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BigJazz
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"Poll question: conditions for Black people today compared to 1995"


  

          

what do you think?

Poll result (37 votes)
for the most part, most Black people are doing better today (17 votes)Vote
Black people ain't made much progress collectively since '95 (7 votes)Vote
shit got worse (10 votes)Vote
actually, slavery was the best thing that could have happened to us (c) BC (3 votes)Vote

  

  

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I mean should be easily googlable right?
Oct 09th 2015
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IMHO, blue
Oct 09th 2015
2
worse, there are more black people out there that
Oct 09th 2015
3
Where do you get these numbers from?
Oct 11th 2015
8
Man, she should be on Fox News with all these stats...
Oct 11th 2015
10
Same place you can get them from, googling...
Oct 11th 2015
12
      How many men in America are classified as black?
Oct 11th 2015
13
Thank you!! And don't go in and out with any fools over these facts
Apr 21st 2021
29
Yuuuup
Apr 23rd 2021
32
Better for most...the same for the rest... imho
Oct 09th 2015
4
hol up, i be sayin that GOOD Ol DAYS shit too.
Oct 09th 2015
5
      i know...people always do...different eras had different barriers
Oct 09th 2015
6
Lol folks are lying to themselves
Oct 11th 2015
7
Very surprised at the voting thus far - considering many blk ppl haven't
Oct 11th 2015
9
link for the dropout rate rising please?
Oct 11th 2015
11
the numbers may be more but are the percentages?
Apr 16th 2021
25
America is not designed for things to get better for black people
Oct 11th 2015
14
lots of research here in ProPublica investigative journalism piece
Oct 11th 2015
15
not much has changed
Oct 12th 2015
16
easier 4 individuals to "succeed", but collective has ways to go
Oct 12th 2015
17
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Oct 13th 2015
20
and that exactly serves white supremacy
Apr 16th 2021
22
^^^^^^^^
Apr 21st 2021
30
You have only integration to blame.
Apr 29th 2021
35
Better by a small margin...
Oct 12th 2015
18
i'd have said it was better if not for the housing crisis
Oct 13th 2015
19
RE: conditions for Black people today compared to 1995
Apr 15th 2021
21
measuring incremental progress is the wrong conversation imo
Apr 16th 2021
23
I wish ya'll would stop upping 5 year old posts.
Apr 16th 2021
24
nope
Apr 16th 2021
27
perception is everything
Apr 16th 2021
26
This poll is proof this board is delusional
Apr 16th 2021
28
if you ain't old enough to remember black neighborhoods b4 the drug war
Apr 23rd 2021
31
I said the same thing
Apr 25th 2021
33
stats say we're worse off
Apr 27th 2021
34

Buddy_Gilapagos
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1. "I mean should be easily googlable right?"
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2. "IMHO, blue"
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ndibs
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3. "worse, there are more black people out there that"
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Fri Oct-09-15 03:06 PM by ndibs

          

have been through the prison system and grew up without both parents at home.

median income, home ownership rates etc may have gone up but a lot of those figures don't count those who are incarcerated or aren't in the workforce.

right now 40% of black men are in prison or have had felonies and most of those people aren't doing shit with their lives.

educated blacks in their childbearing years are more likely to have heavy student loan burdens and are giving birth to fewer to children if ANY.

the NUMBER of black women giving birth of of wedlock is actually going DOWN.

But low income, less educated black women are outbreeding the educated upper income married black women....

and that is the reason 70-80% of black children are born outside of marriage.

we are so much worse off, but people can't see it. they're too busy watching celebrities on reality tv and on facebook and instagram.

  

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8. "Where do you get these numbers from?"
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10. "Man, she should be on Fox News with all these stats... "
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She folds and irons clothes in the day time and crunches damaging stats about negros in the evenings.

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12. "Same place you can get them from, googling..."
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http://blackdemographics.com/black-male-statistics/

About 6% of working-age (18-64yrs old) Black men are currently in state or federal prison, or in a municipal jail (see chart right). This is three times higher than the 2% of ‘all men’ in the same age group. What’s even more concerning is that approximately 34%* of all working-age Black men who are not incarcerated are ex-offenders compared to 12% of ‘all men’ which means they have at one point in their lives been convicted of a felony. This data coincides with the increased absence of Black men in the labor force because ex-offenders are prevented from obtaining a large percentage of occupations either by law and are often legally discriminated against by private employers


http://billmoyers.com/2013/09/19/rand-paul-one-in-three-black-men-served-time-time-to-re-enfranchise-ex-felons/

  

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13. "How many men in America are classified as black?"
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Wouldn't it be important to give that number as well?

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29. "Thank you!! And don't go in and out with any fools over these facts"
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32. "Yuuuup"
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4. "Better for most...the same for the rest... imho"
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Funny thing is....


people swear we had some 'good ol days' at some point...

no the hell we didn't

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5. "hol up, i be sayin that GOOD Ol DAYS shit too."
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might be a case of wearing rose-colored glasses when you're looking at things in retrospect...

