I love it. But these young heads get into this?

http://ambrosiaforheads.com/2015/09/some-very-respected-people-think-this-17-year-old-mc-is-the-future-of-hip-hop-meet-a-f-r-o-video/


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but i cant see the younger generation putting him on a pedestal like that.

im an old head so just him being in the studio with Primo is validation enough for me.

like... there's still hope for hip hop.

*fires up FL studio*

yeah... hope...

alot of the same people thinking "there's hope for hip hop yet"

are the same ones turning these new rap acts into celebs, then complaining

cant have your cake and eats it too

rap will never go back
and years from now we'll look back on this time and SWEAR yt folls stole it from us

shout out to the little homie tho, he's nice
i hope he has a good day job tho
or gets into ghost writing and production
cause hip hop fans are the WORST (old and young)

All these cat's y'all on this board trippin over ain't gettin no money or spins from me.

This dude??? I'd sign up for iTunes just to make this purchase if that's the only way to get his music.

but you got a whole hell of alot of 'those types' on here

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=12433369&mode=full

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=12789916 (I did admit that "All Gold Everything was catchy enough that I played it a time or two int he car)

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=12622094#12622661

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=12832483&mesg_id=12832483&page=#12833374

and there's another thread more recently with some other mumble-mushmouth rapper that had some big hit over the summer that I just couldn't fuck with.

It takes all kinds to make up a world, son. -My pops

I just live for the comments -Da wiz

... Doesn't Joey Badass satisfy that craving? It's cool that he studied east coast hip-hop. Did he study west coast hip-hop? Hope his teachers drill other regions' music into his playbook. That's not a shot at New Yawk but hip-hop is universal when you think about it. He has the respect of the golden era artists but what about the era(s) after that?

I wonder what year he stopped studying hip-hop.

*listens to more of his music*

All this freestyling is cool and this young artist has talent. I'm inclined to fully appreciate his music if it's cohesive and less lyrical miracle spiritual. As of today, he comes across like a male Tink that gets by due to the throwback nature of the music.

I'm assuming that with time, he'll be able to switch up flows....all the great ones could

He's dope to me, but I'm 41.

I'm not going to see him spit.
I'm probably not gonna buy a full length joint.
But I'll watch him on YouTube and hope he does well.

He needs kids his age to care about him, but I don't know how that'll happen.

Meanwhile, my $15 is saved for Life is Good 2

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its over. the hypocrisy here is too great.

Where you at Buddy?!

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..and miles to go before i sleep...

I think last go round I just saw that first video which absolutely didn't do it for me (and still doesn't do it for me still). I didn't peep the RA Freestyle last go round.

The bio video gets me hype. I hope he grows beyond that the type of rap with the help of these hip-hop legends and find his voice and his on style that is meaningful.




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that makes alot of sense
i dont like alot of the new stuff
but times change and it is what it is

because the subject matter has not changed since the good ol days

glorifying drug use
violence
partying
flossing
coming up

it seems like alot of ppl dont like what alot of the new guys are talking about

but shit jay nas pac wu boot camp clik and alot of other cats from
that era talked about it.And i love them for it, I guess the beats mean alot.

My thing about young cats that rap old with the sneak an uzi on the island flow is...its cool and i respect it but they arent doing anything new. shit i can listen to *insert names* early work and get the same feeling

I always thought what made illmatic dope was its originality
(i could be wrong because in 94 i was 8)
I always thought ghost was cool because of that same thing

i guess its like what 50 said about troy ave

in a sense alot of these cats are just coloring inside the lines that were laid out by the cats from that 90's
i dont have a problem with it because alot of the new guys who do it are dope but i kinda think that experimenting with shit is what keeps the genere moving, while i may not like alot of the mumble mouthed new stuff ( i like a lot of futures stuff) i think its dope that cats are willing to explore and build upon shit...i mean did we understand everything ODB or ghostface said?

