Something I've always heard is that Black men, especially older ones, are highly against going to the Doctor. If anyone saw Black-ish last week, it was focused on this topic, as Andre's Pops said he hadn't been in 30 years.

At the beginning of the episode, they showed some historical "flashbacks" as they always do...they were comedic, but still laced in truth. It mentioned the Tuskegee Experiments, and how segregated hospitals would let Black patients die without helping them.

So I'm wondering, are these reasons among others the reason that Black men hate going? I know it's partially a class issue, and it's surely an age issue.

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bc i didn't want the money taken out of my check. Dude was heated. He dont go to the doctor tho himself lol

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

...I see my doctor all the damn time. Lol

but everything else has stayed the same or something?

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And while there maybe a cultural difference between your doctor and yourself, unprofessional and unethical treatment by your doctor doesn't have to be tolerated. Your health is more important.

I'm sure this has been studied and someone has a real answer, but that's what I always thought it was just the fact that healthcare isn't as vital to a man's day-to-day life like it is for women. Plus, women serve as the family "medical administrator" most of the time anyway.

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that's ALL they talk about

the doctor said ____
doctor told me ____
doctor gonna say ____


we don't go in our 'preventative' years....and that is men in general

hell...whenever I have gone to the doc for a routine physical, they ask me 'why are you here...is something wrong' I be like nah...just here for a physical...and then they look perturbed like oh...u just here to waste our time lol

I mean I ain't never been no sickly nigga neither (knock on wood) but yeah

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They too seemed perturbed. Lol

fuck you.

I mean most of these 60 year old diabatics with high blood blessure been living with this stuff since they were in their 30s and 40s but never took care of it by going to the doctor, getting the medications, changing their diet with a plan, etc.

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couldn't POSSIBLY impact how Black men feel about going to the hospital.
Those attitudes couldn't POSSIBLY be passed down 1 or 2 generations.
I mean, that was your daddy's Amerikkka, and generational fears aren't even real!

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Firstly, my Dad is a white, *Englishman* (so save your AmeriKKKa hilarity on me... that's your history, not mine) and it took a month of convincing for him to get a (thankfully benign) lump checked out on his tongue last year.

My girlfriend complains weekly that I haven't been to see a doctor for over a decade.

This is a male thing. That's why there are a billion articles on the Internet about why men don't like going to the doctor and why Movember became so popular:

http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/Conditions/Heart-Disease---The-Top-10-Reasons-Men-Put-Off-Doctor-Visits_UCM_433365_Article.jsp

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8154200.stm

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2009/jun/10/men-doctors

http://www.mentalhealthy.co.uk/lifestyle/men\'s-health/why-men-find-it-hard-to-go-to-the-doctor.html

http://uk.askmen.com/top_10/fitness/top-5-reasons-why-men-dont-go-to-the-doctor.html

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=116898

http://www.menshealth.com/health/5-reasons-you-dont-see-doctor-should

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1365977/One-men-visited-doctor-year-wouldnt-chest-pains.html

http://www.webmd.com/men/news/20070620/why-men-skip-doctor-visits

There are plenty of things society, and especially American society DID do to Black men that it didn't do to others that have caused tangible knock-ons down the generations, but making them afraid of the doctor does not stand out. Men the world over just dislike going to the doctors... so unless we ALL got affected by those things they're not the cause.

If you'd taken the patriarchy route rather than the white supremacy route when choosing your prejudices to blame you might be doing better. Personally, I'd lean to thinking it was down to unfair expectations placed on men to be strong, silent and stoic.

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>that's your history, not mine

Exactly, so how u gonna speak on how it's not different for Black American men?
How about you save your "race has nothing to do with it" BS for... ever.

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You carry on polishing that chip on your shoulder, champ.

My soon to be father-in-law (African American) has exactly the same conversations with his wife as my father (White, English) has with my mother. Which are the same as I have with my girlfriend and my brother has with his wife.

As I said, you have a lot of things to be righteously angry about on the racial discrimination front, I just don't happen to think this is one of them.