  

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6. "i know...people always do...different eras had different barriers"
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I mean unless we goin back to the kingdom of mali or something...lol

but here...in America??

nah


we had jobs in the 40s 50s n 60s yet we were getting hosed down, hung and all that other stuff

70s jobs left...we had 'fun'...but we were getting snubbed by the man

80s ...drugs

90s ...Rodney king let us know shit still aint sweet...but better than before


so forth an so on



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7. "Lol folks are lying to themselves"
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the awakening is just getting to the early 90s level.

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9. "Very surprised at the voting thus far - considering many blk ppl haven't"
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recovered from the economic recession in 08

Our unemployment is still almost 2x as high as the national average

There's been an uptick of the number of blk ppl who are homeless

More blk MEN and WOMEN are incarcerated today than 20 yrs ago

More blk male teens are dropping out of high school

Blk on blk violent crimes are still a problem for many of the major cities

We are NOT better off today - in many ways we are regressing


>what do you think?

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11. "link for the dropout rate rising please?"
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cause this says otherwise.

https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=16



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25. "the numbers may be more but are the percentages?"
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Do the numbers (as compared to 1995) account for population increase.

  

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14. "America is not designed for things to get better for black people"
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Never has been. In order for things to be better people who are classified as black would have to be closer to enjoying the same level of treatment as those classified as white -- this will never happen nor is it close to happening e.g. James Blake, therefore the question is moot.

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15. "lots of research here in ProPublica investigative journalism piece"
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http://billmoyers.com/content/the-color-of-debt-how-collection-suits-squeeze-black-neighborhoods/

For example:
"By any measure, black households are worse off financially than white ones. They make, on average, far less money. But more pernicious is the vastly larger gap in wealth between whites and blacks — a divide that is wider than it was 30 years ago.
The source of this disparity is as deep as the nation’s history, said William A. Darity Jr., a professor of economics and public policy at Duke University. And addressing it is not as straightforward as improving employment or education among blacks.

It stems largely from “differences in the capacity of one generation of parents to transfer their resources to the next,” Darity said. “And those differences are strongly associated with race.”"

and

"Today, the typical black household has a net worth of $11,000, while that of a typical white household is $141,900. As a result, while the budget is often tight for any low- or middle-income household, black households are less likely to have resources to draw on when they need it."

  

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16. "not much has changed"
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we still fighting and battling
and dealing with racism which never is going away.

WHite AMerica still stays in denial
and its a reality of the economics.

same ole politics.

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17. "easier 4 individuals to "succeed", but collective has ways to go"
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Money pool is bigger but income gap is worse
schools is worse
Media, police/prison system, housing market, political landscape probably slightly worse or basically no change


Essentially there is more opportunity but less unity, collectivism, awareness, etc



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20. "^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^"
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And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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22. "and that exactly serves white supremacy"
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the ILLUSION that things are better collectively by letting more individuals "win". and so many people fall for that shit (like everybody voting red)

smh

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30. "^^^^^^^^"
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35. "You have only integration to blame. "
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>Essentially there is more opportunity but less unity,
>collectivism, awareness, etc

Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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18. "Better by a small margin..."
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the ceiling is higher but the climb to the top is just as hard as it's always been

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19. "i'd have said it was better if not for the housing crisis"
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and mass incarceration

  

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21. "RE: conditions for Black people today compared to 1995"
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America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

  

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23. "measuring incremental progress is the wrong conversation imo"
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it implies that people shouldnt be complaining about current conditions cuz 'things are better'

what exactly does that accomplish?

Black men, right now, are under literal direct attack from law enforcement

Black people's right to vote, right now, is under literal and direct attack from the Republican Party

i could go on and on...so what does whether or not things are better than in 1995 have to do with right now?

if the answer is to your poll yes, who is that helping?

d


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24. "I wish ya'll would stop upping 5 year old posts."
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27. "nope"
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America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

  

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26. "perception is everything"
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I wanna think 'we've come a long way, baby.' but something in my spirit say this is just a modern version of the same old shit. It FEELS like progress because we have progressed in age and our technological and social advances would tell us 'this is different'.


But it's still the same white people that's been running shxt and getting promotions since I was a kid, and none of them have/have ever had 'our' best interests at heart any further than it benefits 'the other side.

'You' can make it, like another poster said; but 'we' can't. Not the way America is set up.

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28. "This poll is proof this board is delusional"
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Any sense of collective identity is in more disarray.

There are more divisions within the so called Black American group than ever before and people playing sides with the oppressor for trinkets(BLM leadership).

The collective ownership so called Black people have has not changed since the 20th century.

Things are much worse so bad in fact folks with money and any semblance of awareness are looking overseas.

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31. "if you ain't old enough to remember black neighborhoods b4 the drug war"
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you're gonna get this wrong
We are muuuuch worse off than 95.

  

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33. "I said the same thing"
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I remember when crack hit my neighborhood it was like 87 or when I noticed.

Today it's much worse.

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34. "stats say we're worse off"
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and have more millionaires/billionaires and elected officials

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