Please start at 2:04 and watch this man WORK this Social Justice message into the hearts of the people and call them to action.


Dr. Jamal H. Bryant, I Can't Stop Crying
https://youtu.be/6KSwoVHIRSk

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with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,”
and believe in your heart that
God raised him from the dead,
you will be saved."

When the Black church was a galvanizing force within the community? Sometimes I wish for revisiting lol. Good clip. Thanks.

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Enter the Written World of Fahim Malik Nassar

The House of Caine (available)

Melancholoy Funk (available)

Tha Anthology (Words 2001-2003) Poetry inspired by OKP and Wash, DC
(available)

The Spook who sat by the Radio Poetry (av

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"Romans 10 : 9 says, "If you declare
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and believe in your heart that
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you will be saved."

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we aint the two and i aint the one- lyte

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"Romans 10 : 9 says, "If you declare
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God raised him from the dead,
you will be saved."

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we aint the two and i aint the one- lyte

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"Romans 10 : 9 says, "If you declare
with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,”
and believe in your heart that
God raised him from the dead,
you will be saved."

they're speaking won't interfere with their candidate getting elected.

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"Romans 10 : 9 says, "If you declare
with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,”
and believe in your heart that
God raised him from the dead,
you will be saved."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/28/otis-moss-iii-challenges-on-marriage-equality_n_1550449.html

My Brother:

Tell your brethren who are part of your ministerial coalition to “live their faith and not legislate their faith” for the Constitution is designed to protect the rights of all. We must learn to be more than a one-issue community and seek the beloved community where we may not all agree, but we all recognize the fingerprint of the Divine upon all of humanity.

There is no doubt people who are same-gender-loving who occupy prominent places in the body of Christ. For the clergy to hide from true dialogue with quick dismissive claims devised from poor biblical scholarship is as sinful as unthoughtful acceptance of a theological position. When we make biblical claims without sound interpretation we run the risk of adopting a doctrinal position of deep conviction but devoid of love. Deep faith may resonate in our position, but it is the ethic of love that forces us to prayerfully reexamine our position.

The question I believe we should pose to our congregations is, “Should all Americans have the same civil rights?” This is a radically different question than the one you raised with the ministers, “Does the church have the right to perform or not perform certain religious rites.” There is difference between rights and rites. We should never misconstrue rights designed to protect diverse individuals in a pluralistic society versus religious rites designed by faith communities to communicate a theological or doctrinal perspective. These two questions are answered in two fundamentally different arenas. One is answered in the arena of civic debate where the Constitution is the document of authority. The other is answered in the realm of ecclesiastical councils where theology, conscience and biblical mandates are the guiding ethos. I do not believe ecclesiastical councils are equipped to shape civic legislation nor are civic representatives equipped to shape religious rituals and doctrine.

The institution of marriage is not under attack as a result of the President’s words. Marriage was under attack years ago by men who viewed women as property and children as trophies of sexual prowess. Marriage is under attack by low wages, high incarceration, unfair tax policy, unemployment, and lack of education. Marriage is under attack by clergy who proclaim monogamy yet think nothing of stepping outside the bonds of marriage to have multiple affairs with “preaching groupies.” Same-gender couples did not cause the high divorce rate, but our adolescent views of relationships and our inability as a community to come to grips with the ethic of love and commitment did. We still confuse sex with love and romance with commitment.

My father, who is a veteran of the civil rights movement and retired pastor, eloquently stated the critical nature of this election when speaking to ministers this past week who claim they will pull support from the President as a result of his position. He stated, “Our Ancestors prayed for 389 years to place a person of color in the White House. They led over 200 slave revolts, fought in 11 wars, one being a civil war where over 600,000 people died. Our mothers fought and were killed for women’s suffrage, our grandparents were lynched for the civil rights bill of 1964 and the voting rights act of 1965…my father never had the opportunity to vote and I believe it is my sacred duty to pull the lever for every member of my family who was denied the right to vote. I will not allow narrow-minded ministers or regressive politicians the satisfaction of keeping me from my sacred right to vote to shape the future for my grandchildren.”

