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Tommy-B
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"Liberals who defend Islam: get a grip"


  

          

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/04/05/ayaan-to-liberals-get-your-priorities-straight.html

This is a good interview with Ayaan Hirsi Ali - a
woman who had a hit put on her for committing apostasy
and blasphemy and also a woman who had her clit cut off in the name of islam.

i agree with her 100%. some people who identify as liberal
will jump through all sorts of hoops to defend what they
believe to be an unfairly maligned religion. in the
wake of the charlie hebdo attacks we had people on this site rationalising what the killers did, with some even supporting it.

i get that muslims are viewed by some as an oppressed
minority, but islam is not compatible with liberal values.
at all.

islam is about as far-right and fascist as you can possibly get.
the people who believe in it wholeheartedly are
intolerant of anyone who isn't a hardcore muslim and will straight
up kill you for even daring to point out that they may have got it wrong.

acting as if islam isn't a problem won't make the
threat go away and it's time for true liberals to stand up
and call bullshit on those who think they're fighting the good fight.

allahu akbar

If you're innocent, be cool.
Only the guilty's catchin' offence.

  

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poor thing.
Apr 06th 2015
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*listens to the pained howling of a dog in the distance*
Apr 06th 2015
3
u just described many religions
Apr 06th 2015
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you threw a stone and hide your hand.
Apr 06th 2015
7
*shrugs*
Apr 06th 2015
11
      so...stone thrown. hand hid.
Apr 06th 2015
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           no hand hiding at all
Apr 06th 2015
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                great.
Apr 06th 2015
21
i just saw the front of my brain
Apr 06th 2015
110
I came in here to say this. Most libs defend Muslims, not Islam.
Apr 06th 2015
25
      ^^^
Apr 06th 2015
46
Is your exposure to Muslims limited to ISIS, Al-Qaeda, the Taliban, etc?
Apr 06th 2015
2
He never had some good Halal
Apr 06th 2015
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somebody get this guy a shawarma
Apr 06th 2015
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no.
Apr 06th 2015
6
How is ISLAM unique on the religious spectrum though
Apr 06th 2015
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because...
Apr 06th 2015
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      context.
Apr 06th 2015
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      nah.
Apr 06th 2015
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           k.
Apr 06th 2015
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           Shit like that is in the bible too.
Apr 06th 2015
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                Right, the Bible endorses all kinds of nefarious shit.
Apr 06th 2015
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      You've got huge swaths of people making fun of Islam
Apr 06th 2015
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      RE: You've got huge swaths of people making fun of Islam
Apr 07th 2015
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      um
Apr 08th 2015
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Where exactly do you live that causes this to be a concern?
Apr 06th 2015
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You gotta look for the signs, Fella. Dem A-rabs is everywhere
Apr 06th 2015
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middle 'murika
Apr 06th 2015
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      nah he's prolly british
Apr 06th 2015
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           on average Europeans seem more anti-Muslim and anti-Semitic
Apr 06th 2015
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                nah but you're right.
Apr 06th 2015
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                i think so too.
Apr 06th 2015
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                lol @ islamophobe
Apr 06th 2015
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                     Mexicans have the Cucuy. Americans have the Boogie Man
Apr 06th 2015
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                Honestly, because I think they compare themselves to the US
Apr 06th 2015
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                i think it's because it's closely linked w/xenophobia
Apr 06th 2015
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                     or maybe because 27% of british muslims
Apr 06th 2015
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                          lol... the jewish chronicle
Apr 06th 2015
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how is where you work even relevant to the discussion?
Apr 06th 2015
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because...
Apr 06th 2015
26
      so the only contact you have with them is in mental health? smh...
Apr 06th 2015
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      *sighs*
Apr 06th 2015
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           sighs louder...
Apr 06th 2015
57
                i'm sorry my answer upset you
Apr 06th 2015
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      so you basically told them their problems might lay...
Apr 06th 2015
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      yes
Apr 06th 2015
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      And there it is....
Apr 06th 2015
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           lol, wtf are you talking about son?
Apr 06th 2015
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                I'm saying that your Islamophobia makes sense now.
Apr 06th 2015
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You are wrong though.
Apr 06th 2015
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      lol
Apr 06th 2015
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           You have clearly not studied it though.
Apr 06th 2015
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                islam. peaceful.
Apr 06th 2015
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                Well, since you want to be extra, there is nothing I can say.
Apr 06th 2015
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                pretty sissy move to ignore the actual text of the koran
Apr 07th 2015
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                     all spiritual texts have been revised endlessly
Apr 07th 2015
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                          Koran aint been changed tho. And theres NO violent messages in Koran TEX...
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                               Incorrect, all religious texts have changed.
Apr 07th 2015
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                                    you're right, all text have changed, I fucked my message up.
Apr 07th 2015
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                                         You don't know how to read and you're "special". nm
Apr 07th 2015
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don't forget fox news
Apr 06th 2015
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the fastest growing religion
Apr 06th 2015
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i'm guessing you're a muslim?
Apr 06th 2015
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apatheist
Apr 06th 2015
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      shiite or sunni?
Apr 06th 2015
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      wow. clearly you know nothing about islam
Apr 06th 2015
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      lol come on dude. you could have at least googled it.
Apr 06th 2015
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           googled what?
Apr 06th 2015
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      love it
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oh, and just to add...
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There is a diff. between defending Islamist extremism
Apr 06th 2015
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i agree 100%
Apr 06th 2015
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please dont do that "spice up the post title" thing
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*shrugs*
Apr 06th 2015
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RE: i agree 100%
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The problem is nobody wants to talk about this
Apr 06th 2015
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      lol
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      Show me a 'liberal' post that does this
Apr 06th 2015
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      He just wanted to show everyone his new cape.
Apr 06th 2015
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      go have a look at the charlie hebdo threads
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      The West is doing better than the Middle East in terms of social progres...
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           goddamn you're boring
Apr 06th 2015
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                So...I should make my responses more spicy? Like you?
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                shouldve at least served up some spiced tofu
Apr 06th 2015
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                goddamn you're a dumb fuck....
Apr 07th 2015
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      It needs to be talked about much more - but guess what?
Apr 06th 2015
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           good posting, man
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           it's also not islam's fault
Apr 08th 2015
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Ayaan Hirsi Ali rides #DatTrain. FOH.
Apr 06th 2015
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i understand why personally she has such strong
Apr 06th 2015
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word.
Apr 06th 2015
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AD HOMINEM. Stick to the argument
Apr 06th 2015
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      man, STFU
Apr 06th 2015
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Okayplayers will ride for Islam. lol
Apr 06th 2015
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it's all part of Satan's plan.
Apr 06th 2015
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It's one religion that White people didn't impose on them.
Apr 06th 2015
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#POAST
Apr 06th 2015
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She needs more people
Apr 06th 2015
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>ol' girl is the worst mouth piece available
Apr 06th 2015
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ok, player
Apr 06th 2015
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      RE: ok, player
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           when was the last time somebody had
Apr 07th 2015
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btw, this is more a cultural practice in somalia
Apr 06th 2015
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Christians who talk about the violent natures of Islam don't know
Apr 06th 2015
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Is the Bible more violent than the Quran? (c) NPR (link)
Apr 06th 2015
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nah, ALL religions are steeped in violence
Apr 06th 2015
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Well i respect the consistency. I'd modify your statement though
Apr 06th 2015
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      nah, it doesn't need modifying
Apr 06th 2015
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the bible: first written accounts of genocide, imo
Apr 06th 2015
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How many people engaged you sensibly & similarly prior to reply #27
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you peep that too eh?
Apr 06th 2015
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Hi lady!!...And girl, I KNOW you see it lol.
Apr 06th 2015
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      *waves*
Apr 06th 2015
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He just wants to argue, lol
Apr 06th 2015
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Religion is the problem.
Apr 06th 2015
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how many schools were blown up this year in the
Apr 06th 2015
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You're both wrong.
Apr 06th 2015
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i thought you never told somebody they're wrong
Apr 06th 2015
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      You're discussing information which is based on facts, not opinion.
Apr 06th 2015
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           thanks, tek
Apr 06th 2015
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                you're welcome, Jim.
Apr 06th 2015
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                     nah i just troll you, 'tek
Apr 06th 2015
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                          you're trolling hard in here fam.
Apr 06th 2015
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                               i hope that one day i can reach your level of wisdom, tek
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                                    start with knowledge, jim
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                                         sure
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                                              Jim
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RE: how many schools were blown up this year in the
Apr 06th 2015
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Religion is a scapegoat. Its greed, power, land, resources, etc.
Apr 07th 2015
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What I find most interesting about these discussions is...
Apr 06th 2015
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thanks?
Apr 06th 2015
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      No.
Apr 06th 2015
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      THIS
Apr 06th 2015
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      ah, the whatabout brigade strikes again
Apr 06th 2015
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           RE: ah, the whatabout brigade strikes again
Apr 06th 2015
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                heh
Apr 06th 2015
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                QUICK! YOU MUST SHARE YOUR MESSAGE WITH THE WORLD!
Apr 06th 2015
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                (O_o)....(o_O)....(O_O)...
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      extremists are the problem
Apr 06th 2015
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           there wouldn't be islamic extremists if there wasn't islam
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                There are Catholic and Protestant extremists in Ireland
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                he's babbling at this point
Apr 06th 2015
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                the only practical solution to what you just said would be to
Apr 06th 2015
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                Ok, there wouldn't be black on black crime if there weren't black people
Apr 06th 2015
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                Nah, this is just an excellent troll post. I fell for it too.
Apr 06th 2015
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                     errytime
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                that is brilliant idiocy.
Apr 06th 2015
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                *shrugs*
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                end poast/
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Glenn Beck: " I unequivocally believe that Islam is a religion of peace&...
Apr 06th 2015
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this post is probably a reflection of the rising european xenophobia
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nah
Apr 06th 2015
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some of us dont find ayaan credible, so wtf should we discuss her views?
Apr 06th 2015
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keep those eyes shut and those fingers in your ears
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      let me confess then, Oui, je suis musilman
Apr 07th 2015
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Ali was being way more reasonable in the interview than you are here.
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it is, yes.
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      why are you taking all these bullets for islam, sowhat?
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           b/c i have been blinded by my liberalism
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                finally a bit of honesty
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                insh'allah, this too shall pass
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Islam is no more the problem than Christianity. Religious extremism is ....
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when was the last time somebody ran into a office
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      about 1995 or so - Oklahoma City.
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      no.
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           i don't need to.
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      You sound new, like someone who uses the term "double standard" a lot
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           *yawns*
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                1) i obviated that by providing contemporary examples 2) ...
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so how do we go about eradicating islam?
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They're enamored by its ideas and intentions and the supposed
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i think it's more about looking out for brown/poor people
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this is either a fuckjing bullshit as troll post
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i hope that one day you can find the right spiritual belief
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okayplayers sure do love themselves some islam
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for what?
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you've given it a good go
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      sure.
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      LOL @ this:
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      No one is screaming bigot. We're pointing out that you're a bigot.
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Lol there is one poster who would consign u tho
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just type his name and walk in the light dude
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      Wait, two questions.
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           RE: two answers
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                lmfao, stfu
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                i think ur a loser and i dont want to participate in ur "troll for #s" s...
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                     you've been commenting on these threads for 10 years
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                Thx for the reply
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nope
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in other words you are trolling LOL
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its bartek
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      i thought I was Bartek
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           je suis bartek?
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           lol
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           I thought you were Bartek for sure
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                i'm surprised someone left such a lasting mark on this forum
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                     that's definitely a bartek thing to say lol
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                          dude just gave himself a compliment passive aggressively lmao
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                               i mean i was so sure that i didnt even remark it, like when there was L2...
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theyll defend any religion they got friends/fam of
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LMAO...no.
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      you just wanna go back to church, don't you uncle tom ;)
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Perfect place for this cartoon
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Girls in Ninja costumes? How can you not love Islam??
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OMG. LOL
Apr 07th 2015
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this is a hilarious observation.
Apr 07th 2015
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Sometimes while stoned the NOI chicks in Philly would trip me out
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you must not recall learning about the crusades
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.... WAT? Cocaine is a helluva drug.
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let me clear some things up
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How is islam a cult?
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smh
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+1UP for this post & +1UP for clowning barteks music lol
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individuals that revel in hatred and bigotry
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If they really gave a fuck they'd start a crusade.
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      nothing they said is based on any facts
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      yet, y'all two enlightened love birds fall for it everytime lol
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           I honestly wish you well bro.
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                the only thing we hate is your music, tek
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he actually had a couple house tunes i was kinda feeling lol
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      What about his other tracks lol. super butt
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How the fuck you gonna say I'm crying when you post like a bitch.
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the funny shit is people keep quoting a racist cartoon yet
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aint nobody checking for that broad
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^^^Has women in beekeeper suits as an Instagram page LOL
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because women choose to cover themselves they are oppressed?
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      lmfao
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           RE: lmfao
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                can you admit that your prophet
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                     can you admit that cutting off children's hands
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                     can you admit that it may be silly
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                     RE: can you admit that it may be silly
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                     RE: can you admit that cutting off children's hands
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                     can you admit
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                          no.
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                               RE: no.
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                                    ^ defending a paedophile who raped a 6-year old
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                                         ^ misstating facts to push your islamopobic agenda
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Tommy-B Can You Admit
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      yes
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so whats the solution?
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1) more honesty from both liberals and muslims alike.
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      i dont understand how that "fixes" anything
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           honesty is the only way this can be overcome
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                moderate muslims denounce it everyday
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                     i know they do, they're just not doing enough
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How is a thread like this supposed to contribute to a liberal secular so...
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people just have nothing better to do with their time
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meh
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RE: meh
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      ^Thats bullshit and you know it.
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      And you sound like a seventeen year old who just discovered Bill Maher.
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           <\post>
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           I bet your grandparents new nothings about abuse there either huh
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                Alright then.
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      look, man
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           lol, you sound so hurt
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                ^ "women feel liberated being made to wear a black
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this is why i like you. hit the nail square on the head.
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SoWhat
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1. "poor thing."
In response to Reply # 0
Mon Apr-06-15 11:49 AM by SoWhat

