http://mashable.com/2015/08/08/black-men-dressing-up-police/#share-action:eyJzIjoiZiIsImkiOiJfaDNoY21zaHNreGkzNXgwMCJ9

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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

or both j/k

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Everything looks like Oprah kissing Harvey Weinstein these days

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

1. they lynched niggers in suits. (http://www.albany.edu/jmmh/vol3/micheaux/micheaux-efrem_lynching.jpg <--- NSFW. NSFL.)

2. i'd rather challenge those who would assume the worst based on how i dress instead of kow-towing by dressing to please them. b/c...see #1.

fuck you.

so keep your head down.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

I kid!

Is this generation really this passive?

"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

<--- Big Baller World Order

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You can be harassed in any attire. A litany of historical accounts have shown us this. Further, it's dehumanizing. It encourages us to be archetypes rather than human beings. It's basically shallow and naive respectability politics.

http://soundcloud.com/forestbrooks

> It's basically shallow and naive respectability politics.

>You can be harassed in any attire. A litany of historical
>accounts have shown us this. Further, it's dehumanizing. It
>encourages us to be archetypes rather than human beings. It's
>basically shallow and naive respectability politics.

public perception. I know in NYC these men will most definitely receive less negative attention from cops & get better treatment from strangers if they are dressed up. Is that right? Hell no it isn't. But let's not pretend like it makes NO difference.

Let my love slide in and never slip out

it all varies by context.

for example, a well-dressed guy in the middle of the projects can easily draw unwanted attention. an unreasonable person might assume he's there buying drugs, overseeing drug sales, or pimping.

i understand the importance of minding how one dresses and the image one presents (i'm wearing a suit right now) but i don't bother dressing sharp to avoid being harassed by police. b/c i am not convinced that works. plus...fuck the police.

fuck you.

yea there are different levels of racism
and even different levels for how ppl of your own race perceive you
better appearance in the mainstream sense is a net positive all things considered

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Can it somewhat help, maybe. It depends on the officer/person they're dealing with. Ultimately, the effect is negligible at best.

Further, I'll state again that it's dehumanizing. Why should we not allowed to be human and have dressed down moments? To appease white supremacists who'll never view us equally anyway? Kill that noise!

It's a move driven by fear that is flat out ineffective and it's shallow.

So, what are poor people who can't afford to dress their way out of white supremacy supposed to do?

I will continue to dress appropriate to my circumstance. I dress professionally at work or if I'm going out, but I'll be damned if I'm gonna dress up to run to grocery store or Walmart just to please white folks.

http://soundcloud.com/forestbrooks

fuck you.

>Can it somewhat help, maybe. It depends on the officer/person
>they're dealing with. Ultimately, the effect is negligible at
>best.
>
>Further, I'll state again that it's dehumanizing. Why should
>we not allowed to be human and have dressed down moments? To
>appease white supremacists who'll never view us equally
>anyway? Kill that noise!
>
>It's a move driven by fear that is flat out ineffective and
>it's shallow.
>
>So, what are poor people who can't afford to dress their way
>out of white supremacy supposed to do?
>
>I will continue to dress appropriate to my circumstance. I
>dress professionally at work or if I'm going out, but I'll be
>damned if I'm gonna dress up to run to grocery store or
>Walmart just to please white folks.

reiterate that in NYC (a place FULL of shallow folks) these men will be treated better than they would if they were dressed down. Just because you're offended by that idea doesn't make it invalid. There are some people who choose what they wear strictly off of personal taste. But ultimately there are some people who put clothes for the specific purpose of receiving some sort of preferential treatment. And in a lot of cases, I've seen it work.

b/c there are plenty places in NYC where a black man in a suit won't get preferential treatment.

i mentioned the projects before...i'd say the same about any 'high crime area'.

and we all know about dressing up to get in to certain clubs or other hot spots and dressing up when going shopping for luxury items or whatever. that's nothing. this article is specifically about dressing up to avoid police harassment. that idea is bogus anywhere.

fuck you.

My point is based off the context of this stupid ass article. You want to make it something else, but the post is based around this article.

and though i don't live in NYC i understand that there are places in NYC where a black man in a suit will not receive preferential treatment from police. in fact he may get the opposite. which is why i say your point about this issue being different in NYC is off-base.

fuck you.

In regards to police.