“The institution of marriage is not under attack as a result of the President’s words.”

Gay and lesbian citizens did not cause the economic crash, foreclosures, and attack upon health care. Poor underfunded schools were not created because people desire equal protection under the law. We have much work to do as a community, and to claim the President of the United States must hold your theological position is absurd. He is President of the United States of America not the President of the Baptist convention or Bishop of the Sanctified or Holiness Church. He is called to protect the rights of Jew and Gentile, male and female, young and old, Gay and straight, black and white, Atheist and Agnostic. It should be noted the President offered no legislation, or executive order, or present an argument before the Supreme Court. He simply stated his personal conviction.

If we dare steal away from the noise of this debate, we will realize as a church we are called to “Do justice, live mercy and walk humbly with God.” Gay people have never been the enemy; and when we use rhetoric to suggest they are the source of our problems we lie on God and cause tears to flow from the eyes of Christ.

I am not asking you to change your position, but I am stating we must stay in dialogue and not allow our own personal emotional prejudices or doctrines to prevent us from seeing the possibilities of a beloved community.

November is fast approaching, and the spirits of Ella Baker, Septima Clarke, Fannie Lou Hammer, Rosa Parks, A. Phillip Randolph, James Orange, Medgar Evers and Martin Luther, King Jr. stand in the balcony of heaven raising the question, “Will you do justice, live mercy and walk humbly with our God?” Emmitt Till and the four little girls who were assassinated in Alabama during worship did not die for a Sunday sermonic sound bite to show disdain for one group of God’s people. They were killed by an evil act enacted by men who believed in doctrine over love. We serve in ministry this day because of a man who believed in love over doctrine and died on a hill called Calvary in a dusty Palestinian community 2,000 years ago. Do not let the rhetoric of this debate keep you from the polls, my friend.

Asking you to imagine a beloved community, your brother and friend,

Otis Moss, III
Senior Pastor
Trinity UCC

fuck you.

And Rev. Moss isn't one of the preachers, he's one of the panders.


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"Romans 10 : 9 says, "If you declare
with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,”
and believe in your heart that
God raised him from the dead,
you will be saved."

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"Romans 10 : 9 says, "If you declare
with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,”
and believe in your heart that
God raised him from the dead,
you will be saved."

any and every other "minister of the gospel," but take issue with Rev. Otis Moss III. You have a problem with an all-inclusive message of love?

> any and every other "minister of the gospel," but take issue
>with Rev. Otis Moss III. You have a problem with an
>all-inclusive message of love?


It's all good. You're focusing on the wrong issue. But it's all good. And love has nothing to do with acceptance.



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"Romans 10 : 9 says, "If you declare
with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,”
and believe in your heart that
God raised him from the dead,
you will be saved."

taught at home AND at church about arguing with a certain kind of person.

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Enter the Written World of Fahim Malik Nassar

The House of Caine (available)

Melancholoy Funk (available)

Tha Anthology (Words 2001-2003) Poetry inspired by OKP and Wash, DC
(available)

The Spook who sat by the Radio Poetry (av

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and believe in your heart that
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and believe in your heart that
God raised him from the dead,
you will be saved."

fuck you.

if a preacher wants a mansion and a yacht its cool but if he preached inclusion he is pandering.

smh...

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

those of us actually working in social justice fields have no time for this. the whole point is that EVERYONE gets equity, not just people we like or think are good. i have to put someone in an affordable home who hates my guts for being black. or being a woman. but that's how it works. if i can't do it, then i have to leave the field, otherwise i am impeding all efforts. if you're a person of the cloth actively seeking to supress the rights of others, there's no place for you. period. you're a part of the problem.

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"if the children are not initiated into the village they will burn it down just to feel its warmth." - african proverb

LOL

i do it b/c i'm committed to the cause - if i only worked for clients i like i'd almost never work.

fuck you.

