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"Batman v. Henry Louis Gates, Jr. (swipe)"
Sun Apr-19-15 03:39 PM by samsara

  

          

Funny that HLG offered to go to Detroit to talk it over... guess he's still on that "Beer Summit"

Ben Affleck suppressed slave-owning ancestry, hacked Sony emails claim

Gates on Affleck's slave-owning ancestor: "And he wasn’t even a bad guy. We don’t demonize him at all. Now Anderson Cooper’s ancestor was a real s.o.b.; one of his slaves actually murdered him"

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/apr/18/ben-affleck-pbs-ancestor-slave-owner-henry-louis-gates

The film star Ben Affleck asked television chiefs to hide the fact that one of his ancestors was a slave owner, according to a newly published batch of hacked emails involving the media giant Sony.

The host of the show, Henry Louis Gates, a prominent Harvard history professor, appeared upset by the apparently unprecedented request but the sensitive facts were nonetheless left out of the show, which aired last September.

On Friday, Gates issued a statement in which he said: “We are very grateful to all of our guests for allowing us into their personal lives and have told hundreds of stories in this series including many about slave ancestors – never shying away from chapters of a family’s past that might be unpleasant.

“Ultimately, I maintain editorial control on all of my projects and, with my producers, decide what will make for the most compelling programme. In the case of Mr Affleck we focused on what we felt were the most interesting aspects of his ancestry – including a Revolutionary War ancestor, a third great–grandfather who was an occult enthusiast, and his mother who marched for civil rights during the Freedom Summer of 1964.”

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i don't get the shame
Apr 19th 2015
1
maybe filming in detroit had him shook lol
Apr 20th 2015
7
Here's the thing...
Apr 19th 2015
2
agreed.
Apr 20th 2015
9
RE: Here's the thing...
Apr 21st 2015
12
*whose
Apr 21st 2015
13
HLG been a boot licker way before the cop situation
Apr 21st 2015
14
      I'm so glad you said that
Apr 21st 2015
15
           Girl...Black Studies at Harvard is bs under Gates
Apr 22nd 2015
20
           meaning...?
Apr 22nd 2015
30
           He was surprised by Brazil?
Apr 22nd 2015
28
                Crazy right?
Apr 22nd 2015
29
well didn't Gate's first series dna test
Apr 19th 2015
3
He's 50% and he seemed genuinely surprised.
Apr 19th 2015
4
He's 100% Black.
Apr 19th 2015
5
      WTF, was the supposed to be a zinger? That's the
Apr 19th 2015
6
With the way he acts its not surprising.
Apr 22nd 2015
25
Lame-- like what? Folks would be surprised or disappointed in Batfleck?
Apr 20th 2015
8
embarassing/shameful on surface. underneath, it brings up privilege
Apr 21st 2015
17
So you prefer real evil to imaginary evil?
Apr 21st 2015
19
      I also prefer racially unbiased science as opposed to Darwin's
Apr 22nd 2015
21
           so 150 years of evolutionary science is wrong because Darwin was racist?
Apr 22nd 2015
23
                Can't trust Darwin's motivations at all
Apr 22nd 2015
24
                     Darwin died 130 years ago. It's not about him.
Apr 22nd 2015
26
                          If the roots are bitter how will the fruit taste?
Apr 22nd 2015
27
                          That's not how science works.
Apr 22nd 2015
34
                          RE: Darwin died 130 years ago. It's not about him.
Apr 23rd 2015
36
stupid/whiteguilty of him to try hiding it, far worse for gates to oblig...
Apr 21st 2015
10
seems like he was just asking advice
Apr 21st 2015
11
      might they be close friends? or gates reached out bc of batman
Apr 21st 2015
16
Alicia Keys had a similar incident with Gates
Apr 21st 2015
18
lol @ my grandma says I can't be on your show
Apr 22nd 2015
22
      RE: lol @ my grandma says I can't be on your show
Apr 22nd 2015
31
...aaaaaaand now there's an internal investigation at PBS
Apr 22nd 2015
32
Bruce Wayne wouldn't have been scared.
Apr 22nd 2015
33
nice.
Apr 23rd 2015
37
Whats worse, this or Robert Downey Jr indicating he is a republican?lolz
Apr 23rd 2015
35
Oh, hai post...
Apr 23rd 2015
38

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1. "i don't get the shame"
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i'm black and i have slave-owning ancestors on both sides. every family from the south has the same story.

for ben, going from that to this...

>his mother who marched for civil rights during the Freedom
>Summer of 1964.”

...actually would have been a pretty inspirational story of progress and made his family look even better. hiding it makes no sense.

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7. "maybe filming in detroit had him shook lol"
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and you are completely right

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2. "Here's the thing..."
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If I'm HLG Jr. and I've done the damn near impossible and become a black Harvard professor against all the odds... and yet I still was arrested by some klan member/police officer for "breaking into" my own damn house, I'd be damn if any white person could so much as part their lips to ask me if I could leave slavery out of their family history on my show about American genealogy.

So, now who's fault is this? HLG Jr. and I'll tell you why... this negro decided to sit down and have a beer with the man that arrested him for being black on his front porch in a white neighborhood and now white folks think they can try him.

