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"No post on the "completely obliterated" Germanwings flight?"


          

bizarre circumstances - catastrophic for the families involved.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/25/world/europe/germanwings-crash.html

PARIS — A German jetliner on a routine flight to Düsseldorf from Barcelona, Spain, rapidly lost altitude for more than eight minutes and then crashed in the French Alps on Tuesday morning with 144 passengers and six crew members aboard, the airline said.

Prime Minister Manuel Valls of France said that no one on the plane had survived the crash.

The crash site is in a rugged part of the Alpes de Haute-Provence region of southeastern France that President François Hollande said at a news conference was very difficult to reach on the ground. The French Interior Ministry said that more than 400 police officers and rescue personnel had been sent to the area.

“As it is often the case in mountainous regions, the crash took place in a remote area unreachable by land” said Benoît Zeisser, a police captain in Digne, about 16 miles southwest of the crash site. “But we managed to quickly access the crash zone by helicopter this morning.”

Two officers from the specialized mountain police force and a doctor “all dropped onto the crash scene with cables shortly after 11 a.m.,” Captain Zeisser said. “The gendarmes were able to confirm that a crash had occurred at this particular location and that the plane was completely smashed.”

The German foreign minister, Frank-Walter Steinmeier, who flew over the crash scene on Tuesday, called the scene “a picture of horror.”

In the early evening, the French interior minister, Bernard Cazeneuve, reported that the plane’s cockpit voice recorder, one of the plane’s two “black boxes,” had been found. The device records up to two hours of the pilots’ conversations as well as other cockpit sounds, including any alarms that may have gone off during the flight.

A French official with direct knowledge of the investigation said searchers were still looking for the other black box, the flight data recorder, which keeps track of roughly 1,300 different statistics about the aircraft’s operational performance.

The aircraft, an Airbus A320, operated by Germanwings, a budget subsidiary of Lufthansa, took off from Barcelona at 10:01 a.m. The jet, Flight 9525, climbed normally to its cruising altitude of 38,000 feet but remained there for only a few minutes before beginning to descend at a high rate, the managing director of Germanwings, Thomas Winkelmann, told reporters.

When French air traffic controllers lost contact with the aircraft at about 10:53, it was flying at just 6,000 feet, Mr. Winkelmann said, and it crashed shortly afterward. Witnesses in the area of the crash site said that the terrain there rose to an elevation of more than 6,000 feet.

The wreckage was located by a French military helicopter near the town of Prads-Haute-Bléone, according to Eric Héraud, a spokesman in Paris for the aviation authority, the Direction Générale de l’Aviation Civile.

Aviation safety experts said that a steady descent of more than eight minutes, while highly unusual, may not be consistent with a sudden midair upset, such as an aerodynamic stall. In such cases, they said, they would expect a plane to fall from cruising altitude to the ground in half that time or less.

“While investigators still need to verify the data are correct, eight minutes is definitely longer, compared with the experience we have had in past cases,” said Olivier Ferrante, a former crash investigator for the French government who now advises the European Commission in Brussels. He cited the Air France flight that crashed over the Atlantic Ocean in 2009, which fell to sea level from 38,000 feet in three and a half minutes.

The early images of wreckage, showing debris in small pieces strewn over a rugged mountainside, suggested that the plane had probably struck the ground at very high speed, Mr. Ferrante said, but he cautioned that it was far too early to speculate about why.

Mr. Valls, the prime minister, told the French National Assembly on Tuesday that no hypothesis about the cause of the crash could yet be excluded, and that a judicial investigation had been opened. He said France would do everything possible to support the families of victims.

Frédéric Atger, a spokesman for Météo France, which monitors weather across the country, said that the conditions had been “particularly calm” in the area at the time of the crash.

“The visibility was good, and there were little clouds at low altitudes,” he said. “There were no convected clouds at the time of the crash, and the wind was light. There was no alarming weather. The flying conditions were usual.”

Temperatures below freezing were expected overnight, though, with a chance of snow, complicating search and recovery efforts, the French Interior Ministry said in a statement.

Mr. Hollande said that many of the people on board were German, and that none were believed to be French. King Felipe VI of Spain, who had just arrived in Paris for a state visit when the crash was reported, said that Spanish and Turkish citizens had also been on the flight, and Reuters reported that there was one Belgian.

“We must feel grief, because this is a tragedy that happened on our soil,” Mr. Hollande said. “I want to make sure that there have been no other consequences as the accident happened in a very difficult area to access, and I do not know yet if there were houses nearby. We will know in the next few hours. In the meantime, we must show support.”

Bruno Lambert, a mountain guide who lives in Chanolles, a hamlet in the Prads-Haute-Bléone municipality, said the area of the crash was sparsely populated with steep mountain terrain.

“The mountains are very hard to access — there is no road access, neither in the summer nor the winter,” he said. “The people around here live in very isolated hamlets, and at this time of year, there is almost no one.”

Sandrine Julien, an employee at the town hall in Seynes-les-Alpes, said that a command center had been set up in the town. Neither she nor her colleagues had seen or heard anything, she said, and as a result they had all been surprised when rescue operations started.

“There are four to five helicopters, and lots of police cars, firefighters and ambulances,” Ms. Julien said, adding that the crash site was at an elevation of more than 6,500 feet. “So the helicopters are doing most of the work at the moment.”

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Officials in Haltern am See, a small city near Dortmund in northwestern Germany, said that 16 10th-grade students and two teachers from a local high school, the Joseph-Königs Gymnasium, were aboard the plane. They were returning from an annual exchange with students from the Institut Giola in Llinars del Vallès, near Barcelona, the school wrote on its home page.

The French president, the German chancellor and the Spanish prime minister discussed the next steps their countries are taking after a Germanwings plane crashed in the French Alps on Tuesday. Publish Date March 24, 2015. Photo by Ian Langsdon/European Pressphoto Agency.
“This is the darkest day in the history of our city,” said Bodo Klimpel, the mayor.

