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"Forget Brian Williams, it’s Hillary Clinton’s lie that matters..."


          

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/8/jospeh-curl-forget-brian-williams-its-hillary-clin/

Forget Brian Williams, it’s Hillary Clinton’s lie that matters

By Joseph Curl - - Sunday, February 8, 2015

ANALYSIS/OPINION:

One rainy evening, three people walked into a bar and sat down. One was grim, another solemn, while the sole woman among them was absolutely giddy. The bartender poured a few shots of whiskey and said to the trio, “Why so grim, so solemn, so giddy?”

The grim man with squinty eyes and a huge forehead went first. “My life is over. I ‘conflated’ a couple of war stories, said I was aboard a helicopter in Iraq that got shot down when I wasn’t. Now, everything I’ve worked for my whole life is gone.”


“Gee, that’s tough,” said the bartender.

The even more-horse-faced solemn man next to him went next. “I said I won a bunch of medals for honor and bravery as captain of a fast patrol boat in Vietnam, but then all my comrades swiftly said I was lying. I lost the job I really wanted.”

“Damn. Rough. What about you, lady?” the bartender said to the broadly smiling blonde.

“Ha! I once lied and said I outran sniper fire in Bosnia. They even had videotape of me walking calmly across the tarmac to meet a little girl who gave me a poem — a poem! And I’m probably going to be the next president of the United States!”

Let’s get something straight right out of the chute: Brian Williams is just a guy on TV. He’s not even a reporter, he just reads a 20-second intro into a story gathered by real journalists. In Europe, he wouldn’t even be called an “anchor” — a too-lofty term for what he does — he’d be called a “presenter.” Rightly so.

Second, no one elected Mr. Williams to anything. He’s a paid employee (reportedly $10 million a year) at NBC — which also operates the decidedly liberal MSNBC (of course, there’s a lot of crossover between the two). In that way, he’s like a plumber who works for Roto-Rooter: An employee who calls in sick now and then and occasionally has to attend that HR presentation on sexual harassment in the office.

So, here’s the thing: If you don’t like that he lied about being in a helicopter that was hit by an RPG — you have but one way to voice your displeasure: Turn the channel. (And by the way … he most assuredly did “lie about,” not “conflate” the RPG attack. How do you “conflate” the time you weren’t on a helicopter that was hit with an RPG with the time you were on a helicopter that didn’t get hit with an RPG?)

It’s far from clear whether Mr. Williams will survive his now-too-numerous-to-list lies — another whopper comes out every day (like the one about seeing a dead body float by in the French Quarter after Hurricane Katrina, except that the French Quarter never flooded). A few sources inside NBC tell me it’s touch and go: The top brass want to ride out the storm while lower-level managers — you know, the ones who do the real work — say he just can’t stay.

But he’s just a TV personality, another hubris-filled, shallow egotist. NBC doesn’t care what you think, and if they decide he stays, he stays. You don’t have any say in the matter: It’s a corporate issue.

But not at all so for Hillary Rodham Clinton. In March 2008, giving a foreign policy speech on Iraq about her days as first lady and a trip to Tuzla, Bosnia, she delivered an unbelievable tale.

“I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base.”

So, picture that: Chopper lands, sniper bullets pinging and zinging everywhere, she and her comrades sprinting across the tarmac, perhaps zigzagging to throw off the sharpshooter.

But it didn’t happen. None of it. Right after the speech, she was asked about the sniper fire. “There was no greeting ceremony, and we basically were told to run to our cars. Now, that is what happened,” she lied.

A week later, she changed her whole story, telling the Philadelphia Daily News editorial board that she “misspoke.” Yes, she said that word. When she said snipers had fired at her, when really a little girl had given her a poem, that was her just “misspeaking.”

The next day, she told reporters: “So I made a mistake. That happens. It shows I’m human, which for some people is a revelation.” Ha ha, oh, she’s so lovely — and human.

Oh, and an incredible liar, a valor thief, a fabulist. And dangerous.

Now, Mr. Williams you’re stuck with. But Hillary? She’s different. She’s no employee of some company — she wants to be the top employee of the American people. You’ll decide. Probably best to just say, “Thanks for applying for the job, but we checked your resume and, well, too mendacious. So, don’t call us, we’ll call you.”

• Joseph Curl covered the White House and politics for a decade for The Washington Times. He can be reached at josephcurl@gmail.com and on Twitter @josephcurl.


