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"Marvin Gaye's wife reveals how he tortured her. (Swipe)"


  

          

Tough to read.

http://nypost.com/2015/05/03/marvin-gayes-wife-revealed-how-he-tortured-her/

Marvin Gaye’s wife reveals how he tortured her
By Larry GetlenMay 3, 2015 | 6:00am
Janis Hunter was a mother of two in her early 20s when her longtime lover, father of her children and one of the world’s most lusted-after soul singers, Marvin Gaye, suggested an amorous liaison with another couple.
The four had been smoking weed and snorting cocaine when Gaye noticed the pair sizing her up.

“I think they want to take this party to the next phase,” he said. “A small intimate orgy is just what the doctor ordered.”
He didn’t participate but acted as ringleader, urging on the sexual proceedings between his hesitant, eager-to-please girlfriend, 17 years his junior, and the couple they had just met.
After, Gaye projected his joy at the event onto Hunter. He projected something else as well.
“You loved it, didn’t you,” he asked.
“Not especially.”
“Oh, dear, please don’t deny it. You were an animal in heat. You couldn’t get enough. This was your dream come true.”
“Not my dream, Marvin. Yours.”
The next night, when the other couple returned for more, Gaye’s enthusiasm had become something else. He told Hunter, “You go off with them if you want. I can’t stop you. I won’t try.”
She refused, the couple left and Gaye told her how he really felt about the fantasy that his prodding had made real.
“To watch purity turn to perversity is a fascinating thing,” he told her. “You were once my angel. But now you have fallen. And yes, I do admit, it is exciting to watch you fall.”

“After the Dance,” a memoir by Gaye’s mistress-turned-wife Jan Gaye, written with David Ritz, recalls a love affair propelled by just these sorts of mind games. Marvin Gaye’s immense, undeniable talent for singing and songwriting, and his equally impossible-to-dismiss sex appeal, were accompanied by increasingly heavy drug use — freebasing cocaine eventually did him in — and erratic moods, a constant tug of war between thrills, love, lust and terror.
Janis Hunter met Marvin Gaye when she was 17. Her mother, Barbara, was friends with Ed Townsend, Gaye’s producer, and he brought her to the studio to watch Gaye record.
Hunter recalls her first time seeing Gaye in person.
“His face expressed a gentleness that carried the same promise as : that life, lifted into melody and framed by harmony, never has to be harsh,” she writes. “His sound erased all pain.”

At the time, Gaye was estranged from his wife, Anna Gordy, sister of Motown impresario Berry Gordy. Motown was Gaye’s record label, and both Gordys had played an outsized role in Gaye’s career. The divorce from Anna, with whom he had a son, would get ugly in the years to come.
Mutually enamored, Gaye brought Hunter to an Italian restaurant in Hollywood, where he bribed the waiter $20 to bring his underage date apricot sours.
Soon after, they made love for the first time in Gaye’s sparse one-bedroom apartment, which had a “hideous gold couch” where Gaye’s assistant, a junkie named Abe, had taken up residence.
But any surprise at his living conditions was quickly overshadowed.
“The explosive power of our sexual union was incredible,” she writes. “We made love at every opportunity, night and day. We knew every inch of each other’s bodies. We never used birth control. It was clear that Marvin wanted me pregnant — and I did nothing to prevent that.”
Soon, Hunter began to see how Gaye thrived on the emotional turmoil of those around him and learned the depth of his jealousy and possessiveness.
He tried to convince her to quit school so they could spend their days together and offered to be her educator instead.
“I can teach you everything you need to know,” he said. “I’ll be a far more loving and patient teacher than whomever the school provides.”
Being together, though, was not his only motive.
“I don’t want to share you,” he said. “There are all those strapping young high-school football players looking to love on you. They’re my competitors.”

One day, he picked her up from school and said he needed to make a stop. He was taking her to pick up his son — at Gordy’s house.
He went inside to get the boy, and Hunter, frightened, waited in the car. Anna Gordy came outside to see the pretty young girl her husband was ditching her for.
“Anna was scary,” Hunter writes. “Her eyes burned with anger. Her eyes focused on me.”
Gordy “ordered” Hunter to roll down her window. She opened it just an inch.
“I just want to see what someone like you looks like,” Gordy told her, before turning to address Gaye. “Now that I’ve seen it,” she told him, “don’t ever bring it back here again.”

Hunter found herself pregnant soon after and noticed a troubling tendency in Gaye. Expressing his joy at the news, he told her, “A son. We will have a son.” Anytime they discussed their child, Gaye referred to him as a boy, and expressed a preference for such. When she mentioned the possibility of a daughter, he said, with a forced smile, “We’ll see.”
Hunter suffered a miscarriage, and Gaye consoled her by telling her, “God gives and God takes away. We praise him for his goodness and trust that next time he will bless us with a healthy boy.”
Their first child was born in September 1974 — a girl named Nona. Hunter’s first words to Gaye upon his seeing the child were, “I’m sorry.”
Gaye complimented Nona’s beauty and compared it to Hunter’s, but Hunter saw the disappointment in his eyes. Instead of joy at the birth of her first child, she spent days in tears, upset that she had disappointed the man she loved.
But if Gaye grew quickly accepting of his daughter, his attitude toward Hunter — specifically her new, just-gave-birth body — changed.
Appraising her stretch marks, he said, “Surely there is a way to rid yourself of those things.”