Especially if I'm getting stopped in my car. The only time my clothes played a part is when I had on my ref shirt.lol

But a suit, tie???? Didn't matter...still have been harrassed.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

Like, I imagine you get stopped by the police and harrassed. Then you throw a flag down on the play and say "unnecessary roughing, offense. 5 yard penalty" and for some reason the cop complies by stepping away to talk to you from a more reasonable distance lol.
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He just asked me where I refd and about how to get into it bc he'd consider it when he retires.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

http://fishduck.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/referees_425aj.jpg
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>In regards to police.
>
>Especially if I'm getting stopped in my car. The only time my
>clothes played a part is when I had on my ref shirt.lol
>
>But a suit, tie???? Didn't matter...still have been
>harrassed.

Do you believe that statement to be true? Yes or no?

Let my love slide in and never slip out

Like time of day, neighborhood, what i'm doing etc?

I don't think it would be that great of difference based on my personal experiences. Is there one cop out of 100 that would do things differently based on my dress? Perhaps.

Do I feel more confident in regards to my interactions with police based on me having a suit vs sweats? Not at all.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

Dressing up for the purpose of avoiding racism is absolutely an invalid idea. If a person is dressing up to engender self-confidence, fine. Do you, but it's not an effective antiracist policy. We tried that already. Plenty of black people dressed in their Sunday's finest during the BCRM. We're still dealing with direct and systemic racism.

Also, I'll ask again: what are poor people who can't afford to dress up supposed to do? It's a limited idea that doesn't really take the full scope of the problems we're dealing with into account.


>there are some people who put clothes for the specific purpose
>of receiving some sort of preferential treatment. And in a
>lot of cases, I've seen it work.

I'm curious about what these cases are. By all means, enlighten me.

http://soundcloud.com/forestbrooks

>>there are some people who put clothes for the specific
>purpose
>>of receiving some sort of preferential treatment. And in a
>>lot of cases, I've seen it work.
>
>I'm curious about what these cases are. By all means,
>enlighten me.

you wear outside the house? Why would the phrase "dress to impress" even exist if people weren't getting preferential treatment based off of what they wear?
At this point you and homeboy are just arguing to argue. The article is poorly put together, and some of y'all find the premise behind it offensive. I get it. Personally I don't think most brothers who dress up are thinking about the cops when the do it. That much we can all agree on. But all this negligible effect/exercise in futility bs.... nah.

Let my love slide in and never slip out

my point all along has been that it's ridiculous to think that wearing a suit or otherwise dressing up will result in more favorable treatment by police. it might work in limited application but as a general practice it won't.

the police angle is why i gave so much pushback against your point that this issue is different in NYC. b/c the NYPD will definitely not give a suited black man better treatment in all circumstances. i named a few situations where he might actually suffer worse treatment. i based those on my experience working on criminal cases in Chicago.

fuck you.

>my point all along has been that it's ridiculous to think
>that wearing a suit or otherwise dressing up will result in
>more favorable treatment by police. it might work in limited
>application but as a general practice it won't.
>
>the police angle is why i gave so much pushback against your
>point that this issue is different in NYC. b/c the NYPD will
>definitely not give a suited black man better treatment in all
>circumstances. i named a few situations where he might
>actually suffer worse treatment. i based those on my
>experience working on criminal cases in Chicago.

as opposed to targeted, based on what dude is wearing. Cops are taught to "profile". And I don't believe this specific article is about putting these clothes on to walk through the hood.
I can totally accept whatever you have to say about what happens once police interactions occur though, you would naturally be more informed than I in that regard.

Let my love slide in and never slip out

fuck you.

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Let my love slide in and never slip out

I wanted to make it clear. Plus my actual response to your last bit would've required more effort than this discussion is due. So I chose to stand on my prior statements.

fuck you.

bruh you're arguing with someone who's wearing a suit RIGHT NOW because of social norms
generally being dressed up sends certain signals.
even with that yall arguments aren't even mutually exclusive, you seem to acknowledge that though
he's arguing to be arguing

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Bless his heart.

fuck you.

>you wear outside the house? Why would the phrase "dress to
>impress" even exist if people weren't getting preferential
>treatment based off of what they wear?

I dress appropriately for my situation, as most folks do. If I'm trying to get a loan or going out or going to work or going to court, I dress up. If I'm running to the corner store for a quick ingredient, I don't. How I dress has nothing to do with combatting white supremacists.