He said the school closed and sent students home when the news of the crash was confirmed. He said the school would reopen on Wednesday, but instead of holding regular classes, students and teachers would gather in the auditorium to begin working through their grief.

“You can imagine that tomorrow will also be a difficult day,” Mr. Klimpel told reporters.

Hans-Josef Böing, an administrator for the city, said in a telephone interview that many parents had gone to the Düsseldorf airport to meet their children, and that psychiatrists were there to assist them.

Pere Grivé, an official in Llinars del Vallès, the Spanish town where the German students had stayed with local families, said that “everybody here is in complete shock.”

The type of aircraft that crashed, an Airbus A320 single-aisle jet, is a workhorse of many airline fleets, with more than 5,600 in service around the world. More than one billion passenger journeys were flown on jets in the A320 series — which includes a smaller version, the A319, and a stretched model, the A321 — in the last year, according to estimates by Ascend, a London-based aviation consultancy.

The safety record of the A320 series has been very good, but not completely spotless. Since entering into service in 1988, A320 aircraft have been involved in 12 fatal accidents, according to Ascend.

Heike Birlenbach, an executive from Lufthansa, told reporters at the Barcelona airport that the plane used for Flight 9525 dated from 1990 and had logged 58,000 hours of flight time. She said it was checked by technicians on Monday in Düsseldorf, without any problems.

Airbus said in a statement on Tuesday that “all efforts are now going towards assessing the situation” and that it would provde more information when it became available.

In Germany, Chancellor Angela Merkel called the crash a “terrible shock” and said: “I feel terribly sorry, because so many people died in this disaster. Our thoughts and prayers are with these people.” She said she would fly to southern France on Wednesday to meet with the authorities there.

Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy of Spain said he had spoken with Ms. Merkel and with the Spanish king, who cut short his Paris visit to return to Spain. “We are all deeply moved and will do everything we can to help the families of the victims,” Mr. Rajoy said.

Germanwings, based in Cologne, was founded in 2002 and acquired by Lufthansa in 2009. It has since grown to become Lufthansa’s main operator for domestic and short-haul European flights from cities other than the main hubs of Munich and Frankfurt. It has a fleet of around 81 planes, of which about two-thirds are Airbus A320s and A319s.

The crash was the first fatal accident involving the Lufthansa group of airlines — which also includes Austrian Airlines and Swiss — in more than two decades, and the deadliest since 1974, when a Lufthansa Boeing 747 crashed on takeoff in Nairobi, Kenya, killing 59 of the 157 passengers and crew onboard.

There had not been a major deadly crash of a jetliner on French soil since July 2000, when a Concorde crashed on takeoff in Paris, killing 113 people. >The Air France jet that crashed into the Atlantic Ocean in June 2009 killed 228 people. It had been flying from Rio de Janeiro to Paris.


