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akon
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"why not support bernie sanders?"


  

          

its a question i have
he's the most progressive candidate out there
and probably the more honest of the lot

is there any reason not to?

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http://perspectivesudans.blogspot.com/
i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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Cause he will lose and I doubt he can govern.
Jun 16th 2015
1
Practical votes are for the general election
Jun 16th 2015
3
Voting my heart is staying at home and saying F them all.
Jun 16th 2015
11
      RE: Voting my heart is staying at home and saying F them all.
Jun 16th 2015
26
      There it is (c) RUN-DMC
Nov 26th 2015
151
He can't win if you won't vote for him.
Jun 16th 2015
46
he can't win if he does for him either
Jun 19th 2015
88
^^^^^
Nov 25th 2015
102
He can't govern? why?
Nov 25th 2015
111
I love bernie but he looks too near death n/m
Jun 16th 2015
2
of course, every "progressive" should be supporting bernie
Jun 16th 2015
4
Love the big crowds he's getting
Jun 16th 2015
5
I "support" him. But he ain't gon' win.
Jun 16th 2015
6
folks (including me) said exactly the same about BHO in 2007/8
Jun 16th 2015
28
      Exactly! Short memories about that primary being handed to Hillary nm.
Jun 16th 2015
43
           ^^^
Nov 25th 2015
103
wait.. why do we think he has no chance in winning?
Jun 16th 2015
7
because he won't pull any centrists in the general election
Jun 16th 2015
9
Bc we're not brand new.
Jun 16th 2015
15
lol, c'mon fam.
Jun 16th 2015
17
i do too
Jun 16th 2015
29
he's a self-described socialist. his chances are less than zero
Jun 16th 2015
32
He is uncommonly clear about what socialism means. You can't Hannity him...
Jun 16th 2015
42
      that's reality. I'm talking public perception
Jun 16th 2015
44
           but the democratic electorate isn't middle America
Nov 25th 2015
112
                wtf?
Nov 25th 2015
114
                     i feel what you're saying, but I'm saying
Nov 25th 2015
121
                          Word.
Nov 25th 2015
122
Because the juggernaut Hillary beat that Kenyan Hussein guy last time nm...
Jun 16th 2015
40
      IKR... Hillary supporters should know better.
Jun 16th 2015
50
      BHO wasn't the only candidate in that election.
Jun 18th 2015
65
      policy-wise there was nearly zero difference btwn obama and hillary.
Jun 18th 2015
78
No beef, but America is so superficial, he's gotta get some work done to...
Jun 16th 2015
8
because hes a Zionist
Jun 16th 2015
10
Wait, what?
Jun 16th 2015
13
this clip of him at a townhall last year is pretty revealing
Jun 16th 2015
20
rest of who?
Jun 16th 2015
16
other contenders for the presidency
Jun 16th 2015
21
      I don't think that's true.
Jun 16th 2015
33
^ This is why he will not get my vote. That points to a larger issue wit...
Jun 18th 2015
66
he's the only one openly critical of netanyahu
Jun 18th 2015
75
      lol, so by that logic
Jun 21st 2015
96
           as oppose to who, hilary?
Nov 25th 2015
132
i didn't when i thought he was running as a Democrat.
Jun 16th 2015
12
yeah
Jun 16th 2015
22
I can't think of a reason, at least in the primary.
Jun 16th 2015
14
Hillary needs to go hard left.
Jun 16th 2015
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      agreed
Jun 16th 2015
30
      agreed, Bernie will help there.
Jun 16th 2015
34
      Fuck her if she goes hard left, because it will all be fake.
Jun 17th 2015
58
           mm-hmm.
Jun 18th 2015
67
           did she give you a wedgie? Why so angry?
Jun 18th 2015
68
                yeah the ppl that seem to viscerally hate her strike me ass
Jun 19th 2015
84
                Hillary was as hateable as anyone during the 08 primary.
Jun 19th 2015
87
                bc she's a clinton
Nov 25th 2015
104
                dude's going in like she didn't show up at his birthday party
Jun 19th 2015
86
                uhh bruh, it would be dishonest. She is technocrate to the T
Nov 25th 2015
113
                bc he's correct
Nov 25th 2015
133
i will vote for him, but it will be futile
Jun 16th 2015
19
Fuck Hillary
Jun 16th 2015
24
like previously stated, not electable
Jun 16th 2015
23
If you're progressive, no reason not to support him
Jun 16th 2015
25
I love him but my only hang-up is how pro-Israel he seems
Jun 17th 2015
54
There's no risk in supporting him
Jun 16th 2015
27
He's not there to win. He's there to pull Hillary to the left
Jun 16th 2015
31
I agree, on the flip tho, he ain't pulling no punches.
Jun 16th 2015
35
he's got that nothing-to-lose freedoom
Jun 16th 2015
39
na, i believe he's there to win
Jun 17th 2015
51
i'd like to give him credit that he's not that delusional
Jun 18th 2015
74
I don't care how he impacts her rhetoric, I won't buy any of it
Jun 17th 2015
57
      gotta care a lil bit..they care about getting that 2nd term
Nov 25th 2015
106
there's really no reason not to
Jun 16th 2015
36
I'm going to vote for the candidate that....
Jun 16th 2015
37
him and Warren would be dope.
Jun 16th 2015
38
I have donated and plan to hit up friends and family too.
Jun 16th 2015
41
exactly
Jun 16th 2015
45
word. I plan on donating soon too.
Jun 16th 2015
48
^^^^^
Jun 22nd 2015
97
I am supporting him. And he can beat Clinton.
Jun 16th 2015
47
Absolutely. IMO this will be a legit competition, especially if
Jun 17th 2015
56
lmao - U R out yo (non) cotton picking mind if you actually believe that...
Jun 18th 2015
64
YOUR NEW ENGLAND IS SHOWING
Jun 19th 2015
85
A 73 year-old white Jew? FOH, I'd rather give Joe a shot
Jun 16th 2015
49
what kind of posting is this. is this supposed to be an opinion?
Jun 17th 2015
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he's not intelligent
Nov 25th 2015
115
*blink* *blink*
Jun 18th 2015
69
white Jews >> white Christians
Jun 20th 2015
94
^^^
Nov 25th 2015
117
Niggaz posting from the Coming to America barbershop?
Jun 22nd 2015
98
      LOFL
Nov 25th 2015
116
I'd prefer Jill Stein, but I'll gladly take Bernie (Zionism aside)
Jun 17th 2015
53
A companion question: Why bother supporting Hillary?
Jun 17th 2015
55
SCOTUS mostly
Jun 17th 2015
60
b/c the next prez is going to nominate someone as SCOTUS justice.
Jun 17th 2015
61
      Possibly two.
Jun 18th 2015
70
      RE: b/c the next prez is going to nominate someone as SCOTUS justice.
Jun 18th 2015
76
      bro, if Bernie can't beat any of the Repub candidates
Nov 25th 2015
118
           ...or we could just have Hillary instead of any of the GOP candidates.
Nov 25th 2015
119
                it's absurd, 'cause it's a hard truth to swallow
Nov 25th 2015
124
                     Everyone's all Bern or Bust, but Bernie will support Clinton if he loses
Nov 25th 2015
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                          ^ all of that.
Nov 25th 2015
128
                               Yeah, W should have deaded all the "they're all the same" arguments
Nov 25th 2015
136
                               these points are fair
Nov 25th 2015
140
      Not good enough, even if I trusted her to pick good ones which I dont
Jun 18th 2015
80
           do you think Jeb or Marco, et al will make more favorable choices?
Jun 19th 2015
81
                Nope. They'll also make bad choices. But...
Jun 19th 2015
82
                     Good luck with that.
Jun 19th 2015
83
He can't win a general election and loses have consequences
Jun 17th 2015
59
i thought all candidates were the same...and W cleared that up for me.
Jun 17th 2015
62
RE: i thought all candidates were the same...and W cleared that up for m...
Jun 18th 2015
71
im not convinced the primaries impact the generals
Nov 25th 2015
107
Why Bernie Sanders Is The Perfect Candidate
Jun 18th 2015
63
Great read - I ain't gonna lie, I got a lil' hype reading it.
Jun 18th 2015
73
Why Should I? The burden of proof is on him not me.
Jun 18th 2015
72
he's not elizabeth warren.
Jun 18th 2015
77
lol, after Obama, do you still believe in the system?
Jun 18th 2015
79
RE: lol, after Obama, do you still believe in the system?
Jun 19th 2015
90
http://i.imgur.com/3quywfl.jpg
Jun 20th 2015
91
its the same shit the last guy was saying
Jun 20th 2015
92
      no, it's not actually...at all
Nov 25th 2015
108
go back to your hashish and exploring concepts of duality
Nov 25th 2015
120
the presidency would emasculate his ideals.
Jun 19th 2015
89
Bernie on Bill Maher last night
Jun 20th 2015
93
as much as..
Jun 20th 2015
95
RE: why not support bernie sanders?
Nov 25th 2015
99
b/c i don't want him to win.
Nov 25th 2015
100
I'd say more obstructionism than bho
Nov 25th 2015
105
      could be.
Nov 25th 2015
109
      words can't describe how much I hate this.
Nov 25th 2015
110
Taibbi's article on Bernie from a few weeks back is really good
Nov 25th 2015
101
This does a good job of summing up a lot of my feelings
Nov 25th 2015
131
He's an old white Jew.
Nov 25th 2015
123
you already said that in 49, grandpa
Nov 25th 2015
125
I've always liked Bernie, but I'll generally concur with Barney Frank:
Nov 25th 2015
126
yup. i agree too.
Nov 25th 2015
129
RE: I've always liked Bernie, but I'll generally concur with Barney Fran...
Nov 25th 2015
130
uhm, ya, that didnt change my mind at all.
Nov 25th 2015
137
Right, while I loathe Hillary, Bernie is too far left to be taken seriou...
Nov 25th 2015
138
I'm not really knowledgeable about politics but
Nov 25th 2015
134
it's absolutely cynical, and absolutely backwards.
Nov 25th 2015
135
RE: I'm not really knowledgeable about politics but
Nov 25th 2015
139
no. we need to do better Murph, you know this
Nov 25th 2015
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      RE: no. we need to do better Murph, you know this
Nov 25th 2015
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           RE: Question for anyone? Let's say Bernie
Nov 25th 2015
145
                I don't think he can beat Rubio or jeb. Definitely the other two
Nov 25th 2015
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                RE: Question for anyone? Let's say Bernie
Nov 25th 2015
147
i hear u
Nov 25th 2015
143
good points
Nov 25th 2015
148
democrats only win when they're centralized.
Nov 25th 2015
144
i would vote for him, but he won't win
Nov 25th 2015
149
he is one of those white cats who is made for tv
Nov 26th 2015
150