  

          

you don't get it.

i wasn't defending Islam i was defending European Muslims - who are too often mistreated and otherwise disenfranchised. and that the Charlie Hebdo cartoons serve to compound and worsen the situation of European Muslims when placed w/in the context of that mistreatment and disenfranchisement. which is why i didn't agree w/CH's decision to publish the cartoons. and though i found the attacks on the magazine abhorrent i was able to understand some of what likely motivated the attackers even though what they did was absolutely immoral and wrong and awful and wrong and awful and wrong and awful and awful and wrong.

anyway, good luck w/this.

fuck you.

  

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Tommy-B
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3. "*listens to the pained howling of a dog in the distance*"
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this wasn't aimed at you, sowhat. it was aimed at supposed
liberals who go out of their way to defend a murderous doctrine
that warps the mind of people and turns them into killers.

those "european muslims" you were standing up for were not killing because they were angry at the system. they killed those people
because they committed blasphemy.

those killers, like many other extremist muslims, wanted to impose their
barbaric laws on the rest of us in as bloody a way as possible.

THEY are the facists, and it is THEY who help to compound the
misery on the decent muslims. not the people who draw a satirical
cartoon which mocks blasphemy laws.

thanks for the good luck though, hit dog. i hope that wound
heals up soon.

If you're innocent, be cool.
Only the guilty's catchin' offence.

  

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4. "u just described many religions"
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of the past 3000 years

Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

Building repetoires (c) spm since 1983

  

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7. "you threw a stone and hide your hand."
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it's cool.

"in the wake of the charlie hebdo attacks we had people on this site rationalising what the killers did, with some even supporting it."

^ not about me (among others). right.

anyway, good luck storming the castle.

fuck you.

  

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11. "*shrugs*"
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if the shoe fits, hit dawg.

you were one of many people in those threads who
rationalised what the killers did. i understand why
you'd do that - you saw some angry brown people taking
the fight to whitey and you thought, "yeah! about time those
poor muslims stood up to the 'oppressive' regime of france."

your emotions clouded your judgement and you didn't realise that
the people you were defending were the bad guys. really, really
bad guys.

not disenfranchised brown people fed up with being picked on, but
murderous nihilists who are willing to cause as much misery as
they can so they can make it to paradise.

If you're innocent, be cool.
Only the guilty's catchin' offence.

  

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13. "so...stone thrown. hand hid."
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Mon Apr-06-15 12:23 PM by SoWhat

  

          

like i said.

right on.

good luck.

fuck you.

  

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19. "no hand hiding at all"
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i threw a stone and the first dog that yelped was you.

i didn't make this thread because of you, sowhat. i made it
because i wanted to share the interview with ayaan hirsi ali -
somebody who'd also vehemently disagree with you - and to get a
dialogue going on why it's ok to shit on certain religions but not
islam.

If you're innocent, be cool.
Only the guilty's catchin' offence.

  

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21. "great."
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fuck you.

  

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110. "i just saw the front of my brain"
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WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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25. "I came in here to say this. Most libs defend Muslims, not Islam."
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46. "^^^"
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2. "Is your exposure to Muslims limited to ISIS, Al-Qaeda, the Taliban, etc?"
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5. "He never had some good Halal"
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10. "somebody get this guy a shawarma "
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6. "no."
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i work in mental health and i encounter people from
all sorts of religions. good, decent people. muslims, hindus,
jews, christians.

i am not disparaging them. i'm disparaging ISLAM for being
a murderous and regressive belief system invented by angry,
sexually deprived psychos.

i'm also disparaging those who defend it and those who seek
to impose it on me.

If you're innocent, be cool.
Only the guilty's catchin' offence.

  

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8. "How is ISLAM unique on the religious spectrum though"
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You've got states passing laws trying to subtly take the civil rights of gay people under the guise of Christianity

You've got one nation basically making a mini-prison camp of another in Israel

  

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12. "because..."
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people aren't blowing up schools or murdering thousands of
innocent people each year because of their buddhist beliefs.

i know all religions are shit, but at the minute, ISLAM is the one
that is causing the most problems.

it's fair game to insult and ridicule jesus, but when the prophet
muhammad gets brought into it, the rules seem to change.
why is that?

If you're innocent, be cool.
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20. "context."
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>it's fair game to insult and ridicule jesus, but when the
>prophet
>muhammad gets brought into it, the rules seem to change.
>why is that?

b/c - context.

it's one thing to ridicule Jesus here in America. i have little problem w/it, usually b/c Xtians have great power and influence here. they're not stepped on for the most part. i'd feel differently about ridicule of Jesus in a place where Xtians are a disenfranchised minority.

ditto w/Muslims. ridiculing Muhammad in Saudi Arabia where Muslims wield great power and influence ain't the same as doing it in Northern Europe where Muslims are relatively disenfranchised.

context. it's what's for dinner.

fuck you.

  

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35. "nah."
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it doesn't matter what country it's in.

in the fundamental texts of islam, it clearly states that all
those who depict the prophet muhammad must be killed. this
also goes for anybody who insults islam or anybody who simply
isn't a muslim.

the radical extremism we're seeing now - and probably gonna
see a lot more of - is the worst kind of fascism there is.

no context needed. people were killed for drawing a cartoon.

If you're innocent, be cool.
Only the guilty's catchin' offence.

  

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36. "k."
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fuck you.

  

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61. "Shit like that is in the bible too. "
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>it doesn't matter what country it's in.
>
>in the fundamental texts of islam, it clearly states that all
>those who depict the prophet muhammad must be killed. this
>also goes for anybody who insults islam or anybody who simply
>isn't a muslim.
>
>the radical extremism we're seeing now - and probably gonna
>see a lot more of - is the worst kind of fascism there is.
>
>no context needed. people were killed for drawing a cartoon.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson


"One of the most important things in life is what Judge Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to whether you're

  

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123. "Right, the Bible endorses all kinds of nefarious shit."
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But most Christians and Jews shed their more extreme views as the West Became more secular.

Islam is compatible with a humanist society, it's just that it happens to also be compatible with tyrannical societies. I mean, most ideologies can be shaped to fit your particular political needs. Islam is going through some rather turbulent shifts right now, but saying that it is incapable of existing in secular or democratic societies is just laughable.

When people criticize Islam for being inherently violent, they really should also consider that at its core Judaism is xenophobic to the point of basing their religious/cultural origins on massacring other nations. The only real difference is that we have better documentation supporting Muhammad's conquests. Even if Judaism's celebration of the Jews conquering the Levant is entirely myth, it still bases its values on the notion that war and killing can be justified by a very specific group of people for the purposes of acquiring land and the propagation of their race and religion.

Of course Judaism has taken many forms through out the years and most of its strains focus on the metaphysical and philosophical aspects of the religion, but one glance at Hardcore Zionist settlers should be enough to convince you that the xenophobic/nationalistic foundations of that faith are not completely gone from this world.

I wonder how tolerant and secular the west would be had Islamic empires meddled in their affairs and manipulated their power centers for a few generations.

  

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22. "You've got huge swaths of people making fun of Islam"
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and people want to talk about the cruel violence(and they should) but nobody was painting Protestants or Catholics with the same RACIAL tinged brush that we are in 2015.

Its not hard to see the parallels that when white people commit crimes, as they are apt to do. Particularly when it comes to the cruel irony that it was our own Western interests that basically birthed these extremists

>people aren't blowing up schools or murdering thousands of
>innocent people each year because of their buddhist beliefs.
>
>i know all religions are shit, but at the minute, ISLAM is the
>one
>that is causing the most problems.
>
>it's fair game to insult and ridicule jesus, but when the
>prophet
>muhammad gets brought into it, the rules seem to change.
>why is that?

  

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160. "RE: You've got huge swaths of people making fun of Islam"
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lol, doesn't look like that to me.


>
>Its not hard to see the parallels that when white people
>commit crimes, as they are apt to do. Particularly when it
>comes to the cruel irony that it was our own Western interests
>that basically birthed these extremists
>

no. just no.

If you're innocent, be cool.
Only the guilty's catchin' offence.

  

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214. "um"
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Muslims_in_Burma

http://instagram.com/schemeofthings

  

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9. "Where exactly do you live that causes this to be a concern?"
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>
>i'm also disparaging those who defend it and those who seek
>to impose it on me.

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14. "You gotta look for the signs, Fella. Dem A-rabs is everywhere"
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I remember I was at the Denny's and suddenly this guy had the NERVE to be nice to me when I walked inside. He had suicide bomber eyes! So on my way out I grabbed him and was like, "Hey, I know whatcha doing here?" and he was like, "I was starin' at you cause you cute".

That's when I was like, maybe he's trying to play off being one of those homer-sexuals to hide his whole agenda. So I did what any red blooded country boy would do, I fucked him. Let it be known I got m dick sucked for freedom"

>
>>
>>i'm also disparaging those who defend it and those who seek
>>to impose it on me.
>

  

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15. "middle 'murika"
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17. "nah he's prolly british"
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dude's spelling is brit at least

  

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24. "on average Europeans seem more anti-Muslim and anti-Semitic "
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than even the average American. i've heard some shockingly casual anti-M/S comments from otherwise well-meaning Europeans.

it's not fair of me to paint them w/such a broad brush based on my limited experience.

fuck you.

  

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28. "nah but you're right."
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As a nation we are HUGE islamophobes but the language is different. Here it's less about the sexual repression and Freudian analysis and more about the 'they hate our freedom'.

  

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34. "i think so too."
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fuck you.

  

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37. "lol @ islamophobe"
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such a silly, silly term.

If you're innocent, be cool.
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40. "Mexicans have the Cucuy. Americans have the Boogie Man"
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A sexually repressed pakistani haunts your particular nightmares

  

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29. "Honestly, because I think they compare themselves to the US"
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and think because they aren't Michael Bay directed 3D directors cut racism that the US has and broadcasted across the world they are in the clear even though they were on that subtle institutionalized racism before we were (ahead in fashion and in bias!)

>than even the average American. i've heard some shockingly
>casual anti-M/S comments from otherwise well-meaning
>Europeans.
>
>it's not fair of me to paint them w/such a broad brush based
>on my limited experience.

  

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83. "i think it's because it's closely linked w/xenophobia"
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imo there's still the assumption by many people (at least in the uk) that blacks/asians/muslims/jews are still 'foreign' regardless of how long they've been here.

  

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86. "or maybe because 27% of british muslims"
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sympathised with the charlie hebdo killings*.

or, because islam is a totalitarian doctrine that
preaches the destruction of the west and is totally incompatible
with decent, liberal values.