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planes be crashin.
Mar 24th 2015
1
seen. Plus, it was a Euro flight. They're white, they'll be alright.
Mar 24th 2015
2
well, no. b/c they dead.
Mar 24th 2015
3
      their privilege will survive into the afterlife.
Mar 24th 2015
4
           #realtears
Mar 24th 2015
5
           not if they checked it. Maybe if they carried it on.
Mar 24th 2015
6
           LMAO
Mar 24th 2015
7
           So they woulda survived on Spirit Airlines?
Mar 24th 2015
8
           Caught up in the clouds. Caught up in the Spirit.
Mar 24th 2015
10
           Lmao! I love you sowhat
Mar 26th 2015
59
           yes - but with Spirit privilege doesn't fly free. There's a fee.
Mar 24th 2015
12
           LOL
Mar 26th 2015
53
           OMFG LOLZ
Mar 26th 2015
79
           Well done.
Mar 27th 2015
138
           i got that privilege 2 for 10, 2 for 10
Mar 25th 2015
33
LOL at awl of this ^^^
Mar 26th 2015
60
archive.
Mar 24th 2015
9
yup
Mar 24th 2015
11
the exchange was flawless
Mar 24th 2015
16
right
Mar 24th 2015
17
      Obliterated that underwear model
Mar 27th 2015
110
This is the post on it.
Mar 24th 2015
13
It's not really popping in the real world either
Mar 24th 2015
14
a plane disappearing is more intriguing than a plane crashing
Mar 25th 2015
31
it's frightening
Mar 24th 2015
15
Apparently one pilot was locked out of the cockpit? (swipe)
Mar 25th 2015
18
pilot crashed the plane on purpose, it seems...or passed out
Mar 25th 2015
20
.
Mar 25th 2015
22
maybe a relapsing alcoholic grief-stricken over the loss of his daughter
Mar 26th 2015
100
Wild if true. hopefully we'll have a transparent investigation.
Mar 25th 2015
24
      investigator said the co-pilot set the plane on auto-descent
Mar 26th 2015
36
      serious question, do you insert conspiracy into everything
Mar 26th 2015
39
           where was conspiracy inserted?
Mar 26th 2015
66
                why wouldn't there be a transparent investigation?
Mar 26th 2015
87
                     Did we have a transparent investigation w/ Mike Brown?
Mar 26th 2015
90
damn, I know yall just funnin...but 150 people died
Mar 25th 2015
19
i was rolling my eyes at the quotes around completely obliterated.
Mar 25th 2015
21
except that there was foul play...
Mar 26th 2015
65
      foul play in the form of missiles or a bomb, i said.
Mar 26th 2015
84
           SoWhat be simplifyin'
Mar 26th 2015
85
                *finger guns*
Mar 26th 2015
86
agreed...nm
Mar 25th 2015
25
ikr
Mar 26th 2015
35
yeah, so sad
Mar 26th 2015
40
oh wait 148 people and 2 Americans
Mar 25th 2015
23
lol right..we talked about this at work.
Mar 25th 2015
26
      Inwoke up this morning like no we didnt
Mar 25th 2015
28
Now they saying the pilot wasn't in the cockpit? WTH?
Mar 25th 2015
27
they're saying the pilot was slamming on the door to get back in
Mar 25th 2015
29
where are the profiles of the pilots?
Mar 25th 2015
30
      what's really odd is that this happened recently
Mar 26th 2015
34
           Why don't they have keys?
Mar 26th 2015
37
                well, it's obvious why they don't have keys...
Mar 26th 2015
41
                they said there are 3 positions for the lock. Unlocked, Normal and Locke...
Mar 26th 2015
42
I miss the old days when planes crashed due to mechanical issues
Mar 25th 2015
32
CNN is saying it's definitely deliberate... Breaking news this morning
Mar 26th 2015
38
yup - the circumstances were quite bizarre leading to the crash
Mar 26th 2015
43
god dammit
Mar 26th 2015
46
so, they don't want to call this an act of terrorism
Mar 26th 2015
44
not until they know if the co-pilot is Muslim, of course.
Mar 26th 2015
45
smdh
Mar 26th 2015
47
it's that good ol' double speak.
Mar 26th 2015
Of course it's relevant.
Mar 26th 2015
48
k.
Mar 26th 2015
50
i agree with you for once
Mar 26th 2015
57
      :-(
Mar 26th 2015
58
           it was a terrible question mainly due to word choice
Mar 26th 2015
70
           its not for journalists to ask probing questions?
Mar 26th 2015
83
i think they already know the pilot is muslim...
Mar 26th 2015
62
      n/m
Mar 26th 2015
89
terrorism is meant to send a message
Mar 26th 2015
49
agreed.
Mar 26th 2015
51
we don't know if he had a religious or political message though
Mar 26th 2015
52
      just saying it's far to early to call this terrorism
Mar 26th 2015
55
           but it should be on the table as a possibility
Mar 26th 2015
56
depends: will it benefit the "war on terror" narrative?
Mar 26th 2015
68
Watch the media struggle with this since it doesn't fit the narrative
Mar 26th 2015
54
RE: Watch the media struggle with this since it doesn't fit the narrativ...
Mar 26th 2015
63
      and it ain't even Friday
Mar 26th 2015
67
      the coverage would be totally different if the (co) pilot was an arab
Mar 26th 2015
71
           agreed
Mar 26th 2015
72
           yup
Mar 26th 2015
95
           true that
Mar 27th 2015
112
What was really disturbing...
Mar 26th 2015
61
that's only the protocol for domestic and inbound (U.S.) flights:
Mar 26th 2015
64
more than likely if it was sabotage the co-pilot tricked the pilot
Mar 26th 2015
69
this reminds me a lot of Air France 447...
Mar 26th 2015
77
The co-pilot who locked the door is German
Mar 26th 2015
73
plenty of slavic muslims although I'm not happy with the trajectory
Mar 26th 2015
80
why are ppl so eager to label this dude terrorist vs mass murderer?
Mar 26th 2015
74
dunno
Mar 26th 2015
75
      if the other pilot was locked out of the cockpit, that suggest a deliber...
Mar 26th 2015
76
           welp
Mar 26th 2015
78
We can assume the co-pilot was probably not muslim
Mar 26th 2015
81
RE: No post on the 2 million people killed in the Iraq War
Mar 26th 2015
82
terrorism...nm
Mar 26th 2015
88
y'all going to hell for making me laugh in here
Mar 26th 2015
91
no such thing as hell, so u good....nm
Mar 26th 2015
93
      dont be in here messing up my jokes with sense!
Mar 26th 2015
99
damn, this seems like the quickest blackbox analysis/release ever
Mar 26th 2015
92
Conspiracy theory! They shot they plane down and planted that black box....
Mar 26th 2015
94
yeah, exactly...like they flew straight in and picked it up...
Mar 26th 2015
96
      the recorder sends a signal that can be used to track it.
Mar 26th 2015
97
      I'm aware...
Mar 26th 2015
102
           well, yeah.
Mar 26th 2015
103
      it wasn't like they crashed in the ocean.
Mar 26th 2015
101
alright. fuck it, I am going to go full on foil hat for a second.
Mar 26th 2015
98
This is terrible and my heart goes out to the families
Mar 26th 2015
104
it made me feel better when i read they didnt know
Mar 26th 2015
109
watching Maddow
Mar 26th 2015
105
What is this?
Mar 26th 2015
106
a pilot committing murder/suicide with a plane?
Mar 26th 2015
107
      Yep
Mar 26th 2015
108
           ive been alive the last 20 years
Mar 27th 2015
125
                RE: ive been alive the last 20 years
Mar 27th 2015
137
                     Yes she included smaller planes
Mar 27th 2015
139
                          And non murder suicides
Mar 27th 2015
146
                               Nika stated that, yes
Mar 28th 2015
148
Reminds me of something I once read
Mar 27th 2015
111
      umpfh
Mar 27th 2015
117
      i can understand that.
Mar 27th 2015
122
      me too
Mar 27th 2015
144
      im thinking dude was just diagnosed with a terminal illness
Mar 27th 2015
123
           NPR says he was sick. Medical records were found at his home
Mar 27th 2015
127
this sets a bad precedent
Mar 27th 2015
113
huh?
Mar 27th 2015
114
      chile...
Mar 27th 2015
119
      lolz
Mar 27th 2015
141
      the pilot is claiming a depressive episode caused the crash
Mar 27th 2015
128
      If the pilot was alive they would put him under the jail.
Mar 27th 2015
130
      my bad, the media is spinning it that way
Mar 27th 2015
131
      The pilot isn't claiming a thing
Mar 27th 2015
136
      lol
Mar 27th 2015
142
There is a fragility to the coverage and overall attention surrounding t...
Mar 27th 2015
115
i totally agree.
Mar 27th 2015
116
Agreed
Mar 27th 2015
118
word.
Mar 27th 2015
121
yep
Mar 27th 2015
129
RE: There is a fragility to the coverage and overall attention surroundi...
Mar 28th 2015
147
when i heard it, the first thing that came to my mind
Mar 27th 2015
120
relevant: http://imgur.com/Ag9MMOT
Mar 27th 2015
126
      yep, just like that
Mar 28th 2015
149
We will never know the truth.
Mar 27th 2015
124
have u ever seen a pilot leave the cockpit?
Mar 27th 2015
132
i've seen
Mar 27th 2015
133
Yeah. Int'l flight. Pilot was up walking around talking to folks
Mar 27th 2015
134
lol that autopilot be working like shit tho
Mar 27th 2015
140
I have
Mar 27th 2015
135
buncha times. sometimes to get a "drink"
Mar 27th 2015
143
on long distance flights, pilots will leave and go sleep...
Mar 27th 2015
145
this whole thing is amazing/disturbing
Mar 29th 2015
150
apparently dude's fiance dumped him the day before the crash
Mar 29th 2015
151