The couple did have a son, Frankie, a little over a year later. Gaye got over his body hangups (for a while), and they settled into family life, spending their days high on coke and pot as Gaye wrote and produced new music.
George Clinton and Bernie Worrell would often drop by to shoot hoops and drop acid with Gaye. The couple were invited to watch Ike Turner in the studio, where he “carried around his coke supply in a suitcase.”
They also partied with Richard Pryor, who invited them one night “to watch bikini-clad dancers having sex with each other.”
“The evening was uncomfortable for me, but I went along with the program,” writes Hunter.
Another night at Pryor’s, the comedian “got so coked up that he hit his wife over the head with a wine bottle and called everyone at the table ‘a f—in’ whore’ except me. Marvin laughed and said I should be flattered.”
Mick Jagger and Jerry Hall invited them to Studio 54, and after meeting Ryan O’Neal at a popular LA eatery, Hunter was dismayed to find the “Love Story” actor, who was standing behind her, making an awkward and unwanted connection.
“He made his move with great subtlety, but there was no mistaking the feel of his penis against my neck,” she writes. “As he spoke with Marvin, he kept pressing ever so slightly. I didn’t know what to do or say. So I did nothing.”
She didn’t tell Gaye for fear of starting a fight, but in time, she learned the effect may have been opposite. Gaye developed a habit of steering Hunter toward other men, whether out of some perverse masochism or genuine delight.
Noting a chemistry between Hunter and Maze singer Frankie Beverly, Gaye did everything he could to set up an illicit liaison between the two. When Beverly came for a visit, Gaye not only booked him a room at a local motel but booked the adjoining room for Hunter, saying he needed her out of the house so he could focus on music.
As Hunter and Beverly smoked a joint in Hunter’s hotel room, well aware of the awkwardness, there was a loud bang at the door. It was Gaye, seemingly hoping to catch them in the act. Beverly crawled back to his room on his hands and knees, and Gaye found Hunter alone.

After a long, ugly and expensive legal battle, Gaye was finally divorced from Anna Gordy, and married Hunter — now Jan Gaye — in October 1977. Soon after, he was once again telling her that he loved her but was not in love with her. Jan came to wonder if Gaye saw any commitment as “a prison.”
Gaye — now almost 40 — complained to his 22-year-old wife about her sagging breasts and her stretch marks, explaining, “There’s a big difference between pleasure and excitement. As a man, I can’t help but seek excitement.”
“I was barely 22,” she writes, “yet was convinced that I had lost my youth forever.”
They had vicious fights, including one time when Gaye, behind the wheel with both kids in the car, began to swerve and threatened to “drive this thing off the road!”
Soon after, Gaye left Jan and the kids behind on a planned trip to Hawaii with his family, beginning a pattern that would repeat over the years of Gaye leaving LA and his family behind, only to implore them to join him once at his destination.
In time, torn by Gaye’s cruel treatment, Jan slept with Beverly and also hooked up with Teddy Pendergrass, Gaye’s main musical rival.
Gaye’s jealousy turned violent. One day, high on a blend of psychedelic mushrooms and cocaine, he started to talk about Jan’s betrayals and became “enraged.”
“He took a kitchen knife and put it to my throat,” she writes. “I was petrified, paralyzed. I thought it was all over.”
Gaye told her, “I’ve loved you too much. This love is killing me. I beg you to provoke me. Provoke me right now so I can take us both out of our misery.”
Gaye’s rage subsided before he could do physical harm, but for Jan, this was the final straw. She took the kids and fled.

The next five years saw Gaye, Jan and their children embroiled in nasty back-and-forth battles, including, after Jan brought the kids to see Gaye in Hawaii, his refusing to let Frankie leave, causing Jan to not see her son for over a year.
Gaye, out of his mind on cocaine, would tell Jan that the “end days” were approaching or accuse her of sending her father or gang members to try to kill him.
Financially broken from battles with Anna and the IRS, he wound up living with his young son in “an abandoned Helms Bakery truck.”
Jan, now working odd jobs and couch-hopping with her daughter, filed for divorce in 1982. Gaye, destitute, paid no child support.
Gaye was shot to death in a brutal fight with his father on April 1, 1984.
Jan writes that it took her years to forgive herself for her own role in the insanity her life had become, but in time she learned to feel “more deeply for Marvin than ever before.”
“That I lost myself in someone else — someone as remarkable as Marvin Gaye — is no longer cause for self-condemnation."

