blkprinceMD05 Member since Nov 29th 2004 41323 posts
Wed Mar-25-15 10:21 AM
1. "the overwhelming majority of Blk ppl on tv arent gay" In response to Reply # 0
so his circle analogy doesn't hold. empire...one gay person out of like 15 regular cast members who are Blk, Black-ish...one guest character who is gay, out of a regular cast of all str8s...even with reality tv most Blk ppl on those shows aren't gay (many are ratchet tho)
some (I wont say most but maybe) Black ppl have a problem with gay characters on Blk shows because they have a problem with homosexuality.
the best thing for them to do would be to get over it, and characters like jamal may help
because gay ppl are gonna be on tv, period, so either stop watching or continue to be disturbed.
feminine Blk men are seen as less threatening but best believe if his Black ass wild'd the fuck out or got turned up and some cops around he'd be taken down like any other nigga
so this was a pretty misguided (I really wanna just call it shitty) video but we all our entitled to our own opinion and im glad u were so enamored with it....
prototype
stand ur ground, believe in urself, believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve
2. "the funny thing about Empire is that it goes far, far out" In response to Reply # 1 Wed Mar-25-15 10:46 AM by b.Touch
of its way to demonize homophobia the way homosexuality had been demonized in culture.
Jamal is easily, and by a country mile, the most level-headed and balanced regular character on the program, and the only truly homophobic characters on the shoe are evil-ass Lucious Lyon, a handful of thugs, and some struggle rappers.
For example, when Jamal came out at the white party, the camera cuts to every other series regular (pus Naomi Campbell for good measure) and shows them reacting positively - except for Lucious.
And so many people are so dense as to fall right into the show's crosshairs. Maybe they'd've thrown their gay sons into the garbage too.
legsdiamond Member since May 05th 2011 79554 posts
Wed Mar-25-15 10:38 AM
8. "what do you mean when you say people fall right into it?" In response to Reply # 2
Are people mad at the story line for Jamal? Most people I know are rooting for him to win.
I don't really take the criticism for the show seriously because most people are mad at the show just because it's winning. Regardless of the story lines people would hate on it because it gets them clicks or gets their name out there with these horrible opinion pieces.
12. "RE: what do you mean when you say people fall right into it?" In response to Reply # 8 Wed Mar-25-15 10:44 AM by b.Touch
>Are people mad at the story line for Jamal? Most people I >know are rooting for him to win.
Jamal's scenes, if not his storyline, make a lot of people uncomfortable. One of them, oddly, was Terrence Howard, who fought (and lost) to have the kissing scenes between Jamal and his boyfriend excised from the pilot for fear of teh ghey sabotaging the show.
There are quite a few comments online (I know, _I know_) hoping for less "gay kissing/sex scenes", and I've noticed when radio DJs interview the other "Empire" cast members, they sort of tend to speak out of both sides of their mouth about Jamal and/or Jussie Smollett - if he's not there, of course.
> >I don't really take the criticism for the show seriously >because most people are mad at the show just because it's >winning. Regardless of the story lines people would hate on it >because it gets them clicks or gets their name out there with >these horrible opinion pieces.
You mean like the dummy who made that video thinkpiece that some of y'all's cousins tried to get me to watch? The one that said "Empire" was out to feminine males through the Jamal character (and on what planet is Jamal feminine?) > > >
10. "Every single last new TV show of this season?" In response to Reply # 4
I'm sure someone without something to do can run that list and find some without gay characters.
And by "gay characters", are you only including leads or are you also including recurring and guest spots. Because there's no gay lead characters on "black-ish" (I don't recall that a gay character has said one line of dialogue on that program yet) - Raven-Symone's playing the lesbian sister as a guest shot in an upcoming episode that may or may not lead to a recurring role.
Any gay characters on "Power"? "Survivor's Remorse"?