Buddy_Gilapagos
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1. "Cause he will lose and I doubt he can govern. "
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Let me throw the question to you, why vote for a candidate who can not win and has not shown any ability to govern?


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3. "Practical votes are for the general election"
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Vote your heart in the primaries

  

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11. "Voting my heart is staying at home and saying F them all. "
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"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

  

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26. "RE: Voting my heart is staying at home and saying F them all. "
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151. "There it is (c) RUN-DMC"
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46. "He can't win if you won't vote for him. "
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And he's shown just as much ability to govern as Hillary has.

  

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88. "he can't win if he does for him either"
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102. "^^^^^"
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Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

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111. "He can't govern? why? "
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lol. man you...

  

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2. "I love bernie but he looks too near death n/m"
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4. "of course, every "progressive" should be supporting bernie"
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because he is using his presidential campaign as a policy changing movement

his campaign just sent out an e-mail message on TPP asking people to contact their congressional reps

it's really not about whether he wins or loses because what he is trying to build will be useful beyond 2016, even more so if we are stuck with more clintons in DC

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5. "Love the big crowds he's getting"
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Its keeping Hillary in check

She's not just being handed the keys


Looking fwd to the primary debates

  

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6. "I "support" him. But he ain't gon' win."
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Easily the candidate who most speaks to me and my beliefs though.

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28. "folks (including me) said exactly the same about BHO in 2007/8"
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43. "Exactly! Short memories about that primary being handed to Hillary nm."
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103. "^^^"
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Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

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7. "wait.. why do we think he has no chance in winning?"
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i think its too wide open to come to this conclusion

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9. "because he won't pull any centrists in the general election"
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15. "Bc we're not brand new."
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fuck you.

  

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17. "lol, c'mon fam."
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29. "i do too"
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but i think people are coming from a pov of who they think the larger population would vote for and see its very unlikely to be him
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32. "he's a self-described socialist. his chances are less than zero"
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42. "He is uncommonly clear about what socialism means. You can't Hannity him..."
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I can't wait for the debates.

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44. "that's reality. I'm talking public perception"
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You're asking people to dig beyond the S-word to what that actually means. This is america, man.

  

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112. "but the democratic electorate isn't middle America"
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"socialist" doesn't scare them like the pop fueling the republican fuckery.

youth, blacks, latin@s, lgbt-ers and women who vote are gunna rock with him or hilary

he is getting HUGE crowds. he has a chance. this isn't 1992

  

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114. "wtf?"
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there are plenty Democrats in 'middle America'.

there are plenty Democrats all over the nation who aren't politically savvy.

there are plenty Democrats all over the nation who are downright dumb.

there are plenty Democrats who don't know what 'socialism' is.

there are plenty Democrats who may or may not understand socialism but know they don't like socialism.

there are plenty Democrats in 'middle America'. i happen to live in a Democrat stronghold located smack-dab in the middle of America.

fuck you.

  

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121. "i feel what you're saying, but I'm saying"
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Wed Nov-25-15 02:35 PM by astralblak

  

          

the strong hold the term had on past voters is weakening

"Socialist" isn't what's keeping people for voting for Bernie in my opinion, it's his more radical ideas on free collage, raising minimum wage, and attacking wall street. things Hilary is still tip toeing around

also his platform just isn't what the Clintons is in terms of funding. Those are the things not Socialist

also no one, absolutely no one thinks of Chicago when they say middle America. I mean we know it's smack dab in the middle of America, but the term connotes less dense, possible rural and suburban predominately white populations that lean republican

  

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122. "Word."
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fuck you.

  

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40. "Because the juggernaut Hillary beat that Kenyan Hussein guy last time nm..."
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50. "IKR... Hillary supporters should know better. "
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65. "BHO wasn't the only candidate in that election."
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Hillary either won or placed 2nd in most of the primaries. which means she defeated several old white guys - like Biden, Dodd, Edwards, and Kucinich among others.

plus, at this point in that election season BHO had more traction than Sanders has currently. which says to me that Sanders isn't as formidable an opponent for Hillary in this election as BHO was for her in that election. also, Hillary has served as SOS since that last election whereas she had 'merely' served as US Senator then. she's got more political experience and may be a more attractive candidate this time around. or not, of course.

anyway, the fact that she lost to BHO last time doesn't say to me that Sanders has as good a shot against her as BHO.

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78. "policy-wise there was nearly zero difference btwn obama and hillary."
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he was able to boast being against the war, she was trying to big up her experience compared to his.

the debates were mostly them agreeing on every policy and arguing who could approach the job better.In fact the only thing I remember them disagreeing on was the health insurance mandate. He was against it at the time

  

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8. "No beef, but America is so superficial, he's gotta get some work done to..."
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even get close to having a chance. Starting with getting his teeth fixed.
But I like the dude.