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...this day has come. :-/ ...time to face it.
May 07th 2015
1
=(
May 07th 2015
2
Reads like what he coulda said to his pops
May 07th 2015
14
right? this ni&&a was on some black shakespeare shit?
May 07th 2015
28
Berry Gordy's Othello
May 10th 2015
116
A LOT of those lines don't feel natural to me.
May 07th 2015
41
      #blerdlines
May 10th 2015
117
You were once my angel. But now you have fallen.
May 07th 2015
3
I donno man. That shit sounds like movie lines, not real life
May 07th 2015
38
sounds like song lyrics
May 07th 2015
63
The man *did* have a song called...
May 07th 2015
93
my mouth was agape the whole time reading this! sheesh
May 07th 2015
Shoulda read that jount Building Block Posted in the lesson
May 07th 2015
74
what's the point here? he's been gone 30 years now
May 07th 2015
4
It may be healing for her, the living shouldn't have to keep suffering
May 07th 2015
13
if by healing you mean a quick payday, sure
May 07th 2015
17
      o wow
May 07th 2015
23
      both are more than deserved.
May 07th 2015
34
           Nona bout to get paid off allat.
May 10th 2015
118
so?
May 07th 2015
so?
May 07th 2015
59
Wow, I knew some of this but man
May 07th 2015
5
yep
May 07th 2015
37
Who do you know on all them drugs who ain't an "awful person" or making
May 10th 2015
110
It's so easy to disparage people when they can't defend themselves.
May 07th 2015
6
bruh. there's a thing called public record.
May 07th 2015
7
See post #4
May 07th 2015
9
      ... he's seen it. He wrote it.
May 07th 2015
12
      we made 2 different points
May 07th 2015
16
           You claim public record, which I have not seen - Pubic Record.
May 07th 2015
19
           there's nothing to defend
May 07th 2015
22
                There's no real proof. That's what I'm saying.
May 07th 2015
85
                     There's more proof of Marvin Gaye's illness than Jesus walking on water
May 07th 2015
98
           it's her LIFE and her story to tell
May 07th 2015
30
                it has nothing to do with him being a celebrity*
May 07th 2015
36
                that's nice.
May 07th 2015
42
                What Damali said.
May 08th 2015
108
he was fucking a 17 yr old girl
May 07th 2015
79
      Oh. That proves it all. Ok.
May 07th 2015
86
      that proves it was a fucked up abusive relationship PERIOD...
May 07th 2015
88
      he even made a damn song about!
May 07th 2015
97
      You're trying to reason with a guy who disparaged a dead MJ
May 07th 2015
92
           MJ had a Public Paper Trail and many Payouts
May 07th 2015
94
                Where's your proof of these "many" payouts?
May 07th 2015
95
damn, why she have to taint the GOAT Frankie Bev doe???
May 07th 2015
8
I was reading like "Don't do it, Frankie... don't!"
May 07th 2015
15
IKR n/m
May 07th 2015
20
Wait.....*thinks about Before I let go lyrics* PLOT TWIST
May 07th 2015
40
      fam..I will NOT let you ruin the cookout national anthem for me...i will...
May 07th 2015
43
           She two stepped outta Frankie's life just to go back to Marvin
May 07th 2015
47
Yeah he was awful but I hate the passiveness of accounts like this.
May 07th 2015
10
I agree. I've always found that type of stuff bothersome
May 07th 2015
56
She was 17.
May 08th 2015
103
Yeah, she's able to paint herself in the most positive light.
May 10th 2015
111
Ritz double dipping
May 07th 2015
11
if he was so bad then she should reject that 'Blurred Lines' money.
May 07th 2015
18
!!! They divorced, she prob not getting it. And what does this matter?
May 07th 2015
21
Do you don your cape for 'The R' doe?
May 07th 2015
25
LOL
May 07th 2015
26
Wow
May 07th 2015
24
*bows*
May 07th 2015
27
actually that's more reason for her to take it...reparations for his BS ...
May 07th 2015
32
      it's dirty money.
May 07th 2015
33
           lol nope. it's repayment of a karmic debt.
May 07th 2015
35
           'dirty' in that it's tainted.
May 07th 2015
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                RE: 'dirty' in that it's tainted.
May 07th 2015
44
                     word.
May 07th 2015
48
           that money is whatever she chooses to make it if she gets it
May 07th 2015
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                oh okay.
May 07th 2015
68
                     I know that you know that i know that you knew that ;oP
May 07th 2015
71
This stuff is alluded to in Dyson's book
May 07th 2015
29
That book was terrible, like most other things Dyson writes.
May 07th 2015
50
RE: Yes, it was and still he talked about
May 07th 2015
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      Damn, guess I didn't make it that far.
May 07th 2015
78
that creative genius gene many times is a package deal...
May 07th 2015
64
dayum, fuck him
May 07th 2015
31
But....
May 07th 2015
45
      Laugh.out.loud
May 07th 2015
58
      Yikes.
May 07th 2015
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      http://cdn.meme.am/instances/56182644.jpg
May 07th 2015
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      ^this is why i love OKP
May 07th 2015
65
      on the same damn day, tho? we need a grace period or some
May 08th 2015
102
      oh just dammit... lol!
May 07th 2015
77
      no, not taken that far
May 07th 2015
82
      !!!
May 07th 2015
91
would Marvin have even approved of "Silky Soul Singer"?
May 07th 2015
46
Gaye put Beverly on.
May 07th 2015
49
he on that Bobby Womack
May 07th 2015
55
So much cocaine
May 07th 2015
51
yall will defend anything
May 07th 2015
52
Dayum - this some shyt here...
May 07th 2015
53
Yep
May 07th 2015
69
To me...
May 10th 2015
112
thought marvins drugsex crazy later period was well known?
May 07th 2015
54
her story to tell...
May 07th 2015
57
Cocaine creates psychosis.
May 07th 2015
67
wrong please stop talking about things
May 07th 2015
73
      a simple google search could have saved you
May 07th 2015
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           lol
May 07th 2015
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                Psychosis, including hallucinations and delusions, has frequently been r...
May 08th 2015
101
                     That's what I thought. Sit your ass down astralblak.
May 10th 2015
115
an abused drug addict marries an underaged drug addict
May 07th 2015
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LOL!!
May 07th 2015
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:)
May 07th 2015
75
exactly.
May 07th 2015
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RE: an abused drug addict marries an underaged drug addict
May 07th 2015
80
well nothing surprises or shocks the well worn lives of all knowing okps
May 07th 2015
83
Marvin was a cuckboy? =/ This hurts to read.
May 07th 2015
81
and a cross dresser and possibly liked to play both sides
May 07th 2015
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      That's his daddy, not Marvin.
May 07th 2015
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           RE: That's his daddy, not Marvin.
May 08th 2015
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                uh huh.
May 08th 2015
104
                     again nah, Dyson alludes to it a lot in his terrible book
May 10th 2015
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                          Uh huh.
May 10th 2015
114
nothing new if you know the story
May 07th 2015
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yah.
May 07th 2015
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      That last year was ROUGH
May 08th 2015
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4 the shocked ones...yall never heard Masochistic Beauty?
May 08th 2015
106
this isn't really news, just detail.
May 08th 2015
107
nothing new she is just the married version of pamela Barnes
May 10th 2015
109

