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"GOP Abstinance Crusaders 17 year old daughter is pregnant (link)"
Sun Apr-05-15 07:31 PM by legsdiamond

          

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/07/10/republican-abstinence-only-crusaders-17-year-old-daughter-is-pregnant/

Gotta teach kids more than abstinance... smh.


States that prescribe abstinence-only sex education programs in public schools have significantly higher teenage pregnancy and birth rates than states with more comprehensive sex education programs, researchers from the University of Georgia have determined.

The researchers looked at teen pregnancy and birth data from 48 U.S. states to evaluate the effectiveness of those states’ approaches to sex education, as prescribed by local laws and policies.

“Our analysis adds to the overwhelming evidence indicating that abstinence-only education does not reduce teen pregnancy rates,” said Kathrin Stanger-Hall, assistant professor of plant biology and biological sciences in the Franklin College of Arts and Sciences.

  

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yo, dude has the "just lost the fight" face
Apr 05th 2015
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that body shot to the ribs
Apr 05th 2015
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I wonder what religious lobby is backing that effort lol
Apr 05th 2015
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more wastes of time trying to prove contradictions in the GOP stance
Apr 05th 2015
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hes gotta point
Apr 05th 2015
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troof
Apr 05th 2015
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oh look, its angry evil man
Apr 05th 2015
10
As a parent I know first hand that you can't be accountable for -
Apr 05th 2015
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^^^nigga proud of that too
Apr 05th 2015
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Been alone for a while huh?
Apr 06th 2015
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it absolutely does.
Apr 05th 2015
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That's not a guarantee. And abstinence is the best prevention.
Apr 06th 2015
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      that isn't realistic bruh
Apr 06th 2015
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      It is realistic, because humans have a choice.
Apr 06th 2015
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      practicing abstinence is fine and a personal choice
Apr 06th 2015
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      That is your opinion.
Apr 06th 2015
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           No, what he said is a factual conclusion reached by people with critical...
Apr 06th 2015
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           that is not an opinion, it is a proven fact
Apr 06th 2015
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           nope, it's a known fact.
Apr 06th 2015
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      was she more or less likely to get pregnant without contraception?
Apr 06th 2015
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honesty has nothing to do with it.. its divorced from reality
Apr 06th 2015
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      So you're just going to cherry pick a word out of context
Apr 06th 2015
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           kind of like how you only adressed the first part of what i said?
Apr 06th 2015
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                This is a hyper-sexual culture, but there is a thing called choice.
Apr 06th 2015
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                     "hyper-sexual culture" = all the more reason to be realistic
Apr 06th 2015
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                     so it might be better to arm teens w/more info.
Apr 06th 2015
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                     yes actually it should
Apr 06th 2015
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                          Yup. It's not like this is just personal, and only involves his kids
Apr 06th 2015
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                               Exactly
Apr 06th 2015
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she should've done the "loophole"
Apr 05th 2015
11
I'm not understanding why some parents are so afraid of coitus.
Apr 06th 2015
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jesus wept!! LMAO!!!
Apr 06th 2015
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*Herman Cain Grin*
Apr 06th 2015
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oops
Apr 06th 2015
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old story....he still won
Apr 06th 2015
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there was a really interesting article in the New Yorker during the '08 ...
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They know a whole lotta girls went to live with family
Apr 06th 2015
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1. "yo, dude has the "just lost the fight" face"
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the one you get when you are punched but you try to play it off like your whole crew didnt just see you get rocked in the mouth

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2. "that body shot to the ribs"
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3. "I wonder what religious lobby is backing that effort lol"
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republicans still gettin them dollars regardless how stupid they look


  

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4. "more wastes of time trying to prove contradictions in the GOP stance"
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look at how much time energy and effort yall spend trying to point out inconsistencies and contradictions within Conservatives as if they give a fuck

like somehow some light is going to *click*
and they'll just get it and change their ways


they couldnt care less
and will continue to do what they do while laughing in yo gatdamn face

the sooner dumb asses like you figure this out the better off we'll be

fuck them
and their contradictions

their goal is to speak to their base
to generate money
to line their pockets
no matter how ridiculous the claim

  

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5. "hes gotta point"
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7. "troof"
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And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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10. "oh look, its angry evil man"
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6. "As a parent I know first hand that you can't be accountable for - "
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your 17 yr old child's actions outside of your supervision. All you can do is hope that what you try to instill is practiced by the child.