  

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10. "because hes a Zionist"
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just like the rest of em

  

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13. "Wait, what?"
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20. "this clip of him at a townhall last year is pretty revealing"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf2cCdgwgoM

keep in mind this was immediately after the assault on Gaza in which Israel murdered 2,200 (500 of whom were children) in 50 days

of course, some of y'all will watch that and try to argue that the views expressed in this clip don't make him a Zionist

you're wrong, but regardless of what you wanna call it, I can't support that. maybe pre-Obama I might've overlooked something like this but in 2015? no way

  

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16. "rest of who?"
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21. "other contenders for the presidency"
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what else would I have been talking about?

  

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33. "I don't think that's true."
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>what else would I have been talking about?

No idea, that's why I asked.

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66. "^ This is why he will not get my vote. That points to a larger issue wit..."
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candidate that doesn't have the balls to stand up against obvious war crimes. Same with Warren.

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75. "he's the only one openly critical of netanyahu"
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i think that distinguishes him from the crowd
and definitely does not make him a zionist

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/bernie-sanders-im-not-a-great-fan-of-benjamin-netanyahu/

Earlier this week, NPR host Diane Rehm asked Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT), who is competing for the Democratic nomination for the presidency, whether he is an Israeli-American dual citizen (he isn’t). What was less noticed was the dialogue between Rehm and Sanders afterward, where they discussed the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Sanders went on to explain his views on Netanyahu:

REHM: Tell me your feeling about whether there should be a two-state solution should Palestine be given statehood?

SANDERS: Absolutely. What you have in that part of the world is an unspeakable tragedy. And it seems like it’s never-ending and it seems like it every year gets worse and worse and more killing and more bombings and everything else. And again, Diane, if I had the magical solution to that problem I would be in the president’s office today giving it. I don’t have it. But clearly the goals are two-fold: number one the Palestinian people, in my view, deserve a state of their own, they deserve an economy of their own, they deserve economic support from the people of this country. And Israel needs to be able to live in security without terrorist attacks. Those are the goals of I think any sensible foreign policy in that region.

REHM: How do you believe President Obama’s relationship with Prime Minister Netanyahu has affected our relationship with Israel?

SANDERS: Well, I gotta tell you, I am not a great fan of President Netanyahu I did not attend the speech that he gave before the joint session of Congress. I think it was opportunistic. I think he was using it as part of his campaign for re-election. I think he was being used or did use the Republicans to go behind the President’s back. And I think in that region sadly on both sides I don’t think we have the kind of leadership that we need. And so you know I think the President is trying to do the best that he can in enormously difficult circumstances.

Sanders did not call for ending the sizable diplomatic, military and economic support that Israel receives from the United States. He didn’t match the position of his brother, Larry Sanders, who ran for Parliament in Britain under the Green Party ticket in calling for boycotts against Israel.

But it is unusual for a major party candidate seeking the presidency of the United States to criticize Israel’s government during the campaign. Hillary Clinton strongly defended Netanyahu during a summer 2014 interview with the Atlantic and never offered any criticism of his attempt to sink the Iran negotiations. One of her biggest backers is the pro-Israel tycoon Haim Saban, who is working with Sheldon Adelson to crack down on Palestinian activism on American campuses.

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96. "lol, so by that logic"
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critical of Netanyahu = definitely not a Zionist?

did you read the excerpt you posted? I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're unfamiliar with mainstream liberal discourse regarding Israel/Palestine because there is literally nothing distinguishable or respectable about his position here.

  

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132. "as oppose to who, hilary? "
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12. "i didn't when i thought he was running as a Democrat."
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i like the idea of him running as an Indie. i may vote for him in the primary.

he won't win the general election though. and i dunno that i'd want him to. if he won i dunno how effective he'd be as POTUS. i expect lots of stonewalling and obstructionism from Congress and i'm not sure he has the juice to work around that. plus i'm not sure who he has as allies. further, i expect the prez to have to make compromises i don't want to see him make. i'd rather see him in a Cabinet position or somewhere outside gov't where he can 'rattle the cage' effectively.

fuck you.

  

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22. "yeah"
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>he won't win the general election though. and i dunno that
>i'd want him to. if he won i dunno how effective he'd be as
>POTUS. i expect lots of stonewalling and obstructionism from
>Congress and i'm not sure he has the juice to work around
>that.

we saw what happened with Obama, and he's not even nearly as progressive a candidate

  

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14. "I can't think of a reason, at least in the primary."
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We need him to pull Hilary to the middle.

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18. "Hillary needs to go hard left."
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If she runs a centrist campaign she may lose the Democratic base.

fuck you.

  

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30. "agreed"
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>If she runs a centrist campaign she may lose the Democratic
>base.

find that left galvanizing issue and stick to it hard
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34. "agreed, Bernie will help there."
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TBH, I think his being in the race is a good thing.

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58. "Fuck her if she goes hard left, because it will all be fake."
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67. "mm-hmm."
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fuck you.

  

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68. "did she give you a wedgie? Why so angry?"
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84. "yeah the ppl that seem to viscerally hate her strike me ass "
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somewhat odd, i understand not wanting to support her and even not finding her trustworthy but she aint exactly stromm thurmond or W

but its not just okps, i got into a heated discussion with an associate during a wedding weekend, im a sanders supporter but i recognize that hilary will get it and i will vote for her, me saying hil will get the nom sent him into a rage

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87. "Hillary was as hateable as anyone during the 08 primary."
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at least 90% of this place seemed to hate her as much, if not more than any republican.

but i think a combination of her ultimately falling in line behind Obama, and Palin being such a disaster, made most people forget just how much they had hated Hillary just months earlier.


  

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104. "bc she's a clinton"
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they basically democrats in public but republicans behind closed doors

basically fast tracked the housing bubble by sucking off big banks and putting deregulation into overdrive

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86. "dude's going in like she didn't show up at his birthday party"
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like she promised

  

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113. "uhh bruh, it would be dishonest. She is technocrate to the T"
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She's a woman and progressive on what? woman's issues and...

what does Hilary campaign around that you are rocking with?

I am not voting for Hilary.

  

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133. "bc he's correct"
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19. "i will vote for him, but it will be futile"
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hillary can eat a dick along with jeb though.

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24. "Fuck Hillary "
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Bernie is the only one with a respectable voting record. That reason alone is enough to get my vote.

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23. "like previously stated, not electable"
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he's too liberal to get elected nationally and wouldn't pull enough independents to a win.

i love Bernie's tell it like it is style.

But they would eat him up in a debate outside of the wealthy vs middle class theory he's so well versed in.

  

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25. "If you're progressive, no reason not to support him"
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i can't think of a candidate in recent memory that seems to better represent the interests of that majority of Americans.

I'll vote for him for as long as I can. He's facing a pretty steep fundraising climb to compete with the Clinton machine, but I'll wait until he actually loses something to count him out.

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54. "I love him but my only hang-up is how pro-Israel he seems"
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27. "There's no risk in supporting him"
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He's already said he won't run as an Independent in the general election if he loses the primary. So this isn't a Nader situation.

Bernie is exactly what Hillary and the Dems need. He'll make a respectable showing in the primary, proving to Hillary that his policy ideas have traction with far left voters, which will force her to move left.

A lot of far left voters see Hillary as establishment candidate, and they're sick of her. If she doesn't move left, they just won't show up for her in the general election. She needs to same level of enthusiasm Obama had on the far left in 2008, which led to higher voter turnout. Voter turnout is everything.

The long play for the Dems is for Bernie to perform well in the primary and to push the conversation to the left so Hillary can win it all.

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31. "He's not there to win. He's there to pull Hillary to the left"
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That's why i believe he chose to run as a Dem, and not an Independent. He knows he can't win, but he can help shape the narrative, and give the the base an actual voice.

And it's already been mentioned here, but I'm not convinced he's fit to be president.

That said, i'll probably vote for him.

  

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35. "I agree, on the flip tho, he ain't pulling no punches."
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I love that.

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39. "he's got that nothing-to-lose freedoom"
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kind of in the same way Ron Paul whether people agree with him or not, at least wasn't a pandering phony. and he drew a good sized following, but never had a legit shot at the presidency.

