So I'm getting my morning started....Watching a little CNN...And then I get hit with a puzzling ass headline: GEORGE W. BUSH VIEWED MORE FAVORABLY THAN PRESIDENT OBAMA.....

Okay, so I'm enough of a political junkie to know the deal. I understand that historically Presidents' poll numbers almost always take a dive into their second term. I understand that out of sight out of mind usually = an improving positive view of a politician out of office...

Hell, Richard Nixon, the crook of all crooks, started to receive some revisionist history towards the end of his life...

But W.? The dude that took us into the worst foreign policy debacle in American history? The guy that damn near destroyed America's economically standing and took the country and Wall Street into a devastating market crash, losing millions and millions of jobs in the process....

That guy is viewed better than the black guy that lead America back from economic brink, saved the auto industry, ect, ect...The kicker I saw in another poll? A little over 50 percent said they felt good about the economy, the highest number its been in years....But that same group (I think 45 or 47 percent) said they disapprove of Obama's handling of the economy...

I guess I shouldn't be surprised....Not even the presidency is immune to that LAST HIRED, FIRST FIRED history of this country....

God bless America!

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Politico
George W. Bush outpolls Barack Obama

By Nick Gass

6/3/15 6:57 AM EDT

Updated 6/3/15 8:41 AM EDT

Americans now have a more favorable view of former President George W. Bush than they do of President Barack Obama.

It is the first time in more than a decade that Americans have expressed a favorable view of Bush, at least according to a new CNN/ORC poll released Wednesday.



Bush is seen in a favorable light by 52 percent of those surveyed, compared with 43 percent who still view the 43rd president unfavorably. Americans are split on Obama, with 49 percent responding favorably and unfavorably.

The last time Bush polled in positive territory was in early April 2005, close to three months into his second term.
WASHINGTON, DC - JUNE 01: U.S. President Barack Obama speaks during an East Room event at the White House June 1, 2015 in Washington, DC. President Obama hosted 75 young leaders on themes of civic engagement, environment and natural resources management and entrepreneurship, the first group that is part of the Young Southeast Asian Leaders Initiative (YSEALI) Fellows Program. (Photo by Alex Wong/Getty Images)


Among living presidents, George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton are viewed the most favorably, with 64 percent responding favorably to both. Just 30 percent see the elder Bush negatively, and 33 percent see Clinton in an unfavorable light.

When the same question was asked in 2014, the 43rd president polled at 46 percent favorability, continuing his steady increase in the public’s esteem since leaving office, when just 33 percent responded that way in February 2009.

The poll was conducted May 29-31 by telephone, surveying 1,025 Americans, with an overall margin of error of plus-or-minus 3 percentage points.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/poll-george-w-bush-popularity-obama-popularity-118576.html#ixzz3c1RneNUJ

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

that Obama is at and how can you make a judgment call here until 6 or 7 years into the future when we know how Obama is viewed then?


oh that's right...


HOT TAKES!!!

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>that Obama is at and how can you make a judgment call here
>until 6 or 7 years into the future when we know how Obama is
>viewed then?
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>oh that's right...


At one point in his second term W's poll numbers (at the same point Obama is now), were in the low, low 40's below Obeezy....Just a few months later W was in the '30s....Historically his poll numbers were ranked among the worst of all presidents....

So how can someone who was in the very low 40's and then rock bottom '30s poll wise get a boost in such a dramatic way? I'm sure people are spooked by what's happening in the Middle East and Isis got folks shitting their pants...

But come on...lol

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

that Obama's are now was roughly the same and you have no clue how Obama will be viewed in 6 or 7 years...

thanks.

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>that Obama's are now was roughly the same and you have no
>clue how Obama will be viewed in 6 or 7 years...
>
>thanks.


Actually, I got it wrong...W.'s approval poll numbers AT THE EXACT SAME YEAR AND TIME as we are now with Obama were in the fucking low 30s.....THIRTIES....lol...In fact his disapproval numbers were in the 60's.....In June, Bush's approvals were at 32 percent....way lower than Obama's (who has been hovering in the high-mid 40's to hitting 50 percent a month or so back....)

I'm going to say we don't need to wait 6-7 years to see the bullshit....

Link: http://www.gallup.com/poll/116500/presidential-approval-ratings-george-bush.aspx

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

so Bush has LOWER approval numbers when he was at the same point in his 2nd term that Obama is now, right? or am i reading that wrong

AND, again, you have NO clue how Obama will be viewed in 6-7 years from now

therefore your entire thesis that the current discrepancy is based on race has absolutely no facts to back it up

of course we all know certain segments of this country resent the fuck out of the president being Black...but what you're posting here does not support anything, even that known truth

or again, maybe i'm completely missing something...