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1. "...this day has come. :-/ ...time to face it."
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2. "=("
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the writing is a bit awkward though

“I’ve loved you too much. This love is killing me. I beg you to provoke me. Provoke me right now so I can take us both out of our misery.”

i want to know more and i don't
like did marvin really talk like this?

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28. "right? this ni&&a was on some black shakespeare shit? "
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but on the other hand, maybe he did talk like that.

i got no point of comparison.

most of the quotes are from marvin (allegedly). if the other people's voices are 'regular' in the book, that'd be more convincing that he was on some ain't that peculiar shit.


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116. "Berry Gordy's Othello"
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117. "#blerdlines"
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3. "You were once my angel. But now you have fallen. "
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"And yes, I do admit, it is exciting to watch you fall.”

That's some fucked up shit!

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38. "I donno man. That shit sounds like movie lines, not real life"
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I just can't picture that coming in regular convo. Or maybe I just don't know any Marvin type dudes.

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63. "sounds like song lyrics"
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>I just can't picture that coming in regular convo. Or maybe I
>just don't know any Marvin type dudes.

  

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93. "The man *did* have a song called..."
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"Come Live With Me Angel" so that's not too far fetched.


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"my mouth was agape the whole time reading this! sheesh"


  

          

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74. "Shoulda read that jount Building Block Posted in the lesson "
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4/5 years ago. I was mortified, young!!

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4. "what's the point here? he's been gone 30 years now"
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13. "It may be healing for her, the living shouldn't have to keep suffering "
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The wrongs of the dead

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17. "if by healing you mean a quick payday, sure "
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23. "o wow "
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stand ur ground, believe in urself,
believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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34. "both are more than deserved."
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Thu May-07-15 10:48 AM by Damali

          

if the pain he caused her can somehow karmic-ly be repaid by high book sales, then I say more power to her

i'd READILY accept any amount of income as payment for the years of abuse I suffered at the hands of my father. that shit can't be erased so hell yeah WHERE IS MY FUCKING CHECK.

sheeeit

y'all fuckers ain't been through that shit and have NO IDEA what it's like.

i hope she makes MILLIONS.

d

  

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118. "Nona bout to get paid off allat."
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Da bayball, babeh. (c) Charlie Kelly.

  

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"so? "


  

          

  

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59. "so? "
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5. "Wow, I knew some of this but man"
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I feel like "Cocaine's a helluva drug." is needed here.

Just amazing he did all this and then made Hear My Dear on some "why did you leave me and take all my cash." tip. Sounds like he was pretty damn awful during those years.

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37. "yep"
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>I feel like "Cocaine's a helluva drug." is needed here.
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it's true what they say...people are strange, when you're strangers.

not compassionate....only polite.

I am not like you at all and i cannot pretend.

  

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110. "Who do you know on all them drugs who ain't an "awful person" or making"
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life miserable for those who care about them? lol

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6. "It's so easy to disparage people when they can't defend themselves. "
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7. "bruh. there's a thing called public record."
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none of this is alleged

  

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9. "See post #4"
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12. "... he's seen it. He wrote it."
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My movies: http://russellhainline.com
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16. "we made 2 different points"
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me: it's in poor taste, let sleeping dogs lie

you: it's easy to disparage people when they cant defend themselves. gotta hear both sides

  

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19. "You claim public record, which I have not seen - Pubic Record."
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>me: it's in poor taste, let sleeping dogs lie
>
>you: it's easy to disparage people when they cant defend
>themselves. gotta hear both sides


I'm just saying it's easy to come out and say things that can't be defended when the person is dead and gone.