Hill, and Jeb have to annoyingly calculate every single word that comes out of their mouths, and every move they make, because they know one slip and it could be over.

Bernie ain't worried about any of that. He's also smart enough to know he's not gonna be president.

  

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51. "na, i believe he's there to win"
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>That's why i believe he chose to run as a Dem, and not an
>Independent. He knows he can't win, but he can help shape the
>narrative, and give the the base an actual voice.

and especially because he chose to run as a democrat and not independent (which is even less electable)



>And it's already been mentioned here, but I'm not convinced
>he's fit to be president.


but... why isnt he fit for the presidency?

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74. "i'd like to give him credit that he's not that delusional"
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he wants the real left to have a real voice, and that's a good thing. the more support he gets the better, but he's not realistically going to be president.

>but... why isnt he fit for the presidency?

didn't say he's not. i said i'm not convinced he is, but i don't see how he'd be able to effectively accomplish anything in this climate. he's not running for king, so it's not like he's gonna come into office, and college will become free, and single payer healthcare will go into effect. he'd have very few democrats willing to get behind his proposals because he's just as much a threat to their interests as well. as far as republicans, and big banks, Bernie's the actual liberal that they're pretending Obama and Hilary are, so obstruction will be 10 times worse than it already is. don't know much about his foreign policy other than his support of isreal (see, every other candidate). But mostly he'd just be there to make speeches and play goalie.

and yeah he's THE guy who's actually looking out public's best interest, so ideally in a perfect world the public would pressure their representatives to get behind his proposals, and shit gets done that way, but that's not what will happen. most of the public (even aside from the giant sect who habitually vote against their interests and blame it all on brown people) is lazy and complacent, or busy trying to get by to really get involved. they're gonna elect him, go about their business, then bitch why he hasn't fixed everything yet.

but none of that speculation will matter, because he'll never be president. it's just liberal bubble fantasy

i'm still gonna vote for him tho

  

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57. "I don't care how he impacts her rhetoric, I won't buy any of it"
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106. "gotta care a lil bit..they care about getting that 2nd term"
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the easiest way to miss that layup is to be shown as a fraud

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36. "there's really no reason not to"
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37. "I'm going to vote for the candidate that...."
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can beat the crazy party (i.e. Republicans)....

Sanders is very unlikely to do that....My man B-Mac is here to keep Killah Hill on that LEFT path, nothing more, nothing less....Hopefully Democratic voters are intelligent enough to understand just why Bernie is running....Hell, hopefully Bernie understands what's going on as well...

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38. "him and Warren would be dope."
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Their agenda is at least in line with what could help a vast majority of Americans.

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41. "I have donated and plan to hit up friends and family too."
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This guy is exactly what we cry for and if we give up before it gets started we deserve these shitty 'progressives'

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45. "exactly"
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people always complain about candidates that dont care about them and only look for their interests. Well we have someone who has actually gives a shit about us. His voting record shows he is and will protect the interests of the little man and not corporations. But oh we aint voting for him because *insert excuse here*. I am voting for him. I mean he isnt going to win but him closing that huge gap might get the parties attention.

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48. "word. I plan on donating soon too."
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97. "^^^^^"
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<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

  

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47. "I am supporting him. And he can beat Clinton."
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Polls up north have him trailing her by just a slim margin in New Hampshire. A lot of progressives are unimpressed with Clinton's status-quo posturing.

Crazier things have happened.

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56. "Absolutely. IMO this will be a legit competition, especially if"
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Another status-quo corporate Democrat or two enters the race, chipping away at the Clinton lane

  

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64. "lmao - U R out yo (non) cotton picking mind if you actually believe that..."
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These polls are damned near meaningless at this point. Also, Hillary learned from her last go round, she ain't gonna make this mistake twice.

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85. "YOUR NEW ENGLAND IS SHOWING"
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But fuck yes, Sanders is getting my vote.

  

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49. "A 73 year-old white Jew? FOH, I'd rather give Joe a shot"
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52. "what kind of posting is this. is this supposed to be an opinion?"
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im asking for views, not posturing

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115. "he's not intelligent"
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he's rampant misogynist and homophob

he was bamming up the post about the young girl who got slammed by the cops and is generally a conservative, tho he thinks he's liberal for some reason.

ignore and keep pushing sis

  

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69. "*blink* *blink*"
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A LOT of y'all are letting your slips show.

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94. "white Jews >> white Christians "
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117. "^^^"
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98. "Niggaz posting from the Coming to America barbershop? "
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<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

  

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116. "LOFL"
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53. "I'd prefer Jill Stein, but I'll gladly take Bernie (Zionism aside)"
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Obviously Bernie is showing he might have a chance here, while there's currently zero indication Jill Stein will get any competitive traction this go-round.

And I'll definitely be voting for Bernie in the primaries. I will not vote for Hillary. Just a feminist twist on a neocon corporate hawk. Hillary wins the nomination, I'm voting for Jilly from Illy-nois with no hesitation.

And if Hillary loses and a Republican wins, it will just be a less feminist and more honest version of if Hillary won. Hillary gets nominated, I feel nothing worse about Jeb or whoever winning. They're the same shit afaic.

  

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55. "A companion question: Why bother supporting Hillary?"
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60. "SCOTUS mostly"
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she has a more realistic chance of winning the general. not trying to have repubs control all 3 branches, AND pushing the supreme court more to the right for who knows how long.

  

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61. "b/c the next prez is going to nominate someone as SCOTUS justice."
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and will appoint several judges on the federal bench.

and will nominate someone to run DOJ. and all of the Cabinet positions.

along w/many other key appointments and nominations.

i'd prefer that prez be a Democrat b/c i assume a Dem prez will nominate/appoint folks whose politics i like. i assume a GOP prez will nominate/appoint folks whose politics i dislike.

so even if i don't dig Hillary so much (and i'm not crazy about her) i assume i will like many of the ppl w/whom she will work and the pool from which she will draw when making personnel decisions.

fuck you.

  

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70. "Possibly two."
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76. "RE: b/c the next prez is going to nominate someone as SCOTUS justice."
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This^^^^ is what people r not getting.

We are not voting for a fucking class president. This is not about who WE like or who we want to have a beer with...It's about real life circumstances and outcomes. Bernie is here to keep H. Clinton on that LEFT path....And I hope he helps her to become a battle ready candidate....Hill needs Bernie in that way....But anyone going hard in the paint on some FUCK HILL, I'M VOTING FOR BERNIE needs a reality check...

That SCOTUS scenario is much too serious to play around with....

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118. "bro, if Bernie can't beat any of the Repub candidates"
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then we deserve the "totalitarian" regime that is coming our way. I'm saying that in all seriousness. (c) Vijay Prashad...

as compartments and as collectives, if we haven't done the type of work that has shown voters that non of those Repub candidates deserve the podium outside their electorate, we DESERVE 4-8 more years of something worse than DUBYA ever was.

one thing is to be strategic another is compromise ideals and positions because one wolf is nicer than the other. we deserve better. Bernie ain't perfect and he won't be a savior, like Obie wasn't, be he'll continue to pull this country on the trajectory we are in.

racist terrorist can eat a dick.

  

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119. "...or we could just have Hillary instead of any of the GOP candidates."
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LOL.

sheesh.

i'm willing to vote for whichever of them gets the nomination. even though i don't want Sanders to win (b/c i'd rather see him in some position other than POTUS where he can use his activism to better effect) i would totally vote for him in the general.

either of the Dem candidates >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any of the GOP candidates.

and i vehemently disagree that we 'deserve' any of the GOP candidates if we can't have Bernie. that's absurd.

fuck you.

  

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124. "it's absurd, 'cause it's a hard truth to swallow"
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but yes, if Hilary gets the nom, she won't get my vote

  

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127. "Everyone's all Bern or Bust, but Bernie will support Clinton if he loses"
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He's been very clear that he'll support her or the eventual nominee (her) because he knows what's at stake if we elect a Republican pres. That's why he chose not to run as an independent to begin with.