>those of us actually working in social justice fields have no
>time for this. the whole point is that EVERYONE gets equity,
>not just people we like or think are good. i have to put
>someone in an affordable home who hates my guts for being
>black. or being a woman. but that's how it works. if i can't
>do it, then i have to leave the field, otherwise i am impeding
>all efforts. if you're a person of the cloth actively seeking
>to supress the rights of others, there's no place for you.
>period. your'e a part of the problem.
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That these organisations have a better grasp on Jesus' love than some of these churches do.

Just IMO though.

both organizations i've worked at were started by a coalition of faiths and/or largely lead by christian ministers

i have to think back to that when i see stuff like this and be reminded that there actually are christians who know/do better.

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"if the children are not initiated into the village they will burn it down just to feel its warmth." - african proverb

>both organizations i've worked at were started by a coalition
>of faiths and/or largely lead by christian ministers
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>i have to think back to that when i see stuff like this and be
>reminded that there actually are christians who know/do
>better.

It's a shame that other voices can distract from this point.

Just IMO though.

>those of us actually working in social justice fields have no
>time for this. the whole point is that EVERYONE gets equity,
>not just people we like or think are good. i have to put
>someone in an affordable home who hates my guts for being
>black. or being a woman. but that's how it works. if i can't
>do it, then i have to leave the field, otherwise i am impeding
>all efforts. if you're a person of the cloth actively seeking
>to supress the rights of others, there's no place for you.
>period. you're a part of the problem.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

Man, save the confusion. I'm in here talking about Rev. Bryant doing something active in his community and you're being messy.

No, Wait. He mentioned you in the sermon.

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"Romans 10 : 9 says, "If you declare
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God raised him from the dead,
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not the first time he's done this hypocritical type deal
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then disingenuously painting the criticism they receive as being "persecuted" in the face of actual violence against people of faith

>then disingenuously painting the criticism they receive as
>being "persecuted" in the face of actual violence against
>people of faith
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More of this and less asking for jet money thanks.

We need to preach a love that searches for social justice that honours society's pluarity of (non) faith and lifestyles. We'll be able to better unite vulnerable minorities of all kinds into one force too big to ignore if we achieve that. Right now there are too many only looking out for themselves. White gays who don't support race issues. Minority men who don't support women's issues etc. Find the love, unite, and find greater social justice.

Messages like the one you posted are a good start.

Just IMO though.

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God raised him from the dead,
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"Romans 10 : 9 says, "If you declare
with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,”
and believe in your heart that
God raised him from the dead,
you will be saved."

But okay, player. Lol

fuck you.

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"Romans 10 : 9 says, "If you declare
with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,”
and believe in your heart that
God raised him from the dead,
you will be saved."

fuck you.

white STATE leadership can't stand him, his methods or tactics



And to add.....his messages only reach a certain segment of our population

the ones who need to hear and heed give 0 f***s about yo...

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Coolin...

He's been leading pastors, churches, organizations and groups in a serious effort to address the social issues in B-More.

Rev. Bryant has been a real soldier in the streets and community.




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and believe in your heart that
God raised him from the dead,
you will be saved."

young boys

he got his following ....women



and the state (not local...aka white) government cant stand him

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If Rev. Bryant had gang members, other churches, other community leaders, and other organizations partnering with him, do you think that they are reaching the "young boys?"

Or do you only think that people can only be an effective leader by addressing a specific group on their own?

And how do you know that every young boy has rejected his message to be responsible for the city and its actions?





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"Romans 10 : 9 says, "If you declare
with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,”
and believe in your heart that
God raised him from the dead,
you will be saved."

If Rev. Bryant had gang members, other churches, other community leaders, and other organizations partnering with him, do you think that they are reaching the "young boys?"

No...I KNOW they aint reaching the young boys...those 'gang members' aint the real deal

Or do you only think that people can only be an effective leader by addressing a specific group on their own?

No...dude is a leader....everybody just aint gonna follow his lead


And how do you know that every young boy has rejected his message to be responsible for the city and its actions?

