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"Is Bob Costas right about ESPN being Exploitive of the Jenner story?"


          

Bob Costas: Decision to Give Caitlyn Jenner ESPY Award a ‘Crass Exploitation Play’
by Josh Feldman | 5:03 pm, June 8th, 2015


http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bob-costas-decision-to-give-caitlyn-jenner-espy-award-a-crass-exploitation-play/

Caitlyn Jenner is being honored by ESPN with the Arthur Ashe Courage Award at the upcoming ESPYs, a move that has been met with much controversy. There was a hoax about Jenner getting the award over an Iraq war vet, but people are still upset at Jenner receiving the award over more deserving people, despite Jenner being a very famous sports name who’s being heralded for her courage to publicly transition.

Bob Costas is one of those critics, saying on The Dan Patrick Show today that while he wishes Jenner “all the happiness in the world” and is encouraged by how much more tolerant America has become, he’s not on board with the decision.

“Awarding the Arthur Ashe award to Caitlyn Jenner is just a crass exploitation play,” Costas said. “It’s a tabloid play. In the broad world of sports, I’m pretty sure they could have found –– and this is not anything against Caitlyn Jenner – –I’m pretty sure they could have found someone who was much closer to actively involved in sports who would have been deserving of what that ward represents.”

And while he didn’t deny it took courage for Caitlyn Jenner to come out, he believes ESPN made the decision for the “gawker factor” and could have found more deserving candidates.

Watch the video below, via NBCSN: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bob-costas-decision-to-give-caitlyn-jenner-espy-award-a-crass-exploitation-play/#ooid=QxazJrdToItcCr1nRLOrY8eI1cjA9VLK



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Jun 08th 2015
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Forget all of you bias for a second and consider the context.
Jun 08th 2015
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You first. Lol
Jun 08th 2015
8
True, but I think Costsa is right about ESPN trying to Seize the moment ...
Jun 08th 2015
14
      i bet you do.
Jun 08th 2015
21
           We can watch it together in solidarity if you like.
Jun 08th 2015
22
... are you familiar with the history of the award? At all?
Jun 08th 2015
9
      Yup! Here you go!
Jun 08th 2015
10
agreed but does that change ESPN's motivation? no. not at all
Jun 09th 2015
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      so what?
Jun 09th 2015
44
           So what=point taken in your language I am finding.
Jun 09th 2015
52
                is English your 2nd language?
Jun 09th 2015
54
Past winners include Robin Roberts, Nelson Mandela, & Billie Jean King
Jun 08th 2015
2
Misogyny and transphobia disguised in paternalist concern for Caitlyn.
Jun 08th 2015
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      Slightly better than misogyny and transphobia disguised as other things?
Jun 08th 2015
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      lol
Jun 08th 2015
7
      meta tag words for the win
Jun 08th 2015
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He must have been against Nelson Mandela winning it too.
Jun 08th 2015
6
Are you comparing Jenner to Mandela?
Jun 08th 2015
11
      The comparison absolutely applies.
Jun 08th 2015
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           First Costas wasn't furious. So stop the exaggeration
Jun 08th 2015
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BRUCE aint done SHIT in SPORTS IN 40 YRS
Jun 08th 2015
12
Noah Galloway or Lauren Hill should have gotten the award.
Jun 08th 2015
they usually give it to people like retired or facing a serious illness
Jun 09th 2015
42
Killing brown people in the middle east aint a sport, either.
Jun 09th 2015
56
he certainly earned your click
Jun 08th 2015
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Have you put up your Caitlyn Jenner poster yet?
Jun 08th 2015
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      I don't think about the kardashians as much as you do.
Jun 08th 2015
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           That was weak.
Jun 08th 2015
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                you made this post right?
Jun 08th 2015
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                     Are response is weak, but that's your nature.
Jun 08th 2015
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                          Yes, are response is weak, I concur.
Jun 08th 2015
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                               Be blessed.
Jun 09th 2015
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                                    I am!
Jun 09th 2015
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EVERY AWARDS SHOW IS EXPLOITATIVE. ALL OF THEM.
Jun 08th 2015
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You have a point. But not all are doing it for the current media hype
Jun 08th 2015
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HOLLAR.
Jun 08th 2015
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Exactly
Jun 08th 2015
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RE: EVERY AWARDS SHOW IS EXPLOITATIVE. ALL OF THEM.
Jun 09th 2015
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Its a sports awards show..
Jun 08th 2015
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^^ Sees It^^
Jun 08th 2015
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i agree, espn is doing it for ratings. also, Jenner killed someone
Jun 08th 2015
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If someone else has a pending murder case they wouldn't be invited
Jun 08th 2015
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she doesn't have a pending murder case.
Jun 08th 2015
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      He's about to deal with case where he cause the death of a person.
Jun 08th 2015
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           No charge has been filed.
Jun 08th 2015
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The classic "Well, she aint no angel" reply. How CNN of you.
Jun 09th 2015
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It's def a ratings thing, but most people complaining are full of shit
Jun 08th 2015
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Yup. .
Jun 08th 2015
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Cotdamn, right....I made a RIP post about Lauren Hill in OKS...
Jun 08th 2015
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yeah. I'll admit I had no clue who she was before this award thing
Jun 09th 2015
50
But ESPN has been all over the Lauren Hill story for months
Jun 09th 2015
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      have you ever cared before about who didn't win the courage award?
Jun 09th 2015
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           This question will likely go unanswered.
Jun 09th 2015
59
the Michael Sam Story could get some award as well
Jun 08th 2015
39
it could but they dont want to piss of the NFL and it's messy
Jun 09th 2015
43
      He got the award last year
Jun 09th 2015
45
Both parties got press for upcoming things. Fair exchange ain't robbery
Jun 09th 2015
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Of course mouth breathers like you would be sad about this lol
Jun 09th 2015
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^^ Looking for attention,
Jun 09th 2015
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1. "no."
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Considering the ppl it's upsetting I'm all for it. Fuck everyone who's mad about it. They're wrong and I enjoy seeing them squirm and whine.