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uh...no.
Jul 13th 2015
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Once the campaigns become hot and heavy it will be used to...
Jul 14th 2015
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that's great.
Jul 14th 2015
10
The picture of Hillary has been already been painted for decades
Jul 14th 2015
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      there are a lot of undecideds out there, opponents will go back and dig....
Jul 14th 2015
14
           Whitewater?
Jul 14th 2015
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                Benghazi is her whitewater
Jul 14th 2015
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                     i doubt any of that will have much impact.
Jul 14th 2015
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                          Benghazi is her baby even though she faked a concussion and let Susan...
Jul 14th 2015
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                               if there were any fire under all of that smoke
Jul 14th 2015
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                                    we'll see.
Jul 14th 2015
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                                         we already saw.
Jul 14th 2015
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                                              Its not over, I don't know what makes you think Hillary is so iron-clad....
Jul 14th 2015
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                                                   she lost to a dude with Hussein in his name
Jul 14th 2015
34
                                                   They have been "ripping" her over Benghazi for years!
Jul 14th 2015
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                                                   The right has but the left? nah, not at all
Jul 14th 2015
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                                                        First off, you're acting like there's a primary.
Jul 14th 2015
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                                                             Not all Dems are libs and acting like she has it won..
Jul 14th 2015
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                                                             The primary, yes, she has it won.
Jul 14th 2015
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                                                             I don't know why you keep saying "there's nothing there" with Benghazi.....
Jul 14th 2015
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                                                                  I keep saying it because *there's nothing there.*
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                                                   ..and that dude was a rising star in the party.
Jul 14th 2015
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                                                        all true... but it shows that nothing is guaranteed
Jul 14th 2015
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                                                        uh huh. sure.
Jul 14th 2015
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                                                        I remember Jim Lehrer said, even before he started the speech,
Jul 14th 2015
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                                                        who the fuck is Jim Lehrer?
Jul 14th 2015
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                                                             You're losing track of the point.
Jul 14th 2015
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                                                                  My point is if she can be beat by a Black man with Hussein
Jul 14th 2015
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                                                                       you keep making the same point.
Jul 14th 2015
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                                                                       Again, she was beaten by one of the best politicians of the last century...
Jul 14th 2015
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                                                                            I'm curious to see if she learned from her mistakes
Jul 14th 2015
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                                                        most black people didn't think Obama had a shot, even most of the...
Jul 14th 2015
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                                                             yup. Maya and a few others jumped on Hillary's wagon early
Jul 14th 2015
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                                                             almost all them cogressional black caucus negroes, Jesse, Tavis, all the...
Jul 14th 2015
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                                                                  yup... granted there is no young rising star this time around..
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                                                                       it's relative, at least for me.
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                                                             k.
Jul 14th 2015
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                                                   great.
Jul 14th 2015
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Running against Bernie Sanders credibility will be question number 1 nm....
Jul 14th 2015
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      it won't.
Jul 14th 2015
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they gon' get you...
Jul 13th 2015
2
funny how in talking about lying and misspeaking
Jul 13th 2015
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Does it though?
Jul 13th 2015
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      The Kerry story was much bigger and much better timed.
Jul 14th 2015
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      His premise is that lies ruin credibility and make you unfit for service
Jul 14th 2015
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I know politicians lie but why would she lie about that shit?
Jul 13th 2015
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To make people think she's a real states person and not just riding...
Jul 14th 2015
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Professional liar, like most politicians at that level
Jul 14th 2015
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Not to say that article isn't accurate, but
Jul 14th 2015
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This is a stupid article for dummies from a stupid newspaper
Jul 14th 2015
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Meh, I don't love Hillary Clinton but I think Brian Williams got a bad d...
Jul 14th 2015
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i agree w/ all the Brian Williams points in the article.
Jul 14th 2015
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but none of the Hilary ones?
Jul 14th 2015
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This is an opinion piece in the Washington Times, everybody.
Jul 14th 2015
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Did she lie about being under sniper fire or not?
Jul 14th 2015
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It wouldn't surprise me if she exaggerated.
Jul 14th 2015
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      lol, it wasn't an "exaggeration" she flat out LIED about being shot at b...
Jul 14th 2015
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           Brian Williams was a news anchor. She's a politician.
Jul 14th 2015
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...and it's about 5 months old.
Jul 14th 2015
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i dunno
Jul 14th 2015
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sure.
Jul 14th 2015
29
The campaigns and the debates haven't started yet, it WILL come back up....
Jul 14th 2015
28
i couldn't care less, hombre.
Jul 14th 2015
30
You seem to be another die-hard Team Hillary, I am not.
Jul 14th 2015
32
*shrugs*
Jul 14th 2015
41
If Joe Biden decided to run then you'd care.
Jul 14th 2015
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      i wouldn't care then either.
Jul 14th 2015
42
It will come up, and people will yawn,
Jul 14th 2015
35
      GOP? LOL... she has to win the Dem nomination first
Jul 14th 2015
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           How quaint. You really think she might not win the nomination.
Jul 14th 2015
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                I think its hers to lose... but it was hers to lose last time and lost.
Jul 14th 2015
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                     she won't.
Jul 14th 2015
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Years, from what I remember.
Jul 14th 2015
33
