bizarre circumstances - catastrophic for the families involved.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/25/world/europe/germanwings-crash.html

PARIS — A German jetliner on a routine flight to Düsseldorf from Barcelona, Spain, rapidly lost altitude for more than eight minutes and then crashed in the French Alps on Tuesday morning with 144 passengers and six crew members aboard, the airline said.

Prime Minister Manuel Valls of France said that no one on the plane had survived the crash.

The crash site is in a rugged part of the Alpes de Haute-Provence region of southeastern France that President François Hollande said at a news conference was very difficult to reach on the ground. The French Interior Ministry said that more than 400 police officers and rescue personnel had been sent to the area.

“As it is often the case in mountainous regions, the crash took place in a remote area unreachable by land” said Benoît Zeisser, a police captain in Digne, about 16 miles southwest of the crash site. “But we managed to quickly access the crash zone by helicopter this morning.”

Two officers from the specialized mountain police force and a doctor “all dropped onto the crash scene with cables shortly after 11 a.m.,” Captain Zeisser said. “The gendarmes were able to confirm that a crash had occurred at this particular location and that the plane was completely smashed.”

The German foreign minister, Frank-Walter Steinmeier, who flew over the crash scene on Tuesday, called the scene “a picture of horror.”

In the early evening, the French interior minister, Bernard Cazeneuve, reported that the plane’s cockpit voice recorder, one of the plane’s two “black boxes,” had been found. The device records up to two hours of the pilots’ conversations as well as other cockpit sounds, including any alarms that may have gone off during the flight.

A French official with direct knowledge of the investigation said searchers were still looking for the other black box, the flight data recorder, which keeps track of roughly 1,300 different statistics about the aircraft’s operational performance.

The aircraft, an Airbus A320, operated by Germanwings, a budget subsidiary of Lufthansa, took off from Barcelona at 10:01 a.m. The jet, Flight 9525, climbed normally to its cruising altitude of 38,000 feet but remained there for only a few minutes before beginning to descend at a high rate, the managing director of Germanwings, Thomas Winkelmann, told reporters.

When French air traffic controllers lost contact with the aircraft at about 10:53, it was flying at just 6,000 feet, Mr. Winkelmann said, and it crashed shortly afterward. Witnesses in the area of the crash site said that the terrain there rose to an elevation of more than 6,000 feet.

The wreckage was located by a French military helicopter near the town of Prads-Haute-Bléone, according to Eric Héraud, a spokesman in Paris for the aviation authority, the Direction Générale de l’Aviation Civile.

Aviation safety experts said that a steady descent of more than eight minutes, while highly unusual, may not be consistent with a sudden midair upset, such as an aerodynamic stall. In such cases, they said, they would expect a plane to fall from cruising altitude to the ground in half that time or less.

“While investigators still need to verify the data are correct, eight minutes is definitely longer, compared with the experience we have had in past cases,” said Olivier Ferrante, a former crash investigator for the French government who now advises the European Commission in Brussels. He cited the Air France flight that crashed over the Atlantic Ocean in 2009, which fell to sea level from 38,000 feet in three and a half minutes.

The early images of wreckage, showing debris in small pieces strewn over a rugged mountainside, suggested that the plane had probably struck the ground at very high speed, Mr. Ferrante said, but he cautioned that it was far too early to speculate about why.

Mr. Valls, the prime minister, told the French National Assembly on Tuesday that no hypothesis about the cause of the crash could yet be excluded, and that a judicial investigation had been opened. He said France would do everything possible to support the families of victims.

Frédéric Atger, a spokesman for Météo France, which monitors weather across the country, said that the conditions had been “particularly calm” in the area at the time of the crash.

“The visibility was good, and there were little clouds at low altitudes,” he said. “There were no convected clouds at the time of the crash, and the wind was light. There was no alarming weather. The flying conditions were usual.”

Temperatures below freezing were expected overnight, though, with a chance of snow, complicating search and recovery efforts, the French Interior Ministry said in a statement.