That man's daughter's actions has no bearing on the honesty of his cause.


>http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/07/10/republican-abstinence-only-crusaders-17-year-old-daughter-is-pregnant/
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>Gotta teach kids more than abstinance... smh.
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>States that prescribe abstinence-only sex education programs
>in public schools have significantly higher teenage pregnancy
>and birth rates than states with more comprehensive sex
>education programs, researchers from the University of Georgia
>have determined.
>
>The researchers looked at teen pregnancy and birth data from
>48 U.S. states to evaluate the effectiveness of those
>states’ approaches to sex education, as prescribed by local
>laws and policies.
>
>“Our analysis adds to the overwhelming evidence indicating
>that abstinence-only education does not reduce teen pregnancy
>rates,” said Kathrin Stanger-Hall, assistant professor of
>plant biology and biological sciences in the Franklin College
>of Arts and Sciences.


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"And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful." ~ 2 Tim 2:4

  

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8. "^^^nigga proud of that too"
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its 2015 & ppl are defending other men that are against teaching proper birth control?

lil broad still coulda got preggos if she was put on game but it was %100 percent on her gettin knocked up with daddy his colleagues preachin this abstinence nonsense

what kinda man © you know who

  

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17. "Been alone for a while huh?"
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9. "it absolutely does."
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if she was practicing bc + safe sex, its unlikely she'd be pregnant.

  

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15. "That's not a guarantee. And abstinence is the best prevention."
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People may not like the fact but it's true. Now the onus falls on the one that chooses to engage in sexual activity.

>if she was practicing bc + safe sex, its unlikely she'd be
>pregnant.


Again, that is not a guarantee and who's to say that she wanted to use some kind of protection. The choice is still hers and hers alone..



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18. "that isn't realistic bruh"
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humans are sexual creatures.

You can teach abstinence but teach safe sex as well.

  

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21. "It is realistic, because humans have a choice."
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23. "practicing abstinence is fine and a personal choice"
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insisting on teaching only abstinence and not anything else is dumb, not based on logic, and is demonstrably worse at preventing teen pregnancy than the alternative.


teaching abstinence is not the best, or good birth control.

absolutely no one here is arguing against practicing it if you want to.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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25. "That is your opinion."
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>insisting on teaching only abstinence and not anything else
>is dumb, not based on logic, and is demonstrably worse at
>preventing teen pregnancy than the alternative.
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>teaching abstinence is not the best, or good birth control.
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>absolutely no one here is arguing against practicing it if you
>want to.

People are acting like it is the Father's fault that his daughter chose to not practice good judgement in response to self-control. It's not.





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27. "No, what he said is a factual conclusion reached by people with critical..."
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Thinking skills.

  

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28. "that is not an opinion, it is a proven fact"
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states that use abstinence only sex education have a significantly higher teen pregnancy rate than states that don't.

*Jews you*

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35. "nope, it's a known fact. "
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it has been tried and proven. repeatedly.

please, by all means, YOU don't fuck anybody.

we'll be teaching the kids several strategies and letting them pick the one that works for them.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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26. "was she more or less likely to get pregnant without contraception? "
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>>if she was practicing bc + safe sex, its unlikely she'd be
>>pregnant.
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>Again, that is not a guarantee

Simple question. She's sure as hell more likely to get pregnant going raw. That's inarguable.

Further, the notion that abstinence is the best prevention is 100% true. The notion that ONLY teaching abstinence is the best way to prevent teenage pregnancy is 100% false, delusional, and just plain negligent.

  

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13. "honesty has nothing to do with it.. its divorced from reality"
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>That man's daughter's actions has no bearing on the honesty of
>his cause.

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16. "So you're just going to cherry pick a word out of context"
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to try an build an argument. Good Luck.

Agree with the man or not, he's still not in control of a 17 yr old female once she leaves his house.



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19. "kind of like how you only adressed the first part of what i said?"
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and knowing you can't really control a teenage year old girl's actions is all the more reason to not rely on something as ridiculously unrealistic as abstinence only education.

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24. "This is a hyper-sexual culture, but there is a thing called choice. "
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>and knowing you can't really control a teenage year old
>girl's actions is all the more reason to not rely on something
>as ridiculously unrealistic as abstinence only education.

