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"Pittsburgh doesn't suck- John Forte "


          

http://brooklynbased.com/blog/2015/04/24/move-pittsburgh/

When the borough you call home becomes known as one the most expensive places to live in America, it’s natural to look around for better alternatives. For a hot, Internet second, Buffalo—which recently made that list of cities that young college graduates are moving to—looked like a fine choice, so long as you enjoy brutal winters and more economic initiatives than jobs. But there is another metropolis the 25-34 cohort is gravitating toward that is considerably more buzzworthy, filled with James Beard Award-nominated chefs, tech startups, and the cool factor of a soon-to-open Ace Hotel. The city that holds all this promise? Pittsburgh. It claims more brainpower than Silicon Valley, based upon the number of its college-educated residents, and offers good jobs and a low cost of living for its young transplants. Think Portland, Oregon, except half the size, and with higher employment.

To find out how Pittsburgh stacks up as a second chapter for Brooklynites in search of greener pastures, I spoke to seven expats. If they all sound a little boosterish, it’s not a coincidence. Pittsburghers seem to have a hard time finding fault with their city, despite being landlocked and getting twice the amount of snow as New York City (on average). Nearly everyone I interviewed who has relocated there speaks about Steel City as if they were on the payroll of the city’s tourism board.

“For so many years, when you said Pittsburgh, the first image that popped in people’s heads was this gloomy, dreary, smog-filled city, and that’s not who we are anymore,” Alexis Tragos, 32, told me.

After working as the manager of patron services at the Whitney Museum for six years, the native Pittsburgher moved back there in 2011 with her husband, Bobby Stockard, 39, the ex-sous chef of Superfine in Dumbo. She is now working in external engagement and social responsibility at American Eagle Outfitters, which is based in the city. Stockard, meanwhile, has been cooking in the kitchens of some of Pittsburgh’s most popular restaurants, from Dinette to Legume, to currently a barbecue taqueria called Smoke, all while planning the launch of his own café and market.

“These restaurants are doing really amazing, creative, locally based work,” said Stockard. “It’s nice to be able to come to Pittsburgh and immerse myself in a community of cooks and chefs who care as much about food as the coastal chefs I’d known working in Brooklyn.”

Lowering their overhead has been another perk. “When we moved to Pittsburgh we got a row house that had three floors and a manicured backyard and a washer and dryer for $1200,” he said--six hundred less than he was paying for his one-bedroom in Vinegar Hill. The difference is a little more than what you’d expect given Pittsburgh's cost of living index, which is just over half of Brooklyn’s--96.1 versus 169.3 (100 being the mean). When I asked two human resources professionals to weigh in on the reality of that figure, both concurred that the cost of living was more like 45% less than in New York, and that income calculators like Salary.com were pretty spot on in terms of predicting what you’d earn, and how far it would go. Tragos agreed. "The low cost of living here,” she said, “makes it feel like you're taking home $10,000 to $20,000 more."

Now they are rehabbing a three-bedroom, for which they paid—wait for it—$65,000, in a neighborhood called Troy Hill. It's where they also plan to open up their cafe and market this fall, another venture that seems easier to pull off in Pittsburgh. Said Tragos, “While every city has its own bureaucratic red tape, in Pittsburgh I feel like you can actually get to know your building and health inspectors—because they're just as committed to seeing the city flourish. Whereas in Brooklyn, you'd be just another ticket waiting to be served.”

The $65,000 Troy Hill three-bedroom home Alexis Tragos and Bobby Stockard are rehabbing. The photo, Tragos notes, "doesn't show the stained glass windows, pocket doors, leaded glass door and four fireplaces." Photo: Alexis Tragos
The $65,000 Troy Hill three-bedroom home Alexis Tragos and Bobby Stockard are rehabbing. The photo, Tragos notes, "doesn't show the stained glass windows, pocket doors, leaded glass door and four fireplaces." Photo: Alexis Tragos
If you are ready to pack your bags now, wait. The couple does have some gripes about their new hometown.

“Public transportation is horrendous,” said Stockard, referring to the public bus system that provides the majority of mass transit. Given that ridership levels have been down four of the past five years, it seems Pittsburghers agree, though help in the form of a $52 million transit center, and a bike share service, slated to arrive at the end of the month, is on the way.

“You have to leave a half hour early to get where you need to be, just to be sure…You may even walk,” he said, half kidding.