      but you are talking about the people in Hillaries camp
Jul 14th 2015
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      No, I'm talking about the general public.
Jul 14th 2015
49
           shit stuck to them when they ran against Obama
Jul 14th 2015
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                Bill's SC comment did damage, but that damage was deserved.
Jul 14th 2015
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                     during the primaries everything you say is under a microscope
Jul 14th 2015
59
                          no, it won't.
Jul 14th 2015
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                          yall said the same thing in 2007...lol
Jul 14th 2015
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                               2008 - 10 Dem candidates. 2016 - 5 Dem candidates.
Jul 14th 2015
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                               I predicted Barack Obama pretty early on.
Jul 14th 2015
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                                    I predicted it right after his 2004 speech..lol
Jul 14th 2015
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                          Again, OF COURSE these things will come up.
Jul 14th 2015
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      it feels that way to me.
Jul 14th 2015
43
      they aren't "fake scandals" lol, they're all REAL.
Jul 14th 2015
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           I take it you thought Whitewater was real.
Jul 14th 2015
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It wasn't a "yellow cake" lie, but it was still a lie
Jul 14th 2015
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the woman was a Senator and was SOS.
Jul 14th 2015
46
      she a very smart attorney so she's always been about to protect herself....
Jul 14th 2015
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      k.
Jul 14th 2015
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      RE: she a very smart attorney so she's always been about to protect hers...
Jul 14th 2015
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           true, but the GOP is good at making a person defend bullshit
Jul 14th 2015
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           there's multiple reasons why he lost a VERY close election...
Jul 14th 2015
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                RE: there's multiple reasons why he lost a VERY close election...
Jul 15th 2015
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      A minor lie is saying you read a book that you only skimmed.
Jul 15th 2015
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           *shrugs*
Jul 15th 2015
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                of course you don't care, you are in her camp
Jul 15th 2015
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                     I doubt it.
Jul 15th 2015
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aka the Moonie Paper aka Nutjob Chronicles.
Jul 14th 2015
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it's a goofy, nothing lie
Jul 14th 2015
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she could wear a dress made of dead baby skin
Jul 14th 2015
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You just posted a right wing rag opinion as fact..
Jul 14th 2015
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Did she LIE or not?
Jul 14th 2015
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      she misremembered
Jul 14th 2015
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      lol, right, it doesn't matter who's talking about it, it happened.
Jul 14th 2015
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      Yes she lied. The article wants us to think its a huge deal.
Jul 14th 2015
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           it IS a huge deal, what do you think military folks that actually deal.....
Jul 14th 2015
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                how were they affected again?
Jul 14th 2015
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                     they were made angry
Jul 15th 2015
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I'm just here to say that I love the name Lyin' Brian
Jul 14th 2015
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Can't tell if this a conservative agenda...or your insane hate all women...
Jul 15th 2015
107
I think Hillary is a joke and just riding her husband's coattails, I'm.....
Jul 15th 2015
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      just as I thought...
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           we don't care.
Jul 15th 2015
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                I'm still hoping Joe gets his shit together
Jul 15th 2015
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                Me too - he's a fucking lsoer for sure
Jul 15th 2015
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                WTF... Hillary voted for the fucking Iraq war when she was a senator
Jul 15th 2015
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                     It's funny, the biggest Hillary supporters don't know shit about her
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                     did i say i was a hillary supporter?
Jul 15th 2015
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                     Is that the 2016 liberal campaign slogan? Settle For Hillary? Sorry if.....
Jul 15th 2015
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                          . . .
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                               That mentality will result in low voter turnout and a likely GOP win
Jul 15th 2015
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                                    which is why we should all go out and vote for hillary.
Jul 15th 2015
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                                    It will also result in death.
Jul 16th 2015
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                                         RE: It will also result in death.
Jul 16th 2015
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                     that's usually the case
Jul 15th 2015
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                          how much does one need to know to oppose republican candidates?
Jul 15th 2015
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                               you should know her voting record on the war bruh...
Jul 15th 2015
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                                    the entire republican platform is reprehensible
Jul 15th 2015
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                                         I wouldn't vote for one either but I'm smart enough to realize this shit
Jul 15th 2015
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                                              no snark- you don't care either.
Jul 15th 2015
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                                                   no, I care - I'm not confident she will win
Jul 16th 2015
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                                                        And the best she can hope is that she grows old and dies after withering...
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                     She sure did.
Jul 15th 2015
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                     wouldn't do it again? lmao... there aren't an do overs in war.
Jul 15th 2015
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                          would you vote for one of these republican candidates?
Jul 15th 2015
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                          Great.
Jul 15th 2015
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                               when you stop telling us you don't care I will believe you
Jul 15th 2015
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                     which republican candidate is less of a war hawk than hillary?
Jul 15th 2015
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                          is this your way of admitting you were wrong about Hillary's war vote?
Jul 15th 2015
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                               where was i wrong?
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                                    you said she wouldn't drag us into a senseless war like the last repub
Jul 15th 2015
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                                         she would not invade iraq if she was commander in chief.
Jul 15th 2015
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Some of y'all r doing too much in this post.....lol
Jul 16th 2015
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SoWhat
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1. "uh...no."
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well, that 'lie' might matter to ppl who won't vote for Hillary no matter what she says or does. i doubt it matters to anyone else though.

