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legsdiamond
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"mafia puts out hit on Indiana Pizzaria who wont cater gay wedding"


          

http://www.theverge.com/2015/4/1/8327449/indiana-pizzeria-sb-101-yelp-reviews

They went IN on this pizzaria.

"If a gay couple came in and wanted us to provide pizzas for their wedding, we would have to say no," Memories Pizza co-owner Crystal O'Connor told a local TV station, referring to SB 101, which comes into effect in July. (They said they would still serve gay customers who came inside the store.) "I do not think it's targeting gays. I don't think it's discrimination... It's supposed to help people that have a religious belief," she continued.

The people bombarding the business's Yelp page with one-star reviews would disagree. "Pizza served with a side order of BIGOT. And seriously, who caters pizza for a wedding?" one reads. Another says, "I look forward to the day when Memories Pizza is just that- a DISTANT LONELY MEMORY." The site currently has more than 1,700 reviews — nearly all negative ones posted since the interview aired, although some satirical five-star reviews are mixed in. Although Yelp has a filtering system, it doesn't appear to be catching many of the reviews, and Yelp may manually remove the reviews for violating its content guidelines, Ars Technica reports. According to Ars, a new domain mocking the business was also registered today.


mock website domains? Photos of all types of nastiness...LOL.

You wanted attention, well, here you go. Check out the photos. LMAO
http://www.yelp.com/biz/memories-pizza-walkerton

  