* reference: http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/130508/27-cent-uk-muslims-sympathise-motives-charlie-hebdo-killers-poll-reveals

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145. "lol... the jewish chronicle"
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god i love wiki sometimes,

"Editorial position
In 2014 the paper publishing an advertisement for the Disasters Emergency Committee's Gaza appeal, for it received complaints from a significant number of readers. The editor issued an apology for the publication of the advert, stating that the paper's position was supportive of Operation Protective Edge, and that he did not accept the generally published figures on the number of civilian casualties, believing many were terrorists. The editorial stated that "Almost alone in the British media the JC has stressed Israel's right to defend herself and sought to explain why Israel was faced with no choice but to take action in Gaza.""

yes, im sure i believe that poll.

not only that, 27% is the new majority

.
http://perspectivesudans.blogspot.com/
i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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18. "how is where you work even relevant to the discussion?"
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>i work in mental health and i encounter people from
>all sorts of religions. good, decent people. muslims,
>hindus,
>jews, christians.

is this supposed to make your argument stronger?
or merely hide the fact that you know so little about islam?

.
http://perspectivesudans.blogspot.com/
i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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26. "because..."
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he asked me had i ever encountered muslims before.

to which i replied, "yes. i work in mental health and i've
encountered many muslims before." some of them are deeply troubled and
find it hard to compromise their beliefs in order to live a fully
enriched life.

i've even been threatened for suggesting that their belief
in islam may be contributing to their problems.

*shrugs*

and, for what it's worth, i live in london.

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Only the guilty's catchin' offence.

  

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31. "so the only contact you have with them is in mental health? smh..."
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yeah...

I'm pretty sure anyone who only has contact with a certain demo in mental health situations would have a slanted view.

  

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44. "*sighs*"
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no. i've also encountered them at university. the area i live
in is very diverse and houses many muslim families - some
of which i chat to.

there are also many muslims doctors and nurses were i work.

smart, brilliant people who all want to work towards the greater
good.

have i met the criteria yet?

it's funny how when you insult islam you always get people
firing questions at you like, "HOW MANY MUSLIMS
DO YOU KNOW?!?!" "HOW MANY MOSQUES YOU BEEN IN?!" "HOW MANY
FEMALE GENITAL MUTILATIONS HAVE YOU WITNESSED?!"

If you're innocent, be cool.
Only the guilty's catchin' offence.

  

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57. "sighs louder..."
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>no. i've also encountered them at university. the area i live
>
>in is very diverse and houses many muslim families - some
>of which i chat to.

then why didn't you provide this info in the original question
>
>there are also many muslims doctors and nurses were i work.
>
>smart, brilliant people who all want to work towards the
>greater
>good.
>
>have i met the criteria yet?

again, if you provided this info in the original question I wouldn't have posted as such


>
>it's funny how when you insult islam you always get people
>firing questions at you like, "HOW MANY MUSLIMS
>DO YOU KNOW?!?!" "HOW MANY MOSQUES YOU BEEN IN?!" "HOW MANY
>FEMALE GENITAL MUTILATIONS HAVE YOU WITNESSED?!"
>
>

yeah.. no. Someone simply asked if you have contact with them and instead of saying university, doctors, etc.. you gave a pathetic answer.

  

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84. "i'm sorry my answer upset you"
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Only the guilty's catchin' offence.

  

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55. "so you basically told them their problems might lay..."
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in the fundamental core of their very being and they reacted poorly?

* insert Willy Wonka "Tell Me More" gif *

  

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62. "yes"
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i'm not gonna delve into it - confidentiality and all that -
but, yeah, that's what i said.

i explained that attempting to live your life completely by
the words in the koran would undoubtedly bring a lot of misery.

same as i would to any devout religious person.

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125. "And there it is...."
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>and, for what it's worth, i live in london.

Reverse colonization is a muthafucka. Next time stay the fuck out of the Middle East...and Africa...and India.


"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

  

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126. "lol, wtf are you talking about son?"
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muslims have been killing people in the name of islam
long before we were in the middle east.

If you're innocent, be cool.
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131. "I'm saying that your Islamophobia makes sense now."
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Europeans have a nice islamophobic streak running through the whole continent.

It'd be amusing if the entire situation weren't so sad.

>muslims have been killing people in the name of islam
>long before we were in the middle east.

Yeah, they just weren't killing them in Western Europe...I mean unless you count the conquest of the Iberian Peninsula, but that was the Middle Ages when Christians were REALLY committing atrocities in the name of their faith so that kind of seems like a wash.

Anyway, I wasn't saying you guys are responsible for people killing in the name of Islam, I'm saying that I find all the European griping about immigration fucking hilarious. I mean deeply, genuinely funny. Sorry all these brown people are showing up on your shores with their weird religions and violent behavior. Kinda sucks when people just show up unannounced in your country and start trying to change your culture...see what I'm getting at?


"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

  

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30. "You are wrong though."
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i'm disparaging ISLAM for being
>a murderous and regressive belief system invented by angry,
>sexually deprived psychos.
>

This could not be further from the truth, and it honestly sounds like you are getting your information from Fox news.

Islam was a belief structure which supported the idea that "god" is within all things. All things must be loved, honored, including the personal body and the community body.

Here is a fun tip, 80% of all the stars in the sky have Arabic names, and were observed by Muslim scholars at the height of the Islamic empire when Europe was still burning dogs for being possessed by demons.

The Islamic empire was a mecca of world culture, technology/science and art while Europe was still in the dark ages, in fact, European royalty was educated in Baghdad and returned to Europe to govern.

Many explorers that returned to Europe from their travels, with stories of high culture, art, and science, were burned at the stake because they were suspected of being possessed by demons.

You can take any belief system and perverse it to serve your agenda. There are many different interpretations of Christianity as well as Islam, however, the Islamic extremists whom have taken Islam out of context in order to use it towards their own end happen to be quite good at drawing negative attention to the whole body of the religion.

Islam at its fundamental core is a beautiful and peaceful belief system. Let me give you an example of how extremists take it out of context.

A jihad in Islam is a war on your personal demons. ie. gambling, addiction, etc etc.

An Islamic jihad according to extremists is a war on anyone they consider a demon, hence, the bloodshed.

The tenets of Islam are not being followed, and neither are the tenets of Christianity. Both religions are dead, however, both have pure and peaceful origins that were inspired by love.



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39. "lol"
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>Islam at its fundamental core is a beautiful and peaceful
>belief system.
>

If you're innocent, be cool.
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49. "You have clearly not studied it though."
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You are literally basing your view on Islam on something that literally has nothing to do with Islam.

Islam uses the color green because it was the color of Mohammad's wife's veil. His goals were intertwined with his love for his wife and he wanted his teachings to reflect it. She was instrumental in the formation of Islam.

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65. "islam. peaceful."
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*giggles*

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67. "Well, since you want to be extra, there is nothing I can say."
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It started as a peaceful set of beliefs, just like Christianity did, and it was corrupted over time.


Enjoy your poast.

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174. "pretty sissy move to ignore the actual text of the koran"
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pretty funny too

  

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184. "all spiritual texts have been revised endlessly"
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and misinterpreted. there is a Stanford Professor who studied this and found 30,000 errors in the Bible alone so far. Errors which change things profoundly.

taking direction from today's version is entirely missing the point.

Mohammad's message, like Christ's message was simple to understand.

"God is within all things. Honor yourself and your neighbor. Love and serve others. The kingdom of god is within you."

Both men said almost the exact same thing. Everything that came after was a perversion of their words born of sociopolitical agenda.

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191. "Koran aint been changed tho. And theres NO violent messages in Koran TEX..."
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very simple shit here to see homie

nobodies talkin about the bible and its translations lol, thats just another sissy move bruh.


but yeah, there are no violent texts in the koran specific to those who do not believe. Is that what you're saying?

  

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196. "Incorrect, all religious texts have changed."
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You can read more about it here.

http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=22828.0

Secondly, my point was simple. Mohammad, like Jesus, provided a simple message of love, which was interpreted, shaped, and moulded into the various forms we see today, all being vastly different to Mohammad's original teachings or intent. The same can be said for the bible. No main stream religious text is reliable as far as conveying any truths.

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198. "you're right, all text have changed, I fucked my message up."
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still doesn't change the fact that the koran literally has PLENTY of scripture that is specifically violent towards non-believers, which you haven't addressed because you're a pussy but i'm cool with it if you are lol

  

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200. "You don't know how to read and you're "special". nm"
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~Experience is the currency of the soul.

  

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16. "don't forget fox news "
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23. "the fastest growing religion"
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http://www.pewforum.org/2015/04/02/religious-projections-2010-2050/

majority of whom live in countries non-affiliated with militants

.
http://perspectivesudans.blogspot.com/
i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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32. "i'm guessing you're a muslim?"
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If you're innocent, be cool.
Only the guilty's catchin' offence.

  

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42. "apatheist"
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.
http://perspectivesudans.blogspot.com/
i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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45. "shiite or sunni?"
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Only the guilty's catchin' offence.

  

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60. "wow. clearly you know nothing about islam"
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shit at this point, maybe even all religion and the non religious

.
http://perspectivesudans.blogspot.com/
i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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69. "lol come on dude. you could have at least googled it. "
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74. "googled what?"
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if you mean apatheist, i already knew what it means.

i was just being sarcastic

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87. "love it"
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~~~~
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134. "oh, and just to add..."
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maybe the reason there's such a high number of muslims
is because islam demands for all apostates to be killed.

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27. "There is a diff. between defending Islamist extremism"
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and defending the vast majority of Muslims (casual cultural Muslims to devout, peaceful Muslims) who have nothing to do with the radical ideology of those who have hijacked the faith.

Most liberals who "defend Islam" aren't defending the radical branch, but rather are defending the majority of Muslims who are not associated with that radical branch.

That said, I would agree that there is a tendency for American liberals to be blind to the realities of just how big of a problem radical Islamist ideology is -- it has basically brought an entire region to its knees (with the help of the NeoCon Cowboy regime which left a void in the region to be exploited by such groups) - but there is no defending the hard-line Islamists if you are a progressive person standing for principles of inclusiveness, human rights, and personal bodily integrity.

America needs more progressive voices like Maajid Nawaz, who is a progressive liberal from the UK - but instead of lecturing to people who don't understand Islam, he directly confronts radical Islamists head-on in an effort to reclaim the culture and faith from those who have stolen its identity in the name of a Caliphate. He is a champion who stands for progressive Islam without apologizing for the far-too powerful branch of extremism that is holding entire regions hostage.

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41. "i agree 100%"
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i had to spice up the post title to get something
going, but i'm not insulting muslims, i'm insulting radical
islam and those "liberals" who defend and rationalise the
atrocities committed in its name.

i'm a big, big fan of maajid nawa as well. we need more guys
like him.

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72. "please dont do that "spice up the post title" thing"
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sensationalism is wack and part of the problem.

  

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75. "*shrugs*"
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i'll title my poasts how i like, thanks

plus, it was ayaan hirsi-ali's words, not mine (even though
i agree with her 100%)

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149. "RE: i agree 100%"
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"islam is about as far-right and fascist as you can possibly get.
the people who believe in it wholeheartedly are
intolerant of anyone who isn't a hardcore muslim and will straight
up kill you for even daring to point out that they may have got it wrong.

acting as if islam isn't a problem won't make the
threat go away and it's time for true liberals to stand up
and call bullshit on those who think they're fighting the good fight.

allahu akbar"


Not once do you mention radical islam

  

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43. "The problem is nobody wants to talk about this"
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>(with the help of the
>NeoCon Cowboy regime which left a void in the region to be
>exploited by such groups)

Weapons/training etc...all provided by Western powers

People point and say well, Islam needs to get its act together, if they stood together and did yada yada yada.

But you aren't going to beat fifty years of targeted destabilization over night particular when the methods we are using are just creating new problems.

  

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48. "lol"
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that's all that gets talked about here when you bring up
islam.

"what about the weapons WE give them?"

i know we give them weapons, but that isn't the point of this
post.

i just wanted to discuss why supposed liberals will jump through
hoops to defend and rationalise the horrific acts committed by
muslims in the name of allah.

i know there's a lot of anti-west sentiment here, but the west is
doing a whole lot better than the middle east in terms of social
progression. that's why i laughed when hit dogg up there talked
about how oppressed muslims are in sunny france.

people are getting beheaded in saudi arabia for practicing
sorcery and gays are getting chucked off buildings because islam
doesn't like them.

i also feel we need to do away with the term "islamophobia."
it's a stupid word that seeks only to stifle discussion on the
important topics of islam.

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52. "Show me a 'liberal' post that does this"
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>i just wanted to discuss why supposed liberals will jump
>through
>hoops to defend and rationalise the horrific acts committed
>by
>muslims in the name of allah.

bu

  

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53. "He just wanted to show everyone his new cape."
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~Experience is the currency of the soul.

  

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73. "go have a look at the charlie hebdo threads"
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you had people in there saying they empathised with the killers
because they too understood what it was like to be trodden on
daily by a white society and its inherent racist prejudices.

not knowing that they weren't killing because of an "anti whitey" stance,
but because of an "anti infidel" stance

these types of liberals think that they're standing up for liberal principles when really they are defending those who are the worst type of fascist.