I'm sorry you're so upset by that.

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with a sign that read "They cut out my tongue". Granted -- in an English hospital that would probably be less likely.

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of discriminating against black patients. There are other factors, like duh men don't like to go to the doctors. but distrust of the medical establishment is one of them. the us did medical experiements on black soldiers up until the 1970s. there's a lot you don't know and a lot that's different over here.

... plus I have African American family and am able to compare them to my disgusting alien kin, but yeah, sure, ok. I'm just being ignorant and foreign. Good one.

I'll let you all cook away - Black men ARE more afraid of going to the Doctor, it's just hard for us pale foreigners to tell because all other men are also reluctant to go, but for different reasons.

It's obviously a totally different cause producing the same result in Black men as all the others.

How confusing.

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>It's obviously a totally different cause producing the same
>result in Black men as all the others.

not the same results

keep reading.

The *result* is that men are afraid of going to the Doctor, not that one group gets worse treatment than others.

There may be all sorts of reasons Black people are afraid of going to the Doctor, but from my experience of life in both the UK and the US all men I've ever met have roughly the same reluctance to go to the Doctor.

One group may have a more logical REASON for their fear - but the fear is the same. The *result* is the same - men don't go to the Doctor as much as they should.

I can't believe you're all so desperate to argue today, tbh. It's a pretty simple observation.

Why was this OK in your posts and not mine? Post 42?! I entirely agree - this affects ALL men from ALL races and the most reliable way to improve it is to get them all married.

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as white men?

i can't believe how desperate you are to argue about something that's your just your opinion.

As far as I can work out my posts and your posts on this pretty much agree with each other.

I can't work out why you're arguing at all.

Have you changed your mind since Post 42? Are you currently chewing yourself out in your bathroom mirror?

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>Firstly, my Dad is a white, *Englishman* (so save your
>AmeriKKKa hilarity on me... that's your history, not mine) and
>it took a month of convincing for him to get a (thankfully
>benign) lump checked out on his tongue last year.

even though it's a tiny island with a small population.

because they colonized half the planet, including the US before it was the us.

that's your history too boo.

Which is only applicable to Americans.

Britain absolutely played its part in the slave trade and there are a million things to still be upset about. I've tried to put that disclaimer in every post I've made to make it harder for people to misunderstand, but you're still managing it. I'm not saying there are no faults in society that are leftover from slavery and institutional racism... I'm saying that this problem in particular affects ALL races, so it's likely not JUST about race.

The articles I posted show that all men are reluctant to go to the Doctor.

This behaviour is seen in men from ALL walks of life and so maybe the race-based reasons aren't as clear cut as you assume. Do White men and Black men need different reasons to produce the same lack of a Doctor's appointment? Or should we be looking at their commonalities for once? What is it about being MALE?

Your point about marriage is one of the best in here, if you hadn't crowbarred the weird judgey language about Black men into it. Unmarried men the world over go to the doctor less, not just Black men. One of my (Black) girlfriend's main adopted roles is to be my medical nagger... just like my Mum is for my Dad and her Stepmom is to her Dad. If I didn't have a female partner I doubt I'd even go for dental check ups until I was in pain.

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and I only go to the doctor if my arm's come off or some such.

room til sunday morning.


I have a high threshold for pain and didn't know exactly what a rupture was and thought it would just 'go away'.

I tried to walk it off and finish my game too smdh.

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would NOT let us give him a ride

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

i would have gladly taken the car ride home lol

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

couldnt even put a shoe on that foot


was like nope, not going to the emergency room

I relocated it and kept playing. I went a doctor 4 days later bc ice packs and icy hot didn't make it better.

fuck you.

hes like man my ankle hurts...

keeps playing

we go to his work to pick up his check hes hobbling around like man this hurts


ya it was a pretty bad fracture lol

I thought I just jammed it, but after 2 weeks the swelling wouldn't really go down enough for me to even bend it a little bit.