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1. "planes be crashin."
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2. "seen. Plus, it was a Euro flight. They're white, they'll be alright."
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3. "well, no. b/c they dead."
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4. "their privilege will survive into the afterlife. "
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5. "#realtears"
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here for dis.

  

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6. "not if they checked it. Maybe if they carried it on."
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7. "LMAO"
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8. "So they woulda survived on Spirit Airlines?"
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10. "Caught up in the clouds. Caught up in the Spirit."
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59. "Lmao! I love you sowhat"
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12. "yes - but with Spirit privilege doesn't fly free. There's a fee."
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79. "OMFG LOLZ"
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16. "the exchange was flawless"
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Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

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17. "right"
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lol smdh

SoWhat is the devil, lofl

  

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110. "Obliterated that underwear model"
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The irony of which shd not be lost on anyone

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13. "This is the post on it."
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https://chriswind.bandcamp.com/track/massage

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Afro-Americana/Afro-Caribbana/Afro-Latino unite. We are ALL Black!

  

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14. "It's not really popping in the real world either"
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I think there's been alot of dying in the past 5 months.
Sympathy fatigue or whatever its called.

cause when the other two planes disappeared, I remember the post was 300+ on here and it stayed on the news cycle.

anyway that's alot of people.
at first i thought the news was fake because it did not make the front page.

  

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31. "a plane disappearing is more intriguing than a plane crashing"
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when it disappears, we wonder where it is and what happened to it.

when it crashes, it's right there. we wonder how it crashed, but there's far less mystery than a plane that disappears.

*Jews you*

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15. "it's frightening"
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and very concerning given the short distance, rapid descent, and very
high rate of speed in which it made impact. an unimaginable tragedy.



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18. "Apparently one pilot was locked out of the cockpit? (swipe)"
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And he was trying to bust the door down to get back in. Crazy!
Was the other guy incapacitated or was the crash purposeful?

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/world/europe/germanwings-airbus-crash.html

PARIS — As officials struggled Wednesday to explain why a jet with 150 people on board crashed in relatively clear skies, an investigator said evidence from a cockpit voice recorder indicated one pilot left the cockpit before the plane’s descent and was unable to get back in.

A senior military official involved in the investigation described “very smooth, very cool” conversation between the pilots during the early part of the flight from Barcelona to Düsseldorf. Then the audio indicated that one of the pilots left the cockpit and could not re-enter.

“The guy outside is knocking lightly on the door and there is no answer,” the investigator said. “And then he hits the door stronger and no answer. There is never an answer.”

He said, “You can hear he is trying to smash the door down.”

While the audio seemed to give some insight into the circumstances leading up to the Germanwings crash, it also left many questions unanswered.

"We don’t know yet the reason why one of the guys went out,” said the official, who requested anonymity because the investigation is continuing. "But what is sure is that at the very end of the flight, the other pilot is alone and does not open the door."

The data from the voice recorder seems only to deepen the mystery surrounding the crash and provides no indication of the condition or activity of the pilot who remained in the cockpit. The descent from 38,000 feet over about 10 minutes was alarming but still gradual enough to indicate that the twin-engine Airbus A320 had not been damaged catastrophically . At no point during the descent was there any communication from the cockpit to air traffic controllers or any other signal of an emergency.

When the plane plowed into craggy mountains northeast of Nice, it was traveling with enough speed that it was all but pulverized, killing the 144 passengers and crew of six and leaving behind almost no apparent clues about what caused the crash.

The French aviation authorities have made public very little, officially, about the nature of the information that has been recovered from the audio recording, and it was not clear whether it was partial or complete. France’s Bureau of Investigations and Analyses confirmed only that human voices and other cockpit sounds had been detected and would be subjected to detailed analysis.

Asked about the new evidence revealed in the cockpit recordings, Martine del Bono, a bureau spokeswoman, declined to comment.

"Our teams continue to work on analyzing the CVR,” she said, referring to the cockpit voice recorder. "As soon as we have accurate information we intend to hold a press conference.”

Meanwhile, prosecutors in Marseille, who have been charged with a separate criminal inquiry into the crash, could not immediately be reached for comment. Brice Robin, the Marseille prosecutor, was due to meet Thursday morning with the families of the crash victims.

At the crash site, a senior official working on the investigation said, workers found the casing of the plane’s other black box, the flight data recorder, but the memory card containing data on the plane’s altitude, speed, location and condition was not inside, apparently having been thrown loose or destroyed by the impact.

The flight’s trajectory ahead of the crash also left many unanswered questions.

Rémi Jouty, the director of the French Bureau of Investigations and Analysis, said at a news conference that the plane took off at around 10 a.m. local time from Barcelona and that the last message sent from the pilot to air traffic controllers had been at 10:30 a.m., which indicated that the plane was proceeding on course.

But minutes later, the plane inexplicably began to descend, Mr. Jouty said. At 10:40 and 47 seconds, the plane reported its last radar position, at an altitude of 6,175 feet. “The radar could follow the plane until the point of impact,” he said.