fuck you.

  

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6. "Once the campaigns become hot and heavy it will be used to..."
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paint a picture of her

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10. "that's great."
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fuck you.

  

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11. "The picture of Hillary has been already been painted for decades"
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There are no folks that are undecided by her. Either folks hate her or like her, but I sincerely doubt that there is a news story that will come up that will change peoples opinion about her in the next year and a half.



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14. "there are a lot of undecideds out there, opponents will go back and dig...."
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up all that Whitewater stuff that a lot of younger folks don't know about.

It may not come up in the democratic primary but the GOP will go there.

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16. "Whitewater?"
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LOL

chile, please.

fuck you.

  

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17. "Benghazi is her whitewater"
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and all that dirt from the Clinton Presidency will be thrown on her as well.

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19. "i doubt any of that will have much impact."
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fuck you.

  

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22. "Benghazi is her baby even though she faked a concussion and let Susan..."
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Rice take the heat

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23. "if there were any fire under all of that smoke"
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she'd have already got got.

that dog won't hunt.

fuck you.

  

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25. "we'll see."
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26. "we already saw."
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/clinton-to-appear-before-congress-over-benghazi-attack/2013/01/22/3f03f8ee-64ce-11e2-85f5-a8a9228e55e7_story.html

fuck you.

  

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31. "Its not over, I don't know what makes you think Hillary is so iron-clad...."
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in 2008 she lost to a guy who's name most of the country couldn't even pronounce. She could be "upset" again.

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34. "she lost to a dude with Hussein in his name"
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they are going to rip her over Benghazi and she better not do that awful cackle when she gets pressed on it.







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47. "They have been "ripping" her over Benghazi for years!"
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There's nothing there, and everybody knows it. Nobody cares.

  

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50. "The right has but the left? nah, not at all"
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and you know when the debates start and people start questioning who can "protect" america it's going to get ugly.

Not sure why you are acting like the Dems will play nice in the primaries.

Obama and Hillary took the gloves off last time.

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55. "First off, you're acting like there's a primary."
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Bernie knows he's not gonna go anywhere. He's just working to shift the conversation (and succeeding, thankfully). Martin O'Malley is running for vice president.

Second: why would liberals "take the gloves off" about Benghazi? It's not just that people think there's nothing there. There's actually nothing there, and liberals are fully aware of that.

  

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67. "Not all Dems are libs and acting like she has it won.."
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is a sure way to see her lose again.

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75. "The primary, yes, she has it won. "
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I'd eat my hat.

The resulting race against Scott Walker, we'll see, but it wouldn't be scandals that take her down even in the general.

  

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77. "I don't know why you keep saying "there's nothing there" with Benghazi....."
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because it is and it will definitely comeback up. At the very least she exercised extremely poor judgement in the biggest moment of her state department career. Then there's that email shit too? lol

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80. "I keep saying it because *there's nothing there.*"
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Don't be silly. You know how hard, and for how long, they've been trying to find a scandal? Just because people are talking about it (even on the news) doesn't mean it's worth talking about.

  

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48. "..and that dude was a rising star in the party."
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he had been on the national radar since his captivating speech at the 2004 Dem Convention. remember that red state/blue state thing he said? remember the noise around him being elected Senator 2 yrs after?

Bernie is not Barack. but maybe.

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51. "all true... but it shows that nothing is guaranteed"
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54. "uh huh. sure."
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fuck you.

  

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53. "I remember Jim Lehrer said, even before he started the speech,"
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"people are saying this man might eventually become the first black president."

Barack Obama was not some unknown outsider "with Hussein in his name."

  

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58. "who the fuck is Jim Lehrer?"
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you have to remember that "WE" aren't the general votin block. Most of us watch news programs and care about this shit but the average voter does not.

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62. "You're losing track of the point."
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You tried to make it sound like Hillary was beaten by some unknown politican with "Hussein" in his name. In reality, Barack Obama was one of the most skilled politicians of the last fifty years, and he was a major candidate even well before he announced.

  

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66. "My point is if she can be beat by a Black man with Hussein"
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in his name...

what makes you so sure she has it locked this time around?



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69. "you keep making the same point."
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it's been addressed multiple times.

LOL

one more time - the prez was more than just a Black man w/a Muslim name. he was a rising star w/in the Dem Party who had lots more momentum than Sen. Sanders has today. plus he had that 'dream' about being the 1st black prez. plus he was young. there were so many reasons to be excited about him. Sanders doesn't have that. and no other potential challenger has it.

could she lose again to a candidate like Prez Obama? yes. but THERE ISN'T A CANDIDATE LIKE THAT this time around. Sanders is NOT that candidate. Sanders is a little more exciting than Kucinich - and Hillary beat him in 2008.

fuck you.

  

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70. "Again, she was beaten by one of the best politicians of the last century..."
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I'm not surprised.

She's learned from her mistakes, and more importantly, she's not up against nearly the same kind of competition this time around.

  

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73. "I'm curious to see if she learned from her mistakes"
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78. "most black people didn't think Obama had a shot, even most of the..."
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black Democratic political establishment, most of those negros were team Hillary because they though she had it in the bag, lol.

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83. "yup. Maya and a few others jumped on Hillary's wagon early "
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hell, my cousin's husband lives in DC and he's all suit and tie and he swore Hillary was going to win.

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88. "almost all them cogressional black caucus negroes, Jesse, Tavis, all the..."
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had been team Clinton all along and didn't want to lose their spot

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93. "yup... granted there is no young rising star this time around.."
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but if someone pushed her I could see the same shit happening because everyone thinks she has it in the bag.

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99. "it's relative, at least for me."
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i think Hillary will win the nomination but not b/c i think she's the bestest candidate EVAR but b/c there's no challenger out there who can beat her. and i'm fine w/that b/c i think she would be an effective POTUS - w/o regard for my personal feelings about her. but my 'support' isn't due some any particular affinity for her. i don't dislike her but i don't love her either.

fuck you.

  

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89. "k."
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fuck you.

  

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40. "great."
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fuck you.

  

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100. "Running against Bernie Sanders credibility will be question number 1 nm...."
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101. "it won't. "
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fuck you.

  

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2. "they gon' get you..."
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3. "funny how in talking about lying and misspeaking"
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he referenced John Kerry and the swift boat allegations, which were completely false and disgusting. Kinda ruins whatever point he was trying to make about Hillary.

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4. "Does it though?"
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>he referenced John Kerry and the swift boat allegations,
>which were completely false and disgusting. Kinda ruins
>whatever point he was trying to make about Hillary.

Kerry was ruined for lies he never told. Clinton lied and hasn't lost a step.

I'll bet the irony isn't lost on Kerry.

Just IMO though.