**turns on the news...looks at FB and all the RIP posts...goes outside and observes**

i won't be so shortsighted to say 'every'
but most....i KNOW don't... i talk to em...i deal wit/encounter em daily
hell...at least 4 niggas got slumped, including a triple homicide last night and another dude 2 nights ago, right by my barbershop....they talk...hell...my ex's cousin got got a few weeks ago...and her family is DEEP in the church and he wasn't poor, hopeless, and all that...he WANTED to be out there doin dirt

I applaud his actions during all this...and thought i stated such above...but ya'll/him/they REALLY don't have a clue as to the mentalities of these young boys.....not to mention they leaning towards islam anyways, but that's neither here nor there...

but yeah if u have the mentality of 'every lil bit helps' then yeah...the church is doin a hell of a job.......with grandma and aunt lee lee

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to help him meet and connect with the one's you say are not listening, rather than just saying what's wrong. Do you think you can help him?

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and believe in your heart that
God raised him from the dead,
you will be saved."

already...working with him

unfortunately.... that doesn't work

it helps some...but doesn't work

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Or are you willing to help the brother?


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"Romans 10 : 9 says, "If you declare
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and believe in your heart that
God raised him from the dead,
you will be saved."

I think Black Congregations need to hold their preachers accountable and stop following the charlatans paying for jets.


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"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

A lot of people, black or otherwise, have fallen in love with prosperity preaching. They too busy naming and claiming material items to focus effort on social changes. They're sold on the idea that they are the exceptions to social norms. So, they don't feel the need to change anything, because they are blessed and highly favored.

http://soundcloud.com/forestbrooks

And not once have you addressed the message of the video.

And there is a larger missing presence of active, outspoken social justice preachers that are calling folks to take REAL action.


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"Romans 10 : 9 says, "If you declare
with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,”
and believe in your heart that
God raised him from the dead,
you will be saved."

I disagree with the notion that preachers aren't doing it. My point is that there are preachers doing it but they aren't the ones attracting the largest followings necessarily.

I think you missed that I was actually defending preachers in general.



>And not once have you addressed the message of the video.
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>And there is a larger missing presence of active, outspoken
>social justice preachers that are calling folks to take REAL
>action.
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>and believe in your heart that
>God raised him from the dead,
>you will be saved."


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"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

there are lots of pastors
that lead their flock in the social justice fight.

if megachurches used their influence to do that, we'd be dangerous.

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"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

we will get there.

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Everything looks like Oprah kissing Harvey Weinstein these days

>I disagree with the notion that preachers aren't doing it.
>My point is that there are preachers doing it but they aren't
>the ones attracting the largest followings necessarily.
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I think there's a different dynamic for larger churches which tend to have a more global outreach platform, with some local outreach point. All churches are not equal in outreach missions. It's like he said in the sermon some folks have lanes and some churches have lanes.


>I think you missed that I was actually defending preachers in
>general.
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I do know of plenty of pastors that have a social justice theme, but the actual visible application is missing. IMO Plus there's a lot of silly politics in large churches.


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"Romans 10 : 9 says, "If you declare
with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,”
and believe in your heart that
God raised him from the dead,
you will be saved."

There are many who suffer around the world, because of it. So, if the focus is on global outreach, why not focus on the global social issues that are at the core of people's struggles?

http://soundcloud.com/forestbrooks

>There are many who suffer around the world, because of it.
>So, if the focus is on global outreach, why not focus on the
>global social issues that are at the core of people's
>struggles?



Some churches fight social justice issues by building schools, providing wells, building homes, teaching good farming techniques, medical support, etc. All of these things provide support, meet needs, give hope, develop skills, etc. So that people can build their voice and develop a platform for change.




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"Romans 10 : 9 says, "If you declare
with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,”
and believe in your heart that
God raised him from the dead,
you will be saved."

but can you at least admit that a large portion of megachurches don't really talk about social justice at all?