Mr. Jouty said the plane slammed into a mountainside and disintegrated, scattering debris over a wide area, and making it difficult to analyze what had happened.

It often takes months or even years to determine the causes of plane crashes, but a little more than a year after the disappearance of a Malaysian airlines jetliner that has never been found, the loss of the Germanwings flight is shaping up to be particularly perplexing to investigators.

One of the main questions outstanding is why the pilots did not communicate with air traffic controllers as the plane began its unusual descent, suggesting that either the pilots or the plane’s automated systems may have been trying to maintain control of the aircraft as it lost altitude.

Among the theories that have been put forward by air safety analysts not involved in the investigation is the possibility that the pilots could have been incapacitated by a sudden event such as a fire or a drop in cabin pressure.

A senior French official involved in the investigation, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said that the lack of communication from the pilots during the plane’s descent was disturbing, and that the possibility that their silence was deliberate could not be ruled out.

“I don’t like it,” said the French official, who cautioned that his initial analysis was based on the very limited information currently available. “To me, it seems very weird: this very long descent at normal speed without any communications, though the weather was absolutely clear.”

This official said that the lack of communication suggested that the pilots might have been incapacitated as a result of an onboard failure such as a loss of cabin pressure, which could have deprived the crew members of oxygen.

While all pilots are equipped with emergency oxygen masks, the pilots would first have to be aware that a depressurization had occurred, the official said.

“If for any reason they don’t detect the problem in time, they would black out,” the official said.

“So far, we don’t have any evidence that points clearly to a technical explanation,” the official said. “So we have to consider the possibility of deliberate human responsibility.”

Mr. Jouty said it was far too early in the investigation to speculate about possible causes.

“At this moment I have no beginning of a scenario,” Mr. Jouty said. However, he said there was not yet any evidence available that would support either a theory of a depressurization or of a midair explosion

Speaking on the French radio station RTL, Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve said on Wednesday morning that terrorism was not a likely “hypothesis at the moment,” but that no theories had been definitively excluded. Mr. Cazeneuve said the size of the area over which debris was scattered suggested that the aircraft had not exploded in the air but rather had disintegrated on impact.

Lufthansa, the parent company of Germanwings, has characterized the crash as an accident. The airline has not disclosed the identities of the pilots, except to say that the captain was a 10-year veteran with more than 6,000 hours of flying time in A320s.

The French Bureau of Investigations and Analysis, which is leading the technical inquiry into the crash, sent seven investigators to the crash site on Tuesday. They have been joined by their counterparts from Germany, as well as by technical advisers from Airbus and CFM International, the manufacturer of the plane’s engines.

Speaking on Europe 1 radio, Jean-Paul Troadec, a former director of the French air accident investigation bureau, said one of the big challenges for investigators would be to protect the debris at the crash site from any inadvertent damage.

“We need to ensure that all the evidence is well preserved,” Mr. Troadec said, referring both to the pieces of the plane littered across the steep slopes as well as to the remains of the victims. The identification of the victims will most likely require matching DNA from the remains with samples from relatives.

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The recovery effort will be a laborious task, given the state of the wreckage, the difficult terrain and the fact that the crash site is so remote that it could be reached only by helicopter.

Cabin depressurization, one of the possibilities speculated about on Wednesday, has occurred before, perhaps most notably in the crash of a Cypriot passenger plane in 2005 that killed all 121 people on board as it approached Athens. In that case, Helios Airways Flight 522, a slow loss of pressure rendered both pilots and all the passengers on the Boeing 737 jet unconscious for more than three-quarters of an hour before the aircraft ran out of fuel and slammed into a wooded gorge near the Greek capital.

Investigators eventually determined that the primary cause of that crash was a series of human errors, including deficient maintenance checks on the ground and a failure by the pilots to heed emergency warning signals.

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20. "pilot crashed the plane on purpose, it seems...or passed out"
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it looked like Bol Bol was diving in the river - Action Bronson

  

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22. "."
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when I threw the rifle in the river,
it looked like Bol Bol was diving in the river - Action Bronson

  

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100. "maybe a relapsing alcoholic grief-stricken over the loss of his daughter"
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www.somethinginthewudder.com

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24. "Wild if true. hopefully we'll have a transparent investigation."
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36. "investigator said the co-pilot set the plane on auto-descent"
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/24/what-happened-to-germanwings-flight-4u-9525

  

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39. "serious question, do you insert conspiracy into everything"
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you encounter in the news? do you find yourself cynical of everything you encounter in the media?

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66. "where was conspiracy inserted?"
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>you encounter in the news? do you find yourself cynical of
>everything you encounter in the media?

As a general principle, it's necessary to apply scrutiny - and in many cases - heightened scrutiny when it comes to consuming the news. That applies here, too.


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87. "why wouldn't there be a transparent investigation? "
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When stuff like this happens I don't assume there will be some kind cover up. U seem to be all about that tho

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90. "Did we have a transparent investigation w/ Mike Brown?"
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There are numerous instances where investigations have not been
transparent and ascertainable to the general public, so it's not crazy
to question the transparency of the media in this day and age.

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19. "damn, I know yall just funnin...but 150 people died"
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21. "i was rolling my eyes at the quotes around completely obliterated."
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b/c, yes, planes crash and are sometimes broken into relatively small pieces as a result. plenty of the material that made up the plane can be burnt up. those facts alone don't necessarily indicate there was any foul play in the form of a bomb or a missile as i inferred from the use of quotation marks in the post title.

then the post proceeded from there as i replied in kind to the snarky replies.

but yes, 150 ppl died.

fuck you.

  

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65. "except that there was foul play..."
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so "planes be crashin" was a dismissive and gross over-simplification here.

> those facts alone
>don't necessarily indicate there was any foul play in the form


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84. "foul play in the form of missiles or a bomb, i said."
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but you keep fuckin that chicken, bro. stay woke.

fuck you.

