo >Bosh >A Gasol or two >Grant Hill >Kawhi >Harden >Webber
^to hell w/just abt ALL the names above...there is no strong case for any of them to crack that 50 greatest
27. "There are several players in the annals who deserve consideration before..." In response to Reply # 26
both of them
Harden just became an elite player just *2* seasons ago and Howard doesn't make the cut-off...he's simply not a GREAT player and he certainly isn't 1 of the 75 greatest to ever play
>Howard and Harden both have strong chances at a minimum. Plus >there's already 15 locks to add, none of which I think you can >dispute.
31. "jesus dude, are this dense?" In response to Reply # 27
we're not making the list *RIGHT TODAY* and even if he were howard would probably make it (though i dont think i'd put him there), we're talking about it in a few years when they put together the team.
and i agree that there are some players who were left off that should not have been (e.g. bob mcadoo) but what i am trying to say is that there may or may not be room to look at those guys. you've got the original 50 plus 15 locks, that's 65, and there is still more time for guys to distinguish themselves. and FOH that anthony davis has "no chance," he just needs to keep on keepin' on and yes he will be there, same for harden, and howard may already have done about enough. that would push the list to 18, seven spots left, and about as many years until they pick the team. i didn't even mention guys who are all potential at this point like wiggins but in that time span, sure, he may also be in the conversation.
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32. "RE no but your list is" In response to Reply # 31
It will be debatable if Howard will be a 1st ballot HOFer
I'm not sure he's more deserving than someone like ZO to be included on such a list
And even if you're pronecting Howard still doesn't belong because its clear he's not the same player he was in Orlando...so it ain't like he's going to get better as he's getting older
And it is still too premature to be thinking of Harden as an all-time great when he hasn't even played at an elite level for 5 yrs lol...you probably would've said the same abt D Rose 5 yrs ago and look at him now
I'd take Sid Moncrief over Harden
Manu? Love em to death but there ain't no "strong case" for on anyone's 75 greatest players list lol
AD is already injury prone...has yet to play one FULL SEASON and he"s young
>we're not making the list *RIGHT TODAY* and even if he were >howard would probably make it (though i dont think i'd put him >there), we're talking about it in a few years when they put >together the team. > >and i agree that there are some players who were left off that >should not have been (e.g. bob mcadoo) but what i am trying to >say is that there may or may not be room to look at those >guys. you've got the original 50 plus 15 locks, that's 65, and >there is still more time for guys to distinguish themselves. >and FOH that anthony davis has "no chance," he just needs to >keep on keepin' on and yes he will be there, same for harden, >and howard may already have done about enough. that would push >the list to 18, seven spots left, and about as many years >until they pick the team. i didn't even mention guys who are >all potential at this point like wiggins but in that time >span, sure, he may also be in the conversation.
34. "RE: RE no but your list is" In response to Reply # 32
>It will be debatable if Howard will be a 1st ballot HOFer
So? Lots of guys on the list weren't. And again, he is one *very* possible one in addition to 15 locks and a handful of guys that could emerge. I think they missed 8-10 guys on the first list. This is about whether or not they will revisit those guys, and if so if they will go on in favor of some marginal selections from the first list (e.g. dumars, arizin).
>I'm not sure he's more deserving than someone like ZO to be >included on such a list
I thought about him, I'd say he is on the second list of possibles, definitely not a lock.
>And even if you're pronecting Howard still doesn't belong >because its clear he's not the same player he was in >Orlando...so it ain't like he's going to get better as he's >getting older
No but he was a huge star there and he remains an important player. So if he has another say five seasons like this it would be hard to keep him off.
>And it is still too premature to be thinking of Harden as an >all-time great when he hasn't even played at an elite level >for 5 yrs lol...you probably would've said the same abt D Rose >5 yrs ago and look at him now
Again, that's why he is a potential selection and not a lock.
>I'd take Sid Moncrief over Harden
LOL, I kinda hate Harden and I don't think I'd go that far. Moncrief was a good player. I think the biggest omissions were McAdoo, King and Dantley. I forgot about Wilkins being omitted so yeah he definitely should go on also.
>Manu? Love em to death but there ain't no "strong case" for on >anyone's 75 greatest players list lol > >AD is already injury prone...has yet to play one FULL SEASON >and he"s young
he has yet to have any sort of serious or chronic injury, so i'm not going to speculate. that's a (very small) part of why he is a potential selection and not a lock
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36. "I would remove TMac from up top...and delete your whole bottom list" In response to Reply # 14
None of those guys at the bottom belong in the conversation with the 50 we already have.
>Also it's crazy how many guys have put themselves in the >running in 25 years. They may actually have to take some dudes >OFF the original list. Shaq was already on there but check out >this list of guys who I think will 100% be on the NBA @75 >List: > >Dirk >KG >Kobe >Steph >Pierce >AI >Nash >LeBron >Wade >TMac >Duncan >Ray Ray >CP3 >Kidd >GP > > >Then you have a lot of strong arguables such as >Yao >D12 >Brow >Manu >T5T >Melo >Bosh >A Gasol or two >Grant Hill >Kawhi >Harden >Webber
20. "I'm all about sustained excellence over a significant length of time" In response to Reply # 0 Thu Nov-05-15 12:14 PM by final_prospect82
there's been plenty of players with a good 2-3 year stretch that wouldn't sniff 50 best.
But so far he's unstoppable.
Although I would like to see what Steph would look like dragging a bunch of bums night in and night out a la Iverson or Kobe in those in-between Phil years
Steph is one of a handful of players I would courtside tickets to see..and he's at the top of the list
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23. "Lets see if he can play at an all-time high level for some more yrs. " In response to Reply # 0
before we start entertaining this question
The NBA path is littered w/players whose trajectory was headed towards greatness but (mainly) injuries derailed their careers
Right now some don't even consider Steph the best player at his position (Westbrook and I personally still like CP3 as a more traditional and all-around PG)
Frank Longo Member since Nov 18th 2003 86673 posts
Fri Nov-06-15 01:25 PM
38. "All he needs to do is stay healthy." In response to Reply # 0
We've seen a couple of players shine insanely brightly-- Grant and Penny, to name two-- just to watch injuries cut their careers short. Rose could possibly be part of that club too, sadly, depending how the next couple of years play out.
Curry needs to stay healthy to make the list. That's about it.
39. "idk but he's a future hall of famer for sure." In response to Reply # 0
i declared him a HOFer during first round playoffs their championship run.
milestone 2014-2015 season: -champion -reg. season mvp -all-star (starter, most votes) -all-star 3-pt champion -all-time 3s in a season, any player -all-time 3s in the playoffs, any player -franchise regular record wins
i'm calling it early. curry will lead the league in scoring.
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