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that escalated quickly
Apr 02nd 2015
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the whole thing escalated quickly
Apr 02nd 2015
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people serve pizzas at weddings?
Apr 02nd 2015
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they diving on grenades like a muuuhfukka
Apr 02nd 2015
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Pizza >>>> bland, lukewarm salmon with capers
Apr 02nd 2015
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Indiana.
Apr 02nd 2015
12
      +1 nm
Apr 02nd 2015
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           I would let JJ's cater mine. With blueberry waffles.
Apr 02nd 2015
83
i love it when hate trumps money. whats wrong w/ppl?
Apr 02nd 2015
4
hello.
Apr 02nd 2015
13
ikr these people are dumb
Apr 02nd 2015
14
there are certain situations were i wouldnt want to do business
Apr 02nd 2015
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so you imply being gay is morally corrupt?
Apr 02nd 2015
25
      no im just saying that from the original post that i replied to
Apr 02nd 2015
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SERIOUSLY These ppl have NO idea how to run a business.
Apr 02nd 2015
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they're trying to come up like Chik-fil-A
Apr 02nd 2015
31
      Meanwhile, Chick-Fil-A is *thisclose* to painting a cow in rainbows
Apr 02nd 2015
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hell yeah man i make it a point to send i ship ANYWHERE on earth
Apr 02nd 2015
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fuckin right.
Apr 02nd 2015
5
i don't think refusal to cater a gay wedding should be actionable.
Apr 02nd 2015
7
I couldn't trust the food if they were forced to serve me.
Apr 02nd 2015
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I get it. Catering falls outside of "accommodations"
Apr 02nd 2015
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      yup. IMO at least.
Apr 02nd 2015
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good. fuck Mike Pence and that bullshit ass law.
Apr 02nd 2015
16
the gofundme is at $125K already
Apr 02nd 2015
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$135K. I bet they never made that much in a year.
Apr 02nd 2015
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can anyone start a gofundme for a biz or stranger?
Apr 02nd 2015
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dude who created it is a black guy and a conservative ... interesting......
Apr 02nd 2015
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      : (
Apr 02nd 2015
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      Doesn't surprise me a bit.
Apr 02nd 2015
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           I hope he runs with the money...
Apr 02nd 2015
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People are fascinating.
Apr 02nd 2015
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of course.
Apr 02nd 2015
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200k now.
Apr 02nd 2015
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500k now...
Apr 03rd 2015
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this thing of calling everything hate is a bit out of control
Apr 02nd 2015
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You tried it.
Apr 02nd 2015
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I saw #7.
Apr 02nd 2015
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      and i disagree where you say ppl who choose not to do ___
Apr 02nd 2015
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           You must have skimmed my post
Apr 02nd 2015
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                no, i read it.
Apr 02nd 2015
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                     You think they should have the legal right to or you think its
Apr 02nd 2015
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                          this analogy is pretty awful.
Apr 02nd 2015
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                               do you have a problem with the vegan refusing to sing tho
Apr 02nd 2015
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                                    I don't care.
Apr 02nd 2015
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                                         u're still being legalistic tho. Im asking a simpler question
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                                              'legalistic'? LOL.
Apr 02nd 2015
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                                                   the circumstances are
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                                                        *shrugs*
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unfortunately my dear
Apr 02nd 2015
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no.
Apr 02nd 2015
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right! they didn't have to say that shit on TV. The possibility of any c...
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      yup!
Apr 02nd 2015
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lol what?
Apr 02nd 2015
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I didn't claim to be thinking outside the box, nor do i
Apr 02nd 2015
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      he wasn't replying to you or what you said.
Apr 02nd 2015
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lmao being a bigot is not thinking outside the box. foh.
Apr 02nd 2015
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      The KKK is all about innovation!!
Apr 03rd 2015
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oh you can hate and discriminate if you want....
Apr 02nd 2015
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you didn't address anything I actually said
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      http://www.tubechop.com/watch/5617929
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Outrage Over RFRA Might Be A Fear Of Christians (link/swipe)
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age/race/ethnicity?
Apr 02nd 2015
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What is the difference between this place and Chik Fil A?
Apr 02nd 2015
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do I have to design logos for cigarette companies, or does it mean
Apr 02nd 2015
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If the skinheads come into This is It! quiet-like and don't
Apr 02nd 2015
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there's a difference between
Apr 02nd 2015
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yeah, I'm trying to think of a scenario where the customer
Apr 02nd 2015
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who said anything about a "promotional event"?
Apr 03rd 2015
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if a reporter comes in and ask me if I will cater XYZ
Apr 02nd 2015
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      you can turn down the interview
Apr 02nd 2015
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           yeah, I'm no comment all day but even that would make you look
Apr 02nd 2015
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                they air the 'no comment' interviewees in your city? I aint never seen t...
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                     uhh, yeah... wtf. The news does it all the fucking time.
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                          It is more likely that the news came to them, not the other way around
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                               true
Apr 02nd 2015
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Chick Fil A never posed that kind of hypothetical
Apr 02nd 2015
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I saw that shit yesterday and I was crying. The dick-shaped pizza
Apr 02nd 2015
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agreed.
Apr 02nd 2015
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For everyone defending the pizza place, you do know Niggas is next
Apr 02nd 2015
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that already happened.
Apr 02nd 2015
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I don't see any1 saying they should be able to NOT serve gays tho
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what if they dont believe in interracial marriage
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      reply number 26
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I wish we 'went in' like this on establishments for discrimination. Esp ...
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see: Title II of the Civil Rights Act.
Apr 02nd 2015
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You should really read up on relatively recent American history.
Apr 03rd 2015
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by "our" do you mean black kids/teens or kids/teens in general?
Apr 03rd 2015
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next? lol. Black folks were first, and will be back on the docket
Apr 03rd 2015
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You subject line doe.
Apr 03rd 2015
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and of course all the white christians on my FB are going with
Apr 02nd 2015
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dear god. 600,000+ in donations.
Apr 03rd 2015
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I think this shit was planned. I need a gofundme hustle.
Apr 03rd 2015
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they REALLY should have never given these niggas money.
Apr 03rd 2015
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initiationofplato
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1. "that escalated quickly"
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~Experience is the currency of the soul.

  

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2. "the whole thing escalated quickly"
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Arkansas legislature passed a very similar law, but their governor was like NAH - I'm not signing this. We ain't goin' out like that. Rewrite this, please.

  

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3. "people serve pizzas at weddings?"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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6. "they diving on grenades like a muuuhfukka"
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who the fuck caters a wedding with pizzas and cheese sticks?

I know it's Indiana but c'mon...

  

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8. "Pizza >>>> bland, lukewarm salmon with capers"
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12. "Indiana."
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fuck you.

  

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15. "+1 nm"
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83. "I would let JJ's cater mine. With blueberry waffles."
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbFFA4ui05E

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4. "i love it when hate trumps money. whats wrong w/ppl?"
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the point of a business is to make money

why do people constantly feel a need to use businesses as a way of making political statements?

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13. "hello."
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fuck you.

  

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14. "ikr these people are dumb"
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~Experience is the currency of the soul.

  

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17. "there are certain situations were i wouldnt want to do business"
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like for instance
what happened if i was asked to do a wedding
of someone 17 marrying someone 50+
i would politely decline

or
with known drug dealers
i would politely decline

money isnt everything

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25. "so you imply being gay is morally corrupt?"
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since you bring up two crazy scenarios

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27. "no im just saying that from the original post that i replied to"
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the person implied
basically "who cares, get money"

well money isnt that important to everyone

and those examples i posted
are examples (especially the drug dealing one)
where some people would be like
"who cares? get money"

yes the poster replied to this gay issue
yet his blanket response wasnt a one size fit all response
in my opinion

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19. "SERIOUSLY These ppl have NO idea how to run a business."
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31. "they're trying to come up like Chik-fil-A"
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and have a bunch of morons flocking to give them extra business because of their bigotry.