  

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85. "SoWhat be simplifyin'"
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86. "*finger guns*"
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fuck you.

  

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25. "agreed...nm"
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35. "ikr"
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40. "yeah, so sad"
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23. "oh wait 148 people and 2 Americans "
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Those poor Americans
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26. "lol right..we talked about this at work."
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these news outlets are so willfully obtuse.

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28. "Inwoke up this morning like no we didnt"
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Lol
Yup we did
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27. "Now they saying the pilot wasn't in the cockpit? WTH?"
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"when I was growin' up if we wanted a jacuzzi we had to fart in the tub!"

  

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29. "they're saying the pilot was slamming on the door to get back in"
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and remained slamming on the door during the 8-minute descent into the alps.

Crazy. Was the co-pilot incapacitated? Did he/she deliberately crash into the alps? Did a hijacker enter the cockpit as the pilot was in the bathroom/somewhere outside the cockpit?

Hopefully we'll find out.

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30. "where are the profiles of the pilots?"
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do we know ANYTHING about them? age? experience? nationality?
not sure how accurate this source is but, if this is true,
i find it coincidental/disturbing that a pilot leaves the cockpit
for whatever reason and can't get back in.


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34. "what's really odd is that this happened recently "
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found it....

http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/30/travel/feat-delta-captain-lockout/

  

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37. "Why don't they have keys? "
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Or a memorized security code like in fancy cars/bldgs? This shouldn't be possible.

  

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41. "well, it's obvious why they don't have keys... "
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but I think a code system that changes every few hours could work.

  

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42. "they said there are 3 positions for the lock. Unlocked, Normal and Locke..."
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Normal means it can be opened with a key code from the outside. Locked means it can only be opened from the inside. Obviously, it wasnt in the locked position by accident.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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32. "I miss the old days when planes crashed due to mechanical issues"
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an engine blew or a hole in the fuselage... now it's just mysterious shit.

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38. "CNN is saying it's definitely deliberate... Breaking news this morning "
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43. "yup - the circumstances were quite bizarre leading to the crash"
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this wasn't just a mechanical issue.

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46. "god dammit"
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coworkers are talking about it now
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44. "so, they don't want to call this an act of terrorism"
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without knowing much about anything really. this is where
the slight disconnect lies with me.

  

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45. "not until they know if the co-pilot is Muslim, of course."
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seriously. the prosecutor who has theorized that the crash is intentional was asked if he knows the co-pilot's religion. as if that has any bearing on anything. i was incensed by the question.

fuck you.

  

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47. "smdh"
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>the prosecutor who has theorized that the crash
>is intentional was asked if he knows the co-pilot's religion.
>

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"it's that good ol' double speak."


  

          

fuck you.

  

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48. "Of course it's relevant. "
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If it turns out he is muslim, you can investigate whether he had ties to al kadea or some other terrorist organization.

If it turns out that he is not muslim, that doesn't mean that it was not an act of terrorism of course.

Why not explore all possible casuses.

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50. "k."
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fuck you.

  

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57. "i agree with you for once"
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although i think its poor taste to ask that question.

they should not use the word terrorism until its damn near clear its terrorism imo.

  

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58. ":-("
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thats not for the media to be determining if the pilot had links to al queida, let the professionals do that and get ur information from them, that question was ridiculous

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70. "it was a terrible question mainly due to word choice"
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i think a better question would have been, "is there any speculation that this might be tied to terrorism?"

i think thats relevant.

  

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83. "its not for journalists to ask probing questions?"
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I agree that particular queation is in very bad taste

But cmon

Journalists uncover much of the clandestine goings on of the world

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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62. "i think they already know the pilot is muslim..."
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but they are hesitating to say.

think what happened in new york after 9/11. it was a global economic meltdown.

Europe is already on very shaky ground with the euro falling in value 20% since December.

There's no reason to not just say both pilots were of European descent.

There is EVERY reason to NOT release that the pilots are Muslim or from a Muslim or even Asian country.

  

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89. "n/m"
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.

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49. "terrorism is meant to send a message"
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No message = no terrorism. Sometimes murder/suicide is just murder/suicide.

  

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51. "agreed."
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fuck you.

  

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52. "we don't know if he had a religious or political message though"
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that is, if i go by the dictionary definition of it. i guess i have
a problem with the word terror/terrorism and the perception of it.
apparently people were heard banging on the door and screaming in
the background, that is terror.

>No message = no terrorism. Sometimes murder/suicide is just
>murder/suicide.


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55. "just saying it's far to early to call this terrorism"
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56. "but it should be on the table as a possibility"
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68. "depends: will it benefit the "war on terror" narrative?"
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if so, yes. If not, no.

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54. "Watch the media struggle with this since it doesn't fit the narrative"
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everybody knows white men don't kill people without good reason. I mean... when has anything like that happened before? Especially not a German.

  

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63. "RE: Watch the media struggle with this since it doesn't fit the narrativ..."
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>everybody knows white men don't kill people without good
>reason. I mean... when has anything like that happened before?
>Especially not a German.

Oh, we're going to turn this into a black/white thing, too?

Awesome.

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67. "and it ain't even Friday"
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71. "the coverage would be totally different if the (co) pilot was an arab"
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just for example. There would be all kinds of talk about whether or not there were links to a "terror" organization

When MH370 disappeared (which still hasn't been found) there was a lot of talk about whether the pilot did it as an act of terrorism. The speculation for why he would do what he did led to terrorism without anyone even knowing what happened. To this day nobody knows what happened or what the pilot(s) did.

The one thing that white people consistently get from the media that other people don't get is the benefit of the doubt.

  

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72. "agreed"
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this terrible crash is the perfect example of it. i've heard the
narrative that the pilot may have been incapacitated or had mental
issues and THEY DON'T WANT TO CALL THIS TERRORISM. i mean, c'mon.
meanwhile, in the background, they single out/racially profile
individuals at airports.