Mr. Hollande said that many of the people on board were German, and that none were believed to be French. King Felipe VI of Spain, who had just arrived in Paris for a state visit when the crash was reported, said that Spanish and Turkish citizens had also been on the flight, and Reuters reported that there was one Belgian.

“We must feel grief, because this is a tragedy that happened on our soil,” Mr. Hollande said. “I want to make sure that there have been no other consequences as the accident happened in a very difficult area to access, and I do not know yet if there were houses nearby. We will know in the next few hours. In the meantime, we must show support.”

Bruno Lambert, a mountain guide who lives in Chanolles, a hamlet in the Prads-Haute-Bléone municipality, said the area of the crash was sparsely populated with steep mountain terrain.

“The mountains are very hard to access — there is no road access, neither in the summer nor the winter,” he said. “The people around here live in very isolated hamlets, and at this time of year, there is almost no one.”

Sandrine Julien, an employee at the town hall in Seynes-les-Alpes, said that a command center had been set up in the town. Neither she nor her colleagues had seen or heard anything, she said, and as a result they had all been surprised when rescue operations started.

“There are four to five helicopters, and lots of police cars, firefighters and ambulances,” Ms. Julien said, adding that the crash site was at an elevation of more than 6,500 feet. “So the helicopters are doing most of the work at the moment.”

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Officials in Haltern am See, a small city near Dortmund in northwestern Germany, said that 16 10th-grade students and two teachers from a local high school, the Joseph-Königs Gymnasium, were aboard the plane. They were returning from an annual exchange with students from the Institut Giola in Llinars del Vallès, near Barcelona, the school wrote on its home page.

The French president, the German chancellor and the Spanish prime minister discussed the next steps their countries are taking after a Germanwings plane crashed in the French Alps on Tuesday. Publish Date March 24, 2015. Photo by Ian Langsdon/European Pressphoto Agency.
“This is the darkest day in the history of our city,” said Bodo Klimpel, the mayor.

He said the school closed and sent students home when the news of the crash was confirmed. He said the school would reopen on Wednesday, but instead of holding regular classes, students and teachers would gather in the auditorium to begin working through their grief.

“You can imagine that tomorrow will also be a difficult day,” Mr. Klimpel told reporters.

Hans-Josef Böing, an administrator for the city, said in a telephone interview that many parents had gone to the Düsseldorf airport to meet their children, and that psychiatrists were there to assist them.

Pere Grivé, an official in Llinars del Vallès, the Spanish town where the German students had stayed with local families, said that “everybody here is in complete shock.”

The type of aircraft that crashed, an Airbus A320 single-aisle jet, is a workhorse of many airline fleets, with more than 5,600 in service around the world. More than one billion passenger journeys were flown on jets in the A320 series — which includes a smaller version, the A319, and a stretched model, the A321 — in the last year, according to estimates by Ascend, a London-based aviation consultancy.

The safety record of the A320 series has been very good, but not completely spotless. Since entering into service in 1988, A320 aircraft have been involved in 12 fatal accidents, according to Ascend.

Heike Birlenbach, an executive from Lufthansa, told reporters at the Barcelona airport that the plane used for Flight 9525 dated from 1990 and had logged 58,000 hours of flight time. She said it was checked by technicians on Monday in Düsseldorf, without any problems.

Airbus said in a statement on Tuesday that “all efforts are now going towards assessing the situation” and that it would provde more information when it became available.

In Germany, Chancellor Angela Merkel called the crash a “terrible shock” and said: “I feel terribly sorry, because so many people died in this disaster. Our thoughts and prayers are with these people.” She said she would fly to southern France on Wednesday to meet with the authorities there.

Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy of Spain said he had spoken with Ms. Merkel and with the Spanish king, who cut short his Paris visit to return to Spain. “We are all deeply moved and will do everything we can to help the families of the victims,” Mr. Rajoy said.

Germanwings, based in Cologne, was founded in 2002 and acquired by Lufthansa in 2009. It has since grown to become Lufthansa’s main operator for domestic and short-haul European flights from cities other than the main hubs of Munich and Frankfurt. It has a fleet of around 81 planes, of which about two-thirds are Airbus A320s and A319s.