I finally go to the doctor and get an xray. Verdict: broken wrist. Thankfully no surgery necessary and I didn't fuck it up more playing hero

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on a Monday...my dad told me to 'be a man'. After having to get an ice pack for a week, that Friday, the school sent me home with a letter threatening to contact child protective services because it was clear I had a serious injury. Thats the ONLY reason my dad took me to the doctor that Saturday. Fracture in two places!

- how old are you (it matters. past a certain point you better off knowing something major is wrong before its too late)

- you got kids/wife (dont wanna mess around and leave them ...infirm...dead even... dealing with something you could have handled

That's a general thing that's not exclusive to us.

fuck you.

he said one of his homies had an impacted wisdom tooth
or something like that
and homie walked around with the personal
bottle of vodka and when the shit started hurting
he'd take a swig of the vodka and swish it around in his mouth lol

but man i think alot of men are leary of doctors
im sure this play a factor in our low life expectancy
ive know too many older black dudes that have died in that 58-65 range
thats kinda young when you think about it


i messed my ankle up terribly this summer
a real bad sprain shit was swollen for like
3 weeks like i almost cried putting weight on it lol

i just rolled with it iced it and shit
i problably shouldve went to the doctor to check for ligament damage
but im back runnning and hitting the leg press like its nothing a month later...

but when you think about it doctors really always have bad news
like mechanics
like youll be feeling good when you get there
then they look you over and be like i dont know how
or why youre still alive you have this this and this wrong lol

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Or that whatever is wrong has an easily-available remedy. I feel like I wasted my time and money. I usually avoid going bc I don't want to feel foolish for having gone when there was nothing wrong or just a little thing I can fix without help.

fuck you.

To this day if anything is wrong with anyone in the family, we go to him first to see if it's something that we really need to go to the doctor about.

as main breadwinners.

so they don't get nagged to go or think hrm... if that twinge in my heart is something serious and i drop dead my kids might not go to college.

different calculations and priorities.

fuck you.

it's black men's loss they're marrying at lower rates.

I'll assume this is a schtick and you are not actually this dim.

fuck you.

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What do Black men need to get married for?

Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

>What do Black men need to get married for?

To tell you to go to the doctor.

Like every other race of men on the planet.

maybe its both

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>maybe its both

http://health.clevelandclinic.org/2014/06/married-men-more-likely-to-get-a-medical-checkup/

It is what it is....

Black ppls declining marriage rates affect many things and black mens health is one of them.

i cant tell if you dislike black men or if your position comes from a place of "do better" our of love

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there's not necessarily anything to be done better. i'm not suggesting more black men should get married or support families. i'm just looking at the reality. black people are less likely to be married and married men go to the doctor less.

my wife nags me to go to the doctor but I don't go...

and when I do go, which is once every few years I'm always in good health.

I get sick once every 4 or 5 years.

so I don't go more than I did when I was single.

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because having a child didin't change your feelings on the matter, you'll win a darwin award.

that was some foul shit to wish on a nigga but I keep reminding myself you are in Omaha, can't get a second date to save your life and have veiny hands and toes like:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/16/Human_toes,_3_weeks_post-frostbite.jpg


peace be unto you queen

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intelligence is pre-set from the get go to some level...

every man isn't going to use that logic that hey i'm a breadwinner, i should see a doctor so i can be around to see my kids through college etc logic.

on average though, that's what happens. hence the original post.

i'm sorry if you can already see it's not going to happen for you.

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they all died relatively young(ish). I think it's less about being married and more about the quality of the health care. Perhaps marriage factors into that if one or both spouses have access to higher quality facilities.

But if you're married and in the hood or maybe even a majority black "middle class" neighborhood odds are you still have crap options for health care it would seem.

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>as main breadwinners.
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>so they don't get nagged to go or think hrm... if that twinge
>in my heart is something serious and i drop dead my kids might
>not go to college.
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>different calculations and priorities.



^^^ This 'Ol black-on-black-crime-but-the-stats-say-take-away-Detroit-Chicago-Oakland-Philly-and-that's-half-the-gun-deaths-alone-bootstraps-stop-taking-handouts-ass nigga here.