But everyone i know who's riding hard for Bernie is Nah, fuck her, let the world burn, we deserve it, would she support him?.. etc... even though the guy you're supporting is nowhere near that mindset

  

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128. "^ all of that."
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i felt like that back in 2000 when i was 26 yrs old and full of idealism and less pragmatic. also, before W i thought all of the candidates were the same and the parties were the same and there was no real difference anyway. and i even voted for Nader based largely on this theory and my dislike of Gore (in Illinois where the electoral college vote went to Gore).

but now i know better.

fuck you.

  

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136. "Yeah, W should have deaded all the "they're all the same" arguments"
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just from Iraq and Katrina alone. but it hasn't

>i felt like that back in 2000 when i was 26 yrs old and full
>of idealism and less pragmatic. also, before W i thought all
>of the candidates were the same and the parties were the same
>and there was no real difference anyway. and i even voted for
>Nader based largely on this theory and my dislike of Gore (in
>Illinois where the electoral college vote went to Gore).
>
>but now i know better.
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140. "these points are fair"
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but I stand by position, because it's a deeper expression of our roles as "civilians" in this first world nation

but again, fair points, and folk should be far beyond both parties the same BS long time ago

  

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80. "Not good enough, even if I trusted her to pick good ones which I dont"
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81. "do you think Jeb or Marco, et al will make more favorable choices?"
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b/c let's be real w/ourselves - Sanders is not going to win the general election. he's just...not. we might want him to but we are small in number. the overwhelming majority of voters will not ch-ch-choose him.

so, you don't think Hillary will make favorable choices. do you think the GOP candidate will make more favorable choices?

fuck you.

  

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82. "Nope. They'll also make bad choices. But..."
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But Hillary won't appoint anyone that would do anything to disturb the corporate-controlled, hyper-capitalist, pro-war, greed-is-good status quo. She won't appoint anyone who would do anything but further solidify the foul economic realities of today and our flagrantly violent relationship with thee outside world. She's a hawk with billionaire friends who doesn't plan on changing a damn thing about the system.

The only difference between her appointments/actions and those of a Republican would be the fact that the democrats wouldn't protest them and they'd be slightly less extreme, causing fewer people to notice how bad they are.

Maybe she'll appoint some pro-choice people, but who cares, I'm pro-life.

I'll be voting for Jill Stein if she wins the nomination.

  

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83. "Good luck with that."
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>But Hillary won't appoint anyone that would do anything to
>disturb the corporate-controlled, hyper-capitalist, pro-war,
>greed-is-good status quo. She won't appoint anyone who would
>do anything but further solidify the foul economic realities
>of today and our flagrantly violent relationship with thee
>outside world. She's a hawk with billionaire friends who
>doesn't plan on changing a damn thing about the system.
>
>The only difference between her appointments/actions and those
>of a Republican would be the fact that the democrats wouldn't
>protest them and they'd be slightly less extreme, causing
>fewer people to notice how bad they are.
>
>Maybe she'll appoint some pro-choice people, but who cares,
>I'm pro-life.
>
>I'll be voting for Jill Stein if she wins the nomination.

fuck you.

  

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59. "He can't win a general election and loses have consequences"
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I hate when ppl say there's no difference between Jeb and Hillary. Hillary ain't perfect but a Jeb presidency would be terrible and he could beat her.

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62. "i thought all candidates were the same...and W cleared that up for me."
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LOL

fuck you.

  

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71. "RE: i thought all candidates were the same...and W cleared that up for m..."
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right?

Mufukkas got amnesia up in here.

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107. "im not convinced the primaries impact the generals"
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if she loses in the primaries (unlikely but possible) most of her voters will begrudgingly side with Bernie

and i want Bernie to face opposition so that people can finally see they can't take ANY pressure off ANY elected officials ever if they expect them to not be typical politicians

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63. "Why Bernie Sanders Is The Perfect Candidate"
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http://inthesetimes.com/article/18038/bernie_sanders_president_inequality

Why Bernie Sanders Is The Perfect Candidate For This Moment in American Politics

Why Bernie Sanders Is The Perfect Candidate For This Moment in American Politics

Sanders's laser-like focus on inequality is perfectly in sync with the nation's current political climate.
BY Theo Anderson

“When you take on the billionaire class, it ain’t easy.”

The day before President Barack Obama gave his 2014 State of the Union address, in which he made economic inequality the centerpiece, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) made an appearance on CNN’s “Situation Room.” About halfway through the segment, he started to lose his cool.

Sanders and Michele Bachmann, the former Republican representative from Minnesota, had been trading verbal jabs for several minutes and stepping all over each other’s lines, when they landed on the subject of Social Security.

“Do you believe in the chained CPI?” Sanders asked Bachmann, referring to an idea then being considered that would have decreased payments for cost-of-living adjustments in Social Security benefits. He wanted Bachmann to concede that the GOP aimed to cut Social Security. She alternately dodged the question and scolded him for lying.

“I asked you a question, and you wouldn’t give me an answer,” Sanders thundered after repeating the question five times.

“Well, calm down.”

“Do you support a chained CPI?”

“Calm down.”

Bachmann then expressed sympathy for an unemployed woman who had been featured in an earlier segment of the show: “The reality is, we want Ann’s life to be better.” Sanders responded with an eye roll.

The exchange was typical of Vermont’s junior senator, who entered the race for the Democratic presidential nomination in late April. He ventured deep into the policy weeds—at the risk of confusing viewers who had no idea what he meant by a chained CPI—and he was impatient, confrontational and determined to get his point across.

That passion and focus can carry Sanders—who famously identifies as a democratic socialist and represents Vermont as an independent—right up to the edge of seeming like a crank. And if he had run against Bill Clinton in the Democratic primary 20-odd years ago, he no doubt would have been dismissed as just that, and easily ignored.

But this is not 1992. Bernie Sanders cannot be ignored—his message speaks too powerfully to the current political moment. And he certainly will not calm down—not when, as he says at every opportunity, 99 percent of all new income is going to the top 1% of Americans, the “real” unemployment rate is 12.7 percent and the United States has the highest rate of child poverty in the developed world.

Sanders’ passion and single-mindedness seem to be grounded, in large part, in his childhood in Brooklyn, growing up in a small apartment. His father, who immigrated to the United States from Poland as a teenager, was a paint salesman. It was his mother’s dream, never realized, for the family to own a home. “What I learned as a kid,” Sanders told an audience at the Brookings Institution in early February, “is what the lack of money does to a family … the kind of stresses and pressures.”

He didn’t elaborate, but he believes that a growing number of Americans know precisely what he means.

“When you take on the billionaire class, it ain’t easy,” he said at Brookings. He was still deciding whether to run for president. To mount a campaign, he said, “We would have to put together the strongest grassroots movement in the modern history of this country, where millions of people are saying, ‘You know what? Enough is enough.’ ”

He entered the race two months later, apparently persuaded that he can organize a grassroots campaign around the idea that enough is, in fact, enough.
Ahead of the game

The endless election season is a boon for long-shot presidential candidates, giving them a platform, a spotlight and more than a year to make their case. In 1996, Steve Forbes centered his bid for the Republican presidential nomination around a call for a flat tax. There were relatively few proponents at the time. It has since become a favorite idea within the GOP.

Forbes’ flat tax would have cut his own income tax bill by an estimated $240 million. The 1990s were fertile ground for such anti-progressive economic ideas, as poverty fell off the political radar amid the tech bubble. Then, in the early 2000s, the global “war on terror” became all-consuming.

Bernie Sanders spent much of that time in the House, serving as Vermont’s only representative beginning in 1991. He ran for the Senate in 2006, winning with 65 percent of the vote, and was reelected in 2012 with 71 percent.

