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MEAT
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"Why aren't there more amazing African sprinters?"
Thu Apr-23-15 09:43 AM by MEAT

  

          

I was looking at going to the Penn Relays but without Usain Bolt, I'm passing. Justin Gatlin I'd watch and Assafa Powell too, but I'm not seeing any once in a generation runners that I'd travel/pay to see.

Meanwhile I'm looking at this list of USA vs The World and Nigeria is fielding a team but I can't think of a single sprinter I'd want to see.

And that got me to thinking about Africans in general and my limited experience with them in the athletic world (the few I ran against through high school were TRASH). On a global scale, the best long distance runners come from Kenya. But from the entire continent and different ethnicities (I don't think that's right) race? culture? I don't know ... I can't think of any great African sprinters. And let's consider sprinting in this case 800 or below.

I think Egypt has a young man that's pretty sick with the 800, but that's it. As far as the 400, I'd expect more and faster to fit the ideal body type for a quarter miler. 6'2-6'6, slim muscular build. Hell they could even knock out the 400 hurdles.

I wish I had seen Edwin Moses run. <--- not African just my favorite runner.

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Technique is the difference between good and great sprinters
Apr 23rd 2015
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Wanna shoot for next year? I'm gonna catch Usain somewhere.
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      I'm in.
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Infrastructure. FWIW Frank Fredericks (Namibia) was a beast
Apr 23rd 2015
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The lack of great/ quality Facilities is a major issue
Apr 23rd 2015
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But that's going from good to great. Fast is fast.
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they were all brought to the u.s 400yrs ago
Apr 23rd 2015
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*rimshot*
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In 2015, natural ability is not enough
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Good points. And I admittedly don't stay up on women runners.
Apr 23rd 2015
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Sounds like that good Soviet Ivan Drago training.
Apr 23rd 2015
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Coaching, also is track that popular over there?
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Culture and coaching
Apr 23rd 2015
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Bluebear
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Thu Apr-23-15 09:37 AM

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1. "Technique is the difference between good and great sprinters"
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Africa has lacked the coaching and the sprint tradition of the US and carribean nations. That said, Nigeria always has great sprinters and Ghana occasionally puts someone forward. The Kenyan 4by 400m has been competitive since the 1990's too, so there is some success.

Btw, every year i tell myself I'll check out Penn Relays and I always forget.

  

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MEAT
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3. "Wanna shoot for next year? I'm gonna catch Usain somewhere. "
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I think his last season is 2016.

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Bluebear
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Thu Apr-23-15 09:49 AM

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5. "I'm in. "
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John Forte
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Thu Apr-23-15 09:42 AM

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2. "Infrastructure. FWIW Frank Fredericks (Namibia) was a beast"
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Thu Apr-23-15 09:45 AM

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4. "The lack of great/ quality Facilities is a major issue"
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MEAT
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Thu Apr-23-15 09:52 AM

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6. "But that's going from good to great. Fast is fast. "
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We had dudes in high school that trained on that pink, gravel bullshit and they could hit 46-49 on a real track. That's a good enough baseline to get you into shooting for 44-46 with a real training and facility.

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akon
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Thu Apr-23-15 10:14 AM

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7. "they were all brought to the u.s 400yrs ago"
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8. "*rimshot*"
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9. "In 2015, natural ability is not enough"
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When you watch international meets, you are looking at the best in the world so any African you see there is more than pulling his weight. The training for sprints now involves state of the art analytical tools and custom made gear to fine tune performance. US/Europe athlethes benefit tremendously from this. The time gap between them is rarely significant (Usain Bolt is a freak of nature).

The cash incentive is also not as lucrative as soccer. Most "natural" athelethes are channeled into soccer in Africa because even playing for a third tier European club pays decent money.

Naturally? West Africans run fast. East Africans run far. I'll put my money on the average untrained teenager from those regions outperforming other teenagers in Europe/Asia in the corresponding type of race.

That said, Nigerian sprinters especially females are often in the upper echelon. And West Africans run under the Union Jack or other European flag sometimes

  

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MEAT
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11. "Good points. And I admittedly don't stay up on women runners."
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12. "Sounds like that good Soviet Ivan Drago training."
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10. "Coaching, also is track that popular over there?"
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You'd be surprised how much culture plays into who's good at what.

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Thu Apr-23-15 12:35 PM

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13. "Culture and coaching"
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Thu Apr-23-15 12:39 PM by PimpTrickGangstaClik

          

East Africans don't have a culture of sprinting.
They see all athletic heros running the distance races.
Kids who probably would be good sprinters aren't really encouraged to participate in track like those built for endurance.

Just like Caribbean athletes have a tradition of sprinting and Eastern Europe in the weight events. Athletes who fit the mold are pushed further, while others pursue other things.

Related, the coaches in that region are all experts in distance running.

But like was mentioned above, Kenya has a tradition of putting out good 400m runners and often has very competitive 4x400 relay teams.

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