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128. "The West is doing better than the Middle East in terms of social progres..."
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And you think that shit just happened in a vacuum?

Here's the problem. You want this to be about 1 thing, but it's about a countless number of things. You can't dismiss shit about us giving them weapons when someone brings it up and then talk about the social progression of the region. You can't talk about the social progression without talking about geopolitics, history, economics, etc. because this current phenomenon that's got you clutching your pearls doesn't define the entire history of that region. You can't talk about the current state of the middle east without going back at least as far as the fall of the Ottoman Empire. The current relationship that Europe has with Islam is directly tied to its relationship with the last global Islamic power. You can't talk about America's relationship with Iran today without talking about our relationship with Iran in the the first half of the 20th Century.

Yes, we are ahead of the Middle East in terms of "social progression", but saying that you can just point to the tenets of Islam as the primary reason for that is just wrong.



"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

  

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130. "goddamn you're boring"
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132. "So...I should make my responses more spicy? Like you?"
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Even if they're devoid of critical thinking? Like you?



"All the world's a stage,
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They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

  

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139. "shouldve at least served up some spiced tofu"
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you slippin'

.
http://perspectivesudans.blogspot.com/
i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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155. "goddamn you're a dumb fuck...."
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141. "It needs to be talked about much more - but guess what?"
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>>(with the help of the
>>NeoCon Cowboy regime which left a void in the region to be
>>exploited by such groups)
>
>Weapons/training etc...all provided by Western powers

Jeb Bush is bringing in the same foreign policy team who created that monstrosity into his team - and Hill-dog Clinton agreed w/ that foreign policy initiative and is a war-hawk in her own right, so the conversation must be pushed more demonstrably. The fact that anyone would get excited for these status-quo candidates is beyond absurd - and carries dangerous implications for what will continue to occur in the middle-east and Iran after Obama leaves office.

>People point and say well, Islam needs to get its act
>together, if they stood together and did yada yada yada.

Well - there is some truth to that. It's not a one or the other type of situation. Western involvement has caused that region to reel into chaos - but not on its own -- it took willing participants who are also the responsible parties who hurled the middle east into chaos. It's not the West's fault that more than half of the Iraqi population favors stoning and public execution for instances of "adultery" - it's not the West's fault that women can't drive or leave their country without approval of a man in Saudi Arabia - and it's not (just) the West's fault that a caliphate narrative is running rampant and "convert or die" extremists are hijacking entire countries. It is both a problem of corrupted Western involvement *and* Islamist extremism - and both should be called out, unapologetically.

It's funny because I hear a lot of young liberals who aren't very informed on the conditions in some of these countries defend and/or apologize for the radical islamist ideology that has pervaded in the middle east - and many of those young liberals would be imprisoned and/or executed in those regions that they unknowingly apologize for. That's where people like Maajid Nawaz are so important - because it's going to take young progressive Muslims to fix the region - the West can't and shouldn't intervene any further in their affairs --- at some point, their house has to be put in order by them.






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142. "good posting, man"
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244. "it's also not islam's fault"
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just like nobody blames the bible for white supremacy or slavery here

Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

Building repetoires (c) spm since 1983

  

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33. "Ayaan Hirsi Ali rides #DatTrain. FOH."
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and atop that, "defending Islam" usually means a reaction to rampant Islamophobia, defending innocent Muslims from being painted with the same shade of bullshit that other marginalized groups get painted, because extremists fuck shit up on the reg.

  

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38. "i understand why personally she has such strong"
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feelings, but her analysis public persona is def on that train

  

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56. "word."
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I feel her on the business of FGM, but when you go past that point... smh. Doooom-dun-dun-dunna.

  

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137. "AD HOMINEM. Stick to the argument"
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Don't try the character assassination here. Not here.

  

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154. "man, STFU "
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the argument is bullshit

  

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47. "Okayplayers will ride for Islam. lol"
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51. "it's all part of Satan's plan."
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fuck you.

  

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121. "It's one religion that White people didn't impose on them."
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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50. "#POAST"
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54. "She needs more people"
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There are legit critiques to be made against Islam, but ol' girl is the worst mouth piece available. A lot of her 'prestige' comes from her story, but the more people look at it, the more it falls apart.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/mp-may-be-deported-over-claims-she-lied-to-win-asylum-478265.html

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58. ">ol' girl is the worst mouth piece available"
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^^^^

  

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59. "ok, player"
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maybe she is lying about having her clit cut off.

maybe she is lying about being ostracised by her family
for refusing to submit to allah.

maybe she is lying about the message taped to the knife
lodged in theo van gogh's chest stating she was next.

maybe she is lying about having to go everywhere with
security because she had a hit put on her for 'insulting' islam.

maybe everyone is lying when they say that islam causes more
problems than it solves.

If you're innocent, be cool.
Only the guilty's catchin' offence.

  

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150. "RE: ok, player"
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FGM is practised amongst many non-muslim people and being ostracized by the family due to religion is not unique to islam.

  

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166. "when was the last time somebody had"
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a hit put on them for insulting christianity?

when as the last time somebody was killed for insulting
jesus?

i'm surprised there's still enough straws left to clutch. but carry on.

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63. "btw, this is more a cultural practice in somalia"
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> and also a woman who had her clit cut off in the
>name of islam.

it actually predates islam and is practiced by both xtian and muslims as well.
doesnt mean that i am defending it (it clearly needs to stop)
but lets at least get some facts straight.

.
http://perspectivesudans.blogspot.com/
i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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64. "Christians who talk about the violent natures of Islam don't know"
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anything about Christian history. The Crusades, Inquisition, Colonization, etc. all done in the name of Christianity.


If the statement is that there is a violent strand of Islam being practiced today by certain sect of muslims, I can ride for that statement and it is true.

To say that Islam is some how more inherently violent that Christianity is just bullshit.

The dumbassedness of this post is not realizing that this sort of guilty by association is what has been fucking black people for years.




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66. "Is the Bible more violent than the Quran? (c) NPR (link)"
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http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=124494788

fuck you.

  

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68. "nah, ALL religions are steeped in violence"
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you've even got buddhists hacking up people.

i'm not here to argue that one religion is more inherently violent
than the other. i really don't give a fuck about that.

religion has been one of the biggest causes of misery and despair
in history, ever since the day man created it. (emphasis on 'man').

however, at the minute, islam is causing more problems than any other religion and people who say otherwise are being disingenuous.

If you're innocent, be cool.
Only the guilty's catchin' offence.

  

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71. "Well i respect the consistency. I'd modify your statement though"
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I think it's the practice of a virulent strand of Islam is causing more problems in the world today than other religions.


The truth is personally I think it's all a distraction from the root cause of the problem which is poverty and inequality but that's another post.





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77. "nah, it doesn't need modifying"
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islam IS causing the most problems at the minute. whether it's
a special violent strand or not, islam is still at the root of it.

poverty and a shitty way of life obviously contribute to this, but
not all of it. poverty doesn't make people strap bombs to babies
and march them into a hospital or a mosque of people who hold
different beliefs.

If you're innocent, be cool.
Only the guilty's catchin' offence.

  

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70. "the bible: first written accounts of genocide, imo"
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maybe i shouldnt say first written, but certainly first printed account of genocide
(thanks to guternberg and 'em)

.
http://perspectivesudans.blogspot.com/
i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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76. "How many people engaged you sensibly & similarly prior to reply #27"
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& yet, you choose to agree 100% there?

Are you white/atheist & just want to argue or is this all a coincidence??

I only had a granny smith apple, a KIND bar, & some water for lunch so I could be projecting here but this has SEENT written all over it dude lol.

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78. "you peep that too eh?"
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~~~~
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80. "Hi lady!!...And girl, I KNOW you see it lol."
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nm

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100. "*waves*"
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sheeeit
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81. "He just wants to argue, lol"
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~Experience is the currency of the soul.

  

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79. "Religion is the problem."
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Anyone who singled out Islam as a problem is a blithering fucking idiot who should make posts or write articles lol

I don't think there is a solution. A modernized more forward thinking Islam or any religion for that matter isn't in the horizon anytime soon.
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82. "how many schools were blown up this year in the"
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name of buddhism?

how many people were killed this year for depicting an image of vishnu? or jesus?

how many young girls were raped and enslaved this year by radical hindu groups?

If you're innocent, be cool.
Only the guilty's catchin' offence.

  

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90. "You're both wrong."
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Religion is a fine concept it's just not being used properly.

Religion was conceived by indigenous people who wanted to commune with nature. They wanted to offer thanks/praise to the unseen forces which govern existence.

The first religious relic was a simple stone as it represents the alchemical transformation of unseen forces into something material. That transformation/essence is what religion was invented for to commune with.

There are violent monks that take lives.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/11/burma-buddhists-jailed-mob-attacks

People kill in the name of anything. Religion is not exclusive. People will kill each-other over metaphysical, spiritual, tangible, intangible, or irrational reasons.

Religion is a tool and we have lost the instruction manual.

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91. "i thought you never told somebody they're wrong"
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you've changed, 'tek.

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92. "You're discussing information which is based on facts, not opinion."
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Facts have right and wrong's. You are entitled to your bigoted opinion but you have absolutely no command of any facts, Jim.

You need to educate yourself because you don't know anything.

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95. "thanks, tek"
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If you're innocent, be cool.
Only the guilty's catchin' offence.

  

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96. "you're welcome, Jim."
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I didn't know you were a troll up until this post, lol. Good luck with all that.

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97. "nah i just troll you, 'tek"
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i'm high and i'm not gonna blow my buzz trying to discuss
something with you.

i'd rather listen to your music than do that.

SHOTZ FIRED

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98. "you're trolling hard in here fam."
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and honestly, it's getting a little embarrassing, and only because you literally don't know a thing about Islam.

>i'm high and i'm not gonna blow my buzz trying to discuss
>something with you.

i come with knowledge fam, i put years into learning all this stuff. i'm a resource, i have been down the road you're on now and i can tell you that it's fruitless and not based on fact/truth.

>
>i'd rather listen to your music than do that.
>
>SHOTZ FIRED


ha!

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103. "i hope that one day i can reach your level of wisdom, tek"
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until then, pray for me

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105. "start with knowledge, jim"
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wisdom != knowledge

wisdom = knowing what to do with knowledge, the application of, to build one's character from potential, into potency.

secondly, i don't need to pray for for you as that would be impractical, but i can literally refer you to material on Islam that will educate you, but that would mean that you would need to be interested in actually learning, jim.

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107. "sure"
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inbox me them. i'll give them a read as soon as i finish
listening to your music

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112. "Jim"
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You called my music out, heard that I was no slouch and were forced to revert to this:

>inbox me them. i'll give them a read as soon as i finish
>listening to your music


Wouldn't it feel better to spread love and tolerance as opposed to bigotry?

Something has to be up and it's not Islam. You're projecting something deeply unsettling unto yourself in the form of misplaced anger against things you clearly do not understand.

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102. "RE: how many schools were blown up this year in the"
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>name of buddhism?
>
>how many people were killed this year for depicting an image
>of vishnu? or jesus?
>
>how many young girls were raped and enslaved this year by
>radical hindu groups?


Key portion of this "THIS YEAR"

Search through history (and you don't have to dig far back)...

How many million Afrikans were killed during Triangle slave trade in the name of Jesus?

How many houses/churches/schools were burned down by the KKK in the name of the Lawd?

How many altar boys have been raped by priests, sanctioned by the Catholic church?

Doing evil in the name of God is wrong, no matter what the name or form of God you serve is. For you to Throw Islam under the bus in the way that you have in this post is very shady at best.

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167. "Religion is a scapegoat. Its greed, power, land, resources, etc."
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Muslims, Jews and Christians have lived peaceful together in many eras and places.

You look at most of these wars and beefs, the central, driving motive is almost always something else, and then Religion is thrown on top to justify it.

  

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85. "What I find most interesting about these discussions is..."
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...how the language of the thesis statement -- that Islam is specifically irreconcilable with modern Western values -- mutates into a position that all organized religions are actually a problem, but Islam is the primary offender in the world today.

It's great, because you can start as a religious bigot with very narrow focus, but then comfort your audience by taking a much more 'reasonable' tact that attacks all faiths broadly, so they don't feel like they've engaged anyone who's unreasonable or irrational.

It's a wonderful semantic journey you've established here. Kudos.