*Jews you*

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48. "Meanwhile, Chick-Fil-A is *thisclose* to painting a cow in rainbows"
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in order to court the NYC market as they build a gigantic restaurant in Manhattan.

Because those NYC gays will get them the fuck up out of there very quickly.

  

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59. "hell yeah man i make it a point to send i ship ANYWHERE on earth"
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i don't care if you're in iran, north korea, russia, germany, you need some jorns then i got that work!!!!!

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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5. "fuckin right."
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http://www.alicebtoklas.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/GayMafia.jpg

fuck you.

  

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7. "i don't think refusal to cater a gay wedding should be actionable."
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while i feel for the couples who have caterers reject them b/c they're gay, i don't think the couples should be able to sue successfully if a caterer refuses to do biz w/them b/c they're gay (outside of breach of contract).

fuck you.

  

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9. "I couldn't trust the food if they were forced to serve me. "
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10. "I get it. Catering falls outside of "accommodations""
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11. "yup. IMO at least."
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fuck you.

  

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16. "good. fuck Mike Pence and that bullshit ass law."
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... in the goat ass.

  

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18. "the gofundme is at $125K already"
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20. "$135K. I bet they never made that much in a year. "
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21. "can anyone start a gofundme for a biz or stranger?"
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I already knew they would make bank on gofundme but what if I jumped on it and started one as soon as the story hit? Could I get paid and throw them a few wooden nickels aka 10% which is the legal amount for charities?

  

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24. "dude who created it is a black guy and a conservative ... interesting......"
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I should have never Google'd his name! Dude has an article with the subheading of 'why I would have shot Mike Brown'

♥ Inescapably Me ♥

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29. ": ("
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49. "Doesn't surprise me a bit."
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56. "I hope he runs with the money..."
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22. "People are fascinating."
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I don't mean that in a good way.

  

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23. "of course."
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fuck you.

  

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50. "200k now."
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88. "500k now..."
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26. "this thing of calling everything hate is a bit out of control"
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I eat meat, sometimes pork. I'm trying to cut back as a personal choice but I know people who insist that meat is vital to human health (not sure I agree with that). Just because Vegans, Jews and Muslims cant co-sign that shit doesn't mean they hate me.

A professional musician who feels uncomfortable with omnivore things or pork things, religion or otherwise, shouldn't be forced to sing at the grand opening of Bill's Bacon Shop.

Nor should she be put out of the singing business or boycotted or have her reputation destroyed.

That's different from hating Bill or just denying him common services BECAUSE he eats meat. If Bill went to a vegan-owned bar and was refused a drink because he's a known meat-eater, that's COMPLETELY different from a Vegan or Muslim copywriter declining to pen promotional materials for the Bacon Shop which goes directly against their personal beliefs.

If a photographer or graphic designer is bothered by alcohol, they shouldn't be forced to create a website or poster for the Vegan-owned bar.

A person not wanting to participate or contribute to the actual thing that makes them uneasy is completely different from them just not wanting anything to do with you as a person in any context because of who you are.

I don't know one person on this planet who I agree with everything they're about, nor do I know one person who can co-sign everything I'm about. Stuff that I would say is an intrinsic part of who I am and they don't get it. That doesn't stop me from loving many people dearly and being loved.

Just because people don't understand a part of you or have personal moral hangups about something you believe in doesn't mean they hate you.

I know there are still places in this country where interracial marriage is widely frowned upon and people are under the ridiculous impression that it is unhealthy. I would have a serious problem if my fiance and I couldn't get a sandwich or safely walk down the street in such places. But am I going to try and force someone who feels uneasy about our relationahip to DJ the wedding? Or if they refuse, have them put out of business and assault their reputation nationally? That's me being an asshole, particularly when there are so many other DJs out there.

If a mechanic refuses to tow or fix a broken down car because the car owner smokes or likes Hallmark movies, they're an asshole. If an actor is forced to play a role in a Hallmark movie despite an aversion to corn, Hallmark is the asshole.





  

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28. "You tried it."
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But...what? Lol. Your analogies make little sense.

Btw...see #7

fuck you.