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22. "there's nothing to defend"
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Marvin Gaye was on drugs and arguably mentally ill

Richard Pryor and Teddy Pendergrass arent alive, do you need George Clinton and Frankie Beverly to corroborate this woman's stories?

  

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85. "There's no real proof. That's what I'm saying."
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But hey, that doesn't matter to some people.


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98. "There's more proof of Marvin Gaye's illness than Jesus walking on water"
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30. "it's her LIFE and her story to tell"
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anything that she personally experienced, she has a RIGHT to talk about whenever she wants to. there is NOTHING in poor taste about anyone owning and telling their own life story.

the only reason anybody has a problem with it is because he was famous and his music is beloved. i swear mofos worship celebrities way too fucking much

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36. "it has nothing to do with him being a celebrity*"
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*she wouldnt have had a book deal if he wasn't a celebrity, but him being a celebrity isnt what makes this petty to me

I believe in a statute of limitations on dragging someone else's name through the mud (especially for profit). 30 years after they've passed greatly exceeds my personal limit

she has the right to get paid to tell her story, the same way I have the right to feel it's tacky

  

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42. "that's nice."
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108. "What Damali said. "
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>anything that she personally experienced, she has a RIGHT to
>talk about whenever she wants to. there is NOTHING in poor
>taste about anyone owning and telling their own life story.
>
>the only reason anybody has a problem with it is because he
>was famous and his music is beloved. i swear mofos worship
>celebrities way too fucking much
>
>d


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79. "he was fucking a 17 yr old girl"
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what else needs to be said?

  

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86. "Oh. That proves it all. Ok."
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88. "that proves it was a fucked up abusive relationship PERIOD..."
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even if everything she said was a lie.

he left his wife and kids for a 17 year old girl. in what world is that okay?

  

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97. "he even made a damn song about!"
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i bet you still rock with r. kelly too
smh

  

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92. "You're trying to reason with a guy who disparaged a dead MJ"
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But wants to look down on the practice of disparaging the dead in this post.

You can't come at him with principle and expect him to understand.

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=18&topic_id=147733&mesg_id=147733&listing_type=search

"The Truth Behind Hip-hop V - Michael Jackson I & II (Satanic Worship)"

Tue Sep-13-11 10:40 PM by Case_One


G. Craige Lewis breaks down Michael Jackson's satanic worship in such a way that many people might go and toss out every Michael Jackson record, tape, CD, and delete every MP3 file, etc,.

Seriously Folks, I'm sure that some will have jokes, but take it serious, the truth is being told and it will at least make you consider what's presented as being illegitimate.


The Truth Behind Hip-hop V - Michael Jackson I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1H29NooPQo&feature=related


The Truth Behind Hip-hop V - Michael Jackson 2 (this is the Home Run video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsfZfeNTzNg&feature=related


Just IMO though.

  

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94. "MJ had a Public Paper Trail and many Payouts "
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But you can go on D. Jr. It's what you do.

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95. "Where's your proof of these "many" payouts?"
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>But you can go on D. Jr. It's what you do.
>

Bill Cosby got an undisclosed payout too.

Bill Cosby got a paper trail too.

and GirlChild's point still stands.

The truth might be the devil to you, but as usual, the proof is in your own hypocrisy:

So, you go into hypocrisy, which is easily proven:

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_mesg&forum=4&topic_id=12772617&mesg_id=12772874&page=

"Name calling when all else fails."

It's very true of you.

Just IMO though.

  

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8. "damn, why she have to taint the GOAT Frankie Bev doe??? "
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"Seasons may come and your luck just may run out, and all that you'll have is some memories..."

  

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15. "I was reading like "Don't do it, Frankie... don't!""
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:-(

  

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20. "IKR n/m"
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40. "Wait.....*thinks about Before I let go lyrics* PLOT TWIST"
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43. "fam..I will NOT let you ruin the cookout national anthem for me...i will..."
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NOT!!

  

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47. "She two stepped outta Frankie's life just to go back to Marvin"
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It's already the happiest break up song in the world. Maybe Frankie loved her but just knew she had too much baggage, so he wasn't really trippin. But he had to hit it just one mo time, just to make sure he was right.

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10. "Yeah he was awful but I hate the passiveness of accounts like this."
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Like there is only one passing passive voice mentioning of the fact that she was using as well "and they settled into family life, spending their days high on coke..."

Years later with him dead it's easy to paint him as this evil tormentor of this innocent angel but the truth is probably more gray and she was right there with him getting high, participating in all sorts of debauchery.

I am sure this opinion will get me labeled as an abuser apologist but, yeah whatever.


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56. "I agree. I've always found that type of stuff bothersome"
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>Like there is only one passing passive voice mentioning of
>the fact that she was using as well "and they settled into
>family life, spending their days high on coke..."
>
>Years later with him dead it's easy to paint him as this evil
>tormentor of this innocent angel but the truth is probably
>more gray and she was right there with him getting high,
>participating in all sorts of debauchery.
>
>I am sure this opinion will get me labeled as an abuser
>apologist but, yeah whatever.

  

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103. "She was 17."
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The persuasiveness of a rich, world famous, GROWN MAN to a 17 year old girl cannot be understated here.