  

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89. "thanks?"
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although there has been no mutation in what i've said.

this topic was supposed to be specifically about islam, but
the "whatabout" birgade started firing questions at me like,
"WHAT ABOUT (insert other religion)'s PRACTICES?!?" "WHAT ABOUT THE
PEOPLE WHO DIED BECAUSE OF (insert other religion)?!"

i've said it before and i'll say it again. religion causes more problems
than it solves.

it's just in today's day and age, islam is causing a shit load more problems than any other religion.

If you're innocent, be cool.
Only the guilty's catchin' offence.

  

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93. "No."
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World War I was not a religious war.

World War II was not a religious war.

The Korean War has nothing to do with Islam.

Viet Nam? No Islam.

Mao's Great Leap Forward? Hm. No Islam there.

Stalin's purges? Wow. Not a single Islam.

Pol Pot? Give me a few minutes... no, I can't find the Islam.

Add up all the dead from 20th century warfare and tally them against current ongoing low-intensity warfare worldwide, then come talk to me about how THE ISLAMZ RUINSES EVERYTHING.

I'm Jewish and Zionist and would never -- NEVER -- posit that Islam isn't compatible with Western values. Mainly because 'Western values' didn't even exist in their current formulation until 1947, prior to which 'tolerance' and 'diversity' were given no clear value in Western societies at all, whereas they have deep, traditional roots in largely Islamic societies of The Levant and Maghreb.

People will rationalize whatever they can to convince themselves they're not bad people when they go to sleep at night. When it's not religion, it's politics, philosophy, nationalism, or racism.

Grow up.

  

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99. "THIS"
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>People will rationalize whatever they can to convince
>themselves they're not bad people when they go to sleep at
>night. When it's not religion, it's politics, philosophy,
>nationalism, or racism.
>
>Grow up.


hes a bad person at the moment
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101. "ah, the whatabout brigade strikes again"
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thing is, no matter how many times you effectively say,
"WELL, WHAT ABOUT THIS" or "WHAT ABOUT THAT" and list all
the bad things that have happened without islam's involvement,
it isn't gonna change my mind.

this thread has highlighted my point. so called liberals will go
out of their way to defend islam because they feel it's their
duty to stand up for the little guy.

even if that little guy is raping and enslaving children and
stoning women to death or blowing up mosques of a 'rival' islamic
faction.

stop living in the past. let's confront today's problems. radical
islam is more of a threat these days than radical christianity
or radical buddhism.

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106. "RE: ah, the whatabout brigade strikes again"
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>stop living in the past. let's confront today's problems.
>radical
>islam is more of a threat these days than radical
>christianity
>or radical buddhism.

OH SHIT THAT RADICAL ISLAMIC AIRCRAFT CARRIER FLEET EN ROUTE TO get the fuck out of here.

YOU are today's problems, because the only idea you can come up with is the same craven xenophobic rhetoric that's been dished out by conservatives for fucking DECADES.


  

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111. "heh"
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>YOU are today's problems,
>

i've gotta admit, that's the first time somebody's referred to
me as "today's problems"

this poast went better than expected

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115. "QUICK! YOU MUST SHARE YOUR MESSAGE WITH THE WORLD!"
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DON'T JUST KEEP IT TO YOURSELF!

THINK OF ALL THE LIVES YOU'D SAVE!

YOU'RE LIKE THE MEASLES VACCINE MINUS THE AUTISTIC SIDE EFFECTS!!!

  

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133. "(O_o)....(o_O)....(O_O)..."
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http://gifsec.com/wp-content/uploads/GIF/2014/08/Cruise-missile-strike-GIF.gif

"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

  

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94. "extremists are the problem"
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not islam
and there are extremists in everything
just ask the tea party
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104. "there wouldn't be islamic extremists if there wasn't islam"
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that's like saying nazis are the problem, not nazism

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108. "There are Catholic and Protestant extremists in Ireland"
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Christian extremists in the US take the shape of the Klan (them dudes are sooooper religious).

what are you really saying???

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116. "he's babbling at this point"
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~~~~
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109. "the only practical solution to what you just said would be to"
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kill everyone on planet earth. lol

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113. "Ok, there wouldn't be black on black crime if there weren't black people"
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>that's like saying nazis are the problem, not nazism

It's not like saying this at all and you know it. There are literally a billion peace loving muslims who find peace in Islam.


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114. "Nah, this is just an excellent troll post. I fell for it too. "
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117. "errytime"
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http://www.puffgames.com/bubblewrap/



but I MUST
*pop*
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118. "that is brilliant idiocy."
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fuck you.

  

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120. "*shrugs*"
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i could have maybe worded it better but it still stands.

arguing on behalf of islam is like cherry picking the
good bits of mein kampf.

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127. "end poast/"
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88. "Glenn Beck: " I unequivocally believe that Islam is a religion of peace&..."
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I saw an interview some years ago with dude where he described Islam as a "beautiful" religion.


... not exactly the type of guy you would expect to say such things about Islam.

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119. "this post is probably a reflection of the rising european xenophobia"
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re-emergence?
resurgence?

i shouldnt be surprised at all.

its quite disturbing

.
http://perspectivesudans.blogspot.com/
i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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122. "nah"
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it's a reflection of people who are fed up of so called
liberals making excuses for islam.

not one person has even discussed the interview with ayaan hirsi ali -
a woman who's had WAAY more experience with radical islam than anyone here.

instead people are calling me bad, bigoted, the cause of all problems,
xenophobic, ignorant etc. etc.

but whatever. i don't mind standing alone on this.

people troll the fuck out of case_one and his beliefs, but as
soon as islam's mentioned it's like, "THAT AIN'T FUNNY, MOTHERFUCKER! PEOPLE REALLY LIKE ISLAM AND YOU SHOULD RESPECT THAT!"

nah, i'll continue to ridicule it. thanks to all the liberals
above who proved exactly what ayaan was saying though.


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143. "some of us dont find ayaan credible, so wtf should we discuss her views?"
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>not one person has even discussed the interview with ayaan
>hirsi ali -
>a woman who's had WAAY more experience with radical islam than
>anyone here.

no she doesnt
do you really know anything about ayaan hirsi?
lol@ way more experience. you have low standards

and since when did she become the expert go to voice on islam?

this is just daftness at this point

.
http://perspectivesudans.blogspot.com/
i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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147. "keep those eyes shut and those fingers in your ears"
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are you sure you're not a muslim? because this is some serious, serious deflecting.

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195. "let me confess then, Oui, je suis musilman"
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>are you sure you're not a muslim? because this is some
>serious, serious deflecting.


happy?
now how does that change the fact that ayaan hirsi ali is not someone i find credible?
its clear you dont know anything about her either.
you are just happy parotting those whose views accord to yours.
its fine to bury your head in the sand, but stop pretending to be oblivious

.
http://perspectivesudans.blogspot.com/
i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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146. "Ali was being way more reasonable in the interview than you are here. "
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"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

  

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124. "it is, yes."
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fuck you.

  

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129. "why are you taking all these bullets for islam, sowhat?"
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i understand that you've got great reason to dislike christianity,
but why are you going out of your way to defend islam like this?

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136. "b/c i have been blinded by my liberalism"
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and have confused my support w/the underdog w/support for a belief system that seeks only to spread fascism and encourages the use of violence to achieve that goal.

fuck you.

  

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140. "finally a bit of honesty"
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144. "insh'allah, this too shall pass"
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after the insight brought forth by tommy-b
perhaps we shall all soon see the light

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http://perspectivesudans.blogspot.com/
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135. "Islam is no more the problem than Christianity. Religious extremism is ...."
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the issue. You can find all sorts of fucked up things done in the name of religion and you can find all sorts of religious people living virtuously and kindly.

That extremism thrives in places that are insulated from education and opportunity. Religious extremism is not materially different from organized crime. It's an institution and an ideology that fills voids in parts of the world overlooked by central governments and abandoned by the rest of the world. And you may say that there are wealthy people and citizens of industrialized nations attracted to it, but they are the exceptions, the outliers, either that or they have an interest (power, money) at some higher level of the organization.

I just think the problem is painting with a broad brush all things terroristic or extremist as "Islam" or "Muslim." If that were really the case, we'd have a much more serious problem, you'd be talking about 10%-15% of the world's population subscribing to this purported menace.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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138. "when was the last time somebody ran into a office"
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and killed 14 people for drawing jesus?

when was the last time somebody strapped a bomb to
a toddler and marched him into a catholic church in the
hope of killing as many non-protestants as possible?

when was the last time christian terrorists flew a plane
into a building?

we're talking about the here and now, pal. this is what a few of you
aren't getting.

YES, people have committed atrocities in the name of religions
other than islam.

YES, not all muslims are bad.

it's just in today's day and age, radical islam poses a bigger
threat to us than radical christianity.

radical. islam.

today.

not then.

now.

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153. "about 1995 or so - Oklahoma City."
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing#Motivation

fuck you.

  

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157. "no."
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1) that was 20 years ago
2) they weren't motivated by christianity, they were motivated
by their hatred of the governmenent

poor example, do better

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159. "i don't need to."
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i'm not interested in 'winning' this conversation. it's pretty clear to all who read this post that you're off-base here. LOL. i was just trying to entertain this for shits and giggles.

fuck you.

  

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156. "You sound new, like someone who uses the term "double standard" a lot"
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You got massive sections of the globe conquered and colonized in the name of Jesus, his name used to justify enslavement and empire. And don't kick any "what's happened lately?" shit because we pulled that garbage again to justify our most recent wars and we use it to legalize and codify oppression to this day.

You've had violence against all kinds of groups in the name of Jesus over time and recently. Just because no one flew a plane into a building doesn't mean someone didn't burn it down (New Orleans) or blow it up (Oklahoma City).

Like I said, the rise and influence of these groups has had less to do with ideology than it has circumstance. Do you think well-fed, fully enfranchised people have the rage inside them to wage holy war? I have yet to that happen on any sort of significant scale at any point in history with any religion.

And don't think I am some "cant we all just get along" guy with my head in the clouds. My family grew up orthodox Jewish in a Muslim country and was on the ass end of some ass kickings as a result. I could definitely be hateful and resentful, but what would that solve? Even if you were to take the most adversarial position toward Islam, on sheer numbers you would have to want to look for a compromise, a diplomatic solution toward peaceful coexistence.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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165. "*yawns*"
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i already disposed of this 'argument' up there.

i don't give a fuck about what people did in jesus' name 100's
of years ago.

yes, christianity has undoubtedly caused more deaths than islam has.

yes, many more people have suffered because of crazy christians
than crazy muslims.

but... i. am. talking. about. today. to-day.

what poses a bigger threat? radical islam or radical christianity?

islamic terrorists kill more people each day than the KKK has done
in 70 years.

why is it so hard to admit that, in today's day and age,
one religion may just be causing a few more problems than the
others?

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189. "1) i obviated that by providing contemporary examples 2) ..."
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you are not seeing the forest through the trees, islam is just a vehicle of angst, disillusion, rage and despair. it is not inherently any of those things.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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148. "so how do we go about eradicating islam?"
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im kind of curious

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151. "They're enamored by its ideas and intentions and the supposed"
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well meaning of those that practice it. Results, consequences and ramifications be damned!

Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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168. "i think it's more about looking out for brown/poor people"
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hence all the "racist!" "bigot!" and "xenophobe!" slanging in here.

muslims are still seen as oppressed, so liberals feel it is
their duty to fight for the underdog. not knowing that they
are only helping to further compound the misery suffered by
muslims here and in islamic countires.

that's why people are getting so worked up. because they
feel as if i am "punching down," so to speak.

it's also why they keep bringing up christianity and the evil, imperialist west and all the crimes the white man has committed.

not knowing that the people they are standing up for would kill
them and everyone they loved just because it says so in their
book.

i've enjoyed it though, my arguments have been sharpened and i've
hopefully got people to think about islam differently.

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Only the guilty's catchin' offence.

  

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152. "this is either a fuckjing bullshit as troll post"
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or you are an ignorant motherfucker.
and i'm not even religious or claim any spiritual belief at the moment
--------
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162. "i hope that one day you can find the right spiritual belief"
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allahu akbar

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158. "okayplayers sure do love themselves some islam"
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good for you, guys.

but none of you have made a compelling argument to defend it.

you've tried. but, nah.

today, radical islam poses a much bigger threat than any other
form of religious extremism.

in march alone islamic extremists killed 1,975 people and
critically injured 2,076 more.

but it's just as bad as christianity, right? lol.

as i said, people will bend over backwards to defend the religion
of peace, despite they're being a huge amount of evidence disparaging
it.

"Mohammed is God's apostle. Those who follow him are harsh
to the unbelievers but merciful to one another"
- Quran 48:29

allahu akbar

If you're innocent, be cool.
Only the guilty's catchin' offence.