  

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33. "I saw #7."
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34. "and i disagree where you say ppl who choose not to do ___"
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b/c of their religious beliefs shouldn't be subject to ridicule or other consequence from private actors. as i said above, i think refusals to do biz w/certain otherwise protected minorities due to religious belief shouldn't be actionable in court where public accommodation isn't involved (like florists, caterers, musicians, etc). but i have no problem w/private entities protesting or demonstrating or otherwise calling out those who choose not to do __ in these instances.

AND...i mean...didn't Jesus himself wash the feet of sinners?

didn't he turn water into wine at a wedding after ppl were already drunk?

i don't recall a scripture where Jesus refused to offer __ to a sinner b/c of the sinning. so Xtians refusing to do biz w/sinners seems to contradict what Jesus was about.

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42. "You must have skimmed my post"
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>b/c of their religious beliefs shouldn't be subject to
>ridicule or other consequence from private actors. as i said
>above, i think refusals to do biz w/certain otherwise
>protected minorities due to religious belief shouldn't be
>actionable in court where public accommodation isn't involved
>(like florists, caterers, musicians, etc). but i have no
>problem w/private entities protesting or demonstrating or
>otherwise calling out those who choose not to do __ in these
>instances.
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Given your penchant to ridicule and go at people every chance you get, I'm not surprised you would feel that way. Its like your main joy in life lol


>AND...i mean...didn't Jesus himself wash the feet of sinners?
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Lol That's my point! He didn't agree with everything the people did. He considered them sinners. He didn't have to agree with every aspect of their lives to love them. Washing feet has nothing to do with promoting or celebrating the things Jesus considered sinful.



>didn't he turn water into wine at a wedding after ppl were
>already drunk?
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That's how the story goes. I have no idea what Jesus' opinion on alcohol was, or how drunk the people were, or what the alcohol content was.


>i don't recall a scripture where Jesus refused to offer __ to
>a sinner b/c of the sinning. so Xtians refusing to do biz
>w/sinners seems to contradict what Jesus was about.
:
Refusing to do business with sinners would be the height of hypocrisy for Christians, since Christians believe we're all sinners, the self included.

Refusing a sandwich to a legal prostitute in Nevada because you disagree with it is a vile and mean thing to do. Refusing one to an illegal prostitute is just as vile. Refusing to make a big neon sign for the brothel is understandable if you feel wrong about promiscuity.

I don't recall the passage where Jesus helped the tax collector shake down some poor people or helped a prostitute score a customer

I certainly wouldn't expect or insist that a Muslim or Vegan sing or cater at the grand opening for Bill's Bacon Shop

  

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60. "no, i read it."
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you said this, among other things:

"A professional musician who feels uncomfortable with omnivore things or pork things, religion or otherwise, shouldn't be forced to sing at the grand opening of Bill's Bacon Shop.

Nor should she be put out of the singing business or boycotted or have her reputation destroyed."

^ i disagreed w/that last part. i think if ppl wanna boycott that musician or talk about her refusal to perform at the bacon shop they should.

fuck you.

  

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64. "You think they should have the legal right to or you think its "
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good for them to do that?

We always (or at least usually) have the legal right to boycott or verbally bash whoever and whatever we want

But I'm saying on a human level, it would be wrong to attack the vegan for not wanting to promote a meat shop. You're saying it would be good for them to be attacked for being uncomfortable and not wanting to participate in it?

  

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65. "this analogy is pretty awful."
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i have no problem w/ppl choosing to boycott the vegan who refuses to promote a meat shop.

note: i said earlier that this analogy doesn't work. i think it's pretty clumsy.

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71. "do you have a problem with the vegan refusing to sing tho"
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And you say the analogies are bad without making any case

  

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72. "I don't care."
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i regularly represent clients who have done heinous things. I still fight as hard as I can to get them out of trouble and to walk away with no conviction or guilty plea. That's always my goal no matter how awful the act. I have represented racists, homophobes, child abusers, murderers...I do it gladly. Sometimes the facts of my clients' cases creep me out but I work on them anyway - it's my professional obligation. Ppl make negative comments about my line of work everyday. I accept that ppl will be displeased and I am willing to live with that.

If the vegan chooses not to sing for the meat shop that's whatever. I wouldn't make that choice but if s/he does that's on them. And if ppl voice displeasure the vegan has to deal.

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74. "u're still being legalistic tho. Im asking a simpler question"
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Do u think the vegan singer is a jerk for not wanting to contribute song to the meat promoting event? Is declining to sing at the grand opening an act of hatefulness toward meat eaters?