Yes, she 'chose' to be there.

So did the kids drinking Jesus Juice.

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111. "Yeah, she's able to paint herself in the most positive light."
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I'm not mad at her telling her story, but for some reason, the story about her and
Frankie B. not fucking that first night in the hotel seems fishy to me... not that I necessarily
think she's lying, but it would just be easy to lie and say "Oh, I never fucked anybody
else until I got completely fed up with all he was doing to me" you know?

Could be true, could be lies, but it's all just a story to me.

This is why all this "healing" that everyone's talking about is something that you get
from talking to someone you trust... I mean unless Marvin was publicly disparaging her
when he was alive.


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11. "Ritz double dipping"
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He wrote that other Marvin Gaye book - Divided Soul


http://www.amazon.com/Divided-Soul-Life-Marvin-Gaye/dp/030681191X

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18. "if he was so bad then she should reject that 'Blurred Lines' money."
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fuck you.

  

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21. "!!! They divorced, she prob not getting it. And what does this matter?"
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The plea coppage in this post is disgusting.

Marvin had well-documented issues. She was a minor.

You can enjoy his music without defending his personal life.

  

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25. "Do you don your cape for 'The R' doe?"
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26. "LOL"
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>The plea coppage in this post is disgusting.
>
>Marvin had well-documented issues. She was a minor.

she was 17 when they met. which means that w/in a year of their coupling she was an adult. and she stayed. and had 2 kids w/him. and did copious amounts of drugs w/him. and made love w/him at every available opportunity. and cheated on him.

>You can enjoy his music without defending his personal life.

agreed. and i don't.

fuck you.

  

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24. "Wow "
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prototype

stand ur ground, believe in urself,
believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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27. "*bows*"
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fuck you.

  

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32. "actually that's more reason for her to take it...reparations for his BS ..."
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33. "it's dirty money."
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it's a reminder of the horror.

fuck you.

  

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35. "lol nope. it's repayment of a karmic debt."
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of course you're allowed to disagree but that's how i see it.

never mind the fact that that's a gross misuse of the term dirty money..i always understood that to mean money gotten from illegal means.

her book is legal

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39. "'dirty' in that it's tainted."
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tainted b/c it's a reminder of the horrors Marvin inflicted on her. especially considering she actually appears on 'GTGIU' as a background singer. surely that recording session was fraught w/misery. i'd want nothing to do w/that record or any of his records. or the money generated by those records.

fuck you.

  

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44. "RE: 'dirty' in that it's tainted."
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>tainted b/c it's a reminder of the horrors Marvin inflicted
>on her. especially considering she actually appears on
>'GTGIU' as a background singer. surely that recording session
>was fraught w/misery. i'd want nothing to do w/that record or
>any of his records. or the money generated by those records.

that point of view is valid and obviously one that would be your right to make regarding your own life experiences.

i personally would welcome the money because the memories are going to be there anyway. i don't see one as being meant to supplant the other. the memories and the money can coexist.

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48. "word."
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fuck you.

  

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66. "that money is whatever she chooses to make it if she gets it"
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here for dis.

  

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68. "oh okay."
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i didn't know that.

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71. "I know that you know that i know that you knew that ;oP"
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here for dis.

  

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29. "This stuff is alluded to in Dyson's book"
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Marvin was prob mentally ill and the drugs pushed him deeper into those negative regions

many great artist are awful people

  

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50. "That book was terrible, like most other things Dyson writes."
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I stopped once he started talking about 2pac. Returned it to the library and immediately placed an order for Divided Soul.

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60. "RE: Yes, it was and still he talked about "
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Gaye's strange and violent shit as it related to sex and drugs

  

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78. "Damn, guess I didn't make it that far."
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Bowls
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64. "that creative genius gene many times is a package deal..."
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lotta other shit comes with it

>Marvin was prob mentally ill and the drugs pushed him deeper
>into those negative regions
>
>many great artist are awful people

  

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31. "dayum, fuck him"
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the colors were NEVER accurate!
my music:
www.soundclick.com/sylana
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Brb8g8f18xE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NgNuVHrEKI

  

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45. "But...."
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If y'all had a lease together, would you have stayed?

  

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58. "Laugh.out.loud"
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61. "Yikes."
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62. "http://cdn.meme.am/instances/56182644.jpg"
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http://cdn.meme.am/instances/56182644.jpg

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65. "^this is why i love OKP"
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when sh*t you say...comes back to haunt you.