  

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161. "for what?"
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there's nothing that we can say that will change your xenophobia, player. we know this.

hopefully you only act out on this xenophobia here as kind of a release. otherwise you'd probably end up like Michael Douglas in Falling Down. LOL

best of luck w/the hate, holmes. maybe you'll be able to hate those dirty towel-heads back to Arabia and Africa! Europe for the Europeans! Heil!

fuck you.

  

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163. "you've given it a good go"
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but have still come up short.

all you can do at this point is scream "xenophobe!" or "bigot!"
despite there being nothing xenophobic or bigoted about my views

i don't have an irrational fear or dislike of islam. i dislike it for the shit it promotes and the shit it instructs people to do.

i'm also not in fear of it as it's highly unlikely that
i'll be killed by islamic terrorists. though a lot of people are
being killed by it. every day.

is ayaan hirsi-ali a bigot also?


If you're innocent, be cool.
Only the guilty's catchin' offence.

  

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164. "sure."
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you keep fuckin that chicken.

fuck you.

  

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175. "LOL @ this:"
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>despite there being nothing xenophobic or bigoted about my
>views

~Experience is the currency of the soul.

  

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199. "No one is screaming bigot. We're pointing out that you're a bigot."
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It really isn't up to you to decide how you're perceived, and you're perceived as a bigot. You can either use that information and reevaluate your views, or you can go on pretending that you're a crusader for truth. Either way, no one is approaching you with any less respect than you show to Muslims, so why don't you be a big boy about this and stop acting so put upon.

  

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170. "Lol there is one poster who would consign u tho"
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He ain't in here

Cuz he's too pussy, because after multiple times getting owned, he don't post abt this topic anymore


Just saying, you do have ppl here who support your insanely stupid worldview

  

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181. "just type his name and walk in the light dude"
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You probably dont see it this way, but what youre doing is the exact same lame shit as the OP did when he was talking about SoWhat without typing it out

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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210. "Wait, two questions. "
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1. This post is abt so what?!

2. Why do u ride so hard for a rabid homophobic and Islam hating poster ? Do y'all go back a ways?

You're usually such a level headed smart poster. For the life of me I can't figure out your position on this.

  

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216. "RE: two answers"
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>1. This post is abt so what?!

Of course it was, and a few others from the original CH post. I disagreed with a lot of the stuff SoWhat and others were saying also, and thats fine. But posts about "some people" and "certain posters" is wack.

>2.why do u ride so hard for a rabid homophobic and Islam
>hating poster ? Do y'all go back a ways?

In a manner of speaking, yes, but its not even about that or even really about you. Its a general board thing. I didnt read your reply closely enough to know who you were even talking about at first. People here can defend themselves anyways. But if someone is gonna throw darts (and i do as well), they should throw the name out instead of vague allusions.

>You're usually such a level headed smart poster. For the life
>of me I can't figure out your position on this.

My position is just that people should say who they are talking about. The weirdo who started this post got called out on it right off the bat and immediately started to deflect. Thats the example of how not to post imo.

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219. "lmfao, stfu"
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you think i care whether i post right or not? this
thread wouldn't have got the amount of replies it did if i
didn't kick things off.

this is the way i like to discuss things on the internet, pal.
sorry it got a bit too confrontational for you, despite you
probably agreeing with everything i said.

plus, i was taking shots at people who defend islam and people
who attempt to stifle and derail the discussion by screaming "islamophobia!" or by using other bullshit diversions.

sowhat took offence to that. so what? he was one of the many people
all up in those threads attempting to rationalise what the CH
killers did. one guy even said that he "admired" their "courage."
why not tell us what you think, cog? rather than bitching about my
posting style.

i've got a good thing going here, so either contribute or remain
on the fence.

If you're innocent, be cool.
Only the guilty's catchin' offence.

  

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238. "i think ur a loser and i dont want to participate in ur "troll for #s" s..."
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So have fun doing numbers...i remember when that was a thing to be proud of 10 years ago

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242. "you've been commenting on these threads for 10 years"
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good for you, man

If you're innocent, be cool.
Only the guilty's catchin' offence.

  

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257. "Thx for the reply"
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Its kinda funny how you knew EXACTLY who I was talking about based on "rabid homophobia" and "Islam hating" etc


Of all the hundreds of OKP members, wondered what narrowed it down


Lmao

  

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172. "nope"
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just hate extremists
which includes you

~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

  

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169. "in other words you are trolling LOL"
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carry on. i'm amazed you have kept this post going this long.

  

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171. "its bartek"
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we've been here many times before

  

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173. "i thought I was Bartek"
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~Experience is the currency of the soul.

  

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182. "je suis bartek?"
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WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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183. "lol"
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~Experience is the currency of the soul.

  

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188. "I thought you were Bartek for sure"
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And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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190. "i'm surprised someone left such a lasting mark on this forum"
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~Experience is the currency of the soul.

  

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245. "that's definitely a bartek thing to say lol"
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Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

Building repetoires (c) spm since 1983

  

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247. "dude just gave himself a compliment passive aggressively lmao"
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WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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254. "i mean i was so sure that i didnt even remark it, like when there was L2..."
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or whatever cold truth's alias was.

dudes are like identical.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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176. "theyll defend any religion they got friends/fam of"
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and I understand that, but it don't make it right at all

and lol to anybody who claims that its not religion that brings the wars/bodies, but the people of it


but then say it IS religion when it comes all the good stuff like art & 'philosophy'


i don't know if its cowardice or just good ol fashion murican idiocy, but I do know its hilarious to read all the apologetic babbling lol

  

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202. "LMAO...no."
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The people of those religions are responsible for those things as well. Religion informs their choices about art, just like it informs their opinions about war, but religion itself isn't "responsible" for starting or creating anything. Religion is a component culture, amongst many other components. Religion can inform someone who wants to ponder the mysteries of existence and being or it can inform someone who wants to kill hundreds of people. Similarly capitalism can drive people to create novel inventions or trap child workers in sweat shops. Of course you'd understand the nuance of that perspective if you weren't such a piece of human smegma.

But you are...so you're going to set up strawmen and act like a fucking twat. Have fun with that.




"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

  

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225. "you just wanna go back to church, don't you uncle tom ;)"
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can't help somebody who sits on top of fences, no backbone to form good stance *shrug*



I'm sure bartek can help shake the sand out that vagina



religion is informs blah blah blah, you robotic house nigga, get a job being a parrot for a kkk member

  

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177. "Perfect place for this cartoon"
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http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/07/a-racist-carrot-reclaims-australia

  

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178. "Girls in Ninja costumes? How can you not love Islam??"
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180. "OMG. LOL"
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fuck you.

  

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185. "this is a hilarious observation."
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they all just wanna ninja! WHO WOULDA FUNK IT

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187. "Sometimes while stoned the NOI chicks in Philly would trip me out"
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I'd be jammin out to Otis Redding on my headphones and catch a glimpse of a group of them over my shoulder and think "OH SHIT, AN ARMY OF NINJAS"

Then I was like "Fa-fa-fa-fa-fa-fa-faaaa-faaaaa-fa-fa, YOUR TURN!"

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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179. "you must not recall learning about the crusades"
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or the spanish inquisition
or slavery
or colonialism

  

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186. ".... WAT? Cocaine is a helluva drug."
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>http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/04/05/ayaan-to-liberals-get-your-priorities-straight.html
>
>This is a good interview with Ayaan Hirsi Ali - a
>woman who had a hit put on her for committing apostasy
>and blasphemy and also a woman who had her clit cut off in the
>name of islam.
>
>i agree with her 100%. some people who identify as liberal
>will jump through all sorts of hoops to defend what they
>believe to be an unfairly maligned religion. in the
>wake of the charlie hebdo attacks we had people on this site
>rationalising what the killers did, with some even supporting
>it.
>
>i get that muslims are viewed by some as an oppressed
>minority, but islam is not compatible with liberal values.
>at all.
>
>islam is about as far-right and fascist as you can possibly
>get.
>the people who believe in it wholeheartedly are
>intolerant of anyone who isn't a hardcore muslim and will
>straight
>up kill you for even daring to point out that they may have
>got it wrong.
>
>acting as if islam isn't a problem won't make the
>threat go away and it's time for true liberals to stand up
>and call bullshit on those who think they're fighting the good
>fight.
>
>allahu akbar

Show us someone supporting the the Charlie Hebdo attacks. The floor is yours.

  

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192. "let me clear some things up"
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this post went poast, and i'm happy about that, though i
feel i should clarify a few of my points. despite me being
pretty clear all through the thread. but whatever.

this poast has pretty much proved my main point. if i would
have made a thread arguing against christianity or one
poking fun at scientologists and their nutty beliefs, things would have gone much differently.

it's cool to poke fun at those cults, but not islam? why does it
get such special treatment? especially from liberals who oppose everything it promotes?

i've posted a few threads about islamic terrorist attacks and
they all went wood. i make one arguing that islam promotes
some fucked up things that a lot of people believe - A LOT, NOT
THE MAJORITY - and it goes poast in less than a day.

i completely understand that the majority of people who subscribe to the religion of pieces ARE generally peaceful in nature and
would never even consider harming another human.

despite all the shit i've had chucked at me in this thread - ranging
from being called a bigotted british xenophobe to, arguably the
worst thing i've ever been called here: bartek - i stand by every
thing i have said.

i stand by the girls who've had their clits cut off in the name of
islam. i stand by those who are forced into marriages
in the name of islam. i stand by all those who've been
threatened with violence for even daring to question islam.

i also stand strongly against those who defend islam and its
practices, and those who give it special treatment because of
their supposed liberal values.

in england there was recently a big controversy
regarding a police investigation into paedophile grooming gangs.
it was found that the majority of perpetrators were of pakistani
descent and self-described as muslim.

however, this fact was brushed under the carpet by the local
police due to fears of being called racist or un-PC.

the information's out there if you yanks care to look. you fat,
lazy, self-important cunts.

j/k. but the info is out there. and i don't really think that of
you yanks. i like you a lot.

i don't stereotype people with broad generalisations
because i'm not xenophobic, bigoted or racist. i go by facts, and
the facts are out there to back up what i'm saying.

the majority of muslims are not violent people. they are decent,
loving people who want nothing more than to live a peaceful life.

we're all human and humans are not inherently bad. nothing in our
genetic make-up predisposes us to commit crimes. not our
skin colour, hair colour, eye colour, nothing. (except brain abnormalities, of course).

however, one thing that CAN manipulate our predisposition to
commit atrocities is the CULTURE in which we ENGAGE with and
the IDEOLOGY in which we are INDOCTRINATED with.

As the saying goes, "good people will do good things and
bad people will do bad things. though, if you want good people
to do bad things, you need religion."
(c) Christopher Hitchens, R.I.P.

why am i singling out islam specifically? because today, in
2015, radical islam is causing more problems than any other
form of religious extremism. this is a fact. more people die each
month as a result of islamically motivated terrorism than all other acts of religious terrorism combined. WAAAAAY more people.

it's pretty funny how worked up some of you are getting over me pointing that out - how one religion may just be causing a few
more problems than the others. LardLad for example. i read all
his posts in the voice of ben affleck when he was on the verge of crying on bill maher's show. screaming "racist!" as he tried to hold
back his tears; spluttering how it's really OUR fault and
how WE'RE to blame and why we should focus on the bad things WE do and blah blah fucking blah. go cry in the corner.

the MAJORITY of muslims are not violent people. the MAJORITY of
muslims class themselves as moderate and the MAJORITY of
muslims would never even consider harming another human - unless it was to defend themselves or their family.

however, a SMALL MINORITY of muslims ARE violent psychopaths for
reasons that can only be attributed to the CULTURE in which they are
ENGAGED and the IDEOLOGY which they are INDOCTRINATED with.

for arguments sake, let's say this SMALL MINORITY accounts for 5%
of the muslim population. this SMALL MINORITY includes people like the terrorists who flew the planes into the twin towers and the
terrorists who blow themselves up in schools, hospitals, churches
and mosques every day in the hope of receiving a greater
reward from allah.

a LARGER MINORITY of muslims - let's say, 10% - would never commit such atrocities, although they feel said atrocities are justified.

an even larger minority - say, 15% - believe that sharia should be used to rule all countries. the law which states that
women should be stoned to death and that children should have
their hands cut off.