Through all those years, while economic inequality was mostly off the nation’s political agenda, it was Sanders’ abiding passion. In Outsider in the House, a book he wrote in 1997 about his congressional race the previous year, Sanders wrote, “In America we have the most inequitable distribution of wealth in the entire industrialized world. The middle class is shrinking, the working class is scraping by, and the poor are ever more deeply mired in poverty.”

Sanders was either way behind the times or way ahead of them. Fifty years ago, the movements for civil rights and economic justice, steadily building for years, culminated in the last great wave of social-reform legislation: the Voting Rights Act of 1965 and the programs of Lyndon Johnson’s Great Society agenda, including Medicare, Medicaid, Head Start and food stamps.

Now, 50 years after the Great Society, we are—perhaps—in the midst of another moment of building momentum to address racial and economic inequalities. The Occupy movement’s rise in the wake of the 2008 financial crisis was the first sign of the changing times.

In late 2011, GOP spin guru Frank Luntz told Republicans at a conference that he was “frightened to death” of “this anti-Wall Street effort” because “they’re having an impact on what the American people think about capitalism.” And though Occupy as a formal movement has largely faded, its message continues to find new champions and new channels of expression.

For example, Thomas Piketty’s massive book about rising inequality, Capital in the Twenty-First Century, became a surprise bestseller in 2013; Pope Francis has reasserted Catholicism’s his torical emphasis on economic justice, recently describing inequality as “the root of social evil”; cities are taking the initiative in raising the minimum wage absent leadership from Congress; and pundits and activists are pushing back, in response to the Supreme Court’s Citizens United decision, against the inequalities and influence-buying built into our politics.

Last year, meanwhile, in a widely read and discussed piece, The Atlantic’s Ta-Nehisi Coates laid bare the deep structural racism that helps perpetuate economic inequalities. The protests and media coverage provoked by police violence against African Americans have helped make the same point. “Plunder,” as Coates told an audience at Johns Hopkins University soon after the protests in Baltimore began in April, “is the key to understanding the relationship between African Americans and the U.S.”

This is a moment, in other words, when Sanders’ laser-like focus on inequality harmonizes with the nation’s political climate. A Gallup poll released in May found that 52 percent of Americans favored redistribution of wealth through heavy taxes on the rich—up from 35 percent in the late 1930s and 45 percent in 1998.

The changing political climate is noticeable enough that even pro-business publications and Republican presidential hopefuls acknowledge inequality as a problem. “It’s worse than you think,” as Fortune put it last year. The piece quoted two scholars who found that wealth inequality “has followed a spectacular Ushape evolution over the past 100 years. From the Great Depression in the 1930s through the late 1970s, there was a substantial democratization of wealth. The trend then inverted, with the share of total household wealth owned by the top 0.1 percent increasing to 22 percent, from 7 percent in the late 1970s.”

Responding to Obama’s State of the Union address in January, Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, who has since thrown his hat in the ring for the GOP presidential nomination, said that the economic elites have become “fat and happy” and that “the top 1% earn a higher share of our national income than any year since 1928.”

In this context, Sanders is more than just another candidate with low name recognition and no chance of actually winning. He is the perfect candidate for this moment. What that means, exactly, remains to be seen.
The Sanders effect

“People should not underestimate me,” Sanders told the Associated Press on April 30. “I’ve run outside of the two-party system, defeating Democrats and Republicans, taking on big-money candidates, and ... the message that has resonated in Vermont is a message that can resonate all over this country.”

Sanders has an advantage in that the first Democratic primary will be in New Hampshire, where his long political career in neighboring Vermont has made him well known. An upset there would give him early momentum. And in Iowa his campaign events have drawn overflowing crowds. But barring a meltdown by the Hillary Clinton campaign, her name recognition and campaign war chest are daunting—perhaps impossible—obstacles to overcome. In May, a CNN poll showed that just 10 percent of Democratic voters favored Sanders. Fifteen percent favored Joe Biden and 60 percent favored Clinton.

Seeking to explain his long-shot bid, pundits usually note that Sanders will push Clinton to the left. And there is little doubt that he will, at least during the campaign. When he isn’t talking about economic inequality, Sanders is usually talking about climate change. Clinton, who has not distinguished herself on either issue, will be forced to respond. Strong opposition from Sanders and Elizabeth Warren to the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) trade deal, for example, seems to have forced Clinton to keep her position vague, though she has a history of supporting free-trade initiatives. Sanders, Warren and other progressive Democrats argue that it will hurt American workers and further erode the middle class.

But the potential significance of Sanders’ campaign for the Democratic nomination goes far beyond the 2016 race. And it goes far beyond whatever effects his campaign will have on Clinton.

Since the 1980s, Republicans have promised to grow the economy by cutting taxes, privatizing the public sphere and deregulating the economy. Democrats have mainly promised to limit the damage done by Republicans.

Sanders is a radical because he unapologetically asserts a vision of what government by the people and for the people can actually accomplish—and has accomplished. That vision has animated the progressive movement for more than a century. But relatively few have had the national megaphone that he will hold over the next year. His policy proposals include a jobs program to rebuild roads, bridges, airports and schools; hiking the federal minimum wage; breaking up the biggest banks; reforming the tax code and eliminating corporate loopholes; and investing heavily in renewable energy sources.

“If I do something ... I want to do it well,” Sanders told the Brookings audience in February. The measure of whether he succeeds, though, will not be whether he wins the Democratic nomination or even whether he wins a certain percentage of the vote. A better measure will be whether he can help shift our national dialogue and revitalize the progressive movement. What Sanders wrote of his 1996 campaign might also be said of his current run for the presidency: It is “about hopes and dreams that will not be realized in our lifetimes. It is about the fragility of democracy in America.”

On one level, success will mean channeling and amplifying the growing voices of protest against rising inequality—racial, economic and political—in the United States. More than that, it will mean translating the frustration of millions of Americans into an alternative vision of the nation’s future. It will mean making the connection between the Republican agenda and rising inequality—and pointing a way forward for those who are saying “enough is enough,” and who can be mobilized, as Sanders believes, into a grassroots movement with the resources and the will to push back.

ABOUT THIS AUTHOR
Theo Anderson, an In These Times staff writer, is writing a book about the historical and contemporary influence of pragmatism on American politics. He has a Ph.D. in American history from Yale University and teaches history and literature seminars at the Newberry Library in Chicago.

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73. "Great read - I ain't gonna lie, I got a lil' hype reading it."
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I still say he has no chance in hell of winning, but I'm donating and will support him.

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72. "Why Should I? The burden of proof is on him not me."
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He is 73! What the hell was he waiting for? How is his name so low on the totem pole if he is such an effective leader?

You have to be a well-rounded individual to properly lead. He has to galvanize the masses to give him money to run a grand campaign. Effectively communicate his message to the many not the few. If he can beat Hilary then that would be a start. This is not a sport, I'm not rooting for anyone.

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77. "he's not elizabeth warren."
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79. "lol, after Obama, do you still believe in the system?"
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do you really think any vote you cast makes a difference?

the presidential race is for entertainment purposes only.

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90. "RE: lol, after Obama, do you still believe in the system?"
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>do you really think any vote you cast makes a difference?

On day to day laws getting passed? Nope....

But impact on the Supreme Court? U better believe it....

If a Republican gets into that Oval Office that's the true stakes of it all....

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http://i.imgur.com/3quywfl.jpg

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92. "its the same shit the last guy was saying "
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and the guy before that, everything these guys say is tailored specifically to counter your frustrations in a way that is favorable to the higher ideal. they are elected on principles and social trends which appeal to the voter, even if they intend to do something else. its all in the game though.

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108. "no, it's not actually...at all"
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no president has gone so hard on campaign financing, lobbying, and the impact of capital on elected officials period

the only person saying the same shit in here is you

the perspective you expressed is there bc of a capitalist status quo...never been a front-runner so critical of capitalism to call themselves a socialist...period

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120. "go back to your hashish and exploring concepts of duality"
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grown folk talking in here

yes Obama has had a massive impact on social life and policy both good and bad. the shape of the country I am living in would feel and look radically different if he had lost either election. that's just reality. the wars, rights for women, lgbt-ers, the BLM movement, racist terrosit showing their ass, healthcare, dialogue and policy on immigrants from the global south and larger world, would all be different and more terrifying.