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102. "on the same damn day, tho? we need a grace period or some"
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shit.


peace & blessings,

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77. "oh just dammit... lol!"
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=============================
-sans sig

  

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82. "no, not taken that far"
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the colors were NEVER accurate!
my music:
www.soundclick.com/sylana
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Brb8g8f18xE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NgNuVHrEKI

  

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91. "!!!"
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______________________________
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46. "would Marvin have even approved of "Silky Soul Singer"?"
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this is almost like 2Pac being on We'll Always Love Big Poppa

  

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49. "Gaye put Beverly on."
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Maze started out as an opening act in Marvin's shows.

as far as i know there was no beef between them - Marvin seemed to WANT Frankie and Jan to bone. he set it up.

indeed, Marvin's interest in cuckolding is pretty well known. Marvin even seemed to sing about it in 'All the Way Around' from the 1976 I Want You album which was all about Jan.

http://www.metrolyrics.com/all-the-way-round-lyrics-marvin-gaye.html

Do you wanna do it lets it get it on?
But how you gonna act this time around?
Before I take it off down to the skin
Lets get an understanding
Girl you didn't understand my philosophy
You did not understand
You just ran away from me

Oh I missed you baby
Ooh I missed you baby, I miss you
You're the best I ever had
You're so bad baby
But I must like you like that
Although you won't let me control this or that
Constantly playin' this tit for tat

Ah now I see you're comin' straight to the point
You say the more you get baby
Ah the more you want me
Yeah darlin' you're not wastin' my time
What I see baby is so hard to find

Although you've been all over town baby
Havin' your affairs I still have to accept you back
Angel though you're promiscuous
I don't mind a bit 'cause you're still the greatest lay
Even when you're miles away

Girl if you run away again
Surely my heart would never mend
Don't tell me the love we made
Was just for old time's sake
Stayin' up waitin' for you to come home at night
Was just so hard to take
She said that pain might never mend
So let's be sometime lovers and
Oh baby that's when my poor heart broke up

So if you got a girl and you want her for your wife
You got to treat her good and love her all your life
Well if you got a girl and you want her for your wife
You got to treat her good and love her all your life
If you got a girl and you want her for your wife
You got to treat her good and love her all your life
If you got a girl and you want her for your wife
You got to treat her good and love her all your life
Well if you got a girl and you want her for your wife
You got to treat her good and love her all your life

fuck you.

  

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55. "he on that Bobby Womack"
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involved in all kinda *questionable* (at best) behavior during and after (his wife AND his daughter? yeesh)

then when sam cooke died womack must have made like 10 "tribute songs"

very much one of those "who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men" deals

*shrug*

  

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51. "So much cocaine"
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I'm picturing everyone in the 70s keeping a briefcase full of snow white with them at all times

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52. "yall will defend anything"
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****************
TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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53. "Dayum - this some shyt here..."
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- alot of these artist from this time - the greats had stories like this...

- I wonder to what exent artist today go through this shyt? I think for the most part due to the times and folks learning lessons from these stories artist these days are mad chill.....this type of shyt seemed like the norm for artists back then....Miles Davis, Rick James, David Ruffin....yo Frankie Beverly was turnin up like that too??? damn...

Like as bad as cats hate on a Kanye....I can't see him doin anything on this level....or Beyonce and Jay....cats is sesame street these days compared to then...

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69. "Yep"
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Today we go hard on these dudes who like the young girls, referring to them as pedophiles. Back in the 70's they were given harmless descriptors like 'cads ands scoundrels'.

Superstar actors/musicians getting it on with 14-17 year old girls, wasn't completely uncommon.

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112. "To me..."
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the lesson is that WE DON'T KNOW.

I assume there's all sorts of stuff going on with rich, wealthy, and/or famous folks. I'm confident in the belief because regular dudes with regular jobs have some crazy situations/skeletons. Money expands options for bad decisions, crazy fantasies coming true, etc, etc. I refuse to believe that folks aren't taking chances out there..swinging, drugs, and whatever else they get into.

To address the Marvin stuff..yeah, I got heavy into Marvin 15-ish years ago, read the books, watched some docs, and all of that. A lot of the details sank my battleship (the cuck, the cradle stuff with Jan and others, the coke, the last year in the robe being taken off of the freeway, the soft attempts at suicide before he finally 'found a way', etc), but it doesn't change the love I have for his music. I Want You is still the most blown away I've ever been listening to an album for the first time. To me, In Our Lifetime? and Marvin's 70s work is the template for the 'cry for help' music that is all over the place now (looks to Drake). Well that album and blues music as a whole. I just love that the album was supposed to be a dancefloor funkathon follow-up to Got to Give it Up and Marvin just couldn't do it..he had to confess, worry, and still act like the world was falling more than he was..all on record.

It just stopped me in my tracks as it relates to idolizing stars as a whole because of the talent that brought them into my life. And honestly, I'm soooo much better off for it. I enjoy stuff so much more and I appreciate the people THAT I KNOW who are good people.

Jimaveli

>
> - alot of these artist from this time - the greats had
>stories like this...
>
> - I wonder to what exent artist today go through this shyt? I
>think for the most part due to the times and folks learning
>lessons from these stories artist these days are mad
>chill.....this type of shyt seemed like the norm for artists
>back then....Miles Davis, Rick James, David Ruffin....yo
>Frankie Beverly was turnin up like that too??? damn...
>
>Like as bad as cats hate on a Kanye....I can't see him doin
>anything on this level....or Beyonce and Jay....cats is sesame
>street these days compared to then...

  

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54. "thought marvins drugsex crazy later period was well known?"
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Wanting to watch other ppl have sex with
with his girlfriends and all that
Doing coke all day &tryna box & join the nfl



back when the pitchforks came for r Kelly and mad bones came flying out of all the greats' closets



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57. "her story to tell..."
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and a cautionary tale if ever i've heard one.