fuck you.

  

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5. "Forget all of you bias for a second and consider the context."
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Mon Jun-08-15 06:11 PM by Case_One

          

Giving Jenner - Bruce or otherwise the Arthur Ashe Courage Award is like giving the award to Steve Young Athlete of the Year for his play on the football filed over 10 years ago. The Arthur Ashe Courage Award is a sport-oriented award, even though it's not limited to sports-related people or actions, as it is presented annually to individuals whose contributions "transcend sports". Someone in the current realm of sports life or that impacted sports or the community on some level.

Yeah, there have been other people that have received the award but they still impacted community of sport on some level. Even Nelson Mandela.

Still, I understand the notion that ESPN is just grabbing for the attention.


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8. "You first. Lol"
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The award has been given to others who have been retired from sports for decades.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Ashe_Courage_Award

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14. "True, but I think Costsa is right about ESPN trying to Seize the moment ..."
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For rating and sensationalism.


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21. "i bet you do."
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22. "We can watch it together in solidarity if you like."
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9. "... are you familiar with the history of the award? At all?"
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10. "Yup! Here you go!"
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Ashe_Courage_Award

Arthur Ashe Courage Award
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Arthur Ashe Courage Award (sometimes called the Arthur Ashe Award for Courage or Arthur Ashe for Courage Award) is an award that is part of the ESPY Awards. Although it is a sport-oriented award, it is not limited to sports-related people or actions, as it is presented annually to individuals whose contributions "transcend sports". Often these transcendent figures are also athletes who have been at the top of their sport, such as Mohammed Ali, Dean Smith, Cathy Freeman.