  

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75. "'legalistic'? LOL."
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>Do u think the vegan singer is a jerk for not wanting to
>contribute song to the meat promoting event?

i dunno. it depends on the circumstance.

Is declining to
>sing at the grand opening an act of hatefulness toward meat
>eaters?

it may be. it would depend on the circumstance.

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82. "the circumstances are"
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The vegan singer (Annie) owns a bar. She happily serves drinks to meat-eaters including Bill. She doesn't turn people away or treat them poorly just because she knows they like meat.

And she also has an ongoing gig singing at events. Bill is opening up a pork-heavy meat shop called "Bill's Bacon" and asks Annie to come serve drinks and sing to bring in more customers. Paid gig obviously. Annie has no issues with Bill as a person, but feels wrong about the meat industry and the practice of eating meat, plus she is in the camp that its not healthy for humans (which others disagree with her on, citing vital nutrients like B12 or something, plus Bill makes sure all his meat is sourced from the most humane and healthy practices possible).

She feels too uneasy about supporting the industry and practice of eating animals, so she politely refuses to cater and sing at Bill's opening.

Bill flips out, blasts her name all over the internet as a crazy woman who harbours hatred toward omnivores and people protest, boycott, and successfully put her out of business. Her reputation is ruined nationwide.

  

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87. "*shrugs*"
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no problem there.

and sexual orientation != dietary choice. which is why this tired analogy doesn't work.

again - i have no problem w/caterers or florists or whatever declining to do biz w/gay couples b/c they feel some asinine way about gays getting married. i don't think those ppl should be able to be successfully sued in civil court unless they breached a contract w/the couple. i also don't think the caterers/florists/w-e should face any criminal penalty, of course. and i have no problem if the gay couple or their supporters inform the public or whomever that the florist or caterer or whatever at issue won't service their gay wedding b/c of the florist or caterers idiotic feewings about gays getting married.

do the florists or caterers hate gays b/c they won't serve at a gay wedding? i dunno - maybe they do maybe they don't. and their hatred or lack thereof has no bearing on my opinion about whether it's 'appropriate' for the couple to tarnish the caterer or florist's rep w/the public.

fuck you.

  

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30. "unfortunately my dear"
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no one will understand what you are saying
you will just be
titled a hater like everyone else
who tries to think out the box

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32. "no."
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These ppl aren't called out for thinking outside the box - they're called out for expressing anti-gay sentiment.

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37. "right! they didn't have to say that shit on TV. The possibility of any c..."
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of any couple, gay or straight, wanting them to cater their wedding was probably slim before this happened. And if there was a couple who wanted them to cater their wedding, as a business owner you can turn down business anytime without much of a reason. They could have been 'short staffed' or 'overbooked' or what ever. They didn't have to be specifically discriminatory AND in a hypothetical situation anyway.

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39. "yup!"
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fuck you.

  

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35. "lol what? "
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I just don't understand why people can't admit that they don't agree w/ affording civil rights to gay people. Just admit it and stop all this "oh we're thinking outside the box and being called out for having a different viewpoint" non-sense.

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43. "I didn't claim to be thinking outside the box, nor do i"
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think you read my post.

I believe, in terms of civil rights, a Vegan musician who loves animals has more of a civil rights claim in not wanting to sing at Bill's Bacon Shop grand opening than does Bill have a civil right to have THAT SPECIFIC vegan singer at his pork party

  

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61. "he wasn't replying to you or what you said."
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fuck you.

  

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40. "lmao being a bigot is not thinking outside the box. foh."
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89. "The KKK is all about innovation!!"
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36. "oh you can hate and discriminate if you want...."
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but you should never be legally protected in doing so. The state should not
(and will not) sanction discriminatory hate - but that doesn't mean you can't
hate/discriminate and deal w/ the consequences.

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41. "you didn't address anything I actually said"
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http://www.tubechop.com/watch/5617929

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38. "Outrage Over RFRA Might Be A Fear Of Christians (link/swipe)"
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i mostly agree w/this:

http://natepyle.com/outrage-over-rfra-is-about-christians/#sthash.GjRWJYQ5.gkDZRQem.dpbs

March 31, 2015 By Nate Pyle

Last week Indiana found itself at the center of the news cycle for all the wrong reasons. With Gov. Pence’s signing of the Religious Freedom Restoration Act our nation once again found itself taking sides in the debate over LGBTQ rights.