The crash was the first fatal accident involving the Lufthansa group of airlines — which also includes Austrian Airlines and Swiss — in more than two decades, and the deadliest since 1974, when a Lufthansa Boeing 747 crashed on takeoff in Nairobi, Kenya, killing 59 of the 157 passengers and crew onboard.

There had not been a major deadly crash of a jetliner on French soil since July 2000, when a Concorde crashed on takeoff in Paris, killing 113 people. >The Air France jet that crashed into the Atlantic Ocean in June 2009 killed 228 people. It had been flying from Rio de Janeiro to Paris.


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I think there's been alot of dying in the past 5 months.
Sympathy fatigue or whatever its called.

cause when the other two planes disappeared, I remember the post was 300+ on here and it stayed on the news cycle.

anyway that's alot of people.
at first i thought the news was fake because it did not make the front page.

when it disappears, we wonder where it is and what happened to it.

when it crashes, it's right there. we wonder how it crashed, but there's far less mystery than a plane that disappears.

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and very concerning given the short distance, rapid descent, and very
high rate of speed in which it made impact. an unimaginable tragedy.



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And he was trying to bust the door down to get back in. Crazy!
Was the other guy incapacitated or was the crash purposeful?

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/world/europe/germanwings-airbus-crash.html

PARIS — As officials struggled Wednesday to explain why a jet with 150 people on board crashed in relatively clear skies, an investigator said evidence from a cockpit voice recorder indicated one pilot left the cockpit before the plane’s descent and was unable to get back in.

A senior military official involved in the investigation described “very smooth, very cool” conversation between the pilots during the early part of the flight from Barcelona to Düsseldorf. Then the audio indicated that one of the pilots left the cockpit and could not re-enter.

“The guy outside is knocking lightly on the door and there is no answer,” the investigator said. “And then he hits the door stronger and no answer. There is never an answer.”

He said, “You can hear he is trying to smash the door down.”

While the audio seemed to give some insight into the circumstances leading up to the Germanwings crash, it also left many questions unanswered.

"We don’t know yet the reason why one of the guys went out,” said the official, who requested anonymity because the investigation is continuing. "But what is sure is that at the very end of the flight, the other pilot is alone and does not open the door."

The data from the voice recorder seems only to deepen the mystery surrounding the crash and provides no indication of the condition or activity of the pilot who remained in the cockpit. The descent from 38,000 feet over about 10 minutes was alarming but still gradual enough to indicate that the twin-engine Airbus A320 had not been damaged catastrophically . At no point during the descent was there any communication from the cockpit to air traffic controllers or any other signal of an emergency.

When the plane plowed into craggy mountains northeast of Nice, it was traveling with enough speed that it was all but pulverized, killing the 144 passengers and crew of six and leaving behind almost no apparent clues about what caused the crash.

The French aviation authorities have made public very little, officially, about the nature of the information that has been recovered from the audio recording, and it was not clear whether it was partial or complete. France’s Bureau of Investigations and Analyses confirmed only that human voices and other cockpit sounds had been detected and would be subjected to detailed analysis.

Asked about the new evidence revealed in the cockpit recordings, Martine del Bono, a bureau spokeswoman, declined to comment.

"Our teams continue to work on analyzing the CVR,” she said, referring to the cockpit voice recorder. "As soon as we have accurate information we intend to hold a press conference.”

Meanwhile, prosecutors in Marseille, who have been charged with a separate criminal inquiry into the crash, could not immediately be reached for comment. Brice Robin, the Marseille prosecutor, was due to meet Thursday morning with the families of the crash victims.

At the crash site, a senior official working on the investigation said, workers found the casing of the plane’s other black box, the flight data recorder, but the memory card containing data on the plane’s altitude, speed, location and condition was not inside, apparently having been thrown loose or destroyed by the impact.

The flight’s trajectory ahead of the crash also left many unanswered questions.

