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John Forte
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"AAVE question: "won't""


          

The use of won't (which means will not) to mean "wasn't". Do they do that where you live/are from? I always considered that a Virginia thing.

  
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context is key
Jun 24th 2015
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Yeah, I think that's a convergence of a few uses that sound
Jun 24th 2015
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^^^
Jun 24th 2015
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nah, that's not what I'm talking about at all
Jun 24th 2015
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      dunno what you mean
Jun 24th 2015
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can you provide some examples?
Jun 24th 2015
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I thought that was Kim's cousin, but it won't
Jun 24th 2015
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      i always thought that was just a "mispronunciation" of wasn't
Jun 24th 2015
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      ^^^ lazy tongue
Jun 24th 2015
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      i always took that to be weren't shortened or masked in drawl
Jun 24th 2015
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      I've NEVER heard that before....
Jun 24th 2015
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           See here
Jun 24th 2015
28
Whats AAVE?
Jun 24th 2015
4
African American Vernacular English
Jun 24th 2015
5
Oh! I didn't know that. I should have read this before I posted mine bec...
Jun 24th 2015
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Mexican, huh? I've always wondered why Puertoricans say
Jun 24th 2015
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      Black people in the Tri-state have been saying the the whole
Jun 24th 2015
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           "what had happened...."
Jun 24th 2015
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                Not even that, they say "what happened?" the way everyone
Jun 25th 2015
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WAT?
Jun 24th 2015
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      Its not new you just weren't aware LOL
Jun 25th 2015
29
           yeah this term is about two decades old...at least
Jun 25th 2015
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the neo-negro name for ebonics
Jun 24th 2015
7
ebonics was always come bullshit. FOH with any non-porn use of ebony
Jun 24th 2015
8
john h johnson (rip) mad then a mug
Jun 24th 2015
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LOL @ "non-porn use of ebony".....
Jun 24th 2015
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AAVE precedes the use of the term 'ebonics' in scholarship.
Jun 25th 2015
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      when i originally studied it was "Black English"
Jun 25th 2015
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the direct influence behind my screen name
Jun 24th 2015
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In LA I would here people use 'barely' in place of 'just.' For example:
Jun 24th 2015
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it took me YEARS to figure out what "moded" meant
Jun 24th 2015
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no
Jun 24th 2015
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its common. as is "wudnt". but wudnt/wont != will not
Jun 24th 2015
25
is "wudnt" a pronunciation of "wouldn't" (wood-nt)
Jun 25th 2015
31
both, as you illustrated.
Jun 25th 2015
32
the 1st is not AAVE
Jun 25th 2015
37
i always thought wudnt was 'wasn't' not wouldn't.
Jun 25th 2015
36
never heard of it before coming to NC. it's endemic here, tho.
Jun 25th 2015
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Never heard of it.
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Selah
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1. "context is key"
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 Wed Jun-24-15 01:34 PM by Selah

          

it can also be a version of "want" ("I'm goin to the store, whatchall won't?")

  
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2. "Yeah, I think that's a convergence of a few uses that sound"
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alot alike.

  
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10. "^^^"
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similar to how 'cuss' is just 'curse' in a southern dialect

  
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John Forte
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11. "nah, that's not what I'm talking about at all"
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Selah
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16. "dunno what you mean"
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i'm just trying to pointing out it might be more of a mis-pronunciation that an actual term misuse

then again, maybe they dumb

*shrug*

  
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3. "can you provide some examples?"
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6. "I thought that was Kim's cousin, but it won't"
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14. "i always thought that was just a "mispronunciation" of wasn't"
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24. "^^^ lazy tongue"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  
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17. "i always took that to be weren't shortened or masked in drawl "
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Weren't is still not 'standard' English correct here but yeah this is fairly common aave in the south

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27. "I've NEVER heard that before...."
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For what its worth, Sactown, Cali.


Out here, "Won't" is always deployed in the context of, "will not".




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28. "See here"
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=12837885&mesg_id=12837885&page=#12838094

  
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Kira
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4. "Whats AAVE?"
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5. "African American Vernacular English"
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12. "Oh! I didn't know that. I should have read this before I posted mine bec..."
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it was mostly Mexicans who I heard my example from.

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13. "Mexican, huh? I've always wondered why Puertoricans say"
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"What happened" instead of "what"

  
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21. "Black people in the Tri-state have been saying the the whole"
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time I've been up here (since 2003).

  
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22. ""what had happened....""
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lol

  
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34. "Not even that, they say "what happened?" the way everyone"
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just says "what?"

  
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20. "WAT?"
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Lemme get this straight: people found a new term for ebonics?

Who speaks AAVE because I damn sure don't. If someone from outside my ethnic heritage tells me I'm speaking AAVE they're getting spit on.

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29. "Its not new you just weren't aware LOL"
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30. "yeah this term is about two decades old...at least"
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7. "the neo-negro name for ebonics"
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8. "ebonics was always come bullshit. FOH with any non-porn use of ebony"
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15. "john h johnson (rip) mad then a mug"
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26. "LOL @ "non-porn use of ebony"....."
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Good shit my dude!






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35. "AAVE precedes the use of the term 'ebonics' in scholarship. "
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i guess it was a dressing up of Black English.

Ebonics was kind of a riff.


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38. "when i originally studied it was "Black English""
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per this book:

http://www.amazon.com/Black-English-J-L-Dillard/dp/0394718720/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1435250252&sr=8-2&keywords=black+english

I also remember the use of the term "Pidgin English"

(in "neo-negro" comment I was being glib)

  
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23. "the direct influence behind my screen name"
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9. "In LA I would here people use 'barely' in place of 'just.' For example:"
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Me:How long you been here?

Them:I barely got here five minutes ago

Me:huh?

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18. "it took me YEARS to figure out what "moded" meant"
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still not sure I fully get it

  
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19. "no"
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25. "its common. as is "wudnt". but wudnt/wont != will not"
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common meaning ive heard it throughout the south

probably not as widespread as wudnt tho



isnt/hasnt/doesnt/cousin = also words with internal S that black ppl aint rocking with. i think that internal S sound is too soft for us



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31. " is "wudnt" a pronunciation of "wouldn't" (wood-nt)"
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as in "she would, but I wudnt"?

or

a pronunciation of "wasn't" (said as "wuhd-nt") as in "first is was, then it wudnt")

  
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32. "both, as you illustrated."
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37. "the 1st is not AAVE"
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hood/could/should, "wood-nt" is standard english "would not", just typed phonetically would be wudnt. which i dont see happen that often



mud/bud/flood "wud-nt" is AAVE for "was not"



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36. "i always thought wudnt was 'wasn't' not wouldn't. "
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33. "never heard of it before coming to NC. it's endemic here, tho. "
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39. "Never heard of it."
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