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Mongo
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"Should I be feeling some kind of way about this?"


  

          

I don't talk to my sister-in-law.

There's no dramatic breach or anything, we just don't talk.

She has her own business, it's been struggling, and she and my brother have been busting their asses to make it work. I don't have a million dollars to invest, so I contributed the only way I could: I put together a branding package for print, web, video; etc. for Hannukah, and gave her free access, time to edit (everybody is an art director in their heart), hooked them up with printers for t-shirts; etc.

But when that was done, we went back to not talking.

She saw me this weekend at the brunch I put together for my old man, said nothing to me there either.

But is now texting me for help converting some things to Pantone colors, and is being very sort of... I don't know. The language and tone remind me of emails I get from clients. It's like a mix of passive/aggressive entitlement and superiority. Like "CAN YOU DO X, Y, Z, PICK UP MY DRY CLEANING AND DROP IT OFF AT MY SISTER'S? THANKS YOU'RE AWESOME OKAY BYE"

I dunno.

Maybe this is normal and I'm just a fucking weirdo.

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while i'm pretty certain you're a weirdo, she's bein' kinda wack.
Mar 25th 2015
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why are your feelings hurt, exactly?
Mar 25th 2015
2
I think it's how impersonal it is maybe...? Or like I work for her...?
Mar 25th 2015
3
tell her to google that shit cuz youre busy right now
Mar 25th 2015
4
she's likely embarrassed by your kindness when she's vulnerable.
Mar 25th 2015
5
RE: she's likely embarrassed by your kindness when she's vulnerable.
Mar 25th 2015
6
      actually i kinda agree with this
Mar 25th 2015
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      RE: she's likely embarrassed by your kindness when she's vulnerable.
Mar 25th 2015
23
      yeah. prove her dead wrong. i like sowhats response..
Mar 25th 2015
24
she might feel like this is YOUR preferred methodology
Mar 25th 2015
7
I can see this considering their preexisting pattern.
Mar 25th 2015
21
if youre working for free, its easy to be taken for granted
Mar 25th 2015
9
^ this too.
Mar 25th 2015
10
yup..
Mar 25th 2015
13
its hard to read texts for accurate communication.
Mar 25th 2015
11
nah.. people think they are slick
Mar 25th 2015
12
Yeah, the 'THANKS' at the end feels more like a 'fuck you'
Mar 25th 2015
16
it feels like CLUELESS to me
Mar 25th 2015
19
      ...that's an interesting (and valuable) perspective, actually.
Mar 25th 2015
20
lol
Mar 25th 2015
22
When people do freebies, I shower them with "thank yous" "please"
Mar 25th 2015
14
Yeah, you should. She's not acting right.
Mar 25th 2015
15
say no and keep it moving
Mar 25th 2015
17
its family
Mar 25th 2015
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if someone can't at least pick up the phone and call...do not
Mar 25th 2015
25
I hate dealing with family for this reason
Mar 25th 2015
26

KiloMcG
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Wed Mar-25-15 09:30 AM

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1. "while i'm pretty certain you're a weirdo, she's bein' kinda wack."
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mostly the not speaking when she sees you part of the whole bit. how you gonna be like that and then turn around and email a list of requests with the anticipation that you're just gonna do it? she's taking your kindness/generosity for granted it seems.

  

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Deadzombie
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Wed Mar-25-15 09:32 AM

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2. "why are your feelings hurt, exactly?"
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Wed Mar-25-15 09:32 AM by Deadzombie

          

was the work good, or no?

  

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Mongo
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Wed Mar-25-15 09:37 AM

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3. "I think it's how impersonal it is maybe...? Or like I work for her...?"
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Yeah, it's not quite a rational response.

Something's rubbing me raw about it.

  

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NikaMandela
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Wed Mar-25-15 09:37 AM

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4. "tell her to google that shit cuz youre busy right now"
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ugh i cant stand ppl who arent gracious.

she should have spoken to you at your dad's brunch. she should have brought flowers or something even.

  

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SoWhat
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5. "she's likely embarrassed by your kindness when she's vulnerable."
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and if so, considering her vulnerability relates to her biz she may be all caught up in her own feelings to the point where she can't deal w/talking to you face to face.

plus you're her brother in law and i dunno how she is about boundaries and talking to other men when she's married et al and if any of that factors into this equation.

point is - cut her some slack. she's suffering. and vent about her b/s to your wife and to us but maybe not to your brother.

fuck you.