WAT

Fuck it, WE DOOMED when sisters have begun adopting THEIR talking points. Dibs can be heartless as shit using their talking points.

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Ndibs, you realize all that shit you talking includes you right? *rereads that BS again and still sighs* You self hate niggas really test my patience.

Lol. Y'all hit dogging hard off simple facts...

Taking them as an indictment of your character for no reason.

Waaaahh she hates us! Look at her explaining why we get less healthcare!

>Look at her explaining why we get less
>healthcare!

I know you are but shit... Omaha did a number on you.

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>fewer black men are married and support families" as main >breadwinners.
>so they don't get nagged to go or think hrm... if that twinge in my >heart is something serious and i drop dead my kids might not go to >college.

... doctors? Seriously, what is the specific evidence that supports your claims?

>Lol. Y'all hit dogging hard off simple facts...
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>Taking them as an indictment of your character for no reason.
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>Waaaahh she hates us! Look at her explaining why we get less
>healthcare!

If the facts are so simple then please educate the rest of us with tangible evidence. No one is hit dogging by pointing out the blatant self hate in your post. The reasons we get less healthcare have little to do with "black men as breadwinners". Lack of access to adequate care is a problem in our community. Access to adequate care requires investment from politicians amidst a wave of apathy towards people receiving government assistance. Stop using conservative white supremacist talking points to tear us down.

Your logic is infuriating as shit and YOU SERIOUS ABOUT IT TOO. You reaching like SoWhat right now.

with a father in the house that's married to their mother.

unfortunately cohabitating doesn't provide the same benefit for men.

http://health.clevelandclinic.org/2014/06/married-men-more-likely-to-get-a-medical-checkup/

>RE: there is none. because most black children don't grow up
>with a father in the house that's married to their mother.
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>unfortunately cohabitating doesn't provide the same benefit
>for men.
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>http://health.clevelandclinic.org/2014/06/married-men-more-likely-to-get-a-medical-checkup/

http://images.dailykos.com/images/142188/large/black-fatherhood.png?1431025883

Not enough for you? Here's the interpretation:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/05/13/1383179/-The-absent-black-father-myth-debunked-by-CDC

Although black fathers are more likely to live separately from their children—the statistic that’s usually trotted out to prove the parenting “crisis”—many of them remain just as involved in their kids’ lives. Pew estimates that 67 percent of black dads who don’t live with their kids see them at least once a month, compared to 59 percent of white dads and just 32 percent of Hispanic dads.

There is a lower marriage rate among black people and that does seem to have an effect on how many of them are living with vs living apart from their children. But the level of involvement, of parenting, across racial lines from men in either of those two living situations - is not that significantly different. In fact, more Black fathers who live apart from their children are in most measurements are actually far more involved in their children's lives which may be a direct result, and/or offset, to the fact that far more of them are in that situation percentage-wise.

So if you were to take the single-parent percentages for each and multiply them against the numbers of actual children involved what you would see is this:

Hispanic Children in Single-Parent Households: 28.6% x 16.3 Million = 4.66 Million

Black Children in Single-Parent Households: 54.7% x 11.2 Million = 6.12 Million.

White Children in Single-Parent Households: 22.1% x 55.9 Million = 12.3 Million.

So even with an almost twice as high internal percentage of single-parent households, the external percentage is that there are still only one third one half as many black children living in that situation as there are white, and when you add this greater quantity of white "at risk" youth to the CDC data it seems that the quality of some of that white parenting may not be quite a strong.

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Please stop using white supremacist talking points to demean African-American men. You're better than this so stop making statements that data clearly debunks.

live with two married parents. it's an issue for the kids.

but we're not talking about kids today.

we're talking about black men not being married and how that affects black MEN'S health.

>RE: seing your kid once a month isn't parenting. only 35% black >children
>live with two married parents. it's an issue for the kids.
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>but we're not talking about kids today.
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>we're talking about black men not being married and how that
>affects black MEN'S health.