15. "it's not happening at all. even a little bit. LOL" In response to Reply # 4
gays are slightly more visible on TV this season as compared to some past seasons and so maybe that's why it feels to you like gays are on "EVERY NEW SHOW". kinda like how that racist bitch at Deadline complained that Blacks are taking 50% of the roles in TV this pilot season just b/c of a few race-blind casting choices and some other race-specific castings on a handful of shows being produced recently. our increased visibility where we were previous invisible makes it seem like we're EVERYWHERE to ppl who are not accustomed to seeing us on TV (and/or who don't want to see us on TV).
23. "Good point about the gay percentage, but he's right about what else " In response to Reply # 1
is in the circle... which would be why I steer clear of tv as I try my best to only deal with positive Black images.
>some (I wont say most but maybe) Black ppl have a problem with >gay characters on Blk shows because they have a problem with >homosexuality. > >the best thing for them to do would be to get over it, and >characters like jamal may help
I'll let Gazi himself respond to that: "White People have the highest rates for Gay Suicides. Especially among white gay teens. Why didn't Kerry Washington talk about that? Black Homophobia was created by Slavery and Colonialism. What are these other races excuses for being so homophobic?"
>feminine Blk men are seen as less threatening but best believe >if his Black ass wild'd the fuck out or got turned up and some >cops around he'd be taken down like any other nigga
I promise you, he wouldn't disagree with that. The point he was making is that feminine Black men are seen as less threatening... with which you admittedly agreed in the first sentence there.
26. "RE: Good point about the gay percentage, but he's right about what else " In response to Reply # 23
>"White People have the highest rates for Gay Suicides. >Especially among white gay teens. >Why didn't Kerry Washington talk about that? >Black Homophobia was created by Slavery and Colonialism. What >are these other >races excuses for being so homophobic?"
probably the same excuses black ppl have for being homophobic - mainly, misogyny and the tenets of various religions.
Joe Corn Mo Member since Aug 29th 2010 15139 posts
Wed Mar-25-15 12:22 PM
44. "elton john performing with eminem at the grammys. " In response to Reply # 3
sad, sad, shit.
> >********** >"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then >they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson > > >"One of the most important things in life is what Judge >Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to >whether you're
28. "Lol, yall cats are hilarious. I'm interested in portrayals of Black ppl..." In response to Reply # 25
our society. Why? Because that creates and informs stereotypes. I watched the video because it's on my timeline. I shared it because he said made some unique points. Gay ppl don't "distress" me. You seem more distressed that I shared the video than anything.
32. "you've also expressed anti-gay sentiment" In response to Reply # 28
and are as prone to trolling as anyone who posts here so your motive in posting this is being examined. especially considering you have been a bit dodgy when asked what this post is about.
33. "What anti-gay sentiment have I expressed? I'll wait." In response to Reply # 32 Wed Mar-25-15 11:59 AM by Boogie Stimuli
The post about a video on facebook. The video on facebook is about Black representation in media, what it consists of in his view (ratchetness and homosexuality). I thought that part was self-explanatory. My bad.
Joe Corn Mo Member since Aug 29th 2010 15139 posts
Wed Mar-25-15 12:06 PM
36. "you said they can't have sex with each other. " In response to Reply # 33
that's pretty anti-gay. it's in the same ball park as saying they can't love each other.
it's pretty weird.
>The post about a video on facebook. The video on facebook is >about Black representation >in media, what it consists of in his view (ratchetness and >homosexuality). I thought >that part was self-explanatory. My bad.
it's self explanatory if you are in the habit of internalizing artistic criticism about art you have never seen.
43. "Oh, you mean I said penis in vagina is the only biological sex." In response to Reply # 36
That post wasn't about gay ppl.
>that's pretty anti-gay. >it's in the same ball park as saying they can't love each >other.
That's not anti-gay at all, and that's VERY far from saying two ppl can't love each other. It's not even on the same coin.