Honestly, I’m torn over this issue. I understand that the Indiana bill was fashioned after the 1993 bill that was signed into federal law by Bill Clinton. I know that 19 other states have RFRA legislation. And, as a pastor, I support religious freedom, not just for Christians but for Buddhists, Muslims, Jews, and yes, even Westboro Baptists. I think most Americans support protecting individuals rights to conscientiously practice their faith. Freedom of religion is one of the things that makes this country great and that freedom is worth protecting. But this bill, supposedly enacted to protect those freedoms, has caused quite the stir. Even more interesting to me are the people I follow on social media who are much more interested and knowledgeable than me in politics who say Indiana’s RFRA won’t amount to significant change. This raises the very simple question, “Then why pass the bill?”

I believe RFRA was designed to protect people’s rights in their business. When I was in college I worked at Old Navy, and because of my religious beliefs, declined to work on Sundays and was thankful when my managers honored my requests. Even though I don’t agree with it, Indian tribes that use psychotropic drugs as part of their religion shouldn’t be forced to stop because drugs are illegal. Here you can find ten examples of individuals who have been helped by RFRA’s.

So let’s be clear. RFRA does serve some purpose AND this isn’t just about Christians. After all, it allowed the First Church of Cannabis to come into existence (bet no one saw that coming!).

While I agree with the legislation on one hand, on the other hand I think it may be an expansion that is unwise.

The outrage surrounding Indiana’s bill is that its language expands on other bills like it to ensure businesses are protected as well as individuals. Those who oppose the legislation fear this change will allow business to discriminate against people, particularly LGBTQ individuals. Legal experts deny RFRA’s provide a legal basis for discrimination saying that these laws give individuals and now businesses the right to file litigation and have their day in court.

So here we find ourselves, all whipped up into a frenzy with one side shouting at the other side. This is how things go in America. We yell and don’t listen. One side yells at the other claiming they are ignorant of the actual law and hate America, Christians, and religious freedom. The other side yells that RFRA is a concealed attempt to legalize Christian discrimination of LGBTQ individuals.

Just a typical week, America. Everyone is talking, no one is listening.

As a Christian, I believe it is my responsibility to listen. Here is what I am hearing: Christians are not trusted. Or another way to say, the anger and frustration surrounding the passage of RFRA is really anger and frustration with us.

That’s a hard pill to swallow, but I can’t help but think the fear surrounding the use of RFRA to discriminate against LGBTQ individuals is because Christians are not just not trusted to not use it for that purpose, but that it is expected that Christians will use RFRA to discriminate. And why wouldn’t people assume that? We have a lousy track record when it comes to walking alongside of LGBTQ individuals. LGBTQ youth are 4 times more likely to commit suicide than their peers. They comprise 40% of the youth homeless population. Students who identify as LGBTQ are 5 times more likely to miss school, and 9 out of 10 have been bullied in the last year. We have done little to help with change those horrible statistics. In fact, the case against same-sex marriage has become a rallying point for Christians. When World Vision changed its employee policy, the evangelical world dropped their support of impoverished children. What the LGBTQ community heard was, “We would rather children starve than have LGBTQ work with them.” When the ELCA changed its stance on same-sex marriage, a tornado that went through Minneapolis was said to be God’s judgement. Christians have blamed 9/11 and Hurricane Katrina and Sandy on homosexuals.

Rather than finding ways to aid our neighbors who, as evidence by the statistics above, are hurting, we legislate for our rights and say we are the ones being marginalized. Which, for good reason, gets a lot of side-eyes.

Admittedly, I still believe in traditional marriage. But I can’t look at the statistics above and not see the pain. I cannot imagine being blamed for tragedies like 9/11 or natural disasters. That is absolutely appalling, and the pain that causes must be immense. To be called unlovable. To be treated as if the image of God has somehow been removed from their person. To be so utterly rejected by a people claiming to speak for the God who is love. My heart breaks. And so I’m longing to find a way to converse and move forward that is different. I believe, that begins with me.

When I listen to outcry surrounding Indiana’s new law, I hear frustration with us, Christians. The outcry isn’t about the law, it’s about us. It’s a fear that we will discriminate. And it is a fear based on a history that, whether we like it or not, is ours. We have, in no shortage of ways, broken relationships with the LGBTQ community. We have expelled our sons and daughters. We have protested them. We blamed them for the ills of society like a scapegoat. And no matter what we believe about same-sex marriage, that is wrong. Because of that, restoring relationship and trust with the LGBTQ community is on us. Even if you disagree with all I said above, restoring the relationship is on us because we are called as followers of Jesus to be ministers of reconciliation.