  

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Mongo
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Wed Mar-25-15 09:39 AM

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6. "RE: she's likely embarrassed by your kindness when she's vulnerable."
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>point is - cut her some slack. she's suffering. and vent
>about her b/s to your wife and to us but maybe not to your
>brother.

Yeah. There is sanity in this response.

  

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NikaMandela
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8. "actually i kinda agree with this"
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23. "RE: she's likely embarrassed by your kindness when she's vulnerable."
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>>point is - cut her some slack. she's suffering. and vent
>>about her b/s to your wife and to us but maybe not to your
>>brother.
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>Yeah. There is sanity in this response.
>

yep
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Iwasmadeto
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24. "yeah. prove her dead wrong. i like sowhats response.."
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only because i dont like conflict and im quick to fold so that the people around me arent affected.

but i would also in the final stages of this exchange find a way to say "hey next time you know you're going to need a favor, maybe you should work on the relationship with them first"

psst!

  

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Binlahab
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Wed Mar-25-15 09:40 AM

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7. "she might feel like this is YOUR preferred methodology"
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im a curt, to the point, fuck the small talk type person if you need something from me...spit it out & then go away & lemme circle back around when im done w/ it.

so maybe shes like lemme get to the point ASAP & get out his face


does it really matter?

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21. "I can see this considering their preexisting pattern."
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NikaMandela
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9. "if youre working for free, its easy to be taken for granted"
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no matter what kind of relationship you have to the person.

  

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10. "^ this too."
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fuck you.

  

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legsdiamond
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Wed Mar-25-15 10:11 AM

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13. "yup.. "
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Mr. ManC
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Wed Mar-25-15 10:05 AM

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11. "its hard to read texts for accurate communication."
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So much of how you are reading it is stemmed in your own bias. Most times you just have to take it on face value.

I got a homeboy that reads too much into texts, cause he thinks every woman is into him. He'll get a text like "ok, I'll see if I am free Sunday" and he reads "she'll SEE if she is FREE though! she tryna get with me!"

lol texts are like stats, you can almost make them say whatever you want.

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legsdiamond
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12. "nah.. people think they are slick "
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my cousin asked for a logo for his lil t shirt idea.

I throw him a few and now he comes back with:

"we changed the name, can you do more logos and get a spring line together because we are ready to go to print. Let me know when they are ready, THANKS!!!"

LOL... yeah, no.

  

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Mongo
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16. "Yeah, the 'THANKS' at the end feels more like a 'fuck you'"
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legsdiamond
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19. "it feels like CLUELESS to me"
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like they have no idea the time it takes, other projects, family time, etc...

if you are getting it for free.. you get it when you get it.

  

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Mongo
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20. "...that's an interesting (and valuable) perspective, actually."
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I hadn't considered it might just social awkwardness or cluelessness.

Let me sit on that for a minute.

Thank you.

  

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22. "lol"
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14. "When people do freebies, I shower them with "thank yous" "please""
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and "if you don't mind".

I am going on vacation with a group of friends and I volunteered to design t-shirts (cause we old and corny and like t-shirts). I got a dude on fiveer to do the layout and when I presented the t-shirts to the group it was a hate fest.

I was like okay, I am not doing it anymore, anyone else can gladly step up and do the work.

Now folks are all "Why you all in your feelings" but I am not, I am just withdrawing free work that I didn't have to do in the first place.


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15. "Yeah, you should. She's not acting right."
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You did ALL that work for free and then some? You need to check her.

~Experience is the currency of the soul.

  

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Selah
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17. "say no and keep it moving"
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what exactly is the problem?

  

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legsdiamond
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18. "its family"
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there will be problems

  

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25. "if someone can't at least pick up the phone and call...do not"
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reply to the text.


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26. "I hate dealing with family for this reason"
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Especially because we're dealing with tax, and people get unreasonable about paying that anyway. Plus I see what these people spend their money on.

If you're getting a service for free you should act accordingly.

In my experience, if you set up a pattern, it tends to continue this way and/or get worse.

The killer is when you get them to move on and they're nicer to the person they're PAYING for the service.

Don't know about the states, but here commercial law cases are filled with cautionary tales about mixing family and business. I always advise clients not to do it.

Just IMO though.

  

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