After living in the 24/7 bubble of New York, Pittsburgh’s early closing hours also took some getting used to. “Things just aren’t open late,” Tragos complained. If you’re used to eating out at 8pm, or picking up your clothes after work, you may need to leave earlier, because the dry cleaner might be closed by six, and restaurants generally stop serving food by 9pm on weeknights, though that is changing.

“You just adjust your schedule,” she said. In exchange they get to enjoy a lifestyle they couldn’t have otherwise afforded. “To be able to move back and buy a house and have the potential to start a business in a couple of months, those were things we couldn’t do in Brooklyn.”

Room to Grow

This sense of opportunity and ease seems to pervade every conversation about what is happening in Pittsburgh right now.

“I feel like Pittsburgh is Brooklyn 10 to 12 years ago,” said Jeremy Waldrup, one of the few non-native Pittsburghers I spoke to. “There are still plenty of neighborhoods to buy homes, to rent storefronts and really pursue their passions, and that’s something I think is increasingly harder to do in central Brooklyn.”

Waldrup and his wife were about to have their third kid, and had already begun searching for something larger than their Brooklyn Heights apartment when a headhunter called about a job in Pittsburgh. The city had never come up as an option before, but the more research he did, the more it intrigued him.

“Pittsburgh was formed with a similar hand as New York,” said Waldrup, who once worked under Mayor Bloomberg in the Department of Small Business Services and now heads the Pittsburgh Downtown Partnership. During the steel boom, which for a spell made Pittsburgh one of the wealthiest cities in the country, “Its buildings were built by many of the same people at the same time.”

Like New York, Pittsburgh is also surrounded by rivers and bridges, and has Brooklyn’s same, neighborhoody feel. In fact there are 90 neighborhoods total--more than Brooklyn--and a few are gentrifying at a fast clip. One writer in Ebony magazine lamented the changes, even as he admitted they had made his neighborhood of East Liberty, where the Ace Hotel is opening this summer, better. The Strip District is another up-and-comer, and the neighborhood almost universally compared to Williamsburg is Lawrenceville, for its association with artists and trendy restaurants, like Cure.

“There are folks who have lived in these neighborhoods for generations, so there’s an authenticity that’s similar to Brooklyn,” said Waldrup. But as a predominantly white city, it lacks the same kind of cultural richness. “I would have to say that I miss some of the vibrancy and energy that the diversity of the ethnic neighborhoods of New York City brings,” he said, echoing a complaint nearly everyone I spoke to expressed.

Waldrup and his wife now live in a neighborhood that sounds like a made-up idyll—Friendship—in a home he said he couldn’t afford if it were in Brooklyn, given its location and five-to-six bedroom size. When I asked how it was possible not to know how many bedrooms he had, he laughed. “We don’t use them all.”

Outings with the kids—something that requires a lot of stamina in Brooklyn—have become way easier, too.

“I remember going to my first Easter egg hunt in Brooklyn and there were 350 to 400 kids, and I was like, ‘Oh my god.’” Their first family-friendly event in Pittsburgh, by comparison, felt so empty, “We were like, ‘Are we here on the wrong day?’”

How does Pittsburgh stack up against Brooklyn? We crunched the numbers. Click above to see all the stats. Infographic: Be Better Studios
How does Pittsburgh stack up against Brooklyn? We crunched the numbers. Click above to see all the stats. Infographic: Be Better Studios
New Tech City

For someone in the business of helping cities grow and develop, Waldrup has arrived at the perfect moment in Pittsburgh, where the unemployment rate, 5.3%, is lower than the national average. All the steel magnates and manufacturers who used to power the city’s economy left a lot of family foundations in their wake, from the Heinz Endownment to R.K. Mellon; today the city claims one of the largest concentration of nonprofits in the country. Pittsburgh has also risen from the steel industry’s collapse through its huge growth in health care jobs, a thriving green economy, and a booming start-up scene, all largely fueled by the city’s greatest natural resource these days--the students coming out of the city’s universities like the University of Pittsburgh and Carnegie Mellon.

“There is no shortage of talent from an engineering side,” said Ron Bianchini, a born and bred Brooklynite who used to live next to what is now Kings Plaza Mall. The Carnegie Mellon alum spent seven years at the school as a computer engineering professor before starting companies like his latest endeavor, Avere Systems, whose file storage systems are used by Hollywood filmmakers to render scenes in blockbusters like Gravity and Zero Dark Thirty.