List of recipients
Year Recipients
1993 Jim Valvano (Award Video and Speech)
1994 Steve Palermo
1995 Howard Cosell
1996 Loretta Claiborne
1997 Muhammad Ali
1998 Dean Smith
1999 Billie Jean King
2000 Dave Sanders (posthumously)
2001 Cathy Freeman
2002 Todd Beamer, Mark Bingham, Tom Burnett, and Jeremy Glick (posthumously)
2003 Pat Tillman and Kevin Tillman
2004 George Weah
2005 Emmanuel Ofosu Yeboah and Jim MacLaren
2006 Roia Ahmad and Shamila Kohestani
2007 Trevor Ringland and David Cullen from Peace Players International
2008 Tommie Smith and John Carlos
2009 Nelson Mandela
2010 Family of Ed Thomas
2011 Dewey Bozella
2012 Pat Summitt (Award Video and Speech)
2013 Robin Roberts
2014 Michael Sam
2015 Caitlyn Jenner

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41. "agreed but does that change ESPN's motivation? no. not at all"
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Your position and Costas's and not entirely irreconcilable. To me it can be both, I can be happy Jenner is being honored but also acknowledge the less honorable side of the show. Let's put it this way, would they give an ACTIVE transgendered athlete this award? They have had opportunities and they have probably not even considered it. There would be controversy and a real face of someone who wasn't nearly as prominent or privileged. They wouldn't touch her with a 50-foot pole. Here they have someone who is safely removed from competition and a second-moment celebrity, so they are taking the low-hanging fruit. Think ESPN is progressive? LOL, look at the knuckle draggers they employ and pay the big bucks to.

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44. "so what?"
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52. "So what=point taken in your language I am finding."
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The question was "Is Costas right?"

Your answer was "No."

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54. "is English your 2nd language?"
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are you unfamiliar w/the phrase 'so what' when used as a question?

i don't really care.

let's get to it:

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=12825421&mesg_id=12825421&page=#12825468

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2. "Past winners include Robin Roberts, Nelson Mandela, & Billie Jean King"
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Howard Cosell 10 years after he retired, Tommie Smith and John Carlos 40 years after they made waves, some guys who were on United 93.

There is a well-established history of this award going to people not "actively involved in sports".

Nobody gave any fucks about this award at any point in time over the last 20+ years. The fucks given have nothing to do with the actual award but what it is recognizing

  

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3. "Misogyny and transphobia disguised in paternalist concern for Caitlyn."
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Caitlyn is a grown-ass woman who ain't stupid. If she feels exploited let her speak on it. Let her reject the award or use the platform to challenge ESPN. That's HER fight. She don't need her daddy coming her rescue in the form of Bob Costas or anyone allegedly objecting on her behalf for her own good. Like she doesn't know what's good for her on this issue.

As the fuck if!

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4. "Slightly better than misogyny and transphobia disguised as other things?"
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I've seen people incorporate patriotism in some of their objections. That's good, right? They're not talking about how she shouldn't be celebrated, they just think that the REAL heroes should be celebrated first.

  

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20. "meta tag words for the win"
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6. "He must have been against Nelson Mandela winning it too."
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Nelson Mandela winning the award was a cheap publicity push for the upcoming release of Invictus later that fall. Warner Brothers got a slew of free advertising and prestige for their big Clint-directed film, and ESPN got to exploitatively tie a worldwide hero loosely into its awards show for ratings. There were unquestionably people more directly tied to the world of sports than Mandela that year who deserved to be rewarded for courage.

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11. "Are you comparing Jenner to Mandela?"
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16. "The comparison absolutely applies."
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The question was if ESPN is exploiting the Cailtyn Jenner situation despite the fact that Jenner has been away from sports for a while.

Note that I didn't say no. I just said Costas must have been equally furious about the exploitation of Nelson Mandela, who was even *less* related to sports.

Or, you know, Costas is mad for a different reason. Those are really the only two options.

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18. "First Costas wasn't furious. So stop the exaggeration "
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Nor was he mad. He just gave an opinion, so stop trying to add gas to a homemade fire.


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12. "BRUCE aint done SHIT in SPORTS IN 40 YRS"
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"Noah Galloway or Lauren Hill should have gotten the award. "


          


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42. "they usually give it to people like retired or facing a serious illness"
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i gotta agree with call it anything above, though i agree with costas that espn is also just trying to ride this for a buck.

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56. "Killing brown people in the middle east aint a sport, either."
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Well I mean...it is for some. But that's another topic.