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89. "the presidency would emasculate his ideals."
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93. "Bernie on Bill Maher last night"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLeAXR0yp0w

  

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95. "as much as.."
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I like him and his message... but every time I'm like "ALRIGHT!!! but... How Bernie?"

  

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99. "RE: why not support bernie sanders?"
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100. "b/c i don't want him to win."
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i don't want him to be my next POTUS.

i'd rather see him in some position where he can upset the apple cart. POTUS can't do that.

at this point i suspect if Bern became POTUS we'd see more obstructionism from the Congress. maybe not as much as we see w/BHO.

also, as POTUS Bern will have to compromise many of his positions in order to get much of anything done. that'd break my heart. kinda like what i've seen from BHO.

Hilldawg...she doesn't have my heart. also, she's gonna be better at compromise than Bern. and to see her compromise to get the job done (as much as possible at least) won't hurt as much. she too will see obstructionism in Congress but possibly less than Bern would face. plus she's more of a politician than Bern - i see Bern as an activist, basically. activists don't belong in political office - they should be on the 'outside' shouting down the politicians.

fuck you.

  

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105. "I'd say more obstructionism than bho"
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Wall Street and like interests tanturm up about how Obama said a mean thing to them once, and call him a socialist, and cry class warfare even though they know it's not that deep, and they know can live with him. Hillary too. So they'll kick and scream over whatever kind of tepid regulatory legislation they might be able to get through, but they know it likely wont be anything drastic.

They'll see Bernie as a flat out enemy though because he actually *will* have a 'fuck you people' tone when talking about them. He's not gonna start off his speeches with a bunch of disclaimers about how much he loves capitalism, and american exceptionalism blahblahblah.

I would imagine they'd fight him harder than anyone, which could ultimately amount in nothing getting done, but pretty amazing if he actually could.


  

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109. "could be."
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fuck you.

  

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110. "words can't describe how much I hate this."
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>Wall Street and like interests tanturm up about how Obama
>said a mean thing to them once, and call him a socialist, and
>cry class warfare even though they know it's not that deep

"Obama says something mean"

"SOCIALIST!!"

"politician says something that HINTS at lessening the gravy train for corporate and Wall Street interests"

"SOCIALIST!!! COMMUNIST!"

I just wish one day these politicians would answer back in the most genteel, coded version of "SUCK MY DICK"


  

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101. "Taibbi's article on Bernie from a few weeks back is really good"
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I'm still not convinced if Bern can be a effective president in this broken ass system, but i agree with his general point that we pretty much have it backwards.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-case-for-bernie-sanders-20151103
The Case for Bernie Sanders
His critics say he’s not realistic – but they have it backwards
By Matt Taibbi November 3, 2015


The New York Times published a piece over the weekend about the political prospects of Bernie Sanders, a politician who apparently does not kiss enough babies:

" rarely drops by diners or coffee shops with news cameras in tow, unlike most politicians. He hardly ever kisses babies, aides say, and does not mingle much at fund-raisers.

"His high-minded style carries risk. As effective as his policy-laden speeches may be in impressing potential supporters, Mr. Sanders is missing opportunities to lock down uncommitted voters face to face in Iowa and New Hampshire, where campaigns are highly personal."


The media response to the Sanders campaign has been alternately predictable, condescending, confused and condescending again.

The tone of most of the coverage shows reporters deigning to treat his campaign like it's real, like he has a chance. John Cassidy of The New Yorker, for instance, swore he wouldn't be patronizing about the Sanders run. "Indeed, I welcomed Sanders to the race!" Cassidy wrote recently.

But Cassidy's hokey "Welcome to the 2016 Race, Bernie Sanders!" piece from last spring had a small catch. It basically said that Sanders was welcome because he would be a boon to the real candidate, Hillary Clinton.

" can't win the primary," Cassidy wrote. "And he will occupy the space to the left of Clinton, thus denying it to more plausible candidates, such as Martin O'Malley." (!)

Noting that Sanders held positions that were "eminently defensible, if unrealistic," Cassidy nonetheless said he was glad Sanders was running, because he would "provide a voice to those Democrats who agree with him that the U.S. political system has been bought, lock, stock, and barrel."

This passage he wrote just after arguing that Sanders cannot win and was only useful insofar as he would help the bought-off candidate win.

So what Cassidy really meant is that the Sanders campaign was allowing people who are justifiably pissed about our corrupted system to blow off steam, before they ultimately surrender to give their support to the system candidate.

And he welcomed that! But he wasn't being condescending or anything.

Cassidy referred back to that old piece recently, after he became among the first of many pundits pronouncing Hillary the knockout winner of a debate that most actual human beings seemed to think Sanders handled quite well. Cassidy went so far as to ask, "Did the media get the Democratic debate wrong?"

He thought and thought on this, then decided he/it didn't.

"Based on Clinton's manner," he wrote, "and her deftness in evading awkward questions, I think she delivered the best performance."

Campaign-trail reporting is like high school: a brutish, interminable exercise in policing mindless social rules. In school, if someone is fat or has zits or wears the wrong clothes, the cool kids rag on that person until they run home crying or worse.

The Heathers of the campaign trail do the same thing. Sanders is just the latest in a long line of candidates – Howard Dean, Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul, to name a few – whom my media colleagues decided in advance were not electable, and covered accordingly, with a sneer.

When we reporters are introduced to a politician, the first thing we ask ourselves is if he or she is acceptable to the political establishment. We don't admit that we ask this as a prerequisite, but we do.

Anyone who's survived without felony conviction a few terms as a senator, governor or congressperson, has an expensive enough haircut, and has never once said anything interesting will likely be judged a potentially "serious" candidate.

If you're wondering why no Mozarts or Einsteins ever end up running for president in America, but an endless succession of blockheads like Rick Perry are sold to us on the cover of Time magazine as contenders, it's because of this absurd prerequisite.

Ultimately, what we're looking for is someone who's enough of a morally flexible gasbag to get over with the money people, and then also charming enough on some politically irrelevant level to attract voters. ("I'm a war hero, and Sharon Stone's cousin" was Chris Rock's take on acceptable presidential self-salesmanship).

Bernie Sanders bluntly fails the Rick Perry test. In fact he pretty much defines what it means to fail that test. It isn't just that he doesn't kiss babies or comb his hair or "deftly evade answers." He's also unapologetically described himself as a socialist, which makes him a giant bespectacled block of Kryptonite for Beltway donors and mainstream journalists alike.

If questioned, most reporters would justify this by noting that an effective president must be able to bridge the gap between powerful interests and populist concerns. So it makes some sense to interrogate candidates accordingly, to make sure they're acceptable to both sides.

The flaw in this reasoning is that it assumes that Wall Street and Silicon Valley and Big Pharma and the rest need the help of us reporters to weed out the undesirables.

They don't, of course. Big money already has a stranglehold on the process of government. It outright owns most of the members of Congress, and its lobbyists write much of our important legislation. With Citizens United, buying elections is now more or less legal. Big money even owns most of the media companies that employ those pundits who are all telling us now to worry about how "realistic" Sanders isn't.

Everybody knows this. In fact, this numbing reality of how completely corrupted the modern American political process is bends the brains of those whose job it is to cover it. What happens over time is that you lose hope, and you begin to view everything through the prism of the corruption to which you're so accustomed.

When you stop believing in the electoral process, then the only questions left to interest a professional observer are who wins, and how many laughs there will be along the way. We've gotten good at thinking about these things. Cassidy's bit about Sanders harmlessly occupying the left flank and blocking more "plausible" candidates from threatening Hillary is exactly the kind of sounds-smart observation we've been trained to believe passes for political journalism today.