  

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67. "Cocaine creates psychosis. "
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If you have ever been high on cocaine, you know that it leads you to do things you would never consider while sober. Part of intoxication is losing yourself, so I am not surprised that people experienced all sorts of bizarre and twisted things as a result of the abuse.

~Experience is the currency of the soul.

  

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73. "wrong please stop talking about things"
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89. "a simple google search could have saved you "
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from looking like an asshat.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC181074/

Paranoia and Psychosis

Paranoia and suspiciousness are often initial symptoms of psychosis. Paranoia occurs in 68% to 84% of patients using cocaine.5,6 Cocaine-induced paranoia can be transient, lasting a few hours5 or as long as days or weeks.7 Prior exposure to cocaine has been clinically correlated with suspiciousness, a precursor to paranoia.8 Patients with ongoing, chronic psychiatric disorders and who use cocaine will have more frequent hospitalizations, often related to cocaine-induced paranoia and depression.9,10 Intensity and rapidity of onset of paranoia have been related to a state of “sensitization,” in which symptoms increase over time with continued use.11

Psychosis, including hallucinations and delusions, has frequently been reported in cocaine users (from 29%6 to 53%12 of users). These psychotic symptoms may be related to an imbalance of dopamine. Psychosis appears to be more common with the use of crack compared with other routes, such as intravenous and intranasal use.13

~Experience is the currency of the soul.

  

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96. "lol"
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Stop trying to cherry pick and decontextualize data or the study.

You could've easily googled and picked a study that shows coke is relatively harmless

And trust the psychosis and paranoia associated with coke in terms of studies or experience is usually associated to use with other drugs and mental illness beyond the drug

You are the most dramatic asinine poster on these boards when it comes to drugs. You typically sound like a psych 101 teacher who is a recovering addict so he criminalizes and pathologizes all drug use and users

Go back to posting about 900yr old humans.

  

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101. "Psychosis, including hallucinations and delusions, has frequently been r..."
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Psychosis, including hallucinations and delusions, has frequently been reported in cocaine users (from 29%6 to 53%12 of users).

~Experience is the currency of the soul.

  

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initiationofplato
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115. "That's what I thought. Sit your ass down astralblak."
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*Crickets*

~Experience is the currency of the soul.

  

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70. "an abused drug addict marries an underaged drug addict"
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Hangs out with really really rich drug addicts and crazy shit happens.

I, for one, am shocked

  

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72. "LOL!!"
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totally.

fuck you.

  

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75. ":)"
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76. "exactly."
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---------------------------------------
it's true what they say...people are strange, when you're strangers.

not compassionate....only polite.

I am not like you at all and i cannot pretend.

  

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80. "RE: an abused drug addict marries an underaged drug addict"
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http://youtu.be/5o37GORoKUQ

#htpw

  

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83. "well nothing surprises or shocks the well worn lives of all knowing okps"
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So I totally get ur sarcasm dude! Totally!

prototype

stand ur ground, believe in urself,
believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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81. "Marvin was a cuckboy? =/ This hurts to read."
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Leon Ware would NEVER.

"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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87. "and a cross dresser and possibly liked to play both sides"
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per Dyson's terrible book

  

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90. "That's his daddy, not Marvin."
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fuck you.

  

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100. "RE: That's his daddy, not Marvin."
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But David Ritz, (who is the one who penned this account with Janis) somewhere said that HE fucked Marvin.


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SoWhat
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104. "uh huh."
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fuck you.

  

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astralblak
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113. "again nah, Dyson alludes to it a lot in his terrible book "
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again, his evidence seemed flimsy, but I just feel Marvin struggled with sexuality period

  

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SoWhat
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114. "Uh huh."
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'terrible book' with proof problems.

fuck you.

  

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revolution75
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84. "nothing new if you know the story "
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Frankie B, Teddy, Rick and many others
Marv turned her out and I'm glad that she's telling her story
His bio and music shows his cuck/freaky deaky side

Eclectic Soul/Sunday, 2-4 PM est/89.3 WCSB.ORG

  

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denny
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99. "yah."
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The picture that all the books and docs paint was pretty bad. I'm sure he did worse things than mentioned here. During his final days.....noone even bothered to see him. His only friends were other drug addicts who apparently made fun of him all the time. He had to move back in with his parents. And his parents complained about having his friends (the ones who made him the butt of all jokes) over too much. All while he was 40+.

Unfortunately, he was a broken shell of a person with no dignity at the end. So goes it.

  

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revolution75
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105. "That last year was ROUGH"
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I always felt like he made his dad kill him to put him out of his misery.

Eclectic Soul/Sunday, 2-4 PM est/89.3 WCSB.ORG

  

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revolution75
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106. "4 the shocked ones...yall never heard Masochistic Beauty?"
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"If you do it right...you'll get the pipe.."

http://youtu.be/ctaJBZcQHWo

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b.Touch
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107. "this isn't really news, just detail."
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109. "nothing new she is just the married version of pamela Barnes"
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she will give it up to the highest bidder and she been wanting a book out for many years.

she is a hustler and has no shame what so ever.

this is why i always seperate the music from the person because things can be crazy.

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

  

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