Ron Bianchini, CEO of Avere Systems, one of the largest employers in Pittsburgh’s private-sector tech industry. Photo: Tom M. Johnson
Ron Bianchini, CEO of Avere Systems, one of the largest employers in Pittsburgh’s private-sector tech industry. Photo: Tom M. Johnson
One of the main complaints he heard from students in exit interviews was, “‘I’d like for there to be more opportunities to stay.’” Now there are fewer and fewer reasons to leave. Google, which opened a satellite office here in 2006, now employs roughly 350 “Googlers”--a demographic many credit with bringing about Pittsburgh’s second act. Apple and Intel also have small outposts here, alongside startups like Duolingo and Bianchini’s own company. “We want developers," he says. "We want programmers, but because we’re a startup, we don’t have time to train them.” Hiring local graduates means that they can “come in and contribute to the company immediately.”

There are other jobs that are harder to fill here. Bobby Fry, co-owner of Bar Marco, one of four local restaurants named as a James Beard Award semifinalist this year, and one that recently made headlines when it decided to give its entire staff a salary and forgo tipping, has discovered a shortage of cooks.

“Literally the best chefs are reaching out to chefs in other cities,” he said, trying to lure them to Pittsburgh, which Bon Appetit calls the next big food town. He estimates that a line cook in New York, who may earn around $30,000 a year, could easily make $10,000 more in Pittsburgh because of the demand for restaurant experience in a booming food scene.

Matthew Ciccone, who runs a popular co-working spot called The Beauty Shoppe, and whose small development firm, Edile, is one of the developers behind the new Ace Hotel, can recall that just three to four years ago, “One new restaurant would open and it was a big thing. Now I can’t even keep track of them...What’s happening here is exceeding my expectations,” he said, using Alexis Tragos and Bobby Stockard’s new venture in Troy Hill as a prime example. “I would have never thought it would happen there.”

The fact that Ciccone knew about this upcoming Troy Hill market, which will be called Pear and the Pickle--a nod to the area’s former pear farms and Heinz’s former pickling plant--could be chalked up to the fact that he’s a developer in the business of being tuned into market shifts. But it’s just as likely a case of news traveling fast in a small town. With a population of 305,842—one-eighth the size of Brooklyn--Pittsburgh is equal to roughly five Park Slopes. The greater metro area does boast an additional 2.4 million, but when you compare that to the 20 million people in suburbs circling New York City, the fraction remains the same.

Adam Shuck, on a leafy set of city steps in Troy Hill. Photo: Matt Barron
Adam Shuck, on a leafy set of city steps in Troy Hill. Photo: Matt Barron
A Place to Create

Without all those people, though, there is more wild space to roam. Adam Shuck, 28, who together with his partner decamped from Bushwick to Pittsburgh in 2010 in search of more time and affordable space to pursue creative projects (like his newsletter, Eat That, Read This), doesn't mind that there “may be a couple more cloudy days in the year,” or that winter can be “long and awful" (an apt description of our winters, too). What makes it all worthwhile are the summers in Pittsburgh, which he finds much more bearable than New York’s “deadening concrete heat.” The city's hilly topography yields a lot more breezy vistas, valleys, and creek hollows that are all a short bike or car ride away. “It’s really easy, wherever you are, to immerse yourself in nature,” he said.

Not living in a sea of millions has other advantages.

“One of the best things about Pittsburgh is that everything’s extremely accessible,” said Ryan Lammie, a 26-year-old artist who has created a collective for local artists in Lawrenceville called Radiant Hall, which rents affordable, rent-stabilized studio space to members for roughly $250 a month, in a setting that encourages networking and holds regular group shows.

“You go to a few events, and people start to recognize you, and it’s fairly simple to create a place in the community for yourself.” Becoming familiar with the directors of the city’s major art institutions, the Warhol Museum and the Mattress Factory, for instance, is not as out of reach as it would be in Brooklyn.

Lammie grew up in a nearby suburb called Gibsonia and returned to Pittsburgh after getting his B.F.A. from Pratt, and completing an arts residency at Yale, so he has experienced the art world outside of Pittsburgh, and recognizes that an artist would need to market their work in other cities as well in order to thrive. Still, he says, “Pittsburgh is one of the most supportive arts communities I’ve been a part of. It’s a perfect home base for artists to settle in--a place where artists can try things out, experiment and improve their work.”