But as a parent you can teach them how to live, what they do is up to them. With that said, the man's character and mission should not be made light of or mocked.

That's just like you wouldn't mock a Federal Jude just because his son was convicted of stealing a car. Both matters involve choice and self-control.



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29. ""hyper-sexual culture" = all the more reason to be realistic"
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>But as a parent you can teach them how to live, what they do
>is up to them.

Absolutely, and there's nothing wrong with that. They should also be realistic that in this "hyper sexual culture" there's still a very good chance that dispite all they've tried to instill, kids are going to leave the bubble, and maybe/possibly/probably still have sex. And if and when they do, there are several other realistic ways to avoid pregnancy and disease.

With that said, the man's character and mission
>should not be made light of or mocked.

I'll mock it all i want. It's unrealistic, and ultimately counter-productive. Plus I find people who think the 1950s are coming back pretty funny

>That's just like you wouldn't mock a Federal Jude just because
>his son was convicted of stealing a car. Both matters involve
>choice and self-control.

Lol except one of those things is a crime with a victim, and wrong in any instance.

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30. "so it might be better to arm teens w/more info."
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>But as a parent you can teach them how to live, what they do
>is up to them.

yes. absolutely.

With that said, the man's character and mission
>should not be made light of or mocked.

his character? maybe not - i dunno enough about him to say.

his mission? as related to abstinence-only education - there's too much data out there that shows abstinence-only education results in increased rates of teen pregnancy for me to agree that abstinence-only education is effective at reducing the amount of sex among teens or reducing the rate of teen pregnancy. if his mission is to prevent teen sex or reduce the amount of teen pregnancy i think he may want to consider some alternative to abstinence-only education. like maybe sex education encourages abstinence but also informs teens about birth control and safer sex, generally.

fuck you.

  

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32. "yes actually it should"
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>But as a parent you can teach them how to live, what they do
>is up to them. With that said, the man's character and mission
>should not be made light of or mocked.
>
>That's just like you wouldn't mock a Federal Jude just because
>his son was convicted of stealing a car. Both matters involve
>choice and self-control.


he is not a federal judge
and #actually
Eliot Spitzer

the real difference that matters is this as swipe is simultaneously promoting ignorance
AND whittling down very important options health for women in that state

hes disgusting
and absolutely should be ridiculed
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34. "Yup. It's not like this is just personal, and only involves his kids"
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he pushes legislation to deny other people's kids any kind of realistic sex-ed, or access to contraception
he should absolutely be mocked when it comes back to bite him.

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36. "Exactly"
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Mocked and ridiculed

Fine fuck up your family

Leave other folks and ESP womens choices alone

That sicko is dangerous
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11. "she should've done the "loophole""
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14. "I'm not understanding why some parents are so afraid of coitus."
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It seems cut and dry to treat it the way we treat violence.

Kids see violence in all their cartoons and the world at large. It's inevitable. As a result, parents are ready to tell a child not to hit or more appropriate times and instances to hit. It makes sense, because violence is a natural part of all existence, human or other.

Why are people treating copulation any differently? All the same factors apply. Ignoring it doesn't make it go away.

Talk to your kids about it or get comfortable feeding your grandkids.

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12. "jesus wept!! LMAO!!!"
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20. "*Herman Cain Grin*"
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22. "oops"
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31. "old story....he still won"
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I was completely shocked because dude is....stupid

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33. "there was a really interesting article in the New Yorker during the '08 ..."
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here's the link: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2008/11/03/red-sex-blue-sex

It was written in response to the differing reactions to the pregnancy of Bristol Palin.

"Social liberals in the country’s “blue states” tend to support sex education and are not particularly troubled by the idea that many teen-agers have sex before marriage, but would regard a teen-age daughter’s pregnancy as devastating news. And the social conservatives in “red states” generally advocate abstinence-only education and denounce sex before marriage, but are relatively unruffled if a teen-ager becomes pregnant, as long as she doesn’t choose to have an abortion."

It's a long form essay and absolutely worth the read.

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37. "They know a whole lotta girls went to live with family "
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And showed up with mystery siblings back in the day.

It didn't work then and it don't work now.

Da bayball, babeh. (c) Charlie Kelly.

  

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