20% wouldn't impose sharia themselves, though they still
consider it to be the most morally superior code of ethics ever invented and would welcome it being applied in the country
in which they live.

i estimated these percentages based on a study of muslim beliefs
by pewresearch, and, looking at the report now, i have been very,
very generous. for example, 92% of tunisian muslims believe
the wife to be property of the husband. 86% of egyptian muslims believe people who leave islam should be killed. 41% of
pakistani muslims believe terrorist attacks in america are
justified. 32% of turkish muslims believe "honour killing" to be an acceptable form of punishment, and 27% of british muslims feel the
7/7 and charlie hebdo attacks were justified.
(http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf)

pretty disturbing really. especially considering the stats
i presented where from the more socially advanced countries. they
get a whole lot worse in the more regressive countries
where governments are made up of islamic extremists.

it makes sense, though. being indoctrinated with perverted
beliefs day in, day out increases the likelihood of developing dangerous attitudes - dangerous attitudes that eventually
manifest into dangerous behaviour.

it isn't about poverty or western intervention. it's about a
barbaric ideology that has been deluding people into committing
horrific acts of violence ever since allah sent down the angel
gabriel to pass his message onto mohammed - a violent, illiterate
paedophile.

ok, i'm done now. hopefully that's cleared a few things up and
shed some light on the points i was raising. i didn't expect
people to ride this hard for islam, though i guess i shouldn't have
expected any different.

meh

allahu akbar

peace

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193. "How is islam a cult?"
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194. "smh"
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you're a stupid cunt bro. embrace it i guess. shrug.

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197. "+1UP for this post & +1UP for clowning barteks music lol"
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this post was great, a lot of folks showin them panties for sure


all of the fairy tales are silly but islam is poppin right now, why y'all get so mad somebody said it lol

  

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201. "individuals that revel in hatred and bigotry"
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are destined to live unfortunate and grief filled lives. good luck to both of you, you will need it.

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204. "If they really gave a fuck they'd start a crusade."
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But they're just a bunch of internet warriors getting irate because Abdul and Yassin are fucking some Euro chicks.

Islam has to be eradicated right? Well how are you going to eradicate it if they're willing to fight, but the best the west has is some whiny internet hoes.


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And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

  

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205. "nothing they said is based on any facts"
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it's literally just ignorance and hatred. not worth debating with either of them. it's a clear case of trolling as many people including you and myself have attempted to peacefully and calmly offer information which negates the hatred, but they refuse to think and are now forced to spew the same nonsense over and over again. when you really break it down, tommy is causing more damage to himself than anyone else.

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206. "yet, y'all two enlightened love birds fall for it everytime lol"
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who would've ever thought


a coke head whiteboy who makes trash music courting a house nigga confused about if he should follow the tooth fairy or accept reality.


so friggin cute


Y'all both were so obviously trolled but still fall for it in front of everybody lol


all that talk about love & peace n shit but callin people cunts n shit. At least I admit I was trollin y'all, but y'all can't admit how dumb you are for fallin for it


very subtle ladies

  

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207. "I honestly wish you well bro."
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your heart is so full of hate. i'm sure your life is exactly where you want it to be and that you are full of love and happiness on a daily basis.

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215. "the only thing we hate is your music, tek"
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based on the fact that it sucks

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217. "he actually had a couple house tunes i was kinda feeling lol"
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WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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221. "What about his other tracks lol. super butt"
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203. "How the fuck you gonna say I'm crying when you post like a bitch."
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You just posted a long ass tirade whining like a fucking ho because people called you out on your idiocy. How fucking stupid do you have to be to think that not foaming with hatred of Islam is the same as endorsing female genital mutilation? You aren't a brave defender of truth. The rest of us are capable of being against shit like suicide bombing without also being bigots.

Your whole schtick is fucking amazing, and I genuinely hope that by the time you're an old man (if you haven't already drowned from staring up at the sky when it rains) that every single person in your neighborhood is a Muslim and you can't go a week without hearing the call to prayer bellowing from at least 4 nearby mosques.

God you're a dumb cunt.

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209. "the funny shit is people keep quoting a racist cartoon yet"
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act like Mayamar and the Central Afrrican Republic didn't even happen.

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208. "aint nobody checking for that broad"
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This is a good interview with Ayaan Hirsi Ali - a
woman who had a hit put on her for committing apostasy
and blasphemy and also a woman who had her clit cut off in the name of islam.

i agree with her 100%. some people who identify as liberal
will jump through all sorts of hoops to defend what they
believe to be an unfairly maligned religion.


- uh, okay

in the wake of the charlie hebdo attacks we had people on this site rationalising what the killers did, with some even supporting it.


- not the kid. now would I rationalize what is going on in Central African Republic or Mayamar.

i get that muslims are viewed by some as an oppressed
minority, but islam is not compatible with liberal values.
at all.

- and this affects you how enough to care?

islam is about as far-right and fascist as you can possibly get.

- some interpretations

the people who believe in it wholeheartedly are
intolerant of anyone who isn't a hardcore muslim and will straight
up kill you for even daring to point out that they may have got it wrong.

- sounds the other way around. people working so hard to hate on a religion and people that have no cultural impact on their life.

acting as if islam isn't a problem won't make the
threat go away and it's time for true liberals to stand up
and call bullshit on those who think they're fighting the good fight.

- you aint kicking up no dust so trust we couldn't care less.

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211. "^^^Has women in beekeeper suits as an Instagram page LOL"
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now this is fuckin priceless.


nigga really got art of the VERY symbol of islamic oppression on his i love me page


i don't know what god cranks out more morons anymore, the zombie that loves whores or the jihadi homophobic pedophile


silver lining tho; people are leaving both churches in droves just by being themselves lol

  

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213. "because women choose to cover themselves they are oppressed?"
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what kind of sense does that even make?

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218. "lmfao"
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that's fucking ridiculous.

this is why i didn't continue the 'argument' with akon up there.

there's no point trying to have a rational discussion with
muslims who fail to see anything wrong with their ideology.

you're so in awe of islam that you'll dismiss any criticism that comes
its way. choosing instead to deflect blame and focus it on someone
else.

even if that means trying to discredit ayaan hirsi-ali - a woman who
has to watch her back 24/7 because of crazy muslims - or attempting
to promote the idea that women feel liberated in a black veil they
are forced to wear because they are classed as property.

to be fair, though. i respect you more than, say, lardlad. because
at least you're attempting to come out and defend your beliefs -
albeit poorly - whereas he's just crying and getting hysterical,
screaming "islamophobia!" in the hope of stifling discussion.

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222. "RE: lmfao"
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>that's fucking ridiculous.

- i agree, this post is ridiculous

>this is why i didn't continue the 'argument' with akon up
>there.

- brilliant

>there's no point trying to have a rational discussion with
>muslims who fail to see anything wrong with their ideology.

- then this should be a short conversation

>you're so in awe of islam that you'll dismiss any criticism
>that comes its way. choosing instead to deflect blame and focus it on someone else.

- and I am blaming whom for what?


>even if that means trying to discredit ayaan hirsi-ali - a woman who has to watch her back 24/7 because of crazy muslims - or attempting to promote the idea that women feel liberated in a black veil they are forced to wear because they are classed as property.

- she is Ann Coulter in black face and I can't speak for her upbringing is Somalia but that does not reflect Islam as a whole.

>to be fair, though. i respect you more than, say, lardlad.
because at least you're attempting to come out and defend your beliefs albeit poorly - whereas he's just crying and getting hysterical,screaming "islamophobia!" in the hope of stifling discussion.

- well your existence, nor hers for that matter does me no favors. Islam is growing faster than any other belief or non-belief system so we gonna be alright. I have nothing to prove to you and this broad is a known liar and constant victim to stay in the spotlight. The things people do for fame, if anything I feel sorry for her.
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223. "can you admit that your prophet"
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raped a 6 year old girl and forced her into marriage?

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224. "can you admit that cutting off children's hands"
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may not be the best punishment for stealing?

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226. "can you admit that it may be silly"
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to kill those who want to leave islam?

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230. "RE: can you admit that it may be silly"
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>to kill those who want to leave islam?

yes

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229. "RE: can you admit that cutting off children's hands"
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>may not be the best punishment for stealing?

yes

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228. "can you admit"
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you have no proof of this?

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233. "no."
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because i do.

have a look in the bukhari part of your hadith, section 62:18.
it details how aisha's father was a bit unsure about letting his
6 year old daughter marry mohammed. as you would be, i guess.

in bukhari 58:234 the details of mohammed and aisha's wedding
are detailed.

the details of their sex life are detailed in bukhari 60:311,
muslim 8:3424 and bukhari 4:232 - this last section holds a
particularly inspiring verse about mohammed ordering aisha to
wash semen off his clothes.

i hope this helped.

alayi as-salam, may peace be upon him.

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235. "RE: no."
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>because i do.
>
>have a look in the bukhari part of your hadith, section
>62:18.

- Narrated Abu Huraira:

I heard Allah's Messenger (ï·º) saying, "Anybody who spends a pair of something in Allah's Cause will be called from all the gates of Paradise, "O Allah's slave! This is good.' He who is amongst those who pray will be called from the gate of the prayer (in Paradise) and he who is from the people of Jihad will be called from the gate of Jihad, and he who is from those' who give in charity (i.e. Zakat) will be called from the gate of charity, and he who is amongst those who observe fast will be called from the gate of fasting, the gate of Raiyan." Abu Bakr said, "He who is called from all those gates will need nothing," He added, "Will anyone be called from all those gates, O Allah's Messenger (ï·º)?" He said, "Yes, and I hope you will be among those, O Abu Bakr."


>it details how aisha's father was a bit unsure about letting his 6 year old daughter marry mohammed. as you would be, i guess.

- http://www.nairaland.com/450419/age-marriage-medieval-times-paedophilia
-- The age of consent in one of the American States was just 7 years, just 120 years ago!

>in bukhari 58:234 the details of mohammed and aisha's wedding
>are detailed.

- Narated By 'Aisha : The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.

>the details of their sex life are detailed in bukhari 60:311,

- Narrated Aisha:

I used to look down upon those ladies who had given themselves to Allah's Apostle and I used to say, "Can a lady give herself (to a man)?" But when Allah revealed: "You (O Muhammad) can postpone (the turn of) whom you will of them (your wives), and you may receive any of them whom you will; and there is no blame on you if you invite one whose turn you have set aside (temporarily).' (33.51) I said (to the Prophet), "I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires."


>muslim 8:3424

- ' A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Sahla bint Suhail came to Allah's Apostle (may peace be eupon him) and said: Messengerof Allah, I see on the face of Abu Hudhaifa (signs of disgust) on entering of Salim (who is an ally) into (our house), whereupon Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: Suckle him.She said: How can I suckle him as he is a grown-up man?Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) smiled and said: I already know that he is a young man 'Amr has made this addition in his narration that he participated in the Battle of Badr and in the narration of Ibn 'Umar (the words are): Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) laughed.

and bukhari 4:232 - this last section holds a
>particularly inspiring verse about mohammed ordering aisha to
>wash semen off his clothes.

- Narrated 'Amr bin Maimun:

I heard Sulaiman bin Yasar talking about the clothes soiled with semen. He said that 'Aisha had said, "I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah's Apostle and he would go for the prayers while water spots were still visible on them.

>i hope this helped.

- the last one you are reaching to insinuate she was 9 years old when mentioning washing his clothes.

>alayi as-salam, may peace be upon him.

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237. "^ defending a paedophile who raped a 6-year old"
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240. "^ misstating facts to push your islamopobic agenda"
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232. "Tommy-B Can You Admit"
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that Buddhist practice genocide against Muslims?

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249. "yes"
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yes i can.

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212. "so whats the solution?"
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to the islamic scourge?

  

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220. "1) more honesty from both liberals and muslims alike."
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2) more fact-based argument

3) less "whatabout?!?!" diversion tactics

4) less crying and hysteria

5) less bartek

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253. "i dont understand how that "fixes" anything"
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how does that stop islamic extremism?

how does that stop the Saudis, Kuwaitis and Qataris from doing what they are doing?

How does that stop the Iranians doing from what they are doing?

How does that stop Russia and the US from using the Shia/Sunni conflict as a tool to push their agenda?

  

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255. "honesty is the only way this can be overcome"
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islam needs a reformation to decide what can stay and what
can go.

we need moderate muslims coming out and renouncing
everything islamic extremists stand for - people like ayaan
hirsi-ali and maajid nawaz. this will undoubtedly
bring upon a bigger civil war, but fuck it, it's gotta happen someday.

what the west should do i'm not really sure. we went steaming in
there before and it didn't work out... so i guess maybe just
lend support to the moderate muslims and aid them until they win.
make sure that the good guys get the power and use it to do good
things.

a decent country cannot be based on the words of the koran. either
they turn secular or they remain as they are.