  

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45. "The Kerry story was much bigger and much better timed."
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And it was only one of many reasons he didn't win.

The main reason the swift boat story stuck is because the public had an inaccurate impression of Kerry and his life. With Hillary, they have a pretty accurate impression: she's a politician, she's very competent, she drives Republicans ballistic, and they make up stories about her. Therefore, the "scandals" don't stick.

This is how it ended up working with Bill, too.

  

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91. "His premise is that lies ruin credibility and make you unfit for service"
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So by lying about John Kerry, he himself has ruined his credibility and made the rest of the article moot, according to his own logic.

*Jews you*

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5. "I know politicians lie but why would she lie about that shit? "
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do you make so many trips and hear so many stories that you eventually believe you were there or is this part of being a professional liar?

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7. "To make people think she's a real states person and not just riding..."
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her husbands coattails

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15. "Professional liar, like most politicians at that level"
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>do you make so many trips and hear so many stories that you
>eventually believe you were there or is this part of being a
>professional liar?

<-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><->
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8. "Not to say that article isn't accurate, but"
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the Washington Times leans very hard to the right. I'm sure that paper had Hilary Clinton in their crosshairs literally for decades now.

  

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9. "This is a stupid article for dummies from a stupid newspaper"
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12. "Meh, I don't love Hillary Clinton but I think Brian Williams got a bad d..."
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I guess I am use to people exaggerating their military experience.



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18. "but none of the Hilary ones?"
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20. "This is an opinion piece in the Washington Times, everybody."
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In case anyone doesn't know, the Washington Times is not the Washington Post.

Ooh, I wonder what Breitbart has to say about her honesty! Or Newsmax! How about Drudge!

  

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21. "Did she lie about being under sniper fire or not?"
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38. "It wouldn't surprise me if she exaggerated."
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Or if she misunderstood. Or if she's completely right and the right wing echo chamber is making up this story out of thin air, as they've done so many times before.

But the more crucial point: who the fuck cares?

  

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79. "lol, it wasn't an "exaggeration" she flat out LIED about being shot at b..."
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snipers.

It was enough of an integrity hit for Brian Williams to lose his job as a news anchor but she can be president?

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82. "Brian Williams was a news anchor. She's a politician."
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You ever heard of this guy, Richard Nixon?

  

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24. "...and it's about 5 months old."
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which says that if it had any teeth Hillary would already be dealing w/fallout from it.

she's not.

b/c it has no teeth.

b/c no one gives a damn about the story that inspired the editorial.

fuck you.

  

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27. "i dunno"
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i hear it still has traction with the undecideds

but then again everything does

but such a blatant and unnecessary lie just screams...nah

shit, it's helping to steer me away from her and i rarely go 3rd party

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29. "sure."
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fuck you.

  

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28. "The campaigns and the debates haven't started yet, it WILL come back up...."
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my question is what positives has she accomplished that will overshadow all this?

What's her signature moment in 20+ years of public service(because she tries to count her First Lady time too)?

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30. "i couldn't care less, hombre."
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have fun storming the castle!

fuck you.

  

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32. "You seem to be another die-hard Team Hillary, I am not."
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41. "*shrugs*"
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i already know i'll vote for her if she wins the nomination. i don't give a damn about the rest. and i don't find elections entertaining so i have little reason to follow this one.

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36. "If Joe Biden decided to run then you'd care."
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All she needs is a viable democratic candidate to throw their hat in the ring, and all this stuff you say isn't 'sticking' will start to. The reason it isn't sticking is because alot of media houses dont see a narrative affixed to it.

Right now, lying about sniper fire is 'right wing hogwash,' but if Biden or someone high wattage started rising in the polls, alot of these magazines would start running "Biden tells the truth, Hillary lies" type articles.

For right now though, you're right, it's a non story.

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42. "i wouldn't care then either."
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b/c i already know i'll vote for him if he wins the nomination.

plus i don't find elections entertaining so i'd still have little reason to follow this even if he were running.

fuck you.

  

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35. "It will come up, and people will yawn,"
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as they have about this every time it's come up before, as they did about Benghazi, as they did about the email server, as they did about Whitewater. People know everything they need to know about Hillary Clinton at this point. And one of the things they know most of all is that the Republicans will pointlessly inflate trivial scandals and pseudo-scandals on a weekly basis. No big deal.

  

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37. "GOP? LOL... she has to win the Dem nomination first"
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Dems are going to press her on this and it will get traction. I'm interested to see how she handles it.

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56. "How quaint. You really think she might not win the nomination. "
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60. "I think its hers to lose... but it was hers to lose last time and lost. "
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a lot of people don't like Hillary and a lot of people are tired of seeing the same names running for office.

All I remember was last time when shit got right she wasn't ready. She was pressed for answers and she cackled instead of serving up good sound bites.

She has the name but not much else... honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if she lost again.