I cited source that all but killed your logic.

You're making up strawman statements about how black men not being married affects black men's health. Show me data provides a direct correlation to your statement, not indirect, not strawman argument. Stop falling for the BS Fox News feeds you. It's extremely disappointing that you feel for their lies.

The data doesn't exist because there isn't a direct correlation between black marriage and attitudes towards public health. You're literally pulling stuff out of thin air.

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Bullshit.

The hell??????

First up, most of us who speak on this are referring to our Fathers, grandfathers, and Uncles who have children. And it's usually the wife or kids who are begging them to go.

Nah, not like this, yo. I know you have your agendas, but this is a blatant failure.

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>First up, most of us who speak on this are referring to our
>Fathers, grandfathers, and Uncles who have children. And it's
>usually the wife or kids who are begging them to go.

eventually.

while they probably wouldn't if they were single and didn't have a wife and kids to nag them.

It is like asking him to donate his first born.

I ended up having to by the CVS swabs for HIV test.

I think we need more black doctors to make our men feel safe.

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overpriced
rarely help anything
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and they talk crazy to you.

asking if you got insurance or the money
and or they give you that oh black people got this or that
and you wanna punch them straight up because they look at you
and start stereotyping.

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Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

Or can pay.

...but that because I find they rarely can help me, and it ends up just being another bill

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>...but that because I find they rarely can help me, and it
>ends up just being another bill

Because they think they're less likely to be compliant with treatment protocols.

And or they're racist consciously or unconsciously.

it's fact?
or did you get this from Ben Carson?
or google?

just curious as to where you're getting these declarative statements

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/03/racial-bias-doctors_n_1472281.html

"It's been really extensively shown that minorities don't receive the same quality of health care as whites in the United States," said Lisa A. Cooper, M.D., M.P.H., a professor in the Division of General Internal Medicine at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine and lead author of the study. "I've been interested in the extent to which that is accounted for by the fact that a lot of minorities see physicians who are different from them culturally and racially, and that there might be some problems with cultural misunderstandings or miscommunication."

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Health/story?id=3401076

The study, by the Disparities Solutions Center, affiliated with Harvard University and Masschusetts General Hospital, is the first to deal with unconscious racial bias and how it can lead to inferior care for African-American patients. It was published in the online edition of the Journal of General Internal Medicine.

The doctors in the study were told two men, one white and one African-American, were each 50 years old and complained of chest pain. Each showed other symptoms of a heart attack.

The result was most of the doctors were more likely to prescribe a potentially life-saving, clot-busting treatment for the white patients than for the African-American patient.

"Physicians, like others in the U.S., in this country, demonstrated unconscious biases based on race," said Massachusetts General Hospital chief researcher Alexander Green.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=12253244

and....

Dr. GREEN: Well, we have a very serious problem in health care today. The problem of racial and ethnic disparities in care - that is that the quality of care that minority patients get in this country is not as good as the quality of care that white patients receive. And it's not just an issue of socio-economic status or insurance. We know that from a number of studies, this has been extensively documented in hundreds of studies - probably close to a thousand now.

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Cooper first measured doctors' attitudes about race, which she said may mimic those of the general population. Physicians in the study were asked to complete two versions of the Implicit Association Test (IAT), a computer-based tool that measures how quickly a participant associates good or bad words with people of each race. If an individual associates the good words with a particular race at a faster rate, that person is considered to have a subconscious preference toward the race, Cooper explains. The second version of the IAT asked physicians to assign words to each race that represent medical compliance and reluctance. Researchers also analyzed the audio recordings of doctor-patient visits and issued patients a questionnaire after their appointment.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/03/racial-bias-doctors_n_1472281.html

question shorty


so essentially the OPINIONS and ATTITUDES of the doctors in these 'studies' as opposed to us actually in reality not following thru with protocols


so because of these opinions and attitudes they are now being communicated as fact is problematic imo

and the fact that this article is telling us to 'speak up' and 'think positive' is even worse

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