On top of that, this bamma said that Affleck's slave owning ancestor "wasn't even that bad of a guy."

This nigga here...
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9. "agreed."
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fuck you.

  

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12. "RE: Here's the thing..."
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>On top of that, this bamma said that Affleck's slave owning
>ancestor "wasn't even that bad of a guy."
>
>This nigga here...


lmao yup

  

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13. "*whose"
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14. "HLG been a boot licker way before the cop situation"
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He called John Henrike Clarke a demagogue and a pseudo-scholar in the New York Times. Fuck him.

  

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15. "I'm so glad you said that"
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Because when I say that shit people they act like I'm out of my black mind.
I will never forget when he did that show on blacks in Latin America and said he didn't know that there were so many black people, IN BRAZIL, as as the head of BLACK STUDIES at an ivy. And he used the word nigra not negro, not nigga, not nigger... but nigra!
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20. "Girl...Black Studies at Harvard is bs under Gates"
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Their program has no theoretical basis that is defined by Black Studies scholars. We did a conference with some of his grad students last year, and they are seriously on some white people shit. But when that Blacks in Latin America special came out, my friends were going IN on him about the nigra stuff.

  

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30. "meaning...?"
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some of his
>grad students last year, and they are seriously on some white
>people shit.





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28. "He was surprised by Brazil?"
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That's damn near unfathomable. Dude never heard of little Africa aka Bahia?

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29. "Crazy right?"
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I wish I could find the clip because he looked generally surprise... He could have been trying to dumb down for the PBS audience to appeal to the masses but Gates has done and said so much dumb shit over the years that I really think he didn't know. I mean every hotep nigga from here to the nuwabians knows there are lots of black folks in brazil. Why doesn't he?

  

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3. "well didn't Gate's first series dna test"
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reveal that he himself is like 60% white...

  

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4. "He's 50% and he seemed genuinely surprised."
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Which was stupid, because his father and his aunt look white.

  

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5. "He's 100% Black."
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Just ask the police


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6. "WTF, was the supposed to be a zinger? That's the"
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exact issue we're discussing.

  

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25. "With the way he acts its not surprising."
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8. "Lame-- like what? Folks would be surprised or disappointed in Batfleck?"
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I'd be more embarrassed about having a devil/demon worshiper in my family than a salve owner-- regardless of how narrow the distinction between the two can be.

What is Affleck worried about? White people won't go see his movies because his white ancestors did white ancestor shit?

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17. "embarassing/shameful on surface. underneath, it brings up privilege"
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discussions about affleck's success

and at the extreme, a personal reparations claim/case if some descendant could connect the dots



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19. "So you prefer real evil to imaginary evil?"
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>I'd be more embarrassed about having a devil/demon worshiper
>in my family than a salve owner--

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21. "I also prefer racially unbiased science as opposed to Darwin's"
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Take on it.

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23. "so 150 years of evolutionary science is wrong because Darwin was racist?"
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that doesn't make any sense. or have anything to do with your preference for racist slaveowner evil to imaginary evil.

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24. "Can't trust Darwin's motivations at all"
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For any black person to hold to some shit that says we're the closet to apes and whites and asians are somehow more evolved humans (from us) due to less body hair (even though PLENTY of Africans are smooth skinned and even though science says white and asian folks have the most neanderthal DNA is some bullshit. You might as well become a black mormon at that point.

But I digress. Regarding the occult. Even the Bible says there are no spirits or ghosts of human souls. When we die our natural state is oblivion. I assume we agree on that.

So to be involved with contacting spirits is incredibly dangerous. Because if they exist they're going to be more intelligent than you and if they don't then the motivations and morality of the person interested in the occult should be questioned. You'll note that some of the bloodiest civilizations and organizations (i.e. the Nazi's) were steeped in the occult.

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26. "Darwin died 130 years ago. It's not about him."
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>For any black person to hold to some shit that says we're the
>closet to apes and whites and asians are somehow more evolved
>humans (from us) due to less body hair (even though PLENTY of
>Africans are smooth skinned and even though science says white
>and asian folks have the most neanderthal DNA is some
>bullshit.

that's not what evolution says. not sure where you got that from.


>But I digress. Regarding the occult. Even the Bible says there
>are no spirits or ghosts of human souls. When we die our
>natural state is oblivion. I assume we agree on that.

we agree that's what the Bible says, yes.


>So to be involved with contacting spirits is incredibly
>dangerous. Because if they exist they're going to be more
>intelligent than you

how would they be more intelligent than me when they can't even outsmart Scooby-Doo?


>and if they don't then the motivations
>and morality of the person interested in the occult should be
>questioned.

more so than the motivations and morality of slave owners?


>You'll note that some of the bloodiest
>civilizations and organizations (i.e. the Nazi's) were steeped
>in the occult.

as opposed to how bloody civilizations and organizations steeped in slavery were? not to mention some of the bloodiest organizations ever are even more opposed to the occult that you are (e.g. al qaeda, taliban, ISIS)

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27. "If the roots are bitter how will the fruit taste?"
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>>For any black person to hold to some shit that says we're
>the
>>closet to apes and whites and asians are somehow more
>evolved
>>humans (from us) due to less body hair (even though PLENTY
>of
>>Africans are smooth skinned and even though science says
>white
>>and asian folks have the most neanderthal DNA is some
>>bullshit.
>
>that's not what evolution says. not sure where you got that
>from.