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64. "she won't."
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the last time she lost to a candidate who had much more traction than Sanders.

if she loses in the general it'll be b/c too many Dems stayed home b/c they're disgusted by the process due to the factors you brought up. but none of that will hurt her in the primary - at least not enough that she won't win the nomination.

and really...forget her. the vote is about issues bigger than her - like which party is going to control the WH and from which party the various nominees and appointees for various federal executive and judiciary positions will be drawn (up to and including SCOTUS justices). whether one likes or dislikes Hillary is of no moment. focusing there is short-sighted and foolish. that's how we ended up w/8 yrs of W. fuck that. fuck your feelings. vote for your interest. a 3rd party candidate won't win and couldn't govern if s/he did. the only choice like or not is between the 2 majors. which of them will harm you and your interests the least? w/o regard for which face of which party you'd rather have a beer with or which of them gives you more warm-fuzzies when you hear her/him speak. the last time around i got lucky in that i got to vote for a candidate i liked personally and whose politics lined up w/my interests. that was awesome. it likely won't happen again in my lifetime. and so this time around i'm 100% pragmatic - i'm voting for the party i want to see in control of the WH and i don't care who wins that party's nomination.

fuck you.

  

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33. "Years, from what I remember."
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This is one of the things about Hillary. People have seen one fake scandal after another, and they're learning not to pay them much attention. At this point, she's less scandal prone than any other politician, just because the Republicans have cried wolf for so many decades.

  

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39. "but you are talking about the people in Hillaries camp"
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of course they will yawn and ignore it.

However, when the debates are going on for the Dem nomination she will have to show and prove.

Obama made easy work of her because she wasn't expecting a race, didn't budget for a long campaign and had no clue what the rules were for the Dem primaries.

While it's hers to lose we saw her do just that when Obama showed up. Also have to factor on those who won't vote for a woman.

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49. "No, I'm talking about the general public."
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Undecideds, even Republicans when they're pressed.

It was precisely the same way with Bill. People got the impression (right or wrong) that he was occasionally casual with facts (often in service of actually getting work done). But they also had mountains of evidence that people make up stories about him. So nothing sticks to him either, and it shouldn't.

  

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52. "shit stuck to them when they ran against Obama"
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all of a sudden Bill was racist and Hillary was aloof.

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57. "Bill's SC comment did damage, but that damage was deserved."
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Hillary aloof? Was this a new revelation to people? Nobody cared, and still nobody cares.

Barack Obama won the nomination by being a better campaigner, having a better team with better technology, and by being the right person for the moment. Scandals were irrelevant, on both sides.

  

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59. "during the primaries everything you say is under a microscope"
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if she slips up when asked about emails or benghazi... it will be repeated over and over again.

there isn't room for errors and while you think these scandals are behind her, they are not.

you don't think Chubb Rock in NJ isn't going to get pressed over the bridge rolls being shit down? shiiiit.

They being up dog carriers and what you did 30 years ago in college. Best believe Benghazi and those emails will be brought up and she better have some answers ready.

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65. "no, it won't."
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that'd be true if she were facing a real primary season. she's not.

that'll happen on the GOP side though - b/c they're having a real primary season.

fuck you.

  

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71. "yall said the same thing in 2007...lol"
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74. "2008 - 10 Dem candidates. 2016 - 5 Dem candidates."
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of those 10 from 2008 - 2 were some of the best campaigners on the horizon in decades.

in 2016 - only 1 of the official and expected candidates can be said to be among the best in decades. and this time she's acquired wisdom from the 2008 election plus she's spent time in a Cabinet position.

but yes...she lost in 2008 so she could lose again. it's totally possible. not likely but possible.

fuck you.

  

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76. "I predicted Barack Obama pretty early on."
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Right after super tuesday, as I remember, and I guessed a tossup between Barack and Hillary before then.

You're welcome to comb the archives.

  

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86. "I predicted it right after his 2004 speech..lol"
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my mom went back to school and did her graduate work at U of Chicago. She told me about this man who gave lectures who was talk, light with dark lips...

I was like "ma, chill... I don't need to know all that"

but she was on a college campus. All my aunts and uncles back home tho.. the ones who don't follow politics like that... all of them were like "Obama? what is he?"

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68. "Again, OF COURSE these things will come up."
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They come up about everybody, as you just noted. The difference is that people expect them to come up with Hillary, and they're primed to ignore them.

There could be a REAL scandal about Hillary (not that I expect one), and it'll roll off her back, because the vast majority of the country, including Republicans, know that with her it's just a game at this point.

  

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43. "it feels that way to me."
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fuck you.

  

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81. "they aren't "fake scandals" lol, they're all REAL."
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84. "I take it you thought Whitewater was real."
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Ooh, did you hear that they murdered Vince Foster? I read all about it in an email.

  

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44. "It wasn't a "yellow cake" lie, but it was still a lie"
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It's not a showstopper but it's the kind of casual but gross exaggeration you wouldn't expect from a serious person, talking about serious business.

<-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><->
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46. "the woman was a Senator and was SOS."
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if they find something she lied about that actually had some real impact on one of her job duties in either of those very important jobs then that could very well be her downfall. but if all they can find are little lies like this - or some 20 to 30 year old shit from Arkansas?

chile please. LOL.

remember her husband? he lied under oath and the ppl didn't give a damn. why? b/c the lie was about an issue that amounted to a trifle. it didn't say much about his character b/c the ppl were able to wrap too much context around it. the lie didn't hurt him. and those who pushed for his impeachment came out looking like fools.

the idea that ppl expect our politicians to be 100% above reproach is a fantasy. we don't mind if they lie about minor shit. and this is some minor shit. so if the GOP wants to make something of this i think that'd be ill-advised. but if that's all they've got then...well, they'll have to run w/it, i guess. i doubt that dog will hunt though.

fuck you.

  

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85. "she a very smart attorney so she's always been about to protect herself...."
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from being held LEGALLY responsible for anything but the court of public opinion is a different matter and it will factor in the election.