But yeah youngin can spit in the traditional sense

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>that makes alot of sense
>i dont like alot of the new stuff
>but times change and it is what it is
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>because the subject matter has not changed since the good ol
>days
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>glorifying drug use
>violence
>partying
>flossing
>coming up
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>it seems like alot of ppl dont like what alot of the new guys
>are talking about
>
>but shit jay nas pac wu boot camp clik and alot of other cats
>from
>that era talked about it.And i love them for it, I guess the
>beats mean alot.
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>My thing about young cats that rap old with the sneak an uzi
>on the island flow is...its cool and i respect it but they
>arent doing anything new. shit i can listen to *insert names*
>early work and get the same feeling
>
>I always thought what made illmatic dope was its originality
>(i could be wrong because in 94 i was 8)
>I always thought ghost was cool because of that same thing
>
>i guess its like what 50 said about troy ave
>
>in a sense alot of these cats are just coloring inside the
>lines that were laid out by the cats from that 90's
>i dont have a problem with it because alot of the new guys who
>do it are dope but i kinda think that experimenting with shit
>is what keeps the genere moving, while i may not like alot of
>the mumble mouthed new stuff ( i like a lot of futures stuff)
>i think its dope that cats are willing to explore and build
>upon shit...i mean did we understand everything ODB or
>ghostface said?
>
>But yeah youngin can spit in the traditional sense

If we're looking for the authentic sound then why not get the authentic artist from that era? You're right that hip-hop needs to progress so mumble bars is the new wave for some artists. 90 percent of the popular artists now spitting traditional hip-hop even though they aren't from one region. It's a solid different take on hip-hop from their area and it's great because it lets us experience their home.

Let me experience Detroit from Big Sean's perspective. Let me experience J. Cole's grind coming from Carolina. Let me experience Compton from the perspective of someone that doesn't gang bang in the modern era.

It had a solid grounding in historical context. I remember exactly where I was when I first heard it (high school library, grade 10).

The beats weren't unchartered territory. I mean, all those producers had well-established sounds and styles. Now...the beats they contributed were definitely high water-marks for them. But they weren't stylistically different than what they already doing.

And the raps weren't from outta nowhere neither. I immediately thought he sounded like Rakim....and so did just about everybody else. He was just doing it REALLY REALLY good. Illmatic didn't introduce new styles of production...or a new style of rap. It was just really good.

Some have the more sophisticated argument that some of the artists don't rap
creatively, and I can respect it if they can break it down...
but more often than not, the new kids are saying clever stuff about the same damn
topics these older heads listened to when they were young.

By the mid 90s or so, mainstream Hip Hop ran out of morals tied in to the story
and went on to just glorify shit. Biggie never really had any real "message" or
moral backdrop to his shit like Rakim's "Juice" or even Ice-T's "New Jack Hustler"
(even tho it didn't end tragically, you knew it was commentary and not glorification).
It's mostly a matter of style that people are lamenting, and I don't mind that so much
if you can explain why we shouldn't move on from one style to the next.
I mean, I can do so in an R&B context and somewhat in a Hip Hop context, but I
don't see it much with the complainers.

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You've made a couple posts about glorification of violence/drugs/etc in hip hop. The past couple months I've started leaning much more this way. The emergence of the NWA movie was a bit of a catalyst....I started thinking 'why did I ever listen to this shit?' Last summer my roommate's brother was murdered. He was an emcee and the perp was the son of a prominent hip hop dj here in Toronto. I think part of that had an effect on me....even at the funeral....there was a cypher in the parking lot and I was playing guitar for it. And it just kinda hit me....like what the fuck are we doing? Celebrating this street rap shit now?

Did you always think this? Or is it something that emerged for you? Like a re-evaluation of what you used to like.

What did you think about the new 50 cent song and video (9 Shots)? I thought it was a good example of when violence is portrayed in hip hop without glorifying it which is kinda ironic cause 50 definitely glorified this type of thing in the past. I mean....he doesn't explicitly condemn violence in the song like some of those older artists you mentioned. But there's arguably an implicit message that condemns violence without beating you over the head with it. Do you think the message HAS to be clear and explicit?