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his approval numbers were SUPPOSED to be in the toilet

for the vast majority of Americans

shit, most of us were probably making more in adjusted dollars when Dubs was sitting in the Oval than we are now...

edit: shit, look at this TPP thing...B is doing his BEST to keep the entire deal completely secret and under wraps...Congressman can go to a designated area to read it but can not copy or take any portion of the law with them...

maybe informed people know this stuff and realize that this dude is making some very dangerous moves on behalf of his puppet masters.

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And this is where we part Philly Phil...Are wages down? Hell yeah....Are more people getting part-time work? Sure...Are the rich getting VASTLY richer? Yes....

But compared to what was going on during the sec. W's second term?

Man, people would be building statues in honor of the president RIGHT NOW if he or she had the complexion for protection....I don't think we have an appreciation for just how dire shit was economically in W's second term....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

>Man, people would be building statues in honor of the
>president RIGHT NOW if he or she had the complexion for
>protection...

and that makes me question your motives...

intelligent people of all types can look at what is going on in this country and this world and realize that Obama has made minimal gains while reinforcing the worst parts of the Bush legacy


i know, i know...HOT TAKES get clicks, but damn...you don't call yourself a journalist do you?

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>>Man, people would be building statues in honor of the
>>president RIGHT NOW if he or she had the complexion for
>>protection...
>
>and that makes me question your motives...
>
>intelligent people of all types can look at what is going on
>in this country and this world and realize that Obama has made
>minimal gains while reinforcing the worst parts of the Bush
>legacy

I like the sneak diss on intelligence...Cute....

But I'm talking about economics here....Not widespread NSA spying (something I'm completely against...) or other issues I have with Obama's administration (dude not going hard in the paint for folks below the middle class)...

During Bush's Presidency we were bleeding jobs....In fact, in 2008 we lost 2.6 million jobs...In the last three months of W's run we lost 1.7 million...We had to bail out Wall Street....And the auto industry was on its death bed....

Now I'm not saying we are on easy street today....Quite the opposite...We doing better, but there's MUCH room for improvement....But Americans are buying a shit load of cars again, the type of marker point economist use to judge the state of the country....

Again, I'm going to go out on limb and say that if a Republican had the same economic record Obama has right now, they would be moonwalking in the End Zone......

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

Obama Outperforms Reagan On Jobs, Growth And Investing

http://www.forbes.com/sites/adamhartung/2014/09/05/obama-outperforms-reagan-on-jobs-growth-and-investing/

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Let's take baby steps on this, Phillip.....

1. W. had vastly lower approval numbers than Obama AT THE SAME POINT (u were the one that asked for those numbers, right?)....

2. So I gave the numbers to u to make that point that a President who at this very point had a low 30 percent rating vs. Obama's mid 40 numbers.

3. The following year W. would hit historic lows in the low 20's...

So the question: How does a former President who during the last two years of his second term have some of the lowest polling numbers history poll better than the guy who led the country back from an economic brink....?

Common sense wise I can say people are scared of Isis and the shit show in the Middle East....But it just so happens that the guy polling better than the guy who is now in office STARTED THE SHIT SHOW IN THE MIDDLE EAST....

So what else can I come up with than to say: something else is going on here....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

unless of course your name is Jimmy Carter

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>unless of course your name is Jimmy Carter

Jimmy continues to get that bad rap....I will agree with that...

But um....W vs. Obeezy?

Nah dog....Nah....We haven't even gone to a newly elected president to play that short memory" game....lol

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

Obama is viewed then

assuming of course the world hasn't blown up by then, lol.

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>Obama is viewed then
>
>assuming of course the world hasn't blown up by then, lol.


Ha!

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

Folks talking about Obama is ruining the country and he's the worst president ever have embarrassingly short memories.

The end of Bush's presidency gave us almost daily headlines about failing banks, sky-high unemployment, a housing crisis and a terribly mismanaged & unpopular war.

Obama isn't perfect but comparing the state of the US right now to what it was 8 years ago shouldn't even be done without going back and reading at least a month's worth of newspapers from the same point in Bush's presidency.

he was mocked and held accountable

in fact, many would say his failures were a big thing that swept Obama into office

the basic logic in murph's entire argument is faulty, that's all there is to it...

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and not his policies and actions while in office.

OF COURSE many do, but those are the same ones that have the WHOLE DAMN TIME...claiming that this data supports that Americans have somehow gotten MORE racist over the last 6-7 years is complete bunk, even if it is true...

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of Obama????