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256. "moderate muslims denounce it everyday"
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i feel where you are wrong in your opinion is that islam is not the issue, that just the flavor of the week. the problem is islam is the current tool that used to achieve whatever purposes of the people with the money



  

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258. "i know they do, they're just not doing enough"
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Thu Apr-09-15 11:34 AM by Tommy-B

  

          

they're putting the ideas out there, sure. but where's all the
protests by moderate muslims denouncing the atrocities committed
in their religion's name?

when charlie hebdo happened, there were protesters world
wide denouncing the fucking magazine for choosing to put a cartoon
on the front page.

how is islam not at fault here? i'm glad zaire turned up to help
me laugh at people because i thought i'd entered the twilight zone
for a minute.

i know that islam offers an outlet for angry and disenfranchised
muslims. i know that islam is used as a vehicle for politics,
money and power.

i haven't denied any of this. what i AM denying is that the islamic
IDEOLOGY - and its millions of followers' ardent belief in it -
isn't causing major, major problems.

religion infects people and can turn them into deluded, violent,
bloodthirsty psychopaths. if you wanna be religious, fine. if
you wanna be a muslim - although i'm not sure why you'd would -
that's also fine.

but don't passively sit back and act as if this shit isn't
happening. that there isn't groups like isis and boko harm who take their instruction directly from allah and mohammed. that there
aren't cultures which exclude non-muslims - or infidels, as they call us - which harbour and nurture many damaging ideas.

why weren't people riding this hard for scientology in that other
thread?



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Backbone
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227. "How is a thread like this supposed to contribute to a liberal secular so..."
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Because from what I see, you managed to:

- insult Muslims
- insult secular liberals
- conflate Islamic practice with cultural practice, demonstrating a lack of nuance and/or knowledge
- embrace a public figure that has a very questionable relationship with liberalism AND whose general integrity is not quite uncontested
- do not much else besides that

Oh and even Hirsi Ali is slowly moving away from the 'no such thing as a moderate Muslim' dogma that permeates your reasoning.

If your intent is just to generate views & replies, congratulations. If your intent was to help promote liberal and secular values among Muslims and society in general, please take a few steps back, because you really aren't helping at all.

Here are some links to organisations & people that you might find inspiring:

http://www.quilliamfoundation.org/ (Maajid Nawaz' anti-radical platform)
https://www.facebook.com/WomenForFemen?fref=ts (Muslim & Ex-Muslim women for secularism)
https://twitter.com/iyad_elbaghdadi Just someone to follow on twitter if you want to see an example of a Muslim actively working for reformation of and against fundamentalism.

Maybe you already knew of these, but from the tone and arguments you use, it looks like you could use a bit more inspiration from them.

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231. "people just have nothing better to do with their time"
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>Because from what I see, you managed to:
>
>- insult Muslims
>- insult secular liberals
>- conflate Islamic practice with cultural practice,
>demonstrating a lack of nuance and/or knowledge
>- embrace a public figure that has a very questionable
>relationship with liberalism AND whose general integrity is
>not quite uncontested
>- do not much else besides that
>
>Oh and even Hirsi Ali is slowly moving away from the 'no such
>thing as a moderate Muslim' dogma that permeates your
>reasoning.
>
>If your intent is just to generate views & replies,
>congratulations. If your intent was to help promote liberal
>and secular values among Muslims and society in general,
>please take a few steps back, because you really aren't
>helping at all.
>
>Here are some links to organisations & people that you might
>find inspiring:
>
>http://www.quilliamfoundation.org/ (Maajid Nawaz' anti-radical
>platform)
>https://www.facebook.com/WomenForFemen?fref=ts (Muslim &
>Ex-Muslim women for secularism)
>https://twitter.com/iyad_elbaghdadi Just someone to follow on
>twitter if you want to see an example of a Muslim actively
>working for reformation of and against fundamentalism.
>
>Maybe you already knew of these, but from the tone and
>arguments you use, it looks like you could use a bit more
>inspiration from them.

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234. "meh"
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Wed Apr-08-15 08:44 AM by Tommy-B

  

          

i've got a few days off, i'm high, why not?

sometimes you've gotta be combative and call out the bullshit
where you see it.

otherwise too much slides - like the aforementioned paedophile gangs
case in england. folks strive so hard to upkeep their liberal values
that they forget the people they're taking bullets for are nasty and
barbaric with dangerous psychotic and sociopathic views.

oh, and i am aware of the links you shared. i greatly support the
work they do.

If you're innocent, be cool.
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236. "RE: meh"
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>i've got a few days off, i'm high, why not?

Because it's counterproductive?

>sometimes you've gotta be combative and call out the bullshit
>where you see it.

From what I remember, 'combative' is your permanent attitude when it concerns Islam. And since plenty of people (have you noticed the state of Western politics over the past decade?) are very combative towards Islam, I'd say it's unnecessary at best. Calling out bullshit is fine, but not by playing into the hands of right wing reactionaries and fundamentalist Muslims alike.

>otherwise too much slides - like the aforementioned paedophile
>gangs
>case in england. folks strive so hard to upkeep their liberal
>values
>that they forget the people they're taking bullets for are
>nasty and
>barbaric with dangerous psychotic and sociopathic views.

You mean the paedophile gang around Jimmy Saville and several other prominent public British figures? Or the scandals involving group homes for vulnerable youth? Cover-ups in the Roman Catholic church? South-East Asian child prostitution gangs serving western tourists?

Before you call me out for 'whataboutery': I'm just trying to illustrate how predatory behavior from adults towards children can hardly be attributed to one religion, or even religion in general. I'm not even saying that the majority Muslim background of the gangs you're probably referring to is of no consequence at all, or that the perpetrators aren't a bunch of sociopathic criminals, just that it makes little sense to wave these crimes in the faces of Muslims & liberals who had *nothing* to do with it them. Also, I have never actually seen any evidence that the local governments were reluctant to intervene in these cases for fear of being 'culturally insensitive'. Plenty of allegations by right wingers, sure. What is pretty much established, though, is that police and social services (the former of which is hardly a bastion of Islam or liberalism!) completely dropped the ball and let the victims rot for quite a while. Rape culture transcends religion.

>oh, and i am aware of the links you shared. i greatly support
>the
>work they do.

Good. I hope you'll consider learning a thing or two from them. Because Maajid Nawaz definitely isn't rubbing Mohammed's supposed pedophilia in Muslims' faces to coax them into liberalism.

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241. "^Thats bullshit and you know it."
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>Cover-ups in the
>Roman Catholic church? South-East Asian child prostitution
>gangs serving western tourists?
>
>Before you call me out for 'whataboutery': I'm just trying to
>illustrate how predatory behavior from adults towards children
>can hardly be attributed to one religion, or even religion in
>general.


^^Bruh, how can you say that this cannot be attributed to religion when you know for a FACT that the Vatican systematically set up a protocol to protect molesters, even wrote it IN DOCTRINE within its specific practice? This catholic blueprint allowed these men to flourish in their acts. And that can't be attributed to the institution?


Thats like saying 'yeah, american slavery was bad, but we can't blame the system of slavery for it to or ' it aint exclusive to america, but just bad people in general'


you sound like a fuckin cop lying on trial for murder


its all the same; a vehicle for the people to do the crime. The vehicle itself has nothing to do with it?


You cowards with a library card are amazing

  

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243. "And you sound like a seventeen year old who just discovered Bill Maher."
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Wed Apr-08-15 11:36 AM by Backbone

  

          

I said rape culture transcends religion. I didn't say religion is of no influence on rape culture.

In the case of abuse in the Roman Catholic church there's lots of factors involved, some religious, some not: celibacy vows, taboos on sexuality in general and homosexuality in particular, concentration of wealth and power towards the upper clergy, lack of democratic oversight in institutions operated by the church, negative attitudes towards male victims of sexual abuse with police and society as a whole, etc.

My Roman Catholic grandparents didn't rape children, nor did they condone it. Some of the victims still identify as Roman Catholic. Are they condoning rape too? Do you actually give a shit about them or are they just convenient for your diatribes against religion?

I don't know if you know anything of my posting history here, but those that do will know that I'm not really a fan of religious thinking or the institutions associated with it. But that antipathy towards orthodoxy and conservatism is the same thing that inspires me to open my mouth when I see people trying to oppress others for their faith.

Call me a liar, call me naive, whatever. I'm a liberal secularist and that's exactly why I can't stand the bullshit coming from the New Atheist camp in the past few years.

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246. "<\post>"
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Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

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250. "I bet your grandparents new nothings about abuse there either huh"
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>My Roman Catholic grandparents didn't rape children, nor did
>they condone it. Some of the victims still identify as Roman
>Catholic. Are they condoning rape too? Do you actually give a
>shit about them or are they just convenient for your diatribes
>against religion?
>



Cus Im sure they did, You are just a coward that can't call a spade a spade because your beloved grandparents where apart of the few who 'didn't know'.


If you believe that then you are naive and if your grandparents told you that then they are fucking liars. Not my problem you can't handle that


which makes you a coward.


At least the 'new atheist groups' can think outside of that weak family reasoning. Stay a docile liberal and watch from the sidelines, its really where the pussies & cheerleaders belong

  

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251. "Alright then."
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*updates database*

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248. "look, man"
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Wed Apr-08-15 12:54 PM by Tommy-B

  

          

i appreciate your response because you're not
being hysterical and resorting to calling me a bigot or
"islamophobe" - like some of the wet wipes in here...

but why does it matter if i'm being combative? why does it
matter if i'm laughing at muslims and their prophet and his six
year old wife?

why does it matter if i'm poking fun at the totalitarian nature
of islam? the ideology which brainwashes people into believing that
women are property who actually feel liberated by having to
wear a fucking black cloak that covers their full body from head to toe every time they leave the house?

the black cloak which keeps them confined to their miserable
existence behind closed doors - the eternal property of their
arranged husband and allah.

i've worked with girls that have run away from their families to
avoid forced marriages. girls whose sisters who'd been killed in england because of "honour killings." girls who had acid thrown in their faces.

the girls who the muslims here would probably brush off as
not "credible" - not unlike all the muslim men in their lives,
including their own family.

this shit happens a lot more than you'd all like to think.
in fact, if you looked at how often it does, you'd be disturbed.
well, hopefully. a lot of you sound soft and happy to live
and let live, just as long as everyone's respectful to one
another's culture - like cognozziso (seeing as he deems it the ultimate disrespect to not call someone out by their name).

the facts are out there if you wanna look. same as the FACTS
which state that many local police departments dismissed claims
by young girls because the people who gang raped
them were described as "asian" or "muslim." the young girls who
were dismissed as untrustworthy, racist sluts.

this is all in the report which i can't dig up now, but i am happy
to share if people wanna see. it's backed up by testimonies
from people in the police department who were actually told not to
investigate the claims because it would ruin "race" relations.
as well as people in the government and people in the local media.

nobody listened to these girls - who were mainly white, though i
doubt they'd give much more of a shit for brown/black girls either -
because "respect" for RACE RELATIONS took precedent.

thing is, this isn't about RACE. this is what a few of the hysterical
ben affleck-in-tears brigade can't seem to grasp because
they're too busy trying to calm themselves down.

i fucking know that white people can be paedophiles. people from
all cultures and creeds can be paedophiles. BUT there is one
particular culture - based on an incredibly anti-western
stance - which promotes dangerous attitudes towards non-muslims -
female non-muslims especially.

IDEAS and IDEOLOGIES warp people. you've got a muslim in here defending that mohammed had a six year old wife. do you know that
in some islamic countries the age of consent to marriage is six? i wonder why that is.

"moderate" muslims will defend some straight up
fucking perverted shit because they are a muslim, and to go against
their religion is the greatest sin they can commit - in the eyes
of allah at least.

"moderate" muslims will let indefensible shit slide and ignore
claims that their ideology is causing problems.

"liberals" will also look the other way because WHITE PEOPLE DO
BAD SHIT TOO AND IT'S RACIST AND BIGOTED AND XENOPHOBIC TO
EVEN QUESTION THE CULTURE OF ANOTHER PERSON, ESPECIALLY THE MUSLIM
HAVE NOTS!!!! *dries tears*

i don't give a fuck who i offend by saying all this. obviously i'm
not as combative in real life, but i still strongly
state my opinion. i like to snark people out - like bartek and
his shit music - BUT, i am passionate about this and i'll go on as i
have. people are getting hurt and ignored because of the uncomfortable
fact that one religion may be a bit more dangerous than the others.

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252. "lol, you sound so hurt "
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you must be white

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259. "^ "women feel liberated being made to wear a black"
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Thu Apr-09-15 11:39 AM by Tommy-B

  

          

veil every time they leave the house"

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239. "this is why i like you. hit the nail square on the head."
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WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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