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13. "he certainly earned your click"
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15. "Have you put up your Caitlyn Jenner poster yet?"
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24. "I don't think about the kardashians as much as you do."
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29. "That was weak."
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33. "you made this post right?"
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36. "Are response is weak, but that's your nature."
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40. "Yes, are response is weak, I concur."
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17. "EVERY AWARDS SHOW IS EXPLOITATIVE. ALL OF THEM."
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It's all for publicity. Every last one. Oscars, Emmys, Grammys, Tonys, and *especially* the Espys.

So anyone who complains about *this* award for *this* awards show *this* year for *this* recipient? Yeah, you're doing it for other reasons that aren't related to an award show. Period.

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19. "You have a point. But not all are doing it for the current media hype"
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23. "HOLLAR."
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fuck you.

  

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30. "Exactly"
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48. "RE: EVERY AWARDS SHOW IS EXPLOITATIVE. ALL OF THEM."
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>Yeah, you're doing it
>for other reasons that aren't related to an award show.
>Period.

  

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25. "Its a sports awards show.."
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Sports is pure entertainment, this is all entertainment. Caitlyn is pimping them out as well, with her reality show "I am Cait" coming out, mutual pimping going on, hahah

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27. "^^ Sees It^^"
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26. "i agree, espn is doing it for ratings. also, Jenner killed someone"
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http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/01/entertainment/feat-bruce-jenner-car-accident-lawsuit/

http://www.tmz.com/2015/05/01/bruce-jenner-crash-lawsuit-wrongful-death-car-accident-kim-howe/

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28. "If someone else has a pending murder case they wouldn't be invited"
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31. "she doesn't have a pending murder case."
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fuck you.

  

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37. "He's about to deal with case where he cause the death of a person."
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38. "No charge has been filed."
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fuck you.

  

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57. "The classic "Well, she aint no angel" reply. How CNN of you."
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"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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32. "It's def a ratings thing, but most people complaining are full of shit"
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There may very well be people more deserving like Lauren Hill, but if this award wasn't going to Jenner and just some other person who's not a big news story, most people wouldn't give a shit about her not winning, or even notice.

it reminds me of Obama winning the nobel peace prize. even if he wasn't deserving of it, people only actually cared about in in the context of 'fuck him'

  

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34. "Yup. ."
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>There may very well be people more deserving like Lauren
>Hill, but if this award wasn't going to Jenner and just some
>other person who's not a big news story, most people wouldn't
>give a shit about her not winning, or even notice.
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>it reminds me of Obama winning the nobel peace prize. even if
>he wasn't deserving of it, people only actually cared about in
>in the context of 'fuck him'

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35. "Cotdamn, right....I made a RIP post about Lauren Hill in OKS..."
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and it got like 4 replies. But the Caitlyn Jenner cover shoot post went triple plat...mostly by bammas disgusted by it.

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50. "yeah. I'll admit I had no clue who she was before this award thing"
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i think it's great that people are recognizing her, but if people really want to honor the memory of this amazing girl who they didn't hear of until last thursday, they should do what they can to get behind her cause instead of just bitching about bruce jenner. I don't know much about Lauren Hill, but i doubt her goal had anything to do with becomeing meme for tearing down another human being.

  

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53. "But ESPN has been all over the Lauren Hill story for months"
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55. "have you ever cared before about who didn't win the courage award?"
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59. "This question will likely go unanswered."
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Mostly because the answer is apparent.

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39. "the Michael Sam Story could get some award as well"
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so much politics involved.

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43. "it could but they dont want to piss of the NFL and it's messy"
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if he would have become a big ass star, they would have felt both pressure and impetus to consider him. as it i bet he didnt get a look

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45. "He got the award last year"
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46. "Both parties got press for upcoming things. Fair exchange ain't robbery"
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49. "Of course mouth breathers like you would be sad about this lol"
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In yiur opinion, Will we ever go back to a time when this kind of stuff was frowned upon?

Or are you destined to take L after L the rest of your life? Lmao

  

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58. "^^ Looking for attention, "
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Have a hug

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