All the things you mentioned are great and necessary, but they're addressing the symptoms of white supremacy rather than the actual cause. I get there might be constriction via some governments, but there was and is constriction from our government here, yet that doesn't stop you from calling for more preachers to speak to the social issues here.

I happen to see it all as connected, but it's hard to imagine that some of these churches want the same type of social justice I want, when they're touting material wealth/gain as a sign of God's favor.

It may not be intentional, but that's the message some of these churches are sending. At what point does the church evaluate itself for the messages it's sending out?

http://soundcloud.com/forestbrooks

>but can you at least admit that a large portion of
>megachurches don't really talk about social justice at all?
>

Ok, did you know that any church that has 2,000 members on the books is considered a megachurch? So, How can I go off and say, "large portion of megachurches don't really talk about social justice at all?" That statement would be totally false. And as I ran though the names of churches in my head, I can only think of a few that don't talk about social justice issues. But but not all churches are called to be an active Social Justice church as being in the streets. Some care called to by missionary churches and to other ministry fields.




>All the things you mentioned are great and necessary, but
>they're addressing the symptoms of white supremacy rather than
>the actual cause. I get there might be constriction via some
>governments, but there was and is constriction from our
>government here, yet that doesn't stop you from calling for
>more preachers to speak to the social issues here.
>

Everything is not about White Supremacy. But I do believe that every church has a voice that should be heard. So, in that regard, I agree. The Voices of the churches should be louder - world wide.



>I happen to see it all as connected, but it's hard to imagine
>that some of these churches want the same type of social
>justice I want, when they're touting material wealth/gain as a
>sign of God's favor.
>


But material wealth/gain is a valid message, just like physical, spiritual, and mental healing and well being. And not all churches focus on material wealth/gain as the core of their message. In fact, that message has faded.

>It may not be intentional, but that's the message some of
>these churches are sending. At what point does the church
>evaluate itself for the messages it's sending out?
>


Some churches do a lot of things, but they may not do them all the time.


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"Romans 10 : 9 says, "If you declare
with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,”
and believe in your heart that
God raised him from the dead,
you will be saved."

>Ok, did you know that any church that has 2,000 members on the
>books is considered a megachurch? So, How can I go off and
>say, "large portion of megachurches don't really talk about
>social justice at all?" That statement would be totally false.
>And as I ran though the names of churches in my head, I can
>only think of a few that don't talk about social justice
>issues. But but not all churches are called to be an active
>Social Justice church as being in the streets. Some care
>called to by missionary churches and to other ministry
>fields.

I know what a megachurch is and I can think of maybe two that did. Maybe it's different in ATL. So, I'm willing to concede that.

>>All the things you mentioned are great and necessary, but
>>they're addressing the symptoms of white supremacy rather
>than
>>the actual cause. I get there might be constriction via some
>>governments, but there was and is constriction from our
>>government here, yet that doesn't stop you from calling for
>>more preachers to speak to the social issues here.
>>
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>Everything is not about White Supremacy. But I do believe that
>every church has a voice that should be heard. So, in that
>regard, I agree. The Voices of the churches should be louder -
>world wide.

You're right, there's poverty, misogyny, homophobia (I know you don't support homosexuality, but surely you don't agree that people should be killed for being gay)...but they are all connected to the people in power in power worldwide blocking access to power from those who do not fit into a very specific homogenous group.

>>I happen to see it all as connected, but it's hard to
>imagine
>>that some of these churches want the same type of social
>>justice I want, when they're touting material wealth/gain as
>a
>>sign of God's favor.
>>
>
>
>But material wealth/gain is a valid message, just like
>physical, spiritual, and mental healing and well being. And
>not all churches focus on material wealth/gain as the core of
>their message. In fact, that message has faded.

I don't fully agree with this, but I don't want to get stuck in the mud with it. Here's the thing, I've been in the church fully and I've distanced myself from it. The perspectives are completely different. You may think that message has faded, but I can tell you from the litany of FB posts I see on a daily, it's still going strong. In a climate where people are hurting financially, through no fault of their own, that message is discordant with the rest of the community.