Rémi Jouty, the director of the French Bureau of Investigations and Analysis, said at a news conference that the plane took off at around 10 a.m. local time from Barcelona and that the last message sent from the pilot to air traffic controllers had been at 10:30 a.m., which indicated that the plane was proceeding on course.

But minutes later, the plane inexplicably began to descend, Mr. Jouty said. At 10:40 and 47 seconds, the plane reported its last radar position, at an altitude of 6,175 feet. “The radar could follow the plane until the point of impact,” he said.

Mr. Jouty said the plane slammed into a mountainside and disintegrated, scattering debris over a wide area, and making it difficult to analyze what had happened.

It often takes months or even years to determine the causes of plane crashes, but a little more than a year after the disappearance of a Malaysian airlines jetliner that has never been found, the loss of the Germanwings flight is shaping up to be particularly perplexing to investigators.

One of the main questions outstanding is why the pilots did not communicate with air traffic controllers as the plane began its unusual descent, suggesting that either the pilots or the plane’s automated systems may have been trying to maintain control of the aircraft as it lost altitude.

Among the theories that have been put forward by air safety analysts not involved in the investigation is the possibility that the pilots could have been incapacitated by a sudden event such as a fire or a drop in cabin pressure.

A senior French official involved in the investigation, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said that the lack of communication from the pilots during the plane’s descent was disturbing, and that the possibility that their silence was deliberate could not be ruled out.

“I don’t like it,” said the French official, who cautioned that his initial analysis was based on the very limited information currently available. “To me, it seems very weird: this very long descent at normal speed without any communications, though the weather was absolutely clear.”

This official said that the lack of communication suggested that the pilots might have been incapacitated as a result of an onboard failure such as a loss of cabin pressure, which could have deprived the crew members of oxygen.

While all pilots are equipped with emergency oxygen masks, the pilots would first have to be aware that a depressurization had occurred, the official said.

“If for any reason they don’t detect the problem in time, they would black out,” the official said.

“So far, we don’t have any evidence that points clearly to a technical explanation,” the official said. “So we have to consider the possibility of deliberate human responsibility.”

Mr. Jouty said it was far too early in the investigation to speculate about possible causes.

“At this moment I have no beginning of a scenario,” Mr. Jouty said. However, he said there was not yet any evidence available that would support either a theory of a depressurization or of a midair explosion

Speaking on the French radio station RTL, Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve said on Wednesday morning that terrorism was not a likely “hypothesis at the moment,” but that no theories had been definitively excluded. Mr. Cazeneuve said the size of the area over which debris was scattered suggested that the aircraft had not exploded in the air but rather had disintegrated on impact.

Lufthansa, the parent company of Germanwings, has characterized the crash as an accident. The airline has not disclosed the identities of the pilots, except to say that the captain was a 10-year veteran with more than 6,000 hours of flying time in A320s.

The French Bureau of Investigations and Analysis, which is leading the technical inquiry into the crash, sent seven investigators to the crash site on Tuesday. They have been joined by their counterparts from Germany, as well as by technical advisers from Airbus and CFM International, the manufacturer of the plane’s engines.

Speaking on Europe 1 radio, Jean-Paul Troadec, a former director of the French air accident investigation bureau, said one of the big challenges for investigators would be to protect the debris at the crash site from any inadvertent damage.

“We need to ensure that all the evidence is well preserved,” Mr. Troadec said, referring both to the pieces of the plane littered across the steep slopes as well as to the remains of the victims. The identification of the victims will most likely require matching DNA from the remains with samples from relatives.

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The recovery effort will be a laborious task, given the state of the wreckage, the difficult terrain and the fact that the crash site is so remote that it could be reached only by helicopter.

Cabin depressurization, one of the possibilities speculated about on Wednesday, has occurred before, perhaps most notably in the crash of a Cypriot passenger plane in 2005 that killed all 121 people on board as it approached Athens. In that case, Helios Airways Flight 522, a slow loss of pressure rendered both pilots and all the passengers on the Boeing 737 jet unconscious for more than three-quarters of an hour before the aircraft ran out of fuel and slammed into a wooded gorge near the Greek capital.