For many Christians, homosexuality and same-sex marriage is a moral issue. But in the eyes of society, the morality of monogamous same-sex marriage has already been decided. It’s over. The morality that matters to culture and society now is the treatment of LGBTQ individuals. If non-affirming Christians are going to continue to try and convince culture that same-sex marriage is immoral we will find ourselves at a moral impasse. Perhaps we already have. But I wonder if beating the drum of morality is the best way to communicate the gospel and live out the gospel? You see, the question now being asked of Christians is, “Will you treat us as human beings?” That’s what behind wanting a cake for a same-sex wedding. Or photographs. It isn’t shoving a lifestyle down people’s throats. It’s simply a desire to be seen as human. To be treated as human. To enjoy life as we all want to enjoy life.

For that reason, I’d bake the cake. If Jesus can make 120-180 gallons of wine for a wedding party that is already long underway and not be condoning or celebrating drunkenness, I can make a cake for a wedding that I may have some theological issues with. Truth is, we as Christians do this all the time. We bake cakes for Jewish weddings, weddings for people who divorced for non-Biblical reasons, atheist weddings, and maybe even a Wiccan wedding. To choose one lifestyle we disapprove of as the one we cannot offer services to is hypocritical.

I cannot find a place in the gospels where Jesus refuses to serve someone who has a different worldview than he does. The Samaritan woman, the Roman Centurion, the Syrophoenician woman, tax collectors, and on and on. Jesus met everyone with an incredible amount of grace. In Jesus we find a relational God who is willing to go to extreme measures to love human beings. It’s why John says that we love because God first loved us. God gave us grace long before we wanted it. And so we give grace. Freely. Even to those we disagree with. Even to our enemies (I’m not saying LGBTQ are our enemies. I’m saying grace goes to those we think deserve it the least).

For too long our “love the sinner, hate the sin” mantra has been a clanging gong. When we fear having a law force us to serve someone, I think it is safe to say we don’t love them.

Perhaps now is the time for Christians to focus more on our responsibilities than our rights. Our responsibility is to love others like Christ. Our responsibility is to lay down our lives for another. Our responsibility is to give grace with same reckless abandon that put Christ on the cross. Our responsibility is to comfort the hurting, mend the brokenhearted, and stand up for the oppressed – even if we disagree with their theology, lifestyle, and choices.

In this case, our responsibility is to listen.

Which may mean our rights have to take a back seat.

fuck you.

  

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47. "age/race/ethnicity?"
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44. "What is the difference between this place and Chik Fil A?"
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This place said they have never turned away a gay customer.

They don't even cater weddings...

People are tweeting about burning down this store.

So does this mean a Black Restaurant has to cater a skinhead convention?

There was a hotel in Charlotte who was going to host a convention for some pro white businessmen until the word got out. Does this shit only go one way now?



  

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45. "do I have to design logos for cigarette companies, or does it mean"
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I have hatred for smokers if I pass on that job?

Am I denying Newport their civil rights?

  

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46. "If the skinheads come into This is It! quiet-like and don't"
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disturb the peace or break any laws, they can eat there all they want.

Now, is that likely to happen? Not really. Skinheads in This is It! are typically going to be there to start mess.

In this case, though, this restaurant is trying to show its support for the messed-up laws Indiana's passed ,and they've made themselves the example, and they're being treated as such. Chick-Fil-A has homophobic executives working for them, but not only do they both feed and hire LGBT people, as a large corporation with franchisees everywhere, they're more vulnerable to discrimination lawsuits and scrutiny, and the corporation distanced themselves from Dan Cathy's opinions.

Moreover, they had to reiterate their acceptance of LGBT people to move into the Chicago and NYC markets.

  

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51. "there's a difference between"
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Refusing pizza to a gay couple or a skinhead or a meat-lover because you know they are into x and dislike them

Vs

Refusing to provide pizza to a promotional event for that thing

One you're just feeding someone without judgment. The other, you're actively promoting something that bothers you.

  

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54. "yeah, I'm trying to think of a scenario where the customer"
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isn't filled with hate.

Black "christian" restaurant where they refuse to cater a gay pride event?

Do the gloves come off?

  

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86. "who said anything about a "promotional event"?"
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The restaurant owners are saying they wouldn't "cater a gay wedding" not because they've ever actually been approached to do so, but because they are trying to low-key keep LGBT people away from their precious establishment while pretending like that's not what they're doing.

It's not even dog-whistle politics; dog-whistle political moves are mroe sophisticated.

Did y'all study US History at all??