>The one thing that white people consistently get from the
>media that other people don't get is the benefit of the doubt.
>
>
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95. "yup"
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>The one thing that white people consistently get from the
>media that other people don't get is the benefit of the doubt.
>
>
>

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112. "true that"
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>The one thing that white people consistently get from the
>media that other people don't get is the benefit of the doubt.
>
>
>

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61. "What was really disturbing..."
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was the fact that the co-pilot basically had such a limited amount of flight experience. And, he was left alone in the cockpit. I know the pilot probably had to go to the bathroom, but I thought it was protocol for no one to be left in the cockpit alone. They could have had a Flight Attendant be in there or something. The co-pilot either deliberately took the plane down. Or, he thought he would be badass and pilot the plane himself. Either way...it went all bad.

This is such a messed up situation and I pray for the families who lost love ones.

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64. "that's only the protocol for domestic and inbound (U.S.) flights:"
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>
>but I thought it was protocol for no one to be left in the
>cockpit alone. They could have had a Flight Attendant be in
>there or something.

But i'm sure all airliners will adopt this protocol after this incident.



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69. "more than likely if it was sabotage the co-pilot tricked the pilot"
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into leaving the cockpit

  

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77. "this reminds me a lot of Air France 447..."
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except that one was caused by pilot error...the Pilot of First Captain basically fought for control until the plane crashed. I called this as deliberate from go (not on some proud to be right shit), but planes just don't gradually descend unless someone makes them...or they are basically flying themselves into the ground.

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73. "The co-pilot who locked the door is German"
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I haven't heard his religion yet...

also he was heard breathing, so he was not unconscious or unconscious enough that he wasn't breathing.

his name is German (or slavic sounding) so I'm thinking he's not muslim.

  

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80. "plenty of slavic muslims although I'm not happy with the trajectory"
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this convo is taking

  

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74. "why are ppl so eager to label this dude terrorist vs mass murderer?"
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i mean i get it, but its reaching.

  

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75. "dunno"
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they are talking about breathing what if he passed out?


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76. "if the other pilot was locked out of the cockpit, that suggest a deliber..."
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78. "welp"
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81. "We can assume the co-pilot was probably not muslim"
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Because if he was, they would have LOVED to lead with that right away.
Even before it was established that he was a card-carrying terrorist.

I don't think its terrorism based on the "preferred" parameters.

Its a bizzare story. Assuming it was not mass murder, why would the co-pilot lock the door, take the plane off auto and then pass out?

  

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82. "RE: No post on the 2 million people killed in the Iraq War"
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when I see a story like this

I always wonder, why is it being covered so heavily

in comparison to other stories

not to out tragedy anybody

but if we are to be concerned with the sanctity of life lost, etc...

why does it only apply to certain examples

and not others?

these crashes are extremely rare

even though it feels like more, being how heavily the media covers them

would war continue if we had minute by minute coverage of killings?

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88. "terrorism...nm"
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91. "y'all going to hell for making me laugh in here"
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i'm already on my way to hell
i'll save y'all a seat if i get there first

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93. "no such thing as hell, so u good....nm"
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99. "dont be in here messing up my jokes with sense!"
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92. "damn, this seems like the quickest blackbox analysis/release ever"
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It aint even been 72 hours.

  

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94. "Conspiracy theory! They shot they plane down and planted that black box...."
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96. "yeah, exactly...like they flew straight in and picked it up..."
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even though the plane was in bits.

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it looked like Bol Bol was diving in the river - Action Bronson

  

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97. "the recorder sends a signal that can be used to track it."
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if investigators can locate the wreckage of a plane crash they often recover the data recorders w/o much drama.

fuck you.

  

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102. "I'm aware..."
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just from the way they said the plane hit the mountains...you wonder if the transponder even worked. They said the disk with the info from the fdr wasn't even in the box anymore. That shit is built to withstand a lot of punishment.

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103. "well, yeah."
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the equipment worked as it's designed to work.

the data recorders are designed to be located quickly in the event of a plane crash. that's what happened here.

we hear stories about them being difficult to find in certain crashes - but those become stories b/c they are aberrations. the recorders are typically located, i think. that's what is supposed to happen.

fuck you.

  

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101. "it wasn't like they crashed in the ocean. "
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the photos show an area that seems pretty easy to get to by helicopter

  

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98. "alright. fuck it, I am going to go full on foil hat for a second."
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ALL the crazy crashes/missing planes from the past year or two are connected


they know who dun it


they just want to keep shit under wraps to prevent a mega shit storm of a war


as far as who did it i have no idea, i just have a weird foil-hat-y thing that I believe they are all connected

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104. "This is terrible and my heart goes out to the families"
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"And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful." ~ 2 Tim 2:4

  

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109. "it made me feel better when i read they didnt know "
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what was happening until the very end. and they died instantly.

its sad when no suffering is your solace but its solace nonetheless.

  

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105. "watching Maddow "
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So apparently this has happened 24 times in the past 20 years
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106. "What is this? "
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107. "a pilot committing murder/suicide with a plane?"
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108. "Yep"
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125. "ive been alive the last 20 years"
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id remember

suicide by plane crash? maybe.

murder suicide doubtful

murder suicide on a commercial jet.

20 in 24 years definitely not

  

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137. "RE: ive been alive the last 20 years"
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yeah, I'm wondering if they are including smaller jets and crop dusters because I don't remember news stories involving commercial flights and suicide.

just found a link with a few that fit the description.
http://qz.com/370575/a-brief-history-of-pilots-deliberately-crashing-planes/



  

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139. "Yes she included smaller planes"
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146. "And non murder suicides "
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>
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>that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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>You cannot hate people for their own good.

  

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148. "Nika stated that, yes"
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111. "Reminds me of something I once read"
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I cant remember the book (was it a Malcolm Gladwell book?)
but there was a passage about how people have a tendency to spontaneously commit suicide if the ability to do so is present. this has nothing to do with feeling bad or sad about life but simply having the ability to pull the trigger

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117. "umpfh"
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122. "i can understand that."
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fuck you.