So, when people see a pastor asking for a jet or to build a multimillion dollar facility (when they have a perfectly fine facility), while people are suffering and going through it, it just doesn't seem the church is for the community's benefit. If it is, they need to do a better job of selling it. We've never had a lull from injustice, yet churches have been silent for years and they need to own that. I don't know if they'll ever regain their former place of prominence, but any voice for real justice is welcome.

>>It may not be intentional, but that's the message some of
>>these churches are sending. At what point does the church
>>evaluate itself for the messages it's sending out?
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>Some churches do a lot of things, but they may not do them all
>the time.

I'm not trying to be funny, but I don't know what you're trying to say here.

http://soundcloud.com/forestbrooks

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>>Ok, did you know that any church that has 2,000 members on
>the
>>books is considered a megachurch? So, How can I go off and
>>say, "large portion of megachurches don't really talk about
>>social justice at all?" That statement would be totally
>false.
>>And as I ran though the names of churches in my head, I can
>>only think of a few that don't talk about social justice
>>issues. But but not all churches are called to be an active
>>Social Justice church as being in the streets. Some care
>>called to by missionary churches and to other ministry
>>fields.
>
>I know what a megachurch is and I can think of maybe two that
>did. Maybe it's different in ATL. So, I'm willing to concede
>that.
>
>>>All the things you mentioned are great and necessary, but
>>>they're addressing the symptoms of white supremacy rather
>>than
>>>the actual cause. I get there might be constriction via
>some
>>>governments, but there was and is constriction from our
>>>government here, yet that doesn't stop you from calling for
>>>more preachers to speak to the social issues here.
>>>
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>>Everything is not about White Supremacy. But I do believe
>that
>>every church has a voice that should be heard. So, in that
>>regard, I agree. The Voices of the churches should be louder
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>>world wide.
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>You're right, there's poverty, misogyny, homophobia (I know
>you don't support homosexuality, but surely you don't agree
>that people should be killed for being gay)...but they are all
>connected to the people in power in power worldwide blocking
>access to power from those who do not fit into a very specific
>homogenous group.
>
>>>I happen to see it all as connected, but it's hard to
>>imagine
>>>that some of these churches want the same type of social
>>>justice I want, when they're touting material wealth/gain
>as
>>a
>>>sign of God's favor.
>>>
>>
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>>But material wealth/gain is a valid message, just like
>>physical, spiritual, and mental healing and well being. And
>>not all churches focus on material wealth/gain as the core
>of
>>their message. In fact, that message has faded.
>
>I don't fully agree with this, but I don't want to get stuck
>in the mud with it. Here's the thing, I've been in the church
>fully and I've distanced myself from it. The perspectives are
>completely different. You may think that message has faded,
>but I can tell you from the litany of FB posts I see on a
>daily, it's still going strong. In a climate where people are
>hurting financially, through no fault of their own, that
>message is discordant with the rest of the community.
>
>So, when people see a pastor asking for a jet or to build a
>multimillion dollar facility (when they have a perfectly fine
>facility), while people are suffering and going through it, it
>just doesn't seem the church is for the community's benefit.
>If it is, they need to do a better job of selling it. We've
>never had a lull from injustice, yet churches have been silent
>for years and they need to own that. I don't know if they'll
>ever regain their former place of prominence, but any voice
>for real justice is welcome.
>
>>>It may not be intentional, but that's the message some of
>>>these churches are sending. At what point does the church
>>>evaluate itself for the messages it's sending out?
>>>
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>>
>>Some churches do a lot of things, but they may not do them
>all
>>the time.
>
>I'm not trying to be funny, but I don't know what you're
>trying to say here.


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"Romans 10 : 9 says, "If you declare
with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,”
and believe in your heart that
God raised him from the dead,
you will be saved."

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"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

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"Romans 10 : 9 says, "If you declare
with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,”
and believe in your heart that
God raised him from the dead,
you will be saved."

Just IMO though.