>At this point you and homeboy are just arguing to argue. The
>article is poorly put together, and some of y'all find the
>premise behind it offensive. I get it. Personally I don't
>think most brothers who dress up are thinking about the cops
>when the do it. That much we can all agree on. But all this
>negligible effect/exercise in futility bs.... nah.

I'm not arguing to argue. I'm saying, as I said before, that dressing up is an ineffective strategy to use against racism and ultimately an exercise in futility, when it comes to combatting racism. Does that mean there aren't appropriate times to dress up, of course not. I didn't think that needed to be stated.

I, however, genuinely asked you to give me a case where dressing up prevented a person from experiencing racism. You said you'd seen lots of cases. Surely, it's not a problem to elaborate on that statement. This is, after all, a question based on your reply to me. So, if anyone is arguing just to argue, it ain't over here, b. I'm just engaging in dialogue.

http://soundcloud.com/forestbrooks

Like homeboy's here:
http://www.gastrochic.com/t/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/blue-suit-and-hat-outside-prada.jpg
http://esq.h-cdn.co/assets/15/24/1280x1280/gallery-1433858850-jidenna-classic-man.jpg

Since 1976

I dress diff now than in 20s, but will still wear a hoodie and sneakers when I feel like it.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

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...I'm from the era when A.I. was the answer, now they think ai is the answer - Marlon Craft

i didn't read the article but i skimmed enough that i wished it were a joke. and i kept skimming to get to the punchline....

fuck you.

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...I'm from the era when A.I. was the answer, now they think ai is the answer - Marlon Craft

who is their tailor so they can be flogged for these ill fitting clothes???

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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

I'm bullshittin

I was asking the same thing especially wit fat boy

like a chick with F cups trying to fit a "normal" blouse for her size... except the gaps were on his gut.

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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

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"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

prototype

stand ur ground, believe in urself,
believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

fuck you.

and vest dude look like they swing from y'all's side of the plate, lol

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Because of dude's shape, he basically has two options: Tight as hell, or garbage bag baggy.

The blue suit and white sailor dudes both have nice fits.

>Because of dude's shape, he basically has two options: Tight
>as hell, or garbage bag baggy.
>
>The blue suit and white sailor dudes both have nice fits.


Let my love slide in and never slip out

http://1.mshcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/scott-40b.jpg

i mean it's fine but it's not 'dressed up' and doesn't 'convey higher status'. especially not in NYC.

fuck you.

shoes, button-up shirt and fitting pants/jeans is dressing up.

fuck you.

>http://1.mshcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/scott-40b.jpg
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>i mean it's fine but it's not 'dressed up' and doesn't 'convey
>higher status'. especially not in NYC.

Again, context.


Let my love slide in and never slip out

fuck you.

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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

shit ain't gotta be that damned tight.

Looking like a superhero off hours.

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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

looks like him lol

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Everything looks like Oprah kissing Harvey Weinstein these days

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It's not like the dudes that used to wear whities and sagging pants are now sporting Ferragamo shoes and ascots in order to "Survive".

time is money, money is time
so i keep 7 o'clock in the bank and gain interest in the hour of God
I'm saving to buy my freedom, God, grant me wings, I'm too fly not to fly _ Saul Williams

we've always had dudes who dig fine threads.

fuck you.

http://1.mshcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/scott-40b.jpg

Un-tucked shirts and rolled-up jeans? I'd hate to see what dressing down is for dude.


http://1.mshcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/20150710_Flanagan_Mashable_245_EDIT-copy.jpg

And homeboy looks like he forgot his shirt. They are playing fast & loose with the definition of "dressed up."

http://hiphopandpolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Screen-Shot-2013-08-02-at-10.24.53-AM.png

^^^ when shit like this is the "norm", what dude has on might as well be a three piece suit and Bally Nevil's.


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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

fuck you.

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Coolin...

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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

plus my excellence will deter their racism.

i'm good!

fuck you.

https://youtu.be/1JNBClRUR6M

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Everything looks like Oprah kissing Harvey Weinstein these days

& if I am my bad

BUT! It feels like yall are so separated & disconnected from the pulse & spirit of what's going on in the world around us (especially when it comes to our brothas & sistas).

It's like yall have this smug dismall & condescension when it comes to us & I don't understand it.

Are yall pressed to separate yourselves, like these cats in the article?

Again my bad but yall niggas kill me.

fuck you.

them & unnecessarily judging the hell out of our own.

Did you see legsdiamond post earlier today?

fuck you.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

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