The tradeoff? “It’s very easy to burn a bridge,” cautions Lammie. “It’s a smaller town where things can spread pretty quickly, and you have to be careful that you’re always professional.”

Bobby Stockard and Alexis Tragos in their new hometown. Photo: Libby Hilf Photography
Bobby Stockard and Alexis Tragos in their new hometown. Photo: Libby Hilf Photography
Where Everybody Knows Your Name

Size, it seems, is Pittsburgh’s double-edged sword. “We still need more humans,” said Matthew Ciccone. “There are not enough humans…The more people you have, the more vibrant a place can be.” He does sense things changing, though, noting that in the past, almost everyone he met who had recently arrived in Pittsburgh had actually grown up in the city or its suburbs, and had “boomeranged” back. Now he’s starting to meet more people who aren’t natives.

Bethany Tucke, a 37-year-old boomerang herself who recently moved back to Pittsburgh after a dozen years in New York, has noticed that the dating pool has grown thanks to local university grads staying in town after school, and the transplants that region’s “Eds, Meds and Tech” industries are attracting.

“I think the dating scene is picking up,” she said. “If you went to Tender--a popular cocktail bar--one night, “and threw a velcro ball around, you’d hit more people in couples or out on a date.”

And unlike the men in Brooklyn, said Tucke, “The guys in Pittsburgh are a bit more family-oriented, a bit more ready to meet somebody and not quite as into serial dating.” This is one person's generalization, but the Pew Research Center did recently rank Pittsburgh one of the top 10 cities for women looking to marry an eligible (i.e., employed) bachelor. Though Tucke thinks the options for women start to dwindle outside of the early 20s-30s sweet spot.

"Most people my age either stayed in Pittsburgh after school and are celebrating their 15-year anniversaries or have moved back after coupling up, ready to settle down to start or grow their families,” she said.

Adam Shuck, the Bushwick transplant, senses that the queer community is growing too, thanks to the new transplants, though he still sees many of the same faces at popular parties like Honcho or Hot Mass. And while he arrived in Pittsburgh already coupled up, he said, “I hear frustrations from single gay friends about the dating scene, but it doesn’t strike me as particular to Pittsburgh. Yes, it’s smaller but it doesn’t seem any different than the dating foibles I experienced in Brooklyn.”

Unless, of course, a relationship sours. Alicia Kachmar, who used to live in Brooklyn (and write for Brooklyn Based), moved back to her hometown between 2010 and 2014, and experienced what was life was like in a small city, post-break up. “If you have a boyfriend that you break up with,” she said, it’s hard to hide from him because “there’s only like three bars that your circle of friends go to... You will run into people almost every day that you know.”

This is a high point of the city as well, she said, especially during the summer, when food fairs like the Pierogi festival and the Three Rivers Arts Festival are held. The latter, coming up this June, takes place over 10 days and features acts like Neko Case, Jenny Lewis, The Felice Brothers and Milo Greene--all for free. That’s a pretty good lineup, at a very good price. As long as you're OK with bumping into someone.

  

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thinking about it after my last visit
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I think about it every time I go home to visit
Apr 25th 2015
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      and the school system in pittsburgh is garbage
Apr 25th 2015
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           live in the East End get zoned for Colfax/Alldertice, win
Apr 25th 2015
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           grew up in point breeze and went to both
Apr 25th 2015
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                Question about TJ: how hard is it to get your kids in?
Apr 25th 2015
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                     Very,very,very hard...i tutor alot of kids prepping to get in
Apr 25th 2015
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           true
Apr 25th 2015
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tl;dr... but I fuck with the burgh
Apr 25th 2015
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are you still looking to move from Pittsburgh?
Apr 25th 2015
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I never was, but there was some shitty politics at the wife's gig
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      The only thing holding my wife back from moving to the Burgh is the weat...
Apr 25th 2015
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Sounds nice but no way I am leaving NY for a place with colder weather
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that wind cuts your soul
Apr 25th 2015
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and sadly, this article below is another reason why I'm skeptical
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^^^
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JUST MOVE BACK TO NYC.
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^then there is this. If I moved to Richmond it be because it's not NYC
Apr 26th 2015
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lol, true...
Apr 26th 2015
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the NYC I want to live in no longer exists. I'm good on NYC now
Apr 26th 2015
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      uh huh. sure.
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tomjohn29
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1. "thinking about it after my last visit"
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Navem nu, cuando sol
Tutu nu, vondo nos nu
Vita em, no continous non
Nos nu ekta nos sepe ta, amen

When the sun shades the ship
We sweat and life is not safe
To swim or to touch not
When we unite we hedge amen

  

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legsdiamond
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5. "I think about it every time I go home to visit"
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but then I think about Charlotte's climate and how its still growing and wonder if its a wash. Charlotte also has more diversity.