How I define sex has no bearing on how I feel about you as a gay or bi person. You seem to want that to be the case so that you can feel persecuted tho.
Joe Corn Mo Member since Aug 29th 2010 15139 posts
Wed Mar-25-15 12:29 PM
47. "i didn't ask "where babies come from," i asked "what is sex?"" In response to Reply # 43
then you jumped to a lecture about how two men can't make a baby together.
as if that is what defines what sex is.
i can't take ppl that post about tv shows they haven't watched seriously.
especially when the videos they post come from Facebook.
facebook, lol.
anyway, good luck in your crusade against the ghey.
take the last word here.
idiot.
>That post wasn't about gay ppl. > >>that's pretty anti-gay. >>it's in the same ball park as saying they can't love each >>other. > >That's not anti-gay at all, and that's VERY far from saying >two ppl can't love each other. >It's not even on the same coin. > >How I define sex has no bearing on how I feel about you as a >gay or bi person. >You seem to want that to be the case so that you can feel >persecuted tho. >
>then you jumped to a lecture about how >two men can't make a baby together.
Except, there was no such lecture there. You interpreted it that way, because you sleep with men. Which is fine with me, but you gotta admit you saw everything I said through those lenses.
So it wasn't me who brought up homosexuality. It was you who infused that line of thinking into everything I said and then projected it onto me.
45. "True. So that means I said alotta things that PEOPLE do isn't sex." In response to Reply # 42
you're making it about gay people, specifically.
>i didn't even mention gay ppl in that post >until you brought it up.
Here you go creating a narrative to fit the persecution you desire. I didn't bring up homosexuality in the post.
All the rest of this "why u always bring up the ghey huh?" stuff is more of you wanting to catch me in trap that doesn't exist. Hell name another time I've "brought up the ghey". Doesn't exist, lol. You really want it to though.
Joe Corn Mo Member since Aug 29th 2010 15139 posts
Wed Mar-25-15 12:01 PM
34. "but not interested enough to actually watch the shows w/ black ppl. " In response to Reply # 28
why would anybody take your views on this topic seriously?
how you gonna have an opinion on shit you haven't watched?
did you even go back to watch the show to see if this video is an accurate representation of empire?
or do you just believe that every video that shows up on your facebook feed is true?
do they still teach critical thinking in schools? when i was middle school, i learned about primary and seconday sources.
i learned that I should be hesitant to accept an opinion if I have not researched the original source material that informed the secondary source.
this is why i defend eminem. eminem says some reprehensible shit, but often it seems the ppl criticizing him for saying reprehensible things are reacting to what they read about eminem instead of eminem's actual art.
i laugh at the opinions of ppl that can't research their opinion before they express it.
it's a sad thing.
>our society. Why? Because that creates and informs >stereotypes.
>I watched the video because it's on my timeline. >I shared it because he said made some unique points. >Gay ppl don't "distress" me. You seem more distressed that I >shared the video than anything.
i am laughing at a guy that is agreeing with opinions he has not researched.
73. "The most popular medium of communication since speech" In response to Reply # 18
and you ask this dumb ass question?
You do know people despite how "educated" or lack of one may be the TV has a major influence on how people form opinions, biases and gain information. Its the reason someone who doesn't watch TV goes to a foreign country and has natives asking them if they sell drugs and own guns.
76. "^^^^^^^ They don't hear you tho" In response to Reply # 73
>and you ask this dumb ass question? > >You do know people despite how "educated" or lack of one may >be the TV has a major influence on how people form opinions, >biases and gain information. Its the reason someone who >doesn't watch TV goes to a foreign country and has natives >asking them if they sell drugs and own guns.
63. "why must there always be *THE* definitive consensus opinion" In response to Reply # 0
on something that by its nature - will elicit a wide variety of opinions?
I mean I get that people are all hype about the anti "new black" opinions of kanye, common, skateboard etc... but to try and marginalize or say that it is not a legitimate opinion would seem to suggest that there *is* an acceptable monolithic opinion that must always be espoused, and when anyone strays from that alleged consensus, they must be punished w/ collective outrage.