Condolences for that tragedy, man.
Stuff like that will definitely make us look at things differently.
Were they rapping typical gangsta shit in the cypher? If so, I'll bet that WAS a real
moment of reflection.


>Did you always think this? Or is it something that emerged
>for you? Like a re-evaluation of what you used to like.



Well when I was younger, one of my favorite songs was "How I Could Just Kill A Man"
by Cypress Hill. At the same time, one of my favorite songs was "Fight The Power"
by Public Enemy. I didn't care much about lyrics back then. I just liked beats and
well-delivered rhymes. I actually started to wake up to how detrimental it was when
I saw how my peers wanted to live the lyrics they heard, because that's what was
"cool". There would be arguments about who wasn't REALLY real, from the streets,
and REALLY sold dope and all that. It wasn't just music anymore. People were really
patterning their lives after this. I still see it today with kids, and music then, just like
now, resonated way more than a movie for what I think should be obvious reasons.

So that's how I came to see it differently... as far as Hip Hop itself tho, I think it was
a progression that pretty much started around the time of NWA. Ice-T would rap
about "Colors" and all that, but it was an objective look at it all. Emcees took the
role of reporter and informer back then.


>What did you think about the new 50 cent song and video (9
>Shots)? I thought it was a good example of when violence is
>portrayed in hip hop without glorifying it which is kinda
>ironic cause 50 definitely glorified this type of thing in the
>past. I mean....he doesn't explicitly condemn violence in the
>song like some of those older artists you mentioned. But
>there's arguably an implicit message that condemns violence
>without beating you over the head with it. Do you think the
>message HAS to be clear and explicit?



I got no problem with that, actually. The aforementioned "New Jack Hustler" is the
same way. He takes on the character, but imbues it with articulation of the mindset
that the actual character probably wouldn't express, so it plays exactly like what it is...
an insightful journey into the mind of the dope dealer that doesn't exactly glorify the occupation.
So nah, I don't think you have to explicitly say "don't sell drugs, kids" or "I don't do that, MYSELF"
I guess I think it mostly has to be thoughtful, honest, and insightful about the fears and pitfalls of
such a lifestyle. I like when the emcee sees and expresses things that the actual
character might not see, such as why he does what he does and the intricacies of
how society creates an environment that pushes him into it... to do that while in
character is a kind of brilliance.
It also helps if the person isn't playing this character outside of the
music, especially in the current TMZ musical climate, because that seems to matter
just as much as (if not more than) the actual music in many cases.

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But I didn't get the feeling they were gonna go seeking it out.

I mean, technically he's incredible. He's got the sixteenth note flow with the triplets and all that. A lot of his schemes sound like Big Pun, Big L, Rakim.

The thing that will hold him back (not necessarily for me) will be the tone of his voice which is his biggest glaring flaw. He sounds like a nerd....and a lot of people hear that before they hear the intricate rhythmic schemes. In fact, the intricate rhythmic schemes just kinda add to the nerdiness.

If I was producing him....I'd be trying to stop him from going into that upper register in his delivery. I'd experiment with making him kinda shout with a low pitch. Or maybe try getting him drunk or something lol. It's a great flow...it just needs to be accompanied with a bit more emotion in his delivery. Sounds a little dead. I'd also suggest trying to leave a little more space in those sixteenth note flows. Biggie would be a good example. There's nothing more effective than establishing that sixteenth note flow and then start omitting some of the ghost notes. Biggie was one of the best at that. A.F.R.O.'s stuff starts verging on what people refer to as 'rappity rap' or that 'spiritual, miracle' type thing. There's not enough space. Too much of an on-slaught.

I think there's a market for him. But it'll be a retro, throwback back-packer type market. That's ok though. I'm SUPER impressed by him. He deserves better beats but there's tons of potential here.