Al Gore lost a very close election to some extent because he was portrayed as liar based on the perception that he claimed that he "invented the Internet" even though he never actually said that.

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90. "k."
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fuck you.

  

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94. "RE: she a very smart attorney so she's always been about to protect hers..."
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>from being held LEGALLY responsible for anything but the
>court of public opinion is a different matter and it will
>factor in the election.
>
>Al Gore lost a very close election to some extent because he
>was portrayed as liar based on the perception that he claimed
>that he "invented the Internet" even though he never actually
>said that.


lol...that's not why Gore lost that election.....

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96. "true, but the GOP is good at making a person defend bullshit"
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so they can't addres the real issues.

Best believe they will scream benches and sniper fire the whole election of she wins the nomination

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97. "there's multiple reasons why he lost a VERY close election..."
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>>from being held LEGALLY responsible for anything but the
>>court of public opinion is a different matter and it will
>>factor in the election.
>>
>>Al Gore lost a very close election to some extent because he
>>was portrayed as liar based on the perception that he
>claimed
>>that he "invented the Internet" even though he never
>actually
>>said that.
>
>
>lol...that's not why Gore lost that election.....

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128. "RE: there's multiple reasons why he lost a VERY close election..."
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True....but that whole "I created the Internet" line ain't one of those reasons...At all...

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106. "A minor lie is saying you read a book that you only skimmed."
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She lied about being under sniper fire.

She told that particular lie for a particular reason, because it sounds like some shit that should impress people or at least give an idea of the types of things that she deals with.

Lying about it isn't the worst thing in the world, but it does make you look like an asshole.


  

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110. "*shrugs*"
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idc @ all.

fuck you.

  

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115. "of course you don't care, you are in her camp"
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we are talking about people who aren't die hard Hillary supporters...

they will care.

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118. "I doubt it."
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See also: President William Jefferson Clinton's impeachment trial.

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102. "aka the Moonie Paper aka Nutjob Chronicles. "
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61. "it's a goofy, nothing lie"
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if it's something that would hurt her, she'd have been finished 7 years ago when this first came up.

it will come up again come general election time, the am radio/breitbart crowd will try to to push it, then when it doesn't stick, they'll go back to benghazi, and emails, or the clinton foundation, or whatever comes up on the wheel that day

  

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63. "she could wear a dress made of dead baby skin"
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and the folks who have already decided to vote for her won't change one bit

the same way folks can do stupid stuff like vote for trump or conan

truth and all that means nothing to them type of folks

which is why everyone lies (i.e. - tells their people what they want to hear)

in the end its gonna be whomever has the bigger pool of "as long as *they* don't win" folks

  

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72. "You just posted a right wing rag opinion as fact.."
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::points to you and laughs::

yupyupyupyupyupyupyupyupyupyupyupyupyupyup

  

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87. "Did she LIE or not?"
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http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/mar/25/hillary-clinton/video-shows-tarmac-welcome-no-snipers/

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/25/campaign.wrap/index.html?iref=hpmostpop

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92. "she misremembered"
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98. "lol, right, it doesn't matter who's talking about it, it happened."
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103. "Yes she lied. The article wants us to think its a huge deal."
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It's not. She deserves to get clowned for it. If she's smart, she'll even make fun of herself for it, but in the end, it's a nothing goofy lie that affects no one, and means nothing to anyone except people who already hate her.

  

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104. "it IS a huge deal, what do you think military folks that actually deal....."
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with REAL sniper fire think of her being their commander in chief?

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105. "how were they affected again?"
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exactly

  

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108. "they were made angry"
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lol, what type of question is that?

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95. "I'm just here to say that I love the name Lyin' Brian"
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107. "Can't tell if this a conservative agenda...or your insane hate all women..."
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Cld go either way

  

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109. "I think Hillary is a joke and just riding her husband's coattails, I'm....."
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still waiting for someone to tell be what her biggest accomplishment is as a senator or SOS, she has a long list of fuckups.

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111. "just as I thought..."
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>still waiting for someone to tell be what her biggest
>accomplishment is as a senator or SOS, she has a long list of
>fuckups.

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112. "we don't care."
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we want hillary to win because
she is a democrat and is less likely than a republican to appoint a bigoted, ass backwards judge to the supreme court.

that is why we don't care about this shit.

as for her accomplishments,
she succeeded in convincing us that she will not lead the country into a dumb war, like republicans did a few years ago.

that's enough.


no republican candidate has convinced me they won't fuck shit up worse.

hillary is the only democrat we can see winning the primaries.

because who is competing with her?

we don't, and can't care.



  

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113. "I'm still hoping Joe gets his shit together"
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114. "Me too - he's a fucking lsoer for sure"
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Face it, if you were HONEST you'd support Trump.

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116. "WTF... Hillary voted for the fucking Iraq war when she was a senator"
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Obama used her vote for the war over and over in the debates.

so, no... she probably would have led us into the same war as W.

y'all better wake the fuck up and realise this won't be as easy as you think.

I know y'all don't care but damn... you could care enough to use facts

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117. "It's funny, the biggest Hillary supporters don't know shit about her"
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120. "did i say i was a hillary supporter?"
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which republican candidate would be better than hillary?

can you name one?

  

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126. "Is that the 2016 liberal campaign slogan? Settle For Hillary? Sorry if....."
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I'm not enthusiastically jumping on board with that. I'm still holding out hope that another viable democratic option emerges.