Investigators eventually determined that the primary cause of that crash was a series of human errors, including deficient maintenance checks on the ground and a failure by the pilots to heed emergency warning signals.

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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/24/what-happened-to-germanwings-flight-4u-9525

you encounter in the news? do you find yourself cynical of everything you encounter in the media?

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>you encounter in the news? do you find yourself cynical of
>everything you encounter in the media?

As a general principle, it's necessary to apply scrutiny - and in many cases - heightened scrutiny when it comes to consuming the news. That applies here, too.


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When stuff like this happens I don't assume there will be some kind cover up. U seem to be all about that tho

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There are numerous instances where investigations have not been
transparent and ascertainable to the general public, so it's not crazy
to question the transparency of the media in this day and age.

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b/c, yes, planes crash and are sometimes broken into relatively small pieces as a result. plenty of the material that made up the plane can be burnt up. those facts alone don't necessarily indicate there was any foul play in the form of a bomb or a missile as i inferred from the use of quotation marks in the post title.

then the post proceeded from there as i replied in kind to the snarky replies.

but yes, 150 ppl died.

fuck you.

so "planes be crashin" was a dismissive and gross over-simplification here.

> those facts alone
>don't necessarily indicate there was any foul play in the form


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Those poor Americans
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these news outlets are so willfully obtuse.

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and remained slamming on the door during the 8-minute descent into the alps.

Crazy. Was the co-pilot incapacitated? Did he/she deliberately crash into the alps? Did a hijacker enter the cockpit as the pilot was in the bathroom/somewhere outside the cockpit?

Hopefully we'll find out.

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do we know ANYTHING about them? age? experience? nationality?
not sure how accurate this source is but, if this is true,
i find it coincidental/disturbing that a pilot leaves the cockpit
for whatever reason and can't get back in.


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found it....

http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/30/travel/feat-delta-captain-lockout/

Or a memorized security code like in fancy cars/bldgs? This shouldn't be possible.

but I think a code system that changes every few hours could work.

Normal means it can be opened with a key code from the outside. Locked means it can only be opened from the inside. Obviously, it wasnt in the locked position by accident.

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without knowing much about anything really. this is where
the slight disconnect lies with me.

seriously. the prosecutor who has theorized that the crash is intentional was asked if he knows the co-pilot's religion. as if that has any bearing on anything. i was incensed by the question.

fuck you.

>the prosecutor who has theorized that the crash
>is intentional was asked if he knows the co-pilot's religion.
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fuck you.

If it turns out he is muslim, you can investigate whether he had ties to al kadea or some other terrorist organization.

If it turns out that he is not muslim, that doesn't mean that it was not an act of terrorism of course.

Why not explore all possible casuses.

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fuck you.

although i think its poor taste to ask that question.

they should not use the word terrorism until its damn near clear its terrorism imo.

thats not for the media to be determining if the pilot had links to al queida, let the professionals do that and get ur information from them, that question was ridiculous

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i think a better question would have been, "is there any speculation that this might be tied to terrorism?"

i think thats relevant.

I agree that particular queation is in very bad taste

But cmon

Journalists uncover much of the clandestine goings on of the world

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

but they are hesitating to say.

think what happened in new york after 9/11. it was a global economic meltdown.

Europe is already on very shaky ground with the euro falling in value 20% since December.

There's no reason to not just say both pilots were of European descent.

There is EVERY reason to NOT release that the pilots are Muslim or from a Muslim or even Asian country.

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No message = no terrorism. Sometimes murder/suicide is just murder/suicide.

fuck you.

that is, if i go by the dictionary definition of it. i guess i have
a problem with the word terror/terrorism and the perception of it.
apparently people were heard banging on the door and screaming in
the background, that is terror.

>No message = no terrorism. Sometimes murder/suicide is just
>murder/suicide.


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if so, yes. If not, no.

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everybody knows white men don't kill people without good reason. I mean... when has anything like that happened before? Especially not a German.