  

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52. "if a reporter comes in and ask me if I will cater XYZ"
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and i say nope...

can I get hit with all this Yelp shit and have people tweeting to burn down my building?

Granted, I know they aren't one in the same I'm just playing devils advocate.



  

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53. "you can turn down the interview"
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55. "yeah, I'm no comment all day but even that would make you look"
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like you are dodging and weaving.

  

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58. "they air the 'no comment' interviewees in your city? I aint never seen t..."
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66. "uhh, yeah... wtf. The news does it all the fucking time. "
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76. "It is more likely that the news came to them, not the other way around "
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Had they said "no comment" the news would have moved on and had that next place said "no comment" they would have either had to move on with the story minus a 'comment' or keep looking. They didn't have to say that shit just like they don't have to cater anybody's wedding if they don't want to - gay or straight!

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77. "true"
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makes me wonder if the reporter knew this owner was vocal about gay marriage.

  

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68. "Chick Fil A never posed that kind of hypothetical"
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"if a gay couple asked Chick Fil A..."

it was only about the CEO's personal views, and what kind of organizations he was donating to.

  

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57. "I saw that shit yesterday and I was crying. The dick-shaped pizza"
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The gay boys sitting in each other's laps eating pizza. The whole thing was magnificent. In the end the guy is getting publicity from all sides that he couldn't have bought with a couple hundred grand. So everyone wins. The bigoted pizza man, the gays (and their supporters) seeking a forum to lash out and, of course and most importantly, humor.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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62. "agreed."
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fuck you.

  

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67. "For everyone defending the pizza place, you do know Niggas is next"
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"My religion doesnt allow me to serve blacks"

Hell thats been happening.

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69. "that already happened."
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It's why Title II of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964#Title_II

fuck you.

  

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70. "I don't see any1 saying they should be able to NOT serve gays tho"
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This is about participating in an event or contributing to something in promotion or celebration of something

If a gay person shows up to a pizza place, nobody's saying that pizza place can turn them away for being gay. Them being gay is none of your business as a pizza place. They want pizza

For you to be exprcted or obligated to help them throw an even that you are uncomfortable with, that's different

It shouldn't be just a religion thing tho

Like I've been saying, a vegan bar-owner shouldn't be allowed to turn a known meat-eater away, but they shouldnt be given a hard time for not wanting to contribute drinks to an event to help promote the butcher shop

  

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80. "what if they dont believe in interracial marriage"
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should they be allowed to not cater that event?

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81. "reply number 26"
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That one is personal to me in my real life

Quoting myself:

"I know there are still places in this country where interracial marriage is widely frowned upon and people are under the ridiculous impression that it is unhealthy. I would have a serious problem if my fiance and I couldn't get a sandwich or safely walk down the street in such places. But am I going to try and force someone who feels uneasy about our relationahip to DJ the wedding? Or if they refuse, have them put out of business and assault their reputation nationally? That's me being an asshole, particularly when there are so many other DJs out there."

I just think there are other ways to deal with people's ridiculous hangups than ratcheting up the hostilities and forcing them to do something they don't believe in.

  

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78. "I wish we 'went in' like this on establishments for discrimination. Esp ..."
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the ones that don't want our kids/teens around.

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79. "see: Title II of the Civil Rights Act."
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964#Title_II

we already went in. to Congress and the White House.

fuck you.

  

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85. "You should really read up on relatively recent American history."
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92. "by "our" do you mean black kids/teens or kids/teens in general?"
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because age discrimination is some real shit, i see some eateries, markets, etc that treat every high school kid like a damn criminal. school lets out and these places become like spanish forts, manning cannons and creating barriers. it's not a race thing though (although i am sure they watch black/brown kids even more closely), they just fuck with everyone.

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84. "next? lol. Black folks were first, and will be back on the docket"
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if possible.

Arabic people are likely next, unfortunately, as they'll tie it to trying to "defend" Christianity from Islam and Sharia law, which themfolk are oh-so-certain is just around the riverbend for America thanks to B. Hussein Obummer.

  

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94. "You subject line doe."
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"And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful." ~ 2 Tim 2:4

  

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73. "and of course all the white christians on my FB are going with"
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well should i be forced to make a nazi cake! is that what you want? murrica!

  

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90. "dear god. 600,000+ in donations. "
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91. "I think this shit was planned. I need a gofundme hustle. "
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someone posted "the gofundme is jesus at work"

smh... I'm going to open an online store selling mugs with middle america christian quotes. These people are giving money away.

  

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93. "they REALLY should have never given these niggas money."
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