Conversely, we've been trained not to care about which old ladies are freezing to death this week because some utility somewhere is turning the heat off, or who's having their furniture put on the street by a sheriff executing a foreclosure order, or who's losing a leg to diabetes because they didn't have the money for a simple checkup two years ago, etc.

None of those characters make it into campaign reporting. As good as we are at the horse-race idiocy, we suck that much at writing about these other things.

Watching Bernie slog forward to an audience of political gatekeepers who wish he would stop being a bummer and just kiss more babies shames me into a confession. I find myself giving up on this process all the time.

Donald Trump, a man whose idea of policy is a big wall, was the Republican frontrunner for months, and ceded the lead to a man who wants to fight immigrants with drones. This whole thing is a joke. At times, the only thing you can take seriously about any of this is the gambler's question of who wins.

I got into the act a few weeks back, gushing about how Trey Gowdy's Benghazi hearing solved Hillary Clinton's voter-sympathy problem. Quite a development in the soap opera! But a million miles from anything that matters.

Successful politicians today on both sides of the aisle are sprawling celebrity franchises. They seem always to be making piles of money and hobnobbing with Beautiful People when they're finished moving the status quo in some incremental direction, which some hack somewhere will always be willing to call change.

Whether it's the Clintons with their foundations or Al Gore with his movies and his carbon-trading interests or the Bush/Cheney axis of hereditary politics and energy commerce, we expect the politicians who make it to the big time to cash in somewhere along the line because, hey, this is America. Donald Trump, if elected, would find a way to turn being the president into a moneymaking operation.

Sanders is a clear outlier in a generation that has forgotten what it means to be a public servant. The Times remarks upon his "grumpy demeanor." But Bernie is grumpy because he's thinking about vets who need surgeries, guest workers who've had their wages ripped off, kids without access to dentists or some other godforsaken problem that most of us normal people can care about for maybe a few minutes on a good day, but Bernie worries about more or less all the time.

I first met Bernie Sanders ten years ago, and I don't believe there's anything else he really thinks about. There's no other endgame for him. He's not looking for a book deal or a membership in a Martha's Vineyard golf club or a cameo in a Guy Ritchie movie. This election isn't a game to him; it's not the awesomely repulsive dark joke it is to me and many others.

And the only reason this attention-averse, sometimes socially uncomfortable person is subjecting himself to this asinine process is because he genuinely believes the system is not beyond repair.

Not all of us can say that. But that doesn't make us right, and him "unrealistic." More than any other politician in recent memory, Bernie Sanders is focused on reality. It's the rest of us who are lost.

  

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131. "This does a good job of summing up a lot of my feelings"
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I'm voting Bernie as long as i can, because I'm voting for the guy who reflects the way I would like the government to be run. He gives a shit about the things i would like a politician to give a shit about.

I'll vote Hil if I have to in the general election, but I'd rather have Bernie. I also don't see him as unelectable. His message is resonating with people who hear it.

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123. "He's an old white Jew."
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125. "you already said that in 49, grandpa"
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126. "I've always liked Bernie, but I'll generally concur with Barney Frank:"
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http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/07/why-progressives-shouldnt-support-bernie-120484

Hillary would be a better President, but more importantly, she would win, whereas Bernie wouldn't. And we desperately need to win this time around.

  

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129. "yup. i agree too."
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fuck you.

  

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murph71
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130. "RE: I've always liked Bernie, but I'll generally concur with Barney Fran..."
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>http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/07/why-progressives-shouldnt-support-bernie-120484
>
>Hillary would be a better President, but more importantly, she
>would win, whereas Bernie wouldn't. And we desperately need to
>win this time around.


Yep....Republicans at the moment r no longer fit to hold the highest office....No hyperbole....These mufuckas have left the reservation and off the cliff....

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137. "uhm, ya, that didnt change my mind at all."
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there was no credible discussion about why bernie would not win an election
too much naysaying, based on... shit i dont really know what
he's a socialist so he wont win?.

i do want a competitive nomination process
i do think bernie has the edge over hilary
i do think he would win against those crazy folk the republicans put up
if he wins the nomination
this country needs badly needs an overhaul
and i think bernie is the most likely candidate to start that dialogue

i also think the repub party is headed to its own destruction - (perhaps not fast enough, but good enough)
unless it can figure out how to actually be republican
(i dont wtf this version is)
but i increasingly hope an alternative comes up
perhaps a true liberal party
and a competitive conservative ideology

wishful thinking
either way, feel the bern!

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138. "Right, while I loathe Hillary, Bernie is too far left to be taken seriou..."
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in a general election.

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134. "I'm not really knowledgeable about politics but"
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"I like Bernie but he won't win so I'm not going to vote for him" seems kind of backwards and cynical?

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135. "it's absolutely cynical, and absolutely backwards."
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but there's still reasoning behind it that's been explained over and over. it might even be somewhat backwards and cynical for Bern to run as a Democrat when he's too good for that party, but he knows 1)it's his only realistic shot of winning. 2.) he never wants to do anything that would amount to a republican being elected.

>"I like Bernie but he won't win so I'm not going to vote for
>him" seems kind of backwards and cynical?

  

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139. "RE: I'm not really knowledgeable about politics but"
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>"I like Bernie but he won't win so I'm not going to vote for
>him" seems kind of backwards and cynical?


Politics is a cynical business.....It is what it is.....

Too much at stake to be cute.....

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141. "no. we need to do better Murph, you know this"
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murph71
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142. "RE: no. we need to do better Murph, you know this"
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I don't do pie in the sky, homie unless we are talking about things happening on the ground....In the hardcore political world though? I'm pretty straight no chaser....

I get what u r saying.....I really do....But the past four years have shown me just how destructive and dangerous the Republican party has become. If they get control of both houses AND the Presidency that nightmare scenario is enough for me to be sober minded when it comes to my vote....

The Republicans r a party at this very moment that has a carnival barking racist as its lead candidate...

Nah dog....I'm good....

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145. "RE: Question for anyone? Let's say Bernie"
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ended up with the nom

y'all realy think he can't defeat Trump, Ben, Rubio or Jeb? Really?

y'all understand Trump and his supporters are like 8% of the voting pop, right?

  

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146. "I don't think he can beat Rubio or jeb. Definitely the other two "
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And with jeb and probably Rubio Bernie wouldn't get smashed either.

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147. "RE: Question for anyone? Let's say Bernie"
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>ended up with the nom
>
>y'all realy think he can't defeat Trump, Ben, Rubio or Jeb?
>Really?
>
>y'all understand Trump and his supporters are like 8% of the
>voting pop, right?


He could beat Trump and Doc Ben....But it would be much too close for comfort....

Rubio and Jeb? That's another story....And I'd rather not take that chance....

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143. " i hear u"
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One of the reason Bernie wont win nationally is because of Hillary's is stronger on foreign policy.

Now with all the latest terrorist events and war rhetoric popping up everywhere, that puts Hillary in the unique position over all the other candidates to deal with these foreign policy concerns. That brings in the independents and helps her win in swing states like Ohio, Virginia, Nevada, Colorado, and Florida. Bernie is obviously stronger than her when dealing with the working poor and talking about the economy. But if Bernie is the nominee, the Republican Candidate can eat him alive in those areas where National Defense and fighting terrorist will surely be a huge topic and concern a year from now. And the one candidate that can neutralize the Republicans on foreign policy and scaring people into voting for them on the threat on terrorism and National Defense, the way Bush did in 2004, is Hillary.

I love Bernie. I think he has already earned a spot in a potential Clinton administration. But when its all said and done, the most electable candidate is Hillary.

  

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148. "good points"
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144. "democrats only win when they're centralized."
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It's just the reality of it. The swing vote goes to the republicans if Bernie reps the dems.

  

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149. "i would vote for him, but he won't win"
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too far left, even though he's what we need.

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150. "he is one of those white cats who is made for tv"
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it ain't gonna happen. he is a cornball. smart and interesting,but he just doesn't have that next level appeal.

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