That is from Darwin. Asians to him were more evolved with whites in the middle. Blacks obviously at the bottom. Also plenty of articles are out there regarding Neanderthal DNA and which groups posess the least and most.

>>So to be involved with contacting spirits is incredibly
>>dangerous. Because if they exist they're going to be more
>>intelligent than you
>
>how would they be more intelligent than me when they can't
>even outsmart Scooby-Doo?

That's pretty funny, but if there were such a thing as an unseen intelligence that could see us and hear us while we could not see or hear it-- to me that suggests said intelligence already has the ability to know things I don't know and if that intelligence is capable of lying then that to me spells danger.

>
>>and if they don't then the motivations
>>and morality of the person interested in the occult should
>be
>>questioned.
>
>more so than the motivations and morality of slave owners

Not all slave owners have been inhuman monsters and not all slaves have been kidnapped people.

>
>>You'll note that some of the bloodiest
>>civilizations and organizations (i.e. the Nazi's) were
>steeped
>>in the occult.
>
>as opposed to how bloody civilizations and organizations
>steeped in slavery were? not to mention some of the bloodiest
>organizations ever are even more opposed to the occult that
>you are (e.g. al qaeda, taliban, ISIS)

Equally steeped in the occult. Our dollar contains a number of occult symbols and plenty of presidents have been occult members. Regarding the Islamic groups you mentioned-- It's love your neighbor as yourself not detonate your neighbor as yourself.

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34. "That's not how science works."
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>That is from Darwin. Asians to him were more evolved with
>whites in the middle. Blacks obviously at the bottom. Also

Darwin thought that Asians were more evolved than whites? never heard of that.


>plenty of articles are out there regarding Neanderthal DNA and
>which groups posess the least and most.

so?


>That's pretty funny, but if there were such a thing as an
>unseen intelligence that could see us and hear us while we
>could not see or hear it-- to me that suggests said
>intelligence already has the ability to know things I don't
>know and if that intelligence is capable of lying then that to
>me spells danger.

so they're like ninjas? ok maybe they are dangerous then.


>Not all slave owners have been inhuman monsters and not all
>slaves have been kidnapped people.

oh so I guess that makes it all ok.


>Equally steeped in the occult. Our dollar contains a number of
>occult symbols and plenty of presidents have been occult
>members.

so again: you're more opposed to their use of freemasonry symbols on currency than you are to them having owned other human beings?


> Regarding the Islamic groups you mentioned-- It's
>love your neighbor as yourself not detonate your neighbor as
>yourself.

what does that have to do with what I said?

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36. "RE: Darwin died 130 years ago. It's not about him."
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>>So to be involved with contacting spirits is incredibly
>>dangerous. Because if they exist they're going to be more
>>intelligent than you
>
>how would they be more intelligent than me when they can't
>even outsmart Scooby-Doo?

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10. "stupid/whiteguilty of him to try hiding it, far worse for gates to oblig..."
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"he wasnt a bad guy"


which is why skip is the one we see issuing statements and doing damage control



but uh
whats the PBS connection to sony?



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11. "seems like he was just asking advice"
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>
>but uh
>whats the PBS connection to sony?

from the sony ceo
PBS claimed they didn't know about the exchange

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16. "might they be close friends? or gates reached out bc of batman"
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and wanted a hollywood / "branding" perspective?

thats even worse

>
>>
>>but uh
>>whats the PBS connection to sony?
>
>from the sony ceo
>PBS claimed they didn't know about the exchange



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18. "Alicia Keys had a similar incident with Gates"
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though she didnt even get to fill out the ancestry form before her grandmother told her she couldnt do the show and wouldnt tell her why.. Now that is some silly ass shit.. They related to J. Edgar Hoover ? Or some incest shit, I wonder.

  

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22. "lol @ my grandma says I can't be on your show"
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31. "RE: lol @ my grandma says I can't be on your show"
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yea that shit is pretty hilarious when u think about it, lolz

  

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b.Touch
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Wed Apr-22-15 08:08 PM

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32. "...aaaaaaand now there's an internal investigation at PBS"
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http://www.usnews.com/news/entertainment/articles/2015/04/21/pbs-probing-affleck-request-to-omit-slave-owning-ancestor

folks finna get fired...

  

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Atillah Moor
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Wed Apr-22-15 08:21 PM

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33. "Bruce Wayne wouldn't have been scared."
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Might have even had the Wayne Foundation help out a few of Gotham's public schools or black neighborhoods. Doing PSA's about progress with John Stewart and Mr. Terrific. Ben ain't ready.

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Everything looks like Oprah kissing Harvey Weinstein these days

  

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37. "nice."
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fuck you.

  

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neuro_OSX
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35. "Whats worse, this or Robert Downey Jr indicating he is a republican?lolz"
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Teknontheou
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38. "Oh, hai post..."
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