....I don't love hip hop how it is now, but there are dope MCs still out there.... Dude is nice, but he ain't the ONLY nice young cat out there... But I enjoy some of the current artists too so I'm not really in a state of distress about the situation

"yes, sometimes my rhymes are sexist, but you lovely bitches and hos should know i'm tryin to correct it"- hiphopopotamus

If you can feel him, but ain't into Blackalicious or Gab's solo stuff, you've either been
missing out for like 20yrs or just hatin' on Gab lol.

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I definitely hear it in his VOICE. But his flows and rhyme schemes are really different.

That's the thing tho... it sounds like the same "subliminal criminals nibblin' chitlins n lentils"
style to me where nearly every word rhymes... which Gab was definitely a forerunner
with, yet Gab has alotta styles. Who knows tho, maybe I need to hear more of A-F-R-O's stuff.

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or any other white backpack rapper of the late 90's early 00's. Gab definitely had a better flow.

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lol, looks like fun

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But I think you hit it dead on with your characterization. Even when the technical side was really appreciated....Rakim wasn't JUST a rhyme scheme master. He also had a wicked baritone and his personality was kinda defined by his understated, breezy cool delivery. The technical rhyme schemes were there...but it wasn't EVERYTHING. I think it was the mid to late 90's when a lot of the spiritual/miracle type rappers started getting props for the intricate stuff regardless of how they actually sounded.

loving the super technical, no personality style.

Even with Kane and plenty others, they had the technical shit DOWN but had a strong persona and presence.

>But I think you hit it dead on with your characterization.
>Even when the technical side was really appreciated....Rakim
>wasn't JUST a rhyme scheme master. He also had a wicked
>baritone and his personality was kinda defined by his
>understated, breezy cool delivery. The technical rhyme
>schemes were there...but it wasn't EVERYTHING. I think it was
>the mid to late 90's when a lot of the spiritual/miracle type
>rappers started getting props for the intricate stuff
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on one hand I despise the backlash against knowing how to rap. no one should be proud to like trash but it's 2015

on the other hand, what's separating this kid from becoming the new Canibus?

either way the hype machine is officially in motion (I knew about him months ago, I still dont see him breaking out of the underground) but I dont know if he can make actual songs about more than having bars

AFRO could make a decent living like Ras Kass but the young and "real" underground slots are filled by dudes who got here before him

i'm not copping an album of this...i hope he's doing a gang of shows though

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Its why I take peoples umbrage with 'real' mc's with salt considering some questionable wordsmiths would make their top ten simply because they liked them 1)During their prime music fan years 2)We kinda let em slide just cause everything else was great.

I too would think Guru was a fantastic mindblowing MC if Gangstarr was playing in the background while I got to third base, or knowing the audience at that time, jerking off to Heather Hunter flicks. And I say this as a fan.

This is Wynnton Marsalis rap:

Technically brilliant, but either 1.) No emotional resonance or 2.) It's so complicated, I can't reach whatever emotion he is trying to convey.

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With the guidance of good mentoring he could grow beyond the Lyrical Miracle.

He seems to have a compelling life story and combine that with skill and good mentoring and he could be something special...or not.



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Movies I need y'all bastids to see so we can discuss:

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Appropriate Behavior - http://goo.gl/isCzTM
Ma

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the rules are different. If A-F-R-O can put out youtube clips or material that has makings of a good song (catchy hook, etc.) then yes, he could get the kids' ear. It's not bars first everything else secondary like it was for us who came up in the 90's. Kids are not trying to rewind to catch what was said. Reel them in with a catchy hook/verse/or whatever then spit the hot bars.......yeah, kids would get excited.

Today's spitters all have memorable songs to go with that heat. Drake, J. Cole, Kendrick Lamar. All of them.

Let's go back a generation prior. Eminem, Big Pun

For any spitter, it has to be a full package or that artist will not retain the youth's attention.

If A-F-R-O's talents are singular where he is only really good at one thing, then he'll just end up as a collaborator on bigger artists' projects. The same way Rhymefest helped out early G.O.O.D. Music and Mad Skillz helped out Timbaland's camp and many others.