It does, trust

I was in a white sports bar and these two drunk as middle-aged white men were saying all kinds of foul ish abt Obama and how they would shoot him if they were a secret service agent, yet, when I listened to their gripes they had they were all kinds of misinformed but at this point it doesn't matter because most ppl's opinion of him, whether you like him or not, has been formed...probably 6 yrs ago


>and not his policies and actions while in office.
>
>OF COURSE many do, but those are the same ones that have the
>WHOLE DAMN TIME...claiming that this data supports that
>Americans have somehow gotten MORE racist over the last 6-7
>years is complete bunk, even if it is true...

grassrootsphilosopher

i do not think that group is representative of most white Americans however

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That the black guy who cleaned up the dumb white guys' mess is polling lower than said dumb white guy = Side Eye worthy.....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

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Everything looks like Oprah kissing Harvey Weinstein these days

look, we all agree that swaths of white people dislike Obama mainly because he's Black our divergence occurs at just how representative those crackers are of a much larger group of people

in 6 or 7 years you'll also have a good portion of old school crackers dead & younger white folks who are involved with more cultures aging & becoming more involved in societal decisions


that said yes racism will be alive & well

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>So how can someone who was in the very low 40's and then rock
>bottom '30s poll wise get a boost in such a dramatic way? I'm
>sure people are spooked by what's happening in the Middle East
>and Isis got folks shitting their pants...

People blame Obama for Isis and "Benghazi" and "Death Panels" and whatever. They blame Bush for the war in Iraq and cratering the economy. The good news for Bush is they're forgetting about those things by now. The bad news for Bush is that they'll eventually forget about Benghazi and death panels too.

And at that point, quasi-news outlets will run breathless stories about how Barack Obama is finally outpolling President Hillary Clinton.

or Lincoln against John Quincy Adams?

INQUIRING MINDS WANNA KNOW!!!

fuck you.

the New Deal

asssuming they know anything about history, that is.

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these polls?

fuck you.

cute

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Stevenson's campaign has yet to respond - they must be scrambling.

fuck you.

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fuck you.

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"Jesus is my Lord and Savior. And if you believe in him, he can be your's too."

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stupid ^^^^^^ and racially polarized.....I'm being nice with the latter description....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

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>stupid ^^^^^^ and racially polarized.....I'm being nice with
>the latter description....


making this a very interesting flip on your part

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No, my white Contrarian brother.....check the numbers up top....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

fuck you.

If Obama is worse than the WOAT, then people are delusional.

Definitely the WOAT of the modern era.

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bounce.

Mostly because he's been portrayed as being too stupid to seriously hate (largely by white people). His paintings and general folksiness have added to that.

Plus, alot of kids under a certain age don't remember his disastrous presidency firsthand.

the average age of the idiots getting surveyed is probably 60 plus

but that shit will not happen with Obama. The people who hate him now will hate him 10 years from now.

and we know why.

anyone mewho denies this is an idiot.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

But in the long run (15-30 years) history will tell a much different story than our media does now.. and it's going to be pretty damn embarrassing.

but more than likely they birth more haters.

the guy took out Bin Laden and people still said "he didn't fire the bullet so why should he get credit"

that type of hate is impressive. they spin any positive into a negative.

people give Putin props because they hate Obama.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

And no, I don't mean to compare him to MLK, I just mean that there will be some revisionist history about who stood for what, and about who was on who's side.

is doing these days to pay the bills. Hard for me to imagine he's totally done and not doing anything to pay the light bill. Remarkable how dude faded to Bolivan and was a two term president.

but be old as hell and 2. he doesn't need anything to do, I'm sure inhaling and exhaling is enough for him at this point considering his recent health issues/advanced age.

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he stole that first election as if Suge Knight was in his blood.

all the mess that was done on his watch.

foriegn policy,and i know "W" knows about them Ponzi Schemes of Enron and countless others, etc..


Cheney was up to no good as was Ashcroft and his side croonies.

never trusted or dug that turkey.

if Obama was white they would have him on a new bill like today with all that has been accomplished.

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Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

Don't forget 9/11 happened under Bush, though if you watch fox news those fools will tell you Bush kept the country safe..

"You used to be so cool, but now, you know you're so cold"

>Don't forget 9/11 happened under Bush, though if you watch
>fox news those fools will tell you Bush kept the country
>safe..


Again....This^^^^^^

I'm not much for pissing contests and such....But it's not like we are looking back at the W. era 20 plus years later or something with this poll...This shit is barely 10 years since he was in office....

Like for real....Obama ain't perfect. I got my issues with dude....But I also have a few decades of experience being a black man in America....

I got two eyes....I can see....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

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Exactly, and these folks political affliation.. All this stuff is so easily manipulated..

"You used to be so cool, but now, you know you're so cold"