  

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tomjohn29
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7. "and the school system in pittsburgh is garbage"
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and i dont want to do private school

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Navem nu, cuando sol
Tutu nu, vondo nos nu
Vita em, no continous non
Nos nu ekta nos sepe ta, amen

When the sun shades the ship
We sweat and life is not safe
To swim or to touch not
When we unite we hedge amen

  

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John Forte
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8. "live in the East End get zoned for Colfax/Alldertice, win"
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Colfax is a great school.

The only reason it's scores lag behind the best suburban schools is because of the percentage of poor students. It pulls from Squirrel Hill, Shadyside, Point Breeze and Homewood. The disparity between the test scores from Black and non-black kids are 100% socioeconomic.

Kids who score proficient or advanced on state standardized tests:


Reading- 73% overall, 91% of white students, 43% of Black students, 80% for "other

Math- 80% overall, 93% of white students, 55% of Black students, 90% for "other


  

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10. "grew up in point breeze and went to both"
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point still stands
i live within walking distance to a national top 10 elementary(haycock),and high school (thomas jefferson)

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Navem nu, cuando sol
Tutu nu, vondo nos nu
Vita em, no continous non
Nos nu ekta nos sepe ta, amen

When the sun shades the ship
We sweat and life is not safe
To swim or to touch not
When we unite we hedge amen

  

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John Forte
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11. "Question about TJ: how hard is it to get your kids in?"
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12. "Very,very,very hard...i tutor alot of kids prepping to get in"
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out of 10 kids i tutor...3 get in
all qualified but its a crap shoot
but the kids that dont get in usually go to the charters

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Navem nu, cuando sol
Tutu nu, vondo nos nu
Vita em, no continous non
Nos nu ekta nos sepe ta, amen

When the sun shades the ship
We sweat and life is not safe
To swim or to touch not
When we unite we hedge amen

  

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9. "true"
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2. "tl;dr... but I fuck with the burgh"
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All my dads side of the fam is there

  

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3. "are you still looking to move from Pittsburgh? "
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4. "I never was, but there was some shitty politics at the wife's gig"
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That's resolved. she won. We're staying.

  

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6. "The only thing holding my wife back from moving to the Burgh is the weat..."
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The art scene is out thing and Pittsburgh has a great arts scene.

I may throw my resume out there and see what happens.

  

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13. "Sounds nice but no way I am leaving NY for a place with colder weather"
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14. "that wind cuts your soul"
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15. "and sadly, this article below is another reason why I'm skeptical"
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http://www.pittsburghquarterly.com/index.php/Regional-Indicators/african-americans-in-pittsburgh-the-newcomer-experience.html

  

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16. "^^^"
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I wanna go to where the martyrs went
the brown figures on the walls of my apart-a-ment...

  

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17. "JUST MOVE BACK TO NYC."
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"___ doesn't suck b/c it reminds me of NYC" - ppl who feel that way should STFU and go the fuck back to NYC if they can't learn to appreciate ___ FOR WHAT IT IS and not b/c it's kinda/sorta like some thing in NYC. b/c ___ ain't NYC and will never be NYC. if one has to engage in that sort of delusion just to live then one is better off just going the fuck back to NYC. and plus the rest of us don't wanna hear that bullshit. we don't need the NYC comparison to appreciate the coolness of ___. ___ is cool b/c of what IT is, not b/c it's kinda/sorta like some thing in NYC.

yeesh.

fuck you.

  

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18. "^then there is this. If I moved to Richmond it be because it's not NYC "
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19. "lol, true... "
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20. "the NYC I want to live in no longer exists. I'm good on NYC now"
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SoWhat
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Sun Apr-26-15 05:54 PM

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21. "uh huh. sure."
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Sun Apr-26-15 05:55 PM by SoWhat

  

          

i didn't read the article b/c the set up made me too sad for the ppl involved. maybe it's not as sad as i figured.

fuck you.

  

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