The GOP will have Hillary looking like the wicked witch of the west in the general election.

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129. ". . ."
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=12500318&mesg_id=12500318&listing_type=search#12752953

fuck you.

  

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135. "That mentality will result in low voter turnout and a likely GOP win"
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140. "which is why we should all go out and vote for hillary."
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do you want these republicans holdng the presidency?

have you seen these guys?

the fact that hillary is the obvious choice makes it important for all of us to get over ourselves and vote for hillary.

  

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143. "It will also result in death."
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As everyone who votes for Hillary is assured death.

fuck you.

  

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145. "RE: It will also result in death."
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>As everyone who votes for Hillary is assured death.

Ha!

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121. "that's usually the case"
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124. "how much does one need to know to oppose republican candidates?"
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have you seen the republicans running for president?

how much research does it take to see hillary is more level headed than them?

  

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132. "you should know her voting record on the war bruh... "
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just sayin'

nothing worse than a supporter looking like a fool by saying she wouldn't lead us into a senseless war like W when she actually voted for that same senseless war.

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134. "the entire republican platform is reprehensible"
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i am not voting for one.
i have studied republicans enough to know that hillary will be better.





>just sayin'
>
>nothing worse than a supporter looking like a fool by saying
>she wouldn't lead us into a senseless war like W when she
>actually voted for that same senseless war.
>
>

  

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137. "I wouldn't vote for one either but I'm smart enough to realize this shit"
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goes in cycles and after Obama I expect the GOP to come out in record numbers. Hillary isn't well liked IMO and I think we need to have a convo about her shortcomings so we aren't caught off guard when they are front stage.

I don't see her winning this election.

I will vote for her but I don't see it.

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139. "no snark- you don't care either."
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>I will vote for her but I don't see it.
>


see? you are still voting for Hillary.

even with the stuff you are sayijg in this post... it is
not enough to make you not vote for her.

we are right there with you.

we are voting for hillary.
we hope she wins, and not a republican.

we know that's what's important.

  

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142. "no, I care - I'm not confident she will win "
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and it's due to these scandals and how she handles them.

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144. "And the best she can hope is that she grows old and dies after withering..."
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She will have plenty time to sit alone and wonder where it all went wrong. Maybe she can find the answer. It will likely be too late. The next generation can do better - but it won't matter bc they'll be dead too. Some day.

fuck you.

  

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119. "She sure did."
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And has said she wouldn't do it again. GOP candidates are hemming and hawing on that issue. Sanders voted against the war and he'll use that this time around as an attack on Hillary. And I don't care about it at all.

fuck you.

  

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123. "wouldn't do it again? lmao... there aren't an do overs in war. "
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125. "would you vote for one of these republican candidates?"
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okay.

hillary it is.

  

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127. "Great."
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I couldn't care less.

fuck you.

  

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130. "when you stop telling us you don't care I will believe you"
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122. "which republican candidate is less of a war hawk than hillary?"
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can you name one?

okay.

we don't care.



>Obama used her vote for the war over and over in the debates.
>
>
>so, no... she probably would have led us into the same war as
>W.
>
>y'all better wake the fuck up and realise this won't be as
>easy as you think.
>
>I know y'all don't care but damn... you could care enough to
>use facts

  

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131. "is this your way of admitting you were wrong about Hillary's war vote?"
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133. "where was i wrong?"
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nothing about Hillary's senate record will make me believe one of these republicans is a better choice.


i don't even like the woman.
but christ...

look at these candidates.


  

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136. "you said she wouldn't drag us into a senseless war like the last repub"
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and she voted for that war...

she helped drag us into it.

I ain't said a word about the repubs fielding better candidates.

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138. "she would not invade iraq if she was commander in chief."
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she did not drum up any wars as SOS.

she is not insane, is what i am saying.

sometimes politicians pander and flip flop.



but you can tell when ppl don't know the ledge.

hillary is not a crazy person.
she will not appoint crazy ppl to the supreme court.


she gets my vote.
that's how low the bar is for president now.


are they not crazy?
that's who wins.


>and she voted for that war...
>
>she helped drag us into it.
>
>I ain't said a word about the repubs fielding better
>candidates.
>
>

  

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141. "Some of y'all r doing too much in this post.....lol"
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Let's pause with making politics so needlessly complex like we searching for the missing link or some arduous shit....lol

Why would I vote for Killer Hill over Bernie?

Because I know she has the better chance to win a general election...

Why do I trust H. Clinton over a Republican candidate?

Because I am in more in line with the Democratic agenda than the far-right doctrine that has seemingly consumed the Republicans....

It's simple folks...A Republican president will attempt to stack the Supreme Court with extreme/conservative judges (we've seen how important it is to have center right/center left/liberal judges in the court given the recent rulings that have made news....)...

We can say what we want about Hilliary voting for the war....But that was clearly a brazenly calculated, political move with eyes for higher office on some I'M A WOMAN AND I WILL KICK ASS FOR AMERICA shit....Obeezy, who at the time was just a young pup in the game, could afford to vote NO....There was no talk of Obama running for president back then. But there was talk of Killer Hill going for that nomination...So what ended up happening? The country got war fatigue because W presided over the horrendous occupation of Iraq....

Shit happens....

For me it's quite simple. I'm going to vote for the party that's not crazy on this kind of fuckery:

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/can-confederate-flags-cause-government-shutdown



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