> but to try and marginalize >or say that >it is not a legitimate opinion would seem to suggest that >there *is* an acceptable >monolithic opinion that must always be espoused, and when >anyone strays >from that alleged consensus, they must be punished w/ >collective outrage. >
skateboard p is on some dumb shit. ppl not on some dumb shit are calling it out.
>Is that productive? >
we need more dumb opinions to be called dumb, not less.
ppl not on some dumb shit need to speak out against dumb shit more.
67. "I think it depends on the issue really..." In response to Reply # 63
to most, it depends on the status of the person stating the opinion.
I think people jump overboard with their responses a lot because of status too. For instance, I've seen ppl saying "Common said we should extend a hand in love" when Common actually said "I'M extending a hand in love" and didn't tell anybody to do anything. I think Common's smarter than to think that that'll work, but I also think it's good that people reminded him of the regular folks out here who didn't just win an Oscar or just experienced police brutality yesterday after kicking it with they're white friends. I ain't about calling ppl dummies and all that, but we can all stand to be told where our opinions are lacking and told when we in coon territory.
As far as an acceptable monolithic opinion, it depends on the goal or the supposed values. You can't sell crack to Black folks and then say you're about uplifting the Black community.
>I mean I get that people are all hype about the anti "new >black" opinions >of kanye, common, skateboard etc... but to try and marginalize >or say that >it is not a legitimate opinion would seem to suggest that >there *is* an acceptable >monolithic opinion that must always be espoused, and when >anyone strays >from that alleged consensus, they must be punished w/ >collective outrage. > >Is that productive? > >-->
68. "yes - this is definitely happening:" In response to Reply # 67
>I think people jump overboard with their responses a lot >because of status too. >For instance, I've seen ppl saying "Common said we should >extend a hand in love" >when Common actually said "I'M extending a hand in love" and >didn't tell anybody to >do anything.
and there's this strange attempt to lump what he said in with the idiocy of what Raven Simone has been saying, which is also a reckless journalistic attempt.
Firstly, I don't agree with the premise that black people are under-represented in pop culture. And that contention is quantifiable. In terms of 'presence in numbers'....black americans are represented in tv/films and music more than fairly based on population demographics. In popular American music....black people are heavily OVER-represented. Latinos are the demographic that is severely underrepresented in popular culture as a whole.
The goal-posts usually change when that's pointed out to people who use analogies like the napkin. 'We're not talking about actual numbers....we're talking about the nature of their representation'. That's a much more legitimate point in my mind. There's plenty of black faces in tv and movies but not enough black writers, directors and producers. So even though the numbers are proportionately representative in terms of 'presence'.....it's the WAY that black people are represented that should be the point of contention....not simply the amount of black faces. Making that distinction will make these arguments much stronger. Cause frankly....it's pretty clear that more than 12% of American music stars and tv/film stars are black. That napkin analogy is much more appropriate for the Latino population in the States.
In any case....I can't help but think he's fooling himself for not seeing a homophobic agenda in the contention that he's defending. It wouldn't be THAT difficult to come up with a percentage of black celebrities who are gay or who play gay characters in relation to hetero black actors/characters. It would surprise me if that ratio were much different than it is for white celebrities. I've read enough 'the media is trying to make black men effeminate' conspiracy theories on OKP to see that there is a homophobic agenda driving it.
On another note....I thought it was really interesting what he had to say about his privilege in side-stepping certain racial prejudices in being effeminate. People don't like copping to privileges....so when they do....I tend to listen. And what he's saying about that makes sense within parameters. In a way....I think it's honourable of him to acknowledge that because he's illuminating someone else's struggle. He's saying that masculine black men have it worse than him in certain contexts and situations.....and that at least shows a willingness to empathize with and shine a light on someone else's struggle.
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