  

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144. "me too"
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there are times when i've had an impulse to jump out of a moving car. but then i realized i might actually survive, which would be really painful lol

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123. "im thinking dude was just diagnosed with a terminal illness"
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and was just like fuck it.

  

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127. "NPR says he was sick. Medical records were found at his home"
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Including a ripped up doctors note for the day of the flight.

They're not saying what he was sick with...

But apparently he was hiding his medical condition and treatment.

  

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113. "this sets a bad precedent"
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the next George Zimmerman or Darren Wilson can now attempt to use depression as an out. as if it wasnt already easy enough for them to get away with murdering us

  

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114. "huh?"
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119. "chile..."
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fuck you.

  

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141. "lolz"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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128. "the pilot is claiming a depressive episode caused the crash"
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this could become a thing where more black kids are murdered by racists (police or otherwise) claiming temporary insanity or some other ridiculous justification

  

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130. "If the pilot was alive they would put him under the jail. "
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He might be in the pysch ward but in the pysch ward in a criminal mental hospital.

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131. "my bad, the media is spinning it that way"
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https://www.google.com/#q=germanwings+depressed

  

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136. "The pilot isn't claiming a thing"
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Short of an actual suicide note that lays out the pilot's motivation, this is all inferences based on analysis of the pilot's life. All of this speculation may prove to be wrong ... or may never be proved conclusively one way or another.

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142. "lol"
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115. "There is a fragility to the coverage and overall attention surrounding t..."
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which is why "completely obliterated" was in parenthesis, as that was the description
most of the media outlets used to describe this plane's mysterious crashing.

As lfresh pointed out (via Maddow) - similar situations have happened (at a rate of about one a year for the past 25 years) to where pilots have had "mental aberrations" and deliberately downed their planes.

Maddow's overarching point last night was important: This was flesh and blood/human failure, and a breakdown of someone's psychological integrity. No amount of technological innovation or enhanced security implementations are going to be able to prevent all of these incidents. In fact, since 9/11 - the rate of these incidents has increased (despite the technological/security innovations designed to prevent pilot aberration).

What this does indicate is that there's a clear issue of psychological break-down taking place - yet we largely ignore how real of a problem mental illness has become. This particular co-pilot was breathing normally, not screaming about any religious fanaticism, and was cold-blooded focused, almost in a trance like state. The coverage of this - w/ the strong language ("completely obliterated", "mysterious") elicits mass fear, particularly because after 9/11 downed planes are embedded in everyone's subconscious. I believe that the aggregate media presentation of tragedies like this only exacerbates mental illness by sensationalizing these tragedies.

Similarly to how we think we can "out-tech" such pilot aberrations and plane crashes w/ increased security measures and more innovative security measures, the media furthers the military-industrial narrative which hinges upon a mentality that we can out-militarize/out-bomb, and out-tech "terrorism" - yet we only exacerbate terrorism with our disproportionate, illogical response to tragic events such as 9/11.

It's Naomi Klien's "Shock Doctrine" theory to a T - and it's why big media has such an important duty not to contribute to mind manipulation via sensationalization, a duty which they are shirking.



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116. "i totally agree."
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I believe
>that the aggregate media presentation of tragedies like this
>only exacerbates mental illness by sensationalizing these
>tragedies.

  

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118. "Agreed"
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I'm fascinated by the refusal of the airline to play into the media as well by not divulging the pilots information

A bit cocncerned as this reminds me of what Arizona is trying to do with officer shooting and actually pass a 60 day law to not reveal officers names.

I appreciate one, the first, while second freaks me out. Both though are about avoiding manipulation by press.

Double negatives comments about the opportunity to commit suicide when it presents itself is wild.
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121. "word."
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fuck you.

  

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129. "yep"
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Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

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147. "RE: There is a fragility to the coverage and overall attention surroundi..."
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> Similarly to how we think we can "out-tech" such pilot aberrations and plane crashes w/ increased security measures and more innovative security measures, the media furthers the military-industrial narrative which hinges upon a mentality that we can out-militarize/out-bomb, and out-tech "terrorism" - yet we only exacerbate terrorism with our disproportionate, illogical response to tragic events such as 9/11.

good shit

  

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120. "when i heard it, the first thing that came to my mind"
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Please dont let him be Muslim

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126. "relevant: http://imgur.com/Ag9MMOT"
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149. "yep, just like that"
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www.instagram.com/schemeofthings

  

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124. "We will never know the truth."
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~Experience is the currency of the soul.

  

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132. "have u ever seen a pilot leave the cockpit?"
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not that im about dat FIRSTCLASS LIFE

but sometimes u can still get that good look at the door

and yea, big planes, small planes, 8 hour flights, 10 hr, 13...
dont think ive ever seen the pilot walk out


are they giving a reason why it happened here?




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133. " i've seen"
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them just outside the cockpit when passengers are boarding.

i once saw a pilot go to the bathroom BEFORE take off. even when
i saw this, i was a bit wowed because i had never seen
a pilot walk towards the back of the aircraft before.

i heard that the pilot in question went to the bathroom but, not
sure if that was in the audio or just speculation.

  

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134. "Yeah. Int'l flight. Pilot was up walking around talking to folks"
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I was looking at him scared, thinking "Don't you have somewhere to be right now?"

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140. "lol that autopilot be working like shit tho"
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135. "I have"
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i have seen the pilot leave to use the bathroom, get a drink, and make an announcement... however, i have seen in less after 9/11...

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143. "buncha times. sometimes to get a "drink""
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145. "on long distance flights, pilots will leave and go sleep..."
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or stretch their legs or get a drink while the (usually 2) First Captains fly the plane.

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150. "this whole thing is amazing/disturbing"
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if these reports are true, this guy slid through and no one said
anything.

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151. "apparently dude's fiance dumped him the day before the crash"
